November 13, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin lists the top Super Bowl contenders and tells you which teams are being held back by a fatal flaw
What we learned from the second CFB rankings
Guest: Joel Klatt
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. That was fun for me. Joel Clatten
five minutes, Josh McDaniel stop by live in LA. It's
The Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I've wanted
to talk to Josh and I talked him about five
minutes off the air. All sorts of good stuff, all
sorts of good stuff. I was thinking about this, Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The three teams I think today that are most likely
to win the Super Bowl for Kansas City, Detroit, and Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now Buffalo's all banged up. They may not look good.
Sweet kid, I say, do.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You say no Ravens, No.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Ravens, And you know I love the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
WHOA what's that about.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's a very good question, very good question. It's about
the difference between fatal and a blemish. My kids can
fail a test, don't flunk out of the class. That's
the difference between a blemish and a fatal flaw. You
can get a D, don't get a D in the class.
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So I'll give you an example. I think teams that
I really like all have a fatal flaw. Let's take Baltimore.
They've allowed an NFL worst forty nine plays of twenty
or more yards.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can't win a super Bowl with that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No team has ever ranked bottom three in pass defense
and won a Super Bowl, so it's a fatal flaw.
I think the forty nine ers they're atrocious on special teams,
twenty third ranked special teams. There is a They're thirty
first in special teams according to DVA, which is analytic,
and it would bore everybody. I don't think it's like
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having a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad on special teams.
As Kansas City showed to Denver. You will be exposed
by the Belichicks and Andy Reids and spags of the Packers.
Jordan Love I like him a lot. He is reckless.
That's why Josh Allen de nev a trophy, not a
lack of talent. It's reckless. Eight straight games with one
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or more picks. He leads the NFL in picks. Packers
are by the way, six to twelve in games when
he has one or more picks. Only two quarterbacks ever
won a Super Bowl after leading the league in picks,
Stafford and Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And Eli Manning won that thing by the inche Chargers.
You know, I love the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
They have limited playmakers, no Pro Bowlers among the skill
position group.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You don't need four, you gotta have one. They don't
have a numbernumber one receiver. Lad mcconkey's a solid rookie
two twenty second rate passing offense, and they rate twentieth
in big plays, meaning their only way to score is
long drives. What happens with long drives eventually turnovers and penalties.
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Eagles Nick Sirianni, I do worry against the best coaches
in good spots. Now they are the one team with
a fatal flaw. It may only be a blemish because
I love I love their roster. I think it's the
best roster in the league. But this is the third
straight season with different coordinators, so do they have that
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continuity you need in an overtime playoff game. And then
the Commanders another team I really really like. No rookie
quarterbacks ever reached the Super Bowl. I can like him,
I don't love him for the Super Bowl and Jayden Daniels.
Now let's go to the blemish teams. So those are
the fatal flaw teams that I like a lot, but
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I think there's a fatal flaw. I could be wrong
on Sirianni. People like it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Here are the blemish teams. My three favorites, the Chiefs
wide receivers. Yet since de Hap arrived, they're number one
in receptions and number four in receiving yards. So de
Hap has solved the problem. And I actually liked him
in the first couple games with Rashi Rice. Remember the
first couple games, we're like, oh, they got number one.
D Hop may not be a great one, but you
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can tell Mahomes likes him. You can tell Mahomes trusted him.
Travis Kelce, by the way, last three games, leads the
NFL thirty two catches. So what we thought was a
flaw has become a blemish. Detroit lost Aiden Hudgson the
other four no Since losing Aiden Hutchison, they have right
now the second highest graded defense, and a lot of
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that's without Aiden Hutchison. I don't always love the back end,
and I wish they had a slightly better pass rush,
but they have the best third down defense in the league,
so it's not a fatal flaw.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It is a blemish. It would be better with Aiden Hutchison.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And the Bills. I think we all acknowledge the PERI.
We don't really trust they have James Cook, we trust
the run game. We don't love their receivers, but I
think a Mari Cooper now this week, a Mari Cooper's
banged up, Keyon Coleman's banged up. But the Chiefs have
won back to back Super Bowls without having the best
receiver room in the league, and ten different Bills have
caught touchdown passes. So though they don't have a dominant one,
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they've got a ton of depth. I don't even know
if Amari Cooper's will one at this point. I think
he's a great two. He's omor on Saint Brown. Maybe
he's d hop. Jacoby Myers with the Raiders is a
great two. So and Alan, by the way, targeting his.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Receivers this year is sixty seven percent completion percentage. So
the teams I think should be favorite. I think coaching
is too good in the NFL at the highest levels.
The playoff coaches that if you have a fatal flaw,
it'll be exposed. Blemish's Chiefs, Lions Bills. That's why they're
my favorite.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And with that, the voice of college football at Fox,
Joel Klatt, is stopping by. Oh, it's an r key,
it's chaos. We've got another twelve team playoff being introduced.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I said this last year.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
George is like, we probably have the best roster we're
not getting in the playoff.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I thought that was a legitimate argument. This year, it's, well,
Georgia's got a bunch of losses, they should probably be in.
I feel like this is making the arguments fillier. Yeah,
I mean, listen, it's this is a fascinating deal. I
think it has been a huge benefit to college football,
this this playoff. I don't think that the rankings are
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as controversial because it's not as limited of an inclusion. So,
you know, in a twelve team model, I just don't
feel as bad for a bubble team and a twelve
team playoff as I do as a bubble team in
a four team playoff, right, does that make sense? Like
number five probably earned it and is like they probably
should be involved. But if you're twelve or thirteen like Georgia, So,
for instance Georgia, I think Georgia controls their own destiny.
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If they went out, they'll be fine and should be
in the playoffs. They play Tennessee, that's good, it would
be a huge win. It would be at home. They
haven't lost back to back games in the regular season
since twenty sixteen, so I expect Kirby Smart's team to
play better than what they have been playing this Saturday.
If they win and they finished ten and two, they're
going to be in the playoff. The conversation of like,
well would they go as a nine and three, I
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just don't feel as bad for them, Like if they
get left out at nine and three, it's like, well, sorry,
too bad. I don't have as much I guess grace
in my heart for that setting. I will say this
about Georgia just really quickly. The offense isn't even close
to what they have been In the last couple of
n Line they were top five in offense each of
the last two seasons their fiftieth. This year, they have
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dropped more passes than anybody in the SEC. And the
offensive line is not even close, and they're totally disconnected,
by the way. And people can blame Carson Beck all
they want, and I get it. The quarterback is always
going to get the line share of the credit and
the line share of the blame, wouldn't you agree? And
he's he is getting a lot of the blame, and
in particular because of the turnovers fourteen turnovers in his
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last six games. That's, by the way, the most turnovers
are the last six games than anybody in college football.
That has to get cleaned up. However, nothing around him
is going right. The old line is playing terrible. Yeah,
they got eaten up by old miss. The wide receivers
do not produce pictures on time, so when he's ready
to throw, the pictures are not being produced in the
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right way. It's totally disjointed right now for Kirby's offense,
and so their defense is gonna have to go win
this against Tennessee this. If they're gonna win, it's gonna
have to be a low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know, it's funny because it's tucked up in the
Pacific Northwest. I don't think most of the country you
and I follow it. I used to live there, Phil Knights.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
They got the biggest nil in the country, and they've
been dominating California recruiting. They get who they want almost
every year. They get who they want. If there's a
top defensive tackle in LA, I trust them to get
it over anybody else. They've got more of the top
end talent out of southern California than anybody over the
last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And so when I watch Oregon play, I think Texas
has the most good players. I don't think I came
into the season thinking Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State. I like
Dan Lanning. Yeah, some of this is I think they
have great players. I think they got NFL guys. I
think their speed fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, speed. They may be the fastest team in the country.
They are. I don't think that that's even in question,
to be honest. And I've talked with coaches around college football,
some that have played against Oregon, some that have just
watched Oregon. But that's that's the word that every opposing
coach or outside coach talks about. Speed. They say it's everywhere.
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It is everywhere. It's not just man, their wide receivers
are fast. It's not just hey, their running backs are fast.
It's not just say their second level on defense is fast,
or their defensive ends are fast, or their their secondary
is fast. They have speed everywhere, and in this game
and in college, speed kills it is the name of
the game. That's what made Georgia's defense a couple of
years ago so incredible. Yes, they had power up front,
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there's no doubt, and they were able to own the
defensive line and own the line of scrimmage. But they
had speed. They could run, and that's what Oregon has.
Oregon right now is the best team in the country.
They're the most balanced, and they're getting better every single week.
Dylan Gabriel gets better every week. Yeah, and remember he's
a transfer, so it's his first year in this system.
So as he gets more comfortable, he's going to play
more efficiently, and you see that on tape. You see
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every week he gets a little bit better. If they
can just stay healthy, which has been a bit of
a question. Tess Johnson has been banged up. One of
their wide receivers, Jordan Birch, one of their great defensive
players at defensive end. He's been banged up. If they
can just be healthy, I think they're the best team
in the country. I will just say this though. I
do believe still that Ohio State is the best roster
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in the country because when you look at the entirety
of the roster for Ohio State outside of the one
game against Oregon, their defense has been totally dominant, and
that they have an offense that can be as balanced
as anybody in the country, and they can do that
in an explosive fashion, maybe more so than anybody else.
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I can't like listen. I would love to see that
rematch Ohio State and Oregon. I think it would be
a great game. I think Shador Sanders has separated himself
from the country in terms of quarterback. I mean a
year ago, we were on Quinn Yours, we were on
Carson Beck, we were I think chadur looks different and
I wouldn't be shocked if Travis Hunter wasn't the second
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or third pick. They control their destiny. YEP. When you
watch them, this is what you do. This is this
is very This is a very nice intro for a
team that you called the new fake idea of college Twell,
a few weeks ago, I didn't know. Three days later
they turned twenty one. Oh, you didn't realize. They didn't
didn't realize. I look young for the I see. I
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see what happened. When they were twenty they were almost TOWRNY.
I thought they were eighteen. They they were, but they
were towrny. Oh and now they're twenty one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Interesting, But to be a grown man twenty one, we
have facial hair. You gotta beat the Georgia's, Ohio States, Oregon.
Let's say they get in, because I do think they're
good enough to be in.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Whether they get it or not. They when I watch them,
I think that their best. They're the best team in
the Big twelve. All due respect to BYU. No, this
is the top end talent like you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
With players in college football that can be the game.
Can they compete with an Ohio State Oregon? What do
your eyes tell you? No, they can't hold up at
the line of scrimmage. Their defense is vastly improved at
the line of scrimmage, and they can win up front
on the defensive side, but their offensive line would would
not hold up against Oregon, they would not hold up
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against Ohio State, they would not hold up against Georgia,
they would not hold up against Texas. All due respect,
I mean, I'm a buff. This is just like you
asked me a question. That's my honest, honest take. They
are at their best, the best team in the Big
Twelve right now. They've got the best core of wide
receivers in the Big twelve. The defense has played incredibly
well and they are disruptive. I would call them a
top two or three defense in the Big twelve right now,
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which is, by the way, and insane growth from what
we saw a year ago. An insane growth like the
way that they got after the quarterback against Texas Tech
last week was impressive. Yeah, And offensively, you know what
they're going to be able to do with their speed,
but their offensive line is still it is the biggest
issue that they have, aside from game management and the
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idea that they don't manage the clock very well and
they don't manage fourth quarter situations very well. But their
offensive line is still what they have to play around
on the offensive side, Like, for instance, this is how
good shador Is Colorado has given up. I believe it's
twenty nine sacks to this point, which is a ton
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that's one hundred and twentieth in the country. Okay, so
like near the bottom. I think there's one hundred and
thirty three right now, and so they're near the bottom.
And yet he's still this good. Yet the offense is
still this good.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'll go back to what we talked about before the season,
Colin I said. I said that, hey, I think Colorado
could win interer nine games, and you were like, wow, why,
And this is what I said verbatim. I said, they
gave up fifty two sacks last year. If they don't
even have to be great or good at protecting the quarterback,
if they just get better and they give up somewhere
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in the thirties in sacks, they're gonna win eight or
nine games. And that's exactly what's happening right now. So
are they great on the offensive line? No, But do
they play well enough. Do they run the ball enough
in order to allow Shadoor Sanders in that insanely talented
group of wide receivers to affect an impact the game
in the right way? Yes, yes they do. So now
they control their own destiny in the Big Twelve, which
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means they control their own destiny for the College Football Playoff,
which is remarkable. Guys. I mean, I'm sorry, Like, I
don't care what you think about Dion. I don't care
what you think about their style or what they do
on social media. The coaching job that Deon Sanders has
done at Colorado is remarkable and he should be on
a very short list this year for National Coach of
the Year period or or coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That So, I was thinking about this. So you know,
we look at Oregon beating Ohio State and having five
hundred yards and go, oh is it bliv And I
would argue it was scheme and speed.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think if you look.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
At Indiana play, you see scheme and speed. That's what
I see. Well coached and they got dudes that can move. Yeah,
I don't see the biggest upfront. I see scheme and speed.
Let me throw this at you, Indiana is a bad
matchup for Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
And it's not they don't have the speed of Oregon. No,
So I don't want to equate that. No, like you
bring up, but yes, they play fast, they get they
get over the top on people everybody and more specifically,
and this is what you see. There is nobody in
college football that as a group does a better job
with the back shoulder fade than Indiana, which means that
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they love of one on one matchups. What is Ohio State?
And I think their achilles heel on the defensive side
is their corners, even though they're talented guys. Igbinosen on
one side has struggled with penalties yep. And Burke on
the other side is the one that Oregon got a
few times for big plays over the top. So Indiana
is going to target next week when they play Ohio State,
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they will target those corners. And like I said, nobody
in college football, nobody throws a more consistent back shoulder
fade than Curtis Rourke at Indiana. And that's going to
be difficult for Ohio State. That's where the game is
going to be won or lost. Ohio State's gonna want
to make it everything but that, and Indiana might just
sit back and be like, well, no, here's our matchups.
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And that's what we're gonna tell you. Because you're part
of the traditional media, I'm a bit of a outlier.
You are part of the pack. Well, you're you're part
of the club. I don't get invited to the club.
I am an outsider through and through the contrarian voice
of the common man. So, if Ohio State loses a
second game, they don't get in the playoffs, Yeah, they do.
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What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If it's what if it's forty four thirty two and
this is a team that can't stop a nose lead.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They'll be ten and two with their two losses to
their two best teams they played, and two top three
teams in the country at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So but play away from losing to Penn State, you
think I'm nuts on that they lose to Oregon in
Indiana and a play away from losing to Penn State.
Penn State was in the side of the ten yard line.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Penn State. Penn State, if they went out, will be
in the top five in Ohio State one there. See,
if Georgia finishes ten and two, they're gonna have a
win at Texas. If Ohio State finishes ten and two,
they will have a win at Penn State. Like this
is that's absurd. Texas is way than this is an
absurd take and it will be run back. Ohio State
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will absolutely go to the playoff as a ten and two.
There's there's not adapt what my traditionalist inside the club
would say. No beating, beating with timeout, beating Texas be no.
Tell me, tell me, mister outside the club contrarian. Who
is Texas Georgia? Do they have a win that's even
close to as good as at Pencilla. Texas is gonna
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lose one game, that's it. They're gonna win the rest
of game. Do you know that? Well what Texas A
and m poul As an outsider, I had that that
games in college station. You don't think they're gonna be
ready to go down there. All those aggies they're gonna
be down there, is gonna be running around, They're gonna
have the yell leaders, they're gonna be they got the
band going. That's a tough place to play. You're just
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assuming Texas wins. Let's clarity, if Georgia and Ohios they'd
have two losses. My big win is crushing Texas. Yours
is slipping by crushing Texas Georgia. Listen, Georgia, that was
a great win against Texas. You scored twenty three points
on a short field, so they drove the field one
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time to score a touchdown. They needed a forty three
yard trick play to do it. This is the fiftieth
total offense in the country. You're gonna stand on the
on the stump for Georgia over Ohio State with the
way that they've played. That's crazy. That is crazy. Meanwhile,
Ohio State goes into Penn State, spots him a ten
point lead, comes back there, doesn't give up an offensive touchdown,
ends the ball game with the football in their hands
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after starting that series on the one yard line with
six minutes to go. I feel like I'm taking crazy
pills again. Haven't we do what happened? Name Texas's best win?
They're not gonna lose two games. I don't care. Name
their best win. I don't know. You don't know because
guess why there isn't Why it's Vandy, folks, that's their
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best win left. Their best win is Vanderbilt. I'm not
being facetious here, that's their best win. Finish. What is
Ohio State's best win at Penn State, which is a
top five team. But this is why.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Your argument I'm making your missing the argument. My argument
is if Indiana, which matches up well with a high state,
beats them, so let's get Texas out of it. This
is a Georgia Ohio State argument.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, and and Ohio State is going to go. Georgia
at ten and two is gonna go because that means
they will have won this week got home against Tennessee.
Those two teams are totally safe as ten and two's
totally safe. The questions then become does Tennessee get in?
Does Ole Mis get in? Does Alabama get in?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Those are the more the questions Georgia and Ohio State
as ten and two's are going to the playoff. Mark
my words, Michigan is so bad you're gonna have one win,
a narrow win over Penn State if you lose, say
a narrow win. How is Georgia's win over Texas not
a narrow win? Was literally physically took your breath away.
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It was like Texas's best on line is being manhandled.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It was physically like it was like a fistfight that
ended in the second round.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
It was like, what am I watching? Did we not
see Ole miss manhandle Georgia last week? What am I watching?
Secs a different game. Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
SEC is the best conference. I didn't say it's the
most fun to watch or has the best fans. It's
got a little more NFL field to it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's how I view it. There are more great teams
in the SEC this year. Yeah, and Georgia has had
to play a lot of them. Yeah, it's I mean,
it's brutal. Now, I'm not saying that it's not. Yeah,
I just colin Ohio State is not missing the playoff
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as a ten and two. That's craziness.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
What if it's forty four to twenty What Indiana runs
them off the field.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
One, I don't think that that's gonna happen, right, Two?
Okay they I mean Georgia just got ran off the field.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You want to spread for Ohio State Indiana?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Let me guess it. Let me guess it. I would
say out of in Columbus twelve and a half, Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Seven, Ohio State's nine and a half, big favorites.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I would take Indiana in a heart bay to cover.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm just yes to cover. I just you know, listen,
hey again, one of us is in the club.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You see what I deal with every day now, claud
are you are?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is wild?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
This is wild? Who's going? Who's who is getting included over?
Like what's the bubble discussion? You just throw out if
if Ohio State loses, they're not going to go Who's
going instead of Ohio State? As a ten and two?
Let me tell you something, Miami, you talk a job
this weekend? Maybe thy Well, who are we talking about
like Tennessee Ohio State? I don't know all the answers
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the provocateur is asking you questions, which as a traditionalist,
a member to the club, a gold card, is unwilling
to answer. You know what, when you come up, I'm
not a willing to answer. I answered everything very bluntly.
You know we would we would have like three weeks
of no arguing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well you didn't bring up just craziness the last three
week to watch Ohio State get better like Oregon? They
have They not gotten better? They how many they played?
How many teams?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
How many touchdowns has their defense given up since the
Oregon game? It's funny They've played one great offense got
run out of the building. Their defense did not. Their
team and Georgia's defense didn't get run out of the building.
Last week, Well, Lane Kiffin, Jackson Dart you got like
NFL you know, coach NFL quarterback. It's hard. It's the
level of excuses that you're giving for them down there
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is wild. I think that Ohio State has gotten much better.
They've run the football, so the six quarters. See, here's
the problem is you just don't have the data, and
I've got the data. So here's the data. The six
quarters after Josh Simmons got hurt, their starting left tackle,
they were future had running the football. They were very
good up until that point. Six quarters after he got hurt,
not very good at all. Two yards per carry, actually
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two yards per carry. Then all of a sudden, they
changed up their offensive line. They moved their all American
left guard out to left tackle, Donovan Jackson, and last
year starting center Carson Hensman moves in at left guard.
Since then, what have they done? They've run for six
and a half yards per carry, and you're telling me
that they haven't gotten any better. But that's weird because
the data suggests that they have. Just like last Tuesday, viewers,
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we've had a little debate here. You can vote.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You can vote on the side that has your back
and common sense or the crazy side.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh man, this is so good. Well, you know what
I'm I'm you know, I'm just gonna let it play out.
I mean you just said, I mean you said that
they didn't get any better. Georgia is literally getting worse.
Carson Beck leads the country in turnovers in the last
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I don't think George is great. I'm not making an excuse,
but that conference couple offs as you're in.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But that's what I said as well. I feel like
the goalposter are moving. Yeah, that's what I do here.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's what the team that lost last Tuesday said.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Is that what they said, among other things among them, Yes, okay, yeah, great, Senior,
by the way, has it today? It was good. It
was good. The first nine minutes were gold and we
were friends, and then you got off the reservation a
little and we just battled. But you know what, that
is what it should be about. They don't have to
agree on everything. Just two Americans disagreeing politely and still friends. Yes,
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very much.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I don't have a problem with that. Most of the
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Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I was looking at Russell Wilson's stats today. I
don't think people understand how good Russell look at you.
You're already down, You're already down playing it. So I
was looking at these numbers this morning on Russell Wilson.
And by the way, I'm as guilty as anybody. I
loved Russell for years and then I moved off him.
Why because both Sean Payton and Pete Carroll Hall of
Fame level coaches moved off him.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And there were just too many teammates that would say
bad things.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I'm like, I think Russ is getting into Russ
a little two into Russ, which I'm not a fan
of as a quarterback. But I was looking at this,
so Russell Wilson and Justin Fields same roster. Look at
the gap between the two, with Russell the average thirty
a game fields twenty three hundred and eighty yards to
two ninety yards per play another yard per play. So
(26:42):
I mean, by the way, twenty five points four straight weeks,
number three scoring offense. Over the last month, he has
the third highest passer rating in the league Russell Wilson
does it one to oh five. And in the fourth
quarter this year, in the fourth quarter, the money quarter,
Russ is completing almost eighty percent of his passes. So yeah,
(27:03):
I moved off him, But I got to be honest.
Sometimes you get humbled. And Albert Breer was on our
show a couple days ago, and I mean, Russell was
getting into Russ, but then this happened.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I think there was a period in Russell's career when
he was in Denver when he wanted to be something
different than that, and he's come off of it. And
I think that's a huge credit to Russell that I'm
willing now to go back to what I was in Seattle.
I'm willing to really embrace playing the way that I
was playing in Seattle. It's basically having the humility to
say I was wrong you know, and maybe the coaches
(27:38):
in Seattle who deployed me a certain way were right,
And so I think that those things have come together too.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He didn't get defensive, he didn't lash out, he didn't
poise in the locker room. Russell Wilson put his head
down and went to work. It's what he's done his
whole career. You could knock him sometimes for being too
adult that he doesn't connect with younger teammates. He's like,
I mean, like practices high fiving. I mean, he is
so committed and obsessed. But a lot of guys would
(28:07):
have bailed. He never did, never pouted, got humble. But
don't kid yourself. The numbers between Russ and justin fields
there is a massive gap, Like if you're in Vegas,
that's a ten point difference in quarterbacks. Well, they haven't
played good teams. They're playing NFL teams. And he has
been spectacular in the second half and better than spectacular
(28:29):
in the fourth quarter. And he deserves credit. And I
was a huge fan.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I kind of bailed on it, you know, all the
you know sayings and stuff, and the teammates and the coaches,
but we got to be honest about it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I's wrong. He's playing great.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I don't think they're gonna beat the Ravens. I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But his story is redeemable. And he could have easily
lashed out, got into the tank, poison a locker.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
He didn't do it. He moved off.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He was positive, optimistic, sometimes too much for people, but
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Back with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
All right, let's go to the Miami Dolphins to us back,
and the only thing that troubled everybody was what he
tried to do against the Rams making a tackle lowering
his head.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Insane.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I didn't get that.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Head coach Mike McDaniel said his quarterback needs to be
thinking about his health at all times on the field.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
He can't just think about his ability to stay healthy
when he has the ball. It's also when when you're
trying to make a tackle. And I told him not
to close his eyes next time. But yeah, I think
he could also prevent prevent that from occurring by you know,
(29:48):
avoiding throwing it to the other team, which he knows
as well.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, that was the one play in that I thought
Miami played great. Miami on third down was great. Offensively,
Miami on third down defensively was great. I thought that
the as well as Miami has played in several years.
I thought they totally I don't care what the score was.
Miami dominated that game. I thought they got off to
a good lead. I thought Tool was unbelievable on third down.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah, I think it's more about the Rams. I don't
know where they were. Where was their mind in that game? Offensively,
they couldn't do anything going and they had Kyrin and
they Luka and.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
They weren't and they weren't blitzing, and they were getting
an incredible pass rush, and they had their interior line
starters back.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I think I saw stat Stafford's been there for fifty
games and this was only the second time they didn't
score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Just weird.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
And this is not a great Miami defense. It played
great last week.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We got an They're one of the weakest pass rushes
in the league. It was relentless for three hours against
the Rams, who were missing their right tackle but had
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Very odd game.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Let's get to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Their offense is tied for third and scoring at twenty
nine points a game, but OC Joe Brady knows they'll
be in for a challenge calling plays against Chiefs defensive
coordinators Steve Spagnolo.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Here's Brady on Spags.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
He kind of makes it all look the same, whether
it's a pressure or not a pressure, or does great
job disguises, and these guys kind of fly around. Then
they play tompionlly And I think when you watch any
good defense on tape, you can just watch it on
the side with paper, you can tell and it's a
good defense.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And so it's go a great opportunity for us this week. Yeah,
I wish Buffalo was at full strength. Not an excuse,
but I think they'll struggle to move the ball. That's
my guess. Ken Cage's hurt, Bulman's hurt, Mariy Cooper's hurts.
A tough week to be banged up.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yes, this feels like a low scoring game in the
Chiefs offense is pretty anemic.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
They can't really do much. Those defense has been playing well.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I saw Matt Mulano was his window to return has
opened up. I think he had an injury in the
preseason and I don't know if he's gonna play this week,
but that would be a big get back obviously for
the Bills.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
These games are always pretty close, right Buffalo and.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Casey Matt Patrick Mahomes is an underdog.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Have you seen the.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Numbers twelve, one and one against the spread?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, I told you Kansas City's my side.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Did you put him in blazon five already?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, you're gonna lock that in. What's the number right now?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It was two and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Okay to them, let me do that. So okay, let
me do that right now. I'm gonna lock it in.
It's a Wednesday. I did this a couple of weeks ago,
and it got me a push. I'm gonna take Kansas
City minus two and a half at BUBBLEA. If it
moves to three, I get two and a half. Yeah,
it's not moving us, right, I'm just saying I'm gonna
lock it in. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
If anything, it's gonna be going to the Chiefs way.
They could end up his favorites in this game. If
Kencaid's out, you know, and Cooper's out, we know Keon
Coleman's out.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Final story, Colin is back to the NBA, though Joel
Embiid made his long away to debut last night and
it didn't look good at all, two for eleven, shooting
thirteen points in twenty six minutes. And there's Carl Anthony
Towns playing defense for the first time in his life
getting a block. It was just not good for Embiid,
(32:59):
Paul Georgia seven threes, and the kid, the young kid
from Duke the Cane looked good.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I'm in a bad place, man.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's exactly right. That's the way I to say. They're
not a bad team. They're in a bad place.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Or as the kids like to say, they're down bad.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Right now, they're down bad. Paul George out tonight.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
They got a back to back, Joel Embiid out tonight,
Maxie out tonight, and they're hosting the undefeated Calves who
were twelve to ninero. It's a rough time to be
a six or five. At least you've got Nick Siriani
though in.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Philadelpiah you got the Phillies are excellent.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Wow, they didn't make the World Series this year?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well called the Dodgers, Hello called the Mets. Hello. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
You ever, you know you don't like to pat yourself
on the back too much, so I'm not going to.
But I was looking at the playoff picture this morning.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Do you know whose numbers seven in the AFC? Denver
Vegas had them at five wins. Denver is a playoff
team this morning. Now, they're not going to be a
playoff team in a month, but they are a playoff
team this morning. More than halfway through the season, the
(34:19):
Denver Broncos are a playoff team. Colts can't figure out
the quarterback, Cincinnati couldn't stop anything Miami I like, but
they only have three wins.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Denver is a playoff team. There's one American Honisteeve Broke here.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You're the king of analogies. You know what this is
like Back when I was a young guy. You know,
you go out and to a bar with your buddies.
You meet a girl and you're like, oh my gosh,
there's something here.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I could get her number.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And then she goes to the bathroom with her friends,
which is basically what's gonna happen with the Broncos, and
comes back and she's no longer interested. I can see
the Broncos falling off a cliff here to end the season.
It's been a good run, Colin, if we can call
it the schedule, I'm sorry. There's a reason Vegas had
these guys.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
This is one of the lower wind totals on the board.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yes, it does get tougher, but I'm just I didn't
say they were going to be great. I think even
he said they were gonna win eight or nine games.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I did not see them as a playoff team. But
they have Bulls is a great tackle. I like their quarterback,
love their coach. I think Cortland Sutton's underrated. He's good,
he's good.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Cook McDuffie, but you see that on that go route.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Their tight ends are underrated and their defensive planning out
of its mind. I bow Nicks outplayed Mahome. Let's be honest,
Kansas City won. Denver outplayed them. That's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Similar to the Super Bowl, rock Prety outplayed House.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Now, Now, if the schedule's not what you make it
out to be, I'm sorry, Atlanta Raiders, Browns is not
the seventy five Steelers.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
No, but I mean we're talking about Denver, Colin. They're
They're not a jugger not they.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Can't you think any of those are automatical.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Layouts you know who also is in my Blazing five
this week, Denver against Atlanta High Altitude.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Denver off an emotional loss. The how the Bears responded
to their emotional Heil Mary loss.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
The Bears have a coach that may not know what
he's doing. Their Broncos have Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
And you think they're going to close out strong with
the Chargers, Bengals and Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
There Chargers may be resting people for the place.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Oh stop it, come on, no, no, you were right.
It's a good call by you.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm not taking a victory lap. It's just it jumped
out to me this morning during prep.
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
You know, one of the things I love about the
NFL is it's the League of Hope. OK. If you're
bad in the NBA, you got to hit on like
three or four draft picks. Even if you get a
Jalen Brown and adjacent Tatum. It's gonna take years to develop.
Everybody comes out of college now like one year, you know,
playing at Duke Kirkal or whatever. So it just takes
a long time to become the Boston Celtics. And they're
(37:07):
well run. They didn't miss Okay, see they're well run.
Takes years. Baseball about six teams have the money to compete, increasingly,
the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees. They's got more dudes
because they got more money. But in the NFL you
can be lousy. The New York Giants right now are bad.
I mean in the draft order right now, what do
they have the second draft pick? But I actually think, yeah,
(37:30):
they're like two and eight. I don't think they're that
far off. I think if they got Shadu or Sanders
and they get their great left tackle back Andrew Thomas.
I think the offense with Elik Neighbors that they hitting
another receiver. I think it's a real grown up offense.
Joe Shane said this yesterday the GM of the Giants.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
The results have not been what we wanted to be.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
Nobody want, you know, I don't want to be sitting
up here two and eight, but I do see progress
and we're better in different areas. And again we're going
to evaluate all that stuff this week, but we're better
in a lot of areas. We just got to figure
out how to finish games. And again, we're in the games.
We're not getting blown out in those games. We're one
in five in close games, and that's the league. We
have to develop the mentality that we're going to win
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and close out those games.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
You don't think shaduor Sanders and Andrew Thomas back would
change things and hitting on like one more skill person.
I mean, ask yourself this. If they move off Daniel Jones,
they have sixty million camp space. You can buy a win,
Go buy another, Go buy a number two receiver before
you have to. You don't have to pay Shaduer, Sanders
or elite neighbors for years. Go buy a really good
number one wide receiver or a great two Milik Neighbors
(38:36):
as your young one. You know what you don't want
to be. You're telling me sixty million cap space, Chadure, Sanders,
milite neighbors, an offensive coach, an excellent defensive line. You
don't think that sounds like a team that could win,
make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean, look at Washington in one year, they were laughingstock.
For a decade. They didn't have the Giants D line,
they didn't have an offensive head coach. I mean, I
like Terry McLaurin. I think neighbors is more gifted. So
I don't take you know what, you don't want to
be the other team that plays in the same stadium.
I saw a story yesterday on the Jets. League sources
say the Jets are gonna stay with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron
(39:14):
Rodgers equal stock, moving off Daniel Jones. Sixty million cap
space Shador Sanders. His hope is young, is fun? Is mobile? Is?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't think in the NFL you are a coach
or a quarterback away you don't even have to get
both of them. The Rams just got McVeigh. Now Washington
got Jayden Daniels and the coach Dan Quinn. But don't
forget they move off Daniel Jones. They're getting like sixty
mili cap space. You can go buy another great receiver
and a right tackle. All of a sudden with Shadur Sanders,
(39:47):
you got yourself a team.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, So let's say they add Shaduur.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, Okay, Malik neighbors, let's just gim T Higgins whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, let's good. They go buy tea.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah that happens.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Okay, Okay, Do they have a better roster than the
unequivocally no, do they have a better roster than Washington?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Really?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Does Washington have a left tackle?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is Washington have an offensive coach? Is by the way,
Kingsbury's offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
He's amazing coordinator. I think there's no Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Even with Shador, there's still third best in the division
at best. And that's with Dallas being a dumpster fire
right now, right Dallas is going nowhere fast.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know what, you can choose two lanes in life,
seeing sunshine glass half full or the guy who hates the.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Giant saying I'm just a giant guy.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I'm just saying, we're watching some of these young quarterbacks
like Bonnicks can play now, and Jayden Daniels can play now,
and Jaj McCarthy in the preseason look great, Like I'm sorry,
but Shador Sanders been starting a lot of college football.
That's the best quarterback by a long shot in college football.
You put him, you give him a great left tackle
an offensive coach. Go buy T Higgins, Molik neighbors, you're
(40:59):
moving the Let's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Go ask Dion what he thinks about his son in
New York. May not want it. I don't know Deon's
calling the shots. Good luck with that one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Well, he's pretty good at Colorado.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go. That was fun for me. Joel Clatten
five minutes, Josh McDaniel stop by live in LA. It's
The Herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I've wanted
to talk to Josh and I talked him about five
minutes off the air. All sorts of good stuff, all
sorts of good stuff. I was thinking about this, Jmac.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
The three teams I think today that are most likely
to win the Super Bowl for Kansas City, Detroit, and Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Now Buffalo's all banged up. They may not look good.
Sweet kid, I say, do.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
You say no Ravens, No.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Ravens, And you know I love the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
WHOA what's that about.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's a very good question, very good question. It's about
the difference between fatal and a blemish. My kids can
fail a test, don't flunk out of the class. That's
the difference between a blemish and a fatal flaw. You
can get a D, don't get a D in the class.
(01:30):
So I'll give you an example. I think teams that
I really like all have a fatal flaw. Let's take Baltimore.
They've allowed an NFL worst forty nine plays of twenty
or more yards.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You can't win a super Bowl with that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
No team has ever ranked bottom three in pass defense
and won a Super Bowl, so it's a fatal flaw.
I think the forty nine ers they're atrocious on special teams,
twenty third ranked special teams. There is a They're thirty
first in special teams according to DVA, which is analytic,
and it would bore everybody. I don't think it's like
(02:07):
having a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad on special teams.
As Kansas City showed to Denver. You will be exposed
by the Belichicks and Andy Reids and spags of the Packers.
Jordan Love I like him a lot. He is reckless.
That's why Josh Allen de nev a trophy, not a
lack of talent. It's reckless. Eight straight games with one
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or more picks. He leads the NFL in picks. Packers
are by the way, six to twelve in games when
he has one or more picks. Only two quarterbacks ever
won a Super Bowl after leading the league in picks,
Stafford and Eli Manning.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
And Eli Manning won that thing by the inche Chargers.
You know, I love the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
They have limited playmakers, no Pro Bowlers among the skill
position group.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
You don't need four, you gotta have one. They don't
have a numbernumber one receiver. Lad mcconkey's a solid rookie
two twenty second rate passing offense, and they rate twentieth
in big plays, meaning their only way to score is
long drives. What happens with long drives eventually turnovers and penalties.
(03:16):
Eagles Nick Sirianni, I do worry against the best coaches
in good spots. Now they are the one team with
a fatal flaw. It may only be a blemish because
I love I love their roster. I think it's the
best roster in the league. But this is the third
straight season with different coordinators, so do they have that
(03:36):
continuity you need in an overtime playoff game. And then
the Commanders another team I really really like. No rookie
quarterbacks ever reached the Super Bowl. I can like him,
I don't love him for the Super Bowl and Jayden Daniels.
Now let's go to the blemish teams. So those are
the fatal flaw teams that I like a lot, but
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I think there's a fatal flaw. I could be wrong
on Sirianni. People like it.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Here are the blemish teams. My three favorites, the Chiefs
wide receivers. Yet since de Hap arrived, they're number one
in receptions and number four in receiving yards. So de
Hap has solved the problem. And I actually liked him
in the first couple games with Rashi Rice. Remember the
first couple games, we're like, oh, they got number one.
D Hop may not be a great one, but you
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can tell Mahomes likes him. You can tell Mahomes trusted him.
Travis Kelce, by the way, last three games, leads the
NFL thirty two catches. So what we thought was a
flaw has become a blemish. Detroit lost Aiden Hudgson the
other four no Since losing Aiden Hutchison, they have right
now the second highest graded defense, and a lot of
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that's without Aiden Hutchison. I don't always love the back end,
and I wish they had a slightly better pass rush,
but they have the best third down defense in the league,
so it's not a fatal flaw.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
It is a blemish. It would be better with Aiden Hutchison.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And the Bills. I think we all acknowledge the PERI.
We don't really trust they have James Cook, we trust
the run game. We don't love their receivers, but I
think a Mari Cooper now this week, a Mari Cooper's
banged up, Keyon Coleman's banged up. But the Chiefs have
won back to back Super Bowls without having the best
receiver room in the league, and ten different Bills have
caught touchdown passes. So though they don't have a dominant one,
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they've got a ton of depth. I don't even know
if Amari Cooper's will one at this point. I think
he's a great two. He's omor on Saint Brown. Maybe
he's d hop. Jacoby Myers with the Raiders is a
great two. So and Alan, by the way, targeting his.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Receivers this year is sixty seven percent completion percentage. So
the teams I think should be favorite. I think coaching
is too good in the NFL at the highest levels.
The playoff coaches that if you have a fatal flaw,
it'll be exposed. Blemish's Chiefs, Lions Bills. That's why they're
my favorite.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And with that, the voice of college football at Fox,
Joel Klatt, is stopping by. Oh, it's an r key,
it's chaos. We've got another twelve team playoff being introduced.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You know, I said this last year.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
George is like, we probably have the best roster we're
not getting in the playoff.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I thought that was a legitimate argument. This year, it's, well,
Georgia's got a bunch of losses, they should probably be in.
I feel like this is making the arguments fillier. Yeah,
I mean, listen, it's this is a fascinating deal. I
think it has been a huge benefit to college football,
this this playoff. I don't think that the rankings are
(06:30):
as controversial because it's not as limited of an inclusion. So,
you know, in a twelve team model, I just don't
feel as bad for a bubble team and a twelve
team playoff as I do as a bubble team in
a four team playoff, right, does that make sense? Like
number five probably earned it and is like they probably
should be involved. But if you're twelve or thirteen like Georgia, So,
for instance Georgia, I think Georgia controls their own destiny.
(06:52):
If they went out, they'll be fine and should be
in the playoffs. They play Tennessee, that's good, it would
be a huge win. It would be at home. They
haven't lost back to back games in the regular season
since twenty sixteen, so I expect Kirby Smart's team to
play better than what they have been playing this Saturday.
If they win and they finished ten and two, they're
going to be in the playoff. The conversation of like,
well would they go as a nine and three, I
(07:15):
just don't feel as bad for them, Like if they
get left out at nine and three, it's like, well, sorry,
too bad. I don't have as much I guess grace
in my heart for that setting. I will say this
about Georgia just really quickly. The offense isn't even close
to what they have been In the last couple of
n Line they were top five in offense each of
the last two seasons their fiftieth. This year, they have
(07:38):
dropped more passes than anybody in the SEC. And the
offensive line is not even close, and they're totally disconnected,
by the way. And people can blame Carson Beck all
they want, and I get it. The quarterback is always
going to get the line share of the credit and
the line share of the blame, wouldn't you agree? And
he's he is getting a lot of the blame, and
in particular because of the turnovers fourteen turnovers in his
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last six games. That's, by the way, the most turnovers
are the last six games than anybody in college football.
That has to get cleaned up. However, nothing around him
is going right. The old line is playing terrible. Yeah,
they got eaten up by old miss. The wide receivers
do not produce pictures on time, so when he's ready
to throw, the pictures are not being produced in the
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right way. It's totally disjointed right now for Kirby's offense,
and so their defense is gonna have to go win
this against Tennessee this. If they're gonna win, it's gonna
have to be a low scoring game.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know, it's funny because it's tucked up in the
Pacific Northwest. I don't think most of the country you
and I follow it. I used to live there, Phil Knights.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
They got the biggest nil in the country, and they've
been dominating California recruiting. They get who they want almost
every year. They get who they want. If there's a
top defensive tackle in LA, I trust them to get
it over anybody else. They've got more of the top
end talent out of southern California than anybody over the
last couple of years.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
And so when I watch Oregon play, I think Texas
has the most good players. I don't think I came
into the season thinking Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State. I like
Dan Lanning. Yeah, some of this is I think they
have great players. I think they got NFL guys. I
think their speed fantastic.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, speed. They may be the fastest team in the country.
They are. I don't think that that's even in question,
to be honest. And I've talked with coaches around college football,
some that have played against Oregon, some that have just
watched Oregon. But that's that's the word that every opposing
coach or outside coach talks about. Speed. They say it's everywhere.
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It is everywhere. It's not just man, their wide receivers
are fast. It's not just hey, their running backs are fast.
It's not just say their second level on defense is fast,
or their defensive ends are fast, or their their secondary
is fast. They have speed everywhere, and in this game
and in college, speed kills it is the name of
the game. That's what made Georgia's defense a couple of
years ago so incredible. Yes, they had power up front,
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there's no doubt, and they were able to own the
defensive line and own the line of scrimmage. But they
had speed. They could run, and that's what Oregon has.
Oregon right now is the best team in the country.
They're the most balanced, and they're getting better every single week.
Dylan Gabriel gets better every week. Yeah, and remember he's
a transfer, so it's his first year in this system.
So as he gets more comfortable, he's going to play
more efficiently, and you see that on tape. You see
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every week he gets a little bit better. If they
can just stay healthy, which has been a bit of
a question. Tess Johnson has been banged up. One of
their wide receivers, Jordan Birch, one of their great defensive
players at defensive end. He's been banged up. If they
can just be healthy, I think they're the best team
in the country. I will just say this though. I
do believe still that Ohio State is the best roster
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in the country because when you look at the entirety
of the roster for Ohio State outside of the one
game against Oregon, their defense has been totally dominant, and
that they have an offense that can be as balanced
as anybody in the country, and they can do that
in an explosive fashion, maybe more so than anybody else.
(11:01):
I can't like listen. I would love to see that
rematch Ohio State and Oregon. I think it would be
a great game. I think Shador Sanders has separated himself
from the country in terms of quarterback. I mean a
year ago, we were on Quinn Yours, we were on
Carson Beck, we were I think chadur looks different and
I wouldn't be shocked if Travis Hunter wasn't the second
(11:21):
or third pick. They control their destiny. YEP. When you
watch them, this is what you do. This is this
is very This is a very nice intro for a
team that you called the new fake idea of college Twell,
a few weeks ago, I didn't know. Three days later
they turned twenty one. Oh, you didn't realize. They didn't
didn't realize. I look young for the I see. I
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see what happened. When they were twenty they were almost TOWRNY.
I thought they were eighteen. They they were, but they
were towrny. Oh and now they're twenty one.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Interesting, But to be a grown man twenty one, we
have facial hair. You gotta beat the Georgia's, Ohio States, Oregon.
Let's say they get in, because I do think they're
good enough to be in.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Whether they get it or not. They when I watch them,
I think that their best. They're the best team in
the Big twelve. All due respect to BYU. No, this
is the top end talent like you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
With players in college football that can be the game.
Can they compete with an Ohio State Oregon? What do
your eyes tell you? No, they can't hold up at
the line of scrimmage. Their defense is vastly improved at
the line of scrimmage, and they can win up front
on the defensive side, but their offensive line would would
not hold up against Oregon, they would not hold up
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against Ohio State, they would not hold up against Georgia,
they would not hold up against Texas. All due respect,
I mean, I'm a buff. This is just like you
asked me a question. That's my honest, honest take. They
are at their best, the best team in the Big
Twelve right now. They've got the best core of wide
receivers in the Big twelve. The defense has played incredibly
well and they are disruptive. I would call them a
top two or three defense in the Big twelve right now,
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which is, by the way, and insane growth from what
we saw a year ago. An insane growth like the
way that they got after the quarterback against Texas Tech
last week was impressive. Yeah, And offensively, you know what
they're going to be able to do with their speed,
but their offensive line is still it is the biggest
issue that they have, aside from game management and the
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idea that they don't manage the clock very well and
they don't manage fourth quarter situations very well. But their
offensive line is still what they have to play around
on the offensive side, Like, for instance, this is how
good shador Is Colorado has given up. I believe it's
twenty nine sacks to this point, which is a ton
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that's one hundred and twentieth in the country. Okay, so
like near the bottom. I think there's one hundred and
thirty three right now, and so they're near the bottom.
And yet he's still this good. Yet the offense is
still this good.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
I'll go back to what we talked about before the season,
Colin I said. I said that, hey, I think Colorado
could win interer nine games, and you were like, wow, why,
And this is what I said verbatim. I said, they
gave up fifty two sacks last year. If they don't
even have to be great or good at protecting the quarterback,
if they just get better and they give up somewhere
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in the thirties in sacks, they're gonna win eight or
nine games. And that's exactly what's happening right now. So
are they great on the offensive line? No, But do
they play well enough. Do they run the ball enough
in order to allow Shadoor Sanders in that insanely talented
group of wide receivers to affect an impact the game
in the right way? Yes, yes they do. So now
they control their own destiny in the Big Twelve, which
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means they control their own destiny for the College Football Playoff,
which is remarkable. Guys. I mean, I'm sorry, Like, I
don't care what you think about Dion. I don't care
what you think about their style or what they do
on social media. The coaching job that Deon Sanders has
done at Colorado is remarkable and he should be on
a very short list this year for National Coach of
the Year period or or coach of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That So, I was thinking about this. So you know,
we look at Oregon beating Ohio State and having five
hundred yards and go, oh is it bliv And I
would argue it was scheme and speed.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I think if you look.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
At Indiana play, you see scheme and speed. That's what
I see. Well coached and they got dudes that can move. Yeah,
I don't see the biggest upfront. I see scheme and speed.
Let me throw this at you, Indiana is a bad
matchup for Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
And it's not they don't have the speed of Oregon. No,
So I don't want to equate that. No, like you
bring up, but yes, they play fast, they get they
get over the top on people everybody and more specifically,
and this is what you see. There is nobody in
college football that as a group does a better job
with the back shoulder fade than Indiana, which means that
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they love of one on one matchups. What is Ohio State?
And I think their achilles heel on the defensive side
is their corners, even though they're talented guys. Igbinosen on
one side has struggled with penalties yep. And Burke on
the other side is the one that Oregon got a
few times for big plays over the top. So Indiana
is going to target next week when they play Ohio State,
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they will target those corners. And like I said, nobody
in college football, nobody throws a more consistent back shoulder
fade than Curtis Rourke at Indiana. And that's going to
be difficult for Ohio State. That's where the game is
going to be won or lost. Ohio State's gonna want
to make it everything but that, and Indiana might just
sit back and be like, well, no, here's our matchups.
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And that's what we're gonna tell you. Because you're part
of the traditional media, I'm a bit of a outlier.
You are part of the pack. Well, you're you're part
of the club. I don't get invited to the club.
I am an outsider through and through the contrarian voice
of the common man. So, if Ohio State loses a
second game, they don't get in the playoffs, Yeah, they do.
(17:04):
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
If it's what if it's forty four thirty two and
this is a team that can't stop a nose lead.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
They'll be ten and two with their two losses to
their two best teams they played, and two top three
teams in the country at that point.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So but play away from losing to Penn State, you
think I'm nuts on that they lose to Oregon in
Indiana and a play away from losing to Penn State.
Penn State was in the side of the ten yard line.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Penn State. Penn State, if they went out, will be
in the top five in Ohio State one there. See,
if Georgia finishes ten and two, they're gonna have a
win at Texas. If Ohio State finishes ten and two,
they will have a win at Penn State. Like this
is that's absurd. Texas is way than this is an
absurd take and it will be run back. Ohio State
(17:53):
will absolutely go to the playoff as a ten and two.
There's there's not adapt what my traditionalist inside the club
would say. No beating, beating with timeout, beating Texas be no.
Tell me, tell me, mister outside the club contrarian. Who
is Texas Georgia? Do they have a win that's even
close to as good as at Pencilla. Texas is gonna
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lose one game, that's it. They're gonna win the rest
of game. Do you know that? Well what Texas A
and m poul As an outsider, I had that that
games in college station. You don't think they're gonna be
ready to go down there. All those aggies they're gonna
be down there, is gonna be running around, They're gonna
have the yell leaders, they're gonna be they got the
band going. That's a tough place to play. You're just
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assuming Texas wins. Let's clarity, if Georgia and Ohios they'd
have two losses. My big win is crushing Texas. Yours
is slipping by crushing Texas Georgia. Listen, Georgia, that was
a great win against Texas. You scored twenty three points
on a short field, so they drove the field one
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time to score a touchdown. They needed a forty three
yard trick play to do it. This is the fiftieth
total offense in the country. You're gonna stand on the
on the stump for Georgia over Ohio State with the
way that they've played. That's crazy. That is crazy. Meanwhile,
Ohio State goes into Penn State, spots him a ten
point lead, comes back there, doesn't give up an offensive touchdown,
ends the ball game with the football in their hands
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after starting that series on the one yard line with
six minutes to go. I feel like I'm taking crazy
pills again. Haven't we do what happened? Name Texas's best win?
They're not gonna lose two games. I don't care. Name
their best win. I don't know. You don't know because
guess why there isn't Why it's Vandy, folks, that's their
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best win left. Their best win is Vanderbilt. I'm not
being facetious here, that's their best win. Finish. What is
Ohio State's best win at Penn State, which is a
top five team. But this is why.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Your argument I'm making your missing the argument. My argument
is if Indiana, which matches up well with a high state,
beats them, so let's get Texas out of it. This
is a Georgia Ohio State argument.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Yeah, and and Ohio State is going to go. Georgia
at ten and two is gonna go because that means
they will have won this week got home against Tennessee.
Those two teams are totally safe as ten and two's
totally safe. The questions then become does Tennessee get in?
Does Ole Mis get in? Does Alabama get in?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Those are the more the questions Georgia and Ohio State
as ten and two's are going to the playoff. Mark
my words, Michigan is so bad you're gonna have one win,
a narrow win over Penn State if you lose, say
a narrow win. How is Georgia's win over Texas not
a narrow win? Was literally physically took your breath away.
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It was like Texas's best on line is being manhandled.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
It was physically like it was like a fistfight that
ended in the second round.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
It was like, what am I watching? Did we not
see Ole miss manhandle Georgia last week? What am I watching?
Secs a different game. Oh, here we go.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
SEC is the best conference. I didn't say it's the
most fun to watch or has the best fans. It's
got a little more NFL field to it.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's how I view it. There are more great teams
in the SEC this year. Yeah, and Georgia has had
to play a lot of them. Yeah, it's I mean,
it's brutal. Now, I'm not saying that it's not. Yeah,
I just colin Ohio State is not missing the playoff
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as a ten and two. That's craziness.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
What if it's forty four to twenty What Indiana runs
them off the field.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
One, I don't think that that's gonna happen, right, Two?
Okay they I mean Georgia just got ran off the field.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
You want to spread for Ohio State Indiana?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Let me guess it. Let me guess it. I would
say out of in Columbus twelve and a half, Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Seven, Ohio State's nine and a half, big favorites.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I would take Indiana in a heart bay to cover.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I'm just yes to cover. I just you know, listen,
hey again, one of us is in the club.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
You see what I deal with every day now, claud
are you are?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
This is wild?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
This is wild? Who's going? Who's who is getting included over?
Like what's the bubble discussion? You just throw out if
if Ohio State loses, they're not going to go Who's
going instead of Ohio State? As a ten and two?
Let me tell you something, Miami, you talk a job
this weekend? Maybe thy Well, who are we talking about
like Tennessee Ohio State? I don't know all the answers
(22:43):
the provocateur is asking you questions, which as a traditionalist,
a member to the club, a gold card, is unwilling
to answer. You know what, when you come up, I'm
not a willing to answer. I answered everything very bluntly.
You know we would we would have like three weeks
of no arguing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Well you didn't bring up just craziness the last three
week to watch Ohio State get better like Oregon? They
have They not gotten better? They how many they played?
How many teams?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
How many touchdowns has their defense given up since the
Oregon game? It's funny They've played one great offense got
run out of the building. Their defense did not. Their
team and Georgia's defense didn't get run out of the building.
Last week, Well, Lane Kiffin, Jackson Dart you got like
NFL you know, coach NFL quarterback. It's hard. It's the
level of excuses that you're giving for them down there
(23:33):
is wild. I think that Ohio State has gotten much better.
They've run the football, so the six quarters. See, here's
the problem is you just don't have the data, and
I've got the data. So here's the data. The six
quarters after Josh Simmons got hurt, their starting left tackle,
they were future had running the football. They were very
good up until that point. Six quarters after he got hurt,
not very good at all. Two yards per carry, actually
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two yards per carry. Then all of a sudden, they
changed up their offensive line. They moved their all American
left guard out to left tackle, Donovan Jackson, and last
year starting center Carson Hensman moves in at left guard.
Since then, what have they done? They've run for six
and a half yards per carry, and you're telling me
that they haven't gotten any better. But that's weird because
the data suggests that they have. Just like last Tuesday, viewers,
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we've had a little debate here. You can vote.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You can vote on the side that has your back
and common sense or the crazy side.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh man, this is so good. Well, you know what
I'm I'm you know, I'm just gonna let it play out.
I mean you just said, I mean you said that
they didn't get any better. Georgia is literally getting worse.
Carson Beck leads the country in turnovers in the last
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I don't think George is great. I'm not making an excuse,
but that conference couple offs as you're in.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
But that's what I said as well. I feel like
the goalposter are moving. Yeah, that's what I do here.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
That's what the team that lost last Tuesday said.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Is that what they said, among other things among them, Yes, okay, yeah, great, Senior,
by the way, has it today? It was good. It
was good. The first nine minutes were gold and we
were friends, and then you got off the reservation a
little and we just battled. But you know what, that
is what it should be about. They don't have to
agree on everything. Just two Americans disagreeing politely and still friends. Yes,
(25:22):
very much.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
So.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I don't have a problem with that. Most of the
country does. But I don't have a problem with that.
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Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I was looking at Russell Wilson's stats today. I
don't think people understand how good Russell look at you.
You're already down, You're already down playing it. So I
was looking at these numbers this morning on Russell Wilson.
And by the way, I'm as guilty as anybody. I
loved Russell for years and then I moved off him.
Why because both Sean Payton and Pete Carroll Hall of
Fame level coaches moved off him.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And there were just too many teammates that would say
bad things.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
And I'm like, I think Russ is getting into Russ
a little two into Russ, which I'm not a fan
of as a quarterback. But I was looking at this,
so Russell Wilson and Justin Fields same roster. Look at
the gap between the two, with Russell the average thirty
a game fields twenty three hundred and eighty yards to
two ninety yards per play another yard per play. So
(26:42):
I mean, by the way, twenty five points four straight weeks,
number three scoring offense. Over the last month, he has
the third highest passer rating in the league Russell Wilson
does it one to oh five. And in the fourth
quarter this year, in the fourth quarter, the money quarter,
Russ is completing almost eighty percent of his passes. So yeah,
(27:03):
I moved off him, But I got to be honest.
Sometimes you get humbled. And Albert Breer was on our
show a couple days ago, and I mean, Russell was
getting into Russ, but then this happened.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
I think there was a period in Russell's career when
he was in Denver when he wanted to be something
different than that, and he's come off of it. And
I think that's a huge credit to Russell that I'm
willing now to go back to what I was in Seattle.
I'm willing to really embrace playing the way that I
was playing in Seattle. It's basically having the humility to
say I was wrong you know, and maybe the coaches
(27:38):
in Seattle who deployed me a certain way were right,
And so I think that those things have come together too.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
He didn't get defensive, he didn't lash out, he didn't
poise in the locker room. Russell Wilson put his head
down and went to work. It's what he's done his
whole career. You could knock him sometimes for being too
adult that he doesn't connect with younger teammates. He's like,
I mean, like practices high fiving. I mean, he is
so committed and obsessed. But a lot of guys would
(28:07):
have bailed. He never did, never pouted, got humble. But
don't kid yourself. The numbers between Russ and justin fields
there is a massive gap, Like if you're in Vegas,
that's a ten point difference in quarterbacks. Well, they haven't
played good teams. They're playing NFL teams. And he has
been spectacular in the second half and better than spectacular
(28:29):
in the fourth quarter. And he deserves credit. And I
was a huge fan.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I kind of bailed on it, you know, all the
you know sayings and stuff, and the teammates and the coaches,
but we got to be honest about it.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I's wrong. He's playing great.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I don't think they're gonna beat the Ravens. I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
But his story is redeemable. And he could have easily
lashed out, got into the tank, poison a locker.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
He didn't do it. He moved off.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
He was positive, optimistic, sometimes too much for people, but
I'm happy for him.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Back with the news.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
This is the herd line news.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
All right, let's go to the Miami Dolphins to us back,
and the only thing that troubled everybody was what he
tried to do against the Rams making a tackle lowering
his head.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Insane.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I didn't get that.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Head coach Mike McDaniel said his quarterback needs to be
thinking about his health at all times on the field.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
He can't just think about his ability to stay healthy
when he has the ball. It's also when when you're
trying to make a tackle. And I told him not
to close his eyes next time. But yeah, I think
he could also prevent prevent that from occurring by you know,
(29:48):
avoiding throwing it to the other team, which he knows
as well.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, that was the one play in that I thought
Miami played great. Miami on third down was great. Offensively,
Miami on third down defensively was great. I thought that
the as well as Miami has played in several years.
I thought they totally I don't care what the score was.
Miami dominated that game. I thought they got off to
a good lead. I thought Tool was unbelievable on third down.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
Yeah, I think it's more about the Rams. I don't
know where they were. Where was their mind in that game? Offensively,
they couldn't do anything going and they had Kyrin and
they Luka and.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
They weren't and they weren't blitzing, and they were getting
an incredible pass rush, and they had their interior line
starters back.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
I think I saw stat Stafford's been there for fifty
games and this was only the second time they didn't
score a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Just weird.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
And this is not a great Miami defense. It played
great last week.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
We got an They're one of the weakest pass rushes
in the league. It was relentless for three hours against
the Rams, who were missing their right tackle but had
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Very odd game.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Let's get to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Their offense is tied for third and scoring at twenty
nine points a game, but OC Joe Brady knows they'll
be in for a challenge calling plays against Chiefs defensive
coordinators Steve Spagnolo.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Here's Brady on Spags.
Speaker 9 (31:04):
He kind of makes it all look the same, whether
it's a pressure or not a pressure, or does great
job disguises, and these guys kind of fly around. Then
they play tompionlly And I think when you watch any
good defense on tape, you can just watch it on
the side with paper, you can tell and it's a
good defense.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
And so it's go a great opportunity for us this week. Yeah,
I wish Buffalo was at full strength. Not an excuse,
but I think they'll struggle to move the ball. That's
my guess. Ken Cage's hurt, Bulman's hurt, Mariy Cooper's hurts.
A tough week to be banged up.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yes, this feels like a low scoring game in the
Chiefs offense is pretty anemic.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
They can't really do much. Those defense has been playing well.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
I saw Matt Mulano was his window to return has
opened up. I think he had an injury in the
preseason and I don't know if he's gonna play this week,
but that would be a big get back obviously for
the Bills.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
These games are always pretty close, right Buffalo and.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
Casey Matt Patrick Mahomes is an underdog.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Have you seen the.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Numbers twelve, one and one against the spread?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Well, I told you Kansas City's my side.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Did you put him in blazon five already?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, you're gonna lock that in. What's the number right now?
Speaker 4 (32:11):
It was two and a half.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Okay to them, let me do that. So okay, let
me do that right now. I'm gonna lock it in.
It's a Wednesday. I did this a couple of weeks ago,
and it got me a push. I'm gonna take Kansas
City minus two and a half at BUBBLEA. If it
moves to three, I get two and a half. Yeah,
it's not moving us, right, I'm just saying I'm gonna
lock it in. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
If anything, it's gonna be going to the Chiefs way.
They could end up his favorites in this game. If
Kencaid's out, you know, and Cooper's out, we know Keon
Coleman's out.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Final story, Colin is back to the NBA, though Joel
Embiid made his long away to debut last night and
it didn't look good at all, two for eleven, shooting
thirteen points in twenty six minutes. And there's Carl Anthony
Towns playing defense for the first time in his life
getting a block. It was just not good for Embiid,
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Paul Georgia seven threes, and the kid, the young kid
from Duke the Cane looked good.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
I'm in a bad place, man.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
That's exactly right. That's the way I to say. They're
not a bad team. They're in a bad place.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Or as the kids like to say, they're down bad.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Right now, they're down bad. Paul George out tonight.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
They got a back to back, Joel Embiid out tonight,
Maxie out tonight, and they're hosting the undefeated Calves who
were twelve to ninero. It's a rough time to be
a six or five. At least you've got Nick Siriani
though in.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Philadelpiah you got the Phillies are excellent.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Wow, they didn't make the World Series this year?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well called the Dodgers, Hello called the Mets. Hello. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
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Speaker 3 (33:44):
You ever, you know you don't like to pat yourself
on the back too much, so I'm not going to.
But I was looking at the playoff picture this morning.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Do you know whose numbers seven in the AFC? Denver
Vegas had them at five wins. Denver is a playoff
team this morning. Now, they're not going to be a
playoff team in a month, but they are a playoff
team this morning. More than halfway through the season, the
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Denver Broncos are a playoff team. Colts can't figure out
the quarterback, Cincinnati couldn't stop anything Miami I like, but
they only have three wins.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Denver is a playoff team. There's one American Honisteeve Broke here.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
You're the king of analogies. You know what this is
like Back when I was a young guy. You know,
you go out and to a bar with your buddies.
You meet a girl and you're like, oh my gosh,
there's something here.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
I could get her number.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
And then she goes to the bathroom with her friends,
which is basically what's gonna happen with the Broncos, and
comes back and she's no longer interested. I can see
the Broncos falling off a cliff here to end the season.
It's been a good run, Colin, if we can call
it the schedule, I'm sorry. There's a reason Vegas had
these guys.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
This is one of the lower wind totals on the board.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yes, it does get tougher, but I'm just I didn't
say they were going to be great. I think even
he said they were gonna win eight or nine games.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I did not see them as a playoff team. But
they have Bulls is a great tackle. I like their quarterback,
love their coach. I think Cortland Sutton's underrated. He's good,
he's good.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Cook McDuffie, but you see that on that go route.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Their tight ends are underrated and their defensive planning out
of its mind. I bow Nicks outplayed Mahome. Let's be honest,
Kansas City won. Denver outplayed them. That's that's fair.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Similar to the Super Bowl, rock Prety outplayed House.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Now, Now, if the schedule's not what you make it
out to be, I'm sorry, Atlanta Raiders, Browns is not
the seventy five Steelers.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
No, but I mean we're talking about Denver, Colin. They're
They're not a jugger not they.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Can't you think any of those are automatical.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Layouts you know who also is in my Blazing five
this week, Denver against Atlanta High Altitude.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Denver off an emotional loss. The how the Bears responded
to their emotional Heil Mary loss.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
The Bears have a coach that may not know what
he's doing. Their Broncos have Sean Payton.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
And you think they're going to close out strong with
the Chargers, Bengals and Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
There Chargers may be resting people for the place.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Oh stop it, come on, no, no, you were right.
It's a good call by you.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
I'm not taking a victory lap. It's just it jumped
out to me this morning during prep.
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Speaker 1 (36:47):
You know, one of the things I love about the
NFL is it's the League of Hope. OK. If you're
bad in the NBA, you got to hit on like
three or four draft picks. Even if you get a
Jalen Brown and adjacent Tatum. It's gonna take years to develop.
Everybody comes out of college now like one year, you know,
playing at Duke Kirkal or whatever. So it just takes
a long time to become the Boston Celtics. And they're
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well run. They didn't miss Okay, see they're well run.
Takes years. Baseball about six teams have the money to compete, increasingly,
the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees. They's got more dudes
because they got more money. But in the NFL you
can be lousy. The New York Giants right now are bad.
I mean in the draft order right now, what do
they have the second draft pick? But I actually think, yeah,
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they're like two and eight. I don't think they're that
far off. I think if they got Shadu or Sanders
and they get their great left tackle back Andrew Thomas.
I think the offense with Elik Neighbors that they hitting
another receiver. I think it's a real grown up offense.
Joe Shane said this yesterday the GM of the Giants.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
The results have not been what we wanted to be.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
Nobody want, you know, I don't want to be sitting
up here two and eight, but I do see progress
and we're better in different areas. And again we're going
to evaluate all that stuff this week, but we're better
in a lot of areas. We just got to figure
out how to finish games. And again, we're in the games.
We're not getting blown out in those games. We're one
in five in close games, and that's the league. We
have to develop the mentality that we're going to win
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and close out those games.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
You don't think shaduor Sanders and Andrew Thomas back would
change things and hitting on like one more skill person.
I mean, ask yourself this. If they move off Daniel Jones,
they have sixty million camp space. You can buy a win,
Go buy another, Go buy a number two receiver before
you have to. You don't have to pay Shaduer, Sanders
or elite neighbors for years. Go buy a really good
number one wide receiver or a great two Milik Neighbors
(38:36):
as your young one. You know what you don't want
to be. You're telling me sixty million cap space, Chadure, Sanders,
milite neighbors, an offensive coach, an excellent defensive line. You
don't think that sounds like a team that could win,
make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
I mean, look at Washington in one year, they were laughingstock.
For a decade. They didn't have the Giants D line,
they didn't have an offensive head coach. I mean, I
like Terry McLaurin. I think neighbors is more gifted. So
I don't take you know what, you don't want to
be the other team that plays in the same stadium.
I saw a story yesterday on the Jets. League sources
say the Jets are gonna stay with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron
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Rodgers equal stock, moving off Daniel Jones. Sixty million cap
space Shador Sanders. His hope is young, is fun? Is mobile? Is?
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't think in the NFL you are a coach
or a quarterback away you don't even have to get
both of them. The Rams just got McVeigh. Now Washington
got Jayden Daniels and the coach Dan Quinn. But don't
forget they move off Daniel Jones. They're getting like sixty
mili cap space. You can go buy another great receiver
and a right tackle. All of a sudden with Shadur Sanders,
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you got yourself a team.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Okay, So let's say they add Shaduur.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Yeah, Okay, Malik neighbors, let's just gim T Higgins whatever.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, let's good. They go buy tea.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah that happens.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
Okay, Okay, Do they have a better roster than the
unequivocally no, do they have a better roster than Washington?
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Really?
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Does Washington have a left tackle?
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Like that?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Is Washington have an offensive coach? Is by the way,
Kingsbury's offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
He's amazing coordinator. I think there's no Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Even with Shador, there's still third best in the division
at best. And that's with Dallas being a dumpster fire
right now, right Dallas is going nowhere fast.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
You know what, you can choose two lanes in life,
seeing sunshine glass half full or the guy who hates the.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Giant saying I'm just a giant guy.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
I'm just saying, we're watching some of these young quarterbacks
like Bonnicks can play now, and Jayden Daniels can play now,
and Jaj McCarthy in the preseason look great, Like I'm sorry,
but Shador Sanders been starting a lot of college football.
That's the best quarterback by a long shot in college football.
You put him, you give him a great left tackle
an offensive coach. Go buy T Higgins, Molik neighbors, you're
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moving the Let's.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Go ask Dion what he thinks about his son in
New York. May not want it. I don't know Deon's
calling the shots. Good luck with that one.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Well, he's pretty good at Colorado.
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