April 29, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin talks about the stages of Aaron Rodgers as we wait to see if he will sign with the Steelers
More thoughts on the Warriors having a commanding 3-1 against the Rockets and why Draymond Green is so important to Golden State
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, our number two live in Chicago. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I can't
wait to tell Nick that I took the train to
work today. I'll want to see his reaction on that.
So I gotta start with this, Jmac. One of the
things about the draft is we find stuff out during
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and after the draft that we didn't know. So as
Shador Sanders falls in the draft, part of it is
because I kept saying, why didn't Pittsford draft it? I
would have drafted from Miles Pittsburgh. We're finding out now
looks like Art Rooney is saying he wants to come here.
We should hear any day now. So it does feel
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like part of the precipitous drop is the Giants didn't
want him. He bombed the interview and the Steelers already
had Aaron coming back, so and Tennessee was going to
get their guy. So the draft has always been such
a weird thing to cover. As mel Kiper told me
like fifteen years ago, you never get lied to in
sports more as a reporter than a month before the draft,
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and mel thought he was going first round. So it's interesting.
There have been several stages of Aaron Rodgers' career. We've
stage one, he plays for a great organization and he's
in his prime, MVP's super Bowl Trophy, consistent division winner.
Stage two was he changes coaches. He now looks like
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he's out of his prime. He's still really, really, really good,
but the last year he missed the playoffs. Stage three
is bad organization, clearly passed his prime because of an
injury he was five and twelve, And now the final
stage looks like if he signs with the Steelers, he's
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on the doorstep of retirement. He is clearly a pocket
quarterback with a big brand that's well run except for
offense and folks, that doesn't sound like a playoff team
in a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. It
doesn't feel like a playoff team. It feels eight to nine,
nine and eight. Also, he plays Burrow twice, Lamar twice,
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Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Harbaugh, Jordan Love. Also
he plays Caleb Williams and Drake May, who now have
big time coaches and much better rosters than playmakers. So
I think it's going to be an eight to nine,
nine and eight season. This is not Brady to Tampa,
where they were actually highly talented and highly productive on offense.
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Jamis through like I don't even know what it was,
thirty picks. I forgot the number. I mean Tom got
in there, and it's like he went to Tampa because
they were so good offensively. So I and let's be
honest about this. I don't think this is a shot.
Aaron's probably not the most committed offseason quarterback in the
league right now. So I think it's fine. I think
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it's interesting. Every year there's a team that's really interesting
but not really good. Last year, I thought the Chicago
Bears were fascinating up until Thanksgiving, but not very good.
I think Pittsburgh's going to be that team. They're not
going to have long winning streaks. Also the Steelers, here's
a reality of their offense. It always gets worse in December.
You ever noticed that? Why Because Mike Tomlin is mostly
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a motivational coach and that kind of runs dry by
week twelve, thirteen fourteen. Last year they were a pretty
good team and then the last five weeks they couldn't
move the ball at all with Russell Wilson. So I
think Aaron will be interesting. I don't think there'll be
a playoff team. And with that, Nick right now joining
us the host of First Things First Live from New York. Okay,
(04:01):
before we start anything, I took the train into work
this morning and I loved it. Nick, love that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, that'll last a few days and we'll be back
to car service for Uncle Colin.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I can't wait for your updates from the front of
a rugged Midwestern city.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Next week.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You're gonna be like I ate a hot dog sold
by a vendor off the street and paid cash.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It's gonna be the whole brave New World. Listen, you used.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
To be a man of the people, then a decade
in Los Angeles saw the job. So I'm glad that
Chicago what you will learn is this, as a Midwestern
kid myself, you now have the benefit of the single
best time zone to be a sports fan. Yeah, so
where a ten am football, nine am college football out
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West is a little too early, but you know one
am finishes out East a little too late. It makes
more sense in the Central time zone. You know when
the NFL starts noon and three, like it was built
for the Midwest. It's great eleven am college football. You'll
love that. The night life will be great. I'm very
excited for you. As I told you, I'm gonna come
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visit you. We'll go to Bavet's or one of those
fancy Chicago steakhouses you're buying.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's going to be great. You're now closer. I can't
wait to see you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, So I picked the Rockets to win. I thought
depth size, and I said, yes, I know, all their
best players are twenty one, twenty two. I get it.
But the Warriors players, they're all old. And I don't
know if Pods is ready. And I'm watching that game
last night and the Draymond technical and the Jimmy Butler
and Kerrs coaching, and I'm like, I should have known.
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I should have known. Doesn't it just come because if
you look at the box score, Houston did enough to win,
no question yep. But in the end I felt like
I was watching a little bit of the Wiggins Warriors.
It felt so Warriors to me. Who did you pick him?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
One up?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I picked the same as you.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I picked Rockets and seven for a lot of the
same reasons I thought. Listen, Steph has had two phenomenal games.
Game one he was outstanding, even.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Better than the box score.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Game three, with no Jimmy Butler I thought was an
all time step and Steve Kerr performance. But the Rockets
have held him in check in the other two games.
And Jimmy Butler, you know, missed a game. And there
were a lot of reasons that you thought or I
thought the Rockets could lean on them physical enough, and
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by game seven they're beat up. And listen yesterday, if
Shingoon makes that shot, maybe you and I are looking smart.
Now it's a best of three with the Rockets having
home court. But to me, the story yesterday was about
a warrior you and I have talked about a lot
on this show. It was the vintage perfect for good
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and for bad, had Draymond Green game because it was
his fourth and I say this with deep respect for
who he is as a player, even though he has
always kind of irritated me with some of the on
and off court antics. But what you saw from Draymond Green,
who yesterday hit two shots to open the game then
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did not score another point, who had five fouls, one technical,
one flagrant, and could have had nine fouls, three technicals
and two flagrants. He was the most important player on
the court. He was the connective tissue for the Warriors.
He was doing all the vintage Draymond stuff and on
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the fight alburn Shngoon yesterday. When Draymond was out of
the game, no Warrior could stop him. And when Draymond
was in the game, he wanted nothing to do with
the paint. And so when Draymond goes into the Hall
of Fame as a first ballot guy, this game is
a perfect example why it was his fourth straight triple single.
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None of the stats are impressive. He's barking, he's yelling,
he's irritating, he's almost fighting, and he is helping the
Warriors win unlike any player other than Steph Curry in
this era. And so Listen, Draymond is not a big
fan of mine. I understand that that's probably fair, but
hats off to him for last night and for once
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again proving as he said, he is a sixteen game player,
not an eighty two game player. And no one was
more valuable to the Warriors last night than Draymond Green.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So I think the Lakers are in big trouble for
a lot of reasons. And people send messages. JJ Reddick
sent a message to Rob Polinka, which is fix the roster.
But and I say this, they didn't play again until
like Wednesday, So I know JJ thought I'm going to
empty the tank. We're not playing till Wednesday. But come on,
if Lebron was in year twelve, if Luca would have
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come into the season in shape, I thought it was
a calculated risk you didn't necessarily need to take because
Minnesota is deeper and Julius Reynolds playing out of his mind.
Finally in the playoffs, I didn't love the coaching decision.
What did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You thought JJ doing something literally no coach in basketball history.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was maybe a mistake. Yeah, and listen, I think
I think JJ's been excellent.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think he deserves credit, and I think there are
there are a lot of fingerprints on this Lakers loss.
I think that a smart point that was made by
I think silver Screen and Roll, one of the Lakers blogs.
I apologize if I'm misattributing it was that the original
fingerprint on this loss was the front office's passivity before
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they got Luka Doncic in the last couple of years
of Lebron and Anthony Davis and not treating it like
it was a championship roster that needed championship role players,
and you saw the atrophy of that in this Some
of the fingerprints on this losses the Lakers, not or
JJ I should say, it's not so much about Lebron
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and Luca playing the whole second half. There's a lot
of playoff games where your two stars, even if one's
a little overweight and the others seventy thousand minutes in
at forty years old, play the whole second half. It's
that you didn't think you could get one minute from
Gabe Vincent or Jackson Hayes, Jared Vanderbilt to where Austin
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Reeves and the other guys are more fresh. So there's
that it was the fact that Lebron I think, made
a calculated decision in that fourth quarter, which was, I
only have this much energy left, and because we have
Luka Dncic, I'm saving it for the defensive end, where
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you saw some vintage all time Lebron defensive at the
end of that game. Luke will be able to take
care of the offense and he couldn't. Lebron himself a
minute left, ball in his hands up to takes a
tough three instead of, you know, using whatever energy you
had to get to the basket. All of that conspired
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to put a Lakers team that has no business being
down three to one down three to one, and Colin,
do I think they have a chance to win this series?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I do?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But do I think it actually really matters at this point?
I don't. And that's for two reasons.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
One is because this thing, their best case scenario is
it goes seven. What that means, Colin is starting tomorrow
until they are eliminated. They are every other day the
rest of the playoffs until the finals, if.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You were to get there.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
But it is it is literally on the Lakers schedule
in the month of May, it is fifteen games and
thirty days if they were to get that opportunity. You see,
they don't have the depth of the roster to handle that.
They needed this series to be quick. They needed the
Lebron thirty eight point masterpiece on Friday to be enough,
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and they needed that game a double digit lead in
the fourth quarter on Sunday to be enough. Neither was,
and now they're up against it, and even if they
get through it, all that means is they're going to
be dog tired going into round two.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I want to talk sit her Sanders because it it
really got people worked up, and I have most of
my contacts are in the NFL, so most of my
people just said, you know, listen, Dion is popular. He's
worked at major networks. Peter Schreeger mentioned this as well.
Nobody wanted to tell d On the truth, like your
son's not interviewing well and maybe he's not as good
as you think. Whatever. Dan Marino slid, Aaron Rodgers slid,
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Johnny Manzel, half the teams took him off their board.
I do think there was a lack of self awareness.
Butchering the Giant, I mean, the Giants were willing to
give up to first to get cam Ward and three
picks for Jackson Dark they wanted a quarterback and yet
should do her by the way it came out after
the fact, Yeah, he bombed the interview. So some of
it was there's a scarcity of teams to need it,
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and there weren't very many good quarterbacks after cam Moore.
There's been a lot of comparisons to a lot of people.
I think it's just people dropping the draft, and I
do think quarterbacks, me on Baker Mayfield, quarterbacks are judged differently.
If a wide receiver had a draft room that said legendary,
I wouldn't care, but a quarterback, but it phil it.
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Some of it felt cringey, and maybe that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So there's there's so much here the point you were
making out of the difference in personalities quarterback, wide receiver,
or let's take Abdua Carter. Like Abdua Carter, you know,
got in some trouble off the field. There's questions about
his motor. The moment he gets drafted, he's like, alt,
come off that fifty six buddy, and everyone's like, can
you get me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Twelve sacks a year?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
He can't.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
He's an addresser, he cares and the fact of the
matter is this. I think this was a multi front failure.
I think it was a failure. If I'm being honest
by a lot of the NFL insiders and not having
anywhere close to their finger on the pulse of what
clearly the majority of the league thought of Shador, I
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think it was.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I think Dion.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Has been the type of father that I think a
lot of fathers, myself included, aspire to be, where you
can be simultaneously friends with your kid while a hardcore
disciplinarian while involved in their lives.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I think he's been a great dad.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think this was his first miss where he clearly
let made Shador believe, because why wouldn't I trust Dion
that I am viewed as a blue Chipper and a
blue Chipper can do the thing Shador did. Chador to me,
conducted the draft process as if he knew for certain, yes,
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if I'm there at twenty one, Pittsburgh is taking me.
And therefore he appeared from the reporting to almost intentionally
turn off certain teams because he wasn't worried about the
money to go along with draft slot. So he's like, no,
I'd rather go to Pittsburgh than say New Orleans or
wherever else, and he was just flatly wrong that no
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team viewed him as a first round pick, no team
viewed him as a clear cut future starter. And then
all of a sudden you find out, Oh, I was
interviewing for the wrong job. Yeah, they were interviewing me
to be a backup. That's a very different job. Like
if I were to come to you, Colin, it's a
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different job if it's like, hey, we're interviewing someone who
when Colin's off to fill in, or're interviewing someone who's
going to produce the show, Like I need to know
what job I'm in viewing for. The backup quarterback job
is much more about personality, study, habits, you know, a disposition.
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Starting quarterback job is how pretty is that throw? And
rohandor thought that that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Was going to carry him.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was a misjudgment by him, and I think this
is a it's a tough lesson.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Now. With that said, if he is anywhere close.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
To the player he and the people around him clearly
think he is, he should win that job this year.
I don't know that he is that player, but it's
a Flacco Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel quarterback room. If the
league was wrong and he's right, he's a first round talent.
He's the only first round talent in that room.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, weird. A story that nobody knows how to cover
is Belichick and Jordan Hudson, and I said this one
of my rules on this show. One of the rules
on my show. It's not about being right, it's about
getting it right. And I thought it was sort of
icky and cringing, and then I watched the CBS interview
and I'm like, oh no, that's essential. Every CEO, senator,
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college coach in his seventies has handlers. We're just not
comfortable with them being young girlfriends. But she is now.
Bill didn't need this in the pros in college, Mike
Lombardi and Bill have no interest in the SID the
ad the college nonsense. They don't have a bridge. And
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when she's barking at CBS, I'm like, that's what sids do.
I've seen pr people do this with politicians. Bill doesn't
want to be a college coach. He's a college coach
because the way it worked out and it's mutually beneficial.
It's a little cringey for people, but that CBS interview,
I'm like, oh, I've seen that ten times. It could
be the Clintons, it could be a CEO, it could
be Bill Belliches.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yes, of course you've seen it ten times. The problem
is when you're envisioning that college coach and the I
seven days prior, was that college coach laying prone on
the beach with the sid laying on his feet doing.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
The Titanic post?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like in these instances where you're like, it's a politician
in their aid?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Was three weeks prior?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Was the politician fishing the aid out of the sea
as a mermaid for the instagram following like that? To me,
the context of that is what informs this.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
If it was just hey, listen.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You know, old soul, young heart, you know, to each
their own, and she's helpful where he's lacking, which is
media stuff or whatever, so be it, it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Does not feel like that to me.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And I don't think I am not one typically to
comment on someone's personal life. How if they make it
their public life and a big part of their public persona,
then I think it is fair if it's relevant. And
what I do think is relevant here and what is
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honestly most interesting to me because I don't care that
much about North Carolina Atario football with respect to Mitch
Trubisky and Lawrence Taylor. What is interesting to me is
is this one of the reasons the NFL was not
interested in Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
He was.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
One of the reasons Bill did not get interviews was
because people in NFL frunt offices already knew a guys.
So he's got a new girlfriend. She was born in
the two thousands and she's super involved, and Bill seems
okay with it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Like that to me when we're.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Taking like, we can't do the you know, I'm not
saying you're doing this, but we as a media can't say. Hey,
one of the reasons Shador fell in the draft was
when you are the quarterback of a team, optics disposition,
how you carry yourself matters. And it turned off NFL
owners and not say a similar turning off of NFL
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owners might have happened with Bill and his loving girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah. No, that's a good point. I think all that.
I mean, listen, I said this, you know, going back
to Shador, I said this eat on a podcast or
on the show. I said, the NFL is very protective
of its culture. It's not going to go baseball and
give you a ten year deal, and it's not going
to tolerate load management. It is a front office coach
sport is that if Sean McVay is done with you,
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Von Miller, Cooper Cup, bye bye. And that's the way
it worked. Jalen Ramsey, nice knowing you, and I do
think on the Shadur front and the Bill front, you
make a good, really interesting point that I hadn't thought about.
They are hyper protect that we're not letting coaches and
we're not letting quarterbacks, especially young ones, run the league.
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We run the league. It's an old boys club. And
I think to your point, it could be Shador, it
could be Johnny Manzel, it could be Bill Belichick. It's
like slow down and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I yeah, less again.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Unless you are there, there is always this oh wait,
but we think you're the best in the world. Like
Cam Newton, for whatever you know, with his failings or
successes as a pro, he did win an MVP go
to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Some people still think he underchieved whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He was as brash and confident and braggadosius as you
got Salespeter King, I want to be an icon and entertainer,
and we still remember it, but we also know this
he was pick one to one with a bullet because
it's like, I don't know, did you see last year
at Auburn? Holy moly, that guy's unbelievable. And if this
was if this were Belichick coming off the last Brady
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super Bowl where they win thirteen to three, shutting down
Sean mcvay's rams Todd Gurley led offense, then I think
we'll be like, all right, man, it's a weird thing
we're gonna have to deal with, but we'll deal with it.
But as the moment you're not, whether it's quarterback coach,
any of these guys a gotta have it guy, then
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you better fall in line and that maybe it shouldn't
be that way, but it pretty clearly is that way.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, Nick, Right, Well, you can't wait to get on
the old.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Enjoy train, buddy.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I cannot wait until the first person walks up to
you and does this one here?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Con goverte, who do you think is gonna win?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And before you can even answer, they then give you
their seven minute answer of their own question, which is
why they asked you the question. You're gonna love it, Oh,
my goodness, get ready to take some pictures.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
See you later, buddy.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All right? Nick? Right? J mckott is Actually it is
interesting is that, and I really believe this is that
the NFL looks at baseball and says to itself, how
do you guys give out ten year contracts. The NFL
looks at the NBA and goes load management. So they
are hyper protective of their culture. And their argument is,
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look at our ratings and look at yours, look at
our revenue, Look how much leverage we have over And
people say, but there's only one game a week. It's
not just that the NFL tells networks what you'll pay.
That's why the NFL that Robert Kraft calls Fox CBS
and says, here's what we've decided you're going to pay.
That's how it works. So when you literally lead an
industry by that much, it could be Coca Cola's recipe
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for there. We're going to be hyper protective of it.
And I think you can say you don't like it.
The media generally, especially print media, hates power. But the
NFL is like, no, that's why the NFL. If you
go look at their cbas I could argue baseball's umpire
union has as much power as the NFL players Union.
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They pushed the players around because they can and.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
It works a lot of ratings. Talk from you, what's
going on the ratings? We know things. The NFL way
bigger than NBA, period, and it signed a discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Come on NFL seasons like four months.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
That stuff is so essential in matters NBA season. Can
you remember what I Can you remember Week five games
in the NFL? Can you remember December games.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
In the NBA?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
No, of course, I don't like those comparison, Colin. It's
like apples to elephants, like stop, they're not really close
to what another.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I don't like that comparison.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Okay, coming up, Steph Curry won another award, an award
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Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, it's I saw. NBA players players voted Steph
Curry best teammate of the Year in the NBA. And
you don't get the superstar getting that very much. But
I think it speaks to his self awareness, and there's
a certain intelligence between Kerr and Curry and Draymond and
(25:13):
a self awareness. I mean, don't kid yourself. Draymond knows
what he's doing. But you know, they're all I don't
care if it's Hollywood or the NBA. A lot of
people care about those Twitter streets and Steph Curry doesn't.
He's just a remarkable teammate. And I thought last night
his ability to understand the temperament of Draymond to allow
Jimmy Butler to take over in the fourth, to even
(25:34):
allow pods to take over in big spots and they
get Warriors had, you know, a huge run in the
third quarter. It doesn't work. I mean Carmelo Anthony was
threatened by Jeremy Lynn, who had a good two week run.
Like you think to yourself, stars are all very secure
and they have self awareness. They don't so Steph Curry
and as I watched that game last night, and I
(25:55):
think Nick Wright had it right that Draymond Green can
just take over games and he's combustible, but Steph Curry
has always been okay with it and okay with kad
taking the shot and Jimmy Butler taking the shot and
young Pods controlling the game and Spurts. It's to be
the man the great Ones. Brady was like this, you
(26:16):
don't want to be the only man in some games
you aren't the man. Here's Kerr on last night's winning
and non Steph Carr Curry stardom.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
He's the best defender I've ever seen my life. And
he rises to the occasion. You know, on top of
being a great defender, he's an incredible competitor and so anytime,
and we've seen it, I've seen it for eleven years.
Game on the line, Draymond making a stop, it's like
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having Steph Curry take the shot.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Obviously talking about Draymond, not Steph, but it does remind
me a lot of Dennis Rodman and Michael Jordan loved
Rodman loved him. Michael understood he does things I don't
want to do. He's a disruptor. You know a lot
of the stars. I mean it's Michael was willing to
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play with some different characters. Steph Curry has been willing
to play with a lot of different personalities. I mean,
as great as the late Kobe Bryant was, he could
struggle with people like he struggled with Phil, he struggled
with coaches, he struggled with Shack. Is that d Wade's
another player? I always thought d Wade may have had
the keys to the city in Miami. He had no
(27:33):
problem saying, Shaq Lebron, go for it. And so the
d Wades, the MJ's, the steps that can step back
and say, by the way, it's you know, Michael Jordan
listened to Phil Jackson said, Oh, I'm gonna let Paxon
and Kerr have the final shot in games. You think
that's obvious, it's not. There are people in pro sports, Hollywood.
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They've got to be first, front and center on the marquee.
So I think that ability by I mean eric games
like last night in the fourth quarter that was not
close to about Steph. That was Jimmy Butler's quarter. J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Turn on the news, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Jimmy Bucket's taken over. Hey, you know, we're also taking
over the forty nine ers, Colin. They are a big
talking point right now because after going defensive heavy in
the draft, Pro Football Focus gave dem a d worst
draft in the League how well.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Chris Sims, do you remember emmy former quarterback. I think
he'd been on the show a bunch of times. He
thinks the Niners hit a home run.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I thought the San Francisco forty nine ers absolutely crushed
the draft. They got back to a little bit what
we talked about on Friday morning. They're roots. This is
what they were. This is when Shanahan and Lynch took over.
This is how the team was formed. Bunch of badasses
on the defensive side of the ball. Let's accumulate that.
Let's kick the crap out of everybody else. They'll get
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over to the offensive side of the ball here. But
Shanahan's awesome and he can cover some holes over there
with how he coaches and does that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Let's get this going first. Okay, I didn't like their draft.
There were only two drafts I did not like, Real
Miami Dolphin, San Francisco forty nine Ers. And I think
here's the problem. When Belichick got too much power in
New England, their drafts went downhill. It's impossible to be
a great GM slash head coach McVeigh has an opinion
(29:23):
less and the scouting department feed him all year the
necessary information. I think Shanahan essentially makes the call. And
by the way, John Snyder's drafts, and we defend Pete Carroll,
but Pete got too much power in Seattle. John Snyder
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threatened to go to Detroit. He got the power back
when they had that, you know, Paul Allen passed away.
There was a vacuum of power here and then John
Snyder took the drafts over. And the Seahawks have last
four drafts to meet. Three of the four been great.
Michael Jordan tried to play baseball, Randy Moss basketball. It
is hard to be great at one thing. I think
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the Niners, I think Shanahan now has too much of
a say in their drafts. I really do. And I
think McVay has power, but it's ultimately Less and the
scouting department that is doing the lead work. And by
the way, Less and Sean have a very good relationship.
You see it every year in the draft room. I
think the Niners now it's too much. It's what's happened
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in New England. I think it's gotten lobsided by the
way Brett Veach, Andy Reid, Andy let him run the
draft Seattle. John Snyder's now running. I thought the Seahawks
had the best draft, and I didn't necessarily think it
was that close because John runs it not the second
year head coach, so it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
One of the things we thought they needed was a
left tackle for the future because there are Trent Williams
away injury.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Colin from being.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Down the twos, it's over for the season, and remember
they lost his backup to the Chiefs, so I was
they did not go offensive tackle early. But when you
look at the screen, six defensive players for a defense
that lost I think three or four starters, So I
think they're plugging holes. Obviously at Georgia Ed Rusher, I'm
gonna love Colin How you a guy who could play?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
How how do you not You had an opportunity to
get Kelvin Banks and you had eleven picks in a
week draft and graded that eye it was the highest
graded left tackle. Will camp I mean again, Will Campbell,
who I'm not a huge fan of. I thought New
England had a good draft. I'm not a huge Will
Campbell fan. He could play in side in three years.
I wouldn't be shocked, but I would say this, I
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looked at the draft. Yes, they did very well at
defensive tackle. They need an offensive tackle. So Trent Williams
goes down in Week six. You're not going to play
seventeen games. It's over so common. Yeah, that division is
gonna be tough. Colin Arizona had a They went all
defense for Jonathan Gannon. Let me get my guys our offense.
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We got Harrison last year. We get the tight end.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Arizona sneaky good. You have the Rams in the super Bowl.
I like the Niners. That's going to be a very
tough division. I think we both agree. Seahawks are on
the outside looking in right, definitely behind.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
The top three. Yeah, I mean I like Jordan James,
that was one of the picks. I like they do
need another running back. And again I have no problem
going with edge rusher and defensive tackle. But if they
are great at right tackle, they're old at left tackle. Yeah,
you got a draft. To me, it was a miss
miss okay.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs. Their draft featured
offensive tackle Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. Now he
is a much scrutinized player. Some people had him as
the best tackle but he's coming off a major injury.
I saw stat that forty five percent of lineman who
suffered this injury never returned to form.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Again. I don't know how accurate that is.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
But yesterday Chiefs Director of player Personnel Ryan Nutt compared
Simmons to a couple of NFL veterans.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Josh is one of the better tackles in this draft class.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I would give him. You could make your case for
the best, but he's definitely in top three in this
draft class in terms of what he provides. The only
difference maybe between him and some other guys is, you know,
he started two years and some of these other guys
like elishu Ken I think started more. You can say
experience and stuff like that, but Josh is physically.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He is elite.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I didn't have a problem. Again, massive need really good
player from a great program that gives us a bunch
of NFL stars. I didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
But what about the rest of the Chiefs draft. They
go defensive tackle in the second shore, I get it,
ed Rusher. Everybody needs one of those cornerback. That is
an issue for them. Their cornerback situation was kind of wonky.
Last year, a wide receiver who's like a dart throw
in the full round, and then the linebacker and a
running back. I didn't think it was a great draft.
But everybody just thinks I'm a Chiefs hater. I'm not
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a Chiefs hatter.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't think they're gonna be great this year. Sorry.
I think the hardest place to draft is twenty five
and below, so you're paying first round money for a
second round talent. I thought their draft was fine. You know,
it does help to be in the top fifteen. Again,
I thought Miami and San Francisco had too many misses
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for me. I thought Seattle and Cleveland were fantastic. I
thought Arizona was pretty good. I like what the Raiders did,
But when you get to the bottom of the first round,
I mean the Rams told you, listen, we need a
tight end, we need more athletic ability and linebacker. But
they didn't have a lot of picks. But I would
say Cleveland and the Rams getting first round picks next
year in a much better draft quarterback draft. You could
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argue Cleveland and the Rams won the draft because that's
they got good players. This year. Both teams got two
or three starters this year and a first round pick
in a much better draft. So we never know how
these drafts play out. But I do think there are
times you can look at Seattle's draft and go, oh,
I watched all those guys in college. Those are starters
for the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
But remember when the chief lawt Pacheco last year. Their
backups were terrible. They're running back and eventually they said
it all on Kareem who was okay, but you can't
rely on him for a big chunk of season next year.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I'm lukewarm on the Chiefs. I know Nick's watching him,
gonna freak out and take shots at me.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm just telling you keep an eye on the chief
says like a nine win team struggle to get in
the playoffs. I'm on record.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Final story, Colin is the Denver Broncos. Now this is
a team where the arrow is pointing up man. Their
win total is much higher than people anticipating.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Guess what Sean Payton did in the draft. They went
and grabbed a two sport.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Athletes kid named Caleb Lerner out of Utah with their
seventh round pick. This kid paid five seasons of college basketball. Okay,
and Sean Payton famously drafted Jimmy Graham turned him into
an All pro tight end in New Orleans, and here's
Peyton talking about how Lerner could provide a similar impact.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
Well, if it turns out like the last one did,
then would be real excited. Then you go all the
way back really in our league historically, you know Gates
was signed, I believe undrafted, and so it's kind of
one of those things where the body types for tight end.
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It's not like they're making less of them. They may
be playing volleyball, they may be playing basketball, but it's
it's projecting.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, I've said this before. The one position that's really
changed to me when I was in the seventies and eighties,
I mean tight ends, it was unique. If you were
Kellen Winslow and could beat somebody down the field. It
was blockers. There was Dave Casper the Raiders, or maybe
at Kellen Winslow. You have these six five and a
half two hundred and forty eight pound athletes now that
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can run a four four nine or a four or
five two. And I think tight end is the one
position in this sport that doesn't look like it used
to look thirty years ago at all. I mean, running
backs roll was shifty, and top cornerbacks role was twitchy
and athletic, and receivers of all had good hands and
they're fluid. Tight ends now are often. I mean, there
just wasn't a lot of Travis Kelsey's and now there's
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multiple guys like that. So I don't have a problem
with a pick. I mean, I remember watching Antonio Gates
as a rookie and I liked the draft, and I'm like,
he played like Wayne State or something basketball, and I'm like,
how did everybody you could tell literally his rookie year.
You're like, how did everybody miss on him? And it
was a smart GM move where he was just a
great athlete. So I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah, So Colin, just I'm on record, this Denver roster
is really freaking good. I mean, I love everything about
their defense. Just remember last year Riley Moss and Certain
when they were a bookend cornerbacks.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
They were awesome late in the season.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I know the Bengals obviously lit them up in the
final game, but I'm just telling you this secondary adding Baron,
They're gonna be really good. This is a sneaky team,
not to just get into the playoffs, but to make
some noise. I do have some questions about the running
back room McLoughlin, Harvey, I don't know about that, but
I trust Jean Payton and you were right this team
last year. So put me down for Broncos in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
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Speaker 2 (38:05):
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Speaker 1 (39:32):
So I've used the term multiple times over the last
few weeks that a quarterback dad has become pageant mom
is their heart is in the right place, but that
kind of intense helicoptering is not always best for the kid.
And Nick Wright was on earlier this hour. And his
(39:54):
belief is mine is that Dion Sanders in this instance
didn't do shudu or a lot of favors.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think this was his first miss where he clearly
let made Shador believe, because why wouldn't I trust Dion
that I am viewed as a blue chipper and a
blue chipper can do the thing Shador did. He was
just flatly wrong that no team viewed him as a
(40:22):
first round pick, no team viewed him as a clear
cut future starter, and then all of a sudden you
find out, oh, I was interviewing for the wrong job.
They were interviewing me to be a backup. That's a
very different.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Job, yeah, than being a starter. And the other thing
is Shador was not the only quarterback to drop in
the draft. Quinn Yours a year ago was considered a
first round pick, and before the draft he was considered
a fifth round pick. He went to the seventh. Only
one quarterback moved up, Jackson Dart and that's because one
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team really liked him. That's it. I will tell you this.
I think I can say this now. My friend Tom
Telesco used to run the Chargers and Raiders. He really
liked Jackson Dart. He goes, I really like his tape,
and so he and I went back and front. I'm like,
I do love him. He goes, I really like him.
And so Tom wasn't the only one to do that,
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but he was the first person that came to me
about two months ago and he said, Hey, I think
Jackson Dart's really good. And it's like, well he drafted
Justin Herbert. He's pretty good with that thing. So I
mean it just we had a lot of quarterbacks. I
thought I thought Kyle McCord would go third round. Kyle
McCord went later. Now I wasn't in theo Quinn yours,
but you know, I mean, Dylan Gabriel to me was overdrafted.
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Here we go, our number two live in Chicago. It's
The Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. I can't
wait to tell Nick that I took the train to
work today. I'll want to see his reaction on that.
So I gotta start with this, Jmac. One of the
things about the draft is we find stuff out during
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and after the draft that we didn't know. So as
Shador Sanders falls in the draft, part of it is
because I kept saying, why didn't Pittsford draft it? I
would have drafted from Miles Pittsburgh. We're finding out now
looks like Art Rooney is saying he wants to come here.
We should hear any day now. So it does feel
(01:08):
like part of the precipitous drop is the Giants didn't
want him. He bombed the interview and the Steelers already
had Aaron coming back, so and Tennessee was going to
get their guy. So the draft has always been such
a weird thing to cover. As mel Kiper told me
like fifteen years ago, you never get lied to in
sports more as a reporter than a month before the draft,
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and mel thought he was going first round. So it's interesting.
There have been several stages of Aaron Rodgers' career. We've
stage one, he plays for a great organization and he's
in his prime, MVP's super Bowl Trophy, consistent division winner.
Stage two was he changes coaches. He now looks like
(01:51):
he's out of his prime. He's still really, really, really good,
but the last year he missed the playoffs. Stage three
is bad organization, clearly passed his prime because of an
injury he was five and twelve, And now the final
stage looks like if he signs with the Steelers, he's
(02:12):
on the doorstep of retirement. He is clearly a pocket
quarterback with a big brand that's well run except for
offense and folks, that doesn't sound like a playoff team
in a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. It
doesn't feel like a playoff team. It feels eight to nine,
nine and eight. Also, he plays Burrow twice, Lamar twice,
(02:35):
Josh Allen, Jared Goff, Justin, Herbert Harbaugh, Jordan Love. Also
he plays Caleb Williams and Drake May, who now have
big time coaches and much better rosters than playmakers. So
I think it's going to be an eight to nine,
nine and eight season. This is not Brady to Tampa,
where they were actually highly talented and highly productive on offense.
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Jamis through like I don't even know what it was,
thirty picks. I forgot the number. I mean Tom got
in there, and it's like he went to Tampa because
they were so good offensively. So I and let's be
honest about this. I don't think this is a shot.
Aaron's probably not the most committed offseason quarterback in the
league right now. So I think it's fine. I think
(03:20):
it's interesting. Every year there's a team that's really interesting
but not really good. Last year, I thought the Chicago
Bears were fascinating up until Thanksgiving, but not very good.
I think Pittsburgh's going to be that team. They're not
going to have long winning streaks. Also the Steelers, here's
a reality of their offense. It always gets worse in December.
You ever noticed that? Why Because Mike Tomlin is mostly
(03:40):
a motivational coach and that kind of runs dry by
week twelve, thirteen fourteen. Last year they were a pretty
good team and then the last five weeks they couldn't
move the ball at all with Russell Wilson. So I
think Aaron will be interesting. I don't think there'll be
a playoff team. And with that, Nick right now joining
us the host of First Things First Live from New York. Okay,
(04:01):
before we start anything, I took the train into work
this morning and I loved it. Nick, love that.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yeah, that'll last a few days and we'll be back
to car service for Uncle Colin.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I can't wait for your updates from the front of
a rugged Midwestern city.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Next week.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
You're gonna be like I ate a hot dog sold
by a vendor off the street and paid cash.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
It's gonna be the whole brave New World. Listen, you used.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
To be a man of the people, then a decade
in Los Angeles saw the job. So I'm glad that
Chicago what you will learn is this, as a Midwestern
kid myself, you now have the benefit of the single
best time zone to be a sports fan. Yeah, so
where a ten am football, nine am college football out
(04:57):
West is a little too early, but you know one
am finishes out East a little too late. It makes
more sense in the Central time zone. You know when
the NFL starts noon and three, like it was built
for the Midwest. It's great eleven am college football. You'll
love that. The night life will be great. I'm very
excited for you. As I told you, I'm gonna come
(05:17):
visit you. We'll go to Bavet's or one of those
fancy Chicago steakhouses you're buying.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
It's going to be great. You're now closer. I can't
wait to see you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Okay, So I picked the Rockets to win. I thought
depth size, and I said, yes, I know, all their
best players are twenty one, twenty two. I get it.
But the Warriors players, they're all old. And I don't
know if Pods is ready. And I'm watching that game
last night and the Draymond technical and the Jimmy Butler
and Kerrs coaching, and I'm like, I should have known.
(05:46):
I should have known. Doesn't it just come because if
you look at the box score, Houston did enough to win,
no question yep. But in the end I felt like
I was watching a little bit of the Wiggins Warriors.
It felt so Warriors to me. Who did you pick him?
Speaker 5 (06:00):
One up?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I picked the same as you.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I picked Rockets and seven for a lot of the
same reasons I thought. Listen, Steph has had two phenomenal games.
Game one he was outstanding, even.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Better than the box score.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Game three, with no Jimmy Butler I thought was an
all time step and Steve Kerr performance. But the Rockets
have held him in check in the other two games.
And Jimmy Butler, you know, missed a game. And there
were a lot of reasons that you thought or I
thought the Rockets could lean on them physical enough, and
(06:36):
by game seven they're beat up. And listen yesterday, if
Shingoon makes that shot, maybe you and I are looking smart.
Now it's a best of three with the Rockets having
home court. But to me, the story yesterday was about
a warrior you and I have talked about a lot
on this show. It was the vintage perfect for good
(06:59):
and for bad, had Draymond Green game because it was
his fourth and I say this with deep respect for
who he is as a player, even though he has
always kind of irritated me with some of the on
and off court antics. But what you saw from Draymond Green,
who yesterday hit two shots to open the game then
(07:20):
did not score another point, who had five fouls, one technical,
one flagrant, and could have had nine fouls, three technicals
and two flagrants. He was the most important player on
the court. He was the connective tissue for the Warriors.
He was doing all the vintage Draymond stuff and on
(07:43):
the fight alburn Shngoon yesterday. When Draymond was out of
the game, no Warrior could stop him. And when Draymond
was in the game, he wanted nothing to do with
the paint. And so when Draymond goes into the Hall
of Fame as a first ballot guy, this game is
a perfect example why it was his fourth straight triple single.
(08:06):
None of the stats are impressive. He's barking, he's yelling,
he's irritating, he's almost fighting, and he is helping the
Warriors win unlike any player other than Steph Curry in
this era. And so Listen, Draymond is not a big
fan of mine. I understand that that's probably fair, but
hats off to him for last night and for once
(08:28):
again proving as he said, he is a sixteen game player,
not an eighty two game player. And no one was
more valuable to the Warriors last night than Draymond Green.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So I think the Lakers are in big trouble for
a lot of reasons. And people send messages. JJ Reddick
sent a message to Rob Polinka, which is fix the roster.
But and I say this, they didn't play again until
like Wednesday, So I know JJ thought I'm going to
empty the tank. We're not playing till Wednesday. But come on,
if Lebron was in year twelve, if Luca would have
(09:01):
come into the season in shape, I thought it was
a calculated risk you didn't necessarily need to take because
Minnesota is deeper and Julius Reynolds playing out of his mind.
Finally in the playoffs, I didn't love the coaching decision.
What did you think about it?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You thought JJ doing something literally no coach in basketball history.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was maybe a mistake. Yeah, and listen, I think
I think JJ's been excellent.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think he deserves credit, and I think there are
there are a lot of fingerprints on this Lakers loss.
I think that a smart point that was made by
I think silver Screen and Roll, one of the Lakers blogs.
I apologize if I'm misattributing it was that the original
fingerprint on this loss was the front office's passivity before
(09:51):
they got Luka Doncic in the last couple of years
of Lebron and Anthony Davis and not treating it like
it was a championship roster that needed championship role players,
and you saw the atrophy of that in this Some
of the fingerprints on this losses the Lakers, not or
JJ I should say, it's not so much about Lebron
(10:13):
and Luca playing the whole second half. There's a lot
of playoff games where your two stars, even if one's
a little overweight and the others seventy thousand minutes in
at forty years old, play the whole second half. It's
that you didn't think you could get one minute from
Gabe Vincent or Jackson Hayes, Jared Vanderbilt to where Austin
(10:33):
Reeves and the other guys are more fresh. So there's
that it was the fact that Lebron I think, made
a calculated decision in that fourth quarter, which was, I
only have this much energy left, and because we have
Luka Dncic, I'm saving it for the defensive end, where
(10:55):
you saw some vintage all time Lebron defensive at the
end of that game. Luke will be able to take
care of the offense and he couldn't. Lebron himself a
minute left, ball in his hands up to takes a
tough three instead of, you know, using whatever energy you
had to get to the basket. All of that conspired
(11:18):
to put a Lakers team that has no business being
down three to one down three to one, and Colin,
do I think they have a chance to win this series?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I do?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But do I think it actually really matters at this point?
I don't. And that's for two reasons.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
One is because this thing, their best case scenario is
it goes seven. What that means, Colin is starting tomorrow
until they are eliminated. They are every other day the
rest of the playoffs until the finals, if.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
You were to get there.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
But it is it is literally on the Lakers schedule
in the month of May, it is fifteen games and
thirty days if they were to get that opportunity. You see,
they don't have the depth of the roster to handle that.
They needed this series to be quick. They needed the
Lebron thirty eight point masterpiece on Friday to be enough,
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and they needed that game a double digit lead in
the fourth quarter on Sunday to be enough. Neither was,
and now they're up against it, and even if they
get through it, all that means is they're going to
be dog tired going into round two.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I want to talk sit her Sanders because it it
really got people worked up, and I have most of
my contacts are in the NFL, so most of my
people just said, you know, listen, Dion is popular. He's
worked at major networks. Peter Schreeger mentioned this as well.
Nobody wanted to tell d On the truth, like your
son's not interviewing well and maybe he's not as good
as you think. Whatever. Dan Marino slid, Aaron Rodgers slid,
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Johnny Manzel, half the teams took him off their board.
I do think there was a lack of self awareness.
Butchering the Giant, I mean, the Giants were willing to
give up to first to get cam Ward and three
picks for Jackson Dark they wanted a quarterback and yet
should do her by the way it came out after
the fact, Yeah, he bombed the interview. So some of
it was there's a scarcity of teams to need it,
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and there weren't very many good quarterbacks after cam Moore.
There's been a lot of comparisons to a lot of people.
I think it's just people dropping the draft, and I
do think quarterbacks, me on Baker Mayfield, quarterbacks are judged differently.
If a wide receiver had a draft room that said legendary,
I wouldn't care, but a quarterback, but it phil it.
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Some of it felt cringey, and maybe that's it.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So there's there's so much here the point you were
making out of the difference in personalities quarterback, wide receiver,
or let's take Abdua Carter. Like Abdua Carter, you know,
got in some trouble off the field. There's questions about
his motor. The moment he gets drafted, he's like, alt,
come off that fifty six buddy, and everyone's like, can
you get me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Twelve sacks a year?
Speaker 1 (13:54):
He can't.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
He's an addresser, he cares and the fact of the
matter is this. I think this was a multi front failure.
I think it was a failure. If I'm being honest
by a lot of the NFL insiders and not having
anywhere close to their finger on the pulse of what
clearly the majority of the league thought of Shador, I
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think it was.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I think Dion.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Has been the type of father that I think a
lot of fathers, myself included, aspire to be, where you
can be simultaneously friends with your kid while a hardcore
disciplinarian while involved in their lives.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I think he's been a great dad.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think this was his first miss where he clearly
let made Shador believe, because why wouldn't I trust Dion
that I am viewed as a blue Chipper and a
blue Chipper can do the thing Shador did. Chador to me,
conducted the draft process as if he knew for certain, yes,
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if I'm there at twenty one, Pittsburgh is taking me.
And therefore he appeared from the reporting to almost intentionally
turn off certain teams because he wasn't worried about the
money to go along with draft slot. So he's like, no,
I'd rather go to Pittsburgh than say New Orleans or
wherever else, and he was just flatly wrong that no
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team viewed him as a first round pick, no team
viewed him as a clear cut future starter. And then
all of a sudden you find out, Oh, I was
interviewing for the wrong job. Yeah, they were interviewing me
to be a backup. That's a very different job. Like
if I were to come to you, Colin, it's a
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different job if it's like, hey, we're interviewing someone who
when Colin's off to fill in, or're interviewing someone who's
going to produce the show, Like I need to know
what job I'm in viewing for. The backup quarterback job
is much more about personality, study, habits, you know, a disposition.
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Starting quarterback job is how pretty is that throw? And
rohandor thought that that.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Was going to carry him.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
It was a misjudgment by him, and I think this
is a it's a tough lesson.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Now. With that said, if he is anywhere close.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
To the player he and the people around him clearly
think he is, he should win that job this year.
I don't know that he is that player, but it's
a Flacco Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel quarterback room. If the
league was wrong and he's right, he's a first round talent.
He's the only first round talent in that room.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Okay, weird. A story that nobody knows how to cover
is Belichick and Jordan Hudson, and I said this one
of my rules on this show. One of the rules
on my show. It's not about being right, it's about
getting it right. And I thought it was sort of
icky and cringing, and then I watched the CBS interview
and I'm like, oh no, that's essential. Every CEO, senator,
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college coach in his seventies has handlers. We're just not
comfortable with them being young girlfriends. But she is now.
Bill didn't need this in the pros in college, Mike
Lombardi and Bill have no interest in the SID the
ad the college nonsense. They don't have a bridge. And
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when she's barking at CBS, I'm like, that's what sids do.
I've seen pr people do this with politicians. Bill doesn't
want to be a college coach. He's a college coach
because the way it worked out and it's mutually beneficial.
It's a little cringey for people, but that CBS interview,
I'm like, oh, I've seen that ten times. It could
be the Clintons, it could be a CEO, it could
be Bill Belliches.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yes, of course you've seen it ten times. The problem
is when you're envisioning that college coach and the I
seven days prior, was that college coach laying prone on
the beach with the sid laying on his feet doing.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
The Titanic post?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Like in these instances where you're like, it's a politician
in their aid?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Was three weeks prior?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Was the politician fishing the aid out of the sea
as a mermaid for the instagram following like that? To me,
the context of that is what informs this.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
If it was just hey, listen.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You know, old soul, young heart, you know, to each
their own, and she's helpful where he's lacking, which is
media stuff or whatever, so be it, it.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Does not feel like that to me.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
And I don't think I am not one typically to
comment on someone's personal life. How if they make it
their public life and a big part of their public persona,
then I think it is fair if it's relevant. And
what I do think is relevant here and what is
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honestly most interesting to me because I don't care that
much about North Carolina Atario football with respect to Mitch
Trubisky and Lawrence Taylor. What is interesting to me is
is this one of the reasons the NFL was not
interested in Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
He was.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
One of the reasons Bill did not get interviews was
because people in NFL frunt offices already knew a guys.
So he's got a new girlfriend. She was born in
the two thousands and she's super involved, and Bill seems
okay with it.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Like that to me when we're.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Taking like, we can't do the you know, I'm not
saying you're doing this, but we as a media can't say. Hey,
one of the reasons Shador fell in the draft was
when you are the quarterback of a team, optics disposition,
how you carry yourself matters. And it turned off NFL
owners and not say a similar turning off of NFL
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owners might have happened with Bill and his loving girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah. No, that's a good point. I think all that.
I mean, listen, I said this, you know, going back
to Shador, I said this eat on a podcast or
on the show. I said, the NFL is very protective
of its culture. It's not going to go baseball and
give you a ten year deal, and it's not going
to tolerate load management. It is a front office coach
sport is that if Sean McVay is done with you,
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Von Miller, Cooper Cup, bye bye. And that's the way
it worked. Jalen Ramsey, nice knowing you, and I do
think on the Shadur front and the Bill front, you
make a good, really interesting point that I hadn't thought about.
They are hyper protect that we're not letting coaches and
we're not letting quarterbacks, especially young ones, run the league.
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We run the league. It's an old boys club. And
I think to your point, it could be Shador, it
could be Johnny Manzel, it could be Bill Belichick. It's
like slow down and.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
I yeah, less again.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Unless you are there, there is always this oh wait,
but we think you're the best in the world. Like
Cam Newton, for whatever you know, with his failings or
successes as a pro, he did win an MVP go
to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Some people still think he underchieved whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
He was as brash and confident and braggadosius as you
got Salespeter King, I want to be an icon and entertainer,
and we still remember it, but we also know this
he was pick one to one with a bullet because
it's like, I don't know, did you see last year
at Auburn? Holy moly, that guy's unbelievable. And if this
was if this were Belichick coming off the last Brady
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super Bowl where they win thirteen to three, shutting down
Sean mcvay's rams Todd Gurley led offense, then I think
we'll be like, all right, man, it's a weird thing
we're gonna have to deal with, but we'll deal with it.
But as the moment you're not, whether it's quarterback coach,
any of these guys a gotta have it guy, then
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you better fall in line and that maybe it shouldn't
be that way, but it pretty clearly is that way.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, Nick, Right, Well, you can't wait to get on
the old.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Enjoy train, buddy.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
I cannot wait until the first person walks up to
you and does this one here?
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Con goverte, who do you think is gonna win?
Speaker 4 (22:44):
And before you can even answer, they then give you
their seven minute answer of their own question, which is
why they asked you the question. You're gonna love it, Oh,
my goodness, get ready to take some pictures.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
See you later, buddy.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
All right? Nick? Right? J mckott is Actually it is
interesting is that, and I really believe this is that
the NFL looks at baseball and says to itself, how
do you guys give out ten year contracts. The NFL
looks at the NBA and goes load management. So they
are hyper protective of their culture. And their argument is,
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look at our ratings and look at yours, look at
our revenue, Look how much leverage we have over And
people say, but there's only one game a week. It's
not just that the NFL tells networks what you'll pay.
That's why the NFL that Robert Kraft calls Fox CBS
and says, here's what we've decided you're going to pay.
That's how it works. So when you literally lead an
industry by that much, it could be Coca Cola's recipe
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for there. We're going to be hyper protective of it.
And I think you can say you don't like it.
The media generally, especially print media, hates power. But the
NFL is like, no, that's why the NFL. If you
go look at their cbas I could argue baseball's umpire
union has as much power as the NFL players Union.
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They pushed the players around because they can and.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
It works a lot of ratings. Talk from you, what's
going on the ratings? We know things. The NFL way
bigger than NBA, period, and it signed a discussion.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Come on NFL seasons like four months.
Speaker 6 (24:14):
That stuff is so essential in matters NBA season. Can
you remember what I Can you remember Week five games
in the NFL? Can you remember December games.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
In the NBA?
Speaker 6 (24:24):
No, of course, I don't like those comparison, Colin. It's
like apples to elephants, like stop, they're not really close
to what another.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I don't like that comparison.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
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Speaker 1 (24:52):
You know, it's I saw. NBA players players voted Steph
Curry best teammate of the Year in the NBA. And
you don't get the superstar getting that very much. But
I think it speaks to his self awareness, and there's
a certain intelligence between Kerr and Curry and Draymond and
(25:13):
a self awareness. I mean, don't kid yourself. Draymond knows
what he's doing. But you know, they're all I don't
care if it's Hollywood or the NBA. A lot of
people care about those Twitter streets and Steph Curry doesn't.
He's just a remarkable teammate. And I thought last night
his ability to understand the temperament of Draymond to allow
Jimmy Butler to take over in the fourth, to even
(25:34):
allow pods to take over in big spots and they
get Warriors had, you know, a huge run in the
third quarter. It doesn't work. I mean Carmelo Anthony was
threatened by Jeremy Lynn, who had a good two week run.
Like you think to yourself, stars are all very secure
and they have self awareness. They don't so Steph Curry
and as I watched that game last night, and I
(25:55):
think Nick Wright had it right that Draymond Green can
just take over games and he's combustible, but Steph Curry
has always been okay with it and okay with kad
taking the shot and Jimmy Butler taking the shot and
young Pods controlling the game and Spurts. It's to be
the man the great Ones. Brady was like this, you
(26:16):
don't want to be the only man in some games
you aren't the man. Here's Kerr on last night's winning
and non Steph Carr Curry stardom.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
He's the best defender I've ever seen my life. And
he rises to the occasion. You know, on top of
being a great defender, he's an incredible competitor and so anytime,
and we've seen it, I've seen it for eleven years.
Game on the line, Draymond making a stop, it's like
(26:48):
having Steph Curry take the shot.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Obviously talking about Draymond, not Steph, but it does remind
me a lot of Dennis Rodman and Michael Jordan loved
Rodman loved him. Michael understood he does things I don't
want to do. He's a disruptor. You know a lot
of the stars. I mean it's Michael was willing to
(27:11):
play with some different characters. Steph Curry has been willing
to play with a lot of different personalities. I mean,
as great as the late Kobe Bryant was, he could
struggle with people like he struggled with Phil, he struggled
with coaches, he struggled with Shack. Is that d Wade's
another player? I always thought d Wade may have had
the keys to the city in Miami. He had no
(27:33):
problem saying, Shaq Lebron, go for it. And so the
d Wades, the MJ's, the steps that can step back
and say, by the way, it's you know, Michael Jordan
listened to Phil Jackson said, Oh, I'm gonna let Paxon
and Kerr have the final shot in games. You think
that's obvious, it's not. There are people in pro sports, Hollywood.
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They've got to be first, front and center on the marquee.
So I think that ability by I mean eric games
like last night in the fourth quarter that was not
close to about Steph. That was Jimmy Butler's quarter. J
Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
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Speaker 6 (28:14):
Jimmy Bucket's taken over. Hey, you know, we're also taking
over the forty nine ers, Colin. They are a big
talking point right now because after going defensive heavy in
the draft, Pro Football Focus gave dem a d worst
draft in the League how well.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 6 (28:28):
Chris Sims, do you remember emmy former quarterback. I think
he'd been on the show a bunch of times. He
thinks the Niners hit a home run.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
I thought the San Francisco forty nine ers absolutely crushed
the draft. They got back to a little bit what
we talked about on Friday morning. They're roots. This is
what they were. This is when Shanahan and Lynch took over.
This is how the team was formed. Bunch of badasses
on the defensive side of the ball. Let's accumulate that.
Let's kick the crap out of everybody else. They'll get
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over to the offensive side of the ball here. But
Shanahan's awesome and he can cover some holes over there
with how he coaches and does that.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Let's get this going first. Okay, I didn't like their draft.
There were only two drafts I did not like, Real
Miami Dolphin, San Francisco forty nine Ers. And I think
here's the problem. When Belichick got too much power in
New England, their drafts went downhill. It's impossible to be
a great GM slash head coach McVeigh has an opinion
(29:23):
less and the scouting department feed him all year the
necessary information. I think Shanahan essentially makes the call. And
by the way, John Snyder's drafts, and we defend Pete Carroll,
but Pete got too much power in Seattle. John Snyder
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threatened to go to Detroit. He got the power back
when they had that, you know, Paul Allen passed away.
There was a vacuum of power here and then John
Snyder took the drafts over. And the Seahawks have last
four drafts to meet. Three of the four been great.
Michael Jordan tried to play baseball, Randy Moss basketball. It
is hard to be great at one thing. I think
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the Niners, I think Shanahan now has too much of
a say in their drafts. I really do. And I
think McVay has power, but it's ultimately Less and the
scouting department that is doing the lead work. And by
the way, Less and Sean have a very good relationship.
You see it every year in the draft room. I
think the Niners now it's too much. It's what's happened
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in New England. I think it's gotten lobsided by the
way Brett Veach, Andy Reid, Andy let him run the
draft Seattle. John Snyder's now running. I thought the Seahawks
had the best draft, and I didn't necessarily think it
was that close because John runs it not the second
year head coach, so it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
One of the things we thought they needed was a
left tackle for the future because there are Trent Williams
away injury.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Colin from being.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Down the twos, it's over for the season, and remember
they lost his backup to the Chiefs, so I was
they did not go offensive tackle early. But when you
look at the screen, six defensive players for a defense
that lost I think three or four starters, So I
think they're plugging holes. Obviously at Georgia Ed Rusher, I'm
gonna love Colin How you a guy who could play?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
How how do you not You had an opportunity to
get Kelvin Banks and you had eleven picks in a
week draft and graded that eye it was the highest
graded left tackle. Will camp I mean again, Will Campbell,
who I'm not a huge fan of. I thought New
England had a good draft. I'm not a huge Will
Campbell fan. He could play in side in three years.
I wouldn't be shocked, but I would say this, I
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looked at the draft. Yes, they did very well at
defensive tackle. They need an offensive tackle. So Trent Williams
goes down in Week six. You're not going to play
seventeen games. It's over so common. Yeah, that division is
gonna be tough. Colin Arizona had a They went all
defense for Jonathan Gannon. Let me get my guys our offense.
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We got Harrison last year. We get the tight end.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
Arizona sneaky good. You have the Rams in the super Bowl.
I like the Niners. That's going to be a very
tough division. I think we both agree. Seahawks are on
the outside looking in right, definitely behind.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
The top three. Yeah, I mean I like Jordan James,
that was one of the picks. I like they do
need another running back. And again I have no problem
going with edge rusher and defensive tackle. But if they
are great at right tackle, they're old at left tackle. Yeah,
you got a draft. To me, it was a miss
miss okay.
Speaker 6 (32:28):
Let's go to the Kansas City Chiefs. Their draft featured
offensive tackle Josh Simmons out of Ohio State. Now he
is a much scrutinized player. Some people had him as
the best tackle but he's coming off a major injury.
I saw stat that forty five percent of lineman who
suffered this injury never returned to form.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Again. I don't know how accurate that is.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
But yesterday Chiefs Director of player Personnel Ryan Nutt compared
Simmons to a couple of NFL veterans.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Josh is one of the better tackles in this draft class.
Speaker 8 (32:59):
I would give him. You could make your case for
the best, but he's definitely in top three in this
draft class in terms of what he provides. The only
difference maybe between him and some other guys is, you know,
he started two years and some of these other guys
like elishu Ken I think started more. You can say
experience and stuff like that, but Josh is physically.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He is elite.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I didn't have a problem. Again, massive need really good
player from a great program that gives us a bunch
of NFL stars. I didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
But what about the rest of the Chiefs draft. They
go defensive tackle in the second shore, I get it,
ed Rusher. Everybody needs one of those cornerback. That is
an issue for them. Their cornerback situation was kind of wonky.
Last year, a wide receiver who's like a dart throw
in the full round, and then the linebacker and a
running back. I didn't think it was a great draft.
But everybody just thinks I'm a Chiefs hater. I'm not
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a Chiefs hatter.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I don't think they're gonna be great this year. Sorry.
I think the hardest place to draft is twenty five
and below, so you're paying first round money for a
second round talent. I thought their draft was fine. You know,
it does help to be in the top fifteen. Again,
I thought Miami and San Francisco had too many misses
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for me. I thought Seattle and Cleveland were fantastic. I
thought Arizona was pretty good. I like what the Raiders did,
But when you get to the bottom of the first round,
I mean the Rams told you, listen, we need a
tight end, we need more athletic ability and linebacker. But
they didn't have a lot of picks. But I would
say Cleveland and the Rams getting first round picks next
year in a much better draft quarterback draft. You could
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argue Cleveland and the Rams won the draft because that's
they got good players. This year. Both teams got two
or three starters this year and a first round pick
in a much better draft. So we never know how
these drafts play out. But I do think there are
times you can look at Seattle's draft and go, oh,
I watched all those guys in college. Those are starters
for the Seahawks.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
But remember when the chief lawt Pacheco last year. Their
backups were terrible. They're running back and eventually they said
it all on Kareem who was okay, but you can't
rely on him for a big chunk of season next year.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
I'm lukewarm on the Chiefs. I know Nick's watching him,
gonna freak out and take shots at me.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
That's fine.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I'm just telling you keep an eye on the chief
says like a nine win team struggle to get in
the playoffs. I'm on record.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Final story, Colin is the Denver Broncos. Now this is
a team where the arrow is pointing up man. Their
win total is much higher than people anticipating.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Guess what Sean Payton did in the draft. They went
and grabbed a two sport.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Athletes kid named Caleb Lerner out of Utah with their
seventh round pick. This kid paid five seasons of college basketball. Okay,
and Sean Payton famously drafted Jimmy Graham turned him into
an All pro tight end in New Orleans, and here's
Peyton talking about how Lerner could provide a similar impact.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
Well, if it turns out like the last one did,
then would be real excited. Then you go all the
way back really in our league historically, you know Gates
was signed, I believe undrafted, and so it's kind of
one of those things where the body types for tight end.
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It's not like they're making less of them. They may
be playing volleyball, they may be playing basketball, but it's
it's projecting.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, I've said this before. The one position that's really
changed to me when I was in the seventies and eighties,
I mean tight ends, it was unique. If you were
Kellen Winslow and could beat somebody down the field. It
was blockers. There was Dave Casper the Raiders, or maybe
at Kellen Winslow. You have these six five and a
half two hundred and forty eight pound athletes now that
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can run a four four nine or a four or
five two. And I think tight end is the one
position in this sport that doesn't look like it used
to look thirty years ago at all. I mean, running
backs roll was shifty, and top cornerbacks role was twitchy
and athletic, and receivers of all had good hands and
they're fluid. Tight ends now are often. I mean, there
just wasn't a lot of Travis Kelsey's and now there's
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multiple guys like that. So I don't have a problem
with a pick. I mean, I remember watching Antonio Gates
as a rookie and I liked the draft, and I'm like,
he played like Wayne State or something basketball, and I'm like,
how did everybody you could tell literally his rookie year.
You're like, how did everybody miss on him? And it
was a smart GM move where he was just a
great athlete. So I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 6 (37:28):
Yeah, So Colin, just I'm on record, this Denver roster
is really freaking good. I mean, I love everything about
their defense. Just remember last year Riley Moss and Certain
when they were a bookend cornerbacks.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
They were awesome late in the season.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
I know the Bengals obviously lit them up in the
final game, but I'm just telling you this secondary adding Baron,
They're gonna be really good. This is a sneaky team,
not to just get into the playoffs, but to make
some noise. I do have some questions about the running
back room McLoughlin, Harvey, I don't know about that, but
I trust Jean Payton and you were right this team
last year. So put me down for Broncos in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
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So I've used the term multiple times over the last
few weeks that a quarterback dad has become pageant mom
is their heart is in the right place, but that
kind of intense helicoptering is not always best for the kid.
And Nick Wright was on earlier this hour. And his
(39:54):
belief is mine is that Dion Sanders in this instance
didn't do shudu or a lot of favors.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I think this was his first miss where he clearly
let made Shador believe, because why wouldn't I trust Dion
that I am viewed as a blue chipper and a
blue chipper can do the thing Shador did. He was
just flatly wrong that no team viewed him as a
(40:22):
first round pick, no team viewed him as a clear
cut future starter, and then all of a sudden you
find out, oh, I was interviewing for the wrong job.
They were interviewing me to be a backup. That's a
very different.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Job, yeah, than being a starter. And the other thing
is Shador was not the only quarterback to drop in
the draft. Quinn Yours a year ago was considered a
first round pick, and before the draft he was considered
a fifth round pick. He went to the seventh. Only
one quarterback moved up, Jackson Dart and that's because one
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team really liked him. That's it. I will tell you this.
I think I can say this now. My friend Tom
Telesco used to run the Chargers and Raiders. He really
liked Jackson Dart. He goes, I really like his tape,
and so he and I went back and front. I'm like,
I do love him. He goes, I really like him.
And so Tom wasn't the only one to do that,
(41:23):
but he was the first person that came to me
about two months ago and he said, Hey, I think
Jackson Dart's really good. And it's like, well he drafted
Justin Herbert. He's pretty good with that thing. So I
mean it just we had a lot of quarterbacks. I
thought I thought Kyle McCord would go third round. Kyle
McCord went later. Now I wasn't in theo Quinn yours,
but you know, I mean, Dylan Gabriel to me was overdrafted.
(41:49):
Shador Sanders was underdrafted.
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