July 28, 2025 • 42 mins
Eagles QB Jalen Hurts is ranked correctly
Danny Parkins gives his list of the top 10 QBs in the NFL
The Bengals continue to pinch pennies when it comes to contracts
Guest: Bruce Feldman
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio our number two. Danny
parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Danny Parket's from a new
soon to be expanded First things first, that is still surreal.
Chris brassardle join next hour. Mine now teammate on first
things first. Unbelievably exciting. It's really cool to be in
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for Colin. I appreciate everyone allowing me to do it.
One down, two to go. Bruce Feldman will join us
in twenty minutes. How many teams have a legit shot
at the national championship and were the College Football.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Playoff goes from here?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But I know I'm not very popular in Philadelphia because
when you do these jobs, you end up talking about
the best teams and the best quarterbacks and the best
coaches and anything short of it's the greatest I've ever seen.
Is apparently blasphemous and Eagles fans are awesome. Right, You're insane,
You're passionate, you defend your guy, you should. Everyone's playing
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the correct role here. But I just look at this
and I ask, what is enough? Because here's everything I've
said publicly and we'll say again about Jalen Hurts and
the Philadelphia Eagles. They are the best organization in the NFL,
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with the best offensive line in the NFL, with the
best running back in the NFL, with a top three
wide receiver duo in the NFL, with a top three
defensive tackle in the NFL, with a top linebacker and
a top young secondary, and a top general manager. Do
I also have to believe that you have a top
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five quarterback?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Do I also have to believe that Nick Siriani is
the best coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like enough that no amount of praise is enough,
because I think Jalen Hurts is the tenth best quarterback
in the NFL, who is clutch, is a great leader,
and is unbelievably smart. Jalen Hurts having nine different play
callers over nine years spanning back to college, speaks incredibly
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highly to his football character and his football intelligence.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Playing not one, but two not good but great super
Bowls obviously is incredibly valuable.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No one would deny any of it. Clutch smart leader.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But I also think it's totally reasonable to say that
the guy who was twenty second in the NFL in
past attempts last year is propped up by the system
at which he plays in and the guys around him,
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and by the way anybody would be.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
If you got to throw to Devonte Smith and aj.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Brown and be protected by Lane Johnson and Jordan Mylatta
and hand the ball off to Saquon Barkley, that's pretty good.
Anybody would want to be in that situation. Patrick Mahome
would want to be in that situation. Josh Allen would
want to be in that situation. Lamar Jackson, anybody in
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the league would want to be in that situation. And
the Eagles could have Carson Wentz on the verge of
being an MVP.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now he's a backup in the league.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
He gets hurt and Nick Foles wins a Super Bowl
like they were in a Super Bowl with a different
coach and a different quarterback, and then a different quarterback
and then a different coach, and now it's Jalen Hurts again.
It's an unbelievable organization. I would argue the best organization.
But for some reason, the pushback then becomes, oh, so
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you're saying you'd rather Jalen Hurts throw for four thousand
yards and forty touchdowns than just win. Not if I'm
an Eagles fan, obviously not. But if I'm evaluating a quarterback,
then yeah, that is exactly what I'm saying. The primary
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job of the quarterback is to throw the ball. You
would say, no, it's to win. No, it isn't. Winning
is a team concept. Quarterback wins are not a quarterback stat.
But if you want to make it a quarterback stat,
I'm your huckleberry. Let's play the game. Let's show the
company that Jalen Hurts keeps among winners, and then the
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amount of passing touchdowns that they have. Because he wins,
including the playoffs since twenty twenty one, at a clip
higher than Lamar, higher than Allen, lower than Mahomes, he
wins at a clip second best in the NFL. But
for passing touchdowns. For those guys at that clip, Lamar
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Jackson one h five, Josh Allen one forty eight, Patrick
Mahomes one sixty, Jalen Hurts eighty nine, and then he's
got a ton of rushing touchdowns from the one yard line.
And so then you said, well, Danny, no one's saying
that he's better than Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or
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Patrick Mahomes. Okay, but there is what he does to
contribute to the winning and again leader, smart, clutch, durable,
all incredibly valuable things. But a general manager once said
his job is summed up very simply. It's very difficult
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to do, but it's summed up simply evaluate the individual.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Within the concept of the team.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Like if you're the best a deep ball wide receiver,
but you've got a quarterback with a noodle arm, tough
to really prove it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Or if you're the best.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Deep ball receiver but you got an offensive line that
can't pass block, tough to give your quarterback enough time
for the route to develop for you to really prove it.
It is a complimentary game. We all understand that. Philly
fans understand that. But it's like I have to say
that he's a top five quarterback with a top five
coach if they are really that well then it's the
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best team in the history of the NFL. And I
don't think anybody looks at Philly that way. They are
very good. They were very dominant. They started two and two,
they started throwing less and running more, and they basically
ran the table. One lost the rest of the way,
and they bludgeoned people except for the Rams throughout the postseason.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
That is a.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Really reasonable resume for a great team and a very
good quarterback. It's tough for me to say that Jalen
Hurts is better than Matt Stafford. It's just hard for
me to do because when I watched them play and
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I see one guy sling it all over the field
and the team's success is predicated on him sling it
all all over the field, I believe that that guy
is the better quarterback, not the better runner, not even
necessarily the better leader. But that's what I think Eagles
fans miss in this conversation. It's not a knock on
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Jalen Hurts. It's a compliment to your organization that you
can be that dominant with a very good quarterback. It
is a compliment. It's not a knock on Hurts. He
deserves all his money Eagles fans should love him. Eagles
fans should want to trade Jalen Hurts for no one.
But you gotta admit, if Howie Roseman got the phone call, hey,
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Justin Herbert for Jalen Hurts, does anyone actually think Howie
Roseman would say no?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Does anyone believe it? Do you say it?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You say, well, Justin Herbert had four interceptions and he's
got two losses in a playoff gamp Oh, does anyone
really believe it that trade is proposed Herbert for Hurts?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Who says no?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because I don't think Jim Harbaugh is leaving Michigan to
go coach Jalen Hurts. I think most people who evaluate
it watch it would stay. Yeah, he doesn't have the
playoff success, but he also hasn't had the quality organization
and line and receivers and defense and everything that Jalen
Hurts has.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And so maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Impossible for Jalen Hurts to be regarded as the best
quarterback because he has such a super team around him.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Oh well, that's life.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You still have a couple hundred million bucks and a
couple of Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl ring,
and you can shut everybody up by continuing to win.
So everyone I think is playing their role correctly here.
I just don't have I don't believe that they also
have the best coach and the best quarterback and everything
on their team is the best in the NFL. I
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think some of their elements are the best, and it
props everything else up. Speaking of rankings, let's do it
for the sake of the exercise. Top ten quarterbacks in
the NFL heading into the twenty twenty five NFL season,
Number ten, Jalen Hurts I said it and I mean it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He was like, you gotta give it more credit for
winning the Super Bowl. I am. He was outside of
my top ten last year. Mispoiler alert. He's ahead of
Dak Prescott. He wasn't this time last season.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Jalen Hurts great leader, clutch, perfect for that team in
that system, but not asked to do nearly as much
for his team's success as the guys nine through one
on my list.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Number nine.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
The Bake Show, Baker Mayfield is the poster child for patience.
We'll see what Bryce Young ends up being in Carolina,
but Baker Mayfield, man, they haven't figured it out in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They haven't figured it out in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This guy the last two seasons comfortably inside the top ten.
He's first in passing touchdowns, second in passing yards, fourth
in passer rating, and sixth in yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Baker Mayfield all the respects.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Number eight Jared Goff, like Jalen Hurts, has a ton
around him, no.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But doing it with two different franchises, with the Rams
to a super Bowl and now the Lions as perennial
contenders year in and year out matters. And last year,
I mean, career highs in points per game, thirty three
completion percentage, passing, touchdown, passer rating, yards per attempt and
oh yeah, by the way, wins Jared Goff's stud and
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he's playing up to the billing of being the number
one overall pick. Number seven. It's the best rookie season
I've ever seen. Jaden Daniels is the guy on this
list who at the end that top four is just
so ironclad. It's like Mount Rushmore, Hey, you know we
should do that as a sports radio hook.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Mount Rushmore? Has anyone ever thought of that?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But if there was a guy outside of the top
four who could jump in If Jaden Daniels builds on
a rookie season with the third down efficiency, the fourth
down efficiency, the winning the one score victories, if he
takes that Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes type of leap, he's
in the MVP conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He's in the top four conversation. Number six.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Matt Stafford's been that dude for well over a decade.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
As soon as he leaves Detroit, he goes to the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He gets better coaching, he gets a little better talent
around him, he gets a better system, and he gets
a ring in the playoffs. He's been a stud with McVeigh.
He's been a stud. And this one is still a
bit of the eye test. We'll see what the offensive
line is for the Rams this year. Left tackle's already hurt.
They've got some questions kind of across the board with
Humphreys there, but at his age, he needs good protection.
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But if he gets good protection, there's really no one
in the world that's better at throwing the football. Number five,
except for maybe my guy Justin Herbert, who I think
is very Matt Stafford esque and still, by the way,
on the exact same career trajectory as Peyton Manning. Big
year for Herbert with Harball, with the running game, with
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arguably the best tackle duo outside of Philadelphia in the NFL.
Five hundred plus pass attempts, three or fewer interceptions justin
Herbert last year. Aaron Rodgers give him more weapons, which
they did in the draft. The passing game produces even
more justin Herbert, absolute stud the fifth best quarterback in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Number four.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
This one I struggle with, but I'm giving it to
Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson statistically last year, him and Aaron
Rodgers only quarterbacks with more than forty passing touchdowns and
fewer than five interceptions. He was brilliant, but he didn't
win the MVP to Josh Allen. Once you get into
the top four, I think we are dealing with parsing
greatness among the guys in the postseason. And Lamar still
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has a losing record in the postseason. But he's a
first ballot Hall of Famer. Give him a ring. He
jumps up on the list. Number three. Joe Burrow. I'm
not going to knock him for his defense. Joe Burrow
had a losing record in games where his team scored
more than thirty points last year. It's an impossibility. He
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has a middle of their row defense. He's the MVP
of the league. Last year, his passer rating and losses
was one to eight point two, second highest passer rating
and losses ever for a quarterback lose eight or more games.
Joe Burrow third best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's very clearly,
Josh Allen. If it wasn't for Patrick Mahomes, it would
be universally accepted that this guy was the best in
the NFL. He's second to Mahomes and wins, the second
to Mahomes in passing yards. He's second to Mahomes in
passing touchdowns. In the last five seasons, this is your
second best quarterback. This is your second best player in football,
which frankly ruins the suspense for number one.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Number one.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Mahomes is still on that Brady track. Through eight seasons,
he's still there. Double digit win seasons, he's still on
the track. The Super Bowls, he's still on the track.
The regular season wins, he's ahead of him. The playoff wins,
he's ahead of him. The conference titles, he's ahead of
him super Bowls. He's even to him, Guy's going to
play football for another ten plus years, and that Brady
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conversation is going to start really picking up.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Give him that explosive offense back with.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
The Spagnolo's defense, He'll just add more to trophy case.
There's your top ten quarterbacks heading in to this season.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
What a perfect list, by the way.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't know though anyone could dispute anything on there,
except apparently Philly fans.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
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Speaker 2 (16:23):
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin and before we get
to Bruce Feldman, here in just a minute, we have
some pretty big news in the world of college football,
and that is that Dion Sanders has announced. We knew
that there was going to be a press conference with
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his medical team, but Dion Sanders has announced that while
he will be returning to Colorado this season, he had
cancer and he had to have a tumor removed from
his bladder, and his medical team says that the cancer
is gone. He lost twenty five pounds dealing with the
cancer and complications from the surgery. So that is obviously
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very scary news for Dion and the Sanders family, but
also very good news. If you can have a tumor
and have it be removed and have your doctors say
that the cancer did not spread and it's gone, right,
that's the there's like good versions of bad news. And thankfully,
Deon Sanders sounds like he got the best news possible
for a very very scary diagnosis. And so there was
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obviously some speculation as to what was going to go
on with his health scare and his situation because there
was a video that had been put out on his
Instagram about him needing to create a will, and Dion
is just so he's so vulnerable, and he's so public
and he's so emotional that he is you know, he's
so in the public eye, and he has these kids
interests at heart that you knew he was going to
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be public with these types of things, and so it's it's.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Good that this new.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know, when you hear he's doing a press conference
with his medical team, your mind goes into, all is
he stepping away?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is he okay?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Is this going to be an ongoing situation, which obviously
it still could be. You know, anyone who will tell
you, you know, once you have cancer, you'll get cancer screenings
and cancer tests for the rest of your life. But thankfully,
it sounds like, at least for now, that Dion Sanders
is good and on the other side of his surgery
and is getting ready to coach the Colorado Buffaloes this
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upcoming season. Who, by the way, I mean, let's be honest,
how is it going to be better than coaching your
her son who gets drafted into the NFL and coaching
Travis Hunter? So absolutely uh, you know, the fascinating football story.
He was linked to the Dallas Cowboys and NFL jobs
and bigger jobs there. Dion's success at multiple levels as
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a coach. You know, he's he's got the noise and
the sizzle to him, but he's also had the stake.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Did he win a bowl game?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
No, but the ability to take a program that was
in the situation that they were in and get it
to respectability and get a quarterback drafted and a Heisman
Trophy winner and all of the things that they've been
able to do. It's it's an impressive turnaround. And he's
great for college football, both for interest and based on
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the stories that come out of Boulder. He's great for
those kids in Colorado. So all the best of Dion
and there and the Sanders family. This is from the
press conference just moments ago, d and his doctors explaining
the procedure with a health update for Dion.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I discussed some options of treatment in the bladder, and
we discussed bladder removal as well. Given his commitments to
his family and to the team, elected to undergo a
bladder removal. We performed a full robot assisted labroscopic bladder
removal and creation of a new bladder, and I am
pleased to report that the results from the surgery are
that he is cured from the cancer.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Give a clap.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's okay, you can clap. What an awesome panover from
the very serious medical doctor be like we had to
remove his bladder and build a new bladder, and we're
thankful to report that there is no more cancer. Cut
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to Dion and a hat and small rope you can clap,
and normally the journalist and means like, yeah, we should.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Be clapping at press conferences.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That is an absolutely one hundred percent appropriate time to
clap at a press conference. And what an incredible panover
there was there for those of you watching on FS
one for Dion Sanders, because Dion is always going to
be Dion, but I would say, you know, Dion also
man the the content that he provides and the interest.
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He's one of the greatest athletes ever. Not football players,
not in his generation. He's just one of the greatest
athletes ever. So for that level of fame and cult
of personality to then make this transition to coaching and
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grind his way up from the lower levels to the
bigger levels and have the success and put kids into
the pros and clearly love it and be dedicated to
it is is really inspiring. It's like a really impressive thing.
And then you know, not to get too overly personal
with you here. But coming up in a few days,
I've got a big cancer fund that I'm doing on
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the radio in Chicago in partnership with the Cubs. After
I lost my brother to cancer, and I talked to
all of these patients and people who share their story
with cancer, because we all know that it's affected everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But when you get people.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Who are willing to be public with their journey, to
talk about that surgery, to talk about having a new bladder,
to talk about the weight loss, to talk about the
complications from surgery, and then to be in the public
eye going forward, it's not a stretch to say it's
obvious to say that it's inspiring. It's not a stretch
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to say that it can save lives, people getting checked,
people taking ownership of their health.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So good for Dion Man.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That is a very impressive thing to do, to be
able to be public about it and to be vulnerable
in those moments. So that's a coach. You know, he's
made a difference in those kids. He's made a difference
on the football field. And I had a poster at
Deon Sanders on the wall frankly, but it was the
type of thing where it's like, man, now you have
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this other human part of it. So good to know
that Dion will be back at Colorado this season and
we'll see how he could figure out a way to
move on from coaching his kid because he's not going
to coach the Browns and it doesn't look like Shador
is going to be playing quarterback for the Browns. But
now he gets to continue to build the legacy of
what he's doing coming up in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So it's a pretty impressive thing.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And we're all glad for the health update there on
Deon Sanders. We're going to push Bruce Feldman back just
a little bit. It looks like with some big news
here on Deon Sanders, we'll have him in just a
few minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
So to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
There was a story over the weekend with Shamar Stewart
and the Cincinnati Bengals. The coverage of this story has
bothered me, and I'll explain why because Shamar Stewart has
not been doing anything wrong and now he's signed his
contract and he's in And Shamar Stewart was middle first
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round pick for a terrible defense and a talented pass rusher,
and they needed shamar Stewart to get ready right and
they needed shamar Stewart to be there. Okay, fine, And
then the Bengals are like, we want to put language
into your contract that is not in any other first
round picks contract. It was not in our first round
picks contract for last year about what guarantees get voided
if you get in trouble for stuff that happens off
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the field. And shamar Stewart's agent was like, no, why
are you doing that to my client. Do you think
Shamar Stewart's going to get in trouble? And they're like no,
we just want to protect ourselves. And then the owner,
Mike Brown, came out and he said some version of
you know, I don't think I should have to pay
a guy if he's in prison. And he's like, well,
whoa do you think Shamar Stewart's a troublemaker? That's not
fair at all. He's like, I'm not even saying that.
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He's like, I just think that that's bad precedent. So
the Bengals are trying to set a precedent and Shamar
Stewart's agent does want to acquiesce to a precedent because
he's trying to sign next year's Shamar Stewart, right, He's like,
why would I get the next guy if I gave
up guarantees and protections that were collectively bargained and that
sort of thing. So and it ends up reportedly getting
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You got an extra five hundred grand on his signing
bonus early, and you know, they worked it out, and
it cost him a few days of training camp and
it cost him some bad headlines. The Bengals side of
this is an organization that has the perception of penny
pinching for a defense that was terrible after signing t
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Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow that has a
Super Bowl ready offense under contract in its prime. Why
would you nickel and dime with your first round pick?
What are you doing here? That is reasonable? Now, I'm
not sitting here and telling you it's not. But Trey
Hendrickson is not even with the Bengals in camp, and
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Trey Hendrickson wants to get paid like Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt,
and the Bengals are like, ah, your sack production is there,
but your overall production isn't. And you're not as crazy
of an athlete, and you are a great player on
a bad defense. Those guys have been on better defenses.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
And you're a.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Year older, and so we'll give you one year guarantees,
and he wants three years of guarantees. And so he
left camp and Trey Hendrickson has greatly outperformed his contract,
and so really all the Bengals have done now is
sign Shamar Stewart and change defensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
But here's how I feel about contracts. They are.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The lifeblood of these guys' careers because they play the
most violent sport with the least guarantees. Baseball contracts are guaranteed.
Basketball contracts are guaranteed, and the injury rate in football
is way higher than those other two sports in terms
of injuries that can end your career. So they are
fighting for every dollar they can get, and they know that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A team can cut them. Look what just happened with
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're like, well, something happened with Christian Wilkins and how
he's recovering from an injury. So we are going to
void your guarantees and you can file your grievance and
we'll see how it plays out, Maybe Christian Wilkins will win,
maybe the Raiders will win. But that's why these players
obviously fight for every dollar they can to be guaranteed.
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But and this is maybe a little fourth wall taking
you behind the curtain a little bit, But because the
NFL is so popular and everyone gambles on it and
everyone plays fantasy football on it, on shows like this,
it can drive the conversation in the way that regular
season basketball cans, that regular season baseball cans, that even
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playoff baseball sometimes can't depending on the markets and the
stars involved. So what's a good way in July to
get us to talk some NFL? Oh Man Terry McLaurin
and the Commanders are upset on their contract. Is Terry
McLaurin worth what aj Brown got? How can the Commanders
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pay Deebo Samuel but not Terry McLaurin. And then do
you know how the story always ends with the player
signing the contract All the time in a post leveon Bell,
NFL players don't miss games.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's incredibly rare.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Chris Jones missed one game and he had rings on
his finger and was dominated in a Super Bowl, and
he showed up to the game with his agents.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
On either side of him in the box. That was
a big.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Story, and he missed one game and the Chiefs won
the Super Bowl the year that he held out and
missed the game. Teams now have so much money and
there is so much money at stake for the players
that eventually you see in free agency the best players
in the biggest names don't leave in free agency anymore
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because basically every team can sign their guys.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
The Bengals are regarded as cheap.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I will be floored if they don't sign Trey Hendrickson,
and that means that the cheap Bengals will have signed
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins, and Trey Hendrickson all
to market deals at premium positions. So contracts have a
way of getting resolved, and players are supposed to be
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upset during the negotiation because the teams are supposed to
try to low ball them during the negotiation, and then
it eventually works out. Micah will be in Dallas, Hendrickson
will be in Cincinnati, McLaurin will be in Washington. And
is it necessary does it rankle some guys? No, It's
not necessary? Yes, and rankles guys but you know what,
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let's bygones be bygones. Getting thirty eight million dollars to
rush the passer have a tendency to forget, give, and
forget a little bit. So we had the breaking news
with Deon Sanders announcing that he had his bladder removed
to remove a cancerost tumor. So we have the Deon
Sanders Colorado news. Massive college football games that are happening
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in just a month, We've made it to football season.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Bruce Feldman next the Hurt.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 2 (31:33):
In on the Herd of Danny Parkins in for Colin
Cowherd today, Tomorrow and Wednesday. Huge news in the world
of college football, in the world of sports, because while
Deon Sanders is a fixture in college football, he's one
of the most famous athletes alive and one of the
greatest athletes alive. Announcing that he had his bladder removed
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because of a cancerous tumor that was on his bladder,
that announcement coming just moments ago. So it's a great
time to Welcome to the Herd, Bruce Felman, Fox Sports
college football reporter and New York Times best selling author.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Bruce, thank you very much for the time.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Obviously good news that the surgery was successful, but your
reaction to the Dion Sanders press conference with his whole
medical team there at Colorado.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Yeah, it's it's pretty jolting just to hear how serious
this was to have the bladder removed, to have it
was a cancerous tumor that was in there. They actually,
according to the doctors who were at the press conference,
they actually had the procedure done by robot. And when
one of the doctors was explaining kind of the process
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here when when Dion was diagnosed with it, it was
like he was told, with this kind of cancer, there's
a fifty percent chance of reoccurrence, and he wanted to
explore his other options, and so that became this to
basically have an new bladder built for him and have
the old one removed. I mean, it's crazy because in
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the course of this press conference, the doctor had said
this was his fourteenth surgery that he's had just in
the last four years, which is kind of mind blowing
that he's had that many procedures. I had seen him
at Big twelve media days earlier this month in Texas,
and he wasn't really back on the job at least
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in terms of back with his team, But talking to
him for a couple of minutes, you could tell that,
you know, something significant had happened. It wasn't like this
was a guy who was on vacation for a month
or went to Europe or anything. And even for the
people I know who are close to him, they you know,
they really kind of stressed something, you know, significant had happened.
And now to hear it, it's really eye opening.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, and it's courageous to be public with anything like that.
So that'll make a huge difference both for the kids
in the program, but just anyone who follows sports and
here's that sort of thing. So again, congrats on for
the positive medical news there and in what apparently was
a successful surgery. Football is so secondary here, but they
kind of took the college football world by storm with
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Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter, who are not there anymore.
How do you follow it up? What are you expecting
from Colorado this season?
Speaker 8 (34:19):
It's going to be I think a rebuild, not like
the rebuild that he and they had when they all
came from Jackson State and it was an awful program.
They had won one game the previous year, and he
made them respectable.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
They went from four wins in the first year to
nine wins in a top twenty five season last year.
But as you said, now, his star quarterback, who is
the leader of the offense, his son is in the NFL,
and the real star of the team, the guy who
won the Heisman, Travis Hunters in Jacksonville, and he was
such a two way force and a difference maker. I
think replacing not just the leadership but the star power
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of hey, we need a big play and those guys
could step up up and make it. We saw that
time and time again, especially with Travis Hunter. Those guys
are gone now. So you have new quarterbacks. Caden Salter,
who's played a lot more of a running quarterback from Liberty.
Juju Lewis is a seventeen year old quarterback who is
a big recruit. I think you'll see some version of
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a split. You'll see probably both quarterbacks play. There's I
think there's more talent in the trenches right now at
SEU than they had in Dion's first two years.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
I think they're.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
Probably a little more balanced across the board. I don't
think they have the wow players and the splash players,
certainly led by Travis, and they have a real tough
opener Georgia Tech has to come to Boulder. But this
is a really good team. I remember this is the
same team that took Georgia to like ten overtimes Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
They're good and they're physical. It is very much like
the same team, same style of team that.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Blue Colorado out Ny Alamobile, that bye team, really physical, punishing,
run game, very you know, very diverse in how they
attack you in the run game. And I think those
are the challenges that Colorado is going to have to
learn from and see if they're up to it, because
this is going to be a real physical test for
them right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Talking college football with Bruce Feldman, we are just over
a month from the two teams with the two best
title odds, Texas and Ohio State playing each other.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
An unbelievable way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
To start it off for those two powerhouse programs. Who
has the.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
Edge in this case, I'm going to say it's the
team that's the home team, which is Ohio State.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
You know, so many changes.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Obviously, both teams are replacing quarterbacks. You also have on
the Ohio State side, they have to replace both the
offensive and defensive coordinators. Ohio State lost, you know, pretty
much its entire d line, whereas whereas Texas lost four
of its five starters. Who are going to be in
front of Arch Manning. Now, I think it's a really
interesting chess match here between Steve sarkiz And and Arch Manning
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against Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator. Comes from
the NFL to the Big Ten. Now what I think
is a big help. In addition to it being a
home game for the Buckeyes, they have the best offensive
and the best defensive players in the country coming back.
Jeremiah Smith, who you're seeing all the highlights of now,
that great receiver. He's six three, two hundred and twenty
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five pounds and is unguardable. You have to double team them,
you may even have to triple team them. And then
on the other side of the ball, Caleb Downs is
a phenomenal safety who makes big plays all over the
field and is really a leader and probably the smartest
defensive player in college football. Those two guys are such
difference makers. I think that gives them a big advantage.
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And again, Texas is loaded. I think they're a top
five team, but with a rebuilt offensive line completely and
going into a real hostile environment and a team that
has such star power, I would give the edge, not
a huge one, but I would give the edge to
Ohio State at the start of the year at least.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, I can't believe Jeremiah Smith still can't enter the NFL.
The guy is an absolute beast. You mentioned the offensive
line in front of Arch Manning. You'll be asked this
a million times between now and the end of the year.
Do you expect him to be an NFL draft pick
at the end of this season?
Speaker 9 (38:22):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I think just knowing the Mannings and his parents a
little bit, I think they know that it's probably in
his best interest to keep getting reps and keep playing
and keep getting game action. Now it's a little different
these days compared to just you know, when his uncles
were playing, where the season could be a lot longer.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I mean, if Texas.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Is as good and does as well as I think
they're going to do, they're probably going to play sixteen games,
and that's a lot more than a twelve game schedule.
There's also more injury risk with a longer stretch. I mean,
he only started two games though last year. He's played some,
but not a lot. And I think just to be
a one year starter. Even if everything goes great and
let's say he leads them to a national title and
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they go fifteen to one and win a national title,
I still think there's going to be some you know,
hesitation about is he ready? Is it in his best
interest to jump into the NFL?
Speaker 9 (39:19):
You know?
Speaker 8 (39:19):
And I talked to Cooper Manning his dad a couple
months ago. One of the things we talked about was just,
you know, he brought up about when you're ready. You know,
he's seen so many examples of, especially in the NFL,
quarterbacks who might not be as ready as they could
be getting thrown under the bus pretty quick because the
process doesn't doesn't wait, doesn't have much patience.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
But I think he's super talented.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Everybody I talked to at Texas raves about his football intelligence.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
He's really athletic. I think he's in a really good position.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
It's just I think time is something that's you know,
you can't put a price on that. I just think
that maybe the ad reps of being a two year
starter probably would help his long term development. But you know,
let's see, we don't have a crystal ball. We're just
kind of just kind of going on how we think
the process will play out for him.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
All Right, I gotta do this quickly.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I feel like, I, oh, it's a Colin cowher since
he's letting me sit in this seat. What do you
make of this idea of Nick Saban maybe not being
done coaching and if he is better suited nowadays for
the NFL than college.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Man he's got to be seventy four in a couple
of months. I just I think he is, even if
he's tempted to look at the NFL. Look, you know,
Pete Carroll's around the same age, and he's in Las Vegas,
and he's got a ton of energy.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
Saban seems to have a ton of energy.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
I know from the conversations he had when he walked
away at Alabama, it was it was all the things
going around the sport and the way everything's run, just
he didn't need it anymore.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
He seems like he's doing a really good job in TV.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
I just think if he's going to jump back into it,
you know, that's not just him, that's him and his
wife who have to, you know, make that decision. I'd
still be very surprised, being in his mid seventies, if
he decided to come back to the grind that is coaching.
Even if it's in the NFL. You have more of
an offseason than you do as a college coach.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Bruce Feldman, football college football reporter for Fox Sports and
New York Times best selling author, Thank you so much
for the time on a big news day in college football.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Thank you, Bruce, Thank you Danny.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I love that theory from Colin. He's like, it's it's
not even a good well kept secret. Nick Saban in
the NFL, I'm like, I didn't know that secret. Someone
kept that secret for me. That would be a massive story.
How about him and Bill Belichick on the same staff
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Let's go just old.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Timers, bring it back together, recreate that documentary.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
It'd be a good story.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I wouldn't hire him to coach my team, but i'd
want them to coach a team in the NFL. Thanks
to Bruce Feldman and again congrats to Dion Sanders on
a positive health update from a very very serious health situation.
But coming up, there's another Lebron story on the Internet,
but I don't think it's exactly how people are making
it out to be.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
He's not trying to push his way to Denver.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And yes it is an inevitability for Micah Parsons to
get paid. I think I have tracked with Jerry Jones's code.
It's all coming up on The Herd
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio our number two. Danny
parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Danny Parket's from a new
soon to be expanded First things first, that is still surreal.
Chris brassardle join next hour. Mine now teammate on first
things first. Unbelievably exciting. It's really cool to be in
(00:45):
for Colin. I appreciate everyone allowing me to do it.
One down, two to go. Bruce Feldman will join us
in twenty minutes. How many teams have a legit shot
at the national championship and were the College Football.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Playoff goes from here?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But I know I'm not very popular in Philadelphia because
when you do these jobs, you end up talking about
the best teams and the best quarterbacks and the best
coaches and anything short of it's the greatest I've ever seen.
Is apparently blasphemous and Eagles fans are awesome. Right, You're insane,
You're passionate, you defend your guy, you should. Everyone's playing
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the correct role here. But I just look at this
and I ask, what is enough? Because here's everything I've
said publicly and we'll say again about Jalen Hurts and
the Philadelphia Eagles. They are the best organization in the NFL,
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with the best offensive line in the NFL, with the
best running back in the NFL, with a top three
wide receiver duo in the NFL, with a top three
defensive tackle in the NFL, with a top linebacker and
a top young secondary, and a top general manager. Do
I also have to believe that you have a top
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five quarterback?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Do I also have to believe that Nick Siriani is
the best coach in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's like enough that no amount of praise is enough,
because I think Jalen Hurts is the tenth best quarterback
in the NFL, who is clutch, is a great leader,
and is unbelievably smart. Jalen Hurts having nine different play
callers over nine years spanning back to college, speaks incredibly
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highly to his football character and his football intelligence.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Playing not one, but two not good but great super
Bowls obviously is incredibly valuable.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
No one would deny any of it. Clutch smart leader.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
But I also think it's totally reasonable to say that
the guy who was twenty second in the NFL in
past attempts last year is propped up by the system
at which he plays in and the guys around him,
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and by the way anybody would be.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
If you got to throw to Devonte Smith and aj.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Brown and be protected by Lane Johnson and Jordan Mylatta
and hand the ball off to Saquon Barkley, that's pretty good.
Anybody would want to be in that situation. Patrick Mahome
would want to be in that situation. Josh Allen would
want to be in that situation. Lamar Jackson, anybody in
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the league would want to be in that situation. And
the Eagles could have Carson Wentz on the verge of
being an MVP.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Now he's a backup in the league.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
He gets hurt and Nick Foles wins a Super Bowl
like they were in a Super Bowl with a different
coach and a different quarterback, and then a different quarterback
and then a different coach, and now it's Jalen Hurts again.
It's an unbelievable organization. I would argue the best organization.
But for some reason, the pushback then becomes, oh, so
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you're saying you'd rather Jalen Hurts throw for four thousand
yards and forty touchdowns than just win. Not if I'm
an Eagles fan, obviously not. But if I'm evaluating a quarterback,
then yeah, that is exactly what I'm saying. The primary
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job of the quarterback is to throw the ball. You
would say, no, it's to win. No, it isn't. Winning
is a team concept. Quarterback wins are not a quarterback stat.
But if you want to make it a quarterback stat,
I'm your huckleberry. Let's play the game. Let's show the
company that Jalen Hurts keeps among winners, and then the
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amount of passing touchdowns that they have. Because he wins,
including the playoffs since twenty twenty one, at a clip
higher than Lamar, higher than Allen, lower than Mahomes, he
wins at a clip second best in the NFL. But
for passing touchdowns. For those guys at that clip, Lamar
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Jackson one h five, Josh Allen one forty eight, Patrick
Mahomes one sixty, Jalen Hurts eighty nine, and then he's
got a ton of rushing touchdowns from the one yard line.
And so then you said, well, Danny, no one's saying
that he's better than Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or
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Patrick Mahomes. Okay, but there is what he does to
contribute to the winning and again leader, smart, clutch, durable,
all incredibly valuable things. But a general manager once said
his job is summed up very simply. It's very difficult
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to do, but it's summed up simply evaluate the individual.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Within the concept of the team.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Like if you're the best a deep ball wide receiver,
but you've got a quarterback with a noodle arm, tough
to really prove it.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Or if you're the best.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Deep ball receiver but you got an offensive line that
can't pass block, tough to give your quarterback enough time
for the route to develop for you to really prove it.
It is a complimentary game. We all understand that. Philly
fans understand that. But it's like I have to say
that he's a top five quarterback with a top five
coach if they are really that well then it's the
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best team in the history of the NFL. And I
don't think anybody looks at Philly that way. They are
very good. They were very dominant. They started two and two,
they started throwing less and running more, and they basically
ran the table. One lost the rest of the way,
and they bludgeoned people except for the Rams throughout the postseason.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
That is a.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Really reasonable resume for a great team and a very
good quarterback. It's tough for me to say that Jalen
Hurts is better than Matt Stafford. It's just hard for
me to do because when I watched them play and
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I see one guy sling it all over the field
and the team's success is predicated on him sling it
all all over the field, I believe that that guy
is the better quarterback, not the better runner, not even
necessarily the better leader. But that's what I think Eagles
fans miss in this conversation. It's not a knock on
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Jalen Hurts. It's a compliment to your organization that you
can be that dominant with a very good quarterback. It
is a compliment. It's not a knock on Hurts. He
deserves all his money Eagles fans should love him. Eagles
fans should want to trade Jalen Hurts for no one.
But you gotta admit, if Howie Roseman got the phone call, hey,
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Justin Herbert for Jalen Hurts, does anyone actually think Howie
Roseman would say no?
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Does anyone believe it? Do you say it?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You say, well, Justin Herbert had four interceptions and he's
got two losses in a playoff gamp Oh, does anyone
really believe it that trade is proposed Herbert for Hurts?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Who says no?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Because I don't think Jim Harbaugh is leaving Michigan to
go coach Jalen Hurts. I think most people who evaluate
it watch it would stay. Yeah, he doesn't have the
playoff success, but he also hasn't had the quality organization
and line and receivers and defense and everything that Jalen
Hurts has.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And so maybe it's.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Impossible for Jalen Hurts to be regarded as the best
quarterback because he has such a super team around him.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Oh well, that's life.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You still have a couple hundred million bucks and a
couple of Super Bowl appearances and a Super Bowl ring,
and you can shut everybody up by continuing to win.
So everyone I think is playing their role correctly here.
I just don't have I don't believe that they also
have the best coach and the best quarterback and everything
on their team is the best in the NFL. I
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think some of their elements are the best, and it
props everything else up. Speaking of rankings, let's do it
for the sake of the exercise. Top ten quarterbacks in
the NFL heading into the twenty twenty five NFL season,
Number ten, Jalen Hurts I said it and I mean it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He was like, you gotta give it more credit for
winning the Super Bowl. I am. He was outside of
my top ten last year. Mispoiler alert. He's ahead of
Dak Prescott. He wasn't this time last season.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Jalen Hurts great leader, clutch, perfect for that team in
that system, but not asked to do nearly as much
for his team's success as the guys nine through one
on my list.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Number nine.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
The Bake Show, Baker Mayfield is the poster child for patience.
We'll see what Bryce Young ends up being in Carolina,
but Baker Mayfield, man, they haven't figured it out in Carolina.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
They haven't figured it out in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
This guy the last two seasons comfortably inside the top ten.
He's first in passing touchdowns, second in passing yards, fourth
in passer rating, and sixth in yards per attempt.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Baker Mayfield all the respects.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Number eight Jared Goff, like Jalen Hurts, has a ton
around him, no.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But doing it with two different franchises, with the Rams
to a super Bowl and now the Lions as perennial
contenders year in and year out matters. And last year,
I mean, career highs in points per game, thirty three
completion percentage, passing, touchdown, passer rating, yards per attempt and
oh yeah, by the way, wins Jared Goff's stud and
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he's playing up to the billing of being the number
one overall pick. Number seven. It's the best rookie season
I've ever seen. Jaden Daniels is the guy on this
list who at the end that top four is just
so ironclad. It's like Mount Rushmore, Hey, you know we
should do that as a sports radio hook.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Mount Rushmore? Has anyone ever thought of that?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
But if there was a guy outside of the top
four who could jump in If Jaden Daniels builds on
a rookie season with the third down efficiency, the fourth
down efficiency, the winning the one score victories, if he
takes that Lamar Jackson Patrick Mahomes type of leap, he's
in the MVP conversation.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
He's in the top four conversation. Number six.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Matt Stafford's been that dude for well over a decade.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
As soon as he leaves Detroit, he goes to the Rams.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
He gets better coaching, he gets a little better talent
around him, he gets a better system, and he gets
a ring in the playoffs. He's been a stud with McVeigh.
He's been a stud. And this one is still a
bit of the eye test. We'll see what the offensive
line is for the Rams this year. Left tackle's already hurt.
They've got some questions kind of across the board with
Humphreys there, but at his age, he needs good protection.
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But if he gets good protection, there's really no one
in the world that's better at throwing the football. Number five,
except for maybe my guy Justin Herbert, who I think
is very Matt Stafford esque and still, by the way,
on the exact same career trajectory as Peyton Manning. Big
year for Herbert with Harball, with the running game, with
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arguably the best tackle duo outside of Philadelphia in the NFL.
Five hundred plus pass attempts, three or fewer interceptions justin
Herbert last year. Aaron Rodgers give him more weapons, which
they did in the draft. The passing game produces even
more justin Herbert, absolute stud the fifth best quarterback in
the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Number four.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
This one I struggle with, but I'm giving it to
Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson statistically last year, him and Aaron
Rodgers only quarterbacks with more than forty passing touchdowns and
fewer than five interceptions. He was brilliant, but he didn't
win the MVP to Josh Allen. Once you get into
the top four, I think we are dealing with parsing
greatness among the guys in the postseason. And Lamar still
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has a losing record in the postseason. But he's a
first ballot Hall of Famer. Give him a ring. He
jumps up on the list. Number three. Joe Burrow. I'm
not going to knock him for his defense. Joe Burrow
had a losing record in games where his team scored
more than thirty points last year. It's an impossibility. He
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has a middle of their row defense. He's the MVP
of the league. Last year, his passer rating and losses
was one to eight point two, second highest passer rating
and losses ever for a quarterback lose eight or more games.
Joe Burrow third best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Number two.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I've said it before, I'll say it again. It's very clearly,
Josh Allen. If it wasn't for Patrick Mahomes, it would
be universally accepted that this guy was the best in
the NFL. He's second to Mahomes and wins, the second
to Mahomes in passing yards. He's second to Mahomes in
passing touchdowns. In the last five seasons, this is your
second best quarterback. This is your second best player in football,
which frankly ruins the suspense for number one.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Number one.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Mahomes is still on that Brady track. Through eight seasons,
he's still there. Double digit win seasons, he's still on
the track. The Super Bowls, he's still on the track.
The regular season wins, he's ahead of him. The playoff wins,
he's ahead of him. The conference titles, he's ahead of
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Speaker 2 (15:57):
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What a perfect list, by the way.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I don't know though anyone could dispute anything on there,
except apparently Philly fans.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
All right.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Coming up, realistic expectations for Bill Belichick this season. Nick
Saban Collins says he's going to.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
The NFL as he closed the door on coaching.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Wes Bruce Feldman, Fox Sports College Football Insider.
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Speaker 3 (17:42):
Welcome back in to the Herd.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin and before we get
to Bruce Feldman, here in just a minute, we have
some pretty big news in the world of college football,
and that is that Dion Sanders has announced. We knew
that there was going to be a press conference with
(18:05):
his medical team, but Dion Sanders has announced that while
he will be returning to Colorado this season, he had
cancer and he had to have a tumor removed from
his bladder, and his medical team says that the cancer
is gone. He lost twenty five pounds dealing with the
cancer and complications from the surgery. So that is obviously
(18:32):
very scary news for Dion and the Sanders family, but
also very good news. If you can have a tumor
and have it be removed and have your doctors say
that the cancer did not spread and it's gone, right,
that's the there's like good versions of bad news. And thankfully,
Deon Sanders sounds like he got the best news possible
for a very very scary diagnosis. And so there was
(18:54):
obviously some speculation as to what was going to go
on with his health scare and his situation because there
was a video that had been put out on his
Instagram about him needing to create a will, and Dion
is just so he's so vulnerable, and he's so public
and he's so emotional that he is you know, he's
so in the public eye, and he has these kids
interests at heart that you knew he was going to
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be public with these types of things, and so it's it's.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Good that this new.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know, when you hear he's doing a press conference
with his medical team, your mind goes into, all is
he stepping away?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is he okay?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Is this going to be an ongoing situation, which obviously
it still could be. You know, anyone who will tell
you, you know, once you have cancer, you'll get cancer screenings
and cancer tests for the rest of your life. But thankfully,
it sounds like, at least for now, that Dion Sanders
is good and on the other side of his surgery
and is getting ready to coach the Colorado Buffaloes this
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upcoming season. Who, by the way, I mean, let's be honest,
how is it going to be better than coaching your
her son who gets drafted into the NFL and coaching
Travis Hunter? So absolutely uh, you know, the fascinating football story.
He was linked to the Dallas Cowboys and NFL jobs
and bigger jobs there. Dion's success at multiple levels as
(20:15):
a coach. You know, he's he's got the noise and
the sizzle to him, but he's also had the stake.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Did he win a bowl game?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
No, but the ability to take a program that was
in the situation that they were in and get it
to respectability and get a quarterback drafted and a Heisman
Trophy winner and all of the things that they've been
able to do. It's it's an impressive turnaround. And he's
great for college football, both for interest and based on
(20:47):
the stories that come out of Boulder. He's great for
those kids in Colorado. So all the best of Dion
and there and the Sanders family. This is from the
press conference just moments ago, d and his doctors explaining
the procedure with a health update for Dion.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
I discussed some options of treatment in the bladder, and
we discussed bladder removal as well. Given his commitments to
his family and to the team, elected to undergo a
bladder removal. We performed a full robot assisted labroscopic bladder
removal and creation of a new bladder, and I am
pleased to report that the results from the surgery are
that he is cured from the cancer.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Give a clap.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's okay, you can clap. What an awesome panover from
the very serious medical doctor be like we had to
remove his bladder and build a new bladder, and we're
thankful to report that there is no more cancer. Cut
(21:50):
to Dion and a hat and small rope you can clap,
and normally the journalist and means like, yeah, we should.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Be clapping at press conferences.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
That is an absolutely one hundred percent appropriate time to
clap at a press conference. And what an incredible panover
there was there for those of you watching on FS
one for Dion Sanders, because Dion is always going to
be Dion, but I would say, you know, Dion also
man the the content that he provides and the interest.
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He's one of the greatest athletes ever. Not football players,
not in his generation. He's just one of the greatest
athletes ever. So for that level of fame and cult
of personality to then make this transition to coaching and
(22:39):
grind his way up from the lower levels to the
bigger levels and have the success and put kids into
the pros and clearly love it and be dedicated to
it is is really inspiring. It's like a really impressive thing.
And then you know, not to get too overly personal
with you here. But coming up in a few days,
I've got a big cancer fund that I'm doing on
(23:01):
the radio in Chicago in partnership with the Cubs. After
I lost my brother to cancer, and I talked to
all of these patients and people who share their story
with cancer, because we all know that it's affected everybody.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
But when you get people.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Who are willing to be public with their journey, to
talk about that surgery, to talk about having a new bladder,
to talk about the weight loss, to talk about the
complications from surgery, and then to be in the public
eye going forward, it's not a stretch to say it's
obvious to say that it's inspiring. It's not a stretch
(23:41):
to say that it can save lives, people getting checked,
people taking ownership of their health.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So good for Dion Man.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
That is a very impressive thing to do, to be
able to be public about it and to be vulnerable
in those moments. So that's a coach. You know, he's
made a difference in those kids. He's made a difference
on the football field. And I had a poster at
Deon Sanders on the wall frankly, but it was the
type of thing where it's like, man, now you have
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this other human part of it. So good to know
that Dion will be back at Colorado this season and
we'll see how he could figure out a way to
move on from coaching his kid because he's not going
to coach the Browns and it doesn't look like Shador
is going to be playing quarterback for the Browns. But
now he gets to continue to build the legacy of
what he's doing coming up in Colorado.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So it's a pretty impressive thing.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
And we're all glad for the health update there on
Deon Sanders. We're going to push Bruce Feldman back just
a little bit. It looks like with some big news
here on Deon Sanders, we'll have him in just a
few minutes.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
So to the NFL.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
There was a story over the weekend with Shamar Stewart
and the Cincinnati Bengals. The coverage of this story has
bothered me, and I'll explain why because Shamar Stewart has
not been doing anything wrong and now he's signed his
contract and he's in And Shamar Stewart was middle first
(25:11):
round pick for a terrible defense and a talented pass rusher,
and they needed shamar Stewart to get ready right and
they needed shamar Stewart to be there. Okay, fine, And
then the Bengals are like, we want to put language
into your contract that is not in any other first
round picks contract. It was not in our first round
picks contract for last year about what guarantees get voided
if you get in trouble for stuff that happens off
(25:32):
the field. And shamar Stewart's agent was like, no, why
are you doing that to my client. Do you think
Shamar Stewart's going to get in trouble? And they're like no,
we just want to protect ourselves. And then the owner,
Mike Brown, came out and he said some version of
you know, I don't think I should have to pay
a guy if he's in prison. And he's like, well,
whoa do you think Shamar Stewart's a troublemaker? That's not
fair at all. He's like, I'm not even saying that.
(25:53):
He's like, I just think that that's bad precedent. So
the Bengals are trying to set a precedent and Shamar
Stewart's agent does want to acquiesce to a precedent because
he's trying to sign next year's Shamar Stewart, right, He's like,
why would I get the next guy if I gave
up guarantees and protections that were collectively bargained and that
sort of thing. So and it ends up reportedly getting
(26:16):
You got an extra five hundred grand on his signing
bonus early, and you know, they worked it out, and
it cost him a few days of training camp and
it cost him some bad headlines. The Bengals side of
this is an organization that has the perception of penny
pinching for a defense that was terrible after signing t
(26:37):
Higgins and Jamar Chase and Joe Burrow that has a
Super Bowl ready offense under contract in its prime. Why
would you nickel and dime with your first round pick?
What are you doing here? That is reasonable? Now, I'm
not sitting here and telling you it's not. But Trey
Hendrickson is not even with the Bengals in camp, and
(26:59):
Trey Hendrickson wants to get paid like Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt,
and the Bengals are like, ah, your sack production is there,
but your overall production isn't. And you're not as crazy
of an athlete, and you are a great player on
a bad defense. Those guys have been on better defenses.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
And you're a.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Year older, and so we'll give you one year guarantees,
and he wants three years of guarantees. And so he
left camp and Trey Hendrickson has greatly outperformed his contract,
and so really all the Bengals have done now is
sign Shamar Stewart and change defensive coordinators.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
But here's how I feel about contracts. They are.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
The lifeblood of these guys' careers because they play the
most violent sport with the least guarantees. Baseball contracts are guaranteed.
Basketball contracts are guaranteed, and the injury rate in football
is way higher than those other two sports in terms
of injuries that can end your career. So they are
fighting for every dollar they can get, and they know that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
A team can cut them. Look what just happened with
the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're like, well, something happened with Christian Wilkins and how
he's recovering from an injury. So we are going to
void your guarantees and you can file your grievance and
we'll see how it plays out, Maybe Christian Wilkins will win,
maybe the Raiders will win. But that's why these players
obviously fight for every dollar they can to be guaranteed.
(28:29):
But and this is maybe a little fourth wall taking
you behind the curtain a little bit, But because the
NFL is so popular and everyone gambles on it and
everyone plays fantasy football on it, on shows like this,
it can drive the conversation in the way that regular
season basketball cans, that regular season baseball cans, that even
(28:51):
playoff baseball sometimes can't depending on the markets and the
stars involved. So what's a good way in July to
get us to talk some NFL? Oh Man Terry McLaurin
and the Commanders are upset on their contract. Is Terry
McLaurin worth what aj Brown got? How can the Commanders
(29:12):
pay Deebo Samuel but not Terry McLaurin. And then do
you know how the story always ends with the player
signing the contract All the time in a post leveon Bell,
NFL players don't miss games.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
It's incredibly rare.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Chris Jones missed one game and he had rings on
his finger and was dominated in a Super Bowl, and
he showed up to the game with his agents.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
On either side of him in the box. That was
a big.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Story, and he missed one game and the Chiefs won
the Super Bowl the year that he held out and
missed the game. Teams now have so much money and
there is so much money at stake for the players
that eventually you see in free agency the best players
in the biggest names don't leave in free agency anymore
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because basically every team can sign their guys.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
The Bengals are regarded as cheap.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I will be floored if they don't sign Trey Hendrickson,
and that means that the cheap Bengals will have signed
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins, and Trey Hendrickson all
to market deals at premium positions. So contracts have a
way of getting resolved, and players are supposed to be
(30:32):
upset during the negotiation because the teams are supposed to
try to low ball them during the negotiation, and then
it eventually works out. Micah will be in Dallas, Hendrickson
will be in Cincinnati, McLaurin will be in Washington. And
is it necessary does it rankle some guys? No, It's
not necessary? Yes, and rankles guys but you know what,
(30:53):
let's bygones be bygones. Getting thirty eight million dollars to
rush the passer have a tendency to forget, give, and
forget a little bit. So we had the breaking news
with Deon Sanders announcing that he had his bladder removed
to remove a cancerost tumor. So we have the Deon
Sanders Colorado news. Massive college football games that are happening
(31:14):
in just a month, We've made it to football season.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Bruce Feldman next the Hurt.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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FS one and the iHeartRadio app Back.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
In on the Herd of Danny Parkins in for Colin
Cowherd today, Tomorrow and Wednesday. Huge news in the world
of college football, in the world of sports, because while
Deon Sanders is a fixture in college football, he's one
of the most famous athletes alive and one of the
greatest athletes alive. Announcing that he had his bladder removed
(31:55):
because of a cancerous tumor that was on his bladder,
that announcement coming just moments ago. So it's a great
time to Welcome to the Herd, Bruce Felman, Fox Sports
college football reporter and New York Times best selling author.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Bruce, thank you very much for the time.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Obviously good news that the surgery was successful, but your
reaction to the Dion Sanders press conference with his whole
medical team there at Colorado.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
Yeah, it's it's pretty jolting just to hear how serious
this was to have the bladder removed, to have it
was a cancerous tumor that was in there. They actually,
according to the doctors who were at the press conference,
they actually had the procedure done by robot. And when
one of the doctors was explaining kind of the process
(32:45):
here when when Dion was diagnosed with it, it was
like he was told, with this kind of cancer, there's
a fifty percent chance of reoccurrence, and he wanted to
explore his other options, and so that became this to
basically have an new bladder built for him and have
the old one removed. I mean, it's crazy because in
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the course of this press conference, the doctor had said
this was his fourteenth surgery that he's had just in
the last four years, which is kind of mind blowing
that he's had that many procedures. I had seen him
at Big twelve media days earlier this month in Texas,
and he wasn't really back on the job at least
(33:27):
in terms of back with his team, But talking to
him for a couple of minutes, you could tell that,
you know, something significant had happened. It wasn't like this
was a guy who was on vacation for a month
or went to Europe or anything. And even for the
people I know who are close to him, they you know,
they really kind of stressed something, you know, significant had happened.
And now to hear it, it's really eye opening.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, and it's courageous to be public with anything like that.
So that'll make a huge difference both for the kids
in the program, but just anyone who follows sports and
here's that sort of thing. So again, congrats on for
the positive medical news there and in what apparently was
a successful surgery. Football is so secondary here, but they
kind of took the college football world by storm with
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Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter, who are not there anymore.
How do you follow it up? What are you expecting
from Colorado this season?
Speaker 8 (34:19):
It's going to be I think a rebuild, not like
the rebuild that he and they had when they all
came from Jackson State and it was an awful program.
They had won one game the previous year, and he
made them respectable.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
They went from four wins in the first year to
nine wins in a top twenty five season last year.
But as you said, now, his star quarterback, who is
the leader of the offense, his son is in the NFL,
and the real star of the team, the guy who
won the Heisman, Travis Hunters in Jacksonville, and he was
such a two way force and a difference maker. I
think replacing not just the leadership but the star power
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of hey, we need a big play and those guys
could step up up and make it. We saw that
time and time again, especially with Travis Hunter. Those guys
are gone now. So you have new quarterbacks. Caden Salter,
who's played a lot more of a running quarterback from Liberty.
Juju Lewis is a seventeen year old quarterback who is
a big recruit. I think you'll see some version of
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a split. You'll see probably both quarterbacks play. There's I
think there's more talent in the trenches right now at
SEU than they had in Dion's first two years.
Speaker 9 (35:28):
I think they're.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
Probably a little more balanced across the board. I don't
think they have the wow players and the splash players,
certainly led by Travis, and they have a real tough
opener Georgia Tech has to come to Boulder. But this
is a really good team. I remember this is the
same team that took Georgia to like ten overtimes Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
They're good and they're physical. It is very much like
the same team, same style of team that.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Blue Colorado out Ny Alamobile, that bye team, really physical, punishing,
run game, very you know, very diverse in how they
attack you in the run game. And I think those
are the challenges that Colorado is going to have to
learn from and see if they're up to it, because
this is going to be a real physical test for
them right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Talking college football with Bruce Feldman, we are just over
a month from the two teams with the two best
title odds, Texas and Ohio State playing each other.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
An unbelievable way.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
To start it off for those two powerhouse programs. Who
has the.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
Edge in this case, I'm going to say it's the
team that's the home team, which is Ohio State.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
You know, so many changes.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Obviously, both teams are replacing quarterbacks. You also have on
the Ohio State side, they have to replace both the
offensive and defensive coordinators. Ohio State lost, you know, pretty
much its entire d line, whereas whereas Texas lost four
of its five starters. Who are going to be in
front of Arch Manning. Now, I think it's a really
interesting chess match here between Steve sarkiz And and Arch Manning
(37:04):
against Matt Patricia, who's now the defensive coordinator. Comes from
the NFL to the Big Ten. Now what I think
is a big help. In addition to it being a
home game for the Buckeyes, they have the best offensive
and the best defensive players in the country coming back.
Jeremiah Smith, who you're seeing all the highlights of now,
that great receiver. He's six three, two hundred and twenty
(37:26):
five pounds and is unguardable. You have to double team them,
you may even have to triple team them. And then
on the other side of the ball, Caleb Downs is
a phenomenal safety who makes big plays all over the
field and is really a leader and probably the smartest
defensive player in college football. Those two guys are such
difference makers. I think that gives them a big advantage.
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And again, Texas is loaded. I think they're a top
five team, but with a rebuilt offensive line completely and
going into a real hostile environment and a team that
has such star power, I would give the edge, not
a huge one, but I would give the edge to
Ohio State at the start of the year at least.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, I can't believe Jeremiah Smith still can't enter the NFL.
The guy is an absolute beast. You mentioned the offensive
line in front of Arch Manning. You'll be asked this
a million times between now and the end of the year.
Do you expect him to be an NFL draft pick
at the end of this season?
Speaker 9 (38:22):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
I think just knowing the Mannings and his parents a
little bit, I think they know that it's probably in
his best interest to keep getting reps and keep playing
and keep getting game action. Now it's a little different
these days compared to just you know, when his uncles
were playing, where the season could be a lot longer.
Speaker 9 (38:43):
I mean, if Texas.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
Is as good and does as well as I think
they're going to do, they're probably going to play sixteen games,
and that's a lot more than a twelve game schedule.
There's also more injury risk with a longer stretch. I mean,
he only started two games though last year. He's played some,
but not a lot. And I think just to be
a one year starter. Even if everything goes great and
let's say he leads them to a national title and
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they go fifteen to one and win a national title,
I still think there's going to be some you know,
hesitation about is he ready? Is it in his best
interest to jump into the NFL?
Speaker 9 (39:19):
You know?
Speaker 8 (39:19):
And I talked to Cooper Manning his dad a couple
months ago. One of the things we talked about was just,
you know, he brought up about when you're ready. You know,
he's seen so many examples of, especially in the NFL,
quarterbacks who might not be as ready as they could
be getting thrown under the bus pretty quick because the
process doesn't doesn't wait, doesn't have much patience.
Speaker 9 (39:42):
But I think he's super talented.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Everybody I talked to at Texas raves about his football intelligence.
Speaker 9 (39:48):
He's really athletic. I think he's in a really good position.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
It's just I think time is something that's you know,
you can't put a price on that. I just think
that maybe the ad reps of being a two year
starter probably would help his long term development. But you know,
let's see, we don't have a crystal ball. We're just
kind of just kind of going on how we think
the process will play out for him.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
All Right, I gotta do this quickly.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I feel like, I, oh, it's a Colin cowher since
he's letting me sit in this seat. What do you
make of this idea of Nick Saban maybe not being
done coaching and if he is better suited nowadays for
the NFL than college.
Speaker 8 (40:29):
Man he's got to be seventy four in a couple
of months. I just I think he is, even if
he's tempted to look at the NFL. Look, you know,
Pete Carroll's around the same age, and he's in Las Vegas,
and he's got a ton of energy.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
Saban seems to have a ton of energy.
Speaker 8 (40:44):
I know from the conversations he had when he walked
away at Alabama, it was it was all the things
going around the sport and the way everything's run, just
he didn't need it anymore.
Speaker 9 (40:57):
He seems like he's doing a really good job in TV.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
I just think if he's going to jump back into it,
you know, that's not just him, that's him and his
wife who have to, you know, make that decision. I'd
still be very surprised, being in his mid seventies, if
he decided to come back to the grind that is coaching.
Even if it's in the NFL. You have more of
an offseason than you do as a college coach.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Bruce Feldman, football college football reporter for Fox Sports and
New York Times best selling author, Thank you so much
for the time on a big news day in college football.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Thank you, Bruce, Thank you Danny.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I love that theory from Colin. He's like, it's it's
not even a good well kept secret. Nick Saban in
the NFL, I'm like, I didn't know that secret. Someone
kept that secret for me. That would be a massive story.
How about him and Bill Belichick on the same staff
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Let's go just old.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Timers, bring it back together, recreate that documentary.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
It'd be a good story.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
I wouldn't hire him to coach my team, but i'd
want them to coach a team in the NFL. Thanks
to Bruce Feldman and again congrats to Dion Sanders on
a positive health update from a very very serious health situation.
But coming up, there's another Lebron story on the Internet,
but I don't think it's exactly how people are making
it out to be.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
He's not trying to push his way to Denver.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
And yes it is an inevitability for Micah Parsons to
get paid. I think I have tracked with Jerry Jones's code.
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