July 29, 2025 • 42 mins
Danny lists his Top 10 NFL Teams
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
I'm Danny Parkins from FS one and soon to be
First Things First, coming at you from La. I'll be
in for Colin tomorrow from Chicago. We have Nick right
at First Things First joining us for his normal apherance
coming up in just a couple of minutes, which is
truly surreal, I would say for both of us, given
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that the first time we ever hosted together was doing
a Syracuse Providence basketball postgame show on w a R
in college Radio. We'll have some fun coming up in
about five minutes, where I assume Nick will just agree
with every brilliant thing that I say and we'll keep
it moving or not. But before we get to Nick,
we will begin with my top ten teams heading in
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to the upcoming football season, because if not now, when
and we'll see if Philip burg tay to feel a
little better. Number ten, it's the Chargers of Los Angeles.
You know what I think of Justin Herbert, you know
what everyone thinks of Jim Harbaugh. Did you know they
were the number one scoring defense in the NFL last year.
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If they just get a little bit more explosive on offense,
and I think Hampton and Harris, their two draft picks
will help, and year two under Harball will help they
take the leap offensively. They get a little bit of
health luck, which every team needs. The Chargers. I expect
them back in the playoffs, and maybe he'd be rising
up this list over the course of the season. Number
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nine the Washington Commanders. I think, better team, worse record,
nine to one score victories last season. Jaden Daniels is
a superstar. I like the Tunsil addition. We'll see about
Debo and how he fits. I don't know if you
can win that many close games again, but I think
they got the right coach, the right quarterback. Obviously, a
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tough division with Philly and Dallas will be better. I
think they're a better roster and a worse team. Number
eight the San Francisco forty nine ers, it's time to
bounce back. Brock Perty to me should not be quite
as polarizing as people make him out to be. But
he actually impressed me when he lost some of the
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stuff around him. He's not a superstar, he's not a
top ten quarterback, but in Kyle Shanahan's offense, he's got
good postnat processing. He can get the ball out quick,
and I think that's enough, assuming.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The rest of their stars stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Kittle, Trent Williams, and namely Christian McCaffrey, who's the key
to everything, and frankly a cheap code in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Number seven, Just be competent on defense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Cincinnati Bengals, your offense is super Bowl caliber. You went
three to four in games where you scored thirty or
more points last year.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Figure it out with Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Have Shamar Stewart hit you upgraded at defensive coordinator because
you just had to. In the Super Bowl era for
teams that lost five or more games, the Cincinnati Bengals
most points per game and losses. Any team they scored
twenty eight points per game in their.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Losses last year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Just be the twentieth best defense in the NFL, and
you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Number six. I can't quit this Rams team.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think them in the Niners is going to be
a great battle all year long. Offensive line health concerns me.
Stafford's a stud, Mcvey's a stud. The Devonte Adams at
as great and Fisk and verse. They didn't have a
first round pick this year, but their draft hit tremendously
last year. If they're the linebacker or the tight end
they hit in the second and third round.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
If they can just add one more.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Piece, they were the team that gave Philly the best
challenge really the last four and a half months of football.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think they're right there as a contender. Number five.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Maybe this is too low, but it's the Baltimore Ravens.
It was a historic offense last year when you combine
running and passing, but their inability to get it done
consistently in January once you get up to this level
concerns me from the quarterback on down. But this team
has a legitimate argument for being the best roster.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Hopefully for Ravens fans, this is the year they break through.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Number four, but I still.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Have the Bills in front of them both because of.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Their playoff history.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I happen to think Josh Allen is better than Lamar Jackson,
and they just have been bludgeting people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's the team with the.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Best point differential in the NFL over a sample of
five years, and it's not close.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You'd say, oh, I would assume that would be the Chiefs.
The Chiefs are third, the Ravens are second.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They've outscored opponents by five hundred and fifty five points
in the last five years. The Bills have outscored their
opponents by nearly eight hundred points the last five years
their regular season juggernaut. Can they break through in January
number three? Speaking of a team I can't quit. I
think we were robbed of a Lions Eagles NFC Championship
game last year. The Detroit Lions come in at number three.
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This offense should be electric. I think Ben Johnson is
a bigger ad for the Bears than he was lost
for the Lions. If they just had normal bad luck
for health on defense, we would have seen them in
the NFC Championship game. Last year. They gave up thirty
one points per game their last six games of the year.
Injuries caught up to them. Number two the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Their defense is electric. They've got the best quarterback, they've
got the best coach. They've improved their offensive line, especially
if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They now have a little depth.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Rashi Rice, Hollywood Brown Xavier Worthy played zero snaps together
last season. If the explosiveness can return to the Chiefs offense,
I expect them back in the Super Bowl. Number one
the Philadelphia Eagles are the best organization with the best roster.
My guess is Eagles fans will not be nearly as
happy about this ranking as they were upset about the
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Jalen Hurts ranking. But winning more than seventeen games and
rushing for more than three thousand yards, it puts you
in company with the eighty five Bears, the seventy two Dolphins,
the ninety eight Broncos, and last year's Eagles team. It's
a tough combination and it's one that's going to win you
a ton of football games. There's your top ten teams
heading in to this football season, which now allows us
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to be joined by my friend and now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Coworker and colleague.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
At First things first, Nick, Right, Hey, buddy, what's up.
How's it going.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's going well.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I really liked I really liked your top ten teams.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Ben.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think it's really cool that you were able to
just run back the exact ten teams you loved last year.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Just add the Washington to it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's all your teams, yes, every single one.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You're doing the same thing everyone's doing. You know who's
gonna be good? The teams that I thought were gonna
be good last year? This is your same list.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
As a year ago at this time of year, plus Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I did not have the Eagles at one. I did
not have the Eagles winning the division last year. I
was very wrong about Dallas. So the number one team,
you know, I'm gonna honor the Super Bowl. I do
have a lot of respect for the Bengals and the
Niners to bounce back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You could admit it. It's a perfect list.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Okay, So let's talk about the two teams because I
do find it interesting the two teams that weren't good
last year that you think are gonna be good this
year because I have different teams. That and your total
abandonment in faith of the Bears is a total topic
for another day. Why will this season be different for
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the Bengals? Than last year. What's one reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
New defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I don't know that it's an upgrade. I mean, I
guess that's the hope. I just feel I feel like
the Bengals, I don't know how their offense can't be
better than it was, that's right, and so maybe it
stays equal. I mean, you are more in the mainstream
than I am on the Bengals this year because most
people seem to think they're a real threat.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Last year was an aberration.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
They'll get back to being a contender ish, But I
don't see why I.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Would believe that.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I think the defense is maybe going to be worse
than last year, having with Trey Hendrickson not there right now,
I don't know that they had an upgrade at de coordinator,
and the offense played basically perfectly last year, So I
don't I feel like the Bengals are doing have the
exact same plan they had a year ago, except now
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the guys are more expensive and we're supposed to think
that's going to make them better.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I don't buy them for real.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well, listen that if you score that many points historically,
you're just supposed to be much better. I'm not saying
that they're going to win the Super Bowl with a
terrible defense. But if you've got a great offense, you're
supposed to be a better team than last year. I
figure your biggest beef was going to be with the
Niners because of your just unrelenting, unflinching stance and hatred
of brock Purty.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Well it's listen, it's not hatred, but I you know,
there's certain things. It's so interesting where and I asked
this question this morning on What's Right the podcast, which
is at what point does someone's public perception ship from
being a hater to being correctly skeptical. So the reason
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I did not buy into brock Purty when he nearly
won MVP and got his team to overtime of the
Super Bowl in twenty twenty three was very simple in that,
you know what, I thought, it was a such a
stack team with such a brilliant play caller that I
had real questions what would he look like if some
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of those pieces chipped away? And then, by the grace
of the sports gods, we got to see exactly what
he would look like if he didn't have all those weapons.
And the team finished what in last place in their division,
second or last in their division, won six to seven games,
and now everyone's like just wants to pretend that didn't happen.
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And you are more optimistic about the Niners this year
than I am. You're right about that because I thought
they one of the reasons people and credit you for
not being one of them, it seems, are buying into
the Broncos so much is because of two Niners defenders
that they took. The Niners defense lost massive personnel at
each and every level. The wide receiver room right now
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is super banged up, and they are desperately relying on
Christian McCaffery, who's awesome but a huge injury risk and
the oldest tackle in the league. And so a lot
of folks rationale for the Niners is they won't be
as injured as they were last year. And my answer is, well,
they're not as deep as they were last year, and
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I do think they are one of the more injury risk,
you know, higher injury risk teams. So no, I'm not
a Niners believer for the second consecutive year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With Kyle Shanahan Christian McCaffrey when they play together, not
the Kyle Shanahan plays but when McCaffrey plays for Kyle Shanahan,
you know what I'm saying, they win seventy five percent
of their games, they're twenty three to eight. When McCaffrey
is out there eight and twelve, and he's worth about
four points per game. It feels to me like that
coach with that player is a cheat code, which is
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why I'm going.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
To still believe in them.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But if we're going to just react to my lists,
I know you want to, and I know we've done
it on FtF, We've done it on your couch, what is.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The text and group chat?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Explain to me why Justin Herbert isn't the fifth best
quarterback in football because he passes my beautiful eye test.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I mean just because when you are as close to
year ten as you are your rookie year, when you're
the same college recruiting class as Nicky Bosa and the
same draft class as Justin Jefferson, you have to be
judged on what you've actually done, not what you theoretically
could be and what you Justin Herbert sick of fans,
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and I think he's a good player. What you guys
all refuse to admit is for most of you. Three
or four of the last five years, you have gone into.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
The season not just talking about.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How good Herbert is, but how good the team is, true,
how dangerous the Chargers are, how stacked it is. And
then the year ends they're mediocre. He's bad in the
big spot, and everyone's like he needs more help her
and so and you said it. Last year they had
the number one defense.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They had the good offensive line with the now the
highest pade left tackle in football, Joe al To right tackle,
a great coach, and he could not get out of
his own way against the Texans team that was dying.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
To be beaten in his hands.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Nick, You're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You're not serious, You're not serious. He was awful. He
was awful in that game. And here is to me,
and I'm not, you know, known as a Jalen Herds guy.
But what I do think is fair is last year
the Chargers asked Justin Herbert to be the quarterback that
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Jalen Hurts was for Philadelphia in twenty twenty two when
they made their first Super Bowl. We're gonna run the ball,
We're gonna throw it sparingly, We're gonna play a great defense,
don't turn it over, and three or four times a
game in the playoffs, make big plays. And Jalen Hurts
executed that exact playbook almost flawlessly, to the tune of
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playing neck and neck to Mahomes in the Super Bowl.
Justin Herbert was asked to do that and had one
of the worst games of his life against the Texans,
and folks just want to pretend it didn't happen. We've
seen Herbert play in three either playoff or winner take
all games, because the Week eighteen game against the Raiders
couple of years a few years ago, and he has
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been bad in all three of them.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And he's five years into his career.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I know he's talented, I know he throws a beautiful ball,
but at some point it has to be about what
you've actually accomplished. And even though I'm not the biggest
Jalen Hurts guy in the world, having Herbert ahead of
Hurtz and Stafford is mortifying and and and it makes
you question why do we actually play the games like.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Real real quick?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
If the trade was offered Jalen Hurts for Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
The Eagles would say, no, you're out of.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Your minds, you're out, You're out of your mind. The
guy is more talented.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He would be able to hand the ball off to
Saquon Barkley just like Jalen Hurtskin and instead of quarter
they would just a J Brown and Devonte Smith Moore?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Can can I ask you? Can? I let's stay here? Then?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do you think if we're going to play in this
make believe world that last year, if Jalen hurts was
the Chargers quarterback, they would have beaten the Texans, because
I do that Texans, no, hold on because the only
because the only reason they lost was the four interceptions?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Would they have justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That was an outlier, terrible game.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The guy threw over five hundred passes in the regular
season and had three interceptions.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Right, But Danny, that doesn't mean something. Danny, if you
if you.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Went before, you go back to the first time you
were filling in for Colin, if you.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Had never, if you had never dropped.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
An F bomb in your entire the entire year of
doing live radio, and then and then in the first
hour of doing the Herd you dropped three.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Would that be bad luck? Or would that be ooh?
The moment got to them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Your coward level analogies.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
That's not fine, but you follow like the and so
I don't agree with you that they Now, I do
think that if you didn't have a team built yet
like you were, that's a different question. Would the Eagles
trade Herbert for Hurts? It's a different question than I
am starting a team from scratch. What players I think
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is more malleable.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Okay, but if we're doing a top ten list, if
every player was available to be drafted, yeah, thirty two
general managers.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Justin wouldn't take Herbert fifth, but you certainly wouldn't take
him fifth.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You would take it before Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Maybe maybe then he's then he's better.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Okay, so he at some point again he accomplishment much
must matter, that's first of all, and second of all,
you can't by that metric. Danny, though, who would you
take ahead? I don't know if anybody would take him.
If we're talking about for long term, would take him
ahead of Jayden Daniels. And if we're talking about for
short Duram would take him ahead of Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
So like, you just love him, you'll never quit him.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You've always loved him, and just the audience needs to know, like,
for some reason, you're a Justin Herbert guy.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It's a weird guy. It's a weird thing, but it's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
All right, speaking of a guy who is one of
your guys, But I feel like he this should be
everybody's guy. Professional athlete works out in off season. I
didn't know was worthy of a cover story, like why
are people rushing to bet Luka Doncic for MVP?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Like I've seen the guy carry a.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Team to the NBA Finals and average thirty three to
nine to ten.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He all read.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I didn't know that public opinion on him had slid
so much that we were that we were doubting Luka
Doncic that I needed to see him intermittent fast.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I guess I missed that.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh, you're watching too many old Justin Herbert at Oregon,
because that's where the whole media has been.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's its.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Luka Doncic in the span of ten months, went from
in like the probably the first person named in the
after joker, who's the best player in the league discussion
to basically a past his prime, fat alcoholic in the
public eye. And it's really unbelievable. Twelve months ago today,
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not a person in the world thought Shay or Anthony
Edwards was better than him, And then prior to this
cover story, it seemed like everyone had just decided Shay
and Anthony Edwards were.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Better than him.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I listen, Luke, the amount of Luca had a down year.
It coincided with the first major injury of his career. Truly,
I think traumatic event in being traded that shocked him
and threw him off, and he was and he was
out of shape, but it came on the heels of
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the best season regular and post of his life. Where
as you mentioned, he won the scoring title average thirty
four to nine to ten, single handedly led a team
shouldn't a single handedly Kyrie was good, but you know,
led a team to the NBA Finals and made his
fifth All NBA First Team, which, for the record, is
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more than Steph or Chris Paul have in their career
and is only one less than Kevin freaking Durant, who's
been unbelievable for almost twenty years.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That's how good Luca is.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But I do think it's noteworthy that he took it
to heart that last year he was.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
A little out of shape.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It didn't go the way he wanted, and for the
most notable part of that story, other than the fake
news about his forty two inch vertical, was that the
gym he has worked in every summer since he was
a teenager did not have weights in it until this year.
He just went there involved and then so now he
brought it weights. So I think that is good. And
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now listen is the bit of osmosis of spending a
few months around Lebron and realizing he needs to get
in shape. Probably, but I'll give Luca credit for it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Anyway, We've come a long way from Syracuse Providence postgame
shows on waer my friend, I cannot believe that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Coming up, but I think your takes were better than
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think we need to go back. I can get
some of those tapes.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Unless there was some lacrosse player who had never done
anything in his five year college career and you're like.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
He's better than Gary Gates, I don't know, but yeah,
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's gonna be really cool to be working with you
every day for the first time since, you know, in
twenty years. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna love it,
and it's going to be even more exciting when Herbert
goes eight and nine and you're like, but actually he
throws such a tight spiral.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It is a very tight spiral. Nick Wright will be
watching on First Things First, Thank you, my.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Friend, see you buddy.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
All right, that's Nick right from First Things First, of
which I will be joining when they expand to three
hours this upcoming football season, that show will be three
to six Eastern coming up next. And by the way,
I got Nick to concede that he would draft Herbert Overheartz.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'm talking that whole thing up as a win.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
There's a massive disconnect on this show and elsewhere on
shod Or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We'll get into it next to Hurt.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
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Speaker 3 (23:06):
Welcome back into the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for
Colin Cowherd. It's a true honor to do this yesterday, today.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Jeff Schwartz will be on the program a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
On in the show, which is also kind of.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Surreal given that when I was covering the Chiefs and
doing radio in Kansas City, he was the first guy
I ever talked to covering an NFL locker.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Room, so known.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Aj Brazinski, a long time Jeff Schwartz a long time,
no one longer than Nick Wright who was just on.
So it's been really fun to be able to do
this here sitting in the big chair for Colin Cowherd,
and wanted to talk a little bit about what I
think is maybe one of the bigger disconnects between media
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and reality in the sports world that we've seen in
a long time. And I know, and he makes fun
of himself when he's like, I don't know if everyone
else is fascinated by the browns QB situation, but I
am fascinated by it. And I'm like, I don't know
that I am quite there with you, Colin, because Shadoor
Sanders was a fifth round pick, you know, a fifth
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round pick, famous dad, interesting prospect. We thought he was
going to be a higher pick, but the NFL said
fifth round pick, and.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Shadoor Sanders seems to know that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And I'm not sure that the rest of the media
world has completely caught up to it. I'm going to
play a couple of things for you here and then
I'll start to unpack what I think's happened. But first,
his father, Dion Sanders, was on Michael Irvin's podcast talking
about how and why Dion Sanders will not be attending
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Brown's training camp many time soon.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
He didn't want me to come.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
He's like that I may get three full reps in practice.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I don't want you to seeing man, like, no, no,
I'm not where I need to be.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Let me get where I need to be. And it's
so funny because.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
This is the first time many and he's dealing with
it like a pro, like like he ain't mad, he
ain't good.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
He's like, I got work to do, and I'm gonna
put in his work.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
One thing, They're gonna have to let me play.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Preseason gonna come, and when preseason come, watch me work.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, I hope he's right.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That sounds like a former coach and current and always
dad rooting for his son.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But he's right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Shadoor Sanders will at some point play in the preseason,
and in theory, the Kenny Pickett injury opens up some
reps for him to move up.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The depth chart, but not all.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
But some of the reporting or the reaction to the
reporting mora acculations like Ben should door Sanders has gotten
any reps with the ones yet. Yeah, he was a
fifth round pick. Say what you want about Joe Flacco.
We're not that far removed from Joe Flacco in NFL
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playoff games. Say what you will about Kenny Pickett, but
he's a young quarterback who was a first rounds pick.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And say what you will about Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
But this team, the team that drafted Shador Sanders in
the fifth round, took him in the third round. And
this was from this morning. The owner of the Cleveland Browns,
Jimmy Haslam, Maybe he's surprised, but he's also being asked
questions about his fifth round picket quarterback.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
If you have told me, he said, we picked him
on Saturday, right Friday night drive at home. You all
don't pick Shadu or I would say that that's not happening.
But we had a conversation early that morning, and then
we have conversation later that day. I think we had
the right people involved in the conversation or at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's Andrew Berry's call.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Andrew made the call to pick Shador.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So Andrew Berry also made the call to pick Dylan Gabriel.
And I think we just need to come to grips
because it seems like Shador Sanders has understood it. He
made some mistakes with the speeding tickets that put himself
back into the news, but by all accounts, he is
showing up on time, doing the work, not complaining, trying
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not to be a distraction, fulfilling his media obligations. As asked,
I was reading a story about how when he came
in to a you know, a media tent off the
side of a practice field, a veteran on the team
was doing his media responsibilities and the reporters started to
leave that players to go over and kind of camp
out to get the best microphone space for Chador's and
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Shador told the pr guy, you know, I'm not going
to talk to the media until the veteran player is done.
Out of a signer, respectively, it seems like Shador, who
by all accounts was a good kid at Colorado, is
doing the right things in terms of being a professional. Again,
notable exception of the multiple speeding tickets. But to me,
those are very little, minor transgressions that are just little blips.
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They're not anything to really get my antenna up here.
But the disconnect to me is fascinating on this level.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
We messed up. The media messed up.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And when I say the media, I am including quote
unquote draft experts, the mel Kiper's, Todd mcshay's, Matt Miller's,
Joel Klattz, Dane Bruglers of the world. And I'm not
saying any of them are bad or anything about it.
It's an unbelievable industry that has been created where we
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watch college football and we watch the NFL, and then
a segment of the industry. I make a three hundred
and sixty five day a year job out of figuring
out the transition of some players from college to the.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
NFL, and I eat it up.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I like drafts coverage too, but I also don't really
pretend that I know anything, because I think that at
least when I am talking about a player in a game,
I can watch the game, and then I can have
my NFL game Pass and I can watch the All
twenty two and I can get access to the stats
and I can feel relatively informed. You still have what
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was the play call, what was this? What was a
guy's health? You still have plenty of things you don't know,
but we don't know an immense amount compared to the draft,
And there's just so many information gaps that it's hard
for me to really put much stock into any of
the pre draft process. What happens in draft season is
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if your team is picking twentieth and you get a
guy who in the consensus mock drafts was slated to
go fourteenth, the reaction the day after the draft is
you gotta steal. And then if you're drafting twentieth and
you took a guy who in the consensus mock drafts
was slated to go twenty ninth, you got a reach
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and you got a bad grade. So we are the
media is judging your successes or your failures off of
our rankings. Shador Sanders is the best example example we've
ever had of the NFL doesn't agree with our rankings. Now,
normally the media is not as far off as they
were with Shador Sanders. And it was a boring draft
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and the Titans had the number one pick, and he
is Dion Sanders's son, like there was just an element
of celebrity and a desire to fuel the coverage of
post super Bowl leading into the draft, which is normally a.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Football rich time.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We've got to make a story, and so this kid
got built up into something that the NFL clearly did
not think that he was. And then on Draft night,
the story became the story that the media created. The
build of Shadoor Sanders became the fall of Shadoor Sanders,
and athletes have complained about this all the time. You
build us up to tear us down, You build us
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up to tear us down. Shadoor Sanders is the perfect
example of that. I would bet he doesn't play a
game this year. Fifth round picks sometimes get cut. There
is no guarantee that Shadoor Sanders ever plays a game
in the NFL. Willie probably, But Joe Flacco is now
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the favorite to start, and I think Kenny Pickett coming
back from a hamstring injury.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is a kind of co favorite to start.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
And Cleveland's gonna be really bad, and next year's quarterback
class is supposed to be really good. So if they
take Allur or Manning or nus Meyer or whoever, they
take in next year's draft, that guy will slot in
ahead of Shador Sanders, if he's even still in on
the team. And my guess is the Browns want to
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see what they have from Dylan Gabriel before they see
anything from Shador Sanders, because judge them by their actions,
not their words. They drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third
round and Shador Sanders in the fifth. But Schador seems
to get it. Hey, dad, don't come to practice. You're
not just a normal dad, You're Dion Sanders. I don't
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want to be more of a distraction because I am
fourth on a bad quarterback depth chart for a bad
organization that has done a bad job of developing quarterbacks.
But it's like, because in March we believe that this
guy could be the second pick in the draft, we
have to be like, you know, the next, the next
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Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy or Tom Brady is just
sitting there in Cleveland. The overwhelming likelihood is that the
media was just wrong and we fell for groupthink, and
Shador Sanders is not going to be an NFL quarterback
for very long, and he will be out of the
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NFL in a couple of years like that is the
overwhelming likely now what I'm rooting for. I have nothing
against the kid. In fact, I kind of feel bad
for him. I think he got some bad advice. I
think the legendary thing was a little bit of a mistake,
being in the shadow of Dion Sanders coming into the
sports take industrial complex and getting overrated to then where
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now you've got no shot to live up to those expectations.
I feel a little bad for the kid, So I'm
not personally rooting against him in any way, but the
NFL's actions have said he had an NFL player, And
my guess is, if you're dying to see Shadoor Sanders
playing an NFL game that matters, you're going to be
waiting for at least a year, because if you're fourth
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on that depth chart, you're a long ways away from
actually playing meaningful football in the NFL. So I only
ask that big of a deal for the Browns. But
there's another one. Oh boy, I don't know how you
could be a fan of this team and then watch
this player, and actually it's really three teams if you
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think about it, and not just have pain Every NFL
Sunday I'll tell you who I'm talking about next.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
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And you know we were just talking Shador Sanders and
the desert.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That is the Browns quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
One of those pictures that always goes viral is that
fan with all the names of all the different quarterbacks
that have started there, going back to Tim Couch and beyond,
and it's just, you know, a quarterback wasteland in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't know how a Browns fan.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Could watch what Baker Mayfield has done in Tampa and
not just throw the remote against the TV like rage
quit in a video game and just turn it off.
And I know in Cleveland they gave Baker time, right,
I mean, he was there, he was there for four years,
he started thirteen games, then sixteen, then sixteen, then fourteen.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm not saying that they shortchanged him.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
A number of games, but Baker Mayfield did win a
playoff game for them in twenty twenty. Baker Mayfield was
a guy who in Cleveland did have an eleven and
five season his third year. And then it was like, well,
Baker's the problem. I mean, Baker and Odell Becka, we
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got it. There's a breakup here. We gotta choose. You
chose poorly. And since then, right, Browns Panthers, Rams bounced
around former number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Was he too cocky?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Does he do the you know, show me the money
he plant in the flag at Oklahoma? Is he the
wrong type of guy to translate? Is he too small
to really put up anything in the NFL? Well, he
gets to Tampa and he consistently improves in every statistical category, dramatically,
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immediately and consistently. Tw twenty twenty two Browns Panthers and Rams.
He goes eight and sixteen and completes sixty percent of
his passes. Last two years of the Bucks nineteen and fifteen,
completes sixty eight percent of his passes, passer rating over
one hundred with the Bucks. And he's found a home
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and he got some contract stuff worked out here. We
can play him on it in just a second, and
he's under contract with Tampa.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Through next year.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
But more so than just Baker and Tampa, I think
there's a lesson for the Browns and probably about fifteen
other teams in the league. But we'll start with the
news on Baker's contract right now.
Speaker 10 (37:16):
It was you know, I'm under contract through twenty six,
so it was really just about getting guaranteed money for
twenty six and they did that, and that's that's all.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I can ask for.
Speaker 10 (37:25):
I signed the contract and knew what it was. You know,
it's right now. It's winning, and I know good things
will happen after that. But I trust this place. I
love being here. Obviously used to bouncing around, I have
done that before, but I don't want to leave.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So it's how can we win right now?
Speaker 10 (37:43):
We have a team that's really, really well built, and
Jason and those guys did it, and so if we
win right now, good things will happen.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
The Bucks are probably the best organization in the NFL
that people just do not give credit for. They brought
everybody back On offense, They've been consistently a top ten
offense the last couple of years. They've had coordinators get
hired to be head coaches William Cohen, most notably this
past year, and they just keep on humming. And Baker
Mayfield is the single biggest reason why no player in
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football has more passing touchdowns than Baker Mayfield. The last
two seasons, He's thrown for the second most passing yards
in the NFL the last two seasons. He's got the
fourth best passer rating in the NFL the last two seasons,
like Baker, Mayfield has been performing and producing statistically like
a top five quarterback in the NFL when he's got
a good support Tristan Wurfs is elite. Evans and Godwin
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is a great duo. Bucky Irving's really talented, but no
one would say he's got the same supporting cast as
Detroit or Philly or some of the teams that we
put up in that up rechelon of total roster talent
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And then Chris Godwin went back to Tampa and.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Took thirty million dollars less than the Patriots were offering
him reportedly, if they're building something special down in Tampa,
especially on the offensive side of the ball. But when
I see Baker, I think about the Jets and Sam Donald?
How badly do the Jets wish this version of Sam
Donald was their quarterback? And I know, sometimes you need
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to break up. You need to change the scenery. Right
if you see your ex happy on social media when
they get married to somebody else, if you're not jealous,
you're like, well, I know that they.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Weren't going to be able to be happy with me.
I was going to be happy with them.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Fine, Sometimes breakups need to happen, and change the sceneries
need to happen. I understand that, But there are so
many teams that I think for a long time, oh,
it's a sun cost, We've got to cut bait. If
I was the Colts, for example, and I had Anthony
Richardson and I drafted him fourth overall, and I knew
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he was just this like unmolded piece of clay that
we had to develop, that it was going to take
time because he had played so little in college. And
he's just this really talented athlete who's arguably the best
athlete of any quarterback in the NFL. And he codes
us these unbelievable things and he can Uncle Rico it
and throw the ball over the mountain but he's struggled
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with his post snap processing. He's struggled most notably with
staying healthy and staying on the field. Seems like maybe
he only has a fastball, doesn't take the velocity off
to throws so much on some.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Of the shorter and intermediate routes.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I will be floored if the Colts, even if Daniel
Jones starts this year, and even if Daniel Jones played
all seventeen games this year and had a monica of success,
I will be floored if the Colts move off of
Anthony Richardson, cut him, trade him for a mid round pick,
whatever it would be, because I think they believe in
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the talent, and I think good teams, good organizations, smart
organizations are paying attention and being like it takes a
while for this to work. It takes a while to develop.
Not everybody is Jaden Daniels, Not everybody is CJ.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Stroud. Those are outliers. It is two things can be true.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It can be getting easier to transition from college to
the pros because the pro offenses are more like college offenses.
I think that is objectively true, but it is still
the pros and the raw you are as a talent
or the worse of a situation you go into, the
more instability, the worst coaching, whatever it may be. Baker
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Mayfield should be the poster child for patience because he
is thirty and he just got thirty million more guaranteed
for next year. And Baker now looks like he's going
to be a starting quarterback in the league until he's
thirty seven, thirty eight years old, which a Browns fan
a Panthers fan, must be impossible for you to believe.
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But coming up next, I'm consciously optimistic about the Steelers
this year. But I've been wrong many times before, and
I don't care how much Nick Wright makes fun of me.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
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coming up in just a couple of minutes, which is
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that the first time we ever hosted together was doing
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in college Radio. We'll have some fun coming up in
about five minutes, where I assume Nick will just agree
with every brilliant thing that I say and we'll keep
it moving or not. But before we get to Nick,
we will begin with my top ten teams heading in
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to the upcoming football season, because if not now, when
and we'll see if Philip burg tay to feel a
little better. Number ten, it's the Chargers of Los Angeles.
You know what I think of Justin Herbert, you know
what everyone thinks of Jim Harbaugh. Did you know they
were the number one scoring defense in the NFL last year.
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If they just get a little bit more explosive on offense,
and I think Hampton and Harris, their two draft picks
will help, and year two under Harball will help they
take the leap offensively. They get a little bit of
health luck, which every team needs. The Chargers. I expect
them back in the playoffs, and maybe he'd be rising
up this list over the course of the season. Number
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nine the Washington Commanders. I think, better team, worse record,
nine to one score victories last season. Jaden Daniels is
a superstar. I like the Tunsil addition. We'll see about
Debo and how he fits. I don't know if you
can win that many close games again, but I think
they got the right coach, the right quarterback. Obviously, a
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tough division with Philly and Dallas will be better. I
think they're a better roster and a worse team. Number
eight the San Francisco forty nine ers, it's time to
bounce back. Brock Perty to me should not be quite
as polarizing as people make him out to be. But
he actually impressed me when he lost some of the
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stuff around him. He's not a superstar, he's not a
top ten quarterback, but in Kyle Shanahan's offense, he's got
good postnat processing. He can get the ball out quick,
and I think that's enough, assuming.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
The rest of their stars stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Kittle, Trent Williams, and namely Christian McCaffrey, who's the key
to everything, and frankly a cheap code in Kyle Shanahan's offense.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Number seven, Just be competent on defense.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Cincinnati Bengals, your offense is super Bowl caliber. You went
three to four in games where you scored thirty or
more points last year.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Figure it out with Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Have Shamar Stewart hit you upgraded at defensive coordinator because
you just had to. In the Super Bowl era for
teams that lost five or more games, the Cincinnati Bengals
most points per game and losses. Any team they scored
twenty eight points per game in their.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Losses last year.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Just be the twentieth best defense in the NFL, and
you'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Number six. I can't quit this Rams team.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
I think them in the Niners is going to be
a great battle all year long. Offensive line health concerns me.
Stafford's a stud, Mcvey's a stud. The Devonte Adams at
as great and Fisk and verse. They didn't have a
first round pick this year, but their draft hit tremendously
last year. If they're the linebacker or the tight end
they hit in the second and third round.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
If they can just add one more.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Piece, they were the team that gave Philly the best
challenge really the last four and a half months of football.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think they're right there as a contender. Number five.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Maybe this is too low, but it's the Baltimore Ravens.
It was a historic offense last year when you combine
running and passing, but their inability to get it done
consistently in January once you get up to this level
concerns me from the quarterback on down. But this team
has a legitimate argument for being the best roster.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
In the NFL.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Hopefully for Ravens fans, this is the year they break through.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Number four, but I still.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Have the Bills in front of them both because of.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Their playoff history.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I happen to think Josh Allen is better than Lamar Jackson,
and they just have been bludgeting people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's the team with the.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Best point differential in the NFL over a sample of
five years, and it's not close.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You'd say, oh, I would assume that would be the Chiefs.
The Chiefs are third, the Ravens are second.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
They've outscored opponents by five hundred and fifty five points
in the last five years. The Bills have outscored their
opponents by nearly eight hundred points the last five years
their regular season juggernaut. Can they break through in January
number three? Speaking of a team I can't quit. I
think we were robbed of a Lions Eagles NFC Championship
game last year. The Detroit Lions come in at number three.
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This offense should be electric. I think Ben Johnson is
a bigger ad for the Bears than he was lost
for the Lions. If they just had normal bad luck
for health on defense, we would have seen them in
the NFC Championship game. Last year. They gave up thirty
one points per game their last six games of the year.
Injuries caught up to them. Number two the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Their defense is electric. They've got the best quarterback, they've
got the best coach. They've improved their offensive line, especially
if they can stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
They now have a little depth.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Rashi Rice, Hollywood Brown Xavier Worthy played zero snaps together
last season. If the explosiveness can return to the Chiefs offense,
I expect them back in the Super Bowl. Number one
the Philadelphia Eagles are the best organization with the best roster.
My guess is Eagles fans will not be nearly as
happy about this ranking as they were upset about the
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Jalen Hurts ranking. But winning more than seventeen games and
rushing for more than three thousand yards, it puts you
in company with the eighty five Bears, the seventy two Dolphins,
the ninety eight Broncos, and last year's Eagles team. It's
a tough combination and it's one that's going to win you
a ton of football games. There's your top ten teams
heading in to this football season, which now allows us
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to be joined by my friend and now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Coworker and colleague.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
At First things first, Nick, Right, Hey, buddy, what's up.
How's it going.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
It's going well.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
I really liked I really liked your top ten teams.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Ben.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think it's really cool that you were able to
just run back the exact ten teams you loved last year.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Just add the Washington to it.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
That's all your teams, yes, every single one.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
You're doing the same thing everyone's doing. You know who's
gonna be good? The teams that I thought were gonna
be good last year? This is your same list.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
As a year ago at this time of year, plus Washington.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I did not have the Eagles at one. I did
not have the Eagles winning the division last year. I
was very wrong about Dallas. So the number one team,
you know, I'm gonna honor the Super Bowl. I do
have a lot of respect for the Bengals and the
Niners to bounce back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You could admit it. It's a perfect list.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Okay, So let's talk about the two teams because I
do find it interesting the two teams that weren't good
last year that you think are gonna be good this
year because I have different teams. That and your total
abandonment in faith of the Bears is a total topic
for another day. Why will this season be different for
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the Bengals? Than last year. What's one reason.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
New defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I don't know that it's an upgrade. I mean, I
guess that's the hope. I just feel I feel like
the Bengals, I don't know how their offense can't be
better than it was, that's right, and so maybe it
stays equal. I mean, you are more in the mainstream
than I am on the Bengals this year because most
people seem to think they're a real threat.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Last year was an aberration.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
They'll get back to being a contender ish, But I
don't see why I.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Would believe that.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I think the defense is maybe going to be worse
than last year, having with Trey Hendrickson not there right now,
I don't know that they had an upgrade at de coordinator,
and the offense played basically perfectly last year, So I
don't I feel like the Bengals are doing have the
exact same plan they had a year ago, except now
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the guys are more expensive and we're supposed to think
that's going to make them better.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
I don't buy them for real.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well, listen that if you score that many points historically,
you're just supposed to be much better. I'm not saying
that they're going to win the Super Bowl with a
terrible defense. But if you've got a great offense, you're
supposed to be a better team than last year. I
figure your biggest beef was going to be with the
Niners because of your just unrelenting, unflinching stance and hatred
of brock Purty.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Well it's listen, it's not hatred, but I you know,
there's certain things. It's so interesting where and I asked
this question this morning on What's Right the podcast, which
is at what point does someone's public perception ship from
being a hater to being correctly skeptical. So the reason
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I did not buy into brock Purty when he nearly
won MVP and got his team to overtime of the
Super Bowl in twenty twenty three was very simple in that,
you know what, I thought, it was a such a
stack team with such a brilliant play caller that I
had real questions what would he look like if some
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of those pieces chipped away? And then, by the grace
of the sports gods, we got to see exactly what
he would look like if he didn't have all those weapons.
And the team finished what in last place in their division,
second or last in their division, won six to seven games,
and now everyone's like just wants to pretend that didn't happen.
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And you are more optimistic about the Niners this year
than I am. You're right about that because I thought
they one of the reasons people and credit you for
not being one of them, it seems, are buying into
the Broncos so much is because of two Niners defenders
that they took. The Niners defense lost massive personnel at
each and every level. The wide receiver room right now
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is super banged up, and they are desperately relying on
Christian McCaffery, who's awesome but a huge injury risk and
the oldest tackle in the league. And so a lot
of folks rationale for the Niners is they won't be
as injured as they were last year. And my answer is, well,
they're not as deep as they were last year, and
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I do think they are one of the more injury risk,
you know, higher injury risk teams. So no, I'm not
a Niners believer for the second consecutive year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With Kyle Shanahan Christian McCaffrey when they play together, not
the Kyle Shanahan plays but when McCaffrey plays for Kyle Shanahan,
you know what I'm saying, they win seventy five percent
of their games, they're twenty three to eight. When McCaffrey
is out there eight and twelve, and he's worth about
four points per game. It feels to me like that
coach with that player is a cheat code, which is
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why I'm going.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
To still believe in them.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
But if we're going to just react to my lists,
I know you want to, and I know we've done
it on FtF, We've done it on your couch, what is.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The text and group chat?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Explain to me why Justin Herbert isn't the fifth best
quarterback in football because he passes my beautiful eye test.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I mean just because when you are as close to
year ten as you are your rookie year, when you're
the same college recruiting class as Nicky Bosa and the
same draft class as Justin Jefferson, you have to be
judged on what you've actually done, not what you theoretically
could be and what you Justin Herbert sick of fans,
(12:32):
and I think he's a good player. What you guys
all refuse to admit is for most of you. Three
or four of the last five years, you have gone into.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
The season not just talking about.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How good Herbert is, but how good the team is, true,
how dangerous the Chargers are, how stacked it is. And
then the year ends they're mediocre. He's bad in the
big spot, and everyone's like he needs more help her
and so and you said it. Last year they had
the number one defense.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
In the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
They had the good offensive line with the now the
highest pade left tackle in football, Joe al To right tackle,
a great coach, and he could not get out of
his own way against the Texans team that was dying.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
To be beaten in his hands.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Nick, You're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You're not serious, You're not serious. He was awful. He
was awful in that game. And here is to me,
and I'm not, you know, known as a Jalen Herds guy.
But what I do think is fair is last year
the Chargers asked Justin Herbert to be the quarterback that
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Jalen Hurts was for Philadelphia in twenty twenty two when
they made their first Super Bowl. We're gonna run the ball,
We're gonna throw it sparingly, We're gonna play a great defense,
don't turn it over, and three or four times a
game in the playoffs, make big plays. And Jalen Hurts
executed that exact playbook almost flawlessly, to the tune of
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playing neck and neck to Mahomes in the Super Bowl.
Justin Herbert was asked to do that and had one
of the worst games of his life against the Texans,
and folks just want to pretend it didn't happen. We've
seen Herbert play in three either playoff or winner take
all games, because the Week eighteen game against the Raiders
couple of years a few years ago, and he has
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been bad in all three of them.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
And he's five years into his career.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I know he's talented, I know he throws a beautiful ball,
but at some point it has to be about what
you've actually accomplished. And even though I'm not the biggest
Jalen Hurts guy in the world, having Herbert ahead of
Hurtz and Stafford is mortifying and and and it makes
you question why do we actually play the games like.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Real real quick?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
If the trade was offered Jalen Hurts for Justin Herbert.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
The Eagles would say, no, you're out of.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Your minds, you're out, You're out of your mind. The
guy is more talented.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He would be able to hand the ball off to
Saquon Barkley just like Jalen Hurtskin and instead of quarter
they would just a J Brown and Devonte Smith Moore?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Can can I ask you? Can? I let's stay here? Then?
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Do you think if we're going to play in this
make believe world that last year, if Jalen hurts was
the Chargers quarterback, they would have beaten the Texans, because
I do that Texans, no, hold on because the only
because the only reason they lost was the four interceptions?
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Would they have justin Herbert.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That was an outlier, terrible game.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
The guy threw over five hundred passes in the regular
season and had three interceptions.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Right, But Danny, that doesn't mean something. Danny, if you
if you.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Went before, you go back to the first time you
were filling in for Colin, if you.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Had never, if you had never dropped.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
An F bomb in your entire the entire year of
doing live radio, and then and then in the first
hour of doing the Herd you dropped three.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Would that be bad luck? Or would that be ooh?
The moment got to them.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Your coward level analogies.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
That's not fine, but you follow like the and so
I don't agree with you that they Now, I do
think that if you didn't have a team built yet
like you were, that's a different question. Would the Eagles
trade Herbert for Hurts? It's a different question than I
am starting a team from scratch. What players I think
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is more malleable.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Okay, but if we're doing a top ten list, if
every player was available to be drafted, yeah, thirty two
general managers.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Justin wouldn't take Herbert fifth, but you certainly wouldn't take
him fifth.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You would take it before Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Maybe maybe then he's then he's better.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Okay, so he at some point again he accomplishment much
must matter, that's first of all, and second of all,
you can't by that metric. Danny, though, who would you
take ahead? I don't know if anybody would take him.
If we're talking about for long term, would take him
ahead of Jayden Daniels. And if we're talking about for
short Duram would take him ahead of Matt Stafford.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
So like, you just love him, you'll never quit him.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
You've always loved him, and just the audience needs to know, like,
for some reason, you're a Justin Herbert guy.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
It's a weird guy. It's a weird thing, but it's fine.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
All right, speaking of a guy who is one of
your guys, But I feel like he this should be
everybody's guy. Professional athlete works out in off season. I
didn't know was worthy of a cover story, like why
are people rushing to bet Luka Doncic for MVP?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Like I've seen the guy carry a.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Team to the NBA Finals and average thirty three to
nine to ten.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
He all read.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
I didn't know that public opinion on him had slid
so much that we were that we were doubting Luka
Doncic that I needed to see him intermittent fast.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
I guess I missed that.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh, you're watching too many old Justin Herbert at Oregon,
because that's where the whole media has been.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's its.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Luka Doncic in the span of ten months, went from
in like the probably the first person named in the
after joker, who's the best player in the league discussion
to basically a past his prime, fat alcoholic in the
public eye. And it's really unbelievable. Twelve months ago today,
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not a person in the world thought Shay or Anthony
Edwards was better than him, And then prior to this
cover story, it seemed like everyone had just decided Shay
and Anthony Edwards were.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Better than him.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I listen, Luke, the amount of Luca had a down year.
It coincided with the first major injury of his career. Truly,
I think traumatic event in being traded that shocked him
and threw him off, and he was and he was
out of shape, but it came on the heels of
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the best season regular and post of his life. Where
as you mentioned, he won the scoring title average thirty
four to nine to ten, single handedly led a team
shouldn't a single handedly Kyrie was good, but you know,
led a team to the NBA Finals and made his
fifth All NBA First Team, which, for the record, is
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more than Steph or Chris Paul have in their career
and is only one less than Kevin freaking Durant, who's
been unbelievable for almost twenty years.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That's how good Luca is.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But I do think it's noteworthy that he took it
to heart that last year he was.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
A little out of shape.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
It didn't go the way he wanted, and for the
most notable part of that story, other than the fake
news about his forty two inch vertical, was that the
gym he has worked in every summer since he was
a teenager did not have weights in it until this year.
He just went there involved and then so now he
brought it weights. So I think that is good. And
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now listen is the bit of osmosis of spending a
few months around Lebron and realizing he needs to get
in shape. Probably, but I'll give Luca credit for it.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Anyway, We've come a long way from Syracuse Providence postgame
shows on waer my friend, I cannot believe that.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Coming up, but I think your takes were better than
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
I think we need to go back. I can get
some of those tapes.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Unless there was some lacrosse player who had never done
anything in his five year college career and you're like.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
He's better than Gary Gates, I don't know, but yeah,
I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's gonna be really cool to be working with you
every day for the first time since, you know, in
twenty years. It's gonna be great. I'm gonna love it,
and it's going to be even more exciting when Herbert
goes eight and nine and you're like, but actually he
throws such a tight spiral.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
It is a very tight spiral. Nick Wright will be
watching on First Things First, Thank you, my.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Friend, see you buddy.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
All right, that's Nick right from First Things First, of
which I will be joining when they expand to three
hours this upcoming football season, that show will be three
to six Eastern coming up next. And by the way,
I got Nick to concede that he would draft Herbert Overheartz.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I'm talking that whole thing up as a win.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
There's a massive disconnect on this show and elsewhere on
shod Or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
We'll get into it next to Hurt.
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Speaker 3 (23:06):
Welcome back into the Herd. I'm Danny Parkins in for
Colin Cowherd. It's a true honor to do this yesterday, today.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Jeff Schwartz will be on the program a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
On in the show, which is also kind of.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Surreal given that when I was covering the Chiefs and
doing radio in Kansas City, he was the first guy
I ever talked to covering an NFL locker.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Room, so known.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Aj Brazinski, a long time Jeff Schwartz a long time,
no one longer than Nick Wright who was just on.
So it's been really fun to be able to do
this here sitting in the big chair for Colin Cowherd,
and wanted to talk a little bit about what I
think is maybe one of the bigger disconnects between media
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and reality in the sports world that we've seen in
a long time. And I know, and he makes fun
of himself when he's like, I don't know if everyone
else is fascinated by the browns QB situation, but I
am fascinated by it. And I'm like, I don't know
that I am quite there with you, Colin, because Shadoor
Sanders was a fifth round pick, you know, a fifth
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round pick, famous dad, interesting prospect. We thought he was
going to be a higher pick, but the NFL said
fifth round pick, and.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Shadoor Sanders seems to know that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And I'm not sure that the rest of the media
world has completely caught up to it. I'm going to
play a couple of things for you here and then
I'll start to unpack what I think's happened. But first,
his father, Dion Sanders, was on Michael Irvin's podcast talking
about how and why Dion Sanders will not be attending
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Brown's training camp many time soon.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
He didn't want me to come.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
He's like that I may get three full reps in practice.
Speaker 6 (25:06):
I don't want you to seeing man, like, no, no,
I'm not where I need to be.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Let me get where I need to be. And it's
so funny because.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
This is the first time many and he's dealing with
it like a pro, like like he ain't mad, he
ain't good.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
He's like, I got work to do, and I'm gonna
put in his work.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
One thing, They're gonna have to let me play.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Preseason gonna come, and when preseason come, watch me work.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Okay, I hope he's right.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That sounds like a former coach and current and always
dad rooting for his son.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
But he's right.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Shadoor Sanders will at some point play in the preseason,
and in theory, the Kenny Pickett injury opens up some
reps for him to move up.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
The depth chart, but not all.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
But some of the reporting or the reaction to the
reporting mora acculations like Ben should door Sanders has gotten
any reps with the ones yet. Yeah, he was a
fifth round pick. Say what you want about Joe Flacco.
We're not that far removed from Joe Flacco in NFL
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playoff games. Say what you will about Kenny Pickett, but
he's a young quarterback who was a first rounds pick.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
And say what you will about Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
But this team, the team that drafted Shador Sanders in
the fifth round, took him in the third round. And
this was from this morning. The owner of the Cleveland Browns,
Jimmy Haslam, Maybe he's surprised, but he's also being asked
questions about his fifth round picket quarterback.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
If you have told me, he said, we picked him
on Saturday, right Friday night drive at home. You all
don't pick Shadu or I would say that that's not happening.
But we had a conversation early that morning, and then
we have conversation later that day. I think we had
the right people involved in the conversation or at the
end of the day.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
That's Andrew Berry's call.
Speaker 9 (27:06):
Andrew made the call to pick Shador.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
So Andrew Berry also made the call to pick Dylan Gabriel.
And I think we just need to come to grips
because it seems like Shador Sanders has understood it. He
made some mistakes with the speeding tickets that put himself
back into the news, but by all accounts, he is
showing up on time, doing the work, not complaining, trying
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not to be a distraction, fulfilling his media obligations. As asked,
I was reading a story about how when he came
in to a you know, a media tent off the
side of a practice field, a veteran on the team
was doing his media responsibilities and the reporters started to
leave that players to go over and kind of camp
out to get the best microphone space for Chador's and
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Shador told the pr guy, you know, I'm not going
to talk to the media until the veteran player is done.
Out of a signer, respectively, it seems like Shador, who
by all accounts was a good kid at Colorado, is
doing the right things in terms of being a professional. Again,
notable exception of the multiple speeding tickets. But to me,
those are very little, minor transgressions that are just little blips.
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They're not anything to really get my antenna up here.
But the disconnect to me is fascinating on this level.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
We messed up. The media messed up.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
And when I say the media, I am including quote
unquote draft experts, the mel Kiper's, Todd mcshay's, Matt Miller's,
Joel Klattz, Dane Bruglers of the world. And I'm not
saying any of them are bad or anything about it.
It's an unbelievable industry that has been created where we
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watch college football and we watch the NFL, and then
a segment of the industry. I make a three hundred
and sixty five day a year job out of figuring
out the transition of some players from college to the.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
NFL, and I eat it up.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I like drafts coverage too, but I also don't really
pretend that I know anything, because I think that at
least when I am talking about a player in a game,
I can watch the game, and then I can have
my NFL game Pass and I can watch the All
twenty two and I can get access to the stats
and I can feel relatively informed. You still have what
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was the play call, what was this? What was a
guy's health? You still have plenty of things you don't know,
but we don't know an immense amount compared to the draft,
And there's just so many information gaps that it's hard
for me to really put much stock into any of
the pre draft process. What happens in draft season is
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if your team is picking twentieth and you get a
guy who in the consensus mock drafts was slated to
go fourteenth, the reaction the day after the draft is
you gotta steal. And then if you're drafting twentieth and
you took a guy who in the consensus mock drafts
was slated to go twenty ninth, you got a reach
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and you got a bad grade. So we are the
media is judging your successes or your failures off of
our rankings. Shador Sanders is the best example example we've
ever had of the NFL doesn't agree with our rankings. Now,
normally the media is not as far off as they
were with Shador Sanders. And it was a boring draft
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and the Titans had the number one pick, and he
is Dion Sanders's son, like there was just an element
of celebrity and a desire to fuel the coverage of
post super Bowl leading into the draft, which is normally a.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Football rich time.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
We've got to make a story, and so this kid
got built up into something that the NFL clearly did
not think that he was. And then on Draft night,
the story became the story that the media created. The
build of Shadoor Sanders became the fall of Shadoor Sanders,
and athletes have complained about this all the time. You
build us up to tear us down, You build us
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up to tear us down. Shadoor Sanders is the perfect
example of that. I would bet he doesn't play a
game this year. Fifth round picks sometimes get cut. There
is no guarantee that Shadoor Sanders ever plays a game
in the NFL. Willie probably, But Joe Flacco is now
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the favorite to start, and I think Kenny Pickett coming
back from a hamstring injury.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Is a kind of co favorite to start.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
And Cleveland's gonna be really bad, and next year's quarterback
class is supposed to be really good. So if they
take Allur or Manning or nus Meyer or whoever, they
take in next year's draft, that guy will slot in
ahead of Shador Sanders, if he's even still in on
the team. And my guess is the Browns want to
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see what they have from Dylan Gabriel before they see
anything from Shador Sanders, because judge them by their actions,
not their words. They drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third
round and Shador Sanders in the fifth. But Schador seems
to get it. Hey, dad, don't come to practice. You're
not just a normal dad, You're Dion Sanders. I don't
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want to be more of a distraction because I am
fourth on a bad quarterback depth chart for a bad
organization that has done a bad job of developing quarterbacks.
But it's like, because in March we believe that this
guy could be the second pick in the draft, we
have to be like, you know, the next, the next
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Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy or Tom Brady is just
sitting there in Cleveland. The overwhelming likelihood is that the
media was just wrong and we fell for groupthink, and
Shador Sanders is not going to be an NFL quarterback
for very long, and he will be out of the
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NFL in a couple of years like that is the
overwhelming likely now what I'm rooting for. I have nothing
against the kid. In fact, I kind of feel bad
for him. I think he got some bad advice. I
think the legendary thing was a little bit of a mistake,
being in the shadow of Dion Sanders coming into the
sports take industrial complex and getting overrated to then where
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now you've got no shot to live up to those expectations.
I feel a little bad for the kid, So I'm
not personally rooting against him in any way, but the
NFL's actions have said he had an NFL player, And
my guess is, if you're dying to see Shadoor Sanders
playing an NFL game that matters, you're going to be
waiting for at least a year, because if you're fourth
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on that depth chart, you're a long ways away from
actually playing meaningful football in the NFL. So I only
ask that big of a deal for the Browns. But
there's another one. Oh boy, I don't know how you
could be a fan of this team and then watch
this player, and actually it's really three teams if you
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think about it, and not just have pain Every NFL
Sunday I'll tell you who I'm talking about next.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Danny parkins In for Colin.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
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thirty thirty. Danny parkins In for Colin here on the Herd.
And you know we were just talking Shador Sanders and
the desert.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
That is the Browns quarterback.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
One of those pictures that always goes viral is that
fan with all the names of all the different quarterbacks
that have started there, going back to Tim Couch and beyond,
and it's just, you know, a quarterback wasteland in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
I don't know how a Browns fan.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Could watch what Baker Mayfield has done in Tampa and
not just throw the remote against the TV like rage
quit in a video game and just turn it off.
And I know in Cleveland they gave Baker time, right,
I mean, he was there, he was there for four years,
he started thirteen games, then sixteen, then sixteen, then fourteen.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I'm not saying that they shortchanged him.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
A number of games, but Baker Mayfield did win a
playoff game for them in twenty twenty. Baker Mayfield was
a guy who in Cleveland did have an eleven and
five season his third year. And then it was like, well,
Baker's the problem. I mean, Baker and Odell Becka, we
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got it. There's a breakup here. We gotta choose. You
chose poorly. And since then, right, Browns Panthers, Rams bounced
around former number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Was he too cocky?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Does he do the you know, show me the money
he plant in the flag at Oklahoma? Is he the
wrong type of guy to translate? Is he too small
to really put up anything in the NFL? Well, he
gets to Tampa and he consistently improves in every statistical category, dramatically,
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immediately and consistently. Tw twenty twenty two Browns Panthers and Rams.
He goes eight and sixteen and completes sixty percent of
his passes. Last two years of the Bucks nineteen and fifteen,
completes sixty eight percent of his passes, passer rating over
one hundred with the Bucks. And he's found a home
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and he got some contract stuff worked out here. We
can play him on it in just a second, and
he's under contract with Tampa.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Through next year.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
But more so than just Baker and Tampa, I think
there's a lesson for the Browns and probably about fifteen
other teams in the league. But we'll start with the
news on Baker's contract right now.
Speaker 10 (37:16):
It was you know, I'm under contract through twenty six,
so it was really just about getting guaranteed money for
twenty six and they did that, and that's that's all.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I can ask for.
Speaker 10 (37:25):
I signed the contract and knew what it was. You know,
it's right now. It's winning, and I know good things
will happen after that. But I trust this place. I
love being here. Obviously used to bouncing around, I have
done that before, but I don't want to leave.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So it's how can we win right now?
Speaker 10 (37:43):
We have a team that's really, really well built, and
Jason and those guys did it, and so if we
win right now, good things will happen.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
The Bucks are probably the best organization in the NFL
that people just do not give credit for. They brought
everybody back On offense, They've been consistently a top ten
offense the last couple of years. They've had coordinators get
hired to be head coaches William Cohen, most notably this
past year, and they just keep on humming. And Baker
Mayfield is the single biggest reason why no player in
(38:14):
football has more passing touchdowns than Baker Mayfield. The last
two seasons, He's thrown for the second most passing yards
in the NFL the last two seasons. He's got the
fourth best passer rating in the NFL the last two seasons,
like Baker, Mayfield has been performing and producing statistically like
a top five quarterback in the NFL when he's got
a good support Tristan Wurfs is elite. Evans and Godwin
(38:37):
is a great duo. Bucky Irving's really talented, but no
one would say he's got the same supporting cast as
Detroit or Philly or some of the teams that we
put up in that up rechelon of total roster talent
in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And then Chris Godwin went back to Tampa and.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Took thirty million dollars less than the Patriots were offering
him reportedly, if they're building something special down in Tampa,
especially on the offensive side of the ball. But when
I see Baker, I think about the Jets and Sam Donald?
How badly do the Jets wish this version of Sam
Donald was their quarterback? And I know, sometimes you need
(39:19):
to break up. You need to change the scenery. Right
if you see your ex happy on social media when
they get married to somebody else, if you're not jealous,
you're like, well, I know that they.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Weren't going to be able to be happy with me.
I was going to be happy with them.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Fine, Sometimes breakups need to happen, and change the sceneries
need to happen. I understand that, But there are so
many teams that I think for a long time, oh,
it's a sun cost, We've got to cut bait. If
I was the Colts, for example, and I had Anthony
Richardson and I drafted him fourth overall, and I knew
(39:53):
he was just this like unmolded piece of clay that
we had to develop, that it was going to take
time because he had played so little in college. And
he's just this really talented athlete who's arguably the best
athlete of any quarterback in the NFL. And he codes
us these unbelievable things and he can Uncle Rico it
and throw the ball over the mountain but he's struggled
(40:13):
with his post snap processing. He's struggled most notably with
staying healthy and staying on the field. Seems like maybe
he only has a fastball, doesn't take the velocity off
to throws so much on some.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Of the shorter and intermediate routes.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
I will be floored if the Colts, even if Daniel
Jones starts this year, and even if Daniel Jones played
all seventeen games this year and had a monica of success,
I will be floored if the Colts move off of
Anthony Richardson, cut him, trade him for a mid round pick,
whatever it would be, because I think they believe in
(40:46):
the talent, and I think good teams, good organizations, smart
organizations are paying attention and being like it takes a
while for this to work. It takes a while to develop.
Not everybody is Jaden Daniels, Not everybody is CJ.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Stroud. Those are outliers. It is two things can be true.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It can be getting easier to transition from college to
the pros because the pro offenses are more like college offenses.
I think that is objectively true, but it is still
the pros and the raw you are as a talent
or the worse of a situation you go into, the
more instability, the worst coaching, whatever it may be. Baker
(41:31):
Mayfield should be the poster child for patience because he
is thirty and he just got thirty million more guaranteed
for next year. And Baker now looks like he's going
to be a starting quarterback in the league until he's
thirty seven, thirty eight years old, which a Browns fan
a Panthers fan, must be impossible for you to believe.
(41:52):
But coming up next, I'm consciously optimistic about the Steelers
this year. But I've been wrong many times before, and
I don't care how much Nick Wright makes fun of me.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I'll never quit you. Justin Herbert next to Herd
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