June 20, 2024 • 40 mins
Colin has more thoughts on his interview with Tom Brady and how he will do in the broadcast booth
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Thanks for making us part of your day. So generally,
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when I get a bigger, more prominent guest, you get
a I get about a three or four day heads up.
A couple of times I've had Tom Brady on. I
sort of knew a week out I was gonna get
Tom Brady. So but I also think many of you
who are listening to me on radio, you listen to
me at certain times of the day, Like there are
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people that just listen to fifteen minutes a day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's in the second hour, that's when they drive to work.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So radio listeners of ours deserve love too, our ExM listeners.
I know I listened to the radio basically at the
same times every day as their morning errands. So Tom
Brady was on yesterday in our third hour, and I
thought it was too good and too newsworthy to not
bring back a big chunk of it. As he now
pivots from, you know, being a great all time football
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player a brief retirement to now he's going into the booth.
And so one of the first things I asked him about,
I said, you know, Tom, you're very methodical. You're known
as a guy that loves and really embraces the process.
Has it been difficult transitioning from that to the booth?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think anytime you transition into something new, there's a
bit of a challenge because you're so programmed and wired
to do things a certain way. As an athlete, there's
so much physical prep that goes along with your life.
Even in the offseason, I was always thinking about was
I prepared? If there was a game on Sunday, could
I play? And I would think about that in April,
in May and June and July, and I'd watch other
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great athletes. Floyd Mayweather comes to mind, like he always
seemed ready to go. If someone called him, say, hey,
you got a fight on Saturday, He'd be like cool,
and I think that's how I always physically train my body. Mentally,
it was a little bit different because there was old
game plan element to the process of preparing for the games.
So I think the biggest challenge for me is I
just the structure is very different now in my life
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because you don't have the routine. But I actually believe
that the broadcasting at Fox this year for the first time,
will give me a lot more structure like I'm used to,
and I really actually will look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So you were in the booth this weekend UFL Championship,
so it's kind of your first taste of doing it.
You've also been probably a half dozen times that I'm
aware of, been practicing upstairs. So I want you to
take me from the first time you put on a
headset upstairs, yeah, until the UFL game and your last
you may have practiced today. When you watch the tapes,
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do you notice the difference with you.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I would say yes, And I also think there's
still so much more room for improvement. And I just
it's almost like when I was a player, I never
felt like I did things the right way. There were
games where I'd go in afterward and think, God, I'm
the worst quarterback in the NFL, Like, why would they
even want me to play quarterback for this team?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I'm sure I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Feel that way here at Fox, where I finish a
game and I go, god, I didn't even give them
what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And it's a very challenging thing in your own mind.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I asked a few people, how do you know that
you did a good job? And I think for me,
so much of this is going to come down to
the preparation and did I feel like I was prepared
that I feel like our crew was prepared, that I
give them the best over the course of the week
so that we could give ourselves the best opportunity to
be successful for the fans, because really, the game is
the show. We're there to add our take on it
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in our analysis, but it's also did we feel like
we added to the broadcast? And from my standpoint, I'm
going to work as hard as I can the process
of it, as you talked about earlier, to make sure
that I do deliver, because I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Want to let anyone down. I don't want to let
the people with Fox are down.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I certainly don't want to watch let the great NFL
fans down either.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, both quarterback and broadcaster takes the ability to compartmentalize
and then quickly pull things and put them in a
game or so. It's very similar. Is that you're when
you went into a football game, there were things that
you practiced, waited to see that may not happen until
the fourth quarter, and then you have to take that film,
study fourth quarter loud crowd can't hear, and implement it.
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That's what broadcasting is. I've said this before, Tom, I
think what you're doing is the hardest thing in sports.
Two hundred times for eight seconds. Be smart and if
you have one, if I kick it all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
People are just used to it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You do pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm fun done. Fine. Are there nerves for Tom Brady?
You haven't had nerves forever?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Your I always had nerves because it's a performance. When
you go out there on the field and you would
feel like you put a lot into it. There was
probably anxiousness and there were nerves because you the outcomes
weren't guaranteed for any of us. You'd go into a game,
you'd feel like, oh, we got a great advantage this week.
They got a few of their guys out, we're playing
at home. This is exactly the game we want. Next thing,
you know, it's middle of the third quarter and it's
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a dogfight. So it's you never really know how sports
are going to go, which was why we all tune in.
We tune in because the outcomes are very unexpected, which
if they're unexpected.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
There's a chance of winning and losing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And because of that, there's anxiety and there's nerves going
into every single one of those games. So the only
way that I knew how to combat the nerves and
the anxiousness of the game was to prepare. So I
was someone that got really really good at my preparation.
Over the course of my career. I got really efficient
with my time, especially as you added a lot of
the things to your life like children.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You know, that's a that's a big addition.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So it's how can I prepare knowing that I have
other things going in my life and I really want
to be efficient with my time to make sure the
time I am spending preparing is really worth it. I'm
working on the things that are actually going to add
to the broadcast rather than I'm just working on things
to work on them that will actually never come up.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'll throw a theory at you, and I've used you
as an example on this show. In Matt Stafford, offensive
lines matter. I believe offensive line play has deteriorated due
to the CBA. They practice less. I think it's the
most cohesive unit in the practicing less. Outside of the Lions.
I'm not sure there's a great O line in the
league right now. Their feels to me very powerful. What
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worries me. I saw this with Russell first year in Denver.
I saw it with Aaron first year with the Jets.
The reason I think you succeeded in Stafford did, and
Kirk Cousins will because older quarterbacks are a bit more
reliant on guard center guard protection.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
In Tampa, you got Tristan Wurf's Yep, you were very
good guard center guard, sure, and you got very comfortable quickly.
That's what I worry about the Jets is that two
things are converging.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
One they've got all new offensive linemen and two many
are older, and older offensive linemen don't play in the
preseason anymore. Yeah, I don't worry about Aaron, But take
me through that you went through it with Tampa. Sure,
where you had to movie when you wanted grown. It
may have been for blocking as much as catching.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, there's so many nuances to the success of an offense.
I don't think you can ever make a bad O
line good. And over the course of my career, I
always I believe I played with the best offensive line
coach in the history of the NFL and Dante Scarnecia.
And regardless of who we drafted free agents, we got
free agents in the draft, free agents, in free NFL
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free agency, veteran free agency.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
We always pieced together a.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Unit that played really well together. And all of them
may not have been Pro Bowlers, but as a unit,
they played as well as any team in the league,
and that was tough challenge for every D line you
would play. You'd go, Okay, I know they're going to
block as well. I know Brady's the ball is gonna
come out quick. I know they're gonna have good plans.
When we play man coverage, they're gonna have man beaters.
I know when we get in the red area, they're
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gonna challenge us. They're gonna have some different schemes in there.
In the run game that we're going to prepare for.
We put a lot of pressure on the defense all
the time to do things the right way as opposed
to the five the offensive linemen having a draft first
round pick, first round pick, first round pick to put
together a great O line. So so much of great
on line play. It's a great on line coach. And
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I think we could talk about there's not a lot
of great on line coaches anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, No, Jimmy Johnson has said for years, Yeah, there's
about six good ones on the planet at any one time.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Absolutely, And there's probably about six eight good quarterbacks on
the planet. And there's probably about six six eight good
head coaches, and there's about six to eight good defensive coordinators.
So to try to get all the things right, which
is why the NFL is so competitive in my mind,
because there's so many challenges to keeping people together because
when you have a good O line and everyone says, oh,
this is the first ranked or second rank or third
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ranked offensive line. Well, in free agency, all the teams
come in, they pick those guys out of that team
and say, right, well, we were gonna bring you from
the Patriots to the Bengals, We're gonna be from the
Patriots to the Chargers because they knew that our guys
were developed really well. Also, so we would lose a
lot of offensive line and you'd have to replace them
and you'd have to develop them.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And I think one of the pet peeves I have.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
One of the great things I would say in my
experience with the Patriots was every player was coached, even
if you were on the practice squad, even if the
scout team offense was out there. Dante Scarneki was coaching
the scout team offensive line as if it was the
starting offensive line. And I think a lot of coaches coached, Hey,
I'll just coach the starter, maybe a few backups, as
opposed to I'm gonna coach every single position. So when
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people go down, we're gonna fill those guys in and
they're gonna they're gonna just step in and play a
great role for us because they're gonna know all the calls,
they're gonna know the timing, they're gonna know the precision,
they're gonna know exactly what we want to do on
every place. So that was the development part, and I think, yeah,
the CBA changed a lot. There's less practice time I
don't necessarily love that. There's a lot of areas of
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say the techniques and fundamentals, which because you don't have
the time tackling, run after catch, you know, special teams
has basically been eliminated from the NFL with a lot
of the rules, so that saves some time, but you know,
you lose the.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Kicking game, parts of the kicking game.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I think there's a lot of because we don't
have as much time on task, there's a lot of
less time for us to develop the techniques and fundamentals
that these players need to be successful. So they go
to the outside. They look for coaches in the offseason
to develop some of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Some of it works.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It may work as an individual, but at the same time,
football as a team sport. So I would see quarterbacks
throwing to receivers that weren't their receivers. Well, that's fine.
It might be good for you, but it's not good
for let's say the team.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That's right, you know, you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Know I I but before I get into some other stuff,
I'm going to be a little bit of a fan
on my last question, But I want to ask you this.
I have another theory is that this is subconscious and
you were able in a better spot to handle this.
But I have been arguing for years that number one
receivers there's a duality to it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They're great, Randy Moss is great.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, But subconsciously even a great quarterback will feel to
some degree he's indebted to get him the ball always.
And I thought when Dak Prescott broke into the league,
he was better.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Without the great des Brian right, the pressure left.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sometimes receivers are are verbal, Yeah, and i'd stuff on Diggs.
I would take on any team, but he's verbal. Brandon
iucause verbal on his social Sure, and I want you
to go to that is I have argued now justin
Jefferson to me is too good not to sign Sure,
But I have always had this feeling and if you
could subconsciously when Randy was there, he rewarded you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But was there a feeling sometimes where's Randy?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I want to make sure Randy's happy?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, you always felt like you had to do something
to get them the ball and they hadn't touched the
ball in practice. I'd make sure, O, God, you know, hey,
I got to get so and so ball because I
want him to keep running hard, and I want him
to be ready for when the ball does come and
you know, you see it a lot in NFL games.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Been practicing a lot of these games.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I want to see the best players touch the ball
early so they can bring a sweat, they can get
into the flow at the game, and good coaches do that.
When you script plays at the beginning of the game,
you're saying, Okay, you're the Niners coach. I'm gonna make
sure McCaffrey touches it either first or second in the game.
I want to make sure Deebo Samuel touches it first
or second in the game. I'm gonna throw it to
him quick somehow. I know the ball is going to
be in his hands so he can do something with it.
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I want to get him into the flow. So we
would always try to script so that everybody would feel
like they were in the flow of the game. The
last thing you want is your number one receiver to
go two and a half quarters into a game and
not see a ball to get one target, because he's
going to get discouraged. He's got to go out there,
he's got to break the huddle, he's got to run
out twenty five yards to his alignment. He's got to
run down the field as fast as he can try
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to get open. He's got to run back to the huddle.
It's a lot of effort that he's putting into not
getting the ball. Now when you can reward that guy
early in the game and figure, Okay, where is he at?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How do I get him the ball? And there' certain
guys that are really easy to get the ball too.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Certainly the guys that line up closer to the ball,
the tight ends and the slot receivers, there's way more
route options for them.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It's way easier to get.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Them the ball because they can go to basically every
part of the field. Whereas that perimeter receiver, he's got
the sideline to deal with. He really can't break out.
If he breaks out, he's got five or six yards
to deal with. A receiver at the tight end position
or in the slot when he breaks out, he's got
eighteen yards to deal with, so you have much more
space to get him actually the ball. So you know,
it wasn't hard to get Welker the ball. It wasn't
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hard to get Edelman the ball, wasn't hard to get
Gronkowski the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
It was hard to get a perimeter receiver of the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
If they decide that they want to take a perimeter
receiver out of the game, you just roll the coverage
to him, you play cover two, You jam him at
the line of scrimmage with someone over the top, and
it's very.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Very difficult to get that guy the ball. But that
also gives.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Up a lot of the things, and you've got to
be able to take advantage of those things. And that
number one receiver has to understand, Okay, they're making concerted
effort to take me away. Therefore, my other teammates have
to produce when they're playing these coverages.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sean McVay years ago did something that it was kind
of a Maverick move, kind of a ball remove. He said,
I'm not going to I'm not going to play my
veteran stars one snap in preseason and people are like, whoa, wha, Yeah,
you're not gonna be ready. They want eight and no
to start the season. And now people look at it
and go, yeah, kin, I don't want anybody hurt. Now
there is a line here, because you're gonna want a
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couple series of snaps, Like, I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You don't want to go cold.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Interesting that I believe, and you have touched on this,
that the NFL is the shield and corporate and a
lot of these coaches there's a dogma and a rigidity
and they just don't want to change stuff, and it's
hard to flip the telescope. And I think coaches struggle
allowing quarterbacks like you and Breeze, it's your offense, go
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to the line and call what you see. I think, coach,
I think quarterbacks can be over coached at the line
of scrimmage, not at practice. Sure you have touched on
the fact that you don't think quarterbacks are developing that
sort of pre sense snap.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Is some of it the rigidity of coaching, Yeah, okay,
so it is.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, and the ability to develop that player, to give
him the tools so that when he gets to the
line of scrimmage and he sees blitz. Okay, if they're
blitzing me, these are the two protections I can use
when they blitz. These are the two or three routes
that I can signal to my receivers that can beat
the blitz or vice versa. We have we're anticipating blitz,
so we call a play that's gonna protect and nope,
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they're actually playing a very safe zone. I want to
make sure I can get all my players out into
the route and I can change the call, the protection
and the routes that everybody can get into the defense.
So what are you trying to do? You're trying to
give the quarterback to really be a field general quarterback.
You got the last swipe of the pencil.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Defense can call their play. They're going to line up.
Offense calls a play in the huddle, they walk the
line scrimmage. Defense calls a play, they adjust to the formation,
offense is lined up in, they have their call set.
It was always my job to say, well, I know
what my play is. Now I look at the defense. Okay,
I think I know what they're in. Does what I
have call is.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Going to work?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And that was my judgment and they would have to
live and die with my judgment the entire team. Now,
I developed a trust within the team, my teammates in
the organization to say, Tom.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
We want you to have that. We trust you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
To have that final swipe at that pencil, but we're
not going to snap the ball into Let's say there's
a safety blitzing off the right side, and I got
to run right at the right side, and I know that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Nobody can block him.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm not going to snap the ball and run it
into the strong safety blitzing and tackle our running back
four yards in the backfield. I'd say, Okay, if the
strong safety's coming on the right and we got to
play to the right, what do you want me to do?
You want me to run to the left, you want
me to check to a pass. Those are the options.
That's how I would think about the game. There was
always a reason why I did something. If if he
was blitzing off the left and I wanted to run
the right, great, let's snap the ball.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Everything was intentional.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, there wasn't a time I would hope that I
would have never snapped the ball into a bad defense.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Now did I?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Of course I did, because sometimes the defenses wanted to
disguise a lot of things they didn't want to show me. Okay,
Brady likes to get a great pre snap read. Let's
really mess with him. Let's, you know, kind to toggle
the safeties back and forth, and we're going to make
it challenging for him to really decipher Buffalo. When I
played Buffalo, they wouldn't move until after the ball was snapped,
So if the safety was coming down on the left
or on the right, they were gonna do it after
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the snap all the time. And they would just play
in this little shell defense. Ballby snapped in here they go,
they rotate because every defense has strengths and weaknesses to it.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
My job as a quarterback was always.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
To delineate where the strengths and weaknesses were and was
the play that I had called was it able to
take advantage of the weaknesses of the defense. And if
it couldn't, then I was supposed to get to a.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Play that would.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And I think that's part of the development that I
had as a player, was they gave me the tools
to be able to do that, and they gave me
the trust over a period of time that I was
ultimately going to make the right decision for the team.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Intentional is sometimes confused for intensity. Knowing and reading the
temperature in the room is important. And there's a story
about John Wooden, the late legendary coach, and he was
very strict, you know, the pyramid of success, and he
felt his team before a championship game was tight.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so he made the decision. He said, all we're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Is dunking at practice today, and everybody was having fun,
and he sensed the temperature in the room.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
My team is tight. We gotta have a fun practice.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You had what I would view as a highly efficient,
don't mess around head coach.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Were there times.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That's a polite way to say that, yes, I'm trying
to be very difficult, good job.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I would think you would have to provide the question
I'm going to ask. Were there times, because of Bill's manner,
that you felt on a Saturday night when you go
into that meeting were way too tight?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I got a light in this room up a little.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I think the answer would be no.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I think that's where Bill was actually so great,
and no one saw him in those moments like we did.
And Saturday night, we were so prepared and so focused.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We were the opposite of tight.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Really, we were always relaxed because we had the answers
to the test.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew that.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I went through the call sheet, and let's say we
had one hundred and fifty calls on the call sheet.
There was a meeting at a squad meeting eight o'clock.
I would meet with the quarterbacks starting at six thirty
in the offense corner. We go through every single play
on the call sheet, and we do exactly what we did. Okay,
this is a play, this is the run. What's the
one thing that could mess this run up?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
A safety blitz off the right side. Okay, great, what
do you want to do if that happens? So I'd
walk to the line of scrimmage that call, that call was made,
I'd break the hood.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I'd look at the line scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'd say, Okay, the only problem I have on this
play is if the safety is blitzing off the right side,
and then I would just look for it. Oh and
he only did it, let's say five percent of the time.
So most coaches would just say, I just run the
play whatever if they get lucky and call it at
the same time, one for them. And that's not how
I played, because that one play could mean everything.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So I would say, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
If it's a five percent chance it could happen, what
should I do if it happens.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So I would tell the line, Okay, if this guy's
blitz is what I'm doing I'm gonna check to this
play called wolf for a called beatle, or called python,
whatever we wanted to call it.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
This is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Or I'm gonna check to a screen Liz rip, I'm
gonna change the protection and go to Greto or great.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So there was all these different code words.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
When we had that, we can get them so quickly
because it's hard to do when they're seventy thousand fans.
You it's hard to do with it, communicate to everybody
in ten seconds to go from one play to another play.
But that's what the continuity allowed us to do over
a long period of time. That's what the same coordinator,
the similar core group of players could do, the same
offensive line coach.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Oh yeah we did that two years ago. Yeah, I
like that solution at work. Great. That allowed us to
win the game. Great, we gained confidence in it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So that continuity that we had with all of us
allowed us to succeed in those little small percentage chances
that they did something or made a call that could
beat what we were doing. And I think so much.
That's that's what the beautiful part about the sport is.
That's the chess game. In football, it's not checkers. It's
not soccer where everything's reaction. It's not hockey, it's not basketball.
They're all set pieces. They all there's a play. And
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when I looked at the real field generals when I
played growing up with where that was John Elway, Dan Reno.
Then you got to the pay Mannings and Drew Brees
and Philip Rivers like that's all we tried to do.
We try to say what's the defense doing and how
can we beat the defense on every single play? And
then we'd come out of the game. That's how we
would judge ourselves. Did I make the right call?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
There? Not always? Did I make the right throw?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Did I snap the ball into a defense that that
play would actually work?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Tom Brady from yesterday, And as I watched that, it
just increased my anticipation to watch Tom and the booth.
He's really become. And I'm sure I don't know Tom personally.
I'm sure he was always a good storyteller. But you know,
and I've said this before, you will become the broadcaster
(21:39):
that you were as a player. If you are sort
of go with your gut, that's how you'll be as
a broadcaster. Maybe instincts over prep. If you are into
work ethic almost to an obsessive nature, that's what you
will become as a broadcaster. And that's why I've kind
of theorized that I think Tom is going to be
(22:01):
very effective. He's going to start and be good get
better over time because he just simply puts the time
in it. I think in my life, as I've watched broadcasters,
athletes become broadcasters. Their personality that steered their athletic endeavors,
it's eventually the same qualities that steer their broadcasting. Charles
(22:22):
Barkley was an artist. Didn't know he wasn't a great
practice player. He wouldn't know as the best at prep,
but he was really funny and dynamic as a player
and as a broadcaster he was highly memorable both. And
I think Tom's just going to be really good and
(22:42):
just keep building on it and building on it. That
would be my guest. But as I watched that interview,
as I was in it yesterday and watched it here,
it just makes me I can't wait for his opener,
which is Dallas against Cleveland, and for a million reasons,
that game is a fascinating opener.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So I hope you enjoyed Tom.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
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Speaker 1 (23:10):
Jill haven't given me an answer in between breaks, Jay
Mack on why there's all these Dodger fans all over
stadiums with the best seats.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I'm looking for an answer. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I mean, gee peppering me with questions today. You had
that one just now, Dur that's a thought provoking question.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
About the thing we just talked about.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot to take in. Plus,
I'm monitoring this England situation with Denmark. COPA America starts tonight.
Like there's just a lot happening now.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is when United States Bolivia is when Sunday Sunday.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
So Monday show will be a banger, Caitlin Clark, Angel
Rea Sunday, USA Bolivia Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You'll you're an airplane, Well, I'm leaving. I'm doing an
overnight flight on you know I like overnights. Yeah, you
and I fall asleep instantly anywhere. We just can't stay asleep. Yes,
but my wife will not do. My daughter and I
love overnights. We can fall asleep anywhere instantly. And my
(24:06):
wife will not go with me because she can't sleep
on plane. So she's like, you won't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'm just sitting there wide awake up to me. She's
like three in the mornings. She's like, I'm sitting there
by myself in a six hour flight, and so she
won't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So I love overnight flights.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Get a glass of wine when you first get on,
and it's just like, maybe throw something down and boom.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Are you one of those pop up pill?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know that I don't need to be on planes.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, I'll do a huge workout in the day, no nap,
so I'll be exhausted by plane takes off at ten thirty.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You are mister airports. You should write a book about
airports and flights.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And my daughter was young, she wanted us to take
connecting flights because she loved airports. Let let's not go direct,
and I'm like, honey, you'll learn over time. You want
to go direct. You don't want delay, especially during like
the summer, when the airports are packed, but Jmack with a.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
News no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Some news in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Denver Broncos looking about back after last season's disappointing run.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
They just made it interesting higher.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
According to Adam Schefter, the Broncos have hired former Stanford
head coach David Shaw as a senior personnel executive. The
two work together with the Eagles way way way back
in nineteen ninety seven. Shaw, of course, was a great
coach at Stanford with Andrew Lucke. And you know Stanford,
it's tough to get big time recruits. They fell on
hard times. He's looking to go the executive route now.
(25:35):
A nice hire, I guess for Denver. You know, I
don't know what Shaw is going to bring to the table.
Just difference out of eyes and.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I think he's a smart guy that brings a
different perspective. I think that's always a good move.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
He's been a pretty quiet guy. Remember there was a
time where it was he was ticketed for the NFL.
A lot of people had him going to the New
York Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, then there was a lot of regression at Stanford,
and Stanford's a hard place to win. There's a reason
Stanford is usually rebuilding than been building into a power
like that. Twice in my life they've been you know,
hardballs one of them, one of the occasions.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But Stanford's a hard place to win.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's just they have a hard time having eighty five
players on scholarship because they don't qualify for the school. Yeah,
they're usually at seventy five. They just it's hard to
get kids in.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Remember Sean Payton did not give Russ the contract. It
was the front office that did. And now Sean Payton's
quietly remaking the front office in his own liking.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's very interesting take, you know, because Peyton worked with
David Shaw before. Yeah, so they've worked together before on
the offensive side of the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Were people like Peyton hot seat and I thought about it,
I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I don't think they would part of it. I don't
think Peyton's on a hot.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Seat this year.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
You know Sean Batten, No.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Absolutely not. Now it's his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No. And for the record, last year, the offense wasn't
the issue, if you're honest about it. The defense was
a sieve. Denver's defense was like twenty seven. Sean resurrected
and saved Russell Wilson. Is the first thing he did
is he rebuilt the offensive line that ended up being
a really nice offensive line, a top seventy eight offensive line.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
He saved Russ and then kicked into the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Curve well right, but he had to resurrect Russ to
get anything to move him at all. So I mean,
in the end, if you're gonna be honest about it,
because I know Sean's polarizing was the defense that was
a problem. He didn't draft any of that defense, so
they don't blame Sean Payton. Sean Payton got the most out.
I still contend that Denver is the safest over bet
(27:33):
on draft Kings and all these companies five and a
half wins.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
If they are competent.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It could look at this schedule until you get to
week ten, week nine, there's Dob's here.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I get that, and I like looking at schedules.
There's a problem when you don't even have a quarterback.
You don't even know who the quarterback is before we
look at the schedule, who's starting under center.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ration, No, they know who the quarnerback.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Zach Wilson is at the livest arm in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
A lot of smoke screens in Denver, but they know
who the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
All right, Let's let's pivot to the NBA, where reports
indicate that one of the better players in this NBA postseason,
Pascal Siakam, good player, four year, one hundred and eighty
nine million dollar max deal with the Packers. Sorry, Pacers,
it's not official, but he intends to sign it. Yea
good player can sign it when when the league's free
agency moratory amends July six.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Halliburton, those are their guys. They got
a good core, I'm and they play and Rich's a
good coach, and they play with a lot of tempo.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So it's not a I like what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think they're an atrocious defensive team, right, So they
got to get some They got to get some three
and D guys, some wing defenders. They are bad on
the win. They are a bad defensive team. Very rarely
do I watch a team they're frustrating to watch defensively.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, they just it was. They're awful.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
That being said, and this is not a hot take
because the numbers back it. Up. They played the Celtics
much tougher than the Dallas Matachineah, they did.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
They just match up better. I know, people don't love.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
They're gonna see, oh he's got like forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, it's a very very good B plus player in
the sate.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
That to Obias Harris deal back in the day. No, no, no, no, no,
he's a good player. Yes, very strong NBA I like
Mobile five, Like I think he works. Oh yeah, I
think he absolutely, he's a problem. Yeah, you know, I
think Pascal Siakam is a good player. You'd prefer you
to be your three, not your two. I think you're
a championship team, but Pascal Siakam is your three. What
are the Celtics now doing that where it's like, hey,
(29:33):
we don't have a one. We've got like yeah, well
I mean clears and yeah whatever, you know, And clearly
you'd prefer.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
A one historically. But I think Boston has kind of
you know, sprinkled the infield. But we've got a bunch
of really good players. But you got to remember Boston
still comes down to two guys, primarily Tatum Brown. It's
a it's the best duo in the league. Yes, okay,
so it's it may not be your alpha, but it's
the best duo, just like Jordan Pippen was, that was
your best to Kdi and Staph was your best duo
(30:03):
in the league. Now those are higher end duos. But
we got to be honest here, Brown and Tatum are
borderline first team All NBA guys. So at Tatum first
team All NBA the last three years.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
He's just a la.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Final word on the Pacers. I know people are excited
for the Sixers. What are they gonna do with their
max salary spot? We'll talk about that. I know people
like the Knicks. There may be one move away. I'm
just telling you.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
The Pacers went to the in season championship game. They
lost Haliburton, who missed a bunch of times. Otherwise they're
looking at a much higher seed and they made the
conference finals. Just keep an eye on Indian No not
sexy but the fever popping' and now you got Halliburton
and Saco.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
No. I got no problem. Pam Siakam.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He is an absolute pro, highly productive. I think he
mostly plays there's a lot of games I don't in
my mind, I don't think of him as an injured
player a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
No, I like him, he's good.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Final story, is Paul George biggest name heading into the
market this offseason.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
The Sixers won him. That's obvious.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Clippers they didn't want to pay him the max money.
So Paul George now on what he's looking for in
free agency.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
For sure, contributed to winning basketball.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
But I mean at this point, I'm not even necessarily
like it's not even about like you know, people saying
chasing the championship, like, it's not that, but it's playing
the right style of basketball is what I'm chasing.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Right style of basketball. So I just went through it
with a producer. I can only tell you three styles
of basketball in the NBA right now. Three the Warriors
Steve Kurr system, Celtics and their five out, and.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
The Miami Heat heat culture.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
I mean maybe I'm missing one.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
But is Paul George trying to send a signal here
with I want to play the right style of basketball?
Because I'll say it right now through Joe Ellenbiid, is
not a style of basketball in Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
I don't think that's a style of Paul George's.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I thought it was very interesting that Jeff Van was
highly paid to be Tylo's top assistant, and ty lu
Van Gundy is known as a very strict, detail oriented guy.
And now not to say Ty can't be both, but
the Jeff Van Gundy higher, what signal is it sending?
(32:20):
We know Ty's a good coach and we know he's
he it is it is somebody. Here's Here's my theory
Jeff Van Gundy will be the bad cop is that
you don't want to lose the room with a Harden
and a Kawhi.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You don't want to lose the room.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So Ty knows that he played in this league and
he's coached that he doesn't want to lose the room.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Okay, but he wants.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
A bad cop to get on Kawhi, to get on Harden.
I don't think Terrence Man and Paul George are the problem.
I think the other guys are. And so he comes in,
Van Gundy comes in. He does not care if he
ruffles feathers.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
As you're read that, the Van Gundy higher means Paul
George is more likely to stay or.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Go stay because I think Paul's excellent and I wouldn't
want to get rid of him. I think Van Gundy's
been brought in to be the buffer that can deliver harsh, intense,
detail oriented news. Ty is playing the long game. He
got a new contract. Yeah, he doesn't want to lose
the room. You can very easily in this league lose
the room. In the NFL, you don't get you cut somebody.
(33:21):
In the NBA, you can't lose the room. So I
think Van Gundy's gonna be a little bit of the
bad cop.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Well, it's interesting Tyleru and Jeff Van Gundy, or Hey,
what's going on in Orlando? Paul Georgia and you want
the maxial from the Orlando Magic Gun. I don't know
their coach was bang on Orlando. I don't know their
coaching staff. I don't know their style.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The Orlando is a lesser version of the Indiana Pacers.
They're coming. They're not quite good as Indiana, but they're coming.
They got a big they like Boncaro, they got guards,
they like Jalen Suggs now Is turned around like Orlando's
no joke there. I don't think they're quite ascending.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I shouldn't say this. I think they're.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Indiana and the East. Just keep your eye on them.
Indiana's ahead of them right now. You know they're they're they're.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
They push Cleveland to seven games.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, no, Orlando's no joke. Orlando's coming Paul George.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
I mean, I'm not banging on Orlando.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I'm just saying, like, that's this team that has been
linked to Paul George.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
I don't know if he leaves the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
There are worst places and places to live in America
than Orlando.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Ah, tons of worse places.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean your families from that. I used to live
in Tampa. I went to Orlando all the time. Not
in July though, it's a little hot.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So what how about you?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You don't have a pool? The Butler Shaine Lakes got
lakes everywhere in.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Lakes in Florida. You'll go in alligators everywhere in your mind.
Come on, you couldn't pay me. I would need at
least six gas.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Or attempt to do on the Butler chain many times.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Bro. Remember those alligators. They don't like boat engines, so
they stay away from your boats.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
So I know you're going away on a big vacation.
Please don't go on to a lake and get eaten
by an alligator.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Come on, they don't like boat engines.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
They like human they're like flesh.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
You know about the alligators spin when they take you
underwater to please you're getting me concerned.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Out come on JM. Mackle the news.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now Orlando Winter Park. You know Winter Park in Orlando.
It's one of my favorite little areas in the country,
one of my favorite little suburbs in America.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
If it's good enough for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Winter Park, Florida's outstandings good enough for me.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
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Speaker 6 (36:04):
Tonight will be one of the most special days of
the baseball season when the Giants take on the Cardinals
from historic Rickwood Field in an amazing tribute to the
Negro leagues.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
We've got some great collectibles on set for.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
The occasion, including commemorative Rickwood apparel and special tops and
trading cards of icons like Jackie Robinson and Willie Mays.
Coverage for the game begins tonight at five thirty Eastern
on Fox.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Bruce arians now upstairs in Tampa right coach Tom to
the Super Bowl and a great NFL career, was talking
over the last couple of days with a reporter in
Phoenix about Kyler Murray. Bruce obviously used to coach in Arizona,
and the quote was interesting. He said, I think Kyler's
evaluation it's still up in the air. He makes amazing
(36:54):
plays and poor ones. He said, the problem with the
guys that depend a lot on their legs is they
have leg injuries all of a sudden. Now you got
to go back to worrying about It's the arm and
the brain over the leg. And I think he's still
in the process of figuring out can he win without
the running well.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I do think Kyler should keep running.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Jared Goff is one of the only successful purely pocket guys.
I like all my guys to move a little. Even
brock Pertty can move a little. So Kyler shouldn't stop
doing that. But he's in a very strange place. Is
Kyler Murray. He is really super talented. First of all,
he completes like sixty seven percent of his throws, so
he's an accurate thrower behind very average o' lines. He's
a playmaker, and he got his team to the playoffs.
(37:35):
Yet he doesn't have one of the three groups that
like him fans, media, or his own team, and that's
very rare. Usually you get buy in from some now. Now,
the media may push back on Trevor Lawrence, but the
fans in Jacksonville love him, and so does the team.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The fans.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You know, some media and fans can push back on Tua,
but they're gonna give him a big contract, so the.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Team's into him. Kyler didn't have any of it.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And generally when a quarter backs young and evolving and
is struggling a little like a Jordan Love early last year,
you hear a lot of this, be.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Patient, be patient.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You don't hear that with that with Tyler Murray either. Uh,
the owner put a stipulation in the contract that he
you know, he has to study so much time daily.
The fans push back on him. I don't think the
media necessarily likes him much. Uh, he never gets a
head coach who's been a head coach before. The owner
is low on cash and he's running for his life
(38:31):
and has been injured. The one thing, it's like, he's
really the only young quarterback in the league who's really
really talented and has like no like significant fan base,
media fans. Even his own team feels a little bit
like they're they're guarding themselves. They're paying him because they
(38:54):
have to, but if you ask him privately, you wouldn't
be sure they were all in. And I go to this,
I think it's the video game thing, and not just
that he likes video games. If it was Crossford puzzles,
he liked to read books, watch documentaries, it would feel different.
There is something about being a gamer as you grow
(39:15):
up that people look at it and think you got
to kind of grow out of being a gamer, like
you grow up eventually. Quarterback is an adult position. It's
an adult position, and it'd be when you get when
you sit down to game, that's not something you do
for fifteen minutes. It's not reading a chapter of a book.
You're in for a while, You're in for ninety minutes.
(39:36):
And we were talking about this this morning. Now I'm
not a gamer, but I will tell you if I
found a forty five year old guy that was a gamer,
would you think less of him?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Would you.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
A forty five year old man gamer? That's your eyes.
It's odd literally in front of a screen playing games.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
So that's impossible. If you have a wife and kids,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's right. That means you have grown up.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, you have a wife and a kid. But I'm
saying why. I think a lot of this gaming stuff
that in the league I have had, I couldn't say
the last time I had an executive in the league
say something positive about Kyler Murray, who is one of
the best playmakers got Arizona in the playoffs, is running
for his life, has never had a good offensive line,
(40:21):
has never had a head coach.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
He's been a head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And I think there is this stigma the gaming thing,
being a gamer. I think there's a stigma with it,
and I know gamers don't think there's a stigma. I mean,
when's the last time you went up to a young
woman and said, oh, your single, what attracts you?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And she said, oh, I love gamers.
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Thanks for making us part of your day. So generally,
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when I get a bigger, more prominent guest, you get
a I get about a three or four day heads up.
A couple of times I've had Tom Brady on. I
sort of knew a week out I was gonna get
Tom Brady. So but I also think many of you
who are listening to me on radio, you listen to
me at certain times of the day, Like there are
(01:03):
people that just listen to fifteen minutes a day.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's in the second hour, that's when they drive to work.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So radio listeners of ours deserve love too, our ExM listeners.
I know I listened to the radio basically at the
same times every day as their morning errands. So Tom
Brady was on yesterday in our third hour, and I
thought it was too good and too newsworthy to not
bring back a big chunk of it. As he now
pivots from, you know, being a great all time football
(01:32):
player a brief retirement to now he's going into the booth.
And so one of the first things I asked him about,
I said, you know, Tom, you're very methodical. You're known
as a guy that loves and really embraces the process.
Has it been difficult transitioning from that to the booth?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I think anytime you transition into something new, there's a
bit of a challenge because you're so programmed and wired
to do things a certain way. As an athlete, there's
so much physical prep that goes along with your life.
Even in the offseason, I was always thinking about was
I prepared? If there was a game on Sunday, could
I play? And I would think about that in April,
in May and June and July, and I'd watch other
(02:14):
great athletes. Floyd Mayweather comes to mind, like he always
seemed ready to go. If someone called him, say, hey,
you got a fight on Saturday, He'd be like cool,
and I think that's how I always physically train my body. Mentally,
it was a little bit different because there was old
game plan element to the process of preparing for the games.
So I think the biggest challenge for me is I
just the structure is very different now in my life
(02:36):
because you don't have the routine. But I actually believe
that the broadcasting at Fox this year for the first time,
will give me a lot more structure like I'm used to,
and I really actually will look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So you were in the booth this weekend UFL Championship,
so it's kind of your first taste of doing it.
You've also been probably a half dozen times that I'm
aware of, been practicing upstairs. So I want you to
take me from the first time you put on a
headset upstairs, yeah, until the UFL game and your last
you may have practiced today. When you watch the tapes,
(03:09):
do you notice the difference with you.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yeah, I would say yes, And I also think there's
still so much more room for improvement. And I just
it's almost like when I was a player, I never
felt like I did things the right way. There were
games where I'd go in afterward and think, God, I'm
the worst quarterback in the NFL, Like, why would they
even want me to play quarterback for this team?
Speaker 4 (03:27):
And I'm sure I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Feel that way here at Fox, where I finish a
game and I go, god, I didn't even give them
what they wanted.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And it's a very challenging thing in your own mind.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I asked a few people, how do you know that
you did a good job? And I think for me,
so much of this is going to come down to
the preparation and did I feel like I was prepared
that I feel like our crew was prepared, that I
give them the best over the course of the week
so that we could give ourselves the best opportunity to
be successful for the fans, because really, the game is
the show. We're there to add our take on it
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in our analysis, but it's also did we feel like
we added to the broadcast? And from my standpoint, I'm
going to work as hard as I can the process
of it, as you talked about earlier, to make sure
that I do deliver, because I don't.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Want to let anyone down. I don't want to let
the people with Fox are down.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I certainly don't want to watch let the great NFL
fans down either.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Well, both quarterback and broadcaster takes the ability to compartmentalize
and then quickly pull things and put them in a
game or so. It's very similar. Is that you're when
you went into a football game, there were things that
you practiced, waited to see that may not happen until
the fourth quarter, and then you have to take that film,
study fourth quarter loud crowd can't hear, and implement it.
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That's what broadcasting is. I've said this before, Tom, I
think what you're doing is the hardest thing in sports.
Two hundred times for eight seconds. Be smart and if
you have one, if I kick it all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
People are just used to it.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
You do pretty good.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I'm fun done. Fine. Are there nerves for Tom Brady?
You haven't had nerves forever?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Your I always had nerves because it's a performance. When
you go out there on the field and you would
feel like you put a lot into it. There was
probably anxiousness and there were nerves because you the outcomes
weren't guaranteed for any of us. You'd go into a game,
you'd feel like, oh, we got a great advantage this week.
They got a few of their guys out, we're playing
at home. This is exactly the game we want. Next thing,
you know, it's middle of the third quarter and it's
(05:19):
a dogfight. So it's you never really know how sports
are going to go, which was why we all tune in.
We tune in because the outcomes are very unexpected, which
if they're unexpected.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
There's a chance of winning and losing.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
And because of that, there's anxiety and there's nerves going
into every single one of those games. So the only
way that I knew how to combat the nerves and
the anxiousness of the game was to prepare. So I
was someone that got really really good at my preparation.
Over the course of my career. I got really efficient
with my time, especially as you added a lot of
the things to your life like children.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
You know, that's a that's a big addition.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
So it's how can I prepare knowing that I have
other things going in my life and I really want
to be efficient with my time to make sure the
time I am spending preparing is really worth it. I'm
working on the things that are actually going to add
to the broadcast rather than I'm just working on things
to work on them that will actually never come up.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I'll throw a theory at you, and I've used you
as an example on this show. In Matt Stafford, offensive
lines matter. I believe offensive line play has deteriorated due
to the CBA. They practice less. I think it's the
most cohesive unit in the practicing less. Outside of the Lions.
I'm not sure there's a great O line in the
league right now. Their feels to me very powerful. What
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worries me. I saw this with Russell first year in Denver.
I saw it with Aaron first year with the Jets.
The reason I think you succeeded in Stafford did, and
Kirk Cousins will because older quarterbacks are a bit more
reliant on guard center guard protection.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
In Tampa, you got Tristan Wurf's Yep, you were very
good guard center guard, sure, and you got very comfortable quickly.
That's what I worry about the Jets is that two
things are converging.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
One they've got all new offensive linemen and two many
are older, and older offensive linemen don't play in the
preseason anymore. Yeah, I don't worry about Aaron, But take
me through that you went through it with Tampa. Sure,
where you had to movie when you wanted grown. It
may have been for blocking as much as catching.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, there's so many nuances to the success of an offense.
I don't think you can ever make a bad O
line good. And over the course of my career, I
always I believe I played with the best offensive line
coach in the history of the NFL and Dante Scarnecia.
And regardless of who we drafted free agents, we got
free agents in the draft, free agents, in free NFL
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free agency, veteran free agency.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
We always pieced together a.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Unit that played really well together. And all of them
may not have been Pro Bowlers, but as a unit,
they played as well as any team in the league,
and that was tough challenge for every D line you
would play. You'd go, Okay, I know they're going to
block as well. I know Brady's the ball is gonna
come out quick. I know they're gonna have good plans.
When we play man coverage, they're gonna have man beaters.
I know when we get in the red area, they're
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gonna challenge us. They're gonna have some different schemes in there.
In the run game that we're going to prepare for.
We put a lot of pressure on the defense all
the time to do things the right way as opposed
to the five the offensive linemen having a draft first
round pick, first round pick, first round pick to put
together a great O line. So so much of great
on line play. It's a great on line coach. And
(08:29):
I think we could talk about there's not a lot
of great on line coaches anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, No, Jimmy Johnson has said for years, Yeah, there's
about six good ones on the planet at any one time.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Absolutely, And there's probably about six eight good quarterbacks on
the planet. And there's probably about six six eight good
head coaches, and there's about six to eight good defensive coordinators.
So to try to get all the things right, which
is why the NFL is so competitive in my mind,
because there's so many challenges to keeping people together because
when you have a good O line and everyone says, oh,
this is the first ranked or second rank or third
(08:57):
ranked offensive line. Well, in free agency, all the teams
come in, they pick those guys out of that team
and say, right, well, we were gonna bring you from
the Patriots to the Bengals, We're gonna be from the
Patriots to the Chargers because they knew that our guys
were developed really well. Also, so we would lose a
lot of offensive line and you'd have to replace them
and you'd have to develop them.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
And I think one of the pet peeves I have.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
One of the great things I would say in my
experience with the Patriots was every player was coached, even
if you were on the practice squad, even if the
scout team offense was out there. Dante Scarneki was coaching
the scout team offensive line as if it was the
starting offensive line. And I think a lot of coaches coached, Hey,
I'll just coach the starter, maybe a few backups, as
opposed to I'm gonna coach every single position. So when
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people go down, we're gonna fill those guys in and
they're gonna they're gonna just step in and play a
great role for us because they're gonna know all the calls,
they're gonna know the timing, they're gonna know the precision,
they're gonna know exactly what we want to do on
every place. So that was the development part, and I think, yeah,
the CBA changed a lot. There's less practice time I
don't necessarily love that. There's a lot of areas of
(09:57):
say the techniques and fundamentals, which because you don't have
the time tackling, run after catch, you know, special teams
has basically been eliminated from the NFL with a lot
of the rules, so that saves some time, but you know,
you lose the.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Kicking game, parts of the kicking game.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So I think there's a lot of because we don't
have as much time on task, there's a lot of
less time for us to develop the techniques and fundamentals
that these players need to be successful. So they go
to the outside. They look for coaches in the offseason
to develop some of those things.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Some of it works.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
It may work as an individual, but at the same time,
football as a team sport. So I would see quarterbacks
throwing to receivers that weren't their receivers. Well, that's fine.
It might be good for you, but it's not good
for let's say the team.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That's right, you know, you.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Know I I but before I get into some other stuff,
I'm going to be a little bit of a fan
on my last question, But I want to ask you this.
I have another theory is that this is subconscious and
you were able in a better spot to handle this.
But I have been arguing for years that number one
receivers there's a duality to it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They're great, Randy Moss is great.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah, But subconsciously even a great quarterback will feel to
some degree he's indebted to get him the ball always.
And I thought when Dak Prescott broke into the league,
he was better.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Without the great des Brian right, the pressure left.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sometimes receivers are are verbal, Yeah, and i'd stuff on Diggs.
I would take on any team, but he's verbal. Brandon
iucause verbal on his social Sure, and I want you
to go to that is I have argued now justin
Jefferson to me is too good not to sign Sure,
But I have always had this feeling and if you
could subconsciously when Randy was there, he rewarded you.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
But was there a feeling sometimes where's Randy?
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
I want to make sure Randy's happy?
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, you always felt like you had to do something
to get them the ball and they hadn't touched the
ball in practice. I'd make sure, O, God, you know, hey,
I got to get so and so ball because I
want him to keep running hard, and I want him
to be ready for when the ball does come and
you know, you see it a lot in NFL games.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Been practicing a lot of these games.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I want to see the best players touch the ball
early so they can bring a sweat, they can get
into the flow at the game, and good coaches do that.
When you script plays at the beginning of the game,
you're saying, Okay, you're the Niners coach. I'm gonna make
sure McCaffrey touches it either first or second in the game.
I want to make sure Deebo Samuel touches it first
or second in the game. I'm gonna throw it to
him quick somehow. I know the ball is going to
be in his hands so he can do something with it.
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I want to get him into the flow. So we
would always try to script so that everybody would feel
like they were in the flow of the game. The
last thing you want is your number one receiver to
go two and a half quarters into a game and
not see a ball to get one target, because he's
going to get discouraged. He's got to go out there,
he's got to break the huddle, he's got to run
out twenty five yards to his alignment. He's got to
run down the field as fast as he can try
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to get open. He's got to run back to the huddle.
It's a lot of effort that he's putting into not
getting the ball. Now when you can reward that guy
early in the game and figure, Okay, where is he at?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
How do I get him the ball? And there' certain
guys that are really easy to get the ball too.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Certainly the guys that line up closer to the ball,
the tight ends and the slot receivers, there's way more
route options for them.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
It's way easier to get.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Them the ball because they can go to basically every
part of the field. Whereas that perimeter receiver, he's got
the sideline to deal with. He really can't break out.
If he breaks out, he's got five or six yards
to deal with. A receiver at the tight end position
or in the slot when he breaks out, he's got
eighteen yards to deal with, so you have much more
space to get him actually the ball. So you know,
it wasn't hard to get Welker the ball. It wasn't
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hard to get Edelman the ball, wasn't hard to get
Gronkowski the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
It was hard to get a perimeter receiver of the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
If they decide that they want to take a perimeter
receiver out of the game, you just roll the coverage
to him, you play cover two, You jam him at
the line of scrimmage with someone over the top, and
it's very.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Very difficult to get that guy the ball. But that
also gives.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Up a lot of the things, and you've got to
be able to take advantage of those things. And that
number one receiver has to understand, Okay, they're making concerted
effort to take me away. Therefore, my other teammates have
to produce when they're playing these coverages.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Sean McVay years ago did something that it was kind
of a Maverick move, kind of a ball remove. He said,
I'm not going to I'm not going to play my
veteran stars one snap in preseason and people are like, whoa, wha, Yeah,
you're not gonna be ready. They want eight and no
to start the season. And now people look at it
and go, yeah, kin, I don't want anybody hurt. Now
there is a line here, because you're gonna want a
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couple series of snaps, Like, I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
You don't want to go cold.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Interesting that I believe, and you have touched on this,
that the NFL is the shield and corporate and a
lot of these coaches there's a dogma and a rigidity
and they just don't want to change stuff, and it's
hard to flip the telescope. And I think coaches struggle
allowing quarterbacks like you and Breeze, it's your offense, go
(14:37):
to the line and call what you see. I think, coach,
I think quarterbacks can be over coached at the line
of scrimmage, not at practice. Sure you have touched on
the fact that you don't think quarterbacks are developing that
sort of pre sense snap.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Is some of it the rigidity of coaching, Yeah, okay,
so it is.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, and the ability to develop that player, to give
him the tools so that when he gets to the
line of scrimmage and he sees blitz. Okay, if they're
blitzing me, these are the two protections I can use
when they blitz. These are the two or three routes
that I can signal to my receivers that can beat
the blitz or vice versa. We have we're anticipating blitz,
so we call a play that's gonna protect and nope,
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they're actually playing a very safe zone. I want to
make sure I can get all my players out into
the route and I can change the call, the protection
and the routes that everybody can get into the defense.
So what are you trying to do? You're trying to
give the quarterback to really be a field general quarterback.
You got the last swipe of the pencil.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
You know, the.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Defense can call their play. They're going to line up.
Offense calls a play in the huddle, they walk the
line scrimmage. Defense calls a play, they adjust to the formation,
offense is lined up in, they have their call set.
It was always my job to say, well, I know
what my play is. Now I look at the defense. Okay,
I think I know what they're in. Does what I
have call is.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Going to work?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
And that was my judgment and they would have to
live and die with my judgment the entire team. Now,
I developed a trust within the team, my teammates in
the organization to say, Tom.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
We want you to have that. We trust you.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
To have that final swipe at that pencil, but we're
not going to snap the ball into Let's say there's
a safety blitzing off the right side, and I got
to run right at the right side, and I know that.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Nobody can block him.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm not going to snap the ball and run it
into the strong safety blitzing and tackle our running back
four yards in the backfield. I'd say, Okay, if the
strong safety's coming on the right and we got to
play to the right, what do you want me to do?
You want me to run to the left, you want
me to check to a pass. Those are the options.
That's how I would think about the game. There was
always a reason why I did something. If if he
was blitzing off the left and I wanted to run
the right, great, let's snap the ball.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Everything was intentional.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, there wasn't a time I would hope that I
would have never snapped the ball into a bad defense.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Now did I?
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Of course I did, because sometimes the defenses wanted to
disguise a lot of things they didn't want to show me. Okay,
Brady likes to get a great pre snap read. Let's
really mess with him. Let's, you know, kind to toggle
the safeties back and forth, and we're going to make
it challenging for him to really decipher Buffalo. When I
played Buffalo, they wouldn't move until after the ball was snapped,
So if the safety was coming down on the left
or on the right, they were gonna do it after
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the snap all the time. And they would just play
in this little shell defense. Ballby snapped in here they go,
they rotate because every defense has strengths and weaknesses to it.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
My job as a quarterback was always.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
To delineate where the strengths and weaknesses were and was
the play that I had called was it able to
take advantage of the weaknesses of the defense. And if
it couldn't, then I was supposed to get to a.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Play that would.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
And I think that's part of the development that I
had as a player, was they gave me the tools
to be able to do that, and they gave me
the trust over a period of time that I was
ultimately going to make the right decision for the team.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Intentional is sometimes confused for intensity. Knowing and reading the
temperature in the room is important. And there's a story
about John Wooden, the late legendary coach, and he was
very strict, you know, the pyramid of success, and he
felt his team before a championship game was tight.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
And so he made the decision. He said, all we're doing.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Is dunking at practice today, and everybody was having fun,
and he sensed the temperature in the room.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
My team is tight. We gotta have a fun practice.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
You had what I would view as a highly efficient,
don't mess around head coach.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Were there times.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
That's a polite way to say that, yes, I'm trying
to be very difficult, good job.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I would think you would have to provide the question
I'm going to ask. Were there times, because of Bill's manner,
that you felt on a Saturday night when you go
into that meeting were way too tight?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I got a light in this room up a little.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I think the answer would be no.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
And I think that's where Bill was actually so great,
and no one saw him in those moments like we did.
And Saturday night, we were so prepared and so focused.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
We were the opposite of tight.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Really, we were always relaxed because we had the answers
to the test.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I knew that.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
I went through the call sheet, and let's say we
had one hundred and fifty calls on the call sheet.
There was a meeting at a squad meeting eight o'clock.
I would meet with the quarterbacks starting at six thirty
in the offense corner. We go through every single play
on the call sheet, and we do exactly what we did. Okay,
this is a play, this is the run. What's the
one thing that could mess this run up?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:19):
A safety blitz off the right side. Okay, great, what
do you want to do if that happens? So I'd
walk to the line of scrimmage that call, that call was made,
I'd break the hood.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
I'd look at the line scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I'd say, Okay, the only problem I have on this
play is if the safety is blitzing off the right side,
and then I would just look for it. Oh and
he only did it, let's say five percent of the time.
So most coaches would just say, I just run the
play whatever if they get lucky and call it at
the same time, one for them. And that's not how
I played, because that one play could mean everything.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So I would say, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
If it's a five percent chance it could happen, what
should I do if it happens.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So I would tell the line, Okay, if this guy's
blitz is what I'm doing I'm gonna check to this
play called wolf for a called beatle, or called python,
whatever we wanted to call it.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
This is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Or I'm gonna check to a screen Liz rip, I'm
gonna change the protection and go to Greto or great.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
So there was all these different code words.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
When we had that, we can get them so quickly
because it's hard to do when they're seventy thousand fans.
You it's hard to do with it, communicate to everybody
in ten seconds to go from one play to another play.
But that's what the continuity allowed us to do over
a long period of time. That's what the same coordinator,
the similar core group of players could do, the same
offensive line coach.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Oh yeah we did that two years ago. Yeah, I
like that solution at work. Great. That allowed us to
win the game. Great, we gained confidence in it.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So that continuity that we had with all of us
allowed us to succeed in those little small percentage chances
that they did something or made a call that could
beat what we were doing. And I think so much.
That's that's what the beautiful part about the sport is.
That's the chess game. In football, it's not checkers. It's
not soccer where everything's reaction. It's not hockey, it's not basketball.
They're all set pieces. They all there's a play. And
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when I looked at the real field generals when I
played growing up with where that was John Elway, Dan Reno.
Then you got to the pay Mannings and Drew Brees
and Philip Rivers like that's all we tried to do.
We try to say what's the defense doing and how
can we beat the defense on every single play? And
then we'd come out of the game. That's how we
would judge ourselves. Did I make the right call?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
There? Not always? Did I make the right throw?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Did I snap the ball into a defense that that
play would actually work?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Tom Brady from yesterday, And as I watched that, it
just increased my anticipation to watch Tom and the booth.
He's really become. And I'm sure I don't know Tom personally.
I'm sure he was always a good storyteller. But you know,
and I've said this before, you will become the broadcaster
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that you were as a player. If you are sort
of go with your gut, that's how you'll be as
a broadcaster. Maybe instincts over prep. If you are into
work ethic almost to an obsessive nature, that's what you
will become as a broadcaster. And that's why I've kind
of theorized that I think Tom is going to be
(22:01):
very effective. He's going to start and be good get
better over time because he just simply puts the time
in it. I think in my life, as I've watched broadcasters,
athletes become broadcasters. Their personality that steered their athletic endeavors,
it's eventually the same qualities that steer their broadcasting. Charles
(22:22):
Barkley was an artist. Didn't know he wasn't a great
practice player. He wouldn't know as the best at prep,
but he was really funny and dynamic as a player
and as a broadcaster he was highly memorable both. And
I think Tom's just going to be really good and
(22:42):
just keep building on it and building on it. That
would be my guest. But as I watched that interview,
as I was in it yesterday and watched it here,
it just makes me I can't wait for his opener,
which is Dallas against Cleveland, and for a million reasons,
that game is a fascinating opener.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So I hope you enjoyed Tom.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
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Speaker 1 (23:10):
Jill haven't given me an answer in between breaks, Jay
Mack on why there's all these Dodger fans all over
stadiums with the best seats.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I'm looking for an answer. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
I mean, gee peppering me with questions today. You had
that one just now, Dur that's a thought provoking question.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
About the thing we just talked about.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's a lot to take in. Plus,
I'm monitoring this England situation with Denmark. COPA America starts tonight.
Like there's just a lot happening now.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Is when United States Bolivia is when Sunday Sunday.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
So Monday show will be a banger, Caitlin Clark, Angel
Rea Sunday, USA Bolivia Sunday.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You'll you're an airplane, Well, I'm leaving. I'm doing an
overnight flight on you know I like overnights. Yeah, you
and I fall asleep instantly anywhere. We just can't stay asleep. Yes,
but my wife will not do. My daughter and I
love overnights. We can fall asleep anywhere instantly. And my
(24:06):
wife will not go with me because she can't sleep
on plane. So she's like, you won't talk to me.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'm just sitting there wide awake up to me. She's
like three in the mornings. She's like, I'm sitting there
by myself in a six hour flight, and so she
won't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
So I love overnight flights.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Get a glass of wine when you first get on,
and it's just like, maybe throw something down and boom.
Speaker 7 (24:27):
Are you one of those pop up pill?
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
You know that I don't need to be on planes.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
No, I'll do a huge workout in the day, no nap,
so I'll be exhausted by plane takes off at ten thirty.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
You are mister airports. You should write a book about
airports and flights.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And my daughter was young, she wanted us to take
connecting flights because she loved airports. Let let's not go direct,
and I'm like, honey, you'll learn over time. You want
to go direct. You don't want delay, especially during like
the summer, when the airports are packed, but Jmack with a.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
News no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (25:03):
Some news in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Denver Broncos looking about back after last season's disappointing run.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
They just made it interesting higher.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
According to Adam Schefter, the Broncos have hired former Stanford
head coach David Shaw as a senior personnel executive. The
two work together with the Eagles way way way back
in nineteen ninety seven. Shaw, of course, was a great
coach at Stanford with Andrew Lucke. And you know Stanford,
it's tough to get big time recruits. They fell on
hard times. He's looking to go the executive route now.
(25:35):
A nice hire, I guess for Denver. You know, I
don't know what Shaw is going to bring to the table.
Just difference out of eyes and.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yeah, I think he's a smart guy that brings a
different perspective. I think that's always a good move.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
He's been a pretty quiet guy. Remember there was a
time where it was he was ticketed for the NFL.
A lot of people had him going to the New
York Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, then there was a lot of regression at Stanford,
and Stanford's a hard place to win. There's a reason
Stanford is usually rebuilding than been building into a power
like that. Twice in my life they've been you know,
hardballs one of them, one of the occasions.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
But Stanford's a hard place to win.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's just they have a hard time having eighty five
players on scholarship because they don't qualify for the school. Yeah,
they're usually at seventy five. They just it's hard to
get kids in.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
It's interesting.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Remember Sean Payton did not give Russ the contract. It
was the front office that did. And now Sean Payton's
quietly remaking the front office in his own liking.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's very interesting take, you know, because Peyton worked with
David Shaw before. Yeah, so they've worked together before on
the offensive side of the ball. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Were people like Peyton hot seat and I thought about it,
I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
I don't think they would part of it. I don't
think Peyton's on a hot.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Seat this year.
Speaker 7 (26:43):
You know Sean Batten, No.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Absolutely not. Now it's his rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
No. And for the record, last year, the offense wasn't
the issue, if you're honest about it. The defense was
a sieve. Denver's defense was like twenty seven. Sean resurrected
and saved Russell Wilson. Is the first thing he did
is he rebuilt the offensive line that ended up being
a really nice offensive line, a top seventy eight offensive line.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
He saved Russ and then kicked into the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Curve well right, but he had to resurrect Russ to
get anything to move him at all. So I mean,
in the end, if you're gonna be honest about it,
because I know Sean's polarizing was the defense that was
a problem. He didn't draft any of that defense, so
they don't blame Sean Payton. Sean Payton got the most out.
I still contend that Denver is the safest over bet
(27:33):
on draft Kings and all these companies five and a
half wins.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
If they are competent.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
It could look at this schedule until you get to
week ten, week nine, there's Dob's here.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So I get that, and I like looking at schedules.
There's a problem when you don't even have a quarterback.
You don't even know who the quarterback is before we
look at the schedule, who's starting under center.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Ration, No, they know who the quarnerback.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Zach Wilson is at the livest arm in camp.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
A lot of smoke screens in Denver, but they know
who the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
All right, Let's let's pivot to the NBA, where reports
indicate that one of the better players in this NBA postseason,
Pascal Siakam, good player, four year, one hundred and eighty
nine million dollar max deal with the Packers. Sorry, Pacers,
it's not official, but he intends to sign it. Yea
good player can sign it when when the league's free
agency moratory amends July six.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Halliburton, those are their guys. They got
a good core, I'm and they play and Rich's a
good coach, and they play with a lot of tempo.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
So it's not a I like what they do.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think they're an atrocious defensive team, right, So they
got to get some They got to get some three
and D guys, some wing defenders. They are bad on
the win. They are a bad defensive team. Very rarely
do I watch a team they're frustrating to watch defensively.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, they just it was. They're awful.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
That being said, and this is not a hot take
because the numbers back it. Up. They played the Celtics
much tougher than the Dallas Matachineah, they did.
Speaker 7 (29:02):
They just match up better. I know, people don't love.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
They're gonna see, oh he's got like forty seven million dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
No, it's a very very good B plus player in
the sate.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
That to Obias Harris deal back in the day. No, no, no, no, no,
he's a good player. Yes, very strong NBA I like
Mobile five, Like I think he works. Oh yeah, I
think he absolutely, he's a problem. Yeah, you know, I
think Pascal Siakam is a good player. You'd prefer you
to be your three, not your two. I think you're
a championship team, but Pascal Siakam is your three. What
are the Celtics now doing that where it's like, hey,
(29:33):
we don't have a one. We've got like yeah, well
I mean clears and yeah whatever, you know, And clearly
you'd prefer.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
A one historically. But I think Boston has kind of
you know, sprinkled the infield. But we've got a bunch
of really good players. But you got to remember Boston
still comes down to two guys, primarily Tatum Brown. It's
a it's the best duo in the league. Yes, okay,
so it's it may not be your alpha, but it's
the best duo, just like Jordan Pippen was, that was
your best to Kdi and Staph was your best duo
(30:03):
in the league. Now those are higher end duos. But
we got to be honest here, Brown and Tatum are
borderline first team All NBA guys. So at Tatum first
team All NBA the last three years.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
He's just a la.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Final word on the Pacers. I know people are excited
for the Sixers. What are they gonna do with their
max salary spot? We'll talk about that. I know people
like the Knicks. There may be one move away. I'm
just telling you.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
The Pacers went to the in season championship game. They
lost Haliburton, who missed a bunch of times. Otherwise they're
looking at a much higher seed and they made the
conference finals. Just keep an eye on Indian No not
sexy but the fever popping' and now you got Halliburton
and Saco.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
No. I got no problem. Pam Siakam.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
He is an absolute pro, highly productive. I think he
mostly plays there's a lot of games I don't in
my mind, I don't think of him as an injured
player a lot.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
No, I like him, he's good.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Final story, is Paul George biggest name heading into the
market this offseason.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
The Sixers won him. That's obvious.
Speaker 6 (30:59):
Clippers they didn't want to pay him the max money.
So Paul George now on what he's looking for in
free agency.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
For sure, contributed to winning basketball.
Speaker 8 (31:11):
But I mean at this point, I'm not even necessarily
like it's not even about like you know, people saying
chasing the championship, like, it's not that, but it's playing
the right style of basketball is what I'm chasing.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Right style of basketball. So I just went through it
with a producer. I can only tell you three styles
of basketball in the NBA right now. Three the Warriors
Steve Kurr system, Celtics and their five out, and.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
The Miami Heat heat culture.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
I mean maybe I'm missing one.
Speaker 6 (31:47):
But is Paul George trying to send a signal here
with I want to play the right style of basketball?
Because I'll say it right now through Joe Ellenbiid, is
not a style of basketball in Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (31:55):
I don't think that's a style of Paul George's.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I thought it was very interesting that Jeff Van was
highly paid to be Tylo's top assistant, and ty lu
Van Gundy is known as a very strict, detail oriented guy.
And now not to say Ty can't be both, but
the Jeff Van Gundy higher, what signal is it sending?
(32:20):
We know Ty's a good coach and we know he's
he it is it is somebody. Here's Here's my theory
Jeff Van Gundy will be the bad cop is that
you don't want to lose the room with a Harden
and a Kawhi.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
You don't want to lose the room.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So Ty knows that he played in this league and
he's coached that he doesn't want to lose the room.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Okay, but he wants.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
A bad cop to get on Kawhi, to get on Harden.
I don't think Terrence Man and Paul George are the problem.
I think the other guys are. And so he comes in,
Van Gundy comes in. He does not care if he
ruffles feathers.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
As you're read that, the Van Gundy higher means Paul
George is more likely to stay or.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Go stay because I think Paul's excellent and I wouldn't
want to get rid of him. I think Van Gundy's
been brought in to be the buffer that can deliver harsh, intense,
detail oriented news. Ty is playing the long game. He
got a new contract. Yeah, he doesn't want to lose
the room. You can very easily in this league lose
the room. In the NFL, you don't get you cut somebody.
(33:21):
In the NBA, you can't lose the room. So I
think Van Gundy's gonna be a little bit of the
bad cop.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Well, it's interesting Tyleru and Jeff Van Gundy, or Hey,
what's going on in Orlando? Paul Georgia and you want
the maxial from the Orlando Magic Gun. I don't know
their coach was bang on Orlando. I don't know their
coaching staff. I don't know their style.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
The Orlando is a lesser version of the Indiana Pacers.
They're coming. They're not quite good as Indiana, but they're coming.
They got a big they like Boncaro, they got guards,
they like Jalen Suggs now Is turned around like Orlando's
no joke there. I don't think they're quite ascending.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I shouldn't say this. I think they're.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Indiana and the East. Just keep your eye on them.
Indiana's ahead of them right now. You know they're they're they're.
Speaker 7 (34:05):
They push Cleveland to seven games.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
No, no, Orlando's no joke. Orlando's coming Paul George.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
I mean, I'm not banging on Orlando.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I'm just saying, like, that's this team that has been
linked to Paul George.
Speaker 7 (34:15):
I don't know if he leaves the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
There are worst places and places to live in America
than Orlando.
Speaker 7 (34:19):
Ah, tons of worse places.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean your families from that. I used to live
in Tampa. I went to Orlando all the time. Not
in July though, it's a little hot.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
So what how about you?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You don't have a pool? The Butler Shaine Lakes got
lakes everywhere in.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Lakes in Florida. You'll go in alligators everywhere in your mind.
Come on, you couldn't pay me. I would need at
least six gas.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Or attempt to do on the Butler chain many times.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Bro. Remember those alligators. They don't like boat engines, so
they stay away from your boats.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
So I know you're going away on a big vacation.
Please don't go on to a lake and get eaten
by an alligator.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Come on, they don't like boat engines.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
They like human they're like flesh.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
You know about the alligators spin when they take you
underwater to please you're getting me concerned.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Out come on JM. Mackle the news.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Now Orlando Winter Park. You know Winter Park in Orlando.
It's one of my favorite little areas in the country,
one of my favorite little suburbs in America.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
If it's good enough for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Winter Park, Florida's outstandings good enough for me.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
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Speaker 6 (36:04):
Tonight will be one of the most special days of
the baseball season when the Giants take on the Cardinals
from historic Rickwood Field in an amazing tribute to the
Negro leagues.
Speaker 7 (36:15):
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Speaker 6 (36:16):
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Coverage for the game begins tonight at five thirty Eastern
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Speaker 1 (36:32):
Bruce arians now upstairs in Tampa right coach Tom to
the Super Bowl and a great NFL career, was talking
over the last couple of days with a reporter in
Phoenix about Kyler Murray. Bruce obviously used to coach in Arizona,
and the quote was interesting. He said, I think Kyler's
evaluation it's still up in the air. He makes amazing
(36:54):
plays and poor ones. He said, the problem with the
guys that depend a lot on their legs is they
have leg injuries all of a sudden. Now you got
to go back to worrying about It's the arm and
the brain over the leg. And I think he's still
in the process of figuring out can he win without
the running well.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I do think Kyler should keep running.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Jared Goff is one of the only successful purely pocket guys.
I like all my guys to move a little. Even
brock Pertty can move a little. So Kyler shouldn't stop
doing that. But he's in a very strange place. Is
Kyler Murray. He is really super talented. First of all,
he completes like sixty seven percent of his throws, so
he's an accurate thrower behind very average o' lines. He's
a playmaker, and he got his team to the playoffs.
(37:35):
Yet he doesn't have one of the three groups that
like him fans, media, or his own team, and that's
very rare. Usually you get buy in from some now. Now,
the media may push back on Trevor Lawrence, but the
fans in Jacksonville love him, and so does the team.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
The fans.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You know, some media and fans can push back on Tua,
but they're gonna give him a big contract, so the.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Team's into him. Kyler didn't have any of it.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And generally when a quarter backs young and evolving and
is struggling a little like a Jordan Love early last year,
you hear a lot of this, be.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Patient, be patient.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You don't hear that with that with Tyler Murray either. Uh,
the owner put a stipulation in the contract that he
you know, he has to study so much time daily.
The fans push back on him. I don't think the
media necessarily likes him much. Uh, he never gets a
head coach who's been a head coach before. The owner
is low on cash and he's running for his life
(38:31):
and has been injured. The one thing, it's like, he's
really the only young quarterback in the league who's really
really talented and has like no like significant fan base,
media fans. Even his own team feels a little bit
like they're they're guarding themselves. They're paying him because they
(38:54):
have to, but if you ask him privately, you wouldn't
be sure they were all in. And I go to this,
I think it's the video game thing, and not just
that he likes video games. If it was Crossford puzzles,
he liked to read books, watch documentaries, it would feel different.
There is something about being a gamer as you grow
(39:15):
up that people look at it and think you got
to kind of grow out of being a gamer, like
you grow up eventually. Quarterback is an adult position. It's
an adult position, and it'd be when you get when
you sit down to game, that's not something you do
for fifteen minutes. It's not reading a chapter of a book.
You're in for a while, You're in for ninety minutes.
(39:36):
And we were talking about this this morning. Now I'm
not a gamer, but I will tell you if I
found a forty five year old guy that was a gamer,
would you think less of him?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Would you.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
A forty five year old man gamer? That's your eyes.
It's odd literally in front of a screen playing games.
Speaker 7 (39:55):
So that's impossible. If you have a wife and kids,
you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
That's right. That means you have grown up.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah, you have a wife and a kid. But I'm
saying why. I think a lot of this gaming stuff
that in the league I have had, I couldn't say
the last time I had an executive in the league
say something positive about Kyler Murray, who is one of
the best playmakers got Arizona in the playoffs, is running
for his life, has never had a good offensive line,
(40:21):
has never had a head coach.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
He's been a head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
And I think there is this stigma the gaming thing,
being a gamer. I think there's a stigma with it,
and I know gamers don't think there's a stigma. I mean,
when's the last time you went up to a young
woman and said, oh, your single, what attracts you?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
And she said, oh, I love gamers.
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