January 30, 2025 • 43 mins
7-time Super Bowl Champion Tom Brady joins the show to tell Colin how the Chiefs and Eagles can capitalize on the extra time to prepare for the Big Game
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It's hour two, Greg co
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hour live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thank you
for making us part of your day. So Jay Mack
and I were talking about this last hour before we
went to break. We were talking about, you know, the
dynasty we have here and the Eagles don't have a dynasty.
They just get to this game a lot in the
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last eight years, so they've been in the last thirty years.
I looked it up this morning. There have been seven
pro dynasties, Mahomes, Reed, Brady, Belichick, Warriors, Kobe Shack, MJ. Pippen,
Phil Jack Jackson, Duncan Parker, Parker Pop and then the
Jeter Yankees and so you have big cities New York, LA, Chicago.
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You have smaller cities Casey, San Antonio. You've got two NFL,
one Baseball four NBA. All of them have one superstar minimum.
All of them have a great manager or coach. The
strangest of the dynasties is Kobe Shack where they didn't
actually get along. Phil Jackson kind of held it together.
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It ended very abruptly, It didn't last very long, and
it wasn't built on culture. The other six of the
seven were kind of culture bond, same direction, didn't always
have everything lined up as in terms of personnel. The
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Lakers really were just two superstars and a coach who
didn't necessarily get along with the guy in the front office,
Jerry West. It was all sorts of egos that ended abruptly.
Phil Jackson held it all together, was super glue and
his zen master abilities. But other than that, the six
of the seven all kind of feel the same. They
last a while, we get tired of them. There's a
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certain fatigue after a while. They're not all fascinating. The
Spurs were kind of boring, but most of them are
kind of equipped with a great player, a great manager
of men, a strong defiant culture. The Lakers are the
outlier there.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh wait, you said we got a lot of people
got sick of these teams. I don't remember. Oh the
Yankees they're back again. Like that team was beloved nationally. No,
Derek Jeter was like a wholesome leader of the of
the franchise.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
George Steinbrenner was loved nationally.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And Georgeteinbrenner was not on the field.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
They were lying. People get all upset in New York
about what the Dodgers are doing financially. That's what the
Yankees did. They were they were called the evil Empire.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think that's more a Steinbrenner thing. I don't think
they were like hated like people.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I think people liked Jeter.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So did people love the San Antonio Spurs. No, they're
bored out of their minds Lakers. I don't think they
were hated because Kobe and Shack were utterly dominant in
their prime.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, they were kind of cocky.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, So are any of these dynasties likable do you think?
Or are all of them?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I like dynasties.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I like them, I think if they feel special. But
most of these are resented by people, and now the
Kansas City Chiefs are Greg Cosel. Forty five years NFL films.
Here we go. So you know, next week we're going
to talk about some Kansas City stuff and some Philadelphia stuff.
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So I'll get to that here in a couple of minutes.
But I do want to start with this. I don't
think it's crazy to say from what my eyes told
me that Jade and Daniel, the NFC over the last
eleven years has had ten different teams in the Super
Bowl and ten different quarterbacks. The AFC. It's becoming pretty
you know, it's it's Brady, it's Mahomes. And I said,
the NFC needs a Mahomes. The NFC needs their Holmes.
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And watching this kid, Greg, I know it feels hyperbolic here.
I know he struggled against Philadelphia. What did the film say?
But boy, he feels special. He feels different for his age.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know, Colin. First of all, I love jayde Daniels.
I loved him coming out. But I think we always
have to be careful. Think back one year ago when
everybody just assumed that CJ. Stroud this year would be
a top five quarterback in the league. Based on his
rookie season, and sometimes it doesn't work that way. Now,
obviously Stroud and Daniels are totally different players, and I
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love Jaydeon Daniels. I mean, I love the way he plays.
I love the way he plays from the pocket. I
just love his feel for the game because he's not
a runner per se, even though he can run and
run very very well. I think he throws the ball really,
really well. There's clearly a savvy to his game. I
wouldn't expect him to regress in any meaningful way, but
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I think that teams, certainly in the NFC East and
certainly when the schedule comes out, will really study him
in great detail and look to see better ways in
their mind to defend him. And then we'll see as
time progresses, because that's what coaches do. But there's no
question that he has a feel to him in the
way in which he plays the game. Just a savvy,
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unnatural savvy about him that you know not many have
at that young and age.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I want to one overriding question on Philadelphia, and
I've said this and I don't feel I don't feel
this about any other team. There are moments watching the
Eagles offense that I think to myself, why do they
ever punk O line weapons, sap Goddard they get, But
there are also times this year, Greg they get out
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of rhythm and I tend to look at Siriani and go,
how can this happen? Is a lot of their success
simply based on Jalen Hurts ball security.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, I think that's a huge factor and cannot be overstated.
The fact that Jalen Hurts never turns the ball over
is so critical in the context Colin, of their entire
team because keep in mind, putting aside the long drive
that the Commanders had to start the game, is teams
don't go a long distance with a lot of plays
against the Eagles defense. That's the way vic Fango has
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always played defense. It's very difficult to sustain long drives.
So now, if you're an Eagles offense, if indeed you
do have to punt or even if you give the
ball up on downs, and by the way, they are
a four down offense, which is also a big deal
and a very important part of who they are offensively.
But if they do have to punt, then what happens
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is is the opposing offense has seventy five eighty eighty
five ninety yards to go for a touchdown, and that's
a big deal. That's really hard to do so very often.
I know some fans in Philadelphia get upset when they
see Jalen Hurts run out of the pocket to his
right and throw the ball away. Yeah, he misses some throws.
Maybe there are times he holds the ball too long,
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but the bottom line is he does not turn the
ball over, and in the context of their entire team,
that is a really, really big deal.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
All right, let's talk Buffalo Kansas City. Let's just get
to the film. I thought Josh Allen looked very nervous
on his first drive. I didn't think he was in
great rhythm throughout, but that's you know, you're playing a
great defense. I don't know if SPAGS allows you to
get into a great rhythm. What did the film say
on Josh Allen's afternoon.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that he looked like Brett
Fahr on the first series. But you know, remember how
Brett Farv used to come out in the first series
would be all those rocket balls and then he'd settle in.
I thought that Josh Allen did settle into the game.
You know, games like that. First of all, it is
a very difficult defense to play against, there's no question.
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And the thing about speck Noel is he's very situational
in what he does. People probably think he blitz is
at a really really high percentage because they're so successful
with their blitzes, But he doesn't necessarily blitz at a
really high percentage. He's just so good as to when
he blitzes and how he goes about doing it, and
he obviously does it in really critical, high leverage game situations.
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They came out the Bills in the third quarter and
they ran the ball. They had a really nice drive
running the ball predominantly by the way out of eleven
personnel versus the Chiefs nickel defense where they had Shamari
Connor as their nickel corner. Only one of the runs
came out of six to zero line. But you know,
the Bills did score twenty nine points and they never
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really had a short field, so I thought their offense. Ultimately,
if you score twenty nine points in the AFC Championship
game on the road, you probably feel pretty good about
your chances for winning these games. As you know, come
down very often to individual plays. It was that way
for the Chiefs. I mean the Chiefs made the Chiefs
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have settled into offensively. Colin's very interesting given this season.
Who knows what's going to happen in the super Bowl,
but the Chiefs has settled this season into being a
third down offense and a red zone offense. They don't
get big plays in the past game. I mean I
was amazed in doing research over the last number of weeks.
Do you know Xavier Worthy only had I'm talking regular
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season now, he only had four catches of twenty or
more yards in the entire regular season. Think about that
for a minute. They don't get big plays in the
passing game. That's not who they are. They convert on
third down. They're phenomenal with their schematics and their tactics
on third down, and you've got the Mahomes factor with
his legs, and then they get in the red zone
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and they're really, really good.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, any Reid told me yesterday, he said, there's no
question that Patrick is a better quarterback today than three
to four years ago. How do you see that on film?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I think that he's a incredibly aware player, you know, Obviously,
the talent level is high, and when he had Tyreek Hill,
there were a lot more big plays down the field
and it looked great. But I think just the way
he controls the game. See keep in mind that even
though they were not a big playofffense in terms of
explosive twenty plus yard plays, he had the second most
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dropbacks in the entire league this year, So they are
a pass first team, so the ball is in his hands.
He controls the game at a really high level mentally,
and I think that that can often be overlooked because
we're so used to the physical plays that he makes.
But I think mentally he really controls the game. And
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we've talked about this through the years. His feel for
spatial awareness is just ridiculous, the way he just understands
intuitively and innately where people are on the field. And
he's another quarterback. I mean, I know they had the
one fumble against the Bills in the championship game, but
he hasn't thrown an interception in what eight or nine
or ten weeks. Another you know, he doesn't turn it
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over either. He just has a tremendous feel for the
game and what's required in given situations.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So let's go to your big play. I want to
watch the breakdown here.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, well, this play ultimately was a great example of
their red zone what they do in the red zone.
It was not third down, but it was a red
zone play and it was the touchdown to Worthy. So
if we could take a look at it, we'll see
because these are the kinds of things that I love
when I watch tape, just the way teams are so
schematic in what they do, and I think that's what
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I love about football, the schematics of it. So here
they're at the ten yard line and Mahomes is in
the gun and they go into an empty set, meaning
that there's nobody in the backfield with Mahomes. Now, on
this particular play, what the Bills chose to do was
they chose to play a single high safety in the
middle and they played man coverage. So this is Cover one.
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So it's a single high safety and man to man
across the board. So now what we want to focus
on here is to the trip side on Smith, Schuster
and Worthy, and they're basically in a stack formation tight
to the offensive formation, and as we said, it's man
to man and they actually have Hammelin a safety who's
matched Unworthy because they're a nickel defense, so they have
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Hamlin unworthy. So what they end up doing here is
they run a natural pick concept. This is not illegal.
Smith Schuster releases vertically and he basically is going to
pick Hamlin and now Worthy's going to break outside. So
Hamlin has traffic to work through. He has to decide
do I go over the top of this, do I
try to get underneath it? What do I do? There's
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a pick right in front of me and you can
see that, and what ends up happening is he waits,
and so what happens he waits and then he's late.
And now there's another element to this, as you can see,
because he's trying to get Oh he ends up going
underneath it, but he's late. And then you have Hopkins
who's clearing out here. He's not really part of the play,
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he's just clearing out and that creates a lot of space.
So it creates space for Worthy. They run the natural
pick and it becomes a pitch and catch touchdown. This
is just beautiful, beautiful design in the red zone where
they're so so good and you know by the way
they scored in the red zone. I think four out
of five times. I think they ended the game in
the red zone, but that didn't count the first touchdown
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of the game, Colin, which was Kareem Hunt, and the
last touchdown of the game, which was Patrick Mahomes, which
was his run or the exact same play, the exact
same play. They just gave it to Hunt on the
first one, and on the second one Mahomes kept it.
So they're really good on third down and in the
red zone, and with Mahomes feel for the game, they
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are a really good offense in kind of a non
traditional way because they don't really get explosive plays in
the past.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Game as we're showing it here, a nice guy job
by the guys in our control room showing those as
you talk about it is the exact the exact same the.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Exact same same information, same action in the backfield, same pulling,
tackling guard and Hunt carries on one, Mahomes keeps the other.
So they're just you know, they're really good situational football
in breaking down defense on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
By the way, great stuff, Greg Cosel NFL Films. We'll
see you and talk to you next week, Greg, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3 (14:53):
Some interesting stuff happening with the Rams. Colin. Remember we
just talked yesterday about let's need it. We don't have
Cooper cuts coming back. You don't know about Matt Stafford. Well,
interestingly enough, Matt Stafford, he really wants to play again.
According to Ian Rappaport, Stafford has made a decision and
he plans to play in twenty twenty five. Rap sheet
adds that the Rams have no immediate plan to replace Stafford.
(15:16):
What is going on behind the scenes here, Yeah, almost
sounds like not everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, my sources tell me they love Stafford and Stafford
loves them. If it was a really strong quarterback class
and they had maybe a second round pick, which they don't,
they may draft the future quarterback. But it's not a
strong quarterback class and they don't have a second round pick,
and they're not going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
With a first pick.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So my take is from what I'm kind of being
led to believe, they love Stafford, they would love to
have him for a couple more years. Next year they'll
draft a quarterback, not this year. I mean again Jackson
Dart who's going to fill Vailabil again. So they kind
of know there's nobody in this draft that they think
is in the same stratosphere of Stafford. So what they're
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gonna do is try to add depth draft picks. The
Rams would love to have a lot of picks and
go draft depth this year because they know they're going
to have to give up so many picks to get
in to the top twelve next year for the best quarterback.
And so it's sort of like, let's go all in,
let's give Stafford, let's let's let's get more picks, load
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the roster up. Next year, we may have to trade
most of our picks to get the quarterback. But they're
all in on Stafford. They want him back, of course
they love you know, Listen, these good, well run teams
renegotiate contracts to free up cap space. I think there's
three or four needs in the draft. I think they
Cooper Cup is one. I think they'd move off with.
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I think they would have moved off him this year.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Is like Stafford's best friend on the team, I know,
or one of the best. Stafford has a forty nine
and a half million dollars cap hit next season and
they can save twenty seven million by trading him post
June first for who. Well, that's where it gets interesting.
We know the McVeigh tree has historically loved Kirk Cousins.
I'm not sure how that happened. Stafford, of course went
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to University of Georgia Pennix is there. Could the Raiders
get involved to get a quarterback here Kirk Cousins or
Stafford in some way shape or for him, I don't know.
Feels a little like musical chairs at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I think that's actually a great call. If you're the
Raiders and you're looking up at Mahomes, Herbert Peyton and
bow Nicks and nothing in this draft that's close to that,
and Kirk Cousins is so I mean, if Pete Carroll
now is at seventy two to seventy three, he wants
to win. Stafford got two great years left, and the
Raiders also have both their tackles, a dominant weapon, and
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their center for the future. It's not a bad old line.
It's not like Stafford would go and be running for
his life. The Raiders is a fascinating call.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And the Rams would then go after Kirk Cousins, who
isn't ninety percent of Stafford, you know, coming off the injury,
but play action McVeigh offense. Maybe you can make the
playoffs with with Kirk Cousins of quart.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Remember if you make a deal for the Raiders and
could get a second round pick, then you go get
one of those quarterbacks I like in the second round.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You know, we have a Raiders executive coming up shortly.
Maybe you could ask him about my my hot take
there just kidding. Next story is the Bengals. I'm just
telling you the Bengals are ripe for implosion. Sorry to
a producer on the show who loves them, obviously, Jamar
Chase is getting an extension, and then what happens with
t Higgins. Since he's director of player personnel, says extending
Chase is a priority and he's very important. Regarding Higgins,
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although they want him back, they want him back at
the right number for his experience. That is not what
I want to hear. If I'm Bengals fans, Higgins is
gonna he can name his price on the open market.
He can't. Anybody would be glad to have a superstar receiver.
And don't forget how about this, Trey Hendrickson asked for
a trade last season, by far their best defensive player,
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led the league in sacks. Asked if they want him,
Duke Tobin said, we can't have guys at the top
of the payroll in every position, right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, actually, Philadelphia does, so figure it out. I mean, seriously,
Philadelphia does the Niners did three years ago. Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Imagine getting to the Super Bowl, getting super close to
winning it, and then just three years later, appearing kind
of sort of clueless as to how to help to
build a roster and stack tips in Cincinnati. Colin, this
is bad.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't think this is good at all. A final
story is apparently they told me you want to talk
about this, and that would be Riley Leonard.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Riley Leonard very good.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yesterday he lost in the Natty, vomited after one drive.
Oh but look really sharp throwing against air down there.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Accord.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Speaking to reporters, Riley Leonard, your guy, Oh that's a dime.
Riley Leonard says, my best is yet to come. I
have more confidence now than I've ever had in my career.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Honestly, it's like one of those highlight YouTube video a
man against kids.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It almost looks like Joe Burrow dropping back in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Just drop you go ahead and laugh. I'm not I'm
not my track record in finding the old Jammeruski in
the draft. Okay, he's such a good kid, I see, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I like Rither Leonard. Obviously you know he's a nice player.
I just I'm not as bullish on him as youth.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think, uh, I think he has development. He needs
the right coach. But look at this thing. How do
you throw a frozen rope in the heat. There's an example.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't even know what you just said. Frozen rope
in the heat?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Oh dear, all right, j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
And Jean Batiste on the same show. I never thought
I'd seen that in my life. I'll be honest with you.
Let's go to Tom Brady twenty three seasons, seven times.
So you're one of the only I mean literally, you're
one of the only people on the planet who knows
what it's like to be the face of a franchise
going to another Super Bowl. The pressure's on to me,
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The pressure's on Kansas City. It's always on the favorite.
How did you zone out for two weeks? Now you
have your install day pretty quick? Did you hide?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Did you.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean, everybody's talking, you can't go outside.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Did you like that?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Or are you like, could we just play this Sunday?
Did you like the extra time?
Speaker 8 (22:45):
I like the extra time a lot because it gave
me extra time to do all the prep that I
needed to do. And I loved kind of the studying.
I love the minutia of the game plan. One of
my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl twenty fourteen.
We're playing the Legion of Boom and it's Friday night
before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like eleven
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or twelve days to prepare, and I come back from
dinner and it's probably like nine o'clock and I wasn't
feeling great about the red area package we had, and
I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room,
and I said, hey, we got to go through the
red area. I said, it's just too hard down there.
They'd play too much zone. And if I looked at
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the left earle moves to the left, I looked at
the right earl moose to the right. I was like,
we need a few easy plays where I could just
stick the ball in there on a play action pass,
get everyone in the linebackers to step up and let
me just rip something to the back of the end zone.
So we install three plays on Friday night, after two
weeks of preparation, all the practice is done, and one
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of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel the first one
of the game, and the second one is to Danny A.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Mondola later in that game.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
And we hadn't practiced them at all for eleven days,
and it was just I like to use every minute
of prep going up into those games because they're the
hardest ones to win, and it's so great to get here,
and both the Eagles and the Chiefs have had incredible
seasons to get to this point. But it all goes
for nothing if you don't win this game. And that's
what makes the drama so spectacular.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
The two or three. I mean, I've got so many
memories of you and Super Bowls, but I do remember this.
You guys were like a big heavyweight champ. You would
feel out the first round, the first quarters. And maybe
this was Belichick or you, but in the first quarters
you weren't terribly dynamic. You really did let the game
come to you. I was wondered, was that by design?
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Was this you saying, let's not unveil much here or
was it just nerves or was it like that was
Belichick's ideology, but you didn't historically you didn't have robust
first quarters.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yeah, they it was non intentional. Let me say that
we weren't trying to go out there and suck in
the first quarter, but most of the time we did.
There's there's there's definitely a little nerves. There's you know,
I think both teams are feeling each other out, and
we never really got behind too much. Atlanta one that
was kind of got away with a got away from
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us there in the first half. But I think for
the most part we were just we didn't execute the
plan exactly what we wanted.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And you're going up against a team that's.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Got a lot of good players, and they got a
lot of juice and energies are a lot in the stadium.
It does take a little bit of time to settle
into that game. It's it's an interesting game to play,
and it's it's unique because you know, most all games
you start at one o'clock on a Sunday, and regular
season it's done at four. This is a six o'clock start.
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Eastern time. It finishes at ten pm. It's a four
hour game, you know, thirty three percent longer than normal.
I often thought of the Super Bowl as two games.
There's a first half game and a second half game.
And it was really important for us as players not
to go out there pregame warm up and lose all
your energy because it was so built up from these
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couple of weeks of prep that you had, and you
waste all your energy in pregame warm up knowing that
you still had, you know, a four hour game ahead
of you. And I think that's why a lot of
the defenses really die in the second half.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
It's just such a long day.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Sure, there's so much emotional energy that gets kind of
put out, and then it's really who can survive the
fourth quarter of the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, the you know, you've watched so much of these
teams you had. This will be your fifth Eagles game.
And their offensive line to me, and I think Jalen's great,
but the offensive line's insane. You had good offensive lines.
I don't know if you had four Hall of Fame
offensive linemen. Have they gotten better? Do you feel like
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every time you watch the Eagles it was a different
version or do you kind of know what you're gonna
get when you call their games.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I think they've been you know, I don't see Gerrani
has done a great job with the adversity this year
and dealing with the adversity, and you know, I see.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Him hot, temperate at times.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
I really like that attitude that he's got. There's a
lot of consistency. You see that week to week, and
I think there has been a lot of consistency over
the course of the season from this team. When I
think they're really unstoppable is when Jalen Hurts is playing
in rhythm in the past game. Because I look at
that defense, the secondary has been consistent.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
They're been great all year.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Fangio scheme, Zach Bond has been as consistent anybody that
d line, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams. Those
guys are consistent. So the entire defense is consistent. The
running game's been there all year. That's consistent. AJ Brown
getting open, man coverage and Davontic Bean that's consistent.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Goddard getting open. That's consistent. The line block and well,
that's consistent.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
When they can string a consistent, rhythmic passing game. Together,
I think they're pretty unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, you know, there was a moment last night, and
and I've talked about this. I think Drew Brees and
you were really good at this, and I think Mahomes
is and this is not a knock on anybody, but
it's so much of what you did as a quarterback
was to avoid mayhem. It wasn't always over the top place.
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It was you just got him out of trouble. I
always say this about the great presidents. It's not always
their policy, it's it's being ahead of a potential problem.
That's what a good CEO does. And on that blitz,
always when Spags brings the corner blitz, listen, it's I mean,
nobody saw it coming, would you. I don't want to
compare you anything, but is that hard to identify or
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is that a quarterback's responsibility? Because corner blitz is tom
They may happen once every two weeks, it's rare. So
I saw that plan. I thought Josh has kind of
got to see that. Or am I being a sports
guy who doesn't just doesn't get it?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Okay, So it's a great question. And this spoke speaks
to a lot of things you and I.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Have talked about over this last year.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And unless a quarterback has total operational control of what
he's doing, it's going to be very hard against the
Spagnula defense because Spags is going to put so much
pressure on the protections and on the offensive line and
on the quarterback to sort things out after the snap
because some things look a bit unconventional. They're all on
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the right and they come to the left, they're all
on the left and they come from the right, and
everyone's spinning the defense at the snap of the ball,
and it gets very difficult for the quarterback if you're
not anticipating where the problems might be. And you may
get lucky every once in a while to make a
play work.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
But I just remember the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I played against Spags when I was at the Bucks
late in the career, and I felt like I had
studied so much film for two weeks. There was really
no blitz he could use that I wasn't going to
be prepared for, and when something looked a little funky
based on my film study, I had an answer for it.
And I had tried to have answers to his pressures.
But that took a veteran quarterback who had a great
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understanding of the protections, who could apply a lot of
different tools to get it protected. And then I was
able to go out there and play with a lot
of confidence. But again, this is you know, blitzing in
the NFL now has been very effective. I don't think
many quarterbacks have understandings of protections.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I don't think we're.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Allowing them to develop and that now they're kind of
learning on the fly, and it's a rough place to
learn out there on the playing field against a team
that has as many talented players as the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think the story of
this game is Reid and Mahomes and Spags against the
Green Wall of talent, and Philadelphia is a little like
that Seahawk team you faced. I remember that because I'm
from the Pacific Northwest and everybody thought I was a
Patriot Homer and a Brady Homer my entire time. I've
always been like Brady Homer guy, which is not a
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bad guy to be a Homer for. And I said,
I gotta be honest, I don't know if they can
beat Seattle, like I don't think when you go and
Mahomes was going to face a Philadelphia team, Tom they
may have nine Hall of Famers. I mean Jalen Carter
looks like and that Seahawks team was insane. Go back
to that game. Do you did you ever privately say
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to yourself, I don't know if we have the dudes
for that, I mean they are did you ever you
wouldn't say it publicly? But what was your mindset? Like
Mahomes this week when he watch his film and goes,
they don't have a whole they don't have a weakness.
How did you think about Seattle?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah, well that's a good that's a great example. That
defense was stacked from the pass rush, to the backers,
to the secondary, to the scheme, and not only that. Offensively,
they had you know, Marshawn a young Russell playing great
dynamic guys in the past game and they were they
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It took all of us to win. And I think
when you when I look at this game, if you're
going to beat the Chiefs, it has to be the
ultimate complimentary game because you could score to take the
lead with forty five seconds left in the game and
give the ball back to Patrick in that offense, and
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the whole world believes that Patrick, including himself and including
the defense he's going against, that he's going to drive
right down the field and score and take the lead again.
So it's like how Buffalo beat him in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Buffalo was aggressive even there were.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Up two points to take the ball and go for
it on that whatever fourth and two, and Josh made
a great play and scrambled in for the touchdown. But
it was almost like you got to get up two
scores in the end of the game to feel like
there's any relief because Patrick has has an amazing ability
to perform his best in the biggest moments, and there's
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a lot of fear that's in the other opponents late
in the game, and that's a good feeling to have
if you're the opposing coordination.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And you Tiger, I always said this, mahomes you Tiger.
When you could hear the gallery cheering and Tiger was
in a different foursome and you knew he just hit
a great shot. It got completely in your head as
you knew he just hit a birdie. And I think
there's part of that is that you do get so
I mean, you faced Mahomes in a Super Bowl. If
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I recall it was a pretty good game for you.
Did you go into that game thinking, guys, we got
to score blank? I mean, you got in everybody's else.
You spent a career getting in everybody else's head. Were
you aware of Mahomes? And was their discussion that week
on fellas we can't even give him thirteen secondsier that
kind of thing.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
So yeah, And we played them in twenty eighteen in
the AFC Championship game. They were a high flying offense Tyreek,
and we played a great kind of first half of
football in Kansas City and they come storming back like
in the second half and take the lead.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
It was almost like evaporated.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Now that was a very different offense than.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
They have now when we beat them in the Super
Bowl a few years ago.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Three years ago.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Now, we played a great complimentary game. We played really
well on offense. Defense played the best game they had
played all season. You know, they were struggling in pass protection.
I thought our defensive lines ability to get after him
and all the blitz schemes that Coach Bowles came up
with were really exceptional. But to me, it took a
great team effort, and that's the only way you're going
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to beat a great Chiefs team. Now the Eagles have
the team to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, that's why.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
I'm so excited about calling this game because it's to me,
the two teams that have been consistently great all season
long that are in this game, which is exactly how
it should be. And the outcome of this game is
going to be determined by a few plays, and no
one knows which plays they're gonna those are going to be.
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That's why you got to be on it from the
moment that you walk into the stadium. This is a
This is a great matchup for a lot of reasons.
There's a lot of stars, there's champions, there's coaches, there's
tremendous scheme, and then there's tremendous players that have played
well under pressure and it all kind of culminates in
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this great performance, you know, played out in front of
the whole world, and all these players that get to
be involved in it, this is a highlight of their
life and it's going to be a highlight of my
life being there to call the game.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm gonna talk about this because when you and Belichick
were in the middle of your dynasty. He hard coaches you,
he calls you out, he's rough. That's part of the culture.
But since you've gone your separate ways, Oh, he's like
a soft serve vanilla ice cream. He's a cream puff.
Now all he does is to he's a teddy bear.
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And he said yesterday he's like, you know what, just
just call the Lombardi Trophy the Brady Trophy. I remember
a piece of video when he gave you the game ball.
It was near your end in New England, and we
made fun of it on the air. I said, that
was so hard for Bill said, he was so uncomfortable.
But I kind of got it, Tom, I understood it.
It was the culture, it's the reality. It's like sometimes
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you have to be a tough parent when you're a dad, right,
And it Panda is when you look at Belichick and
you now, is there a warmth now that maybe wasn't
possible when you're in the middle of a dynasty.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Well, there's an intensity to our jobs naturally that I mean, Look,
we always had a great relationship.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
We still do.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
And I know there was a lot of things later
in my career that people would say or to try
to create division. I think there was always a great
respect for each other, and I was never I always
saw him as someone that I was trying to please
out there as my coach, and I wanted to be
the best I could be for the team, and he
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was always trying to deliver for our team in the
role that he was in. And were there are times
where we didn't see everything eye to eye, Yeah, But
I mean that's twenty years of a relationship. And I
said this in one of the documentary, is like, I'm
not characterizing our relationship based on, you know, a few
moments that weren't perfect for either of us. I mean
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we had as great as a relationship as you could
have over a long period of time, with a tremendous
amount of success. And there's no coach I would have
rather played for than him. He taught me so much.
And you're right, I think the role of that coach
is very much like a parent. You know, if you're
not performing well and your grades are below standard, you
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got to tell your kids that, And if they're putting
forth effort, you got to tell them that too. And
you've got to teach them and you got to develop
them and you've got to be there. And there's a
sophistication to being a parent, and a good parent at that,
expecting that a lot of these young kids today they
don't know what the right ways to do things are.
And you know what, sometimes to have a little bit
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of fear and people is a good thing. People should
have to wake up and go, God, I got to
do a good job today or else. And I think
that's very motivating. I think we're in a culture now
where everyone's hopefully it can be a little more balanced
that to be rewarded for bad behavior, to be rewarded
for being selfish, to be rewarded for thinking about yourself
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as an individual in the team sport like I love
playing against those guys. I never wanted to play with
those guys. You work too hard for too long to
think about yourself in situations in team sports. And I
think the culture that I was a part of in
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New England embrace the team first attitude and what are
the rewards of that? Well, championships were one, but more
importantly than that, I have relationships with my teammates that
go way far above and beyond what they ever were
on the football field. I look at the best experiences
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I've had in my life, and they're with these men
and women's and probably way more men in a football
locker room. But the coaches that contributed to my life
taught me in a very significant way that allowed me
to be the best I could be. And that's what
team sports are about, That's what shared experience is about,
that's what relationships are about. That's what ultimately the meaning
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of life is about. And we formed that bond that
are under an intense and the intensity about what we
were trying to do, and we got to do something
we love to.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
Do, which was play football.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
So I have look back on those moments as the
best moments in my life outside of being a parent,
as the things that have shaped me into who I
am today. And if I do anything in football, and
I'm going to be involved in football for a long time,
it's going to be to give back in the same way,
and there's no I am who I am at this point,
I'm going to do things similar way.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I always want to.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
Contribute to other people's goals and to help them achieve
what they want to accomplish.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, So Tom's going to be with me next Friday
in New Orleans, a city that it's hard to go
to bed. Oh, it's hard to go to bed early
in New Orleans. I'll somehow make it. You don't have
the responsibility, Tom, you can have you know, you can
go out and have a couple extra oysters in New Orleans. Now, good,
first time you can ever hate?
Speaker 8 (40:23):
No, No, Aaron yeah, no, Aaron Donald trying to hunt
me down. This preparations way easier, No lesion of boom
I was getting for. I could be looking at where
the best beignets in New Orleans are, or what a
hurricane is be down on Bourbon Street with you. But
they'll be quite a different super Bowl prep this time
around than the last time.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love seeing you again, my man. We'll see you
next Friday.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Tom, Thanks Colin, go to see you man.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
All right? Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, what a breather like.
I know it's his first Super Bowl as a broadcaster,
but good lord, going into games and how fascinating was
his first answer? How fascinating was that that in there
that super Bowl against this on Friday night? They put
in three plays and what did he say? Two got touchdowns?
I mean literally two weeks of prep on Friday before
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the game, He's like, I don't I don't feel great
in the red zone. I don't as did they mean
the put they put in three plays and two got touchdowns.
I mean that is that. And by the way, that's
what Kansas City feels like, not Buffalo. Buffalo's like, yeah,
we do the quarterback sneak the way we do it.
Kansas City feels like they're staying up the night before
and they're like, here's what we're gonna do on fourth
down to seal the win. And that's the difference in
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these big games.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I have faith that Nick Sirianni can be doing something
similar the two days before the game, right, don't you.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I'm not going to get into uh bad Hamana attacks,
but I think this is why I like Kansas City.
I think it's gonna be a situational football game, and
I'm not I tried last weekend to outthink the room,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You were right there. I mean, Bill's had the lead
in the in the second half and we're driving to
go up by eight or nine before the unlucky four downs.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Thirteen minutes to go in that game. Yeah, bitterness doesn't
solve anything.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Who's bitter. Who's bitter?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No, it's it's what fairness?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Inequality?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Fairness? Yeah, because the league is it's so tilted toward
the Midwest. You know, that's what the that's what the
owner said. You know what, we've had enough big city stuff.
Let's make New York terrible and send Harbaugh to LA.
That's a good story, and have a Midwest, small market
team dominate the sport.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Let's have the mid make the Midwest great again.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You like that? What do you?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Robert Kennedys America, Grady, Wow, the world's changing right in
front of my eyes. Peter Schreger stops by. You've got
your tomorrow's headlines today. It's you know, it's it's uh,
it never gets old to me. Uh watching Brady. He
became my favorite football player of all time. And I
never take it for granted that Tom Brady stops by
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for fifteen minutes and I love it every time. Little
nerves every time. Gotta make sure.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
He's a good storyteller, that guy. It's prety good thing
to them. He's just riveting stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, great stuff. Okay, two down, one to go. It's
a Thursday. That means tomorrow is a Friday. That's how
it works.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go. It's hour two, Greg co
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hour live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd. Wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. Thank you
for making us part of your day. So Jay Mack
and I were talking about this last hour before we
went to break. We were talking about, you know, the
dynasty we have here and the Eagles don't have a dynasty.
They just get to this game a lot in the
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last eight years, so they've been in the last thirty years.
I looked it up this morning. There have been seven
pro dynasties, Mahomes, Reed, Brady, Belichick, Warriors, Kobe Shack, MJ. Pippen,
Phil Jack Jackson, Duncan Parker, Parker Pop and then the
Jeter Yankees and so you have big cities New York, LA, Chicago.
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You have smaller cities Casey, San Antonio. You've got two NFL,
one Baseball four NBA. All of them have one superstar minimum.
All of them have a great manager or coach. The
strangest of the dynasties is Kobe Shack where they didn't
actually get along. Phil Jackson kind of held it together.
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It ended very abruptly, It didn't last very long, and
it wasn't built on culture. The other six of the
seven were kind of culture bond, same direction, didn't always
have everything lined up as in terms of personnel. The
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Lakers really were just two superstars and a coach who
didn't necessarily get along with the guy in the front office,
Jerry West. It was all sorts of egos that ended abruptly.
Phil Jackson held it all together, was super glue and
his zen master abilities. But other than that, the six
of the seven all kind of feel the same. They
last a while, we get tired of them. There's a
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certain fatigue after a while. They're not all fascinating. The
Spurs were kind of boring, but most of them are
kind of equipped with a great player, a great manager
of men, a strong defiant culture. The Lakers are the
outlier there.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Oh wait, you said we got a lot of people
got sick of these teams. I don't remember. Oh the
Yankees they're back again. Like that team was beloved nationally. No,
Derek Jeter was like a wholesome leader of the of
the franchise.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
George Steinbrenner was loved nationally.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
And Georgeteinbrenner was not on the field.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
They were lying. People get all upset in New York
about what the Dodgers are doing financially. That's what the
Yankees did. They were they were called the evil Empire.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I think that's more a Steinbrenner thing. I don't think
they were like hated like people.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I think people liked Jeter.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
So did people love the San Antonio Spurs. No, they're
bored out of their minds Lakers. I don't think they
were hated because Kobe and Shack were utterly dominant in
their prime.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, they were kind of cocky.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, So are any of these dynasties likable do you think?
Or are all of them?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I like dynasties.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I like them, I think if they feel special. But
most of these are resented by people, and now the
Kansas City Chiefs are Greg Cosel. Forty five years NFL films.
Here we go. So you know, next week we're going
to talk about some Kansas City stuff and some Philadelphia stuff.
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So I'll get to that here in a couple of minutes.
But I do want to start with this. I don't
think it's crazy to say from what my eyes told
me that Jade and Daniel, the NFC over the last
eleven years has had ten different teams in the Super
Bowl and ten different quarterbacks. The AFC. It's becoming pretty
you know, it's it's Brady, it's Mahomes. And I said,
the NFC needs a Mahomes. The NFC needs their Holmes.
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And watching this kid, Greg, I know it feels hyperbolic here.
I know he struggled against Philadelphia. What did the film say?
But boy, he feels special. He feels different for his age.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know, Colin. First of all, I love jayde Daniels.
I loved him coming out. But I think we always
have to be careful. Think back one year ago when
everybody just assumed that CJ. Stroud this year would be
a top five quarterback in the league. Based on his
rookie season, and sometimes it doesn't work that way. Now,
obviously Stroud and Daniels are totally different players, and I
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love Jaydeon Daniels. I mean, I love the way he plays.
I love the way he plays from the pocket. I
just love his feel for the game because he's not
a runner per se, even though he can run and
run very very well. I think he throws the ball really,
really well. There's clearly a savvy to his game. I
wouldn't expect him to regress in any meaningful way, but
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I think that teams, certainly in the NFC East and
certainly when the schedule comes out, will really study him
in great detail and look to see better ways in
their mind to defend him. And then we'll see as
time progresses, because that's what coaches do. But there's no
question that he has a feel to him in the
way in which he plays the game. Just a savvy,
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unnatural savvy about him that you know not many have
at that young and age.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So I want to one overriding question on Philadelphia, and
I've said this and I don't feel I don't feel
this about any other team. There are moments watching the
Eagles offense that I think to myself, why do they
ever punk O line weapons, sap Goddard they get, But
there are also times this year, Greg they get out
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of rhythm and I tend to look at Siriani and go,
how can this happen? Is a lot of their success
simply based on Jalen Hurts ball security.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Well, I think that's a huge factor and cannot be overstated.
The fact that Jalen Hurts never turns the ball over
is so critical in the context Colin, of their entire
team because keep in mind, putting aside the long drive
that the Commanders had to start the game, is teams
don't go a long distance with a lot of plays
against the Eagles defense. That's the way vic Fango has
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always played defense. It's very difficult to sustain long drives.
So now, if you're an Eagles offense, if indeed you
do have to punt or even if you give the
ball up on downs, and by the way, they are
a four down offense, which is also a big deal
and a very important part of who they are offensively.
But if they do have to punt, then what happens
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is is the opposing offense has seventy five eighty eighty
five ninety yards to go for a touchdown, and that's
a big deal. That's really hard to do so very often.
I know some fans in Philadelphia get upset when they
see Jalen Hurts run out of the pocket to his
right and throw the ball away. Yeah, he misses some throws.
Maybe there are times he holds the ball too long,
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but the bottom line is he does not turn the
ball over, and in the context of their entire team,
that is a really, really big deal.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
All right, let's talk Buffalo Kansas City. Let's just get
to the film. I thought Josh Allen looked very nervous
on his first drive. I didn't think he was in
great rhythm throughout, but that's you know, you're playing a
great defense. I don't know if SPAGS allows you to
get into a great rhythm. What did the film say
on Josh Allen's afternoon.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Well, it's funny you mentioned that he looked like Brett
Fahr on the first series. But you know, remember how
Brett Farv used to come out in the first series
would be all those rocket balls and then he'd settle in.
I thought that Josh Allen did settle into the game.
You know, games like that. First of all, it is
a very difficult defense to play against, there's no question.
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And the thing about speck Noel is he's very situational
in what he does. People probably think he blitz is
at a really really high percentage because they're so successful
with their blitzes, But he doesn't necessarily blitz at a
really high percentage. He's just so good as to when
he blitzes and how he goes about doing it, and
he obviously does it in really critical, high leverage game situations.
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They came out the Bills in the third quarter and
they ran the ball. They had a really nice drive
running the ball predominantly by the way out of eleven
personnel versus the Chiefs nickel defense where they had Shamari
Connor as their nickel corner. Only one of the runs
came out of six to zero line. But you know,
the Bills did score twenty nine points and they never
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really had a short field, so I thought their offense. Ultimately,
if you score twenty nine points in the AFC Championship
game on the road, you probably feel pretty good about
your chances for winning these games. As you know, come
down very often to individual plays. It was that way
for the Chiefs. I mean the Chiefs made the Chiefs
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have settled into offensively. Colin's very interesting given this season.
Who knows what's going to happen in the super Bowl,
but the Chiefs has settled this season into being a
third down offense and a red zone offense. They don't
get big plays in the past game. I mean I
was amazed in doing research over the last number of weeks.
Do you know Xavier Worthy only had I'm talking regular
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season now, he only had four catches of twenty or
more yards in the entire regular season. Think about that
for a minute. They don't get big plays in the
passing game. That's not who they are. They convert on
third down. They're phenomenal with their schematics and their tactics
on third down, and you've got the Mahomes factor with
his legs, and then they get in the red zone
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and they're really, really good.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, any Reid told me yesterday, he said, there's no
question that Patrick is a better quarterback today than three
to four years ago. How do you see that on film?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I think that he's a incredibly aware player, you know, Obviously,
the talent level is high, and when he had Tyreek Hill,
there were a lot more big plays down the field
and it looked great. But I think just the way
he controls the game. See keep in mind that even
though they were not a big playofffense in terms of
explosive twenty plus yard plays, he had the second most
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dropbacks in the entire league this year, So they are
a pass first team, so the ball is in his hands.
He controls the game at a really high level mentally,
and I think that that can often be overlooked because
we're so used to the physical plays that he makes.
But I think mentally he really controls the game. And
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we've talked about this through the years. His feel for
spatial awareness is just ridiculous, the way he just understands
intuitively and innately where people are on the field. And
he's another quarterback. I mean, I know they had the
one fumble against the Bills in the championship game, but
he hasn't thrown an interception in what eight or nine
or ten weeks. Another you know, he doesn't turn it
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over either. He just has a tremendous feel for the
game and what's required in given situations.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
So let's go to your big play. I want to
watch the breakdown here.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, well, this play ultimately was a great example of
their red zone what they do in the red zone.
It was not third down, but it was a red
zone play and it was the touchdown to Worthy. So
if we could take a look at it, we'll see
because these are the kinds of things that I love
when I watch tape, just the way teams are so
schematic in what they do, and I think that's what
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I love about football, the schematics of it. So here
they're at the ten yard line and Mahomes is in
the gun and they go into an empty set, meaning
that there's nobody in the backfield with Mahomes. Now, on
this particular play, what the Bills chose to do was
they chose to play a single high safety in the
middle and they played man coverage. So this is Cover one.
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So it's a single high safety and man to man
across the board. So now what we want to focus
on here is to the trip side on Smith, Schuster
and Worthy, and they're basically in a stack formation tight
to the offensive formation, and as we said, it's man
to man and they actually have Hammelin a safety who's
matched Unworthy because they're a nickel defense, so they have
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Hamlin unworthy. So what they end up doing here is
they run a natural pick concept. This is not illegal.
Smith Schuster releases vertically and he basically is going to
pick Hamlin and now Worthy's going to break outside. So
Hamlin has traffic to work through. He has to decide
do I go over the top of this, do I
try to get underneath it? What do I do? There's
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a pick right in front of me and you can
see that, and what ends up happening is he waits,
and so what happens he waits and then he's late.
And now there's another element to this, as you can see,
because he's trying to get Oh he ends up going
underneath it, but he's late. And then you have Hopkins
who's clearing out here. He's not really part of the play,
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he's just clearing out and that creates a lot of space.
So it creates space for Worthy. They run the natural
pick and it becomes a pitch and catch touchdown. This
is just beautiful, beautiful design in the red zone where
they're so so good and you know by the way
they scored in the red zone. I think four out
of five times. I think they ended the game in
the red zone, but that didn't count the first touchdown
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of the game, Colin, which was Kareem Hunt, and the
last touchdown of the game, which was Patrick Mahomes, which
was his run or the exact same play, the exact
same play. They just gave it to Hunt on the
first one, and on the second one Mahomes kept it.
So they're really good on third down and in the
red zone, and with Mahomes feel for the game, they
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are a really good offense in kind of a non
traditional way because they don't really get explosive plays in
the past.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Game as we're showing it here, a nice guy job
by the guys in our control room showing those as
you talk about it is the exact the exact same the.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Exact same same information, same action in the backfield, same pulling,
tackling guard and Hunt carries on one, Mahomes keeps the other.
So they're just you know, they're really good situational football
in breaking down defense on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
By the way, great stuff, Greg Cosel NFL Films. We'll
see you and talk to you next week, Greg, Thank you.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Thanks, Colin, appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
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Speaker 2 (14:48):
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Speaker 3 (14:53):
Some interesting stuff happening with the Rams. Colin. Remember we
just talked yesterday about let's need it. We don't have
Cooper cuts coming back. You don't know about Matt Stafford. Well,
interestingly enough, Matt Stafford, he really wants to play again.
According to Ian Rappaport, Stafford has made a decision and
he plans to play in twenty twenty five. Rap sheet
adds that the Rams have no immediate plan to replace Stafford.
(15:16):
What is going on behind the scenes here, Yeah, almost
sounds like not everybody's on the same page.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Well, my sources tell me they love Stafford and Stafford
loves them. If it was a really strong quarterback class
and they had maybe a second round pick, which they don't,
they may draft the future quarterback. But it's not a
strong quarterback class and they don't have a second round pick,
and they're not going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
With a first pick.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So my take is from what I'm kind of being
led to believe, they love Stafford, they would love to
have him for a couple more years. Next year they'll
draft a quarterback, not this year. I mean again Jackson
Dart who's going to fill Vailabil again. So they kind
of know there's nobody in this draft that they think
is in the same stratosphere of Stafford. So what they're
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gonna do is try to add depth draft picks. The
Rams would love to have a lot of picks and
go draft depth this year because they know they're going
to have to give up so many picks to get
in to the top twelve next year for the best quarterback.
And so it's sort of like, let's go all in,
let's give Stafford, let's let's let's get more picks, load
(16:25):
the roster up. Next year, we may have to trade
most of our picks to get the quarterback. But they're
all in on Stafford. They want him back, of course
they love you know, Listen, these good, well run teams
renegotiate contracts to free up cap space. I think there's
three or four needs in the draft. I think they
Cooper Cup is one. I think they'd move off with.
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I think they would have moved off him this year.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Is like Stafford's best friend on the team, I know,
or one of the best. Stafford has a forty nine
and a half million dollars cap hit next season and
they can save twenty seven million by trading him post
June first for who. Well, that's where it gets interesting.
We know the McVeigh tree has historically loved Kirk Cousins.
I'm not sure how that happened. Stafford, of course went
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to University of Georgia Pennix is there. Could the Raiders
get involved to get a quarterback here Kirk Cousins or
Stafford in some way shape or for him, I don't know.
Feels a little like musical chairs at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I think that's actually a great call. If you're the
Raiders and you're looking up at Mahomes, Herbert Peyton and
bow Nicks and nothing in this draft that's close to that,
and Kirk Cousins is so I mean, if Pete Carroll
now is at seventy two to seventy three, he wants
to win. Stafford got two great years left, and the
Raiders also have both their tackles, a dominant weapon, and
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their center for the future. It's not a bad old line.
It's not like Stafford would go and be running for
his life. The Raiders is a fascinating call.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
And the Rams would then go after Kirk Cousins, who
isn't ninety percent of Stafford, you know, coming off the injury,
but play action McVeigh offense. Maybe you can make the
playoffs with with Kirk Cousins of quart.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Remember if you make a deal for the Raiders and
could get a second round pick, then you go get
one of those quarterbacks I like in the second round.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You know, we have a Raiders executive coming up shortly.
Maybe you could ask him about my my hot take
there just kidding. Next story is the Bengals. I'm just
telling you the Bengals are ripe for implosion. Sorry to
a producer on the show who loves them, obviously, Jamar
Chase is getting an extension, and then what happens with
t Higgins. Since he's director of player personnel, says extending
Chase is a priority and he's very important. Regarding Higgins,
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although they want him back, they want him back at
the right number for his experience. That is not what
I want to hear. If I'm Bengals fans, Higgins is
gonna he can name his price on the open market.
He can't. Anybody would be glad to have a superstar receiver.
And don't forget how about this, Trey Hendrickson asked for
a trade last season, by far their best defensive player,
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led the league in sacks. Asked if they want him,
Duke Tobin said, we can't have guys at the top
of the payroll in every position, right.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, actually, Philadelphia does, so figure it out. I mean, seriously,
Philadelphia does the Niners did three years ago. Figure it out.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Imagine getting to the Super Bowl, getting super close to
winning it, and then just three years later, appearing kind
of sort of clueless as to how to help to
build a roster and stack tips in Cincinnati. Colin, this
is bad.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I don't think this is good at all. A final
story is apparently they told me you want to talk
about this, and that would be Riley Leonard.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Riley Leonard very good.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yesterday he lost in the Natty, vomited after one drive.
Oh but look really sharp throwing against air down there.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Accord.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Speaking to reporters, Riley Leonard, your guy, Oh that's a dime.
Riley Leonard says, my best is yet to come. I
have more confidence now than I've ever had in my career.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Honestly, it's like one of those highlight YouTube video a
man against kids.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It almost looks like Joe Burrow dropping back in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Just drop you go ahead and laugh. I'm not I'm
not my track record in finding the old Jammeruski in
the draft. Okay, he's such a good kid, I see, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I like Rither Leonard. Obviously you know he's a nice player.
I just I'm not as bullish on him as youth.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think, uh, I think he has development. He needs
the right coach. But look at this thing. How do
you throw a frozen rope in the heat. There's an example.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
I don't even know what you just said. Frozen rope
in the heat?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Oh dear, all right, j Mack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (22:04):
And Jean Batiste on the same show. I never thought
I'd seen that in my life. I'll be honest with you.
Let's go to Tom Brady twenty three seasons, seven times.
So you're one of the only I mean literally, you're
one of the only people on the planet who knows
what it's like to be the face of a franchise
going to another Super Bowl. The pressure's on to me,
(22:24):
The pressure's on Kansas City. It's always on the favorite.
How did you zone out for two weeks? Now you
have your install day pretty quick? Did you hide?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Did you.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I mean, everybody's talking, you can't go outside.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
Did you like that?
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Or are you like, could we just play this Sunday?
Did you like the extra time?
Speaker 8 (22:45):
I like the extra time a lot because it gave
me extra time to do all the prep that I
needed to do. And I loved kind of the studying.
I love the minutia of the game plan. One of
my best kind of memories from the Super Bowl twenty fourteen.
We're playing the Legion of Boom and it's Friday night
before the Super Bowl. We've, of course, had like eleven
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or twelve days to prepare, and I come back from
dinner and it's probably like nine o'clock and I wasn't
feeling great about the red area package we had, and
I went in and Josh McDaniels is in the staff room,
and I said, hey, we got to go through the
red area. I said, it's just too hard down there.
They'd play too much zone. And if I looked at
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the left earle moves to the left, I looked at
the right earl moose to the right. I was like,
we need a few easy plays where I could just
stick the ball in there on a play action pass,
get everyone in the linebackers to step up and let
me just rip something to the back of the end zone.
So we install three plays on Friday night, after two
weeks of preparation, all the practice is done, and one
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of the touchdowns is to Jojo Lafel the first one
of the game, and the second one is to Danny A.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Mondola later in that game.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
And we hadn't practiced them at all for eleven days,
and it was just I like to use every minute
of prep going up into those games because they're the
hardest ones to win, and it's so great to get here,
and both the Eagles and the Chiefs have had incredible
seasons to get to this point. But it all goes
for nothing if you don't win this game. And that's
what makes the drama so spectacular.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
The two or three. I mean, I've got so many
memories of you and Super Bowls, but I do remember this.
You guys were like a big heavyweight champ. You would
feel out the first round, the first quarters. And maybe
this was Belichick or you, but in the first quarters
you weren't terribly dynamic. You really did let the game
come to you. I was wondered, was that by design?
(24:40):
Was this you saying, let's not unveil much here or
was it just nerves or was it like that was
Belichick's ideology, but you didn't historically you didn't have robust
first quarters.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Yeah, they it was non intentional. Let me say that
we weren't trying to go out there and suck in
the first quarter, but most of the time we did.
There's there's there's definitely a little nerves. There's you know,
I think both teams are feeling each other out, and
we never really got behind too much. Atlanta one that
was kind of got away with a got away from
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us there in the first half. But I think for
the most part we were just we didn't execute the
plan exactly what we wanted.
Speaker 7 (25:21):
And you're going up against a team that's.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Got a lot of good players, and they got a
lot of juice and energies are a lot in the stadium.
It does take a little bit of time to settle
into that game. It's it's an interesting game to play,
and it's it's unique because you know, most all games
you start at one o'clock on a Sunday, and regular
season it's done at four. This is a six o'clock start.
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Eastern time. It finishes at ten pm. It's a four
hour game, you know, thirty three percent longer than normal.
I often thought of the Super Bowl as two games.
There's a first half game and a second half game.
And it was really important for us as players not
to go out there pregame warm up and lose all
your energy because it was so built up from these
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couple of weeks of prep that you had, and you
waste all your energy in pregame warm up knowing that
you still had, you know, a four hour game ahead
of you. And I think that's why a lot of
the defenses really die in the second half.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
It's just such a long day.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Sure, there's so much emotional energy that gets kind of
put out, and then it's really who can survive the
fourth quarter of the game.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, the you know, you've watched so much of these
teams you had. This will be your fifth Eagles game.
And their offensive line to me, and I think Jalen's great,
but the offensive line's insane. You had good offensive lines.
I don't know if you had four Hall of Fame
offensive linemen. Have they gotten better? Do you feel like
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every time you watch the Eagles it was a different
version or do you kind of know what you're gonna
get when you call their games.
Speaker 8 (26:57):
I think they've been you know, I don't see Gerrani
has done a great job with the adversity this year
and dealing with the adversity, and you know, I see.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Him hot, temperate at times.
Speaker 8 (27:07):
I really like that attitude that he's got. There's a
lot of consistency. You see that week to week, and
I think there has been a lot of consistency over
the course of the season from this team. When I
think they're really unstoppable is when Jalen Hurts is playing
in rhythm in the past game. Because I look at
that defense, the secondary has been consistent.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
They're been great all year.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Fangio scheme, Zach Bond has been as consistent anybody that
d line, Jalen Carter, Sweat, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams. Those
guys are consistent. So the entire defense is consistent. The
running game's been there all year. That's consistent. AJ Brown
getting open, man coverage and Davontic Bean that's consistent.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
Goddard getting open. That's consistent. The line block and well,
that's consistent.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
When they can string a consistent, rhythmic passing game. Together,
I think they're pretty unstoppable.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, you know, there was a moment last night, and
and I've talked about this. I think Drew Brees and
you were really good at this, and I think Mahomes
is and this is not a knock on anybody, but
it's so much of what you did as a quarterback
was to avoid mayhem. It wasn't always over the top place.
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It was you just got him out of trouble. I
always say this about the great presidents. It's not always
their policy, it's it's being ahead of a potential problem.
That's what a good CEO does. And on that blitz,
always when Spags brings the corner blitz, listen, it's I mean,
nobody saw it coming, would you. I don't want to
compare you anything, but is that hard to identify or
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is that a quarterback's responsibility? Because corner blitz is tom
They may happen once every two weeks, it's rare. So
I saw that plan. I thought Josh has kind of
got to see that. Or am I being a sports
guy who doesn't just doesn't get it?
Speaker 8 (28:56):
Okay, So it's a great question. And this spoke speaks
to a lot of things you and I.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Have talked about over this last year.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
And unless a quarterback has total operational control of what
he's doing, it's going to be very hard against the
Spagnula defense because Spags is going to put so much
pressure on the protections and on the offensive line and
on the quarterback to sort things out after the snap
because some things look a bit unconventional. They're all on
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the right and they come to the left, they're all
on the left and they come from the right, and
everyone's spinning the defense at the snap of the ball,
and it gets very difficult for the quarterback if you're
not anticipating where the problems might be. And you may
get lucky every once in a while to make a
play work.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
But I just remember the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I played against Spags when I was at the Bucks
late in the career, and I felt like I had
studied so much film for two weeks. There was really
no blitz he could use that I wasn't going to
be prepared for, and when something looked a little funky
based on my film study, I had an answer for it.
And I had tried to have answers to his pressures.
But that took a veteran quarterback who had a great
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understanding of the protections, who could apply a lot of
different tools to get it protected. And then I was
able to go out there and play with a lot
of confidence. But again, this is you know, blitzing in
the NFL now has been very effective. I don't think
many quarterbacks have understandings of protections.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I don't think we're.
Speaker 8 (30:23):
Allowing them to develop and that now they're kind of
learning on the fly, and it's a rough place to
learn out there on the playing field against a team
that has as many talented players as the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, you know, it's funny. I think the story of
this game is Reid and Mahomes and Spags against the
Green Wall of talent, and Philadelphia is a little like
that Seahawk team you faced. I remember that because I'm
from the Pacific Northwest and everybody thought I was a
Patriot Homer and a Brady Homer my entire time. I've
always been like Brady Homer guy, which is not a
(30:57):
bad guy to be a Homer for. And I said,
I gotta be honest, I don't know if they can
beat Seattle, like I don't think when you go and
Mahomes was going to face a Philadelphia team, Tom they
may have nine Hall of Famers. I mean Jalen Carter
looks like and that Seahawks team was insane. Go back
to that game. Do you did you ever privately say
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to yourself, I don't know if we have the dudes
for that, I mean they are did you ever you
wouldn't say it publicly? But what was your mindset? Like
Mahomes this week when he watch his film and goes,
they don't have a whole they don't have a weakness.
How did you think about Seattle?
Speaker 8 (31:33):
Yeah, well that's a good that's a great example. That
defense was stacked from the pass rush, to the backers,
to the secondary, to the scheme, and not only that. Offensively,
they had you know, Marshawn a young Russell playing great
dynamic guys in the past game and they were they
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It took all of us to win. And I think
when you when I look at this game, if you're
going to beat the Chiefs, it has to be the
ultimate complimentary game because you could score to take the
lead with forty five seconds left in the game and
give the ball back to Patrick in that offense, and
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the whole world believes that Patrick, including himself and including
the defense he's going against, that he's going to drive
right down the field and score and take the lead again.
So it's like how Buffalo beat him in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Buffalo was aggressive even there were.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
Up two points to take the ball and go for
it on that whatever fourth and two, and Josh made
a great play and scrambled in for the touchdown. But
it was almost like you got to get up two
scores in the end of the game to feel like
there's any relief because Patrick has has an amazing ability
to perform his best in the biggest moments, and there's
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a lot of fear that's in the other opponents late
in the game, and that's a good feeling to have
if you're the opposing coordination.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And you Tiger, I always said this, mahomes you Tiger.
When you could hear the gallery cheering and Tiger was
in a different foursome and you knew he just hit
a great shot. It got completely in your head as
you knew he just hit a birdie. And I think
there's part of that is that you do get so
I mean, you faced Mahomes in a Super Bowl. If
(33:20):
I recall it was a pretty good game for you.
Did you go into that game thinking, guys, we got
to score blank? I mean, you got in everybody's else.
You spent a career getting in everybody else's head. Were
you aware of Mahomes? And was their discussion that week
on fellas we can't even give him thirteen secondsier that
kind of thing.
Speaker 8 (33:40):
So yeah, And we played them in twenty eighteen in
the AFC Championship game. They were a high flying offense Tyreek,
and we played a great kind of first half of
football in Kansas City and they come storming back like
in the second half and take the lead.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
It was almost like evaporated.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Now that was a very different offense than.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
They have now when we beat them in the Super
Bowl a few years ago.
Speaker 7 (34:07):
Three years ago.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
Now, we played a great complimentary game. We played really
well on offense. Defense played the best game they had
played all season. You know, they were struggling in pass protection.
I thought our defensive lines ability to get after him
and all the blitz schemes that Coach Bowles came up
with were really exceptional. But to me, it took a
great team effort, and that's the only way you're going
(34:29):
to beat a great Chiefs team. Now the Eagles have
the team to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
I mean, that's why.
Speaker 8 (34:32):
I'm so excited about calling this game because it's to me,
the two teams that have been consistently great all season
long that are in this game, which is exactly how
it should be. And the outcome of this game is
going to be determined by a few plays, and no
one knows which plays they're gonna those are going to be.
(34:53):
That's why you got to be on it from the
moment that you walk into the stadium. This is a
This is a great matchup for a lot of reasons.
There's a lot of stars, there's champions, there's coaches, there's
tremendous scheme, and then there's tremendous players that have played
well under pressure and it all kind of culminates in
(35:14):
this great performance, you know, played out in front of
the whole world, and all these players that get to
be involved in it, this is a highlight of their
life and it's going to be a highlight of my
life being there to call the game.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm gonna talk about this because when you and Belichick
were in the middle of your dynasty. He hard coaches you,
he calls you out, he's rough. That's part of the culture.
But since you've gone your separate ways, Oh, he's like
a soft serve vanilla ice cream. He's a cream puff.
Now all he does is to he's a teddy bear.
(35:49):
And he said yesterday he's like, you know what, just
just call the Lombardi Trophy the Brady Trophy. I remember
a piece of video when he gave you the game ball.
It was near your end in New England, and we
made fun of it on the air. I said, that
was so hard for Bill said, he was so uncomfortable.
But I kind of got it, Tom, I understood it.
It was the culture, it's the reality. It's like sometimes
(36:11):
you have to be a tough parent when you're a dad, right,
And it Panda is when you look at Belichick and
you now, is there a warmth now that maybe wasn't
possible when you're in the middle of a dynasty.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
Well, there's an intensity to our jobs naturally that I mean, Look,
we always had a great relationship.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
We still do.
Speaker 8 (36:35):
And I know there was a lot of things later
in my career that people would say or to try
to create division. I think there was always a great
respect for each other, and I was never I always
saw him as someone that I was trying to please
out there as my coach, and I wanted to be
the best I could be for the team, and he
(36:56):
was always trying to deliver for our team in the
role that he was in. And were there are times
where we didn't see everything eye to eye, Yeah, But
I mean that's twenty years of a relationship. And I
said this in one of the documentary, is like, I'm
not characterizing our relationship based on, you know, a few
moments that weren't perfect for either of us. I mean
(37:17):
we had as great as a relationship as you could
have over a long period of time, with a tremendous
amount of success. And there's no coach I would have
rather played for than him. He taught me so much.
And you're right, I think the role of that coach
is very much like a parent. You know, if you're
not performing well and your grades are below standard, you
(37:38):
got to tell your kids that, And if they're putting
forth effort, you got to tell them that too. And
you've got to teach them and you got to develop
them and you've got to be there. And there's a
sophistication to being a parent, and a good parent at that,
expecting that a lot of these young kids today they
don't know what the right ways to do things are.
And you know what, sometimes to have a little bit
(37:59):
of fear and people is a good thing. People should
have to wake up and go, God, I got to
do a good job today or else. And I think
that's very motivating. I think we're in a culture now
where everyone's hopefully it can be a little more balanced
that to be rewarded for bad behavior, to be rewarded
for being selfish, to be rewarded for thinking about yourself
(38:22):
as an individual in the team sport like I love
playing against those guys. I never wanted to play with
those guys. You work too hard for too long to
think about yourself in situations in team sports. And I
think the culture that I was a part of in
(38:43):
New England embrace the team first attitude and what are
the rewards of that? Well, championships were one, but more
importantly than that, I have relationships with my teammates that
go way far above and beyond what they ever were
on the football field. I look at the best experiences
(39:05):
I've had in my life, and they're with these men
and women's and probably way more men in a football
locker room. But the coaches that contributed to my life
taught me in a very significant way that allowed me
to be the best I could be. And that's what
team sports are about, That's what shared experience is about,
that's what relationships are about. That's what ultimately the meaning
(39:28):
of life is about. And we formed that bond that
are under an intense and the intensity about what we
were trying to do, and we got to do something
we love to.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
Do, which was play football.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
So I have look back on those moments as the
best moments in my life outside of being a parent,
as the things that have shaped me into who I
am today. And if I do anything in football, and
I'm going to be involved in football for a long time,
it's going to be to give back in the same way,
and there's no I am who I am at this point,
I'm going to do things similar way.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
I always want to.
Speaker 8 (40:01):
Contribute to other people's goals and to help them achieve
what they want to accomplish.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Yeah, So Tom's going to be with me next Friday
in New Orleans, a city that it's hard to go
to bed. Oh, it's hard to go to bed early
in New Orleans. I'll somehow make it. You don't have
the responsibility, Tom, you can have you know, you can
go out and have a couple extra oysters in New Orleans. Now, good,
first time you can ever hate?
Speaker 8 (40:23):
No, No, Aaron yeah, no, Aaron Donald trying to hunt
me down. This preparations way easier, No lesion of boom
I was getting for. I could be looking at where
the best beignets in New Orleans are, or what a
hurricane is be down on Bourbon Street with you. But
they'll be quite a different super Bowl prep this time
around than the last time.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love seeing you again, my man. We'll see you
next Friday.
Speaker 8 (40:42):
Tom, Thanks Colin, go to see you man.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
All right? Tom Brady, Yeah, I mean, what a breather like.
I know it's his first Super Bowl as a broadcaster,
but good lord, going into games and how fascinating was
his first answer? How fascinating was that that in there
that super Bowl against this on Friday night? They put
in three plays and what did he say? Two got touchdowns?
I mean literally two weeks of prep on Friday before
(41:07):
the game, He's like, I don't I don't feel great
in the red zone. I don't as did they mean
the put they put in three plays and two got touchdowns.
I mean that is that. And by the way, that's
what Kansas City feels like, not Buffalo. Buffalo's like, yeah,
we do the quarterback sneak the way we do it.
Kansas City feels like they're staying up the night before
and they're like, here's what we're gonna do on fourth
down to seal the win. And that's the difference in
(41:29):
these big games.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
I have faith that Nick Sirianni can be doing something
similar the two days before the game, right, don't you.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
I'm not going to get into uh bad Hamana attacks,
but I think this is why I like Kansas City.
I think it's gonna be a situational football game, and
I'm not I tried last weekend to outthink the room,
and you know.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
You were right there. I mean, Bill's had the lead
in the in the second half and we're driving to
go up by eight or nine before the unlucky four downs.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Thirteen minutes to go in that game. Yeah, bitterness doesn't
solve anything.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Who's bitter. Who's bitter?
Speaker 1 (42:06):
No, it's it's what fairness?
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Inequality?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Fairness? Yeah, because the league is it's so tilted toward
the Midwest. You know, that's what the that's what the
owner said. You know what, we've had enough big city stuff.
Let's make New York terrible and send Harbaugh to LA.
That's a good story, and have a Midwest, small market
team dominate the sport.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Let's have the mid make the Midwest great again.
Speaker 7 (42:28):
You like that? What do you?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Robert Kennedys America, Grady, Wow, the world's changing right in
front of my eyes. Peter Schreger stops by. You've got
your tomorrow's headlines today. It's you know, it's it's uh,
it never gets old to me. Uh watching Brady. He
became my favorite football player of all time. And I
never take it for granted that Tom Brady stops by
(42:52):
for fifteen minutes and I love it every time. Little
nerves every time. Gotta make sure.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
He's a good storyteller, that guy. It's prety good thing
to them. He's just riveting stuff.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, great stuff. Okay, two down, one to go. It's
a Thursday. That means tomorrow is a Friday. That's how
it works.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
It's the third
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