May 23, 2024 • 42 mins
Jason shares his top 5 players in the NBA right now he would build his franchise around
What will the Cowboys do about Dak Prescott's contract?
Will all the distractions hurt the Chiefs this season?
Guest: Kerry Rhodes
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Welcome Back, Ladies and Gentlemen. Hour number two in The Herd.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's somewhere on the
East Coast. I'm not allowed to say. I have not
texted him yet to see if he's okay. That's not
what I do.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Anyways, I joined as always by Alex Curry Alex one
Hour of the Books. You know, Alex has a big
birthday weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I do. I t also my sister's birthdays. Whoa, yeah,
we're close, Hapy birthday, Samantha.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Shout out nice, I know. And we're getting We're gonna
have like a lot of people in here today. We're
gonna get a little audience.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Let's just say.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was not prepared for that. I will be why
talking to the executives about it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Later. Who means that added pressure?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Oh see, you never did.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So I started in live events. I was sidelined for
ten years. So you'd be doing hits in front of
like tens of thousands of people. I mean that's normal.
I'm like, yeah, it gives you motivation. Let's go, it's
gonna be fun, live.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Audience live, You're gonna do, right, geez.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Use it as motivation.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Press pressure, remember right, pressure? I love I make love
to pressure. Coming up here, great guest. Uh he's a
former Jets player. I told we do when I'm filling in.
It's Jets, baby. But first we we You know, the
lists on the internet are a big deal, okay.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I you know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I had started a little website. It did okay, sold,
it didn't make retirement money. But lists we're a big
driving force behind my website. We also did a lot
of sports media talk and Colin Coward blew it up
one day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But lists are really the lifeblood of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Everybody loves to click on a list and see where
players rank.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So Bill Simmons, a sports media person, has a website
called The Ringer, and they put out a list of
the top twenty five NBA players under the age of
twenty five. Okay, number one, Victor one Minyama. I can't
totally hate that. He is the future of the league.
Everybody gets that. But look what they did at two
and three Anthony Edwards and Shay Gilders. Alexander really over
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Luka Doncic, Who's accomplished more than those two guys combined.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's insanity. Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You want to really pump up the American players because
we're in the era of the Europeans. Who cares, guys,
Come on, that's so disrespectful to Luka Doncic. Now, interestingly,
not even on that list is Jahn Morant Zion Williamson's buried.
Those two guys were supposed to be the future they
supposedly had next. Now, what I did before this list
was mostly it was pushed back against Colin who has
(02:56):
a distaste for my guy, Jason Tatum. Now, you guys know,
I was born in New York. I grew up disliking
all things Boston. Hated, hated Capitol, h hated the Red Sox. Okay,
I didn't even see that dumb Boston Red Sox movie
with Drew Barrymore fever pitch.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you guys heard of that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I refused to even watch it just because it was
about the Red Sox. Sorry, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon
did not like the Patriots, but I respected Brady obviously.
How can you not really did not like the Boston
Celtics in any capacity for a weird I don't know
why I feel in affinity for Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Not like my men's league game. We got a game
tonight is.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Anything like Tatum's. But I'd love me some Jason Tatum.
I've had a lot of Laker fans think he's a
huge Kobe fan. He's gonna eventually come to the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So what I did was, I said, here are the
five players in the NBA I would build around right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There's only five and the list is tight.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, here we go, knowing that Steph Curry you're not
building around at this age, Lebron kd they're out. Okay,
here my five to build on right now. I have
Luka Doncic, who I think is the ultimate. He makes
everyone else better in the same way Lebron has Giannis. Obviously,
he has a chip, He's a unicorn. You build around him.
I have Jason Tatum on this list, folks. Our staff
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came up with some numbers that are just staggering for
what he's accomplished so far in his career. More than
Jordan at this age, more than Lebron at this age.
Jason Tatum has had so much playoff success and he's
been the alpha on that team. You can build around
him and win a title with him. I have web
Ben Yama, obviously he's a unicorn. And I have Jokic,
got three MVPs, he's got a title. Now you'll see
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on this list is not Anthony Edwards, and people at Jay,
you're crazy, Oh my god. Anthony Edwards is the next Jordan.
Maybe maybe his team comes back and wins the Western
Conference Finals and win the title, and I've got to
redo this list. But Anthony Edwards has twenty three games
in his playoff career so far, he's won two series
in his career, and we're building around him.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He looks like a star.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He's got all the tools, he's got the riz, as
the kids like to say, right, he's got the swag,
and a lot of it has to do with how
do you, how are you perceived by fans. And I'm
telling you Anthony Edwards talking trash to Kevin Durant in
the first round, that's a viral moment. Anthony Edwards dropping
curse words in press conferences.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
People love that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Anthony Edwards has it. He's got that quality that people love.
Can you build around him? I don't know. He's got
a great team, right, They've got the role players who
fit perfectly, But I don't have Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is a top five guy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Build around Shay gils Is Alexander. Sorry, I'm not taking
a guard who's awesome in the mid range as my
build around guy.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think he could be a great two. I don't
think he's a one.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And with that, let's get to our guest who's ready
to talk some football. He is a former Jet safety.
Oh yeah, he was on that Brett Favre team. Carrie Rhodes,
Welcome him in Carrie Rhodes, Fox Sports Radio, twelve pm
every Sun.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How are you, man, man, I'm doing well.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I heard him say rigs and swags, so I was
a little nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm trying to sound like, yeah, I'm try hard like the.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
New York Nicks.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I get it. Yeah, Nilon had a great year.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So Carrie, let's start.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Aaron Rodgers went to the podium yesterday and saying a
bunch of wacky stuff, but some of it is truth telling. Hey,
if I don't deliver the whole everything, it's all blown up.
You were on one of those Jets teams where it
was like Brett favor Bus. Help take us back to
those days. I mean they had a great start.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Yeah, it's it's true.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
I mean, as you get older in the league, obviously
your resume is usually speaks for itself. His resume speaks
for itself with a few asterisks along the way of
you know, some stuff that he said and brought on
him onto himself. But I mean as a player in
the league, man, as you get advanced, you have to perform,
and if you don't at the number you're usually being
paid at in that league, if you're not doing it,
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they will bring somebody else in cheaper that can do
the job as well. So it is a make up
break gear for him. He came up an injury and
now he has a chance.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
To show what he still has at this ripe age
of forty forty forty one.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now he's ancient. We'll just stay with that. So you
were on that.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I've talked to Eric Bengei so much about those Yeah
that far Via like listen, he said the story.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He didn't love the idea of bringing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Far Yeah, but I'm just curious how did it play
in the locker room, because I'm just curious, like when
somebody's saying all this extreme stuff on podcasts in the media, like,
does that even matter in the locker room? Do you
look at the guy and be like, I can't believe
he said that, Does that happen or no?
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Yeah, Brett coming in was definitely a disruptor. We loved
the idea. I loved the idea. He was a good
friend of mine during the time we were playing. But
you started seeing fractures. He wasn't a guy that actually
dressed in the same locker room with us, so like
even just the dynamic of how a locker room works,
he didn't fit that mold, and so you start having
(07:54):
things happen when you know, as the season progress. We
had a great year. I think we were nine and
three at one point. Yeah, you know, when you're winning,
that covers a lot of things. As soon as you
get an injury. He had an injury that he had.
He didn't tell the team. He tried to fight through
it to be tough, and you know that's part of
his DNA.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
But it's not helping us win.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
So we lose the final four, and then you start
seeing the things, Well, Okay, he's not in the locker
room with us.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
He dresses in the coaches locker room.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
And as a team, before he got there, we would
wear suits on the away games to go to the
games and get ready to play. He would not do that.
He would wear his wranglers, he would wear jeans, would
be comfortable. So things like that starts to creep in,
and then it's not about the team anymore.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
It's about a guy, and that's where it fractured us.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So then the year after, Mark Sanchez comes in regular
guests on the show.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I know him well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I was a was a fan when he was a player,
and you guys got better, went to the championship game
back to back years.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, you're bringing a guy like Mark who just
came in and really good guy. He was humble from
the beginning, obviously, with the expectations being a number four
fourth pick in that draft and you.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Know, being missed through New York. I mean, he was
out in the bout.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
He had fun, but he just did his job. He
didn't have to do much for us. We were a
team that that was prepared to win and had a
number one defense and a great running game, and he
managed the game well. And also in the playoffs, that's
when he started to make big throws, make make the
major league throws and and kind of separate himself from
that rookie to a guy, serviceable guy that can actually
(09:23):
go out and win some games.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
And so he performed well in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pivoting away from the Jets, but sticking with guys saying
inflammatory stuff. So the Chiefs are going through some stuff
with the Rashi Rice off the field, Harrison Butker, the
kicker Andy Reid is now with dressing stuff again. I
just want to I'm just curious from a locker room perspective,
Chiefs have won back to back Super Bowls, right, There's
gonna be hurdles this year.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But do you think any.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Of this Is this just off season noise and it's
irrelevant or is there something? I mean, they lost sneed
the great cornerback. I just I don't know how that's
going to play in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Locker room wise, they'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
They got enough leaders to wrangle it and get the
focus on the focus and which will be football from
them and trying to make history. I think what's gonna be,
you know, a thorn in their side.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Is it's just history.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
It's hard to do what they what they've done the
last couple of years, and then to do it again,
It's gonna be hard. And so I think more about
the play on the field and the other team's getting
better would be a problem for them more than just
the locker room stuff.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
They have a great core, they have the same guys
in that locker room, so.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
They'll be prepared to try to defend their title, but
it'll be hard.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
The quarterback situation is weird in the league where Dak
is angling for more money. Yeah, Jordan loves angling for
more money.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I mean they deserve it. Yeah, Tua is waiting on
his contract.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oddly, in the NBA, people get upset when Shake Gilds
of Salaxander's in line to make eighty million and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Jalen Brown Jaylen Brown's.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Sixty seven mil whatever the number is Yeah, but these quarterbacks,
like we're all rooting for them to get paid, but
the problem is when they when you pay them, it's
tough to build around. I believe the stat is, no
quarterback who's been the highest paid has ever won a
super Bowl in this new salary cap era. Where are
you on the likes of Tua Dak Jordan Loves, how
(11:09):
would you handle this stuff?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:10):
I mean with Dallas, they have so many holes that
they need to feel to give that team a chance
to really compete and win. So I think they need
to be a little stingy with what they give Dak
along the way. But I think also you look at
those successful New England teams. I know you're talking about,
you know Brady and those guys. He was never the
highest paid guy ever. He was I don't know if
(11:33):
he was making sacrifices. I don't know if that's the
correct word, but he was in a place where I'm
sure he was making money off the field where that
kind of trump to what he needed to make on
the roster on the team, so to speak. So I
think there's ways to still make that money and give
your team a chance to win.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
So I think for Dak, he's already been paid once.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
I think for Dak, if he really wants to win,
he should, you know, kind of massage that money and
make sure he gives some of those guys the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're suggesting Dak maybe takes a hometown discount for sure.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Really, if he wants to win, he's been paid. He's
been paid once. Okay, Now, Jordan Loves is a different story.
He hasn't been said.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's a good point. So but let me let me ask.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So if you say, Dak, could you take a home
down discount, He'll be like, guys, Daniel Jones got forty
million dollars a year, why would I pay it?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'm way better than him.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Sure, and that Sam sucks, right, Yeah, and that's the point.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
So yeah, I mean, if you want to get paid,
and it's about that, then by all means I want
you to get your money as well. Yeah, as a player,
I get that, But if you want to win as
far as Dak, like I said, he's already been paid,
I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
I mean, I've seen it.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
He's got enough endorsements, so I'm sure pick kind of.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Massade some of that money lost financial losses.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, so let's play that out. So Dak says, well, no,
I'm not taking a major hometown to sure minor give me,
give me fifty million year, we'll call it a day.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Golf is making fifty three, he's not much better than me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, And at that point, do you think the Cowboys say,
you know what, we're just not doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
We're moving on from you.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
I don't know if they're moving on from him. I
think they'll figure it out the way. But I'm saying
just from if he's really committed to winning and if
he's committed to doing the right thing for that team,
not the organization, because like I said, players should get
every dollar day, yeah that they're capable of making.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
But again, he's made it.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
He's made a lot of money, and if he wants
to win and put himself in a different category of
a quarterback in this league, he has to make a sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Do you think at that point the quarterback can say, Okay, well, sure,
maybe i'll take a little less. What are you doing
with that money? Are you pocketing it or were you spending?
How is that being allocated? Like, do I get to say,
since it's technically my money now I don't know how
that would work in a negotiation with an NFL player,
But he's been the franchise quarterback for what seven years
or eight?
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Yeah, franchise quarterback situations. I'm sure they're having those conversations
that way. Now we're talking about myself in that situation,
it wouldn't be the same. But he's been the franchise guy.
He's had a great career, and I think what really,
you know, when the conversation about da comes to play,
a lot of people have their own stories in their
own recollection of where he came from and where he
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should be. I mean, the guy was a fourth round pick.
He was a guy that wasn't looked upon to be
the guy. He happens to fall into a situation where
Dallas is ready to win, Romo gets hurt. He steps
in and performs really well under those circumstances, and so
I think we've operated from that level of understanding for him.
He's exceeded all expectations, and so for him to go
(14:24):
out and want the money is fair. But if he
wants to win, there's there's certain ways to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I see you had gone to Louisville. I guess I
forgot that.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
You pronounced it right.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Ye, So Lamar Jackson famously went to Louisville. Yeah, did
you see he was in the news this week because
he's lost ten pounds and it's now like his lightest
playing weight in the NFL. I don't totally understand it.
We had like a ten minute discussion this morning. Why
is he losing weight? Like I want to be more agile?
Like he won the MVP last year? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Any idea? What the heck' what the heck that's about.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Here's a couple of reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Number One, once you get older, he's old, but once
you start to get older, he's taken some hits.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You want to protect your joints.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
And you know a lot of times once you go
to the league, you think about, if you're a.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Slight guy, you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
And it is true for him in his position, all
the hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
But you could also watch him last.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Year and I saw him at Louisville, and I saw
how fast and how explosive and elusive.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
He was.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
He's not that same guy last year. He wasn't He
could take a he can find a lane, he can
get fifteen twenty, But he's not out running those guys
the same way that he was. So I'm guessing he's
looking for some more explosiveness in the open field to
be able to take at the distance.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
And I think that's probably why he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How much of that do you think is just hey, man,
teams have adjusted, they see what he's about, they see
where he likes to pick his spots. We rush him
on the right, he's less likely to run on the left.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Or whatever it is. Yeah, do you think teams have
kind of just solved him?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I know that's tough to say coming off an
empty season, but the playoff success has not been there. Listen,
if we're going to bag on Dak, yeah for being
two and five in the playoffs. At what point does
Lamar get some scrutiny for his playoff failures now?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Like right now?
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Yeah, he's had enough. He's had enough of grace spirit.
Even for myself, I talk about him very well, that's
my guy. It is he needs to start winning. He's
had teams that should should have won and they haven't
gotten it done. So now it's going to fall on him.
And so if he needs to be comfortable and feel
confident in his in his body and his talent by
losing weight and being that guy, then I think this
(16:32):
is this is that next step from him and his
evolution of knowing him and knowing the game that he
wants to play.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
So after your time with the Jets, you were with
the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, they are a that was a disaster.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Yeah, it did not go well.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think we've talked about that before you Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So for some reason, people just love Kyler Murray and
I used to like him, and then you hear some
stuff and you're like, oh, Jesus is not good and
then the pouting and the playoff loss, and then he
gets injured and you just wonder, like, I don't do
menu to frame.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You saw the brace young struggles.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I don't know where are you on the Kyler Murray
situation in Arizona. They got a new coach. Obviously, they
got a great weapon.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
For him in Erason. But is this gonna work or
do you think Kyler's not long for Arizona.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
My old college teammateers they had coach there, Jonathan Gannon.
So that's that's a that's a great story as well.
But Kyler Murray, Man, it's one of those things where
he came back at the end of the end of
the year, the team actually looked better. They are a
better team with him at the quarterback position right now.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
And I think if you looked at the.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Guys who are out there, that could have been a
possibility or somebody to bring in to be that guy
to challenge him or to take over in Arizona, it
didn't exist. So right now, the best possible solution for
that team, and you know, in the I guess in
the immediacy of this year is Kyler Murray And so
give him a chance when he was healthy and had
some weapons on the outside.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
He was a pro bowler, So the guy can play.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Let's see if you can plan in a real traditional
style offense, and then we go from there.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
We can wrap up with Gannon. Since you guys were teammates,
they kind of exceeded expectations. Like they weren't great, but
they weren't like a two win dumpster fire. Tell us
about Gannon, Like, remember he was kind of awkward at
the beginning. Remember that interview he asked like the team,
did anybody take the bus here?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It was just very strange. Uh, he's a young guy.
What are you expecting in year two from Arizona.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I'm not expected much from them from the let's not
let's not get it twisted. But I do know the
thing about gannon Man, he's he's a guy's guy.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
He's a man's man.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
He's a pro. He's a pros pro type of guy.
He's a guy that had the talent. If he didn't
get hurt in college, he would have been in the
NFL as well.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Like he was.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
He was my he was my backup safety. So I
saw him very up close and personal. But he's a
guy that's going to have those guys rally. They're gonna
play hard, they're going to be smart, and so that's
all you can ask for.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
I don't know about the talent on that.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Team, but they're going to play in every game to
win and and and do it really well.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, all right, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Catch Carry Roads Sundays on Fox Sports Radio from noon
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Golfer, by the way, is it good? It's excellent?
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Yeah? No, one says golf all day, last Sunday. Okay,
I get it now, I get.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
It all right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Coming up next, there is a wild NFL storyline out
this week. I just I don't understand what's going on.
We'll tell you what that is, what it may mean.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
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Speaker 2 (19:14):
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Speaker 7 (19:29):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
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Speaker 9 (19:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
J mac Patrick Mahomes has established himself as the best
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for him to go up against and even learn from him.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Mahomes was on First Things First yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
And spoke about the quarterbacks that he pays the most
attention to in the league.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Right now, there's a couple John.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I like watching Josh Ala. We play a lot of
similar opponents. He plays in a similar style of football
that I do, so I always watch what the Bills
do and try to take from things that he does.
I like watching CJ. Strott a lot now. Man, He's
he's been the thing out there and he's making place happen.
And then I would say probably Joe. I mean just
Scott's I watched he say, We've had the same teams,
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and so watching him play definitely gives me some ideas
that we we can do us at all fits. But
I mean there's the thing about the NFL now, man's
a lot of great quarterbacks and so I'm kind of
the old guy now and I have to kind of
hold hold that title as the old guy. But I
try to continue to do whatever I can to be
the best that I can be.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
The best are always gonna wanna watch and kind of
keep tabs on the best, right, because these are the
guys that have Eater had his number, Joe Burrow at
the competition, Josh Allen, the future.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of the league in CJ. Stroud, And I love how.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Honest he's he was in this interview, just like honestly
keeping tabs on all the top guys in the league.
When he's not playing, he's churning it on and he's
watching their games.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I know, notice all four guys he likes, well, sorry,
three guys in himself, all in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, because that's his biggest competition, let's.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Say the NFC.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It's almost like the imbalance in the NBA. The West
is stacked and brutal and the East is not a joke.
But week and now in the NFC are like no
quarterbacks that you really like watching comeback.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
I mean, but that's who's gonna have to to face
to get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He almost got beat by brock Party. Let's remember that
Alex brock Party nearly took him down.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
In the half.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
But the only time that is like really going to
matter is if he gets to face him.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
In the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Also, is this a slight to Lamar? They're supposed to
have a rivalry. He doesn't like watching Lamar. We're just
starting a controversy. Patrick Mahome just not like Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Now, no, that's interesting that. Yeah, he actually didn't message if.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They go ahead to hit a bunch, they're all they're
the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
M hm. The league clearly think that they were the AFC.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I think most people took Lamar winning that game because.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They were favored. I lost money off.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I try also took Lamar, and it was after that loss,
I was like, I am never betting against Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs in the playoffs ever again.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And then you won in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Any But I just I don't know why Patrick Mahomes
hates Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean he does it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He just doesn't like, don't start. There's beef there, Clearly
there's no I mean, whin.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
There should be beef when you go up against some
of the best. But yeah, he's not watching his games.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, that's funny. Okay to move.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
To your Jets because they had their expectations set high
last season with the addition of Aaron Rodgers, but his
injury in Week one quickly put an end to their
Super Bowl dreams. This season, those hopes have grown again
with Rogers' return, and saus Gardner thinks a title.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Is in reach, same as Otfield last year.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
You know, I feel like we can win a championship,
you know, super Bowl. You know, we got the guys,
we got the coaches, No, we got airthing, we need
to training, training staff, everything that it takes for us
to be able to get to where we want to
get to.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But like I always said, we can't get to.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Can't get too load.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Just always standing in a moment and not looking too
far ahead, you know, because we know we got but
can stab of the fingers?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Can I'll be going.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I will say I love this confidence.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Right, every player, every team should go into the season
with that belief of, like, we got a chance to
win the Super Bowl, we have to get there. If
what's the point of playing the game? If that's not
your your main mindset and goal is to get to
the top of the mountain.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But as we were talking about a little.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Bit ago, I think we need a little, a tiny
bit bigger sample size than four snaps of Aaron Rodgers
playing with the Jets, maybe even a full game.
Speaker 12 (23:40):
I like, I.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Appreciate the confidence because when a guy doesn't say that,
it's like, well then what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
But I yeah, to see Aaron Rodgers play in a full.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Game, maybe a couple games, maybe a month with the
Jets to then be like, okay, yeah it's here, they
got it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I know you're a.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
What would you call yourself a delusional Jets I'm not
you said you like I fell forward again, I don't
do it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We're going all the way?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a realist.
And you know the reality is they have an amazing roster.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean someone broke down by the positional groups and
the Jets apparently have the second best roster in the
league after the Niners. Now again, this guy, Mike Clay
at ESPN.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Booked down Jets Jets report.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
He's not a j he's just like a NFL guy,
and like there's reasons to be optimistic, like let's get
excited now. There was a great quote in there from
Soft Guarter, never get too high and never get too low.
You know, now that I live out here in California,
I heard this good surfing analogy where like, listen, most
of your life is spent in the water. There's gonna
be some big, scary waves.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Don't be terrified. There's gonna be some little waves. You're
gonna wait.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But most of your life you're just spending time in
the water and it's pretty tranquil. But they're gonna be
highs and lows, and you cannot get impacted by the
lows like last year Rogers goes down or the highs
where they beat the Bills. When Rogers went down that game,
do you remember the punt return walk off I.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is gonna sound solusory. I don't mind have been
in this. So I had set up my phone in
front the TV.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You were gonna get video of me and my family
watching in overtime, and I have video.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I never posted it because I look.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like a bit of an ass clown and my kids
are like laughing at me. But I have the video
and like, I do that in big sports moments.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, a lot of people do.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That's why you get into high I would get those
viral moments, but I mean the chets have been low
for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, over a decade. Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, So I'll give you those moments.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yes, relish in this moment before the season starts now
because there's.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Hope, and then they go out opening weekend to stay
in fran twenty four to ten.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
No, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
It's gonna be tough, all right, Let's switch gears to
that UFL because they revealed the trophy that will be
given out so the first champion of the league this year.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It was crafted by.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Designers at the Society Awards, and the league said the
trophy symbolizes it's a culmination of dedication perseverance and teamwork
that is the foundation of the UFL. This season's champion
will be crowned on June sixteenth. There are still two
weeks left of the regular season, but the playoff field
is already set. The Birmingham Stallions, the Michigan Panthers of
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Saint Louis BattleHawks, the San Antonio Brahmas will advance to
the playoffs and that's going to start Saturday, June eighth,
Sunday June ninth on Fox.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And the Stallions apparently.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Are the team to beat. They're undefeated in the UFL
this season. They have won the last two championships in
the USFL. And we've seen a couple guys get an
opportunity and make their way over to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Cowboys picked up a couple.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Brandon Aubrey, their kicker was incredible, and then Cavante Turpin
also coming over to the NFL from the NFL.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So yeah, there might be keep it. Keep an eye
out on these guys.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It should be exciting.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I like the trophy, the head on view. Have you
seen the movie Troy with Brad Pitt, Yeah, like a
while ago. It's a little old, amazing, very reachable, I
love it, but the trophy view from the head on
looks like the helmet that he wears.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
As a goose. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean I show my kids the scene where he
storms the beach with his crew and the speech that
he gives is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I can see it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It just looks tough. It looks like heavier.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yeah, it's different, neque.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, fun. All right, Alex with the news. Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
All right, So coming up next, Oh boy, Minnesota last
night had the defensive Player of the Year. His name
is Rudy Gobert, and I thought Oneyama should have won
the award. So Rudy Gobert gets annihilated I'm just talking
eviscerated by Luca and the pick and roll and stan
(28:02):
Van Gunny on the on the telecast kept saying, you
can't play this drop coverage, you can't sag back, Luca's
gonna kill you. And they scored sixty two points in
the paint, sixty two against the defensive Player of the Year. Okay,
I know you can't redo the voting and get one
Minyama in there, but Minnesota's got to make some adjustments
to stop the Luca Doncis train, because folks, I'm just
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telling you they're in deep trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
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Speaker 5 (29:17):
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Speaker 3 (29:36):
All right, So last night, Minnesota jumps to a lead
at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They're leading at halftime.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I believe it was closed, maybe one point game heading
into the fourth, and then Luca took over with fifteen points.
And remember Minnesota had the best defense in the NBA
all season and they were powerless to stop Luca. Legend
unbelievable performance from Luka and Kyrie Irving. My guy gave
him a shout out in the first hour. Twenty four
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points in the first half for Kyrie. And listen, obviously
you start to break down some x's and o's. What
can Minnesota do differently to stop Luca and Kyrie? Short
answer is nothing. Hope they miss because guys, look at
all these highlights. Rudy Gobert is in the middle of
the lane in the pick and roll, and Luca's annihilating him.
Luca and Kyrie are unstoppable in the paint, and Rudy
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Gobert is no defensive Player of the Year. What can
they do to adjust? Well, there's a couple things. You
could blitz Luca just to get the ball out of
his hands, and hope the other guy's PJ Washington, who
missed all his threes except one late at PJ Washington,
Derek Lively, the young guy. Hope they make mistakes because
Luca's not. Maybe he has an off night shooting. Maybe
Kyrie has an off night. By the way, Kyrie one
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for nine in the second half. I think he was
zero for six in the fourth, so he slowed down
after the hot start. But we talked with Ryan Hollins,
former NBA center, earlier about possible defensive adjustments that Minnesota
could make.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But this is game one. One thing this is this
is chessnut checkers.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
PJ.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Washington, Okay and Jones Junior.
Speaker 11 (31:06):
They showed you, they showed Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
If you take away the lib we will hit the three.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Let's see if you're in rhythm, because we kept you
Game one out of rhythm. Dallas only hit what six
or seven three pointers from the entire game, but they
got rimmed. Then the third adjustment. I think what you're
saying is you're gonna switch. And then this is where
Dallas becomes dangerous because you got go there or Nis
Reed or Kat Garden who Luca and Kyrie on the perimeter.
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So that's what makes it a dangerous and okay, see
was the biggest headache because they could do what they
could go out and switch. They were able to switch
with Dallas. So now you're in a situation where you
have to pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I'm looking at the box score. Are you ready
for this?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So Minnesota on three pointers eighteen to forty nine, eighteen
to forty nine for three, Dallas was six of twenty five.
That is a humongous advantage in threes made. So where
did dominate, Well, we're gonna dominate in the lane and
on the free throw line. Free throw line cost them
against OKC in one game free throw line last night
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they were sixteen to seventeen. Two key ones from Kyrie Lay.
Here's what I don't want to hear from Minnesota excuses
Anthony Edwards after the game. You know it's funny, Reggie Miller.
I think it was late third quarter was like Reggie Miller,
who I'm not a huge fan of an announcer. I
know he shouldn't blast him like that, but he blocked
me on Twitter Alex years ago. I mean, come on, Reggie. Anyways,
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So Reggie Miller's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Anthony Edwards seems hurt.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's hurt looking, he's laboring, and then like two possessions later,
he's like, no, no, Anthony Edwards is just tired. He's
gassed from getting torched by Kyrie Irving. And so after
the game, Anthony Edwards gets to the podium and he's like,
shoulders slumped, not looking like the cocky, young, trash talking
dude that he really is. Here's Anthony Edwards after the loss.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
We came out flat today, I mean, and then we
found our energy. Then we went back to me in flat.
So I think it was just on us. Everything was
on us today. I didn't get down hal as much. Yeah,
just stuff like that. We was just a little tired.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Probably it didn't get downhill as much if you guys
were watching closely. And again, this was a great game.
Fourth quarter drama, back and forth. MAVs had a thirteen
nothing run and then Minnesota counter with a thirteen, one
of their own.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm just gonna say, Anthony Edwards, you're twenty two years old,
how are you tired? What?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Twenty two and tired? That's an excuse, Like, give me
a break. He had zero two point baskets in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
None. He didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Drive inside and get a shot blocked. He settled for threes.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
But they took eighty nine shots in the game, forty
nine of them were threes. That's out of character. They
were the ones who were poor to adjust against the
Dallas defense, and folks, I like the MAVs in this series.
We'll talk maybe a little in the final hour about
Boston and Indiana Game two tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Not as much juice in that series.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
As I told Alex earlier, I do have a men's
league game tonight, big one, big one, and I'm probably
gonna miss probably the first half. But don't worry if
you're not. I do have a recording capabilities on my
cable TV. I want to quickly pivot back to the
NFL for a moment.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We talked with Kerry Rhodes a little while ago about
Lamar Jackson. Kerry Rhodes went to Louisville, as did Lamar.
So Lamar Jackson's an interesting guy. He came into the league,
he was the last pick in the first round. He
didn't start for the first half of the season. Comes on,
it's basically a running quarterback, gets him to the playoffs,
and I memory serves they had a back to back
games against the Chargers like in the final week and
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he was good. And then in the playoff game and
they adjusted and totally shut him down. Lamar bounces back.
They end up getting the number one seed. He wins
an MVP. Last season, he wins another MVP and Lamar
craps the bed in the AFC Championship game at home,
no less against the Chiefs. Not nothing wrong with losing
to the eventual champs. But Lamar Jackson now is claiming
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he's lost another ten pounds. He's at his lowest playing
weight in the NFL, and he wants to be more agile.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And I'm sitting here, like, you know, if I can.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Be able to move around a little bit extra, that's off.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Just ought can be more agile, be able to move more,
not to offend anyone, not like that.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
But yeah, we got the Patriott you know, we sacrifice
of our body each and every game.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
You know practices. So yeah, I believe we've read it
don't matter about the weight.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm are we buying this like a quarterback wants to
be skinnier and quicker so you can run more and
get hit more. This doesn't make sense. Cam Newton the
greatest running quarterback ever. I know he doesn't like me.
We had a little beef like six months ago. Whatever
it happens. You know, Kim Newton was thick, sturdy, probably
two forty Okay, Justin Herbert, big thick quarterback. Who are
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the small guys? Tua injured, Kyler Murray injured. I don't
understand why Lamar wants to lose weight and run more.
That's not a winning recipe in the NFL. To in
the NFL, you got to a stay healthy and be
win from the pocket. Sure, yes, scrambling matters. Patrick Mahomes
is the perfect example. He stays in the pocket, reads
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the defense, does it panic, but if he has to scramble.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He'll run.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
That's what Lamar should be doing these design runs. I
don't know that that's a winning recipe. And you know
I asked carry roads earlier. Why on earth would Lamar
Jackson want to lose more weight.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Here's what Kerry Roads had to say.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Once you get older, and he's not old, but once
you start to get older, he's taking some hits.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
You want to protect your joints.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
And you know a lot of times once you go
to the league, you think about, if you're a slight guy,
you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle. And
it is true for him in his position, all the
hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself. But
you could also watch him last year and I saw
him at Louisville, and I saw how fast and how.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Explosive and elusive he was. He's not that same guy
last year.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
He wasn't He could take a he can find a lane,
it can get fit twenty, but he's not out running
those guy. It's the same way that he was. So
I'm guessing he's looking for some more explosiveness in the
open field to be able to take at the distance.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So remember last year, the big storyline in Baltimore was
Lamar's got his best receiving group ever. They had Odell Beckham,
they drafted Zave Flowers, who was a revelation, except he
had a brutal AFC Championship game, and then they had
Rashad Bateman, their former first round pick. They had Mark Andrews. Now, yes,
you could argue Andrews got banged up and that hurt
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them late in the season, but he had his best
wide receiver room last year. He wins an MVP, and
he wants to lose more weight. I'm missing something, Alex.
I don't know what it. Maybe you're aware of what
I'm missing something. Maybe I have some tunnel vision here,
but I'm not understanding why Lamar Jackson is trying to
lose weight.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Where my mind initially goes is okay. Maybe he's working
with a nutritionist right because if you change your diet
you can start to lean out. Or maybe he's doing
more of or adding yoga to his workout. I know
a lot of athletes wants to get later in their career.
It stretches you out, it leans you out, but it
also strengthens, as I heard Kerry Road saying, your joints,
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your muscles, so you avoid those injuries later on in
your career. My dear friend Richard Jefferson, former NBA champion,
home of to yoga studio in Hermosa Beach towards the
end of his career, and he telled me it completely
changed his body, It changed his mindset. It was one
of the things that helped him to be able to
play later on in his career. And he gets Lebron
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James in there all the time, and all of these
athletes just rave about what it does to your body.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
But it does lean you out a bit. So I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
It could be one of those two things, like a
diet change, adding the stretching in the yoga to it
a little more. But whatever is going to work for
Lamar and make him feel the most confident on the field,
whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
So do you ten pounds?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Do you remember last year?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So Tua was coming off the concussions and in the
off season two was like, I'm doing jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
And he's falling. He needed to get better at falling.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That made total sense, right, he was doing jiu jitsu
and something else he was working on so he could
absorb hits better or know how to fall instead of
getting ragdalled because he's kind of tiny. I understood that.
That made sense. I'm still your yoga example. By the way,
I do go there occasionally. R J.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'm recruiting him to my men's league team. Don't tell anyone. Yeah,
he's such a nice guy, and yoga makes sense. You
want to be more number, but losing weight as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I just even these guys like Bryce Young, right, we
saw the video after he was drafted. He's in the
huddle and he just looks super tiny and they pulled
him out of forth and short. Remember like the bush
push or whatever they call it in the brotherly shove.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
That till he was doing that.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, Carolina was going to try that and they
were like, oh, we can't use him, he's too small.
So they had to put in Andy Dalton and it
was like, we can't have a quarterback getting dinged up.
And Lamar's making it sound like I want to be
more agile. Now you could argue defensive ends are getting quicker.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
The MVP like he knows what it takes to win
and to be great and if he believes this is
what's going to help get him to that next lover
level over that playoff hump that he just can't seem
to get by. Patrick Mahomes like, you got to try
something right, because there aren't there aren't any more excuses.
And if if he thinks losing ten pounds is going
to make him quicker, faster and be able to do
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the things that he wasn't able to do, which is
get to a super Bowl and beat Patrick Mahomes in
the playoffs, then like maybe let's he's throwing stuff on
the wall and see what's sticking.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it just it seems to me like a weird
adjustment after winning. And how could I get better after
winning an MVP? I don't know what a playoff game
Dak two and five in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Maybe Lamara help him get there though.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Lamar two and four, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
All right, So tonight we have when we have Pacers
Celtics Game two. Yeah, Boston got lucky in Game one,
very lucky to pay that Pacers themselves. Yeah, yeah, big
line tonight. Is there any case or argument for the
for the Pacers to steal this one or no?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
I mean, after Game one, you gotta feel pretty confident
because going into this series, I thought it's gonna be
a cake walk for Boston and maybe not a cakewalk,
but an easy winnable series to get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, Pacers said no.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I mean they they controlled a good chunk of that
game and then they they lost that game for themselves.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Indy, Indie blew it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But you watched MAVs last night, Yeah, and then you
watch the Celtics the night prior, and I don't know
how you can't walk away saying the MAVs are the
best team left.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'm sorry to Boston. I like them on.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You you have a you have a thing for the
MAVs though, So this is m.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I have a Luca affinity, you know, pre covid.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I would go to some NBA games with a media
pass and I would stand on the court like a
big loser, like during the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Warm ups in the arena.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well I think it's cool. Yeah, But like and Luca's
like basically where this chair is and I'm just watching him,
and I'm like, this guy's incredible. Makes it look so
because he's not fast as Ryan Holins.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Almost looks like he's playing in slow mo does. Sometimes
it's just dun dunk, gotcha, and.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Nobody can stop him.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Now, the complaining with the refs, I get that, but
I watched them close and I was like, I'm just
a huge fan and this guy's been unbelievable all.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
NBA playing injured.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, did you see the blood on his knee last
I'm like, this guy is a warrior. So anyways, I
like him a lot of you know, I used to
like Kyrie. I'm back on we have a rocky relationship.
I'm back on tokay with Kyrie. So I think the
Maps are the best team left. Celtics should win tonight
with ease, a couple of adjustments and they should win.
I'm not really I'm not going to give out a
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nine point favorite, but I think Boston is that the
line I saw the line I saw now I haven't
seen in the last two hours. I can't go on
my phone during the show.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Good for you, Final Hour, You're learning, Final.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hour coming up, very excited. The Power Hour is Kyrie
Irving all grown up and Aaron Rodgers Big year ahead.
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Welcome Back, Ladies and Gentlemen. Hour number two in The Herd.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd. He's somewhere on the
East Coast. I'm not allowed to say. I have not
texted him yet to see if he's okay. That's not
what I do.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Anyways.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Anyways, I joined as always by Alex Curry Alex one
Hour of the Books. You know, Alex has a big
birthday weekend.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I do. I t also my sister's birthdays. Whoa, yeah,
we're close, Hapy birthday, Samantha.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
I love you.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Shout out nice, I know. And we're getting We're gonna
have like a lot of people in here today. We're
gonna get a little audience.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Let's just say.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I was not prepared for that. I will be why
talking to the executives about it.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Later. Who means that added pressure?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Oh see, you never did.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
So I started in live events. I was sidelined for
ten years. So you'd be doing hits in front of
like tens of thousands of people. I mean that's normal.
I'm like, yeah, it gives you motivation. Let's go, it's
gonna be fun, live.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Audience live, You're gonna do, right, geez.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Use it as motivation.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Press pressure, remember right, pressure? I love I make love
to pressure. Coming up here, great guest. Uh he's a
former Jets player. I told we do when I'm filling in.
It's Jets, baby. But first we we You know, the
lists on the internet are a big deal, okay.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
I you know.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I had started a little website. It did okay, sold,
it didn't make retirement money. But lists we're a big
driving force behind my website. We also did a lot
of sports media talk and Colin Coward blew it up
one day.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But lists are really the lifeblood of the Internet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Everybody loves to click on a list and see where
players rank.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
So Bill Simmons, a sports media person, has a website
called The Ringer, and they put out a list of
the top twenty five NBA players under the age of
twenty five. Okay, number one, Victor one Minyama. I can't
totally hate that. He is the future of the league.
Everybody gets that. But look what they did at two
and three Anthony Edwards and Shay Gilders. Alexander really over
(02:26):
Luka Doncic, Who's accomplished more than those two guys combined.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's insanity. Now, I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
You want to really pump up the American players because
we're in the era of the Europeans. Who cares, guys,
Come on, that's so disrespectful to Luka Doncic. Now, interestingly,
not even on that list is Jahn Morant Zion Williamson's buried.
Those two guys were supposed to be the future they
supposedly had next. Now, what I did before this list
was mostly it was pushed back against Colin who has
(02:56):
a distaste for my guy, Jason Tatum. Now, you guys know,
I was born in New York. I grew up disliking
all things Boston. Hated, hated Capitol, h hated the Red Sox. Okay,
I didn't even see that dumb Boston Red Sox movie
with Drew Barrymore fever pitch.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Have you guys heard of that.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I refused to even watch it just because it was
about the Red Sox. Sorry, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon
did not like the Patriots, but I respected Brady obviously.
How can you not really did not like the Boston
Celtics in any capacity for a weird I don't know
why I feel in affinity for Jason Tatum.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Not like my men's league game. We got a game
tonight is.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Anything like Tatum's. But I'd love me some Jason Tatum.
I've had a lot of Laker fans think he's a
huge Kobe fan. He's gonna eventually come to the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
So what I did was, I said, here are the
five players in the NBA I would build around right now.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
There's only five and the list is tight.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, here we go, knowing that Steph Curry you're not
building around at this age, Lebron kd they're out. Okay,
here my five to build on right now. I have
Luka Doncic, who I think is the ultimate. He makes
everyone else better in the same way Lebron has Giannis. Obviously,
he has a chip, He's a unicorn. You build around him.
I have Jason Tatum on this list, folks. Our staff
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came up with some numbers that are just staggering for
what he's accomplished so far in his career. More than
Jordan at this age, more than Lebron at this age.
Jason Tatum has had so much playoff success and he's
been the alpha on that team. You can build around
him and win a title with him. I have web
Ben Yama, obviously he's a unicorn. And I have Jokic,
got three MVPs, he's got a title. Now you'll see
(04:37):
on this list is not Anthony Edwards, and people at Jay,
you're crazy, Oh my god. Anthony Edwards is the next Jordan.
Maybe maybe his team comes back and wins the Western
Conference Finals and win the title, and I've got to
redo this list. But Anthony Edwards has twenty three games
in his playoff career so far, he's won two series
in his career, and we're building around him.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He looks like a star.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
He's got all the tools, he's got the riz, as
the kids like to say, right, he's got the swag,
and a lot of it has to do with how
do you, how are you perceived by fans. And I'm
telling you Anthony Edwards talking trash to Kevin Durant in
the first round, that's a viral moment. Anthony Edwards dropping
curse words in press conferences.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
People love that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Anthony Edwards has it. He's got that quality that people love.
Can you build around him? I don't know. He's got
a great team, right, They've got the role players who
fit perfectly, But I don't have Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Is a top five guy.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Build around Shay gils Is Alexander. Sorry, I'm not taking
a guard who's awesome in the mid range as my
build around guy.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I think he could be a great two. I don't
think he's a one.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And with that, let's get to our guest who's ready
to talk some football. He is a former Jet safety.
Oh yeah, he was on that Brett Favre team. Carrie Rhodes,
Welcome him in Carrie Rhodes, Fox Sports Radio, twelve pm
every Sun.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
How are you, man, man, I'm doing well.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I heard him say rigs and swags, so I was
a little nervous.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I'm trying to sound like, yeah, I'm try hard like the.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
New York Nicks.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I get it. Yeah, Nilon had a great year.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
So Carrie, let's start.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Aaron Rodgers went to the podium yesterday and saying a
bunch of wacky stuff, but some of it is truth telling. Hey,
if I don't deliver the whole everything, it's all blown up.
You were on one of those Jets teams where it
was like Brett favor Bus. Help take us back to
those days. I mean they had a great start.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Yeah, it's it's true.
Speaker 8 (06:32):
I mean, as you get older in the league, obviously
your resume is usually speaks for itself. His resume speaks
for itself with a few asterisks along the way of
you know, some stuff that he said and brought on
him onto himself. But I mean as a player in
the league, man, as you get advanced, you have to perform,
and if you don't at the number you're usually being
paid at in that league, if you're not doing it,
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they will bring somebody else in cheaper that can do
the job as well. So it is a make up
break gear for him. He came up an injury and
now he has a chance.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
To show what he still has at this ripe age
of forty forty forty one.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now he's ancient. We'll just stay with that. So you
were on that.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I've talked to Eric Bengei so much about those Yeah
that far Via like listen, he said the story.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He didn't love the idea of bringing.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Far Yeah, but I'm just curious how did it play
in the locker room, because I'm just curious, like when
somebody's saying all this extreme stuff on podcasts in the media, like,
does that even matter in the locker room? Do you
look at the guy and be like, I can't believe
he said that, Does that happen or no?
Speaker 8 (07:33):
Yeah, Brett coming in was definitely a disruptor. We loved
the idea. I loved the idea. He was a good
friend of mine during the time we were playing. But
you started seeing fractures. He wasn't a guy that actually
dressed in the same locker room with us, so like
even just the dynamic of how a locker room works,
he didn't fit that mold, and so you start having
(07:54):
things happen when you know, as the season progress. We
had a great year. I think we were nine and
three at one point. Yeah, you know, when you're winning,
that covers a lot of things. As soon as you
get an injury. He had an injury that he had.
He didn't tell the team. He tried to fight through
it to be tough, and you know that's part of
his DNA.
Speaker 7 (08:10):
But it's not helping us win.
Speaker 8 (08:11):
So we lose the final four, and then you start
seeing the things, Well, Okay, he's not in the locker
room with us.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
He dresses in the coaches locker room.
Speaker 8 (08:19):
And as a team, before he got there, we would
wear suits on the away games to go to the
games and get ready to play. He would not do that.
He would wear his wranglers, he would wear jeans, would
be comfortable. So things like that starts to creep in,
and then it's not about the team anymore.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
It's about a guy, and that's where it fractured us.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
So then the year after, Mark Sanchez comes in regular
guests on the show.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I know him well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I was a was a fan when he was a player,
and you guys got better, went to the championship game
back to back years.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
Yeah, yeah, you're bringing a guy like Mark who just
came in and really good guy. He was humble from
the beginning, obviously, with the expectations being a number four
fourth pick in that draft and you.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Know, being missed through New York. I mean, he was
out in the bout.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
He had fun, but he just did his job. He
didn't have to do much for us. We were a
team that that was prepared to win and had a
number one defense and a great running game, and he
managed the game well. And also in the playoffs, that's
when he started to make big throws, make make the
major league throws and and kind of separate himself from
that rookie to a guy, serviceable guy that can actually
(09:23):
go out and win some games.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
And so he performed well in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Pivoting away from the Jets, but sticking with guys saying
inflammatory stuff. So the Chiefs are going through some stuff
with the Rashi Rice off the field, Harrison Butker, the
kicker Andy Reid is now with dressing stuff again. I
just want to I'm just curious from a locker room perspective,
Chiefs have won back to back Super Bowls, right, There's
gonna be hurdles this year.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But do you think any.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Of this Is this just off season noise and it's
irrelevant or is there something? I mean, they lost sneed
the great cornerback. I just I don't know how that's
going to play in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Locker room wise, they'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (09:58):
They got enough leaders to wrangle it and get the
focus on the focus and which will be football from
them and trying to make history. I think what's gonna be,
you know, a thorn in their side.
Speaker 7 (10:09):
Is it's just history.
Speaker 8 (10:11):
It's hard to do what they what they've done the
last couple of years, and then to do it again,
It's gonna be hard. And so I think more about
the play on the field and the other team's getting
better would be a problem for them more than just
the locker room stuff.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
They have a great core, they have the same guys
in that locker room, so.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
They'll be prepared to try to defend their title, but
it'll be hard.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
The quarterback situation is weird in the league where Dak
is angling for more money. Yeah, Jordan loves angling for
more money.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I mean they deserve it. Yeah, Tua is waiting on
his contract.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oddly, in the NBA, people get upset when Shake Gilds
of Salaxander's in line to make eighty million and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Jalen Brown Jaylen Brown's.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Sixty seven mil whatever the number is Yeah, but these quarterbacks,
like we're all rooting for them to get paid, but
the problem is when they when you pay them, it's
tough to build around. I believe the stat is, no
quarterback who's been the highest paid has ever won a
super Bowl in this new salary cap era. Where are
you on the likes of Tua Dak Jordan Loves, how
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would you handle this stuff?
Speaker 7 (11:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:10):
I mean with Dallas, they have so many holes that
they need to feel to give that team a chance
to really compete and win. So I think they need
to be a little stingy with what they give Dak
along the way. But I think also you look at
those successful New England teams. I know you're talking about,
you know Brady and those guys. He was never the
highest paid guy ever. He was I don't know if
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he was making sacrifices. I don't know if that's the
correct word, but he was in a place where I'm
sure he was making money off the field where that
kind of trump to what he needed to make on
the roster on the team, so to speak. So I
think there's ways to still make that money and give
your team a chance to win.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
So I think for Dak, he's already been paid once.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
I think for Dak, if he really wants to win,
he should, you know, kind of massage that money and
make sure he gives some of those guys the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
You're suggesting Dak maybe takes a hometown discount for sure.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Really, if he wants to win, he's been paid. He's
been paid once. Okay, Now, Jordan Loves is a different story.
He hasn't been said.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
That's a good point. So but let me let me ask.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
So if you say, Dak, could you take a home
down discount, He'll be like, guys, Daniel Jones got forty
million dollars a year, why would I pay it?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I'm way better than him.
Speaker 7 (12:20):
Sure, and that Sam sucks, right, Yeah, and that's the point.
Speaker 8 (12:23):
So yeah, I mean, if you want to get paid,
and it's about that, then by all means I want
you to get your money as well. Yeah, as a player,
I get that, But if you want to win as
far as Dak, like I said, he's already been paid,
I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
I mean, I've seen it.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
He's got enough endorsements, so I'm sure pick kind of.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Massade some of that money lost financial losses.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Okay, so let's play that out. So Dak says, well, no,
I'm not taking a major hometown to sure minor give me,
give me fifty million year, we'll call it a day.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Golf is making fifty three, he's not much better than me.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, And at that point, do you think the Cowboys say,
you know what, we're just not doing that.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
We're moving on from you.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
I don't know if they're moving on from him. I
think they'll figure it out the way. But I'm saying
just from if he's really committed to winning and if
he's committed to doing the right thing for that team,
not the organization, because like I said, players should get
every dollar day, yeah that they're capable of making.
Speaker 7 (13:13):
But again, he's made it.
Speaker 8 (13:14):
He's made a lot of money, and if he wants
to win and put himself in a different category of
a quarterback in this league, he has to make a sacrifice.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Do you think at that point the quarterback can say, Okay, well, sure,
maybe i'll take a little less. What are you doing
with that money? Are you pocketing it or were you spending?
How is that being allocated? Like, do I get to say,
since it's technically my money now I don't know how
that would work in a negotiation with an NFL player,
But he's been the franchise quarterback for what seven years
or eight?
Speaker 7 (13:42):
Maybe?
Speaker 8 (13:43):
Yeah, franchise quarterback situations. I'm sure they're having those conversations
that way. Now we're talking about myself in that situation,
it wouldn't be the same. But he's been the franchise guy.
He's had a great career, and I think what really,
you know, when the conversation about da comes to play,
a lot of people have their own stories in their
own recollection of where he came from and where he
(14:03):
should be. I mean, the guy was a fourth round pick.
He was a guy that wasn't looked upon to be
the guy. He happens to fall into a situation where
Dallas is ready to win, Romo gets hurt. He steps
in and performs really well under those circumstances, and so
I think we've operated from that level of understanding for him.
He's exceeded all expectations, and so for him to go
(14:24):
out and want the money is fair. But if he
wants to win, there's there's certain ways to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I see you had gone to Louisville. I guess I
forgot that.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
You pronounced it right.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Ye, So Lamar Jackson famously went to Louisville. Yeah, did
you see he was in the news this week because
he's lost ten pounds and it's now like his lightest
playing weight in the NFL. I don't totally understand it.
We had like a ten minute discussion this morning. Why
is he losing weight? Like I want to be more agile?
Like he won the MVP last year? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Any idea? What the heck' what the heck that's about.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
Here's a couple of reasons.
Speaker 8 (14:58):
Number One, once you get older, he's old, but once
you start to get older, he's taken some hits.
Speaker 7 (15:03):
You want to protect your joints.
Speaker 8 (15:04):
And you know a lot of times once you go
to the league, you think about, if you're a.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Slight guy, you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle.
Speaker 8 (15:10):
And it is true for him in his position, all
the hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
But you could also watch him last.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Year and I saw him at Louisville, and I saw
how fast and how explosive and elusive.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
He was.
Speaker 8 (15:24):
He's not that same guy last year. He wasn't He
could take a he can find a lane, he can
get fifteen twenty, But he's not out running those guys
the same way that he was. So I'm guessing he's
looking for some more explosiveness in the open field to
be able to take at the distance.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
And I think that's probably why he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
How much of that do you think is just hey, man,
teams have adjusted, they see what he's about, they see
where he likes to pick his spots. We rush him
on the right, he's less likely to run on the left.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Or whatever it is. Yeah, do you think teams have
kind of just solved him?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I know that's tough to say coming off an
empty season, but the playoff success has not been there. Listen,
if we're going to bag on Dak, yeah for being
two and five in the playoffs. At what point does
Lamar get some scrutiny for his playoff failures now?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
Like right now?
Speaker 8 (16:11):
Yeah, he's had enough. He's had enough of grace spirit.
Even for myself, I talk about him very well, that's
my guy. It is he needs to start winning. He's
had teams that should should have won and they haven't
gotten it done. So now it's going to fall on him.
And so if he needs to be comfortable and feel
confident in his in his body and his talent by
losing weight and being that guy, then I think this
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is this is that next step from him and his
evolution of knowing him and knowing the game that he
wants to play.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
So after your time with the Jets, you were with
the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, they are a that was a disaster.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
Yeah, it did not go well.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I think we've talked about that before you Yeah.
Speaker 7 (16:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
So for some reason, people just love Kyler Murray and
I used to like him, and then you hear some
stuff and you're like, oh, Jesus is not good and
then the pouting and the playoff loss, and then he
gets injured and you just wonder, like, I don't do
menu to frame.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You saw the brace young struggles.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I don't know where are you on the Kyler Murray
situation in Arizona. They got a new coach. Obviously, they
got a great weapon.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
For him in Erason. But is this gonna work or
do you think Kyler's not long for Arizona.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
My old college teammateers they had coach there, Jonathan Gannon.
So that's that's a that's a great story as well.
But Kyler Murray, Man, it's one of those things where
he came back at the end of the end of
the year, the team actually looked better. They are a
better team with him at the quarterback position right now.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
And I think if you looked at the.
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Guys who are out there, that could have been a
possibility or somebody to bring in to be that guy
to challenge him or to take over in Arizona, it
didn't exist. So right now, the best possible solution for
that team, and you know, in the I guess in
the immediacy of this year is Kyler Murray And so
give him a chance when he was healthy and had
some weapons on the outside.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
He was a pro bowler, So the guy can play.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Let's see if you can plan in a real traditional
style offense, and then we go from there.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
We can wrap up with Gannon. Since you guys were teammates,
they kind of exceeded expectations. Like they weren't great, but
they weren't like a two win dumpster fire. Tell us
about Gannon, Like, remember he was kind of awkward at
the beginning. Remember that interview he asked like the team,
did anybody take the bus here?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It was just very strange. Uh, he's a young guy.
What are you expecting in year two from Arizona.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
I'm not expected much from them from the let's not
let's not get it twisted. But I do know the
thing about gannon Man, he's he's a guy's guy.
Speaker 7 (18:30):
He's a man's man.
Speaker 8 (18:31):
He's a pro. He's a pros pro type of guy.
He's a guy that had the talent. If he didn't
get hurt in college, he would have been in the
NFL as well.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Like he was.
Speaker 8 (18:37):
He was my he was my backup safety. So I
saw him very up close and personal. But he's a
guy that's going to have those guys rally. They're gonna
play hard, they're going to be smart, and so that's
all you can ask for.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
I don't know about the talent on that.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Team, but they're going to play in every game to
win and and and do it really well.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, all right, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
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Speaker 7 (19:02):
Yeah? No, one says golf all day, last Sunday. Okay,
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Speaker 2 (19:05):
It all right.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Coming up next, there is a wild NFL storyline out
this week. I just I don't understand what's going on.
We'll tell you what that is, what it may mean.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Next.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
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back to the Herd. Let's go to Alex Curry with
the news.
Speaker 7 (19:29):
No, no, turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
This is the Herd line news.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Well.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
J mac Patrick Mahomes has established himself as the best
quarterback in the league, but there's plenty of top competition
for him to go up against and even learn from him.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Mahomes was on First Things First yesterday.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
And spoke about the quarterbacks that he pays the most
attention to in the league.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Right now, there's a couple John.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
I like watching Josh Ala. We play a lot of
similar opponents. He plays in a similar style of football
that I do, so I always watch what the Bills
do and try to take from things that he does.
I like watching CJ. Strott a lot now. Man, He's
he's been the thing out there and he's making place happen.
And then I would say probably Joe. I mean just
Scott's I watched he say, We've had the same teams,
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and so watching him play definitely gives me some ideas
that we we can do us at all fits. But
I mean there's the thing about the NFL now, man's
a lot of great quarterbacks and so I'm kind of
the old guy now and I have to kind of
hold hold that title as the old guy. But I
try to continue to do whatever I can to be
the best that I can be.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
The best are always gonna wanna watch and kind of
keep tabs on the best, right, because these are the
guys that have Eater had his number, Joe Burrow at
the competition, Josh Allen, the future.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of the league in CJ. Stroud, And I love how.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Honest he's he was in this interview, just like honestly
keeping tabs on all the top guys in the league.
When he's not playing, he's churning it on and he's
watching their games.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I know, notice all four guys he likes, well, sorry,
three guys in himself, all in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, because that's his biggest competition, let's.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Say the NFC.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
It's almost like the imbalance in the NBA. The West
is stacked and brutal and the East is not a joke.
But week and now in the NFC are like no
quarterbacks that you really like watching comeback.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
I mean, but that's who's gonna have to to face
to get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
He almost got beat by brock Party. Let's remember that
Alex brock Party nearly took him down.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
In the half.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
But the only time that is like really going to
matter is if he gets to face him.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
In the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Also, is this a slight to Lamar? They're supposed to
have a rivalry. He doesn't like watching Lamar. We're just
starting a controversy. Patrick Mahome just not like Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Now, no, that's interesting that. Yeah, he actually didn't message if.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They go ahead to hit a bunch, they're all they're
the first game of the season.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
M hm. The league clearly think that they were the AFC.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I think most people took Lamar winning that game because.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They were favored. I lost money off.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I try also took Lamar, and it was after that loss,
I was like, I am never betting against Patrick Mahomes
and the Chiefs in the playoffs ever again.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And then you won in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Any But I just I don't know why Patrick Mahomes
hates Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean he does it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
He just doesn't like, don't start. There's beef there, Clearly
there's no I mean, whin.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
There should be beef when you go up against some
of the best. But yeah, he's not watching his games.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, that's funny. Okay to move.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
To your Jets because they had their expectations set high
last season with the addition of Aaron Rodgers, but his
injury in Week one quickly put an end to their
Super Bowl dreams. This season, those hopes have grown again
with Rogers' return, and saus Gardner thinks a title.
Speaker 7 (22:39):
Is in reach, same as Otfield last year.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
You know, I feel like we can win a championship,
you know, super Bowl. You know, we got the guys,
we got the coaches, No, we got airthing, we need
to training, training staff, everything that it takes for us
to be able to get to where we want to
get to.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But like I always said, we can't get to.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
Can't get too load.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
Just always standing in a moment and not looking too
far ahead, you know, because we know we got but
can stab of the fingers?
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Can I'll be going.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
I will say I love this confidence.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Right, every player, every team should go into the season
with that belief of, like, we got a chance to
win the Super Bowl, we have to get there. If
what's the point of playing the game? If that's not
your your main mindset and goal is to get to
the top of the mountain.
Speaker 11 (23:25):
Right.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But as we were talking about a little.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Bit ago, I think we need a little, a tiny
bit bigger sample size than four snaps of Aaron Rodgers
playing with the Jets, maybe even a full game.
Speaker 12 (23:40):
I like, I.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Appreciate the confidence because when a guy doesn't say that,
it's like, well then what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
But I yeah, to see Aaron Rodgers play in a full.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Game, maybe a couple games, maybe a month with the
Jets to then be like, okay, yeah it's here, they
got it.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
I know you're a.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
What would you call yourself a delusional Jets I'm not
you said you like I fell forward again, I don't
do it.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
We're going all the way?
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not trying to be a realist.
And you know the reality is they have an amazing roster.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean someone broke down by the positional groups and
the Jets apparently have the second best roster in the
league after the Niners. Now again, this guy, Mike Clay
at ESPN.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Booked down Jets Jets report.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
He's not a j he's just like a NFL guy,
and like there's reasons to be optimistic, like let's get
excited now. There was a great quote in there from
Soft Guarter, never get too high and never get too low.
You know, now that I live out here in California,
I heard this good surfing analogy where like, listen, most
of your life is spent in the water. There's gonna
be some big, scary waves.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Don't be terrified. There's gonna be some little waves. You're
gonna wait.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
But most of your life you're just spending time in
the water and it's pretty tranquil. But they're gonna be
highs and lows, and you cannot get impacted by the
lows like last year Rogers goes down or the highs
where they beat the Bills. When Rogers went down that game,
do you remember the punt return walk off I.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is gonna sound solusory. I don't mind have been
in this. So I had set up my phone in
front the TV.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You were gonna get video of me and my family
watching in overtime, and I have video.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I never posted it because I look.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like a bit of an ass clown and my kids
are like laughing at me. But I have the video
and like, I do that in big sports moments.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah, a lot of people do.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That's why you get into high I would get those
viral moments, but I mean the chets have been low
for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, over a decade. Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, So I'll give you those moments.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Yes, relish in this moment before the season starts now
because there's.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Hope, and then they go out opening weekend to stay
in fran twenty four to ten.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
No, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
It's gonna be tough, all right, Let's switch gears to
that UFL because they revealed the trophy that will be
given out so the first champion of the league this year.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
It was crafted by.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Designers at the Society Awards, and the league said the
trophy symbolizes it's a culmination of dedication perseverance and teamwork
that is the foundation of the UFL. This season's champion
will be crowned on June sixteenth. There are still two
weeks left of the regular season, but the playoff field
is already set. The Birmingham Stallions, the Michigan Panthers of
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Saint Louis BattleHawks, the San Antonio Brahmas will advance to
the playoffs and that's going to start Saturday, June eighth,
Sunday June ninth on Fox.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
And the Stallions apparently.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Are the team to beat. They're undefeated in the UFL
this season. They have won the last two championships in
the USFL. And we've seen a couple guys get an
opportunity and make their way over to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Cowboys picked up a couple.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Brandon Aubrey, their kicker was incredible, and then Cavante Turpin
also coming over to the NFL from the NFL.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So yeah, there might be keep it. Keep an eye
out on these guys.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
It should be exciting.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I like the trophy, the head on view. Have you
seen the movie Troy with Brad Pitt, Yeah, like a
while ago. It's a little old, amazing, very reachable, I
love it, but the trophy view from the head on
looks like the helmet that he wears.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
As a goose. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I mean I show my kids the scene where he
storms the beach with his crew and the speech that
he gives is.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
I can see it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It just looks tough. It looks like heavier.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yeah, it's different, neque.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, fun. All right, Alex with the news. Well that's
the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
All right, So coming up next, Oh boy, Minnesota last
night had the defensive Player of the Year. His name
is Rudy Gobert, and I thought Oneyama should have won
the award. So Rudy Gobert gets annihilated I'm just talking
eviscerated by Luca and the pick and roll and stan
(28:02):
Van Gunny on the on the telecast kept saying, you
can't play this drop coverage, you can't sag back, Luca's
gonna kill you. And they scored sixty two points in
the paint, sixty two against the defensive Player of the Year. Okay,
I know you can't redo the voting and get one
Minyama in there, but Minnesota's got to make some adjustments
to stop the Luca Doncis train, because folks, I'm just
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telling you they're in deep trouble.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
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Speaker 5 (29:17):
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Speaker 3 (29:36):
All right, So last night, Minnesota jumps to a lead
at the end of the first quarter.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They're leading at halftime.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I believe it was closed, maybe one point game heading
into the fourth, and then Luca took over with fifteen points.
And remember Minnesota had the best defense in the NBA
all season and they were powerless to stop Luca. Legend
unbelievable performance from Luka and Kyrie Irving. My guy gave
him a shout out in the first hour. Twenty four
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points in the first half for Kyrie. And listen, obviously
you start to break down some x's and o's. What
can Minnesota do differently to stop Luca and Kyrie? Short
answer is nothing. Hope they miss because guys, look at
all these highlights. Rudy Gobert is in the middle of
the lane in the pick and roll, and Luca's annihilating him.
Luca and Kyrie are unstoppable in the paint, and Rudy
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Gobert is no defensive Player of the Year. What can
they do to adjust? Well, there's a couple things. You
could blitz Luca just to get the ball out of
his hands, and hope the other guy's PJ Washington, who
missed all his threes except one late at PJ Washington,
Derek Lively, the young guy. Hope they make mistakes because
Luca's not. Maybe he has an off night shooting. Maybe
Kyrie has an off night. By the way, Kyrie one
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for nine in the second half. I think he was
zero for six in the fourth, so he slowed down
after the hot start. But we talked with Ryan Hollins,
former NBA center, earlier about possible defensive adjustments that Minnesota
could make.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But this is game one. One thing this is this
is chessnut checkers.
Speaker 11 (31:02):
PJ.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Washington, Okay and Jones Junior.
Speaker 11 (31:06):
They showed you, they showed Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
If you take away the lib we will hit the three.
Speaker 11 (31:12):
Let's see if you're in rhythm, because we kept you
Game one out of rhythm. Dallas only hit what six
or seven three pointers from the entire game, but they
got rimmed. Then the third adjustment. I think what you're
saying is you're gonna switch. And then this is where
Dallas becomes dangerous because you got go there or Nis
Reed or Kat Garden who Luca and Kyrie on the perimeter.
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So that's what makes it a dangerous and okay, see
was the biggest headache because they could do what they
could go out and switch. They were able to switch
with Dallas. So now you're in a situation where you
have to pick your poison.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Yeah, I'm looking at the box score. Are you ready
for this?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So Minnesota on three pointers eighteen to forty nine, eighteen
to forty nine for three, Dallas was six of twenty five.
That is a humongous advantage in threes made. So where
did dominate, Well, we're gonna dominate in the lane and
on the free throw line. Free throw line cost them
against OKC in one game free throw line last night
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they were sixteen to seventeen. Two key ones from Kyrie Lay.
Here's what I don't want to hear from Minnesota excuses
Anthony Edwards after the game. You know it's funny, Reggie Miller.
I think it was late third quarter was like Reggie Miller,
who I'm not a huge fan of an announcer. I
know he shouldn't blast him like that, but he blocked
me on Twitter Alex years ago. I mean, come on, Reggie. Anyways,
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So Reggie Miller's like, oh.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Anthony Edwards seems hurt.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's hurt looking, he's laboring, and then like two possessions later,
he's like, no, no, Anthony Edwards is just tired. He's
gassed from getting torched by Kyrie Irving. And so after
the game, Anthony Edwards gets to the podium and he's like,
shoulders slumped, not looking like the cocky, young, trash talking
dude that he really is. Here's Anthony Edwards after the loss.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
We came out flat today, I mean, and then we
found our energy. Then we went back to me in flat.
So I think it was just on us. Everything was
on us today. I didn't get down hal as much. Yeah,
just stuff like that. We was just a little tired.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Probably it didn't get downhill as much if you guys
were watching closely. And again, this was a great game.
Fourth quarter drama, back and forth. MAVs had a thirteen
nothing run and then Minnesota counter with a thirteen, one
of their own.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm just gonna say, Anthony Edwards, you're twenty two years old,
how are you tired? What?
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Twenty two and tired? That's an excuse, Like, give me
a break. He had zero two point baskets in the
second half.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
None. He didn't want to.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Drive inside and get a shot blocked. He settled for threes.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
But they took eighty nine shots in the game, forty
nine of them were threes. That's out of character. They
were the ones who were poor to adjust against the
Dallas defense, and folks, I like the MAVs in this series.
We'll talk maybe a little in the final hour about
Boston and Indiana Game two tonight.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Not as much juice in that series.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
As I told Alex earlier, I do have a men's
league game tonight, big one, big one, and I'm probably
gonna miss probably the first half. But don't worry if
you're not. I do have a recording capabilities on my
cable TV. I want to quickly pivot back to the
NFL for a moment.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We talked with Kerry Rhodes a little while ago about
Lamar Jackson. Kerry Rhodes went to Louisville, as did Lamar.
So Lamar Jackson's an interesting guy. He came into the league,
he was the last pick in the first round. He
didn't start for the first half of the season. Comes on,
it's basically a running quarterback, gets him to the playoffs,
and I memory serves they had a back to back
games against the Chargers like in the final week and
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he was good. And then in the playoff game and
they adjusted and totally shut him down. Lamar bounces back.
They end up getting the number one seed. He wins
an MVP. Last season, he wins another MVP and Lamar
craps the bed in the AFC Championship game at home,
no less against the Chiefs. Not nothing wrong with losing
to the eventual champs. But Lamar Jackson now is claiming
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he's lost another ten pounds. He's at his lowest playing
weight in the NFL, and he wants to be more agile.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And I'm sitting here, like, you know, if I can.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Be able to move around a little bit extra, that's off.
Speaker 12 (35:10):
Just ought can be more agile, be able to move more,
not to offend anyone, not like that.
Speaker 10 (35:15):
But yeah, we got the Patriott you know, we sacrifice
of our body each and every game.
Speaker 7 (35:20):
You know practices. So yeah, I believe we've read it
don't matter about the weight.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I'm are we buying this like a quarterback wants to
be skinnier and quicker so you can run more and
get hit more. This doesn't make sense. Cam Newton the
greatest running quarterback ever. I know he doesn't like me.
We had a little beef like six months ago. Whatever
it happens. You know, Kim Newton was thick, sturdy, probably
two forty Okay, Justin Herbert, big thick quarterback. Who are
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the small guys? Tua injured, Kyler Murray injured. I don't
understand why Lamar wants to lose weight and run more.
That's not a winning recipe in the NFL. To in
the NFL, you got to a stay healthy and be
win from the pocket. Sure, yes, scrambling matters. Patrick Mahomes
is the perfect example. He stays in the pocket, reads
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the defense, does it panic, but if he has to scramble.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
He'll run.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
That's what Lamar should be doing these design runs. I
don't know that that's a winning recipe. And you know
I asked carry roads earlier. Why on earth would Lamar
Jackson want to lose more weight.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Here's what Kerry Roads had to say.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
Once you get older, and he's not old, but once
you start to get older, he's taking some hits.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
You want to protect your joints.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
And you know a lot of times once you go
to the league, you think about, if you're a slight guy,
you need to gain weight, need to gain muscle. And
it is true for him in his position, all the
hits that he's taken, he needs to protect himself. But
you could also watch him last year and I saw
him at Louisville, and I saw how fast and how.
Speaker 7 (36:52):
Explosive and elusive he was. He's not that same guy
last year.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
He wasn't He could take a he can find a lane,
it can get fit twenty, but he's not out running
those guy. It's the same way that he was. So
I'm guessing he's looking for some more explosiveness in the
open field to be able to take at the distance.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So remember last year, the big storyline in Baltimore was
Lamar's got his best receiving group ever. They had Odell Beckham,
they drafted Zave Flowers, who was a revelation, except he
had a brutal AFC Championship game, and then they had
Rashad Bateman, their former first round pick. They had Mark Andrews. Now, yes,
you could argue Andrews got banged up and that hurt
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them late in the season, but he had his best
wide receiver room last year. He wins an MVP, and
he wants to lose more weight. I'm missing something, Alex.
I don't know what it. Maybe you're aware of what
I'm missing something. Maybe I have some tunnel vision here,
but I'm not understanding why Lamar Jackson is trying to
lose weight.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Where my mind initially goes is okay. Maybe he's working
with a nutritionist right because if you change your diet
you can start to lean out. Or maybe he's doing
more of or adding yoga to his workout. I know
a lot of athletes wants to get later in their career.
It stretches you out, it leans you out, but it
also strengthens, as I heard Kerry Road saying, your joints,
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your muscles, so you avoid those injuries later on in
your career. My dear friend Richard Jefferson, former NBA champion,
home of to yoga studio in Hermosa Beach towards the
end of his career, and he telled me it completely
changed his body, It changed his mindset. It was one
of the things that helped him to be able to
play later on in his career. And he gets Lebron
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James in there all the time, and all of these
athletes just rave about what it does to your body.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
But it does lean you out a bit. So I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
It could be one of those two things, like a
diet change, adding the stretching in the yoga to it
a little more. But whatever is going to work for
Lamar and make him feel the most confident on the field,
whatever that is.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
So do you ten pounds?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Do you remember last year?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
So Tua was coming off the concussions and in the
off season two was like, I'm doing jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
And he's falling. He needed to get better at falling.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
That made total sense, right, he was doing jiu jitsu
and something else he was working on so he could
absorb hits better or know how to fall instead of
getting ragdalled because he's kind of tiny. I understood that.
That made sense. I'm still your yoga example. By the way,
I do go there occasionally. R J.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I'm recruiting him to my men's league team. Don't tell anyone. Yeah,
he's such a nice guy, and yoga makes sense. You
want to be more number, but losing weight as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
I just even these guys like Bryce Young, right, we
saw the video after he was drafted. He's in the
huddle and he just looks super tiny and they pulled
him out of forth and short. Remember like the bush
push or whatever they call it in the brotherly shove.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
That till he was doing that.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, Carolina was going to try that and they
were like, oh, we can't use him, he's too small.
So they had to put in Andy Dalton and it
was like, we can't have a quarterback getting dinged up.
And Lamar's making it sound like I want to be
more agile. Now you could argue defensive ends are getting quicker.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
The MVP like he knows what it takes to win
and to be great and if he believes this is
what's going to help get him to that next lover
level over that playoff hump that he just can't seem
to get by. Patrick Mahomes like, you got to try
something right, because there aren't there aren't any more excuses.
And if if he thinks losing ten pounds is going
to make him quicker, faster and be able to do
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the things that he wasn't able to do, which is
get to a super Bowl and beat Patrick Mahomes in
the playoffs, then like maybe let's he's throwing stuff on
the wall and see what's sticking.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Yeah, it just it seems to me like a weird
adjustment after winning. And how could I get better after
winning an MVP? I don't know what a playoff game
Dak two and five in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
Maybe Lamara help him get there though.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Lamar two and four, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
All right, So tonight we have when we have Pacers
Celtics Game two. Yeah, Boston got lucky in Game one,
very lucky to pay that Pacers themselves. Yeah, yeah, big
line tonight. Is there any case or argument for the
for the Pacers to steal this one or no?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
I mean, after Game one, you gotta feel pretty confident
because going into this series, I thought it's gonna be
a cake walk for Boston and maybe not a cakewalk,
but an easy winnable series to get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, Pacers said no.
Speaker 5 (41:20):
I mean they they controlled a good chunk of that
game and then they they lost that game for themselves.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Indy, Indie blew it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
But you watched MAVs last night, Yeah, and then you
watch the Celtics the night prior, and I don't know
how you can't walk away saying the MAVs are the
best team left.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I'm sorry to Boston. I like them on.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You you have a you have a thing for the
MAVs though, So this is m.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I have a Luca affinity, you know, pre covid.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
I would go to some NBA games with a media
pass and I would stand on the court like a
big loser, like during the.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Warm ups in the arena.
Speaker 4 (41:52):
That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Well I think it's cool. Yeah, But like and Luca's
like basically where this chair is and I'm just watching him,
and I'm like, this guy's incredible. Makes it look so
because he's not fast as Ryan Holins.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Almost looks like he's playing in slow mo does. Sometimes
it's just dun dunk, gotcha, and.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Nobody can stop him.
Speaker 7 (42:10):
No.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Now, the complaining with the refs, I get that, but
I watched them close and I was like, I'm just
a huge fan and this guy's been unbelievable all.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
NBA playing injured.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, did you see the blood on his knee last
I'm like, this guy is a warrior. So anyways, I
like him a lot of you know, I used to
like Kyrie. I'm back on we have a rocky relationship.
I'm back on tokay with Kyrie. So I think the
Maps are the best team left. Celtics should win tonight
with ease, a couple of adjustments and they should win.
I'm not really I'm not going to give out a
(42:38):
nine point favorite, but I think Boston is that the
line I saw the line I saw now I haven't
seen in the last two hours. I can't go on
my phone during the show.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Good for you, Final Hour, You're learning, Final.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Hour coming up, very excited. The Power Hour is Kyrie
Irving all grown up and Aaron Rodgers Big year ahead.
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