June 2, 2025 • 42 mins
Has Shai Gilgeous-Alexander passed Luka Doncic?
Jason talks to NBA analyst Ric Bucher about the top 5 players in the NBA right now that don’t have a championship on their resume
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Our money guys coming up in a few minutes, rick Yucker.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Never miss it when Rick joins because we always spar
over stuff, and I'm sure he's gonna love the list
that I just.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Came up with. We'll talk about it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So obviously SGA and the Thunder going to the finals
against Haliburton and the Pacers.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
And we saw that over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring? And here's what Lebron
and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like there's plays and
passes that certain guys that in the league history have
ever been able to make. I mean, it's always his pace,
has always been his pace. And he's never ever been
on the floor where he's allowed someone to dictate where
they're gonna put him on the floor. It's always been
(02:00):
in the opposite, you know. And for us, we all
work on all of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hm, you know what this is leading up to, right people,
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny
come lately, this is not since he got to the Lakers.
But I'm a huge Luca fan, So I thought i'd
rank going from five to one the five best players
in the NBA without a ring. Now, this caused some
drama in the morning meeting, and I out of the
corner of my eye, I can see Rick Buker just like,
(02:27):
oh my gosh. So let's start with number five, fifth
best player right now in the NBA without a ring,
and that's got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He
is a phenomenal talent. He is emergis some of the
best point guards in the league. He's a you know,
sub six' three point, guard which some people think you
can't win.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
With And brunson only does his deliver.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Buckets, now why they didn't get by The. PACERS i
don't think it's fully On. Brunson obviously his defense was
not up to. Stuff but the fifth spot came down
to me For brunson Or, haliburton And i'm, SORRY i
Think brunson slightly better Than. Haliburton SO i Go brunson
at number, five the fourth best player in THE nba
without a.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Needing oh my, God Jay, Mack joel embiid it's so
much better Than Jimmy butler AND i almost like vomited
in my. Mouth come, on, Guys Jimmy butler as an
alpha led The Miami.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a. Superstar. NOW
i know he's getting up there an.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Agent he's not what he was three years, ago but
he is still a phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
TALENT i love The Jimmy butler. Story back to my radio.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Days Like Jimmy butler coming out of like living on
he was. CouchSurfing, okay had to like fax in his
resume to get.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Into college At.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot and he has
just become a star in THE.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
BUTLER i don't love he'll get a, title BUT i
have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Ring number. Three let's go to THE Mvp Shay Gildas.
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him at.
ONE i think SGA's a really good. Player obviously great.
Seasons he's on a really good. TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of, none because he's the master of the
mid range right. Now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right, favorite
the fifth biggest favorite.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
In like the last fifty years or.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
WHATEVER.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Sga third best player in the league without a. Ring
number Two Anthony. Edwards, YES i Believe Anthony edwards is
better Than Shay Gilges. Alexander, sorry he's, Younger he's got
a better offensive. Bag he's led the league in threes this.
Season he just doesn't have as good of a team As, Okay,
SEE i Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future
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faith of the league, stuff it's, legit.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Guys he's that, good now Is he a little goofy
off the court and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Not locked in and he loves a good ig baddie
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Laughing once he grows, up just antle.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Bit Anthony edwards is going to be the top player
in THE. Nba, now for the number one player in
THE nba without a, ring it's got to Be Luca
who's better Than, LUCA i have him right there in
The Jokich giannis class and my things.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
THAT i come back to all the. Time luca makes
everyone around him. Better he did it In.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around him.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Better That dallas, team it's not a great. Team look
at them this. Year what would they do this?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Year?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
NOW i Know kyrie GOT, herd but they had A
d and largely the same.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Guys That luca had that he put on his back
and got to the. Finals for, Me Luka donc is
the best player in THE nba without a ring and
without further. Ado let's welcome In Rick, Bucker Fox SPORTS nba. Analysts,
NOW i have great vision AND i could See rick
pacing turning, around throwing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
His hands in the. En oh my, gosh J, mack you're.
Crazy but much Work i've.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Been but what's? Work so little?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Time we made contact a couple of.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Times oh.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Chills over.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
There, Now ring you're doing your list as.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
Well, yes and don't pretend like you didn't see my.
LIST i haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
It they did tell, me and he could he could
be telling the.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Truth it's the same list starts sending out a bulgasy
list to the producer, early so you don't different.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Critic i'll guess your guy number one IS sga, right?
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Yes and by and how do you possibly Put Anthony
edwards ahead Of Shake Gildess alexander after what we just?
Witnessed how is that?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Possible, well it's not like they were playing one on one.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Rick they were both the leaders of their respective teams
and one guy got gentlemanly. Swept it was.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
M v Against Anthony. Edwards the Said Julius rendall take hold.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Because you know, what because he has no mid range.
Game if you Put Shake Gilds alexander, there the defense
isn't able to do the same, thing so they can
operate in more.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Places you want to go ahead to, Head, yes mid
range TO sg three point shooting To Anthony, edwards driving
to the. Rim Anthony edwards dunk on anybody and DEFENSE
i would go aunt OVER.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Sgg then why didn't he in?
Speaker 9 (07:08):
That?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Okay there's five guys in.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
L, Okay so if you don't have the mid, range
then you don't get the dunk as often and he
has to finish at the. Rim LOOK sga as far
as an offensive, bag it's not as dynamic as, ants
but it is more complete without, QUESTION i can Say
sga is a three level. Scorer aunt falling in love
(07:30):
with the three has changed that. Dramatically half of his
shots this year were from, three and yet he shot
the same number as he did the previous. Season where
did the shots come from his mid? Range he abandoned
it and that cost him in the. PLAYOFFS i blame,
analytics don't Blame Anthony. Edward so where do you Have
luke on the?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
List?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Uh, LUCA i BELIEVE i had, Second he's up. There
but but you're mixing the bag BECAUSE i also HAD
i Had aunt, fifth AND i Had Jimmy butler ahead of.
Him now we're just talking about pure. TALENT i don't
know that we can go. There But i'm looking at
A Jimmy, butler to your, point who led teams to
the finals. Twice like there's this this combination of guys
(08:11):
who are just purely talented who don't have a, ring
and guys who have demonstrated that they they're next in the,
line or they deserve a ring because they've come so
close and maybe they just didn't have the requisite team around.
Them But i'm not going to say that About, ANT i.
DON'T i don't BELIEVE I this is this is my
great issue is that when a player Like ant doesn't
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get to the finals or doesn't win a, ring we immediately, go, oh,
well he doesn't have enough. Help we need to get
more pieces around. Him It's Julius randall's. Fault it's it's
It's Chris pinch's, fault It's Mike conley's. Fault i'm, like,
no if you're that kind of, player And i'm looking
at the holes In Anthony edwards game first and, FOREMOST
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i want him to fill those holes and Then i'll
figure out the piece THAT i need around. Him because that's,
This This Minnesota timberwolves team was more talented than a
team that that got gentlemanly. Swept that's.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
FAIR i would push back and, Say aunt's.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Twenty, three AND i think keep saying, that so three
years AGO sga was in the playing and Meanwhile aunt
is taking his team to.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
The conference finals two years in a.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Row his team has, gone his team has gone to the,
final to the conference finals two years in a. Row That.
JULIUS i could make a case That Julius randall had
more to do with them getting there this year than Than.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Ante, Well julian did was unbelievably good until he.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Wasn't, yes. Understood. Yeah here's the other part IS i
keep first last year it was he's twenty. Two now
it's he's twenty. Three and when asked like did this
did this? Hurt did you? STRUGGLE i don't. Struggle i'm.
Good i'm gonna work hard this, summer But i'm good like.
That you like?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
THAT i did not love? That, okay some of the
for me.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Either because you the clock is ticking like and if
you look at guys Like tracy, McGrady Penny, hardaway there's
any number of guys that were great early. On Penny
hardaway went to the finals his second, year he Was
ALL Nba First team two years in a. Row tracy
McGrady same thing was like a third or fourth year
(10:19):
was was was ALL nba and getting SOME mvp. Accolades
BEFORE i take that, back that was With, penny With
shack Leaving. Orlandia but those guys were like when we
looked at them early in their first three four, years we're, like,
(10:40):
oh these guys are playing for, championship, right these guys
are going to be all time, greats and they hit
their zenith in those first four or five. Years that's
more the rule than the exception in terms of guys
winning a. Ring, LIKE i think it's a foregone conclusion
a lot of people's minds, that including, ants That ant
is gonna WIN mvp at some, point and he's gonna
(11:03):
win a ring at some point, Probably. Right The Minnesota
timberwolves had the most expensive roster in the league this, year,
Right and if we look at some of the guards
and some of the players early on that, won it's
because they had guys on their team that were really
good who were, underpaid like The Minnesota timberwolves are not, there,
(11:25):
Right so is it gonna happen in the next year or? Two, No,
well then now we're getting to twenty, seven twenty eight
and having to remake The timberwolves around. Him i'm JUST
i think there's this foregone conclusion About aunt THAT i
wouldn't necessarily buy.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Into AS i hear you explain, THAT i was just
thinking to the Guy Lebron james in what, year three
years something With cleveland goes to the, finals can't get back,
there says, Guys i'm Out durana and.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
O'kes they get to.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The, finals young, GUYS i have to go someplace, olf,
Right so Is minnesota gonna do it In? Minnesota Anthony
edward's gonna do it In? Minnesota probably.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Not and here's the flip side of. That when you
look at the guys that are there right, NOW sga
And Tyrese, haliburton what do they have in? Common this
isn't their first, Team this isn't their first. Team and
there were doubts about both of them at various, points
like how good can they? Be can they be the
leader of a championship. Team we haven't had anybody express
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that doubt About Aunt. Edwards AND i believe that you're
taking away the motivation of a, player the urgency of
a player to, say you know, WHAT i want to
prove you. Wrong nobody's Saying aunt has to prove them.
Wrong everybody's still giving him flowers in spite of the
fact that if you look at the last Two Western conference,
finals yes did they get, There, sure but he was
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outplayed by another, Star Luka doncis last year AND sga this.
Year and yet there still seems to be no urgency
or a feeling, like, Hey, ann you're like you need
to pick it. Up and if you're going to get,
THERE i don't know what more he could do. You but,
anyways let's let's move on to The. KNICKS i just
the post mortem we Had frank guy so.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Long i'm. Pledging, hey let's take a deep.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Breath last, year The pacers were swept by The Celtics conference.
Finals they make zero changes to their top, eight and
they're in THE Nba. FINALS i Know i've been, like,
hey maybe we Dumped. THIBODEAU i know there's This gianni's.
Chase i'm actually preaching some Patient, rick AND i think
The knicks can run it.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Back are you?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
OKAY i, know Irrational New yorker over, Here, no you?
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Are you are being incredibly. Rational i've Never i've never
Heard wow be this? Rational, Okay and you're usually the
we're gonna move the coach like always, right and they
blow it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Up get rid of. THEM i had a boozy. Weekend
plays some, basketball you, know like you get your mind.
CLEARED i came in this. MORNING i, said.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Guys were stamp Pat, yeah AND i think they can
get to THE nba. Finals ate they weren't four off this.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Year, no they. Weren't the issue is, like, ideally if
you're going to play for a, championship they need a
true two way, big like right now they have Like
Mitchell robinson's on the. Floor, defensively they're a different, team
but now they're a different team offensively as. Well, Offensively
kat gave you a. Lot let's not under sell what
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he did for the better part of the. Playoffs but
if you're going to be built around a point, guard
And i'd look at the two thousand and Four Detroit
pistons winning a championship and the twenty twenty Two Golden State,
warriors you have to have like the perfect pieces and
a lot of talent around that. Guard if you look
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at the numbers, alone What Jalen brunson did this year
in the regular season and in the players playoffs mirror
What Steph curry did in twenty twenty, two both regular
season and. Playoffs but What steph had was he Had
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Andrew wiggins playing, almost, yeah almost better Than Draymond green
as a defensive player and a true was a two
way impact. Player you Had Draymond green still playing. Well
you Had Klay thompson have his moments you Had Jordan,
poole like you had all the pieces that allowed to
that covered the blemishes Of steph and allowed him to
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maximize what he. Is that's what The knicks, need AND
i don't know that they have it right. Now but
to your, point, like unless there was a clear CUT
i can get this thing that makes a. Difference i'm
standing packed.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Let, me can they Get? GIANNIS i don't. See it
just doesn't seem feasible given the. Pick they don't have that.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
Anything, Yeah I've i've been asking about that BECAUSE i
mean the. Teams There's, Houston, yeah There's.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Brooklyn give up a, lot but he's not Going, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Toronto's going to make a run at, him BUT i
don't know that that's going to. Happen but those two
teams in, particular have the assets That milwaukee would want
assets The. SPURS i would add The spurs in the
equation to those three.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Teams it's, Tough, Okay so let's downshift To Kevin.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Durant, yeah turn thirty seven In. September, Rick, Yeah i'm
a HUGE kd, Fan but is he that much of
an upgrade For? Kat and doesn't he shrink your window
from like maybe the next three years to, like you
better win this year Because kd's hurt all the.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Time, Yeah i'd say he's an. UPGRADE i mean the
tricky part is are you just getting him as a
one year rental or is he going to sign an?
Extension do you want to sign him to? Extension what
does that extension look? Like there's a lot of tricky
parts to. That to your, point because Of kd's age
and where he, is the one, year the one year
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deal for a team that's looking for cap, space that
may be. STUCK i mean that's Where minnesota is kind of.
Attractive but the problem is is that you'd have to
give up multiple. Pieces it's Not Julius randall For Kevin,
Durant Julius randall And jane, McDaniels Or Julius randall And
Rob dillingham And Mike connley when so that's where it becomes.
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Difficult it's IT'S i had somebody this morning Suggests atlanta
asked for kat just because they have the, assets AND
i was. Thinking my first reaction, was, Oh katie's kind
of finished his career In.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Atlanta that's Like Patrick ewing wearing A sonics jersey or,
yeah it's a one for the raptors or something.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Silly you don't want to see.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Them not very.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Attractive but, No katie's going to be.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Difficult all, right let's go to the Actually Eastern Conference finals.
Voting did you have an issue with The siakam Five halliburton?
Four AND i will just breface. This the media votes
on this. Stuff, yes, right, yes we know the. Media
they do some dumb. Things obviously ALL nba. Voting, well,
anyways did you have a major issue with?
Speaker 8 (17:58):
IT i really. Don't first of, all it was five to. Four,
yeah so it's like there's like one swing, vote, right
AND i can make a case for either. Guy, Yeah Pascal.
Siakam if you look at the if you take in
to account the defensive end of the, FLOOR i mean
The knicks were Hunting Tyrese haliburton at, Times Pascal siakam
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winning his battle being the best big on the. Floor
it was the difference. Maker and then when you look
in terms of key, baskets he didn't. Have he didn't
have the highlight moments That haliburton. Had but the WAY
i described it, Was Pascal siakam was the engine And
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Tyrese haliburton was the, driver like he got everybody. Involved you,
know he obviously assists were through the, roof But Pascal
siakam was getting to the free throw. Line he was
getting The nixon foul. Trouble and you know in those
situations where they absolutely needed a, bucket they could hand
him the ball and he would go get.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It it's.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Weird it felt Like Jalen brown Over jason tit them last.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Year, yeah not unlike. THAT i was also, thinking like
the kind of The Iguadala Steph, Curry Oh, FINALS Mvp
FINALS mvp annoyed.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Me such A curry. DEFENDER i would go online and
battle these.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Moress like you, said the media doesn't always get it,
right BUT i don't think that they got it perversely.
Wrong this was it that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Egregious now let me ask you about the. Finals i've
been workshopping this. TAKE i was gonna save it from
midweek when things are. SLOW i don't, Know.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Rick this whole finals battle, Right.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's it's a good matchup of. TEAMS nba diehards will love,
it casuals probably will. Not i'm of the belief That
indiana is going to give them a much closer series
than the. Experts think everybody's, saying, oh this is, Okay
so he's just a Juggernaut. Indy everything THAT okc does really,
well so Does. Indiana they've got the, bench they play
with pace and. Tempo halliburton led the league and assist turnover.
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RATIO i, mean at one point in the next, series
he had like four turnovers in five.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Games like it's one way that that's one way to
look at. IT a lot of people are looking at
all the things That indiana, Does, okay see does and
they just do it, better right except for one. Thing
And i'd say there's two factors Where i'm with. You
i'm not gonna say it's going to be a great.
SERIES i think that The pacers have a chance to
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make it an interesting series in terms of pushing it to,
six maybe even.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Seven AND i love.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
THAT i don't see them winning, it BUT i see
them making a. Contest and for two. Reasons number, one
they have shot the ball from three point range lights,
out and they've done it. Collectively LIKE i think LEAST i,
checked they were shooting like forty percent in the playoffs
as a. Team that's, insane that, is and that's that's
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much much better Than okac. Does and as we, know
the three point shot can have a huge influence on
flipping The, cavs flipping the odds. Exactly the other part
Is Rick carlisle And Pascal. SAKA i have two guys
who know what it takes to win a, championship who
have been to the. Finals AND i look at THE
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i look at The, thunder and you Have Alex, CARUSO i,
believe who won in the. Bubble. Yeah and other than,
that brand New Rick carlo has been to the finals six.
Times he took A Dallas mavericks team that was probably
as underrated and looked past in the finals versus The Miami,
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heat as This pacers team is against The Oklahoma City.
Thunder SO i believe that The carlisle is gonna have
a few things up his. SLEEVE i love.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That and by the, way. Nemhard you see he's making
two million dollars this. Year, yeah starting point, guard who's.
GOOD i still remember. This nobody remember, this but his
final college GAME.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I think it was With. Chet he shot like two of.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Eleven he was a train wreck and they lost his
big Favorites And i'm, like this guy's not a. Pro
he was terrible Against. Arkansas nemart has been. Phenomenal he's
a good basketball. Player and at two million dollars in the,
finals that's how You're that's how you're.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Here and that's how you get to finals to you,
know going back to the Whole minnesota point is that
you Have you, know when The warriors were making their,
runs they were Paying steph eleven million. Dollars, yeah, yeah
he signed the four, year forty four million dollar. Deal you,
need especially in TODAY'S, nba you need a couple of
guys who haven't been paid Yet Jordan poole And Andrew
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wiggins in twenty twenty, two like guys that are playing
for the bag and and The minnesota Timber wolves don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That so let me just did the whole small market
super team. Stuff the super.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Team ara's, over, sadly BUT i need to remind Pebble
rick Like, lebron The lebron we know now before he
got to the heat and started, that he was like
second banana To kobe And shaq and The. Celtics he
wasn't the Polarized oh my, GOSH i can't stay On.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Lebron he wasn't that until he went to The.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Heat, yeah and SO i just wonder some of these
young stars they're not, polarizing and if you don't have
that lover, hate it's just, like, oh we've got The
pacers In thunder in the.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Finals.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah AND i know THE nba doesn't want that because
the owners want everybody to have a, chance BUT i
feel like if you don't have, that it's not going
to be great for the. LEAGUE i don't, know that's
kind of like a big picture. THING i don't know
how you've solved, that but there isn't really anybody at
THE nba right now that you feel strongly about one
way of the.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Right, no it has to happen. Organically and to your,
POINT i don't know who that is that's out there
right now that we feel that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Way, Well jannis could be the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Lynchpin people are not gonna like it if he goes
to a good, team LIKE kd went to The. Warriors
instantly everybody hated, him But rick you had to, watch,
yeah or rearranging your your anniversary dinners Around Kevin durant
Versus lebron you know all that kind of.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Sure and IF kd goes to a, contender that would
stir the pot as. Well, Yes, look the league is
taking a very different approach to the way it traditionally
approach things, is which is it's taking a global, view
AND i think in part it's plaining to the fact
that it's best players are international players and that the
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domestic market is basically, saturated like how much how much
more are you going to get out of out of
the domestic. Market but they look globally and they're, Thinking,
okay we have international. Stars it's why they're talking about
starting in A european division as much as as as you,
know getting expansion teams In Las vegas And, seattle you
(24:36):
hear as much about A european division as you hear about.
Those in, fact those those, moves WHICH i still think
are going to, happen are sort of have been. Forgotten
SO i believe that they're looking, at you know, what
we want to attract an audience that's going to buy
jerseys and is going to stream games and is going
to you, know be, fans and we don't need, like
(24:59):
we don't have to cut through the. Mainstream have stars
that are going to cut through the mainstream in THE,
us because you, know the people In serbia are going
to go crazy for The Denver, nuggets, right and maybe
you capture a bigger part of The canadian market With
Shake Hilles. ALEXANDER i think that they're looking at. Globally
(25:21):
we have attractions that other leagues don't and that's our sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Start so we'll wrap up with This cooper.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Flag Carmelo anthony had some quotes and it's interesting you
just mentioned domestic international AND i don't want to Say
carmelo was bashing, him but he was basically, saying like
he's not great at, Anything he's a good, player does.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Everything, well, yeah there's a.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
World Jeff tigue last week was LIKE sga saved THE
nba with the mid. RANGE i was, like, EH i
honestly Think cooper flag. DOMESTICALLY i know people an't going
to want to hear. This he can be a savior of.
Sorts And i'm sorry to bring up, race but he's
a white guy who can maybe dominate in a league
where there hasn't been a dominant white guy in a long.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Time, yeah you, know it's. FUNNY i look at like
a Chet holme grin and A cooper flag AND i
AND i and it's then they sort of shift my
view of where we are as far as Our american
born players and our ability to compete. Internationally LIKE i
think If Anthony edwards continues to, evolve and you have
A Cooper flag and you have a Chet Holme, gren
(26:21):
we have a chance to still be all. Right france
isn't going to take over over just quite. Yet BUT
I i you, KNOW i Hear carmelo BECAUSE i think
one of the dangers is when we have somebody who's
who's taken number, one we immediately expect them to be a. Superstar,
yes AND i don't. KNOW i Think Cooper flag could
be a really good player for a really, long, good,
(26:42):
good really long, time BUT i don't know that he's Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Okay, well wait to find.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Superstar Was lebron a superstar right out of the gate averaging
like twenty three as a?
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Rookie he had he had the earmarks of.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It, okay what About zion first? YEAR i know he's
heard and blah blah, blah but, No.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Zion it's a classic example of somebody that we anointed
way too early and making The Anthony edwards, comparison Like
zion was supposed to be the next, whatever like from
the gate and even Even lebron like until he lost
(27:21):
and everybody started to, say, well maybe he's not a.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Champion is that The dallas series.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
That forced him to no, no, no, no, no that forced
him to go To miami to get out Of? Cleveland?
Right super teams? Healthy right, Right like he finally had To,
hey you got to put up or shut? Up like
we kept making excuses For, zion always heard if he
could just stay, Healthy i'm.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Done, Yeah by the, way is he moving the?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Summer is he going? ANYWHERE i don't know what the
market is For. ZION i DON'T i don't know that
he's going. Anywhere but he's got bigger.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Issues oh that's, Right, yeah yeah he, does all. Right final,
one we haven't Mentioned Ja moran in a couple of.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Years, yeah next couple of, years.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That something's going on In.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
MEMPHIS i keep hearing This Jaron jackson stuff and then there's,
hey maybe we just move on From joss start, over.
Reboot any thoughts On jommerate because, he for like seven,
minutes was.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Going to be the future of THE.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Nba, yeah, WELL i don't think he gets back there.
NOW i think there's just there's too much water under the.
BRIDGE i could he be? Moved, man that's The it's
as difficult As minnesota moving In Anthony. Vans you don't
get stars like that in markets like that unless you.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
DRAFT i, MEAN i just think Of luca got moved
and nobody thought that was.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
Coming, yeah that's an exception rather than the.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Rule, yeah all, Right Rick, BUKER i mean look at.
That that's like twenty great minutes with a guy who.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
We actually there was a couple of. Things we had
some patico on and you were like you were rational
and sober at one.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Point this was a good. Session there have to be
so it.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Was J, mac this was this WAS i enjoyed. This
thanks so. Much tell me may even come.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Back, WOH i love it all, Right, rick youger great
Stuff coming up, Next Alex curry will tell us Why
Matt lafleur had to defend his STARK Qb jordan love
over the.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
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Speaker 3 (29:15):
Pacific great stuff from Rick yucker and now more great
Stuff Alex curry with.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
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Speaker 8 (29:27):
News All, right.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
We're gonna start in THE.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Nfl Jordan love and The packers finished third in THE
Nfc north last year and had an up and down
year in his second. Year starting going into year, three
his head coach mot Let floor says he doesn't believe
That love took a step back last.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
Year three games is significant amount of time and you're
going to be a little Bit you're not going to
produce as much from a numbers, perspective if but from
What i've, seen you, know and then ALSO i think
there was let's be, HONEST i mean when we talked about,
this we did have a lot of last.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Year The packers had the third most drops in THE
nfl last. Year but according To Matt, lafleur not On Jordan.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Love.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Now they did draft a wide receiver in the first
round for the first time in twenty three, years so they,
addressed you, know what they think might be the.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Issue but, again LIKE Nfc north is a tough.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Division lions obviously losing a lot of their, coordinators that's
going to be. Difficult vikings now going with rookie QUARTERBACK
jj McCarthy is going to be a little different.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
So packers And Jordan love like have a.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Chance to be competitive once again in THE Nfc.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
North but do you think he played well last? Year
Jordan love not.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Particularly so here's what the key missed two, games he
had some. Injury, yeah so he wasn't as. Mobile the
key number here is the. Interception So alex he threw
one hundred and fifty fewer passes and had the same
number of. Interceptions not, great and his touchdowns were significantly. Down,
again he missed time due to. Injuries he wasn't as.
(31:06):
Healthy started in the open, remember returned his. Ankle, YEAH
i think it was on the last.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Play of the.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Game, again so he was injured to start the. Season
good chunk of the.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Season, also DO i like the fact that your head
coach is defending and supporting your, Quarterback like that's that's
a good sign.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
For Jordan love and mount the.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Floor, yeah, listen he didn't drop.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Significantly BUT i think people expect young quarterbacks to make
a linear.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Progression good one, Year hey.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
We were great in the.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Playoffs let's go let's make it the next.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Step and, yeah you're also Following Aaron rodgers who won
a bunch of MVPs and you know that The packers
have for some, reason have always figured out their quarterbacks
like one after the.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Net so there's a lot of pressure On Jordan. Love
BUT i think he's going.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
To be just.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
FINE i don't know IF i agree with you.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
There all, Right well let's move to another team in the.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Division New lions QUARTERBACK Dj reid came over from The
jets last season after spending three seasons In New, york
And reid says he noticed a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Immediately does the energy difference immediately?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Notable, Gear, yeah for, Sure LIKE i needed to go
through WHAT i went through In New, york And i'm
grateful THAT i went through.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
It.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Now that's the difference between a team with championship aspirations The,
lions versus a rebuilding team when he was on The,
jets and a functioning franchise like The lions against a
dysfunctional situation when he.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Was there with The.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Jets because he was there the last three seasons like they.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Had he was.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Great but now he's on a team that is a complete.
Team he has the talent around. Him it's a completely
different scenario for.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
He AND i don't have exact numbers on, this BECAUSE
i don't know if you could find, me BUT i
Know Sauce garden was their number one With New.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
York, yeah so he was facing a lot of number two.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Receivers, yeah he goes To, detroit he's the number one. Cornerback,
yeah now you're facing the elite stars every. Week and
opposite him Is Terry On, arnold the young kid Out
obama who really, struggled grated out of one hundred and
ninety out of one hundred and sixteen. Corners so it's, like,
hey why would we even TARGET Dj.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Read we're gonna be throwing At. Arnold, YEAH i think
he's gonna be a little tough one For. Read the.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Transition, yeah and they're not as great of a pass
rush In detroit as you.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Had In New.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
York could be an Alarming but The lions have a
lot going, on AS i, think a.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Lot of story that we're saving that for it a,
bit but, yeah, yeah, yeah they have.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
The lines of a lot of, going a lot of, changes.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Not a great not a lot of great stuff, either.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not a lot of. Good they're losing a lot of.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Guys we'll get to that in a. Bit it's not
our third story this. Hour but let's move To New
york and talk about your knicks, again because it was
all good.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
In New york just a round.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Ago, now after The pacers bounced them in the conference,
finals a report came out after saying teammates were growing
frustrated With Karl Anthony towns and his effort on the
defensive side of the ball this. Season BUT i, MEAN
i don't think that's a. Surprise we all saw. It
we heard the broadcast talking about. It cat mentioned he
needed to be better in his postgame. Interviews but at this,
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point you, know how do you work with what you? Have,
like he is who he. Is he's twenty nine years,
old he's their highest paid player on the team and
will be for a. Bit so do you just kind
of adjust around? Him do you play through him more
and make them more of an offensive? Weapon so maybe
that kind of balance is out the defensive defense that he,
has you trade him for someone with better, Defense, like
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there's a lot of questions you just you.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Kind of have to work with.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Him and as you, mentioned you're not going to break
up the whole. System it's just how do you how
do you kind of adjust? It they don't need a full.
Facelift they need just kind of touch.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Ups this is a really there's no easy. Answer there
are a lot of. Questions as you, said, yeah no easy.
ANSWER i use the word at the phrase space. CADET
i don't know if that's. Accurate but he just Do
his rotations are. Curious it's, like, dude if this, happens
you've got to do.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
This and he never does.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That AND i some of these FOULS i think you
said the post, game was It.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Barkley who just said you can't be doing what's with
these dumb? Fouls you can't be doing. This he's, LIKE i,
KNOW i, know and he just.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Can't he looked at Like sparkley was LIKE i, KNOW i.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
SHOULDN'T i, know didn't. STOP i don't. KNOW i mean
At tim's he's the defensive. Guy, yes he can't get
the guy locked.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
In it's just who he.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Is if this git's, tough, LISTEN i, like town got
some relatives In New. Jersey, Yeah towns's father just moved
around the corner from, them so they're texting, Me.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Hey carl Anthink towns his dad lives. Near SO i was, like,
great can you Tell kat to lock it? Up but
when he's.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Good he's. Great you, know it's just are you gonna
get that? Consistently he's.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Good he's the one piece that knicks fans.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Really and this article that you bring, up, YEAH i
was ready to get during the commercial it say yeah.
ALL i mean it's like every finger is pointing at, him, like,
bro like that would be your link.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
HERE i don't, KNOW i, LIKE i.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Like he's also the most expensive guy on The Rockstar.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Alex curry at the.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
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Week the bad news is he's not there this. Week
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Speaker 3 (37:45):
RIGHT i love when we do like peaks behind the
curtain of what's going. On you, know there's a quarterback who's,
unsigned who's old and ornery and.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Played for My jets last. YEAR i don't like talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Anymore but the staff hit me with a, hey this is, interesting, like,
no we're not doing that guy All, Monday we're.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Not i'm not talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It and another like kind of no fly zone has
been The. Cowboys but this next STORY i found interesting.
Enough and It's Michael. Parsons, okay he's not At OTA's this.
Week it's not the end of the, world, right he
was there last. Week showing up immediately sees the new
Code schottenheimer blah blah.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Blah he still doesn't have a. Contract.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay and WHEN i was a, KID i would you,
KNOW i was one of these procrastinators when it came to, school, where,
oh that project's due next, Week i'll do it.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Later and my parents would, say so the, project are
you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It And i'll be, like, no, NO i gotta do
this that and the. OTHER i gotta work on my,
shot you, know playing, GOLF i would JUST i would
procrastinate And i'd never want to do, it and my
parents would always, say, well.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
The exact saying, was don't save.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
For, tomorrow which you can get out of the way,
today AND i would just be like you old people
don't know what you're talking.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
About i'm gonna do. Me and usually it blew up
in my. FACE i didn't get great. Grade. Shocker don't
tell my kids, That BUT i.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
WAS i was a, procrastinator and for some reason that
still is, Unexplained Jerry jones continues to procrastinate when it
comes to paying his. Players he waited to Pay dak
and it blew up in his, face and Now dak
is the highest paid quarterback in the.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
League, dak Who Pro Football focused last week, said WAS
i think seventeenth or.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Something now he's not. Seventeen he's probably closer to ten or.
Twelve but, Basically Jerry jones screwed it. Up so Then
jerry also procrastinate it With Ceedee lamb and how'd that work?
Out he's not a top three receiver in the. LEAGUE
i sorry he's. Not he's paid like. One and now
we Have Michael, parsons And Michael parsons is a podcast,
guy so he's stirring up. Stuff he's on social. Media
(39:53):
did you see what he did over the? Weekend so you,
know there's some random video Of Michael parson's running back
highlights from his senior year in high. School maybe he
can help The cowboys running back, room which is kind
of futrid probably bottom five running back. Room and of
Course Michael parsons repops it and he's, like, yeah ever
ten yards of? CARRY i, mean he looks Like Derrick
(40:14):
henry does in THE. Nfl Michael parsons looked like that
in high. School he get like twenty seven. Touchdowns So
Michael parsons is essentially using every avenue he, can his,
podcast social media to cryptically send messages To Jerry jones Of.
Dallas jerry's gonna sign, him but he's gonna wait and.
Wait and for the longest, TIME i, thought, oh this
(40:34):
is dressed strategy By jerry because he wants to Keep
dallas's name out there in the.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Ether people are always.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Talking about The, cowboys even though they're Not america's team.
Anymore people are always talking About. Dallas but once again
it's blowing up in his. Face we Saw Miles garrett
reset the market. Recently, well If jerry had just Signed
micah last, season before our last, offseason he wouldn't be
dealing with this. Nonsense micah's not gonna play for anything
(41:04):
less Than Miles. Garrett so now you're paying. More so
you paid more For, dak more For, lamb and now
you gotta pay more For. Parsons and some of these
numbers that the salary cap guys are crunching is basically
saying those three guys are chewing up like all of
the money For. Dallas AND i don't, know, Guys i'm
at the point WHERE i don't know what else you
(41:28):
can say To Jerry. Joes he doesn't get, it he doesn't.
Care nobody can get in his ear and stop him from,
doing you, know dumb things to The dallas salary. Cap
they had a good run under, McCarthy that's. Over it
really feels Like dallas is going. Nowhere And i've said
for the longest, time Like Michael, parsons he's had twelve
(41:51):
or more sacks in each of his first four.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Years that's, great that's historic. Territory it's like What Reggie
white was. Doing and now you're gonna pay him. More
mine need The Miles.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Garrett She you're essentially gonna have one defensive, player a,
quarterback at a receiver and nothing. Else So Jerry, JONES
i don't know what to tell, you my, guy but
we have now reached our quota Of Dallas cowboy stories
for the week and It's.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Monday nice, Job Jerry.
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Came up with. We'll talk about it right now.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
So obviously SGA and the Thunder going to the finals
against Haliburton and the Pacers.
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And we saw that over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Lebron did a podcast with Luka Doncic along with Steve Nash,
and they were talking about Luca's style, and I said,
why don't we do a list the top five players
in the NBA without a ring? And here's what Lebron
and Luca talked about that got me to that point.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 7 (01:39):
Obviously, we've seen throughout his career, like there's plays and
passes that certain guys that in the league history have
ever been able to make. I mean, it's always his pace,
has always been his pace. And he's never ever been
on the floor where he's allowed someone to dictate where
they're gonna put him on the floor. It's always been
(02:00):
in the opposite, you know. And for us, we all
work on all of that. We just got to stay ready.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Hm, you know what this is leading up to, right people,
I'm a Luca guy, and this is not just Johnny
come lately, this is not since he got to the Lakers.
But I'm a huge Luca fan, So I thought i'd
rank going from five to one the five best players
in the NBA without a ring. Now, this caused some
drama in the morning meeting, and I out of the
corner of my eye, I can see Rick Buker just like,
(02:27):
oh my gosh. So let's start with number five, fifth
best player right now in the NBA without a ring,
and that's got to be my guy, Jalen Brunson. He
is a phenomenal talent. He is emergis some of the
best point guards in the league. He's a you know,
sub six' three point, guard which some people think you
can't win.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
With And brunson only does his deliver.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Buckets, now why they didn't get by The. PACERS i
don't think it's fully On. Brunson obviously his defense was
not up to. Stuff but the fifth spot came down
to me For brunson Or, haliburton And i'm, SORRY i
Think brunson slightly better Than. Haliburton SO i Go brunson
at number, five the fourth best player in THE nba
without a.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Ring here we go a little bit of a. Curveball Jimmy. Butler,
now somebody tried to tell me in the morning.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Needing oh my, God Jay, Mack joel embiid it's so
much better Than Jimmy butler AND i almost like vomited
in my. Mouth come, on, Guys Jimmy butler as an
alpha led The Miami.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Heat to the championship. Twice, okay that's a. Superstar. NOW
i know he's getting up there an.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Agent he's not what he was three years, ago but
he is still a phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
TALENT i love The Jimmy butler. Story back to my radio.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Days Like Jimmy butler coming out of like living on
he was. CouchSurfing, okay had to like fax in his
resume to get.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Into college At.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Marquette like this guy was interrupt spot and he has
just become a star in THE.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
NBA i love everything About Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
BUTLER i don't love he'll get a, title BUT i
have his fourth best player in the league without a.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Ring number. Three let's go to THE Mvp Shay Gildas.
ALEXANDER i have a Feeling rick's gonna have him at.
ONE i think SGA's a really good. Player obviously great.
Seasons he's on a really good. TEAM sga does everything.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Well i'm not gonna say he's a jack of all,
trades master of, none because he's the master of the
mid range right. Now he just gets buckets at the mid.
Range probably gonna get his title this, year right, favorite
the fifth biggest favorite.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
In like the last fifty years or.
Speaker 8 (04:21):
WHATEVER.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Sga third best player in the league without a. Ring
number Two Anthony. Edwards, YES i Believe Anthony edwards is
better Than Shay Gilges. Alexander, sorry he's, Younger he's got
a better offensive. Bag he's led the league in threes this.
Season he just doesn't have as good of a team As, Okay,
SEE i Think Anthony edwards is. Phenomenal all this future
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faith of the league, stuff it's, legit.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Guys he's that, good now Is he a little goofy
off the court and sometimes.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Not locked in and he loves a good ig baddie
who does? It but Once Anthony edwards grows up just
a little, bit alex stop.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Laughing once he grows, up just antle.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Bit Anthony edwards is going to be the top player
in THE. Nba, now for the number one player in
THE nba without a, ring it's got to Be Luca
who's better Than, LUCA i have him right there in
The Jokich giannis class and my things.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
THAT i come back to all the. Time luca makes
everyone around him. Better he did it In.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Dallas they got to the finals last year because he
made everyone around him.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Better That dallas, team it's not a great. Team look
at them this. Year what would they do this?
Speaker 8 (05:29):
Year?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
NOW i Know kyrie GOT, herd but they had A
d and largely the same.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Guys That luca had that he put on his back
and got to the. Finals for, Me Luka donc is
the best player in THE nba without a ring and
without further. Ado let's welcome In Rick, Bucker Fox SPORTS nba. Analysts,
NOW i have great vision AND i could See rick
pacing turning, around throwing.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
His hands in the. En oh my, gosh J, mack you're.
Crazy but much Work i've.
Speaker 8 (05:57):
Been but what's? Work so little?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Time we made contact a couple of.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
Times oh.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Chills over.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
There, Now ring you're doing your list as.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
Well, yes and don't pretend like you didn't see my.
LIST i haven't seen.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
It they did tell, me and he could he could
be telling the.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Truth it's the same list starts sending out a bulgasy
list to the producer, early so you don't different.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Critic i'll guess your guy number one IS sga, right?
Speaker 8 (06:26):
Yes and by and how do you possibly Put Anthony
edwards ahead Of Shake Gildess alexander after what we just?
Witnessed how is that?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Possible, well it's not like they were playing one on one.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Rick they were both the leaders of their respective teams
and one guy got gentlemanly. Swept it was.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
M v Against Anthony. Edwards the Said Julius rendall take hold.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
Because you know, what because he has no mid range.
Game if you Put Shake Gilds alexander, there the defense
isn't able to do the same, thing so they can
operate in more.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Places you want to go ahead to, Head, yes mid
range TO sg three point shooting To Anthony, edwards driving
to the. Rim Anthony edwards dunk on anybody and DEFENSE
i would go aunt OVER.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Sgg then why didn't he in?
Speaker 9 (07:08):
That?
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Okay there's five guys in.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
L, Okay so if you don't have the mid, range
then you don't get the dunk as often and he
has to finish at the. Rim LOOK sga as far
as an offensive, bag it's not as dynamic as, ants
but it is more complete without, QUESTION i can Say
sga is a three level. Scorer aunt falling in love
(07:30):
with the three has changed that. Dramatically half of his
shots this year were from, three and yet he shot
the same number as he did the previous. Season where
did the shots come from his mid? Range he abandoned
it and that cost him in the. PLAYOFFS i blame,
analytics don't Blame Anthony. Edward so where do you Have
luke on the?
Speaker 4 (07:47):
List?
Speaker 8 (07:48):
Uh, LUCA i BELIEVE i had, Second he's up. There
but but you're mixing the bag BECAUSE i also HAD
i Had aunt, fifth AND i Had Jimmy butler ahead of.
Him now we're just talking about pure. TALENT i don't
know that we can go. There But i'm looking at
A Jimmy, butler to your, point who led teams to
the finals. Twice like there's this this combination of guys
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who are just purely talented who don't have a, ring
and guys who have demonstrated that they they're next in the,
line or they deserve a ring because they've come so
close and maybe they just didn't have the requisite team around.
Them But i'm not going to say that About, ANT i.
DON'T i don't BELIEVE I this is this is my
great issue is that when a player Like ant doesn't
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get to the finals or doesn't win a, ring we immediately, go, oh,
well he doesn't have enough. Help we need to get
more pieces around. Him It's Julius randall's. Fault it's it's
It's Chris pinch's, fault It's Mike conley's. Fault i'm, like,
no if you're that kind of, player And i'm looking
at the holes In Anthony edwards game first and, FOREMOST
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i want him to fill those holes and Then i'll
figure out the piece THAT i need around. Him because that's,
This This Minnesota timberwolves team was more talented than a
team that that got gentlemanly. Swept that's.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
FAIR i would push back and, Say aunt's.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Twenty, three AND i think keep saying, that so three
years AGO sga was in the playing and Meanwhile aunt
is taking his team to.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
The conference finals two years in a.
Speaker 8 (09:19):
Row his team has, gone his team has gone to the,
final to the conference finals two years in a. Row That.
JULIUS i could make a case That Julius randall had
more to do with them getting there this year than Than.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Ante, Well julian did was unbelievably good until he.
Speaker 8 (09:34):
Wasn't, yes. Understood. Yeah here's the other part IS i
keep first last year it was he's twenty. Two now
it's he's twenty. Three and when asked like did this
did this? Hurt did you? STRUGGLE i don't. Struggle i'm.
Good i'm gonna work hard this, summer But i'm good like.
That you like?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
THAT i did not love? That, okay some of the
for me.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Either because you the clock is ticking like and if
you look at guys Like tracy, McGrady Penny, hardaway there's
any number of guys that were great early. On Penny
hardaway went to the finals his second, year he Was
ALL Nba First team two years in a. Row tracy
McGrady same thing was like a third or fourth year
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was was was ALL nba and getting SOME mvp. Accolades
BEFORE i take that, back that was With, penny With
shack Leaving. Orlandia but those guys were like when we
looked at them early in their first three four, years we're, like,
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oh these guys are playing for, championship, right these guys
are going to be all time, greats and they hit
their zenith in those first four or five. Years that's
more the rule than the exception in terms of guys
winning a. Ring, LIKE i think it's a foregone conclusion
a lot of people's minds, that including, ants That ant
is gonna WIN mvp at some, point and he's gonna
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win a ring at some point, Probably. Right The Minnesota
timberwolves had the most expensive roster in the league this, year,
Right and if we look at some of the guards
and some of the players early on that, won it's
because they had guys on their team that were really
good who were, underpaid like The Minnesota timberwolves are not, there,
(11:25):
Right so is it gonna happen in the next year or? Two, No,
well then now we're getting to twenty, seven twenty eight
and having to remake The timberwolves around. Him i'm JUST
i think there's this foregone conclusion About aunt THAT i
wouldn't necessarily buy.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Into AS i hear you explain, THAT i was just
thinking to the Guy Lebron james in what, year three
years something With cleveland goes to the, finals can't get back,
there says, Guys i'm Out durana and.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
O'kes they get to.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
The, finals young, GUYS i have to go someplace, olf,
Right so Is minnesota gonna do it In? Minnesota Anthony
edward's gonna do it In? Minnesota probably.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
Not and here's the flip side of. That when you
look at the guys that are there right, NOW sga
And Tyrese, haliburton what do they have in? Common this
isn't their first, Team this isn't their first. Team and
there were doubts about both of them at various, points
like how good can they? Be can they be the
leader of a championship. Team we haven't had anybody express
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that doubt About Aunt. Edwards AND i believe that you're
taking away the motivation of a, player the urgency of
a player to, say you know, WHAT i want to
prove you. Wrong nobody's Saying aunt has to prove them.
Wrong everybody's still giving him flowers in spite of the
fact that if you look at the last Two Western conference,
finals yes did they get, There, sure but he was
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outplayed by another, Star Luka doncis last year AND sga this.
Year and yet there still seems to be no urgency
or a feeling, like, Hey, ann you're like you need
to pick it. Up and if you're going to get,
THERE i don't know what more he could do. You but,
anyways let's let's move on to The. KNICKS i just
the post mortem we Had frank guy so.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Long i'm. Pledging, hey let's take a deep.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Breath last, year The pacers were swept by The Celtics conference.
Finals they make zero changes to their top, eight and
they're in THE Nba. FINALS i Know i've been, like,
hey maybe we Dumped. THIBODEAU i know there's This gianni's.
Chase i'm actually preaching some Patient, rick AND i think
The knicks can run it.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Back are you?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
OKAY i, know Irrational New yorker over, Here, no you?
Speaker 8 (13:35):
Are you are being incredibly. Rational i've Never i've never
Heard wow be this? Rational, Okay and you're usually the
we're gonna move the coach like always, right and they
blow it.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Up get rid of. THEM i had a boozy. Weekend
plays some, basketball you, know like you get your mind.
CLEARED i came in this. MORNING i, said.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Guys were stamp Pat, yeah AND i think they can
get to THE nba. Finals ate they weren't four off this.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
Year, no they. Weren't the issue is, like, ideally if
you're going to play for a, championship they need a
true two way, big like right now they have Like
Mitchell robinson's on the. Floor, defensively they're a different, team
but now they're a different team offensively as. Well, Offensively
kat gave you a. Lot let's not under sell what
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he did for the better part of the. Playoffs but
if you're going to be built around a point, guard
And i'd look at the two thousand and Four Detroit
pistons winning a championship and the twenty twenty Two Golden State,
warriors you have to have like the perfect pieces and
a lot of talent around that. Guard if you look
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at the numbers, alone What Jalen brunson did this year
in the regular season and in the players playoffs mirror
What Steph curry did in twenty twenty, two both regular
season and. Playoffs but What steph had was he Had
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Andrew wiggins playing, almost, yeah almost better Than Draymond green
as a defensive player and a true was a two
way impact. Player you Had Draymond green still playing. Well
you Had Klay thompson have his moments you Had Jordan,
poole like you had all the pieces that allowed to
that covered the blemishes Of steph and allowed him to
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maximize what he. Is that's what The knicks, need AND
i don't know that they have it right. Now but
to your, point, like unless there was a clear CUT
i can get this thing that makes a. Difference i'm
standing packed.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Let, me can they Get? GIANNIS i don't. See it
just doesn't seem feasible given the. Pick they don't have that.
Speaker 8 (15:49):
Anything, Yeah I've i've been asking about that BECAUSE i
mean the. Teams There's, Houston, yeah There's.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Brooklyn give up a, lot but he's not Going, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
Toronto's going to make a run at, him BUT i
don't know that that's going to. Happen but those two
teams in, particular have the assets That milwaukee would want
assets The. SPURS i would add The spurs in the
equation to those three.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Teams it's, Tough, Okay so let's downshift To Kevin.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Durant, yeah turn thirty seven In. September, Rick, Yeah i'm
a HUGE kd, Fan but is he that much of
an upgrade For? Kat and doesn't he shrink your window
from like maybe the next three years to, like you
better win this year Because kd's hurt all the.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
Time, Yeah i'd say he's an. UPGRADE i mean the
tricky part is are you just getting him as a
one year rental or is he going to sign an?
Extension do you want to sign him to? Extension what
does that extension look? Like there's a lot of tricky
parts to. That to your, point because Of kd's age
and where he, is the one, year the one year
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deal for a team that's looking for cap, space that
may be. STUCK i mean that's Where minnesota is kind of.
Attractive but the problem is is that you'd have to
give up multiple. Pieces it's Not Julius randall For Kevin,
Durant Julius randall And jane, McDaniels Or Julius randall And
Rob dillingham And Mike connley when so that's where it becomes.
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Difficult it's IT'S i had somebody this morning Suggests atlanta
asked for kat just because they have the, assets AND
i was. Thinking my first reaction, was, Oh katie's kind
of finished his career In.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Atlanta that's Like Patrick ewing wearing A sonics jersey or,
yeah it's a one for the raptors or something.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
Silly you don't want to see.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Them not very.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Attractive but, No katie's going to be.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Difficult all, right let's go to the Actually Eastern Conference finals.
Voting did you have an issue with The siakam Five halliburton?
Four AND i will just breface. This the media votes
on this. Stuff, yes, right, yes we know the. Media
they do some dumb. Things obviously ALL nba. Voting, well,
anyways did you have a major issue with?
Speaker 8 (17:58):
IT i really. Don't first of, all it was five to. Four,
yeah so it's like there's like one swing, vote, right
AND i can make a case for either. Guy, Yeah Pascal.
Siakam if you look at the if you take in
to account the defensive end of the, FLOOR i mean
The knicks were Hunting Tyrese haliburton at, Times Pascal siakam
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winning his battle being the best big on the. Floor
it was the difference. Maker and then when you look
in terms of key, baskets he didn't. Have he didn't
have the highlight moments That haliburton. Had but the WAY
i described it, Was Pascal siakam was the engine And
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Tyrese haliburton was the, driver like he got everybody. Involved you,
know he obviously assists were through the, roof But Pascal
siakam was getting to the free throw. Line he was
getting The nixon foul. Trouble and you know in those
situations where they absolutely needed a, bucket they could hand
him the ball and he would go get.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It it's.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Weird it felt Like Jalen brown Over jason tit them last.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Year, yeah not unlike. THAT i was also, thinking like
the kind of The Iguadala Steph, Curry Oh, FINALS Mvp
FINALS mvp annoyed.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Me such A curry. DEFENDER i would go online and
battle these.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Moress like you, said the media doesn't always get it,
right BUT i don't think that they got it perversely.
Wrong this was it that.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Egregious now let me ask you about the. Finals i've
been workshopping this. TAKE i was gonna save it from
midweek when things are. SLOW i don't, Know.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Rick this whole finals battle, Right.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's it's a good matchup of. TEAMS nba diehards will love,
it casuals probably will. Not i'm of the belief That
indiana is going to give them a much closer series
than the. Experts think everybody's, saying, oh this is, Okay
so he's just a Juggernaut. Indy everything THAT okc does really,
well so Does. Indiana they've got the, bench they play
with pace and. Tempo halliburton led the league and assist turnover.
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RATIO i, mean at one point in the next, series
he had like four turnovers in five.
Speaker 8 (19:59):
Games like it's one way that that's one way to
look at. IT a lot of people are looking at
all the things That indiana, Does, okay see does and
they just do it, better right except for one. Thing
And i'd say there's two factors Where i'm with. You
i'm not gonna say it's going to be a great.
SERIES i think that The pacers have a chance to
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make it an interesting series in terms of pushing it to,
six maybe even.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Seven AND i love.
Speaker 8 (20:27):
THAT i don't see them winning, it BUT i see
them making a. Contest and for two. Reasons number, one
they have shot the ball from three point range lights,
out and they've done it. Collectively LIKE i think LEAST i,
checked they were shooting like forty percent in the playoffs
as a. Team that's, insane that, is and that's that's
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much much better Than okac. Does and as we, know
the three point shot can have a huge influence on
flipping The, cavs flipping the odds. Exactly the other part
Is Rick carlisle And Pascal. SAKA i have two guys
who know what it takes to win a, championship who
have been to the. Finals AND i look at THE
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i look at The, thunder and you Have Alex, CARUSO i,
believe who won in the. Bubble. Yeah and other than,
that brand New Rick carlo has been to the finals six.
Times he took A Dallas mavericks team that was probably
as underrated and looked past in the finals versus The Miami,
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heat as This pacers team is against The Oklahoma City.
Thunder SO i believe that The carlisle is gonna have
a few things up his. SLEEVE i love.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
That and by the, way. Nemhard you see he's making
two million dollars this. Year, yeah starting point, guard who's.
GOOD i still remember. This nobody remember, this but his
final college GAME.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
I think it was With. Chet he shot like two of.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Eleven he was a train wreck and they lost his
big Favorites And i'm, like this guy's not a. Pro
he was terrible Against. Arkansas nemart has been. Phenomenal he's
a good basketball. Player and at two million dollars in the,
finals that's how You're that's how you're.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Here and that's how you get to finals to you,
know going back to the Whole minnesota point is that
you Have you, know when The warriors were making their,
runs they were Paying steph eleven million. Dollars, yeah, yeah
he signed the four, year forty four million dollar. Deal you,
need especially in TODAY'S, nba you need a couple of
guys who haven't been paid Yet Jordan poole And Andrew
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wiggins in twenty twenty, two like guys that are playing
for the bag and and The minnesota Timber wolves don't have.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
That so let me just did the whole small market
super team. Stuff the super.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Team ara's, over, sadly BUT i need to remind Pebble
rick Like, lebron The lebron we know now before he
got to the heat and started, that he was like
second banana To kobe And shaq and The. Celtics he
wasn't the Polarized oh my, GOSH i can't stay On.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
Lebron he wasn't that until he went to The.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Heat, yeah and SO i just wonder some of these
young stars they're not, polarizing and if you don't have
that lover, hate it's just, like, oh we've got The
pacers In thunder in the.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Finals.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah AND i know THE nba doesn't want that because
the owners want everybody to have a, chance BUT i
feel like if you don't have, that it's not going
to be great for the. LEAGUE i don't, know that's
kind of like a big picture. THING i don't know
how you've solved, that but there isn't really anybody at
THE nba right now that you feel strongly about one
way of the.
Speaker 8 (23:30):
Right, no it has to happen. Organically and to your,
POINT i don't know who that is that's out there
right now that we feel that.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Way, Well jannis could be the.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Lynchpin people are not gonna like it if he goes
to a good, team LIKE kd went to The. Warriors
instantly everybody hated, him But rick you had to, watch,
yeah or rearranging your your anniversary dinners Around Kevin durant
Versus lebron you know all that kind of.
Speaker 8 (23:54):
Sure and IF kd goes to a, contender that would
stir the pot as. Well, Yes, look the league is
taking a very different approach to the way it traditionally
approach things, is which is it's taking a global, view
AND i think in part it's plaining to the fact
that it's best players are international players and that the
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domestic market is basically, saturated like how much how much
more are you going to get out of out of
the domestic. Market but they look globally and they're, Thinking,
okay we have international. Stars it's why they're talking about
starting in A european division as much as as as you,
know getting expansion teams In Las vegas And, seattle you
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hear as much about A european division as you hear about.
Those in, fact those those, moves WHICH i still think
are going to, happen are sort of have been. Forgotten
SO i believe that they're looking, at you know, what
we want to attract an audience that's going to buy
jerseys and is going to stream games and is going
to you, know be, fans and we don't need, like
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we don't have to cut through the. Mainstream have stars
that are going to cut through the mainstream in THE,
us because you, know the people In serbia are going
to go crazy for The Denver, nuggets, right and maybe
you capture a bigger part of The canadian market With
Shake Hilles. ALEXANDER i think that they're looking at. Globally
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we have attractions that other leagues don't and that's our sweet.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Start so we'll wrap up with This cooper.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Flag Carmelo anthony had some quotes and it's interesting you
just mentioned domestic international AND i don't want to Say
carmelo was bashing, him but he was basically, saying like
he's not great at, Anything he's a good, player does.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Everything, well, yeah there's a.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
World Jeff tigue last week was LIKE sga saved THE
nba with the mid. RANGE i was, like, EH i
honestly Think cooper flag. DOMESTICALLY i know people an't going
to want to hear. This he can be a savior of.
Sorts And i'm sorry to bring up, race but he's
a white guy who can maybe dominate in a league
where there hasn't been a dominant white guy in a long.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Time, yeah you, know it's. FUNNY i look at like
a Chet holme grin and A cooper flag AND i
AND i and it's then they sort of shift my
view of where we are as far as Our american
born players and our ability to compete. Internationally LIKE i
think If Anthony edwards continues to, evolve and you have
A Cooper flag and you have a Chet Holme, gren
(26:21):
we have a chance to still be all. Right france
isn't going to take over over just quite. Yet BUT
I i you, KNOW i Hear carmelo BECAUSE i think
one of the dangers is when we have somebody who's
who's taken number, one we immediately expect them to be a. Superstar,
yes AND i don't. KNOW i Think Cooper flag could
be a really good player for a really, long, good,
(26:42):
good really long, time BUT i don't know that he's Necessarily.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Okay, well wait to find.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Superstar Was lebron a superstar right out of the gate averaging
like twenty three as a?
Speaker 8 (26:51):
Rookie he had he had the earmarks of.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
It, okay what About zion first? YEAR i know he's
heard and blah blah, blah but, No.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Zion it's a classic example of somebody that we anointed
way too early and making The Anthony edwards, comparison Like
zion was supposed to be the next, whatever like from
the gate and even Even lebron like until he lost
(27:21):
and everybody started to, say, well maybe he's not a.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Champion is that The dallas series.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
That forced him to no, no, no, no, no that forced
him to go To miami to get out Of? Cleveland?
Right super teams? Healthy right, Right like he finally had To,
hey you got to put up or shut? Up like
we kept making excuses For, zion always heard if he
could just stay, Healthy i'm.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
Done, Yeah by the, way is he moving the?
Speaker 8 (27:44):
Summer is he going? ANYWHERE i don't know what the
market is For. ZION i DON'T i don't know that
he's going. Anywhere but he's got bigger.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Issues oh that's, Right, yeah yeah he, does all. Right final,
one we haven't Mentioned Ja moran in a couple of.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
Years, yeah next couple of, years.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
That something's going on In.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
MEMPHIS i keep hearing This Jaron jackson stuff and then there's,
hey maybe we just move on From joss start, over.
Reboot any thoughts On jommerate because, he for like seven,
minutes was.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Going to be the future of THE.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
Nba, yeah, WELL i don't think he gets back there.
NOW i think there's just there's too much water under the.
BRIDGE i could he be? Moved, man that's The it's
as difficult As minnesota moving In Anthony. Vans you don't
get stars like that in markets like that unless you.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
DRAFT i, MEAN i just think Of luca got moved
and nobody thought that was.
Speaker 8 (28:37):
Coming, yeah that's an exception rather than the.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Rule, yeah all, Right Rick, BUKER i mean look at.
That that's like twenty great minutes with a guy who.
Speaker 8 (28:44):
We actually there was a couple of. Things we had
some patico on and you were like you were rational
and sober at one.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Point this was a good. Session there have to be
so it.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Was J, mac this was this WAS i enjoyed. This
thanks so. Much tell me may even come.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Back, WOH i love it all, Right, rick youger great
Stuff coming up, Next Alex curry will tell us Why
Matt lafleur had to defend his STARK Qb jordan love
over the.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
Weekend that's.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Next be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
weekdays in Noon easter nin a Em.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Pacific great stuff from Rick yucker and now more great
Stuff Alex curry with.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
The, News no no turn on the.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
News this is the herd line.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
News All, right.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
We're gonna start in THE.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Nfl Jordan love and The packers finished third in THE
Nfc north last year and had an up and down
year in his second. Year starting going into year, three
his head coach mot Let floor says he doesn't believe
That love took a step back last.
Speaker 9 (29:42):
Year three games is significant amount of time and you're
going to be a little Bit you're not going to
produce as much from a numbers, perspective if but from
What i've, seen you, know and then ALSO i think
there was let's be, HONEST i mean when we talked about,
this we did have a lot of last.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Year The packers had the third most drops in THE
nfl last. Year but according To Matt, lafleur not On Jordan.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Love.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Now they did draft a wide receiver in the first
round for the first time in twenty three, years so they,
addressed you, know what they think might be the.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Issue but, again LIKE Nfc north is a tough.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Division lions obviously losing a lot of their, coordinators that's
going to be. Difficult vikings now going with rookie QUARTERBACK
jj McCarthy is going to be a little different.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
So packers And Jordan love like have a.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Chance to be competitive once again in THE Nfc.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
North but do you think he played well last? Year
Jordan love not.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Particularly so here's what the key missed two, games he
had some. Injury, yeah so he wasn't as. Mobile the
key number here is the. Interception So alex he threw
one hundred and fifty fewer passes and had the same
number of. Interceptions not, great and his touchdowns were significantly. Down,
again he missed time due to. Injuries he wasn't as.
(31:06):
Healthy started in the open, remember returned his. Ankle, YEAH
i think it was on the last.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
Play of the.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Game, again so he was injured to start the. Season
good chunk of the.
Speaker 6 (31:13):
Season, also DO i like the fact that your head
coach is defending and supporting your, Quarterback like that's that's
a good sign.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
For Jordan love and mount the.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Floor, yeah, listen he didn't drop.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Significantly BUT i think people expect young quarterbacks to make
a linear.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Progression good one, Year hey.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
We were great in the.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Playoffs let's go let's make it the next.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Step and, yeah you're also Following Aaron rodgers who won
a bunch of MVPs and you know that The packers
have for some, reason have always figured out their quarterbacks
like one after the.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Net so there's a lot of pressure On Jordan. Love
BUT i think he's going.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
To be just.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
FINE i don't know IF i agree with you.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
There all, Right well let's move to another team in the.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Division New lions QUARTERBACK Dj reid came over from The
jets last season after spending three seasons In New, york
And reid says he noticed a difference.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Immediately does the energy difference immediately?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Notable, Gear, yeah for, Sure LIKE i needed to go
through WHAT i went through In New, york And i'm
grateful THAT i went through.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
It.
Speaker 6 (32:16):
Now that's the difference between a team with championship aspirations The,
lions versus a rebuilding team when he was on The,
jets and a functioning franchise like The lions against a
dysfunctional situation when he.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
Was there with The.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Jets because he was there the last three seasons like they.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Had he was.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Great but now he's on a team that is a complete.
Team he has the talent around. Him it's a completely
different scenario for.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
He AND i don't have exact numbers on, this BECAUSE
i don't know if you could find, me BUT i
Know Sauce garden was their number one With New.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
York, yeah so he was facing a lot of number two.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Receivers, yeah he goes To, detroit he's the number one. Cornerback,
yeah now you're facing the elite stars every. Week and
opposite him Is Terry On, arnold the young kid Out
obama who really, struggled grated out of one hundred and
ninety out of one hundred and sixteen. Corners so it's, like,
hey why would we even TARGET Dj.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Read we're gonna be throwing At. Arnold, YEAH i think
he's gonna be a little tough one For. Read the.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Transition, yeah and they're not as great of a pass
rush In detroit as you.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Had In New.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
York could be an Alarming but The lions have a
lot going, on AS i, think a.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Lot of story that we're saving that for it a,
bit but, yeah, yeah, yeah they have.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
The lines of a lot of, going a lot of, changes.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Not a great not a lot of great stuff, either.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Not a lot of. Good they're losing a lot of.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
Guys we'll get to that in a. Bit it's not
our third story this. Hour but let's move To New
york and talk about your knicks, again because it was
all good.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
In New york just a round.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
Ago, now after The pacers bounced them in the conference,
finals a report came out after saying teammates were growing
frustrated With Karl Anthony towns and his effort on the
defensive side of the ball this. Season BUT i, MEAN
i don't think that's a. Surprise we all saw. It
we heard the broadcast talking about. It cat mentioned he
needed to be better in his postgame. Interviews but at this,
(34:06):
point you, know how do you work with what you? Have,
like he is who he. Is he's twenty nine years,
old he's their highest paid player on the team and
will be for a. Bit so do you just kind
of adjust around? Him do you play through him more
and make them more of an offensive? Weapon so maybe
that kind of balance is out the defensive defense that he,
has you trade him for someone with better, Defense, like
(34:28):
there's a lot of questions you just you.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Kind of have to work with.
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Him and as you, mentioned you're not going to break
up the whole. System it's just how do you how
do you kind of adjust? It they don't need a full.
Facelift they need just kind of touch.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Ups this is a really there's no easy. Answer there
are a lot of. Questions as you, said, yeah no easy.
ANSWER i use the word at the phrase space. CADET
i don't know if that's. Accurate but he just Do
his rotations are. Curious it's, like, dude if this, happens
you've got to do.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
This and he never does.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That AND i some of these FOULS i think you
said the post, game was It.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Barkley who just said you can't be doing what's with
these dumb? Fouls you can't be doing. This he's, LIKE i,
KNOW i, know and he just.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Can't he looked at Like sparkley was LIKE i, KNOW i.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
SHOULDN'T i, know didn't. STOP i don't. KNOW i mean
At tim's he's the defensive. Guy, yes he can't get
the guy locked.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
In it's just who he.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Is if this git's, tough, LISTEN i, like town got
some relatives In New. Jersey, Yeah towns's father just moved
around the corner from, them so they're texting, Me.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Hey carl Anthink towns his dad lives. Near SO i was, like,
great can you Tell kat to lock it? Up but
when he's.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Good he's. Great you, know it's just are you gonna
get that? Consistently he's.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Good he's the one piece that knicks fans.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Really and this article that you bring, up, YEAH i
was ready to get during the commercial it say yeah.
ALL i mean it's like every finger is pointing at, him, like,
bro like that would be your link.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
HERE i don't, KNOW i, LIKE i.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Like he's also the most expensive guy on The Rockstar.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Alex curry at the.
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News all, right coming up.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Next the good news Is Michael parsons was At OTA's last.
Week the bad news is he's not there this. Week
oh what Is dallas? Doing we'll talk about that.
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Speaker 3 (37:45):
RIGHT i love when we do like peaks behind the
curtain of what's going. On you, know there's a quarterback who's,
unsigned who's old and ornery and.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Played for My jets last. YEAR i don't like talking
about him.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Anymore but the staff hit me with a, hey this is, interesting, like,
no we're not doing that guy All, Monday we're.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Not i'm not talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
It and another like kind of no fly zone has
been The. Cowboys but this next STORY i found interesting.
Enough and It's Michael. Parsons, okay he's not At OTA's this.
Week it's not the end of the, world, right he
was there last. Week showing up immediately sees the new
Code schottenheimer blah blah.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Blah he still doesn't have a. Contract.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Okay and WHEN i was a, KID i would you,
KNOW i was one of these procrastinators when it came to, school, where,
oh that project's due next, Week i'll do it.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Later and my parents would, say so the, project are
you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It And i'll be, like, no, NO i gotta do
this that and the. OTHER i gotta work on my,
shot you, know playing, GOLF i would JUST i would
procrastinate And i'd never want to do, it and my
parents would always, say, well.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
The exact saying, was don't save.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
For, tomorrow which you can get out of the way,
today AND i would just be like you old people
don't know what you're talking.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
About i'm gonna do. Me and usually it blew up
in my. FACE i didn't get great. Grade. Shocker don't
tell my kids, That BUT i.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
WAS i was a, procrastinator and for some reason that
still is, Unexplained Jerry jones continues to procrastinate when it
comes to paying his. Players he waited to Pay dak
and it blew up in his, face and Now dak
is the highest paid quarterback in the.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
League, dak Who Pro Football focused last week, said WAS
i think seventeenth or.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Something now he's not. Seventeen he's probably closer to ten or.
Twelve but, Basically Jerry jones screwed it. Up so Then
jerry also procrastinate it With Ceedee lamb and how'd that work?
Out he's not a top three receiver in the. LEAGUE
i sorry he's. Not he's paid like. One and now
we Have Michael, parsons And Michael parsons is a podcast,
guy so he's stirring up. Stuff he's on social. Media
(39:53):
did you see what he did over the? Weekend so you,
know there's some random video Of Michael parson's running back
highlights from his senior year in high. School maybe he
can help The cowboys running back, room which is kind
of futrid probably bottom five running back. Room and of
Course Michael parsons repops it and he's, like, yeah ever
ten yards of? CARRY i, mean he looks Like Derrick
(40:14):
henry does in THE. Nfl Michael parsons looked like that
in high. School he get like twenty seven. Touchdowns So
Michael parsons is essentially using every avenue he, can his,
podcast social media to cryptically send messages To Jerry jones Of.
Dallas jerry's gonna sign, him but he's gonna wait and.
Wait and for the longest, TIME i, thought, oh this
(40:34):
is dressed strategy By jerry because he wants to Keep
dallas's name out there in the.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
Ether people are always.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Talking about The, cowboys even though they're Not america's team.
Anymore people are always talking About. Dallas but once again
it's blowing up in his. Face we Saw Miles garrett
reset the market. Recently, well If jerry had just Signed
micah last, season before our last, offseason he wouldn't be
dealing with this. Nonsense micah's not gonna play for anything
(41:04):
less Than Miles. Garrett so now you're paying. More so
you paid more For, dak more For, lamb and now
you gotta pay more For. Parsons and some of these
numbers that the salary cap guys are crunching is basically
saying those three guys are chewing up like all of
the money For. Dallas AND i don't, know, Guys i'm
at the point WHERE i don't know what else you
(41:28):
can say To Jerry. Joes he doesn't get, it he doesn't.
Care nobody can get in his ear and stop him from,
doing you, know dumb things to The dallas salary. Cap
they had a good run under, McCarthy that's. Over it
really feels Like dallas is going. Nowhere And i've said
for the longest, time Like Michael, parsons he's had twelve
(41:51):
or more sacks in each of his first four.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Years that's, great that's historic. Territory it's like What Reggie
white was. Doing and now you're gonna pay him. More
mine need The Miles.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Garrett She you're essentially gonna have one defensive, player a,
quarterback at a receiver and nothing. Else So Jerry, JONES
i don't know what to tell, you my, guy but
we have now reached our quota Of Dallas cowboy stories
for the week and It's.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Monday nice, Job Jerry.
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