December 11, 2024 • 39 mins
Colin has a possible outcome for Russell Wilson and the Steelers after this season
The Jets and the Giants are horrible, but Colin has some advice on how these two teams can be fixed
Guest: Albert Breer
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go our number two in Los Angeles. It's
the Herd.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I thought Josh McDaniels was outstanding, really really outstanding. Think
about this guy's got six rings. That's crazy, six super
Bowl rings. And you know, the head coach thing is
really really hard. I always say this, Belichick got let
go in New England, Andy Reid got let go in Philadelphia.
Head coaching, you are hired to eventually, even if you're
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an all time great to be let go. That is
the reality of head coaching in the NFL. But to
be a great coordinator for year, year after year after
year really takes something. And Josh McDaniels for a long
time was the best offensive coordinator with the best health
coach and the best quarterback of all time. So there's
a story out there. I find this interesting. The Russell
Wilson contract. So jmak Russell Wilson has earned in his
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thirteen year career. This is amazing. Three hundred and four
million dollars. That is a lot. And so Russell right
now is one of the best bargains in football. But
not for Denver. They're still paying him. He's a bargain
for Pittsburgh. Okay, he's not playing for free, so Denver's
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paying him, not Pittsburgh. Now, Russell wants a new contract,
and I would give him one. But here's the thing.
Russell is an aging, slightly declining player from three years ago.
That's indisputable. Pittsburgh has no reason to hurry. There's not
a huge market for him. And the other key is
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let's see the next three to four weeks. The schedule
for Pittsburgh is the Ultimate Truth Serum at Philly, at Baltimore,
Kansas City, and then high scoring Cincinnati. They go two
and two, zero and four. Maybe he's not the answer,
So to me, you sign stars early, don't screw around
with top talent. But if somebody's a great fit, then
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you can wait. Okay, and I think Russell Wilson is
more great fit than he is currently great player. It's
not a criticism. He is absolutely an upgrade at a
position of need. And secondly, he's not spectacular, nor is
he in his prime. And so again, Josh Allen, Lamar Herbert,
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sign him early, don't waste your time, don't even go
to the last year of the deal. Just get it
done early. That's not Russell. And part of Russell's appeal,
and this may sound harsh, but two of his wins
are against Cleveland, and part of his appeal is he's
better than we thought. We came in the Russell Wilson
Steeter thing very low expectations and truck stop food is
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amazing when you're starving. And he is now solved. Let's
be honest. This offense for five or six years was
awful and it's no longer awful. It's not high electric dynamic. Wow,
it's not Buffalo, you know, it doesn't look like Detroit
or Philadelphia. It's not those teams or the Rams against
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the Bills. It's not that. But when you're starving, you know,
it's amazing what tastes great. And I think Russell also
has to come to terms with he's getting paid great
now for a team he doesn't even have to play
for So to me, Pittsburgh is a great fit. Now,
superstars work anywhere. Russell doesn't work anywhere. He didn't work
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in Denver, and he wasn't getting the Seahawks to the playoffs.
So to me, if I'm Russell, he didn't take a
player friendly deal in Seattle, nor did he take one
in Denver. This is probably a time for Russell Wilson
to go. You know what coach they draft, well they develop.
I got a star, semi star back, a star receiver.
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This to me is that you know, I've made a
lot of dough. Do you want to go to Aaron
Rodgers and make more money and go to the Jets,
or do you want to really be with a great,
well capitalized business with a history of winning. Again, when
you're a superstar, it's different when you're good and you're
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a great fit. That's when I think money can't drive
the decision. Mahomes, let money drive a lot of it.
And with that, Albert Breer joins us, let's talk about
that briefly. They're in no hurry. Pittsburgh's not going to
sign him before the season. What is a number? Is
it a Daniel Jones number. Is it a short contract?
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What sounds reasonable? On Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, I haven't asked around as much on Russell,
but I did ask on Sam Donald, and I think
these things.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Are probably in the ballpark now.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Sam Donald's obviously a lot younger, so you might get
guarantees that go out yeah further.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But yeah, I think Sam's Sam has now played his
way into the thirty to forty million wow okay per
years wow, which is which is where Baker was.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's I think when you look at Sam, it's Baker
with inflation and so like. Then how does that relate
to Russell who's ten years older than Sam Roll? Like,
I do think it sort of sets the price. You know,
Derek Carr didn't have a huge market a couple of
years ago, but he let other players set the market
for him. I think that's probably the way it would
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go with Russell Wilson if he hit the market where
a guy like Sam Donald, because of his age, would
come off the market faster. Yeah, and that would help
inform the Steelers and other teams what Wilson's were.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah. That that's really interesting. So you've done your calls
on Donald, thirty to forty, which I would be very
comfortable paying for Sam. I don't think you're going to
get the Minnesota Sam because he's not taking Justin Jefferson
or Kevin O'Connell with him. But I think if you
get some version.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Of the Jordan Anderson J Hockett.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it's a really good fit. By the way, on
Donald one more on Donald? Yeah, my argument is why
not franchise tag him? Can you let an MVP candidate
out of the building. What are they going to do
on that?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
So this is like, this is obviously a Champagne problem,
you know, it's problem to have. There's too many quarterbacks,
and they they love what they saw from JJ McCarthy
up through August. The problem is they didn't get to
see him in September, in October, in November, in December practicing,
so they didn't get what you would normally get if
you were red shirting or rookie quarterback, and like, do
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you get him back in April or do you get
him back in June.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
There's some variables there. So they can love the kid,
which they do.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They can love what he did for them when he
was on the field, which they do, But there's still
some projection going on there that wouldn't go wouldn't be
going on if he didn't get hurt. And I think
the question for the Vikings becomes, when you've got a
team that can win right now, and you've got a
bunch of players that are ready to contend and win
right now, and a team that at this point is
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eleven and two, can you roll the dice and be
willing to ride out some of the bumps that you
might not see coming with Aj McCarthy, or do you
buy the one year insurance policy at more than forty
million dollars because the franchise tag is going to be
above forty million dollars in twenty twenty five? Do you
buy that one year insurance policy with Sam Darnold, have
both of them on the roster next year and figure
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it out after. I think they could do that. It's
sort of if you go back and look historically at it.
I think it's sort of what the Chargers did with
Drew Brees in two thousand and five. If you go
all the way back and you remember they drafted Philip
Rivers and four Brees had a great year. Breeze like
played much better than they expected. They went twelve and four.
They franchised him in five and then Philip Rivers became
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the quarterback and six. Certainly there's some precedent for for
doing that, and the franchise tag does give the Vikings
an option to sort of slow play this a little
bit longer.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, so WIP Radio, you know this is what they do.
They get people worked up. Brandon Graham says Jalen Hurts
AJ Brown, They're not tight. Now, some of this is
We've heard it from Debo and Malik Neighbors and Ceedee
Lamb and DeVante Adams. Wide receivers are the most verbal
players in the league. They are, they have been my
entire life. Whatever. But so this feels like there's some
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there's a real issue here. What are you hearing?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I think there's just there's a personality thing with Jalen
Hurts that that's existed, and I think as existenceency's coming
to the league, which is I don't think he's a
bad guy, but is he going to put his arm
around a guy and make sure that he gets the
ball to a certain guy and play k people in
the I don't think that's who he is, right so
you know, I think that there's that part of it
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where you're always managing that to some degree with Jalen Hurts,
and again, like I think, like deep down he is
a really good guy, but there is that element that
you're dealing with with him. And I mean, look like
he and aj Brown had a great relationship before they
were playing together. But as you know, Colin, it's different
having a great relationship with somebody when you see him
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three or four times the universus being in the building
with them every day, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I think they're managing through some of that. The
good news is, I think they've got an.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Emotionally intelligent head coach and Nick Sirianni, who I think
is very good at navigating these sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think you do have to manage it.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And you know, like obviously there's the shifting and what
the offense is now versus where it was a year ago.
Based on the fact that the Saquon Barkley is there
and Saquon Barkley's having a historic season.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You know, now it's on the coaches to to sort
of manage these things.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And again, the good news is, I think Sirianni's good
at these things, and they've been down this road with
hers before.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I got to ask you the coaching search for the Bears.
So I said yesterday, some jobs are too big in
any industry for a first timer. Ben Johnson, Joe Brady.
There's too many obstacles and hurdles here. Brian Floor as
his coached. Now, he created some of the Miami dysfunction,
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but he's a culture creator. I mean, you remember that
Miami season. The first eight games they were awful, and
then like week nine, their special teams in defense were
top of the league. He's got a resume, he's acknowledged
his mistakes, he's been reflective. He's done a great job
everywhere he's been, and even Miami he had success. The
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tow A thing didn't work. I think he's learned from it.
I think, however, he'd be my one A. I think
when you're a mess of an organization, you go culture
changer first, scheme second. Dan Campbell, Jim Harbaugh. I think
Vrabel's the fit here. To me, am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, So I like, first of all, like I think
the default for everybody in the situation like this, when
you have a guy who is drafted first, overall, it's like,
go find a quarterbacks guy, right right, Like when you
look at the Bears, and this is to your point, Colin,
do they scream like we need to bring in somebody
to work with one player, you.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Like No, like they need somebody who can do more
than that, and like they need somebody who's going to
come in and change what they've been. It's been fifteen
years since they won a playoff game. They've run through
a lot of different coaches there. They've vacillated back and
forth between defensive coach and offensive coach and all those
different things. And I think they need somebody and I
think they recognize this. They need somebody's going to put
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their foot maybe going to be able to put his
foot in the ground and drive the organization in a
certain direction. And to me, that's Mike Vrabel. Now, Like
my question would be whether or not Vrabel would want
to go there, because I think he's going to have
option Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And Vrabel dealt.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
With a complicated ownership situation in Tennessee, with changing front
office structure, and they've got a new team president in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They've got like old.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
School ownership does Mike Vrabel want to walk into that situation.
If he's got options, I think the Bears would want him.
Well he want the Bears, is the question. And I
think I'm with you on the leader of men thing,
Like I think that that's really that's very real there
because why they wanted to get a look at Thomas
Brown because he fits that bill And I think, you
know again, like the names, Brian Floor is a good name.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
He's actually a college teammate of Ryan Poles at Boston College.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Not sure if you knew that, wow, but there is
a connection there and he would be good for that
sort of place. I think Aaron Glenn if you want
to pluck from the division. I think Aaron Glenn's got
a lot of the same qualities that Dan Campbell had
when the Lions hired him in twenty one. So there
are some good names out there. But I'm with you,
I don't think that this is necessarily a quarterback centric
higher because I think they need somebody who can do
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a lot more than just get one player up and running.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All right, No, this is a college question, but you
have an excellent knowledge at college football. The Belichick Carolina thing,
and I said this when Dion went to Colorado. I
truly believe Dion wanted to elevate the lives of young men. Belichick,
I think, I think he wants to elevate the life
of one man, and that's his son to the head
coaching job eventually. And that's fine. I'm a dad, I
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get it. It just doesn't he comes in with a
four hundred page binder. He wants his kid to get
the job. Carolina is because of their rivalry with Duke,
such an academic institution. They take academics very seriously, as
they should, and they're very proud of it. This feels,
I don't know, it just doesn't feel like it would work.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Let me take you through like what I think his
thought process is here, Like I think that the first
piece of it is he was, like my senses, he
was pretty stunned by the lack of interest last year
in NFL from NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So that's number one. I think his preference still is
to stay in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Number two, he's had a thirty thousand foot view now
of the league and he's seeing how many of these
places don't have their you know what together right, and
so he's looking at the jobs that are open now,
It's like, do I want to go work with Kevin
Warren in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Would I ever work for Whatdye Johnson New York?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
And then, you know, I think he's like taking that
and extrapolating and saying, well, if I don't like the
three jobs that are open right now, how many more
are going to come open? And like which of those
is going to wind up being ideal for me? And
set up the way that I want to do it?
Do I want to go to a place that's got
a team president that's going to meddle? Do I want
to go to a place where I've got a general
manager that I don't align with? Do I want to
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go to a place where I've got an owner who's
listening to sports radio and coming in with ideas every day,
like you know, and like, I just don't know that
the perfect situation exists. I think that's what he struggles
with he's struggling with right now, is he's got the
burd in the hand. Does he take that over to
in the bush?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then the flip side of it is the research
that he and the people around him have done into
the college game and the way they look at it
is college football is moving closer to the NFL and
they'd be more equipped to deal with with challenges in
college than a lot of college coaches. Nil is salary cap,
transfer portal is free agency. Dion Sanders does no home visits,
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So would Bill Belichick have to do home visits? Probably not.
The rules are changing so now you can put recruiters
on the road so he can hire coaches just to coach.
He could set it up a certain way where he
could go to the third and fourth and fifth year
guys and say, come here for a year and I
will turn you into an NFL player. You know this
team is telling you your a fourth round pick, I'll
turn you into a.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Second round pick.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think there's a mod there's a path there where
I think he might be able to turn around a
college teams, a college program faster than he could in
an NFL program and just go and coach and do
it his way. And so I think that that is
where his thought process is right now. And I think
there's a chance we get in answer today on whether
or not he's going to be the next coach at
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North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback. Good seeing you, Bud, Good
to see it go. One of the things Albert pointed
to is Bill Belichick and Mike Rabel don't want a
lot of these jobs. This is something I've talked about
almost ad nauseum, is that as the health gap has widened,
it used to be owners were worth four to seven
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hundred million dollars. That's a lot of money. But they
didn't like firing a year or two early. They didn't
like paying people, you know, nine million dollars to not work.
But billionaires now, like the poorest owners in the NFL
are worth a billion, some are worth thirty forty to fifty.
If Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk was interested, you could
have people that eventually are almost you know, their companies
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are trillion dollar companies. So it just rounding airs and
they get more impulsive, and they get crazier, and they're
just willing to blow out staffs. And I think it
shows you is is a is Albert saying that Belichick's like,
I'm looking at the openings, who wants to take the
Jets and the Bears job? And I don't blame them.
I think the Bears is is a lot. There's no
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way you can give it to a coordinator. I mean,
Matt Nagy, a very agreeable, likable guy, came from the
Andy Reid Tree, which is a good tree. Got him
to the playoffs twice with Mitch Trubisky, and they complained
the entire time. And that was with Aaron Stafford and
Kirk Cousins in their prime in the same division, and
then nobody liked him. So it's very rare. And I
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say this, there's six great coaches in this league, and
they're six to seven great quarterbacks and maybe seven to
eight great gms, and that's all the great owners there are.
Billionaire doesn't equal brilliant, are okay, it's a lot of
these guys are family money, never really run an organization.
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It's a toy, not a business. They're NFL team and
they're impulsive and they you know, they've they've got their
personal issues and their family issues and they take it
out on the team. So you know, Rabel should be
the Bear's choice. I'm not sure if I might Rabel,
if I'd take it, and I love Chicago.
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The Giants are two and eleven. The Jets are three
and ten. This is crazy the Jets and the Giants
feudal season, says the headline is the worst record since
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nineteen sixty between the two. It is a mess. I
mean I say this all the time. This weekend, I
gotta watch the Chargers with Justin Herbert and then the
Rams with Matt Stafford. I'm like our quarterback coach, Play
Harbaugh Sean McVay. The New York teams are a disaster.
And now I will say this, of the two colin
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which one has a chance to get good fast? I
think it's the Giants for like four obvious reasons. Their owner,
the Giants owner isn't my favorite, but he's not as
impulsive as Woody Johnson. They also potentially have a number
one or a number two draft pick, meaning a rookie quarterback,
and five years with a rookie quarterback contract. Number three
is the New York Giants have more cap space next
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year than the New York Jets. And number four is
the Giants have an offensive coach good enough to get
Daniel Jones into and winning a playoff game. So the
Giants aren't perfect. They need a right tackle, an elite corner,
and they've got to get another weapon, preferably a wide receiver,
but a tight end would do. That's what they need.
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The Jets need an enema. Nothing works, the Aaron drama,
Woody Johnson, it's I mean, the top candidate is Mike
Rabel or Belichick. I don't think either unless it was
the perfect gm Vrabel wouldn't take it and Belichick wouldn't.
So I will say this, Jay mckin, I want you
to watch this. In the last three seasons, I have
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staked my claim to four teams being better than Vegas thought.
Remember three years ago, I said Minnesota Vikings. I said
they're gonna be the shock team in the league. They
won thirteen games. Last year. Everybody said the Rams were awful.
I said, no, they're not. McVeigh and Stafford. They will
fight for the playoffs. They ended up winning a playoff
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game or no getting to the playoffs. This year, I
said Washington will be the surprise playoff team and Denver
is double the win total. Vegas is predicting. So I'm
four for my last four on my surprise teams Vikings, Rams, Denver,
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and Washington. I may not have a great, blazing five
every week, but I love finding when Vegas misses on
a team's personnel or prospects. If the Giants land Shhoer Sanders,
they are one of two teams right now, I would
say would be my surprise team next year. They got
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to get Shdor. I don't think cam Ward can turn
you around that quick. They need a right tackle, they
need a corner, and they've got to get somebody beyond
elite neighbors. They just don't get any tight end production
at all. But I think the Giants I got an
offensive coach, I got a left tackle, I got a
great defensive front. I got a young star rush end,
a star receiver. They need to shut down corner somewhere,
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and when you have a rookie quarterback, you can go
pay for that. There will be a wide receiver and
a corner on the market. I would overpay a little
for a corner probably not a receiver. I just draft one.
Jmack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
That's a hard knock.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Was on last night, Calhard and Mike Tomlins stole the
show again. He's got this talented young quarterback.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
He's matching up with Age Brown and DeVonta Smith this
week on Fox, and Tomlin took some time to motivate
his young cornerback.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You care more about it than I do. Yeah, you
know what I mean, because shoot, I won't be great
at the end of the day. It will be great. See,
it will be great today. You better push forward towards
it today.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But they're gonna happen as flift as you like.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh, I love him. I think Tomlin has a very
much a Pete Carroll feel. He is a walk around coach.
He's a motivator, he connects with players, got that storytelling ability.
Great at the podium. Don't know if he's a schematic whiz,
but I Tomlin's value. If you go look at his
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record as an underdog coach, He's unbelievable. He is the
best underdog coach in the last decade. So if you
back Pittsburgh and Tomlin into a corner, they come out
fire breathing. They're not always a great favorite, they're not
always good late, but they are when you back him
in a corner like Philadelphi, it's all the side. Everybody
loves Philadelphia. They got better players. I think four and
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a half for Tomlin is very tasty.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Mildly interesting.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
So two quick things. So number one, did you see
Porter putting on contacts in hard knocks? Who wears contact lenses?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:17):
I thought everybody got lasick? Did you get Lasik for
the eyes on him?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I know I'm never gonna let sharp objects near my eye.
It's my dad was an optometrist. I'm not letting it happen.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Do you wear contacts every day? Wow? I had ditch
those while back Hi put one in, pop it out?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
So the next thing is Joey Porter may want to
get Lasik because he is the most penalized quarterback in Hansy.
He has got me grading out horribly for Pro Football Focus. Listen,
I know we don't do a lot of prop bets
on this show, but AJ Brown's comments Kellen Moore coming
out talking about AJ Brown's comments Joey Porter being very
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penalty heavy, handsy. This is lining up for an AJ
Brown big game in this matchup on Fox against the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Are you sure?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That means less Sakwan Barkley getting off. What's winning for you? No?
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
No, they're gonna be going eight. You gotta keep him happy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You have to.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
You can still the heavy dose of Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
But AJ Brown, I will say I would look at
his numbers over receptions and overyards.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
This is screaming like a nine for a buck.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Thirty two and two touchsdowns. He's getting one hundred and
thirty two yards against the Steelers.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Steel curtain defense.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Come on, dude, come on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Pretty good? It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Oh jeez, all right, I guess we're on opposite side
than me. I like Eagles here, all right?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Next up is the Philadelphia seventy six Ers.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
This it's been a rough season.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
There's your boy, Joel Embiid in street clothes.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
The Sixers are seven and fifteen, twelfth in the East
and Embiid man.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
At least they have him back in the lineup.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
The former MVP recently talked about recovering from his knee injuries.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's been extremely depressing.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's something that hasn't been figured out, and it's been
extremely annoying because I would love to play every single game.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I mean, Embiid is not like.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In his late thirties or even mid thirties. He's still
a youngish guy. And for all these injuries, and he's
always in street clothes. I feel like we've seen peak
Joel Embiid.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Probably we've seen peak Sixers. Let's stop the game.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I had credible NBA reporters this summer. I saw they
were saying, this is the best big three in the
league with Embiid, Maxie and Paul Georgan.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I've sold my mbad stock two years ago. I'm done.
I like Paul George and Maxi, but they're not going anywhere.
You're not winning an NBA championship if Joel Embiid in
May and June is the centerpiece of your team. He
struggled in the Olympics. He was the only guy that
didn't fit the Olympic team. When are people going to
come to terms with individually gifted team fabric not great?
(25:52):
He is not. Now you could say, well, they're you know,
if you look at the net rating for the sixers.
I'm not saying he can't make them better, but when
you put him stars in the world stage, he was
the only star that didn't fit. He's not an easy fit.
He has the ball in his hands too often on
the perimeter. You know you compare him to Shaq. Shaq
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wasn't taking the ball away from Kobe eighteen feet from
the hole.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Listen, He's had a good career. Numbers are great, but
his injuries totally stick. Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Final story is we need you to stretch before doing
your victory lap over your guy, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Okay is it?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
He's playing the best football of his entire career and
Vikings oc Wes Phillips knows it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
We all know that. You know, Sam is gonna be
a sought after type of type of guy from wherever
that may be. Whatever his future ends up being is is.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I know all of us in this.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Building are gonna be happy for him, no matter no
matter where that ends up being. I don't think he
has to worry about that anymore. I think the worry
might have been Okay, this is my opportunity to play.
All right, He's past all that he's proven the doubters,
and he's proven that he can play in this league.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So uh, if I was a GM in New York,
I didn't like Zach Wilson, I didn't like Daniel Jones.
I did like Sam Donald. Sounds like a three for
three from the old King. Oh boy.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
I still I don't have a landing spot for Donald
nexterre cal I.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Do time out. Where's the draft order? Anybody back there?
Have the draft order?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Right now? It's Vegas and the Giants at top. Okay,
there is a report. I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I talked about it on my podcast, but there's a
big booster in Miami who says cam Ward is going
to the Giants, and that's because Dion does not want
Shador in New York.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
So you let's just put Shador to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Okay, what cam Ward to the Giant, it doesn't matter.
We'll take Sam Donald. Okay, So take the Raiders and
Giants off the board.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Patriots don't need one, Panthers won't, Jaggs probably won't. Titans may,
but I think they'll stay with Levis. I wouldn't. I'd
move on. So I think the Titan are in play
for Sam Donald or do they go Jalen Milrow. I
think they would go Donald. The Jets won't, Cleveland won't,
Bears won't, Saints won't. Okay, Okay, So I'm saying there
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are two teams. The Titans absolutely are going to be
in play. Okay, Okay, that's just we got twenty two
more teams.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So the other teams are good and they have quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
I'm just it's a limited market.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Remember justin Fields last year, I said there would be
a robust market.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
You stopped.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
There really wasn't as things changed. I'm just telling you,
I don't see Colin. You look at the rest of
the league. It's like, what am I getting in Donald?
I'm not getting this guy who thrived in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
D Let me ask you if Seattle doesn't make the
playoffs or gets hammered in the playoffs, interesting mildly, and
you're gonna go back did Gino Smith? I think that's
one in play.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay, I'll give you that.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Yeah, it's a big if.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Though.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
If they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
There's no way Sam Darnold has one team.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I mean, I'll challenge you, like find it like Atlanta's
got Pennix waiting in the wings.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
You look around some of the other teams, like Tampa's
got Baker, they got their guy. I don't really see it.
Like New Orleans Saints they don't even have a coach yet,
and it's the new coach gonna say, I got my guy.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Sam Darnold, that's who I want. Like, that's how get
fired in two years. You know, I like Darby.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's had a great season, so you think he has
You think Tennessee is the only team that'll be When.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You said Tennessee, I don't even know that they would
go for it. Like I know he's better than Will Levis,
but is Callahan Like yeah, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Honestly, I'm dead serious when I say this. Would you
be shocked if Arizona moved Kyler Murray?
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I'd need to look at the financials and see what,
Like if there's a hit.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You think Kyler would have a bigger market than Sam,
I personally don't. I would I used to. I'm not
sure Sam. Sam, you get great intangibles with Kyler, you
get talent and knowing in tangibles.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
What is Kyler Murray. I don't know that was your guy.
Remember you were hanging with him at the UFC fight.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Let me throw another name out to you, Indianapolis.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I'm sure if you if you watched, I mean, I
like Anthony richards and the kid, and I like his
athletic ability. Dude, it's not close. I talked to an
executive two weeks ago and he's like, that's not a
good college court.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Remember they also said, hey, Joe Flacco gives us the
best chance to win, and within like three weeks Richardson
was back.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right, it's gonna be tough for darl I don't know.
I think he's a good quarterback. I am seventh great year.
I'm rooting for him. But it's like Jets aren't going
for unless they get Pete Carroll's.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
J Mack with the Nicks.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
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Speaker 1 (31:17):
So I was watching, like most of America was the
Rams beat the Bills on Sunday. And it wasn't that
the Rams beat them. They out coached them, they outplayed them,
they out smarted them. It was so easy. Kyn Williams,
Puka Nakua, Cooper Coup. I mean, the Rams don't even
(31:40):
have their starting tight end. They did whatever they wanted
to And I was sitting Over the last few years,
I've really felt there was a ten year period that
the Patriots were the best team, but I thought the
NFC had more quality teams. And then because so many
AFC owner and gms hit on young star quarterbacks, the
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AFC for the last several years has been up here
in the NFC's down here. I think the NFC has
again surpassed the AFC. When I watched the Rams beat
the Bills, I mean, the bottom of the AFC is awful.
Eleventh is Goofy Cleveland, well bottom of the NFC. Carolina
(32:23):
not not only almost beat Philly, this weekend. San Francisco's
the eleventh best team. So the NFC, to me, the
middle in the bottom is much stronger. Now, do they
have a Burrough, An Allen, a Lamar, A Herbert, a Mahomes, No,
they don't. And if you take out Matt Stafford, and
I love Jared Goff, but if you take out Matt Stafford,
(32:45):
he's about the only guy that you can put up
against the Mahomes, A Borough and Allen a Herbert, and
you feel like you have an equal or a superior
on any given Sunday or Monday. I mean, let's be honest.
I like Jalen Hurts, but Philadelphia coaches since the bye
have been taking passes away. And in the last four games,
green Bay is reducing the number of throws Jordan Love
(33:07):
is making. And I'm a big Jordan Love fan. He's
averaging about twenty two passes in this last four games.
And so Green Bay and Philadelphia, with good young quarterbacks
not great good, are saying we want our quarterback to
throw less. So I do feel like the quarterbacks are
superior in the AFC, and that matters a lot, But
I think the teams are better in the NFC. And
(33:28):
I just got this this morning. The NFC is forty
one and twenty nine against the AFC, so it's not
particularly close. NFC is back to being the better conference. Now.
The key is for the NFC because the AFC not
only has better quarterbacks, they're all in their prime. You know,
the Burroughs and Mahomes, Alan Lamar, they're all in their prime.
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Stafford's not Goffs, probably late prime, middle to late prime.
So it's essential that the NFC that Jaden Daniels in Washington,
Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, Pennocks in Atlanta, and
Caleb Williams hit because then you can have star quarterbacks
and the better conference. I will say this. Josh McDaniels
(34:14):
was on earlier. He was an hour ago. He was phenomenal,
And I asked him, if you went into Chicago right now,
coach or coordinator, what would be the first line of
business to fix Caleb Williams and the offense.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
What's in his bucket that he feels really good about?
And you start with that and honestly major in that,
and then if you say, hey, I think there's a
few things that would help us as a team, if
we could add these to your bucket. Think if we
do this, that helps us get the ball down the
field more. We can get this guy the ball if
we do some some of this. But I think, to me,
(34:51):
it has to start with where he's comfortable. And look,
these rookie quarterbacks, as we've seen, there's been flashes of
great play from all of them.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Some of them have hit.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
A little bit of a lull or a wall, if
you will.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
And then you kind of got to get him back.
And so I think, to me, it starts with what
do you feel most comfortable doing on a play to
play basis, Let's do more of that.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And I also think when an organization is feels like
they're a little lost at sea, like the Jets, you
got to hire a culture changer. The Chargers, they weren't
poorly owned, but after Brandon Staley you felt like, man,
you got to get the locker room back. They went
and got Jim Harbaugh. Detroit for years a mess. They
(35:33):
went and got Dan Campbell. I think when the organization
is dealing with a lot of turbulence, you have to
get a culture changer, not just a guy that's good
with schemes. Green Bay got Lafleur. He's a scheme guy.
He's developed into a culture builder. But they didn't need
a culture fixer green Bayzo was good, right. Green Bay's
(35:54):
well run. They didn't need a culture changer. Houston did
with Demiko and Mike Ray, to me, is the overwhelming
and obvious fit for Chicago. Albert Breer joined me about
an hour ago, forty five minutes ago on if Rabel
would be interested.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
They need somebody who's going to come in and change
what they've been. It's been fifteen years since they won
a playoff game. They've run through a lot of different
coaches there. They've vacillated back and forth between defensive coach
and offensive coach and all of those different things. And
I think they need somebody, and I think they recognize this.
They need somebody's going to put their foot You're maybe
going to be able to put his foot in the
ground and drive the organization in a certain direction. And
(36:35):
to me, that's Mike Rabel. Does Mike Vrabel want to
walk into that situation? If he's got options, I think
the Bears would want him. Well he want the Bears
is the question?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't know if he take the job. I
know Michael Little, I don't know if he take the job.
Not easy, and it does show you that Breer said
that Belichick and Rabel are both gun shy. I mean,
Jim Harbaugh, why do you pick the Chargers. It's like, Okay,
(37:06):
I got Herbert and a left tackle. We can go
from there and it's worked pretty well. So it's you know,
it's really funny, like, if you're somebody that has options
in life, what are you thinking about. I've said this forever.
You can't just chase money, chase good ownership or management.
There's money out there in a lot of industries, right,
There's a lot of money. There's not a lot of
(37:27):
great vision, not a lot of great management. And I
think what you're seeing is that's why what Demko Ryans
did with Houston is so impressive. I had heard stories
that when you know, people were going on zoom calls
and they were talking about like doing coaching hires for Houston.
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Some of the zoom calls were comedy. It was a
bit of a circus. So Demico's come in and C. J.
Stroud both very committed, bottom line, no nonsense, and they've
centered it. So you know, you got to consider a
lot if you got options, and there's multiple suitors, and
I think Chicago offers and the other thing about the
Chicago job, and we got to be totally honest here.
(38:10):
This is the best division in football. I mean, Chicago's
actually a really talented fourth place team. But Minnesota great
head coach, superstar offensive players, Green Bay exquisitely run, excellent,
excellent skill players, quarterback, wide receiver, now running back, tight end.
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Detroit could be the best roster in the league, great
front office, excellent quarterback, best O line in the league easily.
So you take the Chicago job, you are looking uphill.
It's like, you know, I've said this when Sean Payton
took the Broncos job. I'm like, Okay, mahomes read they're
going to be around a while. You know, that's Tiger
(38:53):
Woods in his prime. You're not gonna win a lot
of majors. So there you go. Mark sand will be
joining us in one hour from now. J Mac, have
you watched h Have you watched the Belichick story simmer
today or are you waiting for it?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
I have one eye on it. I'm just excited for Belichick.
North Carolina, where you have the Keys to the Kingdom.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Your show, great setup, you go to Chicago, have to
deal with this Warren versus polls nonsense.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Who wants to get in the middle of that Cold War?
No thanks, that's not a good job, and that's problem.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
That's the problem with some of these, Like I forget
was it McDaniels or somebody who outlined it was like,
do you want to go to the Jets and work
for Woody Johnson?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Now you're coming around on the power of the tar
heel brand.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
It's not the brand.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
It's just like I get what I want, I do
what I want. Belichick's gonna go in and be the
He's gonna run the show. They're gonna come in and
tell them something. He's gonna be like, thank you for
that input. I'll see you later.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Can't deny anything when you've got all the power. Carolina
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
I thought Josh McDaniels was outstanding, really really outstanding. Think
about this guy's got six rings. That's crazy, six super
Bowl rings. And you know, the head coach thing is
really really hard. I always say this, Belichick got let
go in New England, Andy Reid got let go in Philadelphia.
Head coaching, you are hired to eventually, even if you're
(00:53):
an all time great to be let go. That is
the reality of head coaching in the NFL. But to
be a great coordinator for year, year after year after
year really takes something. And Josh McDaniels for a long
time was the best offensive coordinator with the best health
coach and the best quarterback of all time. So there's
a story out there. I find this interesting. The Russell
Wilson contract. So jmak Russell Wilson has earned in his
(01:16):
thirteen year career. This is amazing. Three hundred and four
million dollars. That is a lot. And so Russell right
now is one of the best bargains in football. But
not for Denver. They're still paying him. He's a bargain
for Pittsburgh. Okay, he's not playing for free, so Denver's
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paying him, not Pittsburgh. Now, Russell wants a new contract,
and I would give him one. But here's the thing.
Russell is an aging, slightly declining player from three years ago.
That's indisputable. Pittsburgh has no reason to hurry. There's not
a huge market for him. And the other key is
(02:01):
let's see the next three to four weeks. The schedule
for Pittsburgh is the Ultimate Truth Serum at Philly, at Baltimore,
Kansas City, and then high scoring Cincinnati. They go two
and two, zero and four. Maybe he's not the answer,
So to me, you sign stars early, don't screw around
with top talent. But if somebody's a great fit, then
(02:25):
you can wait. Okay, and I think Russell Wilson is
more great fit than he is currently great player. It's
not a criticism. He is absolutely an upgrade at a
position of need. And secondly, he's not spectacular, nor is
he in his prime. And so again, Josh Allen, Lamar Herbert,
(02:47):
sign him early, don't waste your time, don't even go
to the last year of the deal. Just get it
done early. That's not Russell. And part of Russell's appeal,
and this may sound harsh, but two of his wins
are against Cleveland, and part of his appeal is he's
better than we thought. We came in the Russell Wilson
Steeter thing very low expectations and truck stop food is
(03:11):
amazing when you're starving. And he is now solved. Let's
be honest. This offense for five or six years was
awful and it's no longer awful. It's not high electric dynamic. Wow,
it's not Buffalo, you know, it doesn't look like Detroit
or Philadelphia. It's not those teams or the Rams against
(03:32):
the Bills. It's not that. But when you're starving, you know,
it's amazing what tastes great. And I think Russell also
has to come to terms with he's getting paid great
now for a team he doesn't even have to play
for So to me, Pittsburgh is a great fit. Now,
superstars work anywhere. Russell doesn't work anywhere. He didn't work
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in Denver, and he wasn't getting the Seahawks to the playoffs.
So to me, if I'm Russell, he didn't take a
player friendly deal in Seattle, nor did he take one
in Denver. This is probably a time for Russell Wilson
to go. You know what coach they draft, well they develop.
I got a star, semi star back, a star receiver.
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This to me is that you know, I've made a
lot of dough. Do you want to go to Aaron
Rodgers and make more money and go to the Jets,
or do you want to really be with a great,
well capitalized business with a history of winning. Again, when
you're a superstar, it's different when you're good and you're
(04:36):
a great fit. That's when I think money can't drive
the decision. Mahomes, let money drive a lot of it.
And with that, Albert Breer joins us, let's talk about
that briefly. They're in no hurry. Pittsburgh's not going to
sign him before the season. What is a number? Is
it a Daniel Jones number. Is it a short contract?
(04:57):
What sounds reasonable? On Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
You know, I haven't asked around as much on Russell,
but I did ask on Sam Donald, and I think
these things.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Are probably in the ballpark now.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Sam Donald's obviously a lot younger, so you might get
guarantees that go out yeah further.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
But yeah, I think Sam's Sam has now played his
way into the thirty to forty million wow okay per
years wow, which is which is where Baker was.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It's I think when you look at Sam, it's Baker
with inflation and so like. Then how does that relate
to Russell who's ten years older than Sam Roll? Like,
I do think it sort of sets the price. You know,
Derek Carr didn't have a huge market a couple of
years ago, but he let other players set the market
for him. I think that's probably the way it would
(05:41):
go with Russell Wilson if he hit the market where
a guy like Sam Donald, because of his age, would
come off the market faster. Yeah, and that would help
inform the Steelers and other teams what Wilson's were.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah. That that's really interesting. So you've done your calls
on Donald, thirty to forty, which I would be very
comfortable paying for Sam. I don't think you're going to
get the Minnesota Sam because he's not taking Justin Jefferson
or Kevin O'Connell with him. But I think if you
get some version.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Of the Jordan Anderson J Hockett.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, it's a really good fit. By the way, on
Donald one more on Donald? Yeah, my argument is why
not franchise tag him? Can you let an MVP candidate
out of the building. What are they going to do
on that?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
So this is like, this is obviously a Champagne problem,
you know, it's problem to have. There's too many quarterbacks,
and they they love what they saw from JJ McCarthy
up through August. The problem is they didn't get to
see him in September, in October, in November, in December practicing,
so they didn't get what you would normally get if
you were red shirting or rookie quarterback, and like, do
(06:43):
you get him back in April or do you get
him back in June.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
There's some variables there. So they can love the kid,
which they do.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
They can love what he did for them when he
was on the field, which they do, But there's still
some projection going on there that wouldn't go wouldn't be
going on if he didn't get hurt. And I think
the question for the Vikings becomes, when you've got a
team that can win right now, and you've got a
bunch of players that are ready to contend and win
right now, and a team that at this point is
(07:12):
eleven and two, can you roll the dice and be
willing to ride out some of the bumps that you
might not see coming with Aj McCarthy, or do you
buy the one year insurance policy at more than forty
million dollars because the franchise tag is going to be
above forty million dollars in twenty twenty five? Do you
buy that one year insurance policy with Sam Darnold, have
both of them on the roster next year and figure
(07:34):
it out after. I think they could do that. It's
sort of if you go back and look historically at it.
I think it's sort of what the Chargers did with
Drew Brees in two thousand and five. If you go
all the way back and you remember they drafted Philip
Rivers and four Brees had a great year. Breeze like
played much better than they expected. They went twelve and four.
They franchised him in five and then Philip Rivers became
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the quarterback and six. Certainly there's some precedent for for
doing that, and the franchise tag does give the Vikings
an option to sort of slow play this a little
bit longer.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Okay, so WIP Radio, you know this is what they do.
They get people worked up. Brandon Graham says Jalen Hurts
AJ Brown, They're not tight. Now, some of this is
We've heard it from Debo and Malik Neighbors and Ceedee
Lamb and DeVante Adams. Wide receivers are the most verbal
players in the league. They are, they have been my
entire life. Whatever. But so this feels like there's some
(08:29):
there's a real issue here. What are you hearing?
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
I think there's just there's a personality thing with Jalen
Hurts that that's existed, and I think as existenceency's coming
to the league, which is I don't think he's a
bad guy, but is he going to put his arm
around a guy and make sure that he gets the
ball to a certain guy and play k people in
the I don't think that's who he is, right so
you know, I think that there's that part of it
(08:56):
where you're always managing that to some degree with Jalen Hurts,
and again, like I think, like deep down he is
a really good guy, but there is that element that
you're dealing with with him. And I mean, look like
he and aj Brown had a great relationship before they
were playing together. But as you know, Colin, it's different
having a great relationship with somebody when you see him
(09:16):
three or four times the universus being in the building
with them every day, right, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I think they're managing through some of that. The
good news is, I think they've got an.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Emotionally intelligent head coach and Nick Sirianni, who I think
is very good at navigating these sorts of things.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I think you do have to manage it.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
And you know, like obviously there's the shifting and what
the offense is now versus where it was a year ago.
Based on the fact that the Saquon Barkley is there
and Saquon Barkley's having a historic season.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
You know, now it's on the coaches to to sort
of manage these things.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
And again, the good news is, I think Sirianni's good
at these things, and they've been down this road with
hers before.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I got to ask you the coaching search for the Bears.
So I said yesterday, some jobs are too big in
any industry for a first timer. Ben Johnson, Joe Brady.
There's too many obstacles and hurdles here. Brian Floor as
his coached. Now, he created some of the Miami dysfunction,
(10:15):
but he's a culture creator. I mean, you remember that
Miami season. The first eight games they were awful, and
then like week nine, their special teams in defense were
top of the league. He's got a resume, he's acknowledged
his mistakes, he's been reflective. He's done a great job
everywhere he's been, and even Miami he had success. The
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tow A thing didn't work. I think he's learned from it.
I think, however, he'd be my one A. I think
when you're a mess of an organization, you go culture
changer first, scheme second. Dan Campbell, Jim Harbaugh. I think
Vrabel's the fit here. To me, am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, So I like, first of all, like I think
the default for everybody in the situation like this, when
you have a guy who is drafted first, overall, it's like,
go find a quarterbacks guy, right right, Like when you
look at the Bears, and this is to your point, Colin,
do they scream like we need to bring in somebody
to work with one player, you.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Like No, like they need somebody who can do more
than that, and like they need somebody who's going to
come in and change what they've been. It's been fifteen
years since they won a playoff game. They've run through
a lot of different coaches there. They've vacillated back and
forth between defensive coach and offensive coach and all those
different things. And I think they need somebody and I
think they recognize this. They need somebody's going to put
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their foot maybe going to be able to put his
foot in the ground and drive the organization in a
certain direction. And to me, that's Mike Vrabel. Now, Like
my question would be whether or not Vrabel would want
to go there, because I think he's going to have
option Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
And Vrabel dealt.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
With a complicated ownership situation in Tennessee, with changing front
office structure, and they've got a new team president in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
They've got like old.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
School ownership does Mike Vrabel want to walk into that situation.
If he's got options, I think the Bears would want him.
Well he want the Bears, is the question. And I
think I'm with you on the leader of men thing,
Like I think that that's really that's very real there
because why they wanted to get a look at Thomas
Brown because he fits that bill And I think, you
know again, like the names, Brian Floor is a good name.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
He's actually a college teammate of Ryan Poles at Boston College.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Not sure if you knew that, wow, but there is
a connection there and he would be good for that
sort of place. I think Aaron Glenn if you want
to pluck from the division. I think Aaron Glenn's got
a lot of the same qualities that Dan Campbell had
when the Lions hired him in twenty one. So there
are some good names out there. But I'm with you,
I don't think that this is necessarily a quarterback centric
higher because I think they need somebody who can do
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a lot more than just get one player up and running.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
All right, No, this is a college question, but you
have an excellent knowledge at college football. The Belichick Carolina thing,
and I said this when Dion went to Colorado. I
truly believe Dion wanted to elevate the lives of young men. Belichick,
I think, I think he wants to elevate the life
of one man, and that's his son to the head
coaching job eventually. And that's fine. I'm a dad, I
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get it. It just doesn't he comes in with a
four hundred page binder. He wants his kid to get
the job. Carolina is because of their rivalry with Duke,
such an academic institution. They take academics very seriously, as
they should, and they're very proud of it. This feels,
I don't know, it just doesn't feel like it would work.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Let me take you through like what I think his
thought process is here, Like I think that the first
piece of it is he was, like my senses, he
was pretty stunned by the lack of interest last year
in NFL from NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
So that's number one. I think his preference still is
to stay in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Number two, he's had a thirty thousand foot view now
of the league and he's seeing how many of these
places don't have their you know what together right, and
so he's looking at the jobs that are open now,
It's like, do I want to go work with Kevin
Warren in Chicago?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Would I ever work for Whatdye Johnson New York?
Speaker 4 (13:59):
And then, you know, I think he's like taking that
and extrapolating and saying, well, if I don't like the
three jobs that are open right now, how many more
are going to come open? And like which of those
is going to wind up being ideal for me? And
set up the way that I want to do it?
Do I want to go to a place that's got
a team president that's going to meddle? Do I want
to go to a place where I've got a general
manager that I don't align with? Do I want to
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go to a place where I've got an owner who's
listening to sports radio and coming in with ideas every day,
like you know, and like, I just don't know that
the perfect situation exists. I think that's what he struggles
with he's struggling with right now, is he's got the
burd in the hand. Does he take that over to
in the bush?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
You know?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then the flip side of it is the research
that he and the people around him have done into
the college game and the way they look at it
is college football is moving closer to the NFL and
they'd be more equipped to deal with with challenges in
college than a lot of college coaches. Nil is salary cap,
transfer portal is free agency. Dion Sanders does no home visits,
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So would Bill Belichick have to do home visits? Probably not.
The rules are changing so now you can put recruiters
on the road so he can hire coaches just to coach.
He could set it up a certain way where he
could go to the third and fourth and fifth year
guys and say, come here for a year and I
will turn you into an NFL player. You know this
team is telling you your a fourth round pick, I'll
turn you into a.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Second round pick.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think there's a mod there's a path there where
I think he might be able to turn around a
college teams, a college program faster than he could in
an NFL program and just go and coach and do
it his way. And so I think that that is
where his thought process is right now. And I think
there's a chance we get in answer today on whether
or not he's going to be the next coach at
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North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Albert Breer Monday Morning quarterback. Good seeing you, Bud, Good
to see it go. One of the things Albert pointed
to is Bill Belichick and Mike Rabel don't want a
lot of these jobs. This is something I've talked about
almost ad nauseum, is that as the health gap has widened,
it used to be owners were worth four to seven
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hundred million dollars. That's a lot of money. But they
didn't like firing a year or two early. They didn't
like paying people, you know, nine million dollars to not work.
But billionaires now, like the poorest owners in the NFL
are worth a billion, some are worth thirty forty to fifty.
If Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk was interested, you could
have people that eventually are almost you know, their companies
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are trillion dollar companies. So it just rounding airs and
they get more impulsive, and they get crazier, and they're
just willing to blow out staffs. And I think it
shows you is is a is Albert saying that Belichick's like,
I'm looking at the openings, who wants to take the
Jets and the Bears job? And I don't blame them.
I think the Bears is is a lot. There's no
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way you can give it to a coordinator. I mean,
Matt Nagy, a very agreeable, likable guy, came from the
Andy Reid Tree, which is a good tree. Got him
to the playoffs twice with Mitch Trubisky, and they complained
the entire time. And that was with Aaron Stafford and
Kirk Cousins in their prime in the same division, and
then nobody liked him. So it's very rare. And I
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say this, there's six great coaches in this league, and
they're six to seven great quarterbacks and maybe seven to
eight great gms, and that's all the great owners there are.
Billionaire doesn't equal brilliant, are okay, it's a lot of
these guys are family money, never really run an organization.
(17:40):
It's a toy, not a business. They're NFL team and
they're impulsive and they you know, they've they've got their
personal issues and their family issues and they take it
out on the team. So you know, Rabel should be
the Bear's choice. I'm not sure if I might Rabel,
if I'd take it, and I love Chicago.
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The Giants are two and eleven. The Jets are three
and ten. This is crazy the Jets and the Giants
feudal season, says the headline is the worst record since
(18:32):
nineteen sixty between the two. It is a mess. I
mean I say this all the time. This weekend, I
gotta watch the Chargers with Justin Herbert and then the
Rams with Matt Stafford. I'm like our quarterback coach, Play
Harbaugh Sean McVay. The New York teams are a disaster.
And now I will say this, of the two colin
(18:55):
which one has a chance to get good fast? I
think it's the Giants for like four obvious reasons. Their owner,
the Giants owner isn't my favorite, but he's not as
impulsive as Woody Johnson. They also potentially have a number
one or a number two draft pick, meaning a rookie quarterback,
and five years with a rookie quarterback contract. Number three
is the New York Giants have more cap space next
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year than the New York Jets. And number four is
the Giants have an offensive coach good enough to get
Daniel Jones into and winning a playoff game. So the
Giants aren't perfect. They need a right tackle, an elite corner,
and they've got to get another weapon, preferably a wide receiver,
but a tight end would do. That's what they need.
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The Jets need an enema. Nothing works, the Aaron drama,
Woody Johnson, it's I mean, the top candidate is Mike
Rabel or Belichick. I don't think either unless it was
the perfect gm Vrabel wouldn't take it and Belichick wouldn't.
So I will say this, Jay mckin, I want you
to watch this. In the last three seasons, I have
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staked my claim to four teams being better than Vegas thought.
Remember three years ago, I said Minnesota Vikings. I said
they're gonna be the shock team in the league. They
won thirteen games. Last year. Everybody said the Rams were awful.
I said, no, they're not. McVeigh and Stafford. They will
fight for the playoffs. They ended up winning a playoff
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game or no getting to the playoffs. This year, I
said Washington will be the surprise playoff team and Denver
is double the win total. Vegas is predicting. So I'm
four for my last four on my surprise teams Vikings, Rams, Denver,
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and Washington. I may not have a great, blazing five
every week, but I love finding when Vegas misses on
a team's personnel or prospects. If the Giants land Shhoer Sanders,
they are one of two teams right now, I would
say would be my surprise team next year. They got
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to get Shdor. I don't think cam Ward can turn
you around that quick. They need a right tackle, they
need a corner, and they've got to get somebody beyond
elite neighbors. They just don't get any tight end production
at all. But I think the Giants I got an
offensive coach, I got a left tackle, I got a
great defensive front. I got a young star rush end,
a star receiver. They need to shut down corner somewhere,
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and when you have a rookie quarterback, you can go
pay for that. There will be a wide receiver and
a corner on the market. I would overpay a little
for a corner probably not a receiver. I just draft one.
Jmack with the news, No, no.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
That's a hard knock.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
Was on last night, Calhard and Mike Tomlins stole the
show again. He's got this talented young quarterback.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Joey Porter Junior.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
He's matching up with Age Brown and DeVonta Smith this
week on Fox, and Tomlin took some time to motivate
his young cornerback.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
You care more about it than I do. Yeah, you
know what I mean, because shoot, I won't be great
at the end of the day. It will be great. See,
it will be great today. You better push forward towards
it today.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
But they're gonna happen as flift as you like.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Oh, I love him. I think Tomlin has a very
much a Pete Carroll feel. He is a walk around coach.
He's a motivator, he connects with players, got that storytelling ability.
Great at the podium. Don't know if he's a schematic whiz,
but I Tomlin's value. If you go look at his
(22:43):
record as an underdog coach, He's unbelievable. He is the
best underdog coach in the last decade. So if you
back Pittsburgh and Tomlin into a corner, they come out
fire breathing. They're not always a great favorite, they're not
always good late, but they are when you back him
in a corner like Philadelphi, it's all the side. Everybody
loves Philadelphia. They got better players. I think four and
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a half for Tomlin is very tasty.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
Mildly interesting.
Speaker 6 (23:10):
So two quick things. So number one, did you see
Porter putting on contacts in hard knocks? Who wears contact lenses?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Now?
Speaker 7 (23:17):
I thought everybody got lasick? Did you get Lasik for
the eyes on him?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
I know I'm never gonna let sharp objects near my eye.
It's my dad was an optometrist. I'm not letting it happen.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Do you wear contacts every day? Wow? I had ditch
those while back Hi put one in, pop it out?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
So the next thing is Joey Porter may want to
get Lasik because he is the most penalized quarterback in Hansy.
He has got me grading out horribly for Pro Football Focus. Listen,
I know we don't do a lot of prop bets
on this show, but AJ Brown's comments Kellen Moore coming
out talking about AJ Brown's comments Joey Porter being very
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penalty heavy, handsy. This is lining up for an AJ
Brown big game in this matchup on Fox against the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Are you sure?
Speaker 7 (24:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That means less Sakwan Barkley getting off. What's winning for you? No?
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
No, they're gonna be going eight. You gotta keep him happy.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You have to.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
You can still the heavy dose of Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
But AJ Brown, I will say I would look at
his numbers over receptions and overyards.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
This is screaming like a nine for a buck.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Thirty two and two touchsdowns. He's getting one hundred and
thirty two yards against the Steelers.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Steel curtain defense.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Come on, dude, come on.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Pretty good? It's pretty good.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Oh jeez, all right, I guess we're on opposite side
than me. I like Eagles here, all right?
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Next up is the Philadelphia seventy six Ers.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
This it's been a rough season.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
There's your boy, Joel Embiid in street clothes.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
The Sixers are seven and fifteen, twelfth in the East
and Embiid man.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
At least they have him back in the lineup.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
The former MVP recently talked about recovering from his knee injuries.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's been extremely depressing.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's something that hasn't been figured out, and it's been
extremely annoying because I would love to play every single game.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I mean, Embiid is not like.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
In his late thirties or even mid thirties. He's still
a youngish guy. And for all these injuries, and he's
always in street clothes. I feel like we've seen peak
Joel Embiid.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Probably we've seen peak Sixers. Let's stop the game.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
I had credible NBA reporters this summer. I saw they
were saying, this is the best big three in the
league with Embiid, Maxie and Paul Georgan.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
I've sold my mbad stock two years ago. I'm done.
I like Paul George and Maxi, but they're not going anywhere.
You're not winning an NBA championship if Joel Embiid in
May and June is the centerpiece of your team. He
struggled in the Olympics. He was the only guy that
didn't fit the Olympic team. When are people going to
come to terms with individually gifted team fabric not great?
(25:52):
He is not. Now you could say, well, they're you know,
if you look at the net rating for the sixers.
I'm not saying he can't make them better, but when
you put him stars in the world stage, he was
the only star that didn't fit. He's not an easy fit.
He has the ball in his hands too often on
the perimeter. You know you compare him to Shaq. Shaq
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wasn't taking the ball away from Kobe eighteen feet from
the hole.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
Listen, He's had a good career. Numbers are great, but
his injuries totally stick. Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Final story is we need you to stretch before doing
your victory lap over your guy, Sam Darnold.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Okay is it?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
He's playing the best football of his entire career and
Vikings oc Wes Phillips knows it.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
We all know that. You know, Sam is gonna be
a sought after type of type of guy from wherever
that may be. Whatever his future ends up being is is.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I know all of us in this.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Building are gonna be happy for him, no matter no
matter where that ends up being. I don't think he
has to worry about that anymore. I think the worry
might have been Okay, this is my opportunity to play.
All right, He's past all that he's proven the doubters,
and he's proven that he can play in this league.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
So uh, if I was a GM in New York,
I didn't like Zach Wilson, I didn't like Daniel Jones.
I did like Sam Donald. Sounds like a three for
three from the old King. Oh boy.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
I still I don't have a landing spot for Donald
nexterre cal I.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Do time out. Where's the draft order? Anybody back there?
Have the draft order?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Right now? It's Vegas and the Giants at top. Okay,
there is a report. I don't know if you saw this.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
I talked about it on my podcast, but there's a
big booster in Miami who says cam Ward is going
to the Giants, and that's because Dion does not want
Shador in New York.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
So you let's just put Shador to the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Okay, what cam Ward to the Giant, it doesn't matter.
We'll take Sam Donald. Okay, So take the Raiders and
Giants off the board.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Patriots don't need one, Panthers won't, Jaggs probably won't. Titans may,
but I think they'll stay with Levis. I wouldn't. I'd
move on. So I think the Titan are in play
for Sam Donald or do they go Jalen Milrow. I
think they would go Donald. The Jets won't, Cleveland won't,
Bears won't, Saints won't. Okay, Okay, So I'm saying there
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are two teams. The Titans absolutely are going to be
in play. Okay, Okay, that's just we got twenty two
more teams.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So the other teams are good and they have quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
I'm just it's a limited market.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
Remember justin Fields last year, I said there would be
a robust market.
Speaker 7 (28:30):
You stopped.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
There really wasn't as things changed. I'm just telling you,
I don't see Colin. You look at the rest of
the league. It's like, what am I getting in Donald?
I'm not getting this guy who thrived in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
D Let me ask you if Seattle doesn't make the
playoffs or gets hammered in the playoffs, interesting mildly, and
you're gonna go back did Gino Smith? I think that's
one in play.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Okay, I'll give you that.
Speaker 7 (28:53):
Yeah, it's a big if.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Though.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
If they don't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
There's no way Sam Darnold has one team.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I mean, I'll challenge you, like find it like Atlanta's
got Pennix waiting in the wings.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
You look around some of the other teams, like Tampa's
got Baker, they got their guy. I don't really see it.
Like New Orleans Saints they don't even have a coach yet,
and it's the new coach gonna say, I got my guy.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Sam Darnold, that's who I want. Like, that's how get
fired in two years. You know, I like Darby.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's had a great season, so you think he has
You think Tennessee is the only team that'll be When.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You said Tennessee, I don't even know that they would
go for it. Like I know he's better than Will Levis,
but is Callahan Like yeah, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Honestly, I'm dead serious when I say this. Would you
be shocked if Arizona moved Kyler Murray?
Speaker 7 (29:44):
I'd need to look at the financials and see what,
Like if there's a hit.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You think Kyler would have a bigger market than Sam,
I personally don't. I would I used to. I'm not
sure Sam. Sam, you get great intangibles with Kyler, you
get talent and knowing in tangibles.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
What is Kyler Murray. I don't know that was your guy.
Remember you were hanging with him at the UFC fight.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Let me throw another name out to you, Indianapolis.
Speaker 7 (30:09):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I'm sure if you if you watched, I mean, I
like Anthony richards and the kid, and I like his
athletic ability. Dude, it's not close. I talked to an
executive two weeks ago and he's like, that's not a
good college court.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Remember they also said, hey, Joe Flacco gives us the
best chance to win, and within like three weeks Richardson
was back.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right, it's gonna be tough for darl I don't know.
I think he's a good quarterback. I am seventh great year.
I'm rooting for him. But it's like Jets aren't going
for unless they get Pete Carroll's.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
J Mack with the Nicks.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 1 (31:17):
So I was watching, like most of America was the
Rams beat the Bills on Sunday. And it wasn't that
the Rams beat them. They out coached them, they outplayed them,
they out smarted them. It was so easy. Kyn Williams,
Puka Nakua, Cooper Coup. I mean, the Rams don't even
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have their starting tight end. They did whatever they wanted
to And I was sitting Over the last few years,
I've really felt there was a ten year period that
the Patriots were the best team, but I thought the
NFC had more quality teams. And then because so many
AFC owner and gms hit on young star quarterbacks, the
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AFC for the last several years has been up here
in the NFC's down here. I think the NFC has
again surpassed the AFC. When I watched the Rams beat
the Bills, I mean, the bottom of the AFC is awful.
Eleventh is Goofy Cleveland, well bottom of the NFC. Carolina
(32:23):
not not only almost beat Philly, this weekend. San Francisco's
the eleventh best team. So the NFC, to me, the
middle in the bottom is much stronger. Now, do they
have a Burrough, An Allen, a Lamar, A Herbert, a Mahomes, No,
they don't. And if you take out Matt Stafford, and
I love Jared Goff, but if you take out Matt Stafford,
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he's about the only guy that you can put up
against the Mahomes, A Borough and Allen a Herbert, and
you feel like you have an equal or a superior
on any given Sunday or Monday. I mean, let's be honest.
I like Jalen Hurts, but Philadelphia coaches since the bye
have been taking passes away. And in the last four games,
green Bay is reducing the number of throws Jordan Love
(33:07):
is making. And I'm a big Jordan Love fan. He's
averaging about twenty two passes in this last four games.
And so Green Bay and Philadelphia, with good young quarterbacks
not great good, are saying we want our quarterback to
throw less. So I do feel like the quarterbacks are
superior in the AFC, and that matters a lot, But
I think the teams are better in the NFC. And
(33:28):
I just got this this morning. The NFC is forty
one and twenty nine against the AFC, so it's not
particularly close. NFC is back to being the better conference. Now.
The key is for the NFC because the AFC not
only has better quarterbacks, they're all in their prime. You know,
the Burroughs and Mahomes, Alan Lamar, they're all in their prime.
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Stafford's not Goffs, probably late prime, middle to late prime.
So it's essential that the NFC that Jaden Daniels in Washington,
Michael Pennix, JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, Pennocks in Atlanta, and
Caleb Williams hit because then you can have star quarterbacks
and the better conference. I will say this. Josh McDaniels
(34:14):
was on earlier. He was an hour ago. He was phenomenal,
And I asked him, if you went into Chicago right now,
coach or coordinator, what would be the first line of
business to fix Caleb Williams and the offense.
Speaker 8 (34:29):
What's in his bucket that he feels really good about?
And you start with that and honestly major in that,
and then if you say, hey, I think there's a
few things that would help us as a team, if
we could add these to your bucket. Think if we
do this, that helps us get the ball down the
field more. We can get this guy the ball if
we do some some of this. But I think, to me,
(34:51):
it has to start with where he's comfortable. And look,
these rookie quarterbacks, as we've seen, there's been flashes of
great play from all of them.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Some of them have hit.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
A little bit of a lull or a wall, if
you will.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
And then you kind of got to get him back.
And so I think, to me, it starts with what
do you feel most comfortable doing on a play to
play basis, Let's do more of that.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
And I also think when an organization is feels like
they're a little lost at sea, like the Jets, you
got to hire a culture changer. The Chargers, they weren't
poorly owned, but after Brandon Staley you felt like, man,
you got to get the locker room back. They went
and got Jim Harbaugh. Detroit for years a mess. They
(35:33):
went and got Dan Campbell. I think when the organization
is dealing with a lot of turbulence, you have to
get a culture changer, not just a guy that's good
with schemes. Green Bay got Lafleur. He's a scheme guy.
He's developed into a culture builder. But they didn't need
a culture fixer green Bayzo was good, right. Green Bay's
(35:54):
well run. They didn't need a culture changer. Houston did
with Demiko and Mike Ray, to me, is the overwhelming
and obvious fit for Chicago. Albert Breer joined me about
an hour ago, forty five minutes ago on if Rabel
would be interested.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
They need somebody who's going to come in and change
what they've been. It's been fifteen years since they won
a playoff game. They've run through a lot of different
coaches there. They've vacillated back and forth between defensive coach
and offensive coach and all of those different things. And
I think they need somebody, and I think they recognize this.
They need somebody's going to put their foot You're maybe
going to be able to put his foot in the
ground and drive the organization in a certain direction. And
(36:35):
to me, that's Mike Rabel. Does Mike Vrabel want to
walk into that situation? If he's got options, I think
the Bears would want him. Well he want the Bears
is the question?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I don't know if he take the job. I
know Michael Little, I don't know if he take the job.
Not easy, and it does show you that Breer said
that Belichick and Rabel are both gun shy. I mean,
Jim Harbaugh, why do you pick the Chargers. It's like, Okay,
(37:06):
I got Herbert and a left tackle. We can go
from there and it's worked pretty well. So it's you know,
it's really funny, like, if you're somebody that has options
in life, what are you thinking about. I've said this forever.
You can't just chase money, chase good ownership or management.
There's money out there in a lot of industries, right,
There's a lot of money. There's not a lot of
(37:27):
great vision, not a lot of great management. And I
think what you're seeing is that's why what Demko Ryans
did with Houston is so impressive. I had heard stories
that when you know, people were going on zoom calls
and they were talking about like doing coaching hires for Houston.
(37:48):
Some of the zoom calls were comedy. It was a
bit of a circus. So Demico's come in and C. J.
Stroud both very committed, bottom line, no nonsense, and they've
centered it. So you know, you got to consider a
lot if you got options, and there's multiple suitors, and
I think Chicago offers and the other thing about the
Chicago job, and we got to be totally honest here.
(38:10):
This is the best division in football. I mean, Chicago's
actually a really talented fourth place team. But Minnesota great
head coach, superstar offensive players, Green Bay exquisitely run, excellent,
excellent skill players, quarterback, wide receiver, now running back, tight end.
(38:32):
Detroit could be the best roster in the league, great
front office, excellent quarterback, best O line in the league easily.
So you take the Chicago job, you are looking uphill.
It's like, you know, I've said this when Sean Payton
took the Broncos job. I'm like, Okay, mahomes read they're
going to be around a while. You know, that's Tiger
(38:53):
Woods in his prime. You're not gonna win a lot
of majors. So there you go. Mark sand will be
joining us in one hour from now. J Mac, have
you watched h Have you watched the Belichick story simmer
today or are you waiting for it?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:11):
I have one eye on it. I'm just excited for Belichick.
North Carolina, where you have the Keys to the Kingdom.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Your show, great setup, you go to Chicago, have to
deal with this Warren versus polls nonsense.
Speaker 7 (39:22):
Who wants to get in the middle of that Cold War?
No thanks, that's not a good job, and that's problem.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
That's the problem with some of these, Like I forget
was it McDaniels or somebody who outlined it was like,
do you want to go to the Jets and work
for Woody Johnson?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Now you're coming around on the power of the tar
heel brand.
Speaker 7 (39:39):
It's not the brand.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
It's just like I get what I want, I do
what I want. Belichick's gonna go in and be the
He's gonna run the show. They're gonna come in and
tell them something. He's gonna be like, thank you for
that input. I'll see you later.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Can't deny anything when you've got all the power. Carolina
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