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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Our number two here on the Herd. It's a fabulous Friday.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd joined today by Alex Curry.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Alex, how's life good? I mean, life's great.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, I've had a week is it? Red Rocks on Sunday?
We've got beach life this weekend of the playoff games
all week, so we're just all over the place chair.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Alex, loving life, loving sports. It's going to be beach season.
Do you have any big plans this summer?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Alex?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Whoa, Yeah, I'm welcoming a baby girl into the world. Wow,
that's so exciting last summer.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, obviously I didn't know if you ever feel that.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Oh yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah isaid I did publicly
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Oh guys, yeah, so exciting. Drats, Thank you. I got too.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know, we'll see in a couple of years after
you have the baby.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You know, those first those first six months to a
year really Fine's okay, we're gonna be great. Yeah, it's
so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, we're gonna be fun and have fun. With Ryan
Hollins there shortly checking in ahead of Houston versus Rockets.
But I didn't want to open this hour. We touched
on it with Rick Buker's just down. But Yannis, he's
gonna be on his way out of Milwaukee. Everybody knows
that the NBA off season will wait for Yannis to
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make a big decision before Kevin Durant or any other
Domino's fall. And just before we came on here like
two minutes ago, uh, the producers are like, hey, j Max,
check out this video of Jannie walking around the streets
of wait for it, New York City.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Season ends for Jannis in Indiana. What's the first place
he goes to? You know it the Big Apple.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So of course this viewer, which is what is TikTok,
was like, oh, look there's Jannis walking around.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Here's the weird part.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Look at the people passing by Jannis. Nobody even does
like a double take or anything. It's very strange. It's like, oh,
who's that six eleven guy walking in the street, Like
nobody even looks stunning. Maybe that would be great for
Yiannis going to New York. The Knicks could be in play,
especially if they get dusted here by the Boston Celtics.
(02:32):
I'm gonna say I spent a lot of bandwidth yesterday.
Somebody on the staff was like, Jay Mac, there's a
way for the Lakers to get Yannis, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
You got me, baby, I'm a fish, reel me in.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And you know, it was the three of us texting
about this situation, and of course by overnight you come
to the morning meeting and I'm like, all right, so
this y honest deal, and everybody kind of looks at me, like, Jay,
you're not gonna do this, and I'm like, well, okay,
So we know Houston's gonna be in the mix. We
know the New York Knicks probably gonna make a run
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at Yannis. I would guess since he has two years
followed by a player option, everybody in their mom makes.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
A play for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You got to He's in the prime still of his career,
He's got at least four more years of being totally dominant.
I mean, guys, in that Game five loss to Indy,
he had I think thirty twenty and ten. He does everything.
He's really, really good. I know Sga is gonna win
the MVP. There's no way on Earth you could explain
to me Sga is better than Yannis. I'm sorry, it's
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just that's not a thing. Jokic amazing player. Would you
rather have Yiannis?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I know it's a toss up.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I'm a Luca guy, but I work with
the guys to try to make this Yanni's trade happen.
And it's like, all right, they've got a part with Lebron.
Now Lebron And again, you guys know, I'm a Lebron guy.
Lebron is the goat. Don't argue with me. There's an
avalanche of stats at evidence the points. Lebron's the best
pay in the history of basketball. Okay, he also loved
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Steph Curry and Draymond Green. The Warriors made a run
at him, remember two I believe it was two Februaries ago.
They made a running him at the trade deadline. Lebron
has openly talked about wanting to play with Curry. They've
been on Olympic teams together, all Star teams, they go back,
and we know Draymond and Lebron are tight as well.
So is there a world where Lebron would say, sure,
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do a sign in trade, I will leave the Lakers.
I don't want to be second banana to Luka Doncic.
I don't know that Lebron would.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Do that, but.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It looked a little clunky in the playoff series against Minnesota,
maybe just because they lost. So is there a world
where Lebron is like, yeah, I'll sign and trade, I'll
go to Golden State. Giannis would come to the Lakers,
and then the Lakers and Warriors would have to give
up like Austin Reeves, Jimmy Butler, Moses Moody draft picks
and that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
All goes to Milwaukee. It's a pipe dream for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't think it can match what Boston could give Milwaukee.
I k aka Jalen Brown and Derrek White or Jalen
Brown and Porzingis, whatever the combo is. Peyton Pritchard gets involved,
I don't know. Jannis is going to be destroying of
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
All season. I'm here for it. I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You know who else may be excited? Ryan Hollands our
next guest. He's been calling NBA games forever, played in
the NBA for a long time. He's fired up about
Rockets Warriors, tod I, Ryan, how you feeling? Man on
the e well, not the Eve or a day Oh.
Game six, big one in the Bay Area.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I'm astatic, man, This gets as box office as it's
been U. This is the biggest game since Houston lost
that Game seven. It to a Golden State and how
fitting against Golden State again. All eve and ears from
the NBA world are going to be locked in. And
you've got you got some bad blood, you got some
young blood, you got some old blood. Greatmond Green is
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gonna be on display tonight, willing and Dylan and chopping
and wopping against our guys who are attempting to Dylan
Brooks has inserted his villain card the other day into
the contest. But you have a group that doesn't fear
Golden State. They just are not old enough to know
what the moment looks like in tonight. The best thing
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in Houston's favor Jay McK and I want you to
hear this is that, although it may be a very
short span where you can see it, but our young
guys have started to get a taste of the playoffs.
And the first two games at home were new for
all the young guys. The two games on a row
were new for all the young guys. So in this
third game, you can expect them to be much better. Now,
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make no mistake, they got Chef Curry on the other side,
but in the favor of the Houston Rockets, they arguably
are equipped to play the best defense on Steph Curry
of any team in the National Basketball Association, and they
have made it concerned effort to say that they are
going to do their darnedest to try to take the
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three pointers away. And it's been a recipe. The defense
has been good enough. It's the free throws in the
experience on the offensive end that have been the problem.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Jay mc Yeah, you're right, they are equipped to defend Curry.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I haven't heard this floaded, but you know in boxing,
when you kind of the heavy boxer leans on the
other boxer to kind of wear him down, you know,
you watch Curry the last two games, Ryan it's not dominant.
Curry volcanic thirty five points. I think he scored a
total of thirty in the last two games. He's looking
a little tired. They're starting to rough him up. It's
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been a long series.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I'm just curious. Have you watched Curry the last two games?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That are the Rockets doing something different or is it
just maybe fatigue setting in.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
I'll say frustration, but not fatigued frustration in the sin
So there's different coverages. Okay, I'll give you a little
bit of it, and I hope you watched it. When
Curry comes off the switch, that man's switching extremely high.
Sometimes he comes up and he gets blitzed. Now, the
proper playoff of switch or a blitz is to move
the basketball, possibly go make a play. And what Perry's
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starting to do when he sees a blitz, he can
get frustrated and start to dribble as soon as the
Rockets are jumping into his dribble, and that's something you
don't want to do. You want to take your time
in size up and go. Secondly, when he's getting blitzed,
the one thing he's done a few times, he's trying
to dribble through that blitz and he's turned the basketball over.
So you're forcing the guy who's an electric dynamic, the
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greatest shooter of all time, to be a passer. And
there are moments where he has had frustration set in. Now,
the discipline, I believe it was what was the game
for The discipline from the Houston Rockets wasn't there. But
for Curry, I would say frustration more so than the
fatigue and this whole thumb thing. Dude, he's shooting the lightshout.
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And I'm going to tell you one thing. If Houston
the second, I'm telling you, man, there's been probably I
can count on both hands all these games that Curry's
gotten open looks, and he's probably not down at least
seven or eight of the ten open looks. The Houston
just playing phenomenal defense right now. But he doesn't look fatigue.
He's still that dark good and ever respect needs to
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be on his name.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Let me let me ask you that Draymond Green has
gotten into it with several rockets, no surprise, but he
he weirdly loves to go after like Eastern European centers.
He loves to go after the euro guys him and
Shan Goon like it's getting ugly. I'm just wondering, do
you think that refs need to get control of this early?
Because we saw.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Dylan Brooks and and Jimmy Butler get into it. I'm
and Thompson and Curry on the ground.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Listen, man, I don't want to see a fight in
the NBA playoffs, but I'm just curious, is it getting
too physical in this series?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Go to this J Max, go to this J Mac.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Because because when the NBA didn't compete, and when guys
were you know, didn't have the bad blood and the
emotions and remember all the jersey swap after games and
just shaking hands. Everybody complained. Now you get some elbows,
Now you get some words. Now you get these guys
beating their chest and competing.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Do you have to ride with that too? Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Now, in fairness to your point, the NBA made a huge,
huge and sent a huge message to both teams. I
can assume via email, via whatever that they were going
to clean the game up. And one of the big
moments of men Thompson, who was electric five steals in
the first half, looked so much like himself at home,
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and you can tell whatever happened to that last game,
it sat with him and it didn't sit well. He
got a huge play in and one and he went
to talk some trash and of all people, and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I want you to hear me when I say this,
J Mac, Dylan Brooks ran over. Dylan Brooks sprinted over
and he ripped.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He physically grabs Let me, J Man, he physically grabs
him by the collar and threw it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Men Thompson out and said, and that told me.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
From the coaching staff on down to the players, the
focus was basketball. So I'm intrigued to see what tonight
ends up looking like. But I'm seeing the growth there
and the understanding and manage hear me, the management of
emotion in the playoffs for the young Rockets to try
to figure out. And for those who think Draymond's just
a while man, Draymond just he knows how to play
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in that year and a lot of times he gives
himselves his teams a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
One more Rockets question before we move on the enigma
that is Jalen Green. I'm gonna read you a point
totals in the series seven thirty eight, nine to eight eleven.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
What's going on bro, what's happening with Jalen Green.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He's still going to college. Brother, He's still like you
guys forget man. Like three years ago and four years
ago he was.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He was playing high.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
School basketball, right, he was doing G League at night.
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You know, when you go to college, you're playing marsh Madness,
You're play in these situations. You play overseas, you get
to simulate pressure situations. He didn't get to simulate that,
So this is new. The best part about what I'm
saying is that he's going to get better. He's going
to adjust. We've already seen adjustments in that last game.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
No, he didn't have the.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Monster points with him, but his team won in the mentality,
the ball handling, the physicality that came out with it
was what you'd love to see and expect from Jalen Green.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Here's the noise, here's the frustrations.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
And what I know from knowing Jalen Green and seeing
him since a rookie, he's harder on himself than any
of us can be in the media or in the
fan base or whomever. But my focus for Jalen Green,
my keys that I want you guys to.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Look for tonight.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Is he in his stance defending, is he up pressure
in the basketball? Is he diving in for some offensive rebounds.
I want to see him do the little things and
then I know the points are gonna end up being there.
In a game like this, you gotta get it how
you get it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
J mc let's go to the Lakers getting dispatched by
the Wolves. Anthony Edwards, by the way, same age as
Jalen Green twenty three was pretty tremendous in the series.
Not a great close out game, missed all his threes.
But I'm gonna be honest, I did not see this coming. Uh,
Minnesota finished the regular She's well, nobody did.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Who's only coming.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We made. I was like, you need to pu your
bitch mother. You weren't ready to have them coming out.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Of the last Yeah, I had them coming out this.
I did.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Till you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Point like they were Lakers were favorites. You got everybody
talking at Lakers in five Lakers and six and it's like, whoa,
this was not a great matchup. Now, I'm gonna keep
it real with you. I did not see Rudy Gobert
scoring fourteen points in the first four games combined and
then having twenty seven in the close out, Like, what
are the Timberwolves right now?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I don't know what they are?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, they're still figuring out what they are.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
You know, this was the team that it was essentially
at centric, Carl Anthony Town centric. So now the expectations
were them to get out and defend.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Pressure to basketball.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
And for Chris Finch, he's always had success when he
disrupts you defensively and get out and run.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Now, j Max, I don't know how you didn't see this.
If you run this clip back, I tried to.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Tell you with they have to play five active bodies
who are at your head downhill and looking to make
prove a message.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
The Lakers are going to struggle.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Now, if they had a team that was focused on
my two stars versus your two stars, they would have
had a whole lot more success. I do agree with
you there, this was a tough matchup. But here it's
kind of the Western Conference. If they played Houston, they
would have seen live bodies. If they played Okay, see
would they're going to see love bodies? And clearly you
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just found out you missed around and found out what
the Minnesota Timberwolves. But it's the defensive end that the
frustration was there, and then you didn't play your rim
protector because what he does, even though you may lose
something on the offensive end, he allows Lebron and Luca
to rest, where when you go small, those guys are
expected to chase and exert the same energy that the
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Timberwolves were and that was a bad matchup.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Let's be real, Julius Randall had a career playoff series.
Did you see the stat that Rudy Gobert in Game
five had eight dunks, the most in a playoff game
since Shack. I mean he looked like Shack out there.
That that's out of body experience last year. Surely you
remember him getting cooked by Luca in Dallas, Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That being said, do you think the Timberwolves should be
favored over the Rockets or the Warriors?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
No, this is gonna be if we're gonna jump ahead,
I would not favor them against Houston because Houston matches up.
You're gonna have a fun series, likely six or seven there,
because it's the game of athleticism. Got him in Thompson
and Jalen Green, okay, and these in Tari Easton and
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these got in Jabari Smith Junior, and these guys that
can rip and run and get up and down the
floor with you. Golden State's unique because Golden State would
have to slow it down. And here's the thing that's
not in Golden State's favor right now. They ain't getting
no younger. Bumps and bruises don't heal the same way.
And now as these series goes on, as we even
look at playing against Houston and potentially don't even speak
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it to us it. I don't even want to say
these words of Bolden State in the second round. Brother,
that's where I stand with it. But they are getting
older and they're getting bumption bruises that don't last. And
Houston's putting out a model on how you go out
and guard Steph Curry and say, those other four guys have.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
To beat you.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So let me ask you about the paper clips and
Nuggets Game seven?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do you have a lean in that one?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Kids versus Kawhi anything there?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I mean, Oklahoma City's in the clubhouse chilling with their
feet up, having a my tie at Tom whatever drink
you want. They got all week to rest as these
two go to Game seven.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Now, we talked about this too, man, these two teams
could be the best in the last you were trying
to put the Lakers, you completely overlooked what a healthy
Kawhi Leonard would look at. And these are two as
even lead match teams as you can see. And this
is why down the stretch of this season for the Nuggets,
the big focus was getting home Cooart advantage because you
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knew you might have a situation just like this. So here, ah, man,
you're gonna listen. Here's the X factor. The X factor
in this game is Kawhi Leonard. Let's just put it
out there right now. The winners. The winner is likely, Okay,
the winner is likely if everything matches out even it's
gonna be the Denver Nuggets because they're at home. They
got Nictole Yolkitch as a bad man, and they have
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been doing a great job against the Clippers, who are
unbelievable on the defensive end of the floor. But Kawhi
Leonard is an X factor, a man who can go
on his own ten or fifteen or twenty point run.
He's a guy who can absolutely light you up. He's
a world champ, and he looks the best that we
have seen him since he was a Toronto Raptor. So ultimately,
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at the end of the day, if Kawhi Leonard decides
to turn this next game on his head, he's gonna
have a chance to do that. If he doesn't and
he just one of the guys is gonna be, it's
going to be the Nuggets moving forward, and arguably this
could be the team coming out of the West potentially
because this series was that tough and was that good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Jay Max, So, I know you're a connoisseur of the NBA,
and I'm sure you saw it, but Tyrese Haliburton's dad
came on the floor, was waving a towel and cursing
at Jannis. Yannis eventually tracked him down and was like, dude,
you know you need to lean back. We just heard
that Halliburton's father has been banned I guess from going
to playoff games the rest of the postseason. I'm fine
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with that, but I'm curious just to your thoughts. You know,
did your dad ever come on the floor and talk
some trash to it or poted like where do you stay?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If you're Halliburton, who didn't really call out his dad,
but he's like, yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
This is what players talk about behind the scenes. And
let Denier Hollands don't have my father anymore today. But
let him have been on the front row and something
been physical or someone been talking trash. It would have
been hard for him to sit back. Now, he wouldn't
have been cursing, but he might have been just right.
He might have been right there. And there's a reason
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you didn't see Deaniar Holland's on the front row of
these games. We know we got a crazy parent.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come on, Holly, I love your brother, but you know,
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
When you got a crazy pops or crazy moms or
a crazy uncle, a cousin, and you know who.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They are, you gotta put them up in the suites. Now.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I believe he should be absolutely able to see his
son play. These are treasured moments that he should never
get back. So I'm going for that. But he got
to go to the sweets right now. And my challenge
to mister Hollibert, I love your brother, you know we've
chopped it up. My challenge to him is to say,
allow your son to have these moments. Take your emotions,
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go up to the suite and go in and enjoying brother.
No one can get these things back. And remember this
is about him, all the work that he put in,
all the work that you guys and you watched him
grow and allow him to have these moments and also
stay off the internet, og, stay off.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
The internet, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
And he went to explain it something and I do
believe that he went out originally to trying to talk
talk Joannis.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And he's been involved in a lot of NBA games.
He's a very noticeable figure.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
And then I do believe when they came close, it
was like, I love you, brother, I love you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm here with you. But those are the moments that
the players are supposed to have. Those are the moments
that your son is supposed to have, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
And it's tough as a parent, man, I struggle to
watch my kids games also, So let's not villainize him
for being the father, but understand it's a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
To go the last one real quick. Who's got a
better chance at the upset? The Pacers against the Calves
or my Knicks against the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Pacers, Calves for pound, the Nicks, you're good enough, the
nick Town for pound, but they don't have they they're
pound for pound the Knicks. They're good enough, but they
don't have the depth. The depth is gonna be the problem. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And here's the thing. Boston can play in different gears.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Missoula can go big.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
To match up with Carl Anthony Towns and Robinson if
he chooses to do those, do so, and they kind of,
you know, all this debt.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He may put the double big back in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Okay, and now you get all these scenes trying to
go double big and what it is. Carl Anthony Towns
against Detroit got a lot of mismatches, okay, and then
he started getting downhill against Tobias Harris and it was
a bit of an edge there. But ultimately at the
end of the day, Boston gets dangerous because they can
go absolutely small and they're comfortable there with Juw Holliday,
you know, and those four all Stars are.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Theever We're gonna call Derek Wate Allstar.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Right, you can do that, or you can get big
with Porzingis uh in there in Horford or however you
like to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And they still have spacing, which is really dangerous.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
And Boston is probably from a spacing standpoint, the best
team that can go double big.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Now on the other side, Cleveland got their hands full.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And I'm going to tell you this right now, the
Pacers this season have been the most disrespected team in basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They were a team that challenged.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
They were a team that they ran into Boston and they.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Got worked out on by Boston.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But they challenged Boston last season and they were a
team that nobody looked at, nobody picked, nobody even sniffed at.
They moved to basketball, they played hard. Halliburton the most
disrespected young star in our game, which is ridiculous because listen, man,
you talk about there's a group of guys who can
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control the basketball game, Lebron at his best, Luca James, Harden,
Halliburn's in that discussion because he can beat you with
the pass and he can beat you with the score.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And you saw what he did against Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Okay, So howlla Burton is that darn good And there's
a reason that they played the way they play and
it's centered around him. So he's a guy that if
Cleveland doesn't get their act together, this could be a
very disappointing season. And I'm telling you man, Indiana is
really good. Indiana is legit. Rick Carlile, a coach that
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I played for, is as much of a masterminding genius
on the offensive end and knows how to throw some
you know, if you have something that you're lacking, If
you have something that you're lacking, he'll throw a defense
together that could give you a headache. Remember what he
did Lebron before, but Lebron really became Lebron and Dallas
won that championship with Derk Naviisky.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He can put some stuff together.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
So shout out to Rick Carlisle, And I'm telling you, man,
put some respect on those Indiana Pacers. J Matt, because
I know you like to talk crazy and you don't
like to own it. Because me and you talk. You
are going to own this liquer thing.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You didn't own this.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
You came on here talking about me and everybody else. No,
you gotta own this laquer thing.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It is multiple times. I'm still surprised they lost.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Ryan Hollins catch him on Fox Sports Radio Sunday's nine
am Eastern.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Good luck to your Rockets And I think Ryan.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Jan can we get you with so Rockets brands tonight? Man,
Maybe cool man, Yeah, you could get lead us out
of it. May come roll with us, roll with the
young man.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Thanks a lot rock good stuff coming on next.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Did one NBA superstar officially pass the baton to the
next guy?
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Alex Tourry has the latest.
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Speaker 3 (24:32):
Welcome back, Ryan Hollins calling me out about not owning it, folks,
I did it, and I went on my.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Podcast and I was like, how did I miss this?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
The Timberwolves were thirty two and twenty nine after sixty
about sixty games, thirty two and twenty nine, then March
Madness comes. I'm paying attention to the NBA during March Madness. Sorry,
great tournament. Wolves go seventeen and four to end the season.
Avoid the play in and I'm sorry, I just missed it.
It's a with a rare mistake by your boy. But
(25:02):
call me out, Hollins.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's all good. Let's go to Alex Cree with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
All your guests are coming in hot read James.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I know I want all the smokes.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Maybe I should start a podcast called all the Smoke,
All the Smoke Heat?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Is there one that exists there? I think there's like
a smoke. Thanks for having me on, Captain Jack.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Well, let's start in Dallas because the Cowboys new head
coach Brian Schottenheimer just finished his first drop. Since he
got the job, he's been preaching authenticity, leadership, and confidence
and shotty. Feels like he's gotten some players with those
traits in his locker room.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
I feel like we've got some incredible football players, but
they're also going to be influencers in the locker room.
They're gonna be guys that practice hard. They're gonna be
guys that that play the right play style. They played
to the whistle, are going to give us what we want,
which is, you know, four quarters and beyond.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I think they're still going to be the third best
team in the NFC East. They still have so many
holes that they need to fill. They need weapons running back,
wide receiver, cornerback. They still haven't signed Micaeh Parsons yet.
That's been its own like interesting situation going on. They
have a lot of holes are you are you buying
Cowboys stock this year?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
No, No, I'm saying some incredible football They got how
many guys on a roster fifty five or something like that.
If they don't have ten incredible football players? Do they
they have five? Is Dak incredible?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
How do you have to you're paying him? Like he's
an incredible football player?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Is he incredible? Is for his team? If you're what
do you compare you to the league or.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
The players on the team, Like, wouldn't he be considered
one of the top five incredible and team?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, on the team, he's incredible. That ain't saying much
since say won like five That's.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It's I've.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I've been fooled way too many times by the Cowboys.
Like I'm in the prove it to me now face,
Like you guys got to go out and you gotta
win some playoff games if you want to be in
this conversation of being a great team again, Like it's
gonna be tough, Eagles are gonna be great again. I
think Commanders are going to be good. Giants are still
we're figuring out what they're going to be. But Cowboys
(27:16):
like at best third third best in the nfcast.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, that sounds about right. They should. They should come
up with a hat that says make the.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cowboys great again, you know, like turn back the clock. Listen,
it's been thirty years, Alex, it's been years.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Come on, very Ryan's shot down? Do you I can't
even say of a straight face.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Okay, yeah, no, I think we're on the same page there.
But let's move to the NBA. The Timberwolves made quick
work of the Lakers in the first round. After the
Game five lost, Lebron went up to Anthony Edwards and
told him it's the next step now. Postgame, Aunt was
asked what the series win meant to him, and he
responded with we just beat the best player ever.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Ann has been very open about the respect that he
has for Lebron James. He talked about it heading into
the series, he talked it after, but like during, it
was all business. And this is a guy who has
so much confidence. He has been very outspoken throughout his career.
But he also shows respect for all the veterans, the greats,
(28:20):
and the big names that have come before him. And
I love that he's all business when he's playing them,
which takes a certain kind of player, but there's also
like a mad respect for who kind of paved the
way for him being like that next generation of great players.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I don't know if you saw, but.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Adidas released a new campaign titled The Kings Player because
he's now eliminated Jokich, Lebron, Luca, Katie, and Booker in
his last four playoff series.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So yes, yeah, I like ants. So I don't want
to go.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just think it's a what can he get to
an NBA Finals before we call him the slayer? This
is like Ruben Patterson having a great game against Kobe
and then calling himself, I'm a Kobe stopper now, Bro.
I love Anthony Edwards. They destroyed it what we now
know is a crap Sun Steam last year and they
eviscerated what was a good Lakers team.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Let's settle down. Anthony Edwards is amazing. He's box office.
I like him a lot. I'm a big fan, do you.
I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I think it was last year, maybe two years ago.
I called him the best in game dunker in NBA history,
and everybody's like, you're crazy, You're out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I believe that at the time.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I still think it is now okay and people are
now like, oh, you're not to.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Give Anthony Edwards respect? What respect? I love him. I'm
a big fan.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Oh yeah, like I mean put respect on his name.
He's proven himself, but like he belongs and he can
be there and he is one of the great young next.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Oh no, Alex, what were you doing at twenty three working.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
For the Angels?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
That's pretty good? Yeah, it was Sideline. Have you seen that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's this viral thing that going on Instagram him or
one of these like guys is saying like t Mac,
what were you doing at twenty three? Yeah, and he's
like averaging thirty and it was like whoa.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Then you know if away, but listen, he's twenty three
years old.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He took down KD and Lebron and Luca Like yeah,
he's really really it's good.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
But but what I love about it is he respects
them and he talks about it before the series and
after the series, but during it's all business. Yeah, and
that's what you have to do. He's like, I know
how great they are.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
We just literally be the best man.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's good though, Like he has he has the grit
and he and he has the style of play, but.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
He also has the respect. Yeah, and that's that's rare.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
It is.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's where playing folks in soccer and it was like
the best player.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
In the region or college or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, did you have the respect or was it like, man,
I'm before.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
And after the game, but during like we're equal. Yeah,
and this is all business. It's going down like, yeah,
well what he.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Does Austin Reeves is as my guy, but he's not quite.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He got exposed. It happens to the best of us.
He got exposed. That was one of.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
The amount of the amount of shots he missed in
the last.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Brutal.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
It was brutal.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Okay, let's go back to football for our final story here.
Travis Kelce is the oldest tight end in the NFL,
but it's coming back to play for another season after
last year's Super Bowl disappointment. Now Chiefs GM Brett Veach
talked about how much Kelsey means to the team, saying,
I don't know if I look at it in terms
of expectations for yardage or touchdowns or catches. I think
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that when he's on the field now, he makes us better,
and he does. J Mac like the impact that Travis
Kelcey has had on the game when he is healthy
is unmatched, Like him and Patrick Mahomes are one of
the greatest duos to ever do it, not only in
the regular season, but are the best in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So it's just we are being a realistic.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
What happens to an aging superstar, Right, he's thirty five,
he's going to be thirty six when he's playing next year,
and he's at a position where you get beat up.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
We saw it with Groum. He left, he came back.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Like these big guys that are getting a lot of
targets at the tight end position, it takes a lot.
I know you're not high on the Chiefs. What you
said a couple of weeks ago that you don't have
them making the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Crazy?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I said, probably crazy to take eight Chiefs bloggers. Can
I go an interview with you? Kansas City TV stations like, Jamack,
do you have a moment?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I was like, no, I do.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I said what I said, whatever, whatever it's But you
know Travis kelt you want to lookup his playoff sets,
final three playoff games not kind of in the Houston game,
just Buffalo Baltimore super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
This was a brutal year for him.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
This was an aging year. Yeah, I think it's gonna
get better. If he might have been September, if he's you.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Know, I'm not a prop guy. You go to see
comics sometimes Carrott.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Top is the guy who does all the props. I
should pull out.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
A note part with Travis Kelsey's face on it on
the playoff.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's a facting nowhere to be found. Where was he
in the Super Bowl? Malmes couldn't even get a throw off.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He's like one of the best quarterbacks of her time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Right now, Okay, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
This was that was hats off to the Eagles d Yeah,
they completely shut down cheats.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
They had no answer for that.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Let's see, maybe.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
There is fine. They're gonna be fine. Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News. All right.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Coming up next, we're gonna ask a former NFL player
if she doer is gonna win the starting job in
Cleveland and he also hates by twenty twenty six NFL
mock Draft.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Get in line, buddy, that's next.
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All right, let's get right to it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Jeff Schwartz Fox Sports NFL analyst played offensive.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Lineman for eight seasons in the league.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He's on the Bear Bets podcast with Felika Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
How you doing, man, how's life in Carolina?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's good?
Speaker 10 (35:31):
You know that that pushed to the end of the
NFL draft. Man, it's exhausting for like three days, but
now you're a little bit of resting. I'm already watching
film on twenty twenty six, guys, because why not?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What else are you gonna do? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Exactly. Hey, let's start with Shador Sanders. By the way,
did you ever make prank calls as a kid?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I did not.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I do not think I made a lot of print calls.
I feel I mean me me, I did don't know.
We know, obviously we have cell phones back then, you
to like find a number in the Yellow Pages and
call someone SAE. But I mean those kids, I don't
know what the punishment should be. Karma will get them. Yeah,
I feel like karma will get those kids.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It's a good point.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
As for Shaduur, the slide was puzzling. You know, we
could go fifty different ways. I just got to ask, like,
Dylan Gabriel, you're an Oregon guy. Yeah, you didn't even
think Dylan Gabriel was third round material? Like that was
the most puzzling aspect to take Gabriel then two rounds
later take Shador.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
The process there does not make sense unless you reorder
the draft for the Browns. Like let's say you just
in your head you reorder you have been thinking Sanders
in the first round and then Gabriel the third or
fourth or fifth. You'd be like, okay, that makes sense.
Or I mean, we saw Washington do this years ago.
They took RG three and they took Cousins. Cousin end
up obviously being the better quarterback that's been done before.
(36:46):
When you draft them in the third round and the
fifth round, it does feel like the process isn't great.
And that also leads to how do you split up
practice reps early in their careers because you draft the
Gabriel head of Sanders, so that tells me that you
think he might be better. Maybe you drafted Standers in
a value spot. He's your starter or he's your guy
taking reps ahead of Gabriel early on. But if you
just go based off draft order, that puts Dylan Gabriel
(37:08):
with reps ahead of Shadur Sanders immediately. That puts Shadur
at you know, third quarterback for now fourth quarterback, right,
I mean there's four legitimate options heading into the spring,
so it kind of just puts him behind trying to
win this job early. If the Browns just give reps
based on how they drafted.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, and I'm sure you saw Cam Newton wearing his
like uh wacky hat. Hey yeah, hey, Shadure, don't chase clout,
just work Because an example like it felt a little hollow.
I don't know, you're you're a former player, Like, were
you ever around a quarterback who came in with the
fanfare that Shadur will.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I played with Jimmy claus In.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
I mean it was it was a lot of fanfare
with with Jimmy's first year in Carolina, It wasn't quite
the same because he didn't have social media, and obviously
the familiarity with Deon Sanders, there's you know, Jimmy Closs's
dad wasn't a famous pro football player. So no, I
haven't been a situation where I played with Eli Manning
in New York. I mean, I've been in the spotlight
with the quarterbacks before, and I think everything they said
(38:07):
about sort of the backup role and y standers might
not be perfect for it is a fair point. Now now,
obviously he has the opportunity to prove a little different,
and I think this process, clearly they overplayed their hand.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm just surprised that.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
With the connections that his dad has the NFL, that
no one just told him truthfully, hey man, here's what
we can sort of see your son. Obviously, if they
were told over in the process, hey you know, your
son's graded thirty eight on or a big board.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
He's our third quarterback.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
Maybe they handled the process a little bit differently, But
they treated the predraft process like they knew they were
going to be drafted in the first round by a
specific set of teams.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It just didn't go that way.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
So but no, I've not played with someone just like
I played with Jimmy Classer and a bunch of you know,
he was a five star kid. It famously showed the
notre dame like you know, Limo. I mean, I played
with guys that have had some lore before, but not
quite the same as Sanders.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Let me ask you the Kansas City Chiefs. You are
connected to them, obviously, Yes, your brother spent a lot
of time there.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
After the Super Bowl butt kicking, I didn't see a
lot of activity and free agency that was positive.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Losing Tuney was surprising.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The draft, they picked a guy who's coming off a
major injury, and the track record for guys coming back
from that ain't great.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I'm just wondering, did the Chiefs get better this offseason?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Jeff, Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 10 (39:28):
They didn't have a lot of flexibility right with their
castans that they've never been a big spender for agency.
But they did address the tackle spot both in fre
agency and in the draft, and I think they drafted
well with the positions of need. They need to get
better on the defensive line. We talk a lot about
the offensive line the Super Bowl. They didn't play terribly well.
But the defense line did touch hurts either, Like that's
been ignored because of the answer of the offense. You
(39:50):
have to hope offensively that you know Rashi Rice comes
back healthy. Obviously there might be suspension there at some point.
You're adding another player back, Jason you didn't really have
last season, so that feels like a free agency ad
there you drafted another wide out. I think they're going
to be fine. I think that depending on what Travis
Kelcey did. He end up coming back obviously was going
to change how they did their offseason. You know, if
(40:11):
he came back. When he did, it was let's go
for one more push with this current core, and they're
basically doing that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's what they're doing.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
And again you had Rice in the offense, and you
feel like you're a more explosive offense almost Amelia. You
fix a tackle spot, you feel better about that. Defensively
to really the defensive team, right, they resigned Bolton, that
added some pieces obviously in the draft, so the right
where they need to be and they know how to win.
They know how to I think sort of conserve it
in the regular season just to get to the postseason.
(40:39):
On they ran against Eagles team that was just better
than them. I'm sure both Sunday.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I'm surprised they didn't draft a tight end with Kelsey
the way he ended last season, his worst season of
his career, invisible in the three playoff games. You do
a lot of gambling stuff. We've done stuff together. They
would eleven or zero in one score games. Jeff, you
know what historically happens the following year, if that turns
to five, six or oh my gosh, four and seven,
what are we looking at for the Chiefs next year.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
It's a good question, and it's certainly true, cause I
think when you look at like a team like the Giants,
who was one and eight and one score games, like
I'm sorry, I know that everyone's on there under this
season already there under five and a half wins, and
I certainly get it. But if Jason, if they just
sort of go back to the mean, they're gonna be
got over five and a half wins. Here's the thing
with the Chiefs, though, when we talk about one score wins,
we often talk about you know, it's sort of like
(41:26):
a maybe a not a sloppy game, but sort of
something happen at the end of the game where you
sort of you make a fifty to fifty plan you win,
or you know, or or you kick a lake field
goal to win the game. You've been behind all game,
you sort of come back and win. And that's how
we view those games, right. A lot of the Chiefs
games where the Chiefs just were up double digits in
the second half. There was a three game stretch it
(41:47):
was Carolina Chargers Raiders. They're up by at least ten
points in the second half of all three of those
games and sort of just bisD a little bit and
the game ended up being tied, and that they would
never down in those games at all. But it was
a one score game, so I think they're one score
game is a little bit different than other teams one
score games. But you're absolutely right if that comes back
to the mean, that's five losses right there, right or six,
(42:10):
and all of a sudden, they're not, you know, the
one seed of the two seeds. So I just think
we have to look at the Chiefs differently, which I
think is hard to do because they're just they're different
than other teams. They're not supposed to be able to
do what the Chiefs do and continually win. But they
keep proving that it does not matter the way they
play when they get to the postseason.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah, all right, Jeff Schwartz. We got fifteen seconds left.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Who's coming out of the NF seed the NFC cound
the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I think. So I can't find a better team right now.
Maybe something from the North.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
I just I think Eagles are just They're so good
upfront and in the middle, which is so important.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Wow, all right, Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You catch him on the Bare Bets podcast with Chris Felika.
He does TV radio podcast. He's everywhere, gambling machine. Maybe
I'll see in Vegas again. It's been a few years.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, I'll be there in July, so come on, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
What's one hundred and twenty degrees in July?
Speaker 10 (43:02):
Okay, whatever, it's no humanization the desert, yes, no human.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Good stuff, Jeff Schwartz. All right, coming up next year
on the Herd.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
There's a great win for my next last night, what's
going to happen against Boston
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Our number two here on the Herd. It's a fabulous Friday.
Jason McIntyre in for Colin Cowherd joined today by Alex Curry.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
Alex, how's life good? I mean, life's great.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Yeah, I've had a week is it? Red Rocks on Sunday?
We've got beach life this weekend of the playoff games
all week, so we're just all over the place chair.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Alex, loving life, loving sports. It's going to be beach season.
Do you have any big plans this summer?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Alex?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Whoa, Yeah, I'm welcoming a baby girl into the world. Wow,
that's so exciting last summer.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, yeah, obviously I didn't know if you ever feel that.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Oh yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah isaid I did publicly
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Oh guys, yeah, so exciting. Drats, Thank you. I got too.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know, we'll see in a couple of years after
you have the baby.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
You know, those first those first six months to a
year really Fine's okay, we're gonna be great. Yeah, it's
so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, we're gonna be fun and have fun. With Ryan
Hollins there shortly checking in ahead of Houston versus Rockets.
But I didn't want to open this hour. We touched
on it with Rick Buker's just down. But Yannis, he's
gonna be on his way out of Milwaukee. Everybody knows
that the NBA off season will wait for Yannis to
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make a big decision before Kevin Durant or any other
Domino's fall. And just before we came on here like
two minutes ago, uh, the producers are like, hey, j Max,
check out this video of Jannie walking around the streets
of wait for it, New York City.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Season ends for Jannis in Indiana. What's the first place
he goes to? You know it the Big Apple.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
So of course this viewer, which is what is TikTok,
was like, oh, look there's Jannis walking around.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Here's the weird part.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Look at the people passing by Jannis. Nobody even does
like a double take or anything. It's very strange. It's like, oh,
who's that six eleven guy walking in the street, Like
nobody even looks stunning. Maybe that would be great for
Yiannis going to New York. The Knicks could be in play,
especially if they get dusted here by the Boston Celtics.
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I'm gonna say I spent a lot of bandwidth yesterday.
Somebody on the staff was like, Jay Mac, there's a
way for the Lakers to get Yannis, and I'm like.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
You got me, baby, I'm a fish, reel me in.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And you know, it was the three of us texting
about this situation, and of course by overnight you come
to the morning meeting and I'm like, all right, so
this y honest deal, and everybody kind of looks at me, like, Jay,
you're not gonna do this, and I'm like, well, okay,
So we know Houston's gonna be in the mix. We
know the New York Knicks probably gonna make a run
(03:05):
at Yannis. I would guess since he has two years
followed by a player option, everybody in their mom makes.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
A play for Yannis.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
You got to He's in the prime still of his career,
He's got at least four more years of being totally dominant.
I mean, guys, in that Game five loss to Indy,
he had I think thirty twenty and ten. He does everything.
He's really, really good. I know Sga is gonna win
the MVP. There's no way on Earth you could explain
to me Sga is better than Yannis. I'm sorry, it's
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just that's not a thing. Jokic amazing player. Would you
rather have Yiannis?
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I know it's a toss up.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
You know, I'm a Luca guy, but I work with
the guys to try to make this Yanni's trade happen.
And it's like, all right, they've got a part with Lebron.
Now Lebron And again, you guys know, I'm a Lebron guy.
Lebron is the goat. Don't argue with me. There's an
avalanche of stats at evidence the points. Lebron's the best
pay in the history of basketball. Okay, he also loved
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Steph Curry and Draymond Green. The Warriors made a run
at him, remember two I believe it was two Februaries ago.
They made a running him at the trade deadline. Lebron
has openly talked about wanting to play with Curry. They've
been on Olympic teams together, all Star teams, they go back,
and we know Draymond and Lebron are tight as well.
So is there a world where Lebron would say, sure,
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do a sign in trade, I will leave the Lakers.
I don't want to be second banana to Luka Doncic.
I don't know that Lebron would.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Do that, but.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It looked a little clunky in the playoff series against Minnesota,
maybe just because they lost. So is there a world
where Lebron is like, yeah, I'll sign and trade, I'll
go to Golden State. Giannis would come to the Lakers,
and then the Lakers and Warriors would have to give
up like Austin Reeves, Jimmy Butler, Moses Moody draft picks
and that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
All goes to Milwaukee. It's a pipe dream for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
I don't think it can match what Boston could give Milwaukee.
I k aka Jalen Brown and Derrek White or Jalen
Brown and Porzingis, whatever the combo is. Peyton Pritchard gets involved,
I don't know. Jannis is going to be destroying of
the NBA.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
All season. I'm here for it. I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
You know who else may be excited? Ryan Hollands our
next guest. He's been calling NBA games forever, played in
the NBA for a long time. He's fired up about
Rockets Warriors, tod I, Ryan, how you feeling? Man on
the e well, not the Eve or a day Oh.
Game six, big one in the Bay Area.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I'm astatic, man, This gets as box office as it's
been U. This is the biggest game since Houston lost
that Game seven. It to a Golden State and how
fitting against Golden State again. All eve and ears from
the NBA world are going to be locked in. And
you've got you got some bad blood, you got some
young blood, you got some old blood. Greatmond Green is
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gonna be on display tonight, willing and Dylan and chopping
and wopping against our guys who are attempting to Dylan
Brooks has inserted his villain card the other day into
the contest. But you have a group that doesn't fear
Golden State. They just are not old enough to know
what the moment looks like in tonight. The best thing
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in Houston's favor Jay McK and I want you to
hear this is that, although it may be a very
short span where you can see it, but our young
guys have started to get a taste of the playoffs.
And the first two games at home were new for
all the young guys. The two games on a row
were new for all the young guys. So in this
third game, you can expect them to be much better. Now,
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make no mistake, they got Chef Curry on the other side,
but in the favor of the Houston Rockets, they arguably
are equipped to play the best defense on Steph Curry
of any team in the National Basketball Association, and they
have made it concerned effort to say that they are
going to do their darnedest to try to take the
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three pointers away. And it's been a recipe. The defense
has been good enough. It's the free throws in the
experience on the offensive end that have been the problem.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Jay mc Yeah, you're right, they are equipped to defend Curry.
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
I haven't heard this floaded, but you know in boxing,
when you kind of the heavy boxer leans on the
other boxer to kind of wear him down, you know,
you watch Curry the last two games, Ryan it's not dominant.
Curry volcanic thirty five points. I think he scored a
total of thirty in the last two games. He's looking
a little tired. They're starting to rough him up. It's
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been a long series.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
I'm just curious. Have you watched Curry the last two games?
Speaker 3 (07:40):
That are the Rockets doing something different or is it
just maybe fatigue setting in.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
I'll say frustration, but not fatigued frustration in the sin
So there's different coverages. Okay, I'll give you a little
bit of it, and I hope you watched it. When
Curry comes off the switch, that man's switching extremely high.
Sometimes he comes up and he gets blitzed. Now, the
proper playoff of switch or a blitz is to move
the basketball, possibly go make a play. And what Perry's
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starting to do when he sees a blitz, he can
get frustrated and start to dribble as soon as the
Rockets are jumping into his dribble, and that's something you
don't want to do. You want to take your time
in size up and go. Secondly, when he's getting blitzed,
the one thing he's done a few times, he's trying
to dribble through that blitz and he's turned the basketball over.
So you're forcing the guy who's an electric dynamic, the
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greatest shooter of all time, to be a passer. And
there are moments where he has had frustration set in. Now,
the discipline, I believe it was what was the game
for The discipline from the Houston Rockets wasn't there. But
for Curry, I would say frustration more so than the
fatigue and this whole thumb thing. Dude, he's shooting the lightshout.
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And I'm going to tell you one thing. If Houston
the second, I'm telling you, man, there's been probably I
can count on both hands all these games that Curry's
gotten open looks, and he's probably not down at least
seven or eight of the ten open looks. The Houston
just playing phenomenal defense right now. But he doesn't look fatigue.
He's still that dark good and ever respect needs to
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be on his name.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Let me let me ask you that Draymond Green has
gotten into it with several rockets, no surprise, but he
he weirdly loves to go after like Eastern European centers.
He loves to go after the euro guys him and
Shan Goon like it's getting ugly. I'm just wondering, do
you think that refs need to get control of this early?
Because we saw.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Dylan Brooks and and Jimmy Butler get into it. I'm
and Thompson and Curry on the ground.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Listen, man, I don't want to see a fight in
the NBA playoffs, but I'm just curious, is it getting
too physical in this series?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Go to this J Max, go to this J Mac.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Because because when the NBA didn't compete, and when guys
were you know, didn't have the bad blood and the
emotions and remember all the jersey swap after games and
just shaking hands. Everybody complained. Now you get some elbows,
Now you get some words. Now you get these guys
beating their chest and competing.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Do you have to ride with that too? Okay?
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Now, in fairness to your point, the NBA made a huge,
huge and sent a huge message to both teams. I
can assume via email, via whatever that they were going
to clean the game up. And one of the big
moments of men Thompson, who was electric five steals in
the first half, looked so much like himself at home,
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and you can tell whatever happened to that last game,
it sat with him and it didn't sit well. He
got a huge play in and one and he went
to talk some trash and of all people, and.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
I want you to hear me when I say this,
J Mac, Dylan Brooks ran over. Dylan Brooks sprinted over
and he ripped.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He physically grabs Let me, J Man, he physically grabs
him by the collar and threw it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Men Thompson out and said, and that told me.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
From the coaching staff on down to the players, the
focus was basketball. So I'm intrigued to see what tonight
ends up looking like. But I'm seeing the growth there
and the understanding and manage hear me, the management of
emotion in the playoffs for the young Rockets to try
to figure out. And for those who think Draymond's just
a while man, Draymond just he knows how to play
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in that year and a lot of times he gives
himselves his teams a chance.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
One more Rockets question before we move on the enigma
that is Jalen Green. I'm gonna read you a point
totals in the series seven thirty eight, nine to eight eleven.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
What's going on bro, what's happening with Jalen Green.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
He's still going to college. Brother, He's still like you
guys forget man. Like three years ago and four years
ago he was.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
He was playing high.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
School basketball, right, he was doing G League at night.
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
You know, when you go to college, you're playing marsh Madness,
You're play in these situations. You play overseas, you get
to simulate pressure situations. He didn't get to simulate that,
So this is new. The best part about what I'm
saying is that he's going to get better. He's going
to adjust. We've already seen adjustments in that last game.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
No, he didn't have the.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Monster points with him, but his team won in the mentality,
the ball handling, the physicality that came out with it
was what you'd love to see and expect from Jalen Green.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Here's the noise, here's the frustrations.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
And what I know from knowing Jalen Green and seeing
him since a rookie, he's harder on himself than any
of us can be in the media or in the
fan base or whomever. But my focus for Jalen Green,
my keys that I want you guys to.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Look for tonight.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Is he in his stance defending, is he up pressure
in the basketball? Is he diving in for some offensive rebounds.
I want to see him do the little things and
then I know the points are gonna end up being there.
In a game like this, you gotta get it how
you get it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
J mc let's go to the Lakers getting dispatched by
the Wolves. Anthony Edwards, by the way, same age as
Jalen Green twenty three was pretty tremendous in the series.
Not a great close out game, missed all his threes.
But I'm gonna be honest, I did not see this coming. Uh,
Minnesota finished the regular She's well, nobody did.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Who's only coming.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We made. I was like, you need to pu your
bitch mother. You weren't ready to have them coming out.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Of the last Yeah, I had them coming out this.
I did.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Till you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Point like they were Lakers were favorites. You got everybody
talking at Lakers in five Lakers and six and it's like, whoa,
this was not a great matchup. Now, I'm gonna keep
it real with you. I did not see Rudy Gobert
scoring fourteen points in the first four games combined and
then having twenty seven in the close out, Like, what
are the Timberwolves right now?
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I don't know what they are?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, they're still figuring out what they are.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
You know, this was the team that it was essentially
at centric, Carl Anthony Town centric. So now the expectations
were them to get out and defend.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Pressure to basketball.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
And for Chris Finch, he's always had success when he
disrupts you defensively and get out and run.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Now, j Max, I don't know how you didn't see this.
If you run this clip back, I tried to.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Tell you with they have to play five active bodies
who are at your head downhill and looking to make
prove a message.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
The Lakers are going to struggle.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Now, if they had a team that was focused on
my two stars versus your two stars, they would have
had a whole lot more success. I do agree with
you there, this was a tough matchup. But here it's
kind of the Western Conference. If they played Houston, they
would have seen live bodies. If they played Okay, see
would they're going to see love bodies? And clearly you
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just found out you missed around and found out what
the Minnesota Timberwolves. But it's the defensive end that the
frustration was there, and then you didn't play your rim
protector because what he does, even though you may lose
something on the offensive end, he allows Lebron and Luca
to rest, where when you go small, those guys are
expected to chase and exert the same energy that the
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Timberwolves were and that was a bad matchup.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Let's be real, Julius Randall had a career playoff series.
Did you see the stat that Rudy Gobert in Game
five had eight dunks, the most in a playoff game
since Shack. I mean he looked like Shack out there.
That that's out of body experience last year. Surely you
remember him getting cooked by Luca in Dallas, Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
You remember that.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
That being said, do you think the Timberwolves should be
favored over the Rockets or the Warriors?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
No, this is gonna be if we're gonna jump ahead,
I would not favor them against Houston because Houston matches up.
You're gonna have a fun series, likely six or seven there,
because it's the game of athleticism. Got him in Thompson
and Jalen Green, okay, and these in Tari Easton and
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these got in Jabari Smith Junior, and these guys that
can rip and run and get up and down the
floor with you. Golden State's unique because Golden State would
have to slow it down. And here's the thing that's
not in Golden State's favor right now. They ain't getting
no younger. Bumps and bruises don't heal the same way.
And now as these series goes on, as we even
look at playing against Houston and potentially don't even speak
(16:26):
it to us it. I don't even want to say
these words of Bolden State in the second round. Brother,
that's where I stand with it. But they are getting
older and they're getting bumption bruises that don't last. And
Houston's putting out a model on how you go out
and guard Steph Curry and say, those other four guys have.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
To beat you.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So let me ask you about the paper clips and
Nuggets Game seven?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do you have a lean in that one?
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Yo?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Kids versus Kawhi anything there?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I mean, Oklahoma City's in the clubhouse chilling with their
feet up, having a my tie at Tom whatever drink
you want. They got all week to rest as these
two go to Game seven.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Now, we talked about this too, man, these two teams
could be the best in the last you were trying
to put the Lakers, you completely overlooked what a healthy
Kawhi Leonard would look at. And these are two as
even lead match teams as you can see. And this
is why down the stretch of this season for the Nuggets,
the big focus was getting home Cooart advantage because you
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knew you might have a situation just like this. So here, ah, man,
you're gonna listen. Here's the X factor. The X factor
in this game is Kawhi Leonard. Let's just put it
out there right now. The winners. The winner is likely, Okay,
the winner is likely if everything matches out even it's
gonna be the Denver Nuggets because they're at home. They
got Nictole Yolkitch as a bad man, and they have
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been doing a great job against the Clippers, who are
unbelievable on the defensive end of the floor. But Kawhi
Leonard is an X factor, a man who can go
on his own ten or fifteen or twenty point run.
He's a guy who can absolutely light you up. He's
a world champ, and he looks the best that we
have seen him since he was a Toronto Raptor. So ultimately,
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at the end of the day, if Kawhi Leonard decides
to turn this next game on his head, he's gonna
have a chance to do that. If he doesn't and
he just one of the guys is gonna be, it's
going to be the Nuggets moving forward, and arguably this
could be the team coming out of the West potentially
because this series was that tough and was that good.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Jay Max, So, I know you're a connoisseur of the NBA,
and I'm sure you saw it, but Tyrese Haliburton's dad
came on the floor, was waving a towel and cursing
at Jannis. Yannis eventually tracked him down and was like, dude,
you know you need to lean back. We just heard
that Halliburton's father has been banned I guess from going
to playoff games the rest of the postseason. I'm fine
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with that, but I'm curious just to your thoughts. You know,
did your dad ever come on the floor and talk
some trash to it or poted like where do you stay?
Speaker 6 (18:55):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
If you're Halliburton, who didn't really call out his dad,
but he's like, yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
This is what players talk about behind the scenes. And
let Denier Hollands don't have my father anymore today. But
let him have been on the front row and something
been physical or someone been talking trash. It would have
been hard for him to sit back. Now, he wouldn't
have been cursing, but he might have been just right.
He might have been right there. And there's a reason
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you didn't see Deaniar Holland's on the front row of
these games. We know we got a crazy parent.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Come on, Holly, I love your brother, but you know,
you know.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
When you got a crazy pops or crazy moms or
a crazy uncle, a cousin, and you know who.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
They are, you gotta put them up in the suites. Now.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
I believe he should be absolutely able to see his
son play. These are treasured moments that he should never
get back. So I'm going for that. But he got
to go to the sweets right now. And my challenge
to mister Hollibert, I love your brother, you know we've
chopped it up. My challenge to him is to say,
allow your son to have these moments. Take your emotions,
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go up to the suite and go in and enjoying brother.
No one can get these things back. And remember this
is about him, all the work that he put in,
all the work that you guys and you watched him
grow and allow him to have these moments and also
stay off the internet, og, stay off.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
The internet, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
And he went to explain it something and I do
believe that he went out originally to trying to talk
talk Joannis.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And he's been involved in a lot of NBA games.
He's a very noticeable figure.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
And then I do believe when they came close, it
was like, I love you, brother, I love you.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm here with you. But those are the moments that
the players are supposed to have. Those are the moments
that your son is supposed to have, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
And it's tough as a parent, man, I struggle to
watch my kids games also, So let's not villainize him
for being the father, but understand it's a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
To go the last one real quick. Who's got a
better chance at the upset? The Pacers against the Calves
or my Knicks against the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Pacers, Calves for pound, the Nicks, you're good enough, the
nick Town for pound, but they don't have they they're
pound for pound the Knicks. They're good enough, but they
don't have the depth. The depth is gonna be the problem. Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And here's the thing. Boston can play in different gears.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Missoula can go big.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
To match up with Carl Anthony Towns and Robinson if
he chooses to do those, do so, and they kind of,
you know, all this debt.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
He may put the double big back in the NBA.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
Okay, and now you get all these scenes trying to
go double big and what it is. Carl Anthony Towns
against Detroit got a lot of mismatches, okay, and then
he started getting downhill against Tobias Harris and it was
a bit of an edge there. But ultimately at the
end of the day, Boston gets dangerous because they can
go absolutely small and they're comfortable there with Juw Holliday,
you know, and those four all Stars are.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Theever We're gonna call Derek Wate Allstar.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Right, you can do that, or you can get big
with Porzingis uh in there in Horford or however you
like to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
And they still have spacing, which is really dangerous.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
And Boston is probably from a spacing standpoint, the best
team that can go double big.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Now on the other side, Cleveland got their hands full.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
And I'm going to tell you this right now, the
Pacers this season have been the most disrespected team in basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
They were a team that challenged.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
They were a team that they ran into Boston and they.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Got worked out on by Boston.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But they challenged Boston last season and they were a
team that nobody looked at, nobody picked, nobody even sniffed at.
They moved to basketball, they played hard. Halliburton the most
disrespected young star in our game, which is ridiculous because listen, man,
you talk about there's a group of guys who can
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control the basketball game, Lebron at his best, Luca James, Harden,
Halliburn's in that discussion because he can beat you with
the pass and he can beat you with the score.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And you saw what he did against Milwaukee.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
Okay, So howlla Burton is that darn good And there's
a reason that they played the way they play and
it's centered around him. So he's a guy that if
Cleveland doesn't get their act together, this could be a
very disappointing season. And I'm telling you man, Indiana is
really good. Indiana is legit. Rick Carlile, a coach that
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I played for, is as much of a masterminding genius
on the offensive end and knows how to throw some
you know, if you have something that you're lacking, If
you have something that you're lacking, he'll throw a defense
together that could give you a headache. Remember what he
did Lebron before, but Lebron really became Lebron and Dallas
won that championship with Derk Naviisky.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
He can put some stuff together.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
So shout out to Rick Carlisle, And I'm telling you, man,
put some respect on those Indiana Pacers. J Matt, because
I know you like to talk crazy and you don't
like to own it. Because me and you talk. You
are going to own this liquer thing.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
You didn't own this.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
You came on here talking about me and everybody else. No,
you gotta own this laquer thing.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
It is multiple times. I'm still surprised they lost.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Ryan Hollins catch him on Fox Sports Radio Sunday's nine
am Eastern.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Good luck to your Rockets And I think Ryan.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Jan can we get you with so Rockets brands tonight? Man,
Maybe cool man, Yeah, you could get lead us out
of it. May come roll with us, roll with the
young man.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Thanks a lot rock good stuff coming on next.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
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Speaker 3 (24:32):
Welcome back, Ryan Hollins calling me out about not owning it, folks,
I did it, and I went on my.
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Podcast and I was like, how did I miss this?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (24:42):
The Timberwolves were thirty two and twenty nine after sixty
about sixty games, thirty two and twenty nine, then March
Madness comes. I'm paying attention to the NBA during March Madness. Sorry,
great tournament. Wolves go seventeen and four to end the season.
Avoid the play in and I'm sorry, I just missed it.
It's a with a rare mistake by your boy. But
(25:02):
call me out, Hollins.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's all good. Let's go to Alex Cree with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
This is the headline news.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
All your guests are coming in hot read James.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I know I want all the smokes.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Maybe I should start a podcast called all the Smoke,
All the Smoke Heat?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Is there one that exists there? I think there's like
a smoke. Thanks for having me on, Captain Jack.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Well, let's start in Dallas because the Cowboys new head
coach Brian Schottenheimer just finished his first drop. Since he
got the job, he's been preaching authenticity, leadership, and confidence
and shotty. Feels like he's gotten some players with those
traits in his locker room.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
I feel like we've got some incredible football players, but
they're also going to be influencers in the locker room.
They're gonna be guys that practice hard. They're gonna be
guys that that play the right play style. They played
to the whistle, are going to give us what we want,
which is, you know, four quarters and beyond.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
I think they're still going to be the third best
team in the NFC East. They still have so many
holes that they need to fill. They need weapons running back,
wide receiver, cornerback. They still haven't signed Micaeh Parsons yet.
That's been its own like interesting situation going on. They
have a lot of holes are you are you buying
Cowboys stock this year?
Speaker 3 (26:19):
No, No, I'm saying some incredible football They got how
many guys on a roster fifty five or something like that.
If they don't have ten incredible football players? Do they
they have five? Is Dak incredible?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
How do you have to you're paying him? Like he's
an incredible football player?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
Is he incredible? Is for his team? If you're what
do you compare you to the league or.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
The players on the team, Like, wouldn't he be considered
one of the top five incredible and team?
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yes, on the team, he's incredible. That ain't saying much
since say won like five That's.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
It's I've.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I've been fooled way too many times by the Cowboys.
Like I'm in the prove it to me now face,
Like you guys got to go out and you gotta
win some playoff games if you want to be in
this conversation of being a great team again, Like it's
gonna be tough, Eagles are gonna be great again. I
think Commanders are going to be good. Giants are still
we're figuring out what they're going to be. But Cowboys
(27:16):
like at best third third best in the nfcast.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Yeah, that sounds about right. They should. They should come
up with a hat that says make the.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cowboys great again, you know, like turn back the clock. Listen,
it's been thirty years, Alex, it's been years.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Come on, very Ryan's shot down? Do you I can't
even say of a straight face.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
Okay, yeah, no, I think we're on the same page there.
But let's move to the NBA. The Timberwolves made quick
work of the Lakers in the first round. After the
Game five lost, Lebron went up to Anthony Edwards and
told him it's the next step now. Postgame, Aunt was
asked what the series win meant to him, and he
responded with we just beat the best player ever.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Ann has been very open about the respect that he
has for Lebron James. He talked about it heading into
the series, he talked it after, but like during, it
was all business. And this is a guy who has
so much confidence. He has been very outspoken throughout his career.
But he also shows respect for all the veterans, the greats,
(28:20):
and the big names that have come before him. And
I love that he's all business when he's playing them,
which takes a certain kind of player, but there's also
like a mad respect for who kind of paved the
way for him being like that next generation of great players.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I don't know if you saw, but.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Adidas released a new campaign titled The Kings Player because
he's now eliminated Jokich, Lebron, Luca, Katie, and Booker in
his last four playoff series.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
So yes, yeah, I like ants. So I don't want
to go.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just think it's a what can he get to
an NBA Finals before we call him the slayer? This
is like Ruben Patterson having a great game against Kobe
and then calling himself, I'm a Kobe stopper now, Bro.
I love Anthony Edwards. They destroyed it what we now
know is a crap Sun Steam last year and they
eviscerated what was a good Lakers team.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Let's settle down. Anthony Edwards is amazing. He's box office.
I like him a lot. I'm a big fan, do you.
I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I think it was last year, maybe two years ago.
I called him the best in game dunker in NBA history,
and everybody's like, you're crazy, You're out of your mind.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm telling you.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I believe that at the time.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I still think it is now okay and people are
now like, oh, you're not to.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Give Anthony Edwards respect? What respect? I love him. I'm
a big fan.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Oh yeah, like I mean put respect on his name.
He's proven himself, but like he belongs and he can
be there and he is one of the great young next.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Oh no, Alex, what were you doing at twenty three working.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
For the Angels?
Speaker 4 (29:54):
That's pretty good? Yeah, it was Sideline. Have you seen that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
There's this viral thing that going on Instagram him or
one of these like guys is saying like t Mac,
what were you doing at twenty three? Yeah, and he's
like averaging thirty and it was like whoa.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
Then you know if away, but listen, he's twenty three
years old.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He took down KD and Lebron and Luca Like yeah,
he's really really it's good.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
But but what I love about it is he respects
them and he talks about it before the series and
after the series, but during it's all business. Yeah, and
that's what you have to do. He's like, I know
how great they are.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
We just literally be the best man.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It's good though, Like he has he has the grit
and he and he has the style of play, but.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
He also has the respect. Yeah, and that's that's rare.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
It is.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's where playing folks in soccer and it was like
the best player.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
In the region or college or whatever.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, did you have the respect or was it like, man,
I'm before.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
And after the game, but during like we're equal. Yeah,
and this is all business. It's going down like, yeah,
well what he.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Does Austin Reeves is as my guy, but he's not quite.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
He got exposed. It happens to the best of us.
He got exposed. That was one of.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
The amount of the amount of shots he missed in
the last.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Brutal.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
It was brutal.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Okay, let's go back to football for our final story here.
Travis Kelce is the oldest tight end in the NFL,
but it's coming back to play for another season after
last year's Super Bowl disappointment. Now Chiefs GM Brett Veach
talked about how much Kelsey means to the team, saying,
I don't know if I look at it in terms
of expectations for yardage or touchdowns or catches. I think
(31:36):
that when he's on the field now, he makes us better,
and he does. J Mac like the impact that Travis
Kelcey has had on the game when he is healthy
is unmatched, Like him and Patrick Mahomes are one of
the greatest duos to ever do it, not only in
the regular season, but are the best in the postseason.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So it's just we are being a realistic.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
What happens to an aging superstar, Right, he's thirty five,
he's going to be thirty six when he's playing next year,
and he's at a position where you get beat up.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
We saw it with Groum. He left, he came back.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Like these big guys that are getting a lot of
targets at the tight end position, it takes a lot.
I know you're not high on the Chiefs. What you
said a couple of weeks ago that you don't have
them making the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Crazy?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I said, probably crazy to take eight Chiefs bloggers. Can
I go an interview with you? Kansas City TV stations like, Jamack,
do you have a moment?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I was like, no, I do.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I said what I said, whatever, whatever it's But you
know Travis kelt you want to lookup his playoff sets,
final three playoff games not kind of in the Houston game,
just Buffalo Baltimore super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
This was a brutal year for him.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
This was an aging year. Yeah, I think it's gonna
get better. If he might have been September, if he's you.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Know, I'm not a prop guy. You go to see
comics sometimes Carrott.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Top is the guy who does all the props. I
should pull out.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
A note part with Travis Kelsey's face on it on
the playoff.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's a facting nowhere to be found. Where was he
in the Super Bowl? Malmes couldn't even get a throw off.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
He's like one of the best quarterbacks of her time.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Right now, Okay, it's fine.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
This was that was hats off to the Eagles d Yeah,
they completely shut down cheats.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
They had no answer for that.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Let's see, maybe.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
There is fine. They're gonna be fine. Alex with the news.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News. All right.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Coming up next, we're gonna ask a former NFL player
if she doer is gonna win the starting job in
Cleveland and he also hates by twenty twenty six NFL
mock Draft.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Get in line, buddy, that's next.
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All right, let's get right to it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Jeff Schwartz Fox Sports NFL analyst played offensive.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Lineman for eight seasons in the league.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He's on the Bear Bets podcast with Felika Schwartz.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
How you doing, man, how's life in Carolina?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
It's good?
Speaker 10 (35:31):
You know that that pushed to the end of the
NFL draft. Man, it's exhausting for like three days, but
now you're a little bit of resting. I'm already watching
film on twenty twenty six, guys, because why not?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
What else are you gonna do? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Exactly. Hey, let's start with Shador Sanders. By the way,
did you ever make prank calls as a kid?
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I did not.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
I do not think I made a lot of print calls.
I feel I mean me me, I did don't know.
We know, obviously we have cell phones back then, you
to like find a number in the Yellow Pages and
call someone SAE. But I mean those kids, I don't
know what the punishment should be. Karma will get them. Yeah,
I feel like karma will get those kids.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
It's a good point.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
As for Shaduur, the slide was puzzling. You know, we
could go fifty different ways. I just got to ask, like,
Dylan Gabriel, you're an Oregon guy. Yeah, you didn't even
think Dylan Gabriel was third round material? Like that was
the most puzzling aspect to take Gabriel then two rounds
later take Shador.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
The process there does not make sense unless you reorder
the draft for the Browns. Like let's say you just
in your head you reorder you have been thinking Sanders
in the first round and then Gabriel the third or
fourth or fifth. You'd be like, okay, that makes sense.
Or I mean, we saw Washington do this years ago.
They took RG three and they took Cousins. Cousin end
up obviously being the better quarterback that's been done before.
(36:46):
When you draft them in the third round and the
fifth round, it does feel like the process isn't great.
And that also leads to how do you split up
practice reps early in their careers because you draft the
Gabriel head of Sanders, so that tells me that you
think he might be better. Maybe you drafted Standers in
a value spot. He's your starter or he's your guy
taking reps ahead of Gabriel early on. But if you
just go based off draft order, that puts Dylan Gabriel
(37:08):
with reps ahead of Shadur Sanders immediately. That puts Shadur
at you know, third quarterback for now fourth quarterback, right,
I mean there's four legitimate options heading into the spring,
so it kind of just puts him behind trying to
win this job early. If the Browns just give reps
based on how they drafted.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, and I'm sure you saw Cam Newton wearing his
like uh wacky hat. Hey yeah, hey, Shadure, don't chase clout,
just work Because an example like it felt a little hollow.
I don't know, you're you're a former player, Like, were
you ever around a quarterback who came in with the
fanfare that Shadur will.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
I played with Jimmy claus In.
Speaker 10 (37:46):
I mean it was it was a lot of fanfare
with with Jimmy's first year in Carolina, It wasn't quite
the same because he didn't have social media, and obviously
the familiarity with Deon Sanders, there's you know, Jimmy Closs's
dad wasn't a famous pro football player. So no, I
haven't been a situation where I played with Eli Manning
in New York. I mean, I've been in the spotlight
with the quarterbacks before, and I think everything they said
(38:07):
about sort of the backup role and y standers might
not be perfect for it is a fair point. Now now,
obviously he has the opportunity to prove a little different,
and I think this process, clearly they overplayed their hand.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm just surprised that.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
With the connections that his dad has the NFL, that
no one just told him truthfully, hey man, here's what
we can sort of see your son. Obviously, if they
were told over in the process, hey you know, your
son's graded thirty eight on or a big board.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
He's our third quarterback.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
Maybe they handled the process a little bit differently, But
they treated the predraft process like they knew they were
going to be drafted in the first round by a
specific set of teams.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
It just didn't go that way.
Speaker 10 (38:46):
So but no, I've not played with someone just like
I played with Jimmy Classer and a bunch of you know,
he was a five star kid. It famously showed the
notre dame like you know, Limo. I mean, I played
with guys that have had some lore before, but not
quite the same as Sanders.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Let me ask you the Kansas City Chiefs. You are
connected to them, obviously, Yes, your brother spent a lot
of time there.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Let's be real.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
After the Super Bowl butt kicking, I didn't see a
lot of activity and free agency that was positive.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Losing Tuney was surprising.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
The draft, they picked a guy who's coming off a
major injury, and the track record for guys coming back
from that ain't great.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
I'm just wondering, did the Chiefs get better this offseason?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Jeff, Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 10 (39:28):
They didn't have a lot of flexibility right with their
castans that they've never been a big spender for agency.
But they did address the tackle spot both in fre
agency and in the draft, and I think they drafted
well with the positions of need. They need to get
better on the defensive line. We talk a lot about
the offensive line the Super Bowl. They didn't play terribly well.
But the defense line did touch hurts either, Like that's
been ignored because of the answer of the offense. You
(39:50):
have to hope offensively that you know Rashi Rice comes
back healthy. Obviously there might be suspension there at some point.
You're adding another player back, Jason you didn't really have
last season, so that feels like a free agency ad
there you drafted another wide out. I think they're going
to be fine. I think that depending on what Travis
Kelcey did. He end up coming back obviously was going
to change how they did their offseason. You know, if
(40:11):
he came back. When he did, it was let's go
for one more push with this current core, and they're
basically doing that.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
That's what they're doing.
Speaker 10 (40:18):
And again you had Rice in the offense, and you
feel like you're a more explosive offense almost Amelia. You
fix a tackle spot, you feel better about that. Defensively
to really the defensive team, right, they resigned Bolton, that
added some pieces obviously in the draft, so the right
where they need to be and they know how to win.
They know how to I think sort of conserve it
in the regular season just to get to the postseason.
(40:39):
On they ran against Eagles team that was just better
than them. I'm sure both Sunday.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
I'm surprised they didn't draft a tight end with Kelsey
the way he ended last season, his worst season of
his career, invisible in the three playoff games. You do
a lot of gambling stuff. We've done stuff together. They
would eleven or zero in one score games. Jeff, you
know what historically happens the following year, if that turns
to five, six or oh my gosh, four and seven,
what are we looking at for the Chiefs next year.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
It's a good question, and it's certainly true, cause I
think when you look at like a team like the Giants,
who was one and eight and one score games, like
I'm sorry, I know that everyone's on there under this
season already there under five and a half wins, and
I certainly get it. But if Jason, if they just
sort of go back to the mean, they're gonna be
got over five and a half wins. Here's the thing
with the Chiefs, though, when we talk about one score wins,
we often talk about you know, it's sort of like
(41:26):
a maybe a not a sloppy game, but sort of
something happen at the end of the game where you
sort of you make a fifty to fifty plan you win,
or you know, or or you kick a lake field
goal to win the game. You've been behind all game,
you sort of come back and win. And that's how
we view those games, right. A lot of the Chiefs
games where the Chiefs just were up double digits in
the second half. There was a three game stretch it
(41:47):
was Carolina Chargers Raiders. They're up by at least ten
points in the second half of all three of those
games and sort of just bisD a little bit and
the game ended up being tied, and that they would
never down in those games at all. But it was
a one score game, so I think they're one score
game is a little bit different than other teams one
score games. But you're absolutely right if that comes back
to the mean, that's five losses right there, right or six,
(42:10):
and all of a sudden, they're not, you know, the
one seed of the two seeds. So I just think
we have to look at the Chiefs differently, which I
think is hard to do because they're just they're different
than other teams. They're not supposed to be able to
do what the Chiefs do and continually win. But they
keep proving that it does not matter the way they
play when they get to the postseason.
Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah, all right, Jeff Schwartz. We got fifteen seconds left.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
Who's coming out of the NF seed the NFC cound
the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I think. So I can't find a better team right now.
Maybe something from the North.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
I just I think Eagles are just They're so good
upfront and in the middle, which is so important.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Wow, all right, Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
You catch him on the Bare Bets podcast with Chris Felika.
He does TV radio podcast. He's everywhere, gambling machine. Maybe
I'll see in Vegas again. It's been a few years.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, I'll be there in July, so come on, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
What's one hundred and twenty degrees in July?
Speaker 10 (43:02):
Okay, whatever, it's no humanization the desert, yes, no human.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Good stuff, Jeff Schwartz. All right, coming up next year
on the Herd.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
There's a great win for my next last night, what's
going to happen against Boston
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