October 14, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Lamar Jackson and wrong about USC
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we Go, hour two and a Monday, Matt Hasselbeck
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It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
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I have terrible peripheral vision, apparently because he was right
next to me. I had no idea it was going
to stop by today. He was with his wife seeing
their kids, and he gets stole chowping on sit in
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our studio today, which is always fun for us when
you get a Brady breeze. Hassle Beck, guy's gotta sit
in our studio.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And j Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't know how good your weekend was, but UH
had a pretty good weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh really?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Flexing on the game undefeated.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I have the Jets to night undefeated, three and zero.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Maybe you should do blazon four now instead of blazing
Five's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I don't want to short change America, but I generally
don't have five good picks. But uh, you know what,
I should do that, just because I already know my bets.
Minnesota off of bye against Detroit, off a blowout win,
Detroit will comeback to earth. Minnesota is so well coached.
Rams off of bye New York jobs like you guys
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can all bang on the Giants. Cincinnati had to win
that game. They didn't have elak neighbors. I think. I
think that coach is excellent. They don't have much to
work with. I think he's really good. All right, we
do it every Monday. It's called right wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's go where Colin was right well, I said.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
This week with Detroit, the Cowboys oil leak and regression
as a franchise would begin this weekend. I think their
rosters average. I think in a weapons league they have
one great weapon, CD Land. I think you can't have
an eighty two year old general manager. There's too many
jones Is in the building. They need outside influence. They're
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too insular. They remind me a lot of the Lakers
with one or two great players, and that's it. This
is what I told you. I thought they'd finished third
in division as of this morning, that's where they're going
to finish. We were right on the Cowboys where Colin
was wrong. Was I wrong on Lincoln Riley five and
eight in his last thirteen games. They just don't have
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enough top talent. Considering their NIL is fortified at about
thirteen million a year, they have a huge brand. I
like their wide receivers. I think their secondary is the
best it has been in years. But there's just no
there there. They don't feel terribly resilient. Situationally, they're okay.
They are very very young, but letting Penn States tight
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end have seventeen catches is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
When the Ravens went Ohen two, I said, don't worry
owner GM coach quarterback A plus at all of them.
They're fine, And here they come. Cleveland's a mess. The
Steelers are limited offensively, and Lamar Jackson would be my MVP.
I can't I cannot believe how good Lamar Jackson is,
the fact that everybody doesn't love him. I don't get
the kids incredible fourth straight win and four straight game.
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His passer rating is one fourteen. That is a streak.
They lead the NFL in rush offense. Yeah, Derreck Henry's
part of it, and so was Lamar. Where Colin was
raw boy, I thought Doug Peterson, I'd banged on that
for six months. I thought he was a perfect fit
in Jacksonville. They don't do anything right. And what really
concerns me is Trevor Lawrence has regressed. Some of this
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is on coaching. He has regressed badly in his last
eighteen games. In their last twelve games, they're two and ten,
and they feel incredibly inefficient and loose. That game wasn't
even close. I mean, did you ever think Jacksonville had
a shot against a young team in Chicago that's trying
to find their footing in their way total control of
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that football game in London for three and a half hours.
Where Colin was right, You guys were all bailing on
Steve Sarkisian and I said he may be the best
recruiter in the country now that Nick Saban's retired. He's
a tremendous play caller and his quarterbacks. You can go
back to was Washington USC days they all get better quickly.
I love Sark. They ran over Oklahoma thirty four to three,
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not a big surprise. They were a two touchdown favorite.
That the last unbeaten team in the SEC. I think
the only team that can really match up with him
is Ohio State and they played Georgia this weekend. I
like Texas to win that game, but I think it's
a competitive game. But I think Ohio State could potentially
beat him. Maybe Georgia could, but that offensive line looks
like an offensive line full of guys that will play
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on Sunday. Where Colin was right, well, I said all
summer Ohio State is going to play for the national championship,
but they're going to lose in Eugene, and I thought
if they played again, Ohio State would win. I am
concerned that the defense continues to get gashed in these
big games against top ten teams. But Ohio State's a
very good football team. But Eugene is different. If the
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loudest college stadium I've ever been in, it's built into
the ground, and I mean listen, Oregon's got four and
five star guys everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon
and Ohio State and Texas are the three best teams
when you look up in December. But we called this one.
I think if they met again, and by the way,
they had eight penalties, fall starts, clock management issues. We
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had predicted that crowd for a college program. They're going
to go on the road and look unsettled offensively, and
they did at.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Times where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I fell in love with the San Diego Padres after
Game three and they didn't score a run from that
plane forward. Yeah, I mean, Manny, Machado and Tatis were
one for fifteen in their last two games the minute
I fell in love with them. Apparently they sent all
the bats home because they couldn't score a run. LA
used eight relievers unheard of to shut them out in
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the playoff game. I think San Diego is so much
fun to watch, but I mean Jack Flaherty, Aamamoto, all
those relievers. Eventually the better team won in Los.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Angeles, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith, we predicted this would like
justin Fields more than Russell Wilson. Last week, Arthur Smith
was quoted saying, I like fields. There's no drama. He
doesn't try to create a perception he's endearing to his teammates,
which was a bizarrely aggressive shot at Russell Wilson. But
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this is what we predicted, is that the guys are
gonna like Justin Fields. He's not rich, he's not sitting
around on social media. He's just a regular dude. Even
in Chicago when he was losing, everybody liked Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Finally, the New Orleans Saints are what we thought they were.
I always judge a coach is he at least good
on his side of the ball. He may not be
good on the other side. But Dennis Allen, the Saints
are now allowing the most yards per game in the NFL,
and he's a defensive coach. I think he's a bit
over a skis. I think they probably have to take
a big swing at quarterback. But I picked them for
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third or fourth in the division. I just too many,
too many great quarterbacks and too many great great coaches
in this league, and I don't think New Orleans is
good enough at those two positions. Where Colin was right.
Where Colin was wrong on a Monday, And with that,
what a pleasure. Three time Pro bowler in Super Bowl,
eighteen years in this league. Matt Hasselback, Seahawks, Colts, Packers,
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Titans joining us here in the herd. Let's hear it
for our guy. Listen to get you out of that
nice place you always join us live. It's a real
win for us.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So school football man. You know, I'm working man.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, let's go on the flight back. You've got
your game plan on.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Halready, did it? Did it last night? You know for
today's practice.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Got a script for tomorrow seven on seventeen, you know,
all the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I want to start with a London game. So
a lot of times when I watch a young quarterback,
I tend to watch feet is a frenetic. I tend
to watch where's the head going. A couple of times
yesterday with with Caleb Williams. I mean it was like
left middle, right, middle, left, and I was like, Okay,
that's good. That's like that's you when you're older. That
that feels like it takes a while. Some guys maybe
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have it innately, but I do feel like the feet
where he's looking, it feels like there's growth here.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Yeah, well I think his eyes than feet. You know,
usually most teams. They Bears don't have it, but you think,
got like a stripe on the middle of the helmet there, right,
And so in the camera when you're studying film you're
looking behind the quarterback. That stripe helps the quarterback coach
know where the eyes are because you can't see the
eyes with that tape you know, on the helmet tells
you like, oh, your eye's in the right spot.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Okay, So it really starts there.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
I think what I see out of Caleb though, is
like when you're talking about his footwork, he's throwing on top.
I'm in rhythm with the quick game, and that's very
important because you're avoiding sacks, you're getting the ball out
of your hands into the hands of the athletes. But
then where he's exceptional is when plays take a little
bit longer and you're throwing the ball down field. His
scramble ability is translating from the college game to the
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pro game, and that doesn't always happen with guys.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So I think the combination of obviously.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
They're playing good around him playing well, but the quick
game is working, and then the exceptional explosive plays that
you saw at SC they're still there as well.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You know, he really does have a power arm. I
think he likes to throw from the pocket. He was
asked out a lot in Collogy Goes. I'd actually rather
be in the pocket. I think he likes. Some guys
like to move because they question their ability there. I
think Caleb would like to sit in the pocket for
ninety percent of the stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I think there's still a lot of room for growth
with him, obviously. I mean that's you know, I think
it's going to get hard at some point for them.
Like it's been pretty smooth right now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, bad teams.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, I don't want to say it that way, but yeah,
but I think it was Houston they played and it
didn't go as well, and I think that's probably more
what you're going to see out of that team a
quarter like. I think the Bears are doing a great
job of this. As you're winning games, you're developing your
young quarterback. Some people throw a young quarterback out there
and they lose and they're like, oh, well, we gotta
lose because we got our We need our young quarterback
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to develop. The Bears aren't doing that. I think they're
playing really well around him, and I think the future
is bright. I don't know if it's this year. I'm
not as sold on that team, but clearly the game
in London was huge.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So you know, if a team is losing, it can
be a lot of things. It can be injuries. I
mean the Rams had cluster injuries at wide receiver and
O line. Okay, it can happen, but yesterday Phillies got
both their receivers Saquon Barkley. I mean they got dudes.
That's a great roster and this worries me. First two
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series off a by offensive coach Jalen's O for five
and two punts. Matt, you give McVeigh off a bye
that first series or Andy Reid, Like, I'm sorry, but
isn't that an issue?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I mean, listen, everyone's got injuries, like you said, but
the key injuries I think for Philly, they lose those
two wide receivers, they're a completely different team. And then
when you come back, like you just never know, like
you just never know, like sometimes it takes guys. Some
guys are rusty, some guys are just ready to roll.
I think Philly. I don't think the sky is falling
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as much on Philly as I don't personally think the
sky is falling in Philly the way other people do
think Philly rights the ship. They have not looked good,
They've looked very, very bad. Sort of trust the pieces
there if they.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Can get help.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, there's transition there with like new coordinators, just a
lot of stuff and hitting adversity. I do believe that
this team they'll pull together, they won't pull apart. I
do believe in Jalen Hurts the leader, and I think
that's something that doesn't show up in stats. A lot
of people, especially in the media, they love to just
get on the stats, and like, while that's important, there's
another aspect to being a franchise quarterback that I believe
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Jalen Hurts has and that's leadership, and I think that
that counts for something. Yeah, and also the rest of
the division kind of stinks, with the exception of Washington.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So there was a I don't think hockey guys or
football players don't quit because you get hurt, but there's
a tempo. The governor was turned down on the Cowboys yesterday,
Like it's just not quite there. And it's easy for
us to blame dak or Mike McCarthy, but your owner's
your GM and they've been hit and miss undrafting. Not terrible,
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But I do feel like, and I've said this about
the Lakers for years, is that there's too many people
that are friends and relatives of the Lakers and not
enough outside influence. And I feel with a cowboy, there's
a lot of Jones in the building and it's like
it's when they succeeded. Parcels came in and Jimmy Johnson
came in, and I look at this organization as kind
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of insular. Matt, how do I Baltimore ran them over?
Detroit random over. I watched last year Green Bay the
same ran them over. Is it just possible it's a
mediocre roster.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I think injuries are huge.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
You know, you take again, you take away some superstars,
you know, you take away just one guy, take away
Michael Parsons is a different team, right And I'm not
in the building, so I can't speak to that, but
I can't speak to the film. And I would just
say this, when a defense you mentioned tempo, when they
struggle to line up, like then you're like Dallas defense
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used to.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Be the aggressor. They used to come out under Dan Quintin.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
And had this idea of like, no, no, we don't
even need our offense to score. We're gonna score. Like
that was the mindset of the Dallas defense. Now you
see the Dallas defense like not even lining up on
time the ball is snapped. The d line doesn't even
have their hands in the dirt.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You know, they're.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
In a bunch set, a cluster formation, and the dbs
haven't even decided like who's got who, who's got inside,
who's got outside, Like they're not even lining up, and
you know, it just kind of reminds me a little
bit too, like that's pre snap.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Now talk about post snap.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
So the I I heard the defensive coordinator for the
Green Bay Packers, Jeff Affley say this once and I
thought it was excellent. The love how much you love
your teammate and how accountable you are to your teammate
can be measured on defense by.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
How close you are to the ball when the whistle
is blown. Pursuit effort.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
You know, you hear people this year talking about guys
on defense making business decisions.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
They don't want to tackle a Derrick Henry.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
They don't want to tackle in a game that's already
out of hand like stuff like that. I think effort
in your pursuit to the ball matters a lot on
defense too, And that's another thing. Just put it on
the list that I think needs to get corrected in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
How much is this though? Detroit's very unique. The Patriots
could do this at their prime is that they can
run with power, they can do trick plays, they can
be cute. It's very rare. Usually because of a salary cap.
You got a hole. If you do the power game,
you're not cute. You know. Baltimore for years didn't have
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great receivers Mark Andrews, but they can do the power game.
But they weren't gonna beat you down the field. And
I watch I watched this team and I'm like, they're
a little like a younger version of the Niners. They
just they got personnel, they kind of do everything.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean that was fun to watch, right, Detroit's offense.
It kind of reminds me and listen Detroit. If you've
been following the NFL for a long time, Detroit's been
picked on. They've been the joke, you know for many years,
Like they've been like the team that no one counts on.
They've been bullied a little bit, yeah, right, And you
know when you play, when you play in the NFL,
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it's very common when you go out and you're leaving
the locker room pep talk or whatever, the coach or
a guy on the team says, we're gonna go out
and we're gonna hit him in the mouth in their house,
you know. But like it's like it's just talk right right.
When Detroit says it, it feels different. When Dan Campbell
says it, it feels different. There's something about this team
that's like fed up. And I worked with Rex Ryan
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for a long time, and you know I remember Rex
like really believing in Dan Campbell and really believing.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
In this Detroit team.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
And he would see, you know, talk about the book
and he's like, you just watch one of these days.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You know, one of these days.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Detroit's gonna say enough and they're going to go into
like the bully's house. And like, in my mind, I'm
picturing like, you know, George McFly and Biff, you know,
get your damn hands off or Biff, you know, and
then you knock them out, like you hit them in
the mouth at their place on primetime. You know, like
this is the Dallas Cowboys, who better to do it against?
And that's what they did, and everything was different after that. Everything,
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And that's how I feel about this Detroit team. Like
they sent a message. They lost their best player. They
did whatever they wanted to do in the passing game,
perfect passer rating, they did whatever they wanted to do
in the running game. They're trying to throw touchdowns offensive linemen.
They're throwing hooking laterals to offensive linemen, like they sent
a message. And Ben Johnson, like, you know, he could
have left last year and been a head coach. He said, no,
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there's something special brewing here. I'm staying maybe I'm not
ready to be a head coach. This is what I'm
meant to do. This is what I love to do.
So I think they got something special. Now they're gonna
hit adversity because they lost you know, Aiden Hutchinson, but
the trade deadline hasn't happened. There's players all around the
league on bad teams like you know, I don't name names,
but like a Max Crosby or like somebody like that
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that would fit nicely, and they're saying, man, get me
to Detroit. There's something special about Detroit. I want to
be on a team like that. That's how I play
the game, and I want to be on that team.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So tonight, I think it's very interesting. So my general
rule on football is if you are talented and play
poorly like the Cowboys, they'll probably play better next week.
I don't think they're great. So Aaron Rodgers probably had
his worst game as a pro. I mean, all three
picks were bad. Aaron has maybe one of those a month.
He had three in one game. And my guess is
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they they made a move at OC which I think
was a right move. Sometimes it's uncomfortable with a new guy,
but I actually think the Jets will play really, really
well tonight. I have to ask you. I know the
guy was in the building, but replacing the play caller,
how difficult is it.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
It's hard to been a part of it. It's tough,
but it's in the short term. I agree with you.
It's a good thing. It's a wake up call. Things change,
a fresh set of eyes. Someone who's had success somewhere
else understands, like you know what, I know what this
team can. It's not about what we can't do, It's
about what this team can do. Okay, But I think
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the other thing that I don't think people ever talk
about is it now becomes a blind date for the
Buffalo Bills. They don't know, Like it's so much analytics
and film study and like, are on third and three
to six they're sixty five percent that on third and
seven to ten they're thirty two percent. This, Like it's
so much analytics that goes into it. Now now it's
literally like you don't really know. Like in fact, if
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I was the Jets, I don't think I would have
announced who the play caller was because that even gives
them more of a competitive advantage, right, So, like they
don't really know Jeff Ulbrick, Like, I mean, I know
Jeff Olbrick played against him for years. He coached me
in Seattle, But like, I don't know what's he gonna
do as a head coach. Is he gonna be a
guys going forward and fourth down? You know, what are
they gonna do offensively? Are they going to be more
like what Downing's done in the past. Are they going
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to have more control for Aaron Rodgers less?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Like?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
So, I just really think that you're gonna see a
different tempo and energy because there's gonna be a part
of the team in New York. That's like, Man, we
let our coaching staff down, we let our head coach down,
we let our oc down. We gotta we gotta play different.
We got to play more the way that they would
want to would have wanted us to play. And then
also just the unknown. And I think that's a that's
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a tough thing.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
In the long run, I think it catches up to you. Yeah,
But but for right now.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Tonight look out. So you know, it's interesting I've defended
Lamar Jackson for three years on this show that he's
really much more consistent in the pocket than people think.
The quarterback that isn't now is Josh Allen. So he
plays tonight. So I think Lamar is remarkable. But I
want to stay on the Buffalo Jets. What troubles me
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with Kyler Murray's inconsistency. I almost feel like, because I've
had it so sourced from players, executives to coaches around Kyler,
there's some immaturity issues, there are some commitment issues. I
don't hear that with Josh. My sources say he's totally committed,
immature kid, locker room leader. We are getting to a
point though with Josh is I feel he's a bit
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oc dependent, although everybody is. The inconsistency is a bit troubling.
Where does that come from. It's not that he loses
his arm strength or ability.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
No, I think he's great.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I mean, I think Josh Allen's one of the most
talented quarterbacks I've ever watched.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Sometimes you can try to do too much. Sometimes you
can be a little.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Careless, like he's careless with his body, and like, you know,
Andrew Luck was that way, Like he was careless with
his body. He's one of the reasons that he was
so fun to watch and his teammates loved him. Like, man,
this dude is laying it out on the like he's
landed on the line for us, for our team. But
there's a there's a fine line between being careless with
your body and being careless with the football. And like,
I think that's the tough thing. And so how do
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you do that as a quarterback with split second decisions?
And you know, the best way that I've ever heard
it described, Clyde Christiansen was the quarterback coach in Indy.
We're coaching Andrew Luck, and it was Andrew was kind
of going through one of these, you know, parts of
the season, just like Josh.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Allen has had sometimes. And this so Clyde brings this
admiral in from.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
The Navy to talk about how they trained fighter pilots
to cut it loose, to trust their training, be aggressive.
You're the best in the world at what you do.
But at the same time, that fighter jet that you
have doesn't belong to you. You don't get to just
hit a jet whenever you want, like it belongs to
the taxpayers. It's millions and millions of dollars. And in
the same way that football doesn't belong to you. You
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need to be more careful with that football. Now, how
do you do it?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Do you play defensive like a driver's ed sixteen and
a half year old? No, you don't.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
You cut it loose and you trust your training, but
you have to have respect for the fact that, like,
if you want to be reckless with your body, fine,
you don't get to be reckless with that football.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I love the coaches bring in fighter pilots. That is great.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
It's kind of like one of those mister Miagi moments too,
because you get you get a big game the next
day and you're like, all right, you know, what's the
first fifteen plays going to be? And then all of
a sudden, like an admiral from the Navy comes in,
and you're like, I mean, what is this wax on?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Wax off? What is this even good for? Why do
we need to know about fighter pilots? And then all
of a sudden, like it's over, and you're just.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Like, oh, like the light bulb goes off, Like that
was epic, Like that was like next level.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It was a Hall of Fame coaching. And I'll never
forget it. Miss years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
It's probably ten and eleven years ago, and you know,
I'm coaching high school football now and I still look
for those types of nuggets because I think it's even harder.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
To coach.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Kid distracted.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, it's it's harder to.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Coach really creative players who feel like, hey, I know,
I already know, I know, coach I know, and so like,
think about what that's like coaching the game's best, the
Josh Allen's, the Patrick Mahomes, you know, those types of guys.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
You have to get creative.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I want to ask you one college question. So everybody
beats up on Will Howard at Ohio State. You know,
he scrambles, he doesn't get down in time. But I
had said, going into this game for an eighteen nineteen,
twenty twenty one year old college players, NFL is different
to travel three thousand miles. I guarantee a ninety nine
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percent of that roster had never been to the Pacific Northwest.
That's one of the loudest places. So everybody's beaten up
on Will Howard, and I'm like, I get it, like
you're I mean, Andy Reid got crushed for clock management
until he got my homes and the minute Brady left
New England, everybody said Belichick's clock management is terrible. Take
me to how hard it is in these last moments
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or did you was it easier for you?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Well it's different this year, right, because now the college
game has the coach to quarterback communication system. Guys like
David Shaw were fighting for this forever because they had
to signal it in I mean, you can remember like
college quarterbacks like taking a knee on fourth down or sorry,
spiking it, I'm fourth down, Like it's just hard, Like
these are college kids, right, you know, I mean I
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played eighteen years in the NFL. I threw more touchdown.
I through more interceptions than touchdowns in college, I was
a kid. I rushed for negative two hundred and eighty
eight yards in my college career. Like, I mean, so
who am I to pile onto a college kid? But
I do think like now that the coach to quarterback
communication system is there, more responsibility falls on the coaching staff,
and I think that that's a kind of a welcome thing.
(24:26):
But no, the whole thing's tough. I mean, these guys
are also going to school. It's it's it's crazy. So
like we have professionalized I call it professional amateur sports
with college football.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Play crack and field a little bit. There are amateurs
but getting paid.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
No doubt.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
And so the scrutiny is on these especially at the
top schools, the rare air schools, the scrutiny is on
those quarterbacks, just like it is on these pro guys.
And I just think it's tough, like the the lack
of experience, the you know, like still going to school,
like all of it. I do think it's tough. So
I'm like usually the last guy to pile on onto
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those guys. And again because like if you were to
evaluate me at that time. I mean, mistakes all over
the place. And the good thing about mistakes as you
learned from them, but in the moment. But to do
it under the microscope like these guys got to do
is very very tough.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I one more I've said this. You were mechanically very sound.
You moved well. When I watched Shador Sanders moving forward back, left, right,
he's just accurate. CJ Stroud has this. CJ's just accurate.
Some guys mechanically and Sam Darnold his mechanics needed like training.
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So I watched the dour this weekend with the bad
old line and no run game and its top two
receivers out, and I'm like, man, that is that is
effortlessly accurate. Was accuracy easy for you? Did you ever
see somebody in the league that you thought was great
but actually had to put the time into accuracy And.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Like, oh, yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
But you know, I also think, like there's all these
hidden things that I think quarterbacks respect, the offensive linemen
and respect, and I think they just kind of go unnoticed.
You know a lot of times people say, oh, the
offensive line's bad. Well, you can like at the end
of the year in the NFL at the end of
the year. Every year you assigned blame for the sacks.
They kind of assigned blame oll that was on the guard,
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that was on the tackle, that was on the quarterback,
whatever that was on the coach, that was on the scheme.
But like when we would do that in the off season,
I would kind of say, like, Okay, what could I
have done different? Like what could I have done different?
Even if the blame wasn't technically on me. And I
think there's something to throwing the ball shorter on time
at times and also just finding a way to throw
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the ball away. So like it, you know, when they
were in their heyday, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers were like
leading the league in throwaways. And to me, that's avoiding sacks.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is that hurting your quarterback rating? Yeah? You know, is
that hurting your own personal stats?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Is that helping the team though? Yes? Is that helping
the offensive line?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And so I think there are quarterbacks who do an
amazing job of protecting the team with not taking sacks,
and then there's other guys that it's just like you know,
your fingernails on a chalkboard.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
They'll take a sack.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
When there was absolutely no reason to take a sack
and you put your team behind. Now, it hurts the offense,
it hurts the defense. So I think that's an area
where more athletic quarterbacks because they can get away with scrambling.
I think that's an area, like I've mentioned to you,
I think Steve Young was a guy that he said
it was hardest for me because I knew I could
trust my legs, and for you know a lot of guys,
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it's a curse in a blessing.
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Speaker 1 (28:10):
Like big games. This weekend Minnesota Detroit's a big one.
I'm going to take the vikings in that one. You know,
it's funny when I go around the country wherever I'm at,
how many Viking fans there are, and how appreciative Viking
fans are of us in the media saying nice things
about their team. I run into somebody from Minnesota, and
I am not joking. I run into a Viking fan
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every day of the week somewhere in Los Angeles. Could
go up out to get coffee or you know, you're
going to get something, Jim, Viking fans, we hear you.
They're so appreciative that because I think they think we're
all kind of rolling our eyes. Minnesota looks like the
best team in the league, better than Kansas City on
a lot of Sundays, and I think off of Bye
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they're going to be a handful for Detroit. I like
Minnesota in that spot. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
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Speaker 5 (29:06):
Jim Harball had a scary moment uh Sunday Chargers Broncos.
He went to the blue medical ten in the first
quarter and then went back to the locker room. The
Chargers designated Harball questionable to return. This is the head coach,
By the way, Harball eventually came back to the sidelines
and coached the rest of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Afterward, he was joking about the health scare tu oh with.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Uh an arrhythmias. Yeah, I could tell her there's there
was some irregular beats. Co I am qualified to talk about.
This is me I'm allowed to you know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Uh yeah, nobody could quite figure it out. His brother
John like stopped his press conference short when he heard
about it. So this is something else he's he is.
Uh that game yesterday j Mack was one of the
easier ones to pick. So Chargers had both their tackles back.
Their receiving corps is limited, and it got beat up
Herby I think was concussims. Yeah, I mean, so Herbert,
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there's always something missing for Justin Herbert. It's either his
old line or his receivers. He's never really had a
full healthy compliment for a month of his career. But yeah,
I think that they came out obviously on script Greg Roman.
They came out and took command of that game immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
So it was some guy caught a touchdown pass from
Herbert and I'm looking at his number on like thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
It was some name someone named Kimani Vidal. I'd never
heard his name before. They caught an awesome touchdown pass
from Herbert. This is who Herbert's throwing too randoms. Just
to be clear though, this was twenty three nothing in
the fourth quarter before a lot of garbage time stuff
from the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, no, no, no, I know you got.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Bowen. I don't want to go back.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
To Friday's Perty versus bo Nicks thing, but bo Nicks
I think had twenty two yards passing in the first half.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He was three for ten.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah. Comment on bo Nix's I don't know that throw
well to Courtland Sutton in the back of the end
zone was pretty Listen, Nate, Here's what I'll say about Bonex.
People always bang on quarterbacks. They're padding stats. He made
that a game. If they get a fourth down conversion,
they are down three doing the on side kicker Rooney.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Charge Chargers were like prevot defense for like the last
twelve bottom line is impressive from the Charger.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
This could continue again. That's what you should look like. Hey,
come on, Eli, off of by you should look like
what the Chargers did Philadelphia off of Bye zero for
five and two punts like off of bye with an
offensive coach the charge. I mean you literally the second
series of the game, you're like, oh, Chargers going this
football game. They're in total control of the game. Very
impressive stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Next story Colin is Drake May got his first start Sunday.
He was buying the eight ball quickly against the Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This was a corner TV game.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I did have a really nice touchdown pass.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
They had to give Hi props on that one to
Boote who cooked Derek Stingley.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I need to mention Derek Stingley got roasted again.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
May was up and down. I thought he was kind
of good. Tough spot.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
His head coach said. May was the least of the
team's problems.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
I thought he showed a lot of foys. I thought
he went out there and controlled the huddle, got those
guys out of the huddle.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And once again make some place.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
And it's definitely encouraging, you know, as you know, from
a team wide perspective, right now, we're just we're not.
We let him down. You know, it was his first
game and I feel like I let him down. I'm
sure all the coaches feel like we let everyone down.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And you just got to be better.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just I'm gonna hold him to
a lower standard. They don't have much to work with.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Well, let's you could say that, but May had more
touchdown passes in one game than Brissett had in the
first five. May had three touchdown passes. I know the
game state was they're trailing by a million, But for me,
I thought Drake May looked pretty good. A couple bad throws,
but it's his first start. Remember what Kleb and Jaden
they all lost their first start. Yeah, and Drake May
showed well. Here's some numbers from yesterday. I will point
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out first quarter Houston had ten first downs, Patriots at zero.
And Joe Mixon is back. We've talked about him on
the show a lot. He is so pivotal to that offense.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Hewn well, it's much easier to throw it on second
and four and third and two, and when you had
also it just allows it allows the quarterback to throw
on his terms more often than when you're on third
and seven and can't run. You're throwing on the defense's terms.
So I think if Joe Mixon a real workhorse, a
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power runner with speed, I think if he's healthy, Houston
can win their division and win a playoff game. I
don't think they're quite mature enough or ready for They
remind me of Green Bay in the NFC. If they
got to the conference championship, I would not be surprised,
but I'm not sure they're hoisted trophy yet.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Well, no Nicocollins, and I was worried about Diggs against
Christian Godales. Diggs did it, had a great game. Digs
was very good catch and everything. I missed this in
the handicap. The Patriots six games now have started six
different offensive lines to begin the game.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's how bad they're so beat up.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Colin, their starting center for Drake May's first start, was
a practice squad player on the Raiders last week and
they just brought him over. That's how desperate they are.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Patriots could be, could be the worst team in the league.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's oh, I think they are. I think the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Panthers are definitely down there.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Panthers are They're really I think it's I think it's
And my takeaway is when we get to the draft,
everybody's going to understand that Chaduere Sanders is the number
one and everybody's gonna understand Travis Hunters the second best
player in the country. Oh, I think he's going to
be number two. I think Colorado's got the two best
players in the sport, and then I think, I don't
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think they have any in the next fifty.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I know you were party on Saturday night, but were
you really boozing it up? I mean, were you watching
that Colorado game and you're like, come on.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Hot, Shadeur's could he's got something? They were driving for
a they were driving for a score at the end,
and I'm talking no run game, two receivers out. Kid
throws from four hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
He's he's good, But like, I'm not saying he's a
slam dunk number one.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I do after this weekend. I don't think he's Caleb
Williams as a prospect. I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't think he is. I think he's closer. I
don't even know what his comp is. But he's not
Caleb Williams. He's not Camp.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Ward's gotta impress you against Louis Nan.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm out on camp, You're out on kim It. But
I'm just gonna mind listen.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think I heard some of the same stuff before
he got to Miami. I'll just say that, but forget
all right, we'll go That's gonna be a fun debate
here for the next five months.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Final story Colin is Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Spencer Rattler of the Saints got his first start, fifth
round pick. The numbers were not awful, but in the
second half, Todd Wols just said, we're just gonna come
after the young kid and blitz the hell out of him.
And he could do nothing, and Tampa Bay dominated the
second half. Coach Dennis Allen said the team didn't do
enough to help their quarterback.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
For all, I thought he did some good things. I
mean there were some encouraging things, uh, some things that
he's gonna learn from, you know, from a mistakes standpoint
on his part. I don't think we did enough around
him to help him.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, I think they're gonna I think I'd take some
big swings if I was New Orleans in the offseason,
I think I do another staff, another staff.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
So I had to just look this up to Dennis
Allen's a defensive coach. Historically, do you ever had five
hundred ninety four yards of offense eight point three yards
per play?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, and he's a defensive coach.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Mike Mike Evans I think left the game in the
second first quarter, second quarter or something like that, and
they rang up five hundred ninety four yards of offense.
Had you heard of Sean Tucker before? I mean, I
gotta go grab him fantasy. This guy went off against
the Saints. The Saints defense, coach by defensive guy Dennis Allen,
has not been good.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And uh sath Broncos Thursday. I think it's Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh, I've got Sean Payton returned bon Nicks, gonna get
a little heater. He's gonna take that fourth quarter mo
into Thursday.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
As Dennis Allen coach the Saints by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
No, although they have stable ownership, really smart GM, they
may just keep it there. But that division, I think
you'd probably make a move.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
They won two in a row to start the season.
Now four straight losses increasingly bad. I know there's injuries
and you're starting rattit.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I think they may. I think they may elevate Kubiak.
Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
They don't want to let they can't let him leave
the Bills because he's going to get interviews runs well, give.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Him the job. Knows the personnel knows the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I think you nailed that, h J.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
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Speaker 5 (37:43):
Sunday, it's a huge NFL double letter on Fox. First
at one Eastern, the Lions take on the Vikings or
other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week,
it's a Super Bowl rematch as Patrick Mahomes and the
Chiefs battle Brock perty the Niners.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
When they have Fox said the Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Sports out Brock Purty against my Homes makes some judgments
on that. So Matt Hasselbeck was in studio thirty minutes
ago and we talked about the Jets. I think the
Jets and the points tonight is decide. Aaron played about
as badly as Aaron Rodgers is going to play as
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a New York Jet. It was a London game, and no,
it was it a London game over there against Minnesota. Yeah,
it was a London game. So now they're back tonight.
Buffalo is a team that's reeling and beat up. They
have a new interim coach for the Jets, Jeff Ulbrich
as they face the Bills tonight, and Matt talked about.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
That it's a good thing. It's a wake up call.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Things change, A fresh set of eyes understands, like, you
know what, I know what this team can It's not
about what we can't do.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It's about what this team can do.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
I just really think that you're going to see a
different tempo and energy because there's going to be a
part of the team in New York that's like, man,
we let our coaching staff down.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, like the Jets tonight to play really competitive football.
And what's interesting is when they got rid of Sala,
who I think was the best coach on the staff.
I don't think it's ever the right time to do
the wrong thing, And I don't think you should ever
get rid of the best coach on the staff. A
lot of times you can have a head coach and me,
he may not be a head coach and you have
a great offensive coordinator who's actually the best coach on
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the staff. That happens, But I thought Sala was the
best coach on the staff. So you just you're losing
brain power, You're losing somebody that's really an expert. And
I don't think the Jets defense will be quite as
good because now the interim coach who was a coordinator
moves up and he's got different responsibilities. So it just
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throws everything off a little bit. But I think the
offense will look better tonight Nett. Hackett's been sort of demoted,
not sort of, he has been. I expect to see
more motion, a little bit more clever. It's very Garrett
Wilson oriented. Also, they've got to get Breese hallmore touches.
The run game is sort of vanished, So I think
they'll be an inspired lot. And I would say this,
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you know, if they lose tonight, this thing could go sideways.
We looked at the Jets schedule. We said this, it
was built to win early. The schedule was built to
win early. We didn't think Minnesota was a loss. We
thought Minnesota would be a fourth place team. Okay, it's
a loss. We started looking at these games. We didn't
think Tennessee would even compete with them.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
They did.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We knew they'd probably get housed by the Niners to
open the season. We sort of bake that in. But
you start losing this game at home against Buffalo. We
thought this would be a game you're supposed to win.
Buffalo is a little beat up, so it maybe the
Jets night. Looking forward to it. Dodgers. By the way,
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Dodgers Mets on Fox right after our show. That is
game two, Mets throwing their number two starters, so you
talk about must must win for the Mets. Today Dodgers
have not allowed a run in thirty three innings using
twelve different pitchers, which is yes, it sounds historic. It
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Here we Go, hour two and a Monday, Matt Hasselbeck
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It's the Herd wherever you may be and however you
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I have terrible peripheral vision, apparently because he was right
next to me. I had no idea it was going
to stop by today. He was with his wife seeing
their kids, and he gets stole chowping on sit in
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our studio today, which is always fun for us when
you get a Brady breeze. Hassle Beck, guy's gotta sit
in our studio.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And j Mac.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I don't know how good your weekend was, but UH
had a pretty good weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh really?
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Flexing on the game undefeated.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I have the Jets to night undefeated, three and zero.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Maybe you should do blazon four now instead of blazing
Five's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
I don't want to short change America, but I generally
don't have five good picks. But uh, you know what,
I should do that, just because I already know my bets.
Minnesota off of bye against Detroit, off a blowout win,
Detroit will comeback to earth. Minnesota is so well coached.
Rams off of bye New York jobs like you guys
(01:32):
can all bang on the Giants. Cincinnati had to win
that game. They didn't have elak neighbors. I think. I
think that coach is excellent. They don't have much to
work with. I think he's really good. All right, we
do it every Monday. It's called right wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's go where Colin was right well, I said.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
This week with Detroit, the Cowboys oil leak and regression
as a franchise would begin this weekend. I think their
rosters average. I think in a weapons league they have
one great weapon, CD Land. I think you can't have
an eighty two year old general manager. There's too many
jones Is in the building. They need outside influence. They're
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too insular. They remind me a lot of the Lakers
with one or two great players, and that's it. This
is what I told you. I thought they'd finished third
in division as of this morning, that's where they're going
to finish. We were right on the Cowboys where Colin
was wrong. Was I wrong on Lincoln Riley five and
eight in his last thirteen games. They just don't have
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enough top talent. Considering their NIL is fortified at about
thirteen million a year, they have a huge brand. I
like their wide receivers. I think their secondary is the
best it has been in years. But there's just no
there there. They don't feel terribly resilient. Situationally, they're okay.
They are very very young, but letting Penn States tight
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end have seventeen catches is absolutely absurd.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I was wrong where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
When the Ravens went Ohen two, I said, don't worry
owner GM coach quarterback A plus at all of them.
They're fine, And here they come. Cleveland's a mess. The
Steelers are limited offensively, and Lamar Jackson would be my MVP.
I can't I cannot believe how good Lamar Jackson is,
the fact that everybody doesn't love him. I don't get
the kids incredible fourth straight win and four straight game.
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His passer rating is one fourteen. That is a streak.
They lead the NFL in rush offense. Yeah, Derreck Henry's
part of it, and so was Lamar. Where Colin was
raw boy, I thought Doug Peterson, I'd banged on that
for six months. I thought he was a perfect fit
in Jacksonville. They don't do anything right. And what really
concerns me is Trevor Lawrence has regressed. Some of this
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is on coaching. He has regressed badly in his last
eighteen games. In their last twelve games, they're two and ten,
and they feel incredibly inefficient and loose. That game wasn't
even close. I mean, did you ever think Jacksonville had
a shot against a young team in Chicago that's trying
to find their footing in their way total control of
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that football game in London for three and a half hours.
Where Colin was right, You guys were all bailing on
Steve Sarkisian and I said he may be the best
recruiter in the country now that Nick Saban's retired. He's
a tremendous play caller and his quarterbacks. You can go
back to was Washington USC days they all get better quickly.
I love Sark. They ran over Oklahoma thirty four to three,
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not a big surprise. They were a two touchdown favorite.
That the last unbeaten team in the SEC. I think
the only team that can really match up with him
is Ohio State and they played Georgia this weekend. I
like Texas to win that game, but I think it's
a competitive game. But I think Ohio State could potentially
beat him. Maybe Georgia could, but that offensive line looks
like an offensive line full of guys that will play
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on Sunday. Where Colin was right, well, I said all
summer Ohio State is going to play for the national championship,
but they're going to lose in Eugene, and I thought
if they played again, Ohio State would win. I am
concerned that the defense continues to get gashed in these
big games against top ten teams. But Ohio State's a
very good football team. But Eugene is different. If the
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loudest college stadium I've ever been in, it's built into
the ground, and I mean listen, Oregon's got four and
five star guys everywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if Oregon
and Ohio State and Texas are the three best teams
when you look up in December. But we called this one.
I think if they met again, and by the way,
they had eight penalties, fall starts, clock management issues. We
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had predicted that crowd for a college program. They're going
to go on the road and look unsettled offensively, and
they did at.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Times where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I fell in love with the San Diego Padres after
Game three and they didn't score a run from that
plane forward. Yeah, I mean, Manny, Machado and Tatis were
one for fifteen in their last two games the minute
I fell in love with them. Apparently they sent all
the bats home because they couldn't score a run. LA
used eight relievers unheard of to shut them out in
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the playoff game. I think San Diego is so much
fun to watch, but I mean Jack Flaherty, Aamamoto, all
those relievers. Eventually the better team won in Los.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Angeles, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Steelers offensive coordinator Arthur Smith, we predicted this would like
justin Fields more than Russell Wilson. Last week, Arthur Smith
was quoted saying, I like fields. There's no drama. He
doesn't try to create a perception he's endearing to his teammates,
which was a bizarrely aggressive shot at Russell Wilson. But
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this is what we predicted, is that the guys are
gonna like Justin Fields. He's not rich, he's not sitting
around on social media. He's just a regular dude. Even
in Chicago when he was losing, everybody liked Justin Fields.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Finally, the New Orleans Saints are what we thought they were.
I always judge a coach is he at least good
on his side of the ball. He may not be
good on the other side. But Dennis Allen, the Saints
are now allowing the most yards per game in the NFL,
and he's a defensive coach. I think he's a bit
over a skis. I think they probably have to take
a big swing at quarterback. But I picked them for
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third or fourth in the division. I just too many,
too many great quarterbacks and too many great great coaches
in this league, and I don't think New Orleans is
good enough at those two positions. Where Colin was right.
Where Colin was wrong on a Monday, And with that,
what a pleasure. Three time Pro bowler in Super Bowl,
eighteen years in this league. Matt Hasselback, Seahawks, Colts, Packers,
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Titans joining us here in the herd. Let's hear it
for our guy. Listen to get you out of that
nice place you always join us live. It's a real
win for us.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
So school football man. You know, I'm working man.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
You know, let's go on the flight back. You've got
your game plan on.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Halready, did it? Did it last night? You know for
today's practice.
Speaker 6 (08:01):
Got a script for tomorrow seven on seventeen, you know,
all the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
So I want to start with a London game. So
a lot of times when I watch a young quarterback,
I tend to watch feet is a frenetic. I tend
to watch where's the head going. A couple of times
yesterday with with Caleb Williams. I mean it was like
left middle, right, middle, left, and I was like, Okay,
that's good. That's like that's you when you're older. That
that feels like it takes a while. Some guys maybe
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have it innately, but I do feel like the feet
where he's looking, it feels like there's growth here.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
Yeah, well I think his eyes than feet. You know,
usually most teams. They Bears don't have it, but you think,
got like a stripe on the middle of the helmet there, right,
And so in the camera when you're studying film you're
looking behind the quarterback. That stripe helps the quarterback coach
know where the eyes are because you can't see the
eyes with that tape you know, on the helmet tells
you like, oh, your eye's in the right spot.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Okay, So it really starts there.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
I think what I see out of Caleb though, is
like when you're talking about his footwork, he's throwing on top.
I'm in rhythm with the quick game, and that's very
important because you're avoiding sacks, you're getting the ball out
of your hands into the hands of the athletes. But
then where he's exceptional is when plays take a little
bit longer and you're throwing the ball down field. His
scramble ability is translating from the college game to the
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pro game, and that doesn't always happen with guys.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So I think the combination of obviously.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
They're playing good around him playing well, but the quick
game is working, and then the exceptional explosive plays that
you saw at SC they're still there as well.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
You know, he really does have a power arm. I
think he likes to throw from the pocket. He was
asked out a lot in Collogy Goes. I'd actually rather
be in the pocket. I think he likes. Some guys
like to move because they question their ability there. I
think Caleb would like to sit in the pocket for
ninety percent of the stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
I think there's still a lot of room for growth
with him, obviously. I mean that's you know, I think
it's going to get hard at some point for them.
Like it's been pretty smooth right now.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, bad teams.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, I don't want to say it that way, but yeah,
but I think it was Houston they played and it
didn't go as well, and I think that's probably more
what you're going to see out of that team a
quarter like. I think the Bears are doing a great
job of this. As you're winning games, you're developing your
young quarterback. Some people throw a young quarterback out there
and they lose and they're like, oh, well, we gotta
lose because we got our We need our young quarterback
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to develop. The Bears aren't doing that. I think they're
playing really well around him, and I think the future
is bright. I don't know if it's this year. I'm
not as sold on that team, but clearly the game
in London was huge.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
So you know, if a team is losing, it can
be a lot of things. It can be injuries. I
mean the Rams had cluster injuries at wide receiver and
O line. Okay, it can happen, but yesterday Phillies got
both their receivers Saquon Barkley. I mean they got dudes.
That's a great roster and this worries me. First two
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series off a by offensive coach Jalen's O for five
and two punts. Matt, you give McVeigh off a bye
that first series or Andy Reid, Like, I'm sorry, but
isn't that an issue?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
I mean, listen, everyone's got injuries, like you said, but
the key injuries I think for Philly, they lose those
two wide receivers, they're a completely different team. And then
when you come back, like you just never know, like
you just never know, like sometimes it takes guys. Some
guys are rusty, some guys are just ready to roll.
I think Philly. I don't think the sky is falling
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as much on Philly as I don't personally think the
sky is falling in Philly the way other people do
think Philly rights the ship. They have not looked good,
They've looked very, very bad. Sort of trust the pieces
there if they.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Can get help.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Yeah, there's transition there with like new coordinators, just a
lot of stuff and hitting adversity. I do believe that
this team they'll pull together, they won't pull apart. I
do believe in Jalen Hurts the leader, and I think
that's something that doesn't show up in stats. A lot
of people, especially in the media, they love to just
get on the stats, and like, while that's important, there's
another aspect to being a franchise quarterback that I believe
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Jalen Hurts has and that's leadership, and I think that
that counts for something. Yeah, and also the rest of
the division kind of stinks, with the exception of Washington.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
So there was a I don't think hockey guys or
football players don't quit because you get hurt, but there's
a tempo. The governor was turned down on the Cowboys yesterday,
Like it's just not quite there. And it's easy for
us to blame dak or Mike McCarthy, but your owner's
your GM and they've been hit and miss undrafting. Not terrible,
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But I do feel like, and I've said this about
the Lakers for years, is that there's too many people
that are friends and relatives of the Lakers and not
enough outside influence. And I feel with a cowboy, there's
a lot of Jones in the building and it's like
it's when they succeeded. Parcels came in and Jimmy Johnson
came in, and I look at this organization as kind
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of insular. Matt, how do I Baltimore ran them over?
Detroit random over. I watched last year Green Bay the
same ran them over. Is it just possible it's a
mediocre roster.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, I think injuries are huge.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
You know, you take again, you take away some superstars,
you know, you take away just one guy, take away
Michael Parsons is a different team, right And I'm not
in the building, so I can't speak to that, but
I can't speak to the film. And I would just
say this, when a defense you mentioned tempo, when they
struggle to line up, like then you're like Dallas defense
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used to.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Be the aggressor. They used to come out under Dan Quintin.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
And had this idea of like, no, no, we don't
even need our offense to score. We're gonna score. Like
that was the mindset of the Dallas defense. Now you
see the Dallas defense like not even lining up on
time the ball is snapped. The d line doesn't even
have their hands in the dirt.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
You know, they're.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
In a bunch set, a cluster formation, and the dbs
haven't even decided like who's got who, who's got inside,
who's got outside, Like they're not even lining up, and
you know, it just kind of reminds me a little
bit too, like that's pre snap.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Now talk about post snap.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
So the I I heard the defensive coordinator for the
Green Bay Packers, Jeff Affley say this once and I
thought it was excellent. The love how much you love
your teammate and how accountable you are to your teammate
can be measured on defense by.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
How close you are to the ball when the whistle
is blown. Pursuit effort.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
You know, you hear people this year talking about guys
on defense making business decisions.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
They don't want to tackle a Derrick Henry.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
They don't want to tackle in a game that's already
out of hand like stuff like that. I think effort
in your pursuit to the ball matters a lot on
defense too, And that's another thing. Just put it on
the list that I think needs to get corrected in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
How much is this though? Detroit's very unique. The Patriots
could do this at their prime is that they can
run with power, they can do trick plays, they can
be cute. It's very rare. Usually because of a salary cap.
You got a hole. If you do the power game,
you're not cute. You know. Baltimore for years didn't have
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great receivers Mark Andrews, but they can do the power game.
But they weren't gonna beat you down the field. And
I watch I watched this team and I'm like, they're
a little like a younger version of the Niners. They
just they got personnel, they kind of do everything.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Yeah, I mean that was fun to watch, right, Detroit's offense.
It kind of reminds me and listen Detroit. If you've
been following the NFL for a long time, Detroit's been
picked on. They've been the joke, you know for many years,
Like they've been like the team that no one counts on.
They've been bullied a little bit, yeah, right, And you
know when you play, when you play in the NFL,
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it's very common when you go out and you're leaving
the locker room pep talk or whatever, the coach or
a guy on the team says, we're gonna go out
and we're gonna hit him in the mouth in their house,
you know. But like it's like it's just talk right right.
When Detroit says it, it feels different. When Dan Campbell
says it, it feels different. There's something about this team
that's like fed up. And I worked with Rex Ryan
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for a long time, and you know I remember Rex
like really believing in Dan Campbell and really believing.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
In this Detroit team.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
And he would see, you know, talk about the book
and he's like, you just watch one of these days.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
You know, one of these days.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Detroit's gonna say enough and they're going to go into
like the bully's house. And like, in my mind, I'm
picturing like, you know, George McFly and Biff, you know,
get your damn hands off or Biff, you know, and
then you knock them out, like you hit them in
the mouth at their place on primetime. You know, like
this is the Dallas Cowboys, who better to do it against?
And that's what they did, and everything was different after that. Everything,
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And that's how I feel about this Detroit team. Like
they sent a message. They lost their best player. They
did whatever they wanted to do in the passing game,
perfect passer rating, they did whatever they wanted to do
in the running game. They're trying to throw touchdowns offensive linemen.
They're throwing hooking laterals to offensive linemen, like they sent
a message. And Ben Johnson, like, you know, he could
have left last year and been a head coach. He said, no,
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there's something special brewing here. I'm staying maybe I'm not
ready to be a head coach. This is what I'm
meant to do. This is what I love to do.
So I think they got something special. Now they're gonna
hit adversity because they lost you know, Aiden Hutchinson, but
the trade deadline hasn't happened. There's players all around the
league on bad teams like you know, I don't name names,
but like a Max Crosby or like somebody like that
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that would fit nicely, and they're saying, man, get me
to Detroit. There's something special about Detroit. I want to
be on a team like that. That's how I play
the game, and I want to be on that team.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
So tonight, I think it's very interesting. So my general
rule on football is if you are talented and play
poorly like the Cowboys, they'll probably play better next week.
I don't think they're great. So Aaron Rodgers probably had
his worst game as a pro. I mean, all three
picks were bad. Aaron has maybe one of those a month.
He had three in one game. And my guess is
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they they made a move at OC which I think
was a right move. Sometimes it's uncomfortable with a new guy,
but I actually think the Jets will play really, really
well tonight. I have to ask you. I know the
guy was in the building, but replacing the play caller,
how difficult is it.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
It's hard to been a part of it. It's tough,
but it's in the short term. I agree with you.
It's a good thing. It's a wake up call. Things change,
a fresh set of eyes. Someone who's had success somewhere
else understands, like you know what, I know what this
team can. It's not about what we can't do, It's
about what this team can do. Okay, But I think
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the other thing that I don't think people ever talk
about is it now becomes a blind date for the
Buffalo Bills. They don't know, Like it's so much analytics
and film study and like, are on third and three
to six they're sixty five percent that on third and
seven to ten they're thirty two percent. This, Like it's
so much analytics that goes into it. Now now it's
literally like you don't really know. Like in fact, if
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I was the Jets, I don't think I would have
announced who the play caller was because that even gives
them more of a competitive advantage, right, So, like they
don't really know Jeff Ulbrick, Like, I mean, I know
Jeff Olbrick played against him for years. He coached me
in Seattle, But like, I don't know what's he gonna
do as a head coach. Is he gonna be a
guys going forward and fourth down? You know, what are
they gonna do offensively? Are they going to be more
like what Downing's done in the past. Are they going
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to have more control for Aaron Rodgers less?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Like?
Speaker 6 (19:14):
So, I just really think that you're gonna see a
different tempo and energy because there's gonna be a part
of the team in New York. That's like, Man, we
let our coaching staff down, we let our head coach down,
we let our oc down. We gotta we gotta play different.
We got to play more the way that they would
want to would have wanted us to play. And then
also just the unknown. And I think that's a that's
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a tough thing.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
In the long run, I think it catches up to you. Yeah,
But but for right now.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Tonight look out. So you know, it's interesting I've defended
Lamar Jackson for three years on this show that he's
really much more consistent in the pocket than people think.
The quarterback that isn't now is Josh Allen. So he
plays tonight. So I think Lamar is remarkable. But I
want to stay on the Buffalo Jets. What troubles me
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with Kyler Murray's inconsistency. I almost feel like, because I've
had it so sourced from players, executives to coaches around Kyler,
there's some immaturity issues, there are some commitment issues. I
don't hear that with Josh. My sources say he's totally committed,
immature kid, locker room leader. We are getting to a
point though with Josh is I feel he's a bit
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oc dependent, although everybody is. The inconsistency is a bit troubling.
Where does that come from. It's not that he loses
his arm strength or ability.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
No, I think he's great.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
I mean, I think Josh Allen's one of the most
talented quarterbacks I've ever watched.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Sometimes you can try to do too much. Sometimes you
can be a little.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Careless, like he's careless with his body, and like, you know,
Andrew Luck was that way, Like he was careless with
his body. He's one of the reasons that he was
so fun to watch and his teammates loved him. Like, man,
this dude is laying it out on the like he's
landed on the line for us, for our team. But
there's a there's a fine line between being careless with
your body and being careless with the football. And like,
I think that's the tough thing. And so how do
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you do that as a quarterback with split second decisions?
And you know, the best way that I've ever heard
it described, Clyde Christiansen was the quarterback coach in Indy.
We're coaching Andrew Luck, and it was Andrew was kind
of going through one of these, you know, parts of
the season, just like Josh.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Allen has had sometimes. And this so Clyde brings this
admiral in from.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
The Navy to talk about how they trained fighter pilots
to cut it loose, to trust their training, be aggressive.
You're the best in the world at what you do.
But at the same time, that fighter jet that you
have doesn't belong to you. You don't get to just
hit a jet whenever you want, like it belongs to
the taxpayers. It's millions and millions of dollars. And in
the same way that football doesn't belong to you. You
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need to be more careful with that football. Now, how
do you do it?
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Do you play defensive like a driver's ed sixteen and
a half year old? No, you don't.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
You cut it loose and you trust your training, but
you have to have respect for the fact that, like,
if you want to be reckless with your body, fine,
you don't get to be reckless with that football.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I love the coaches bring in fighter pilots. That is great.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
It's kind of like one of those mister Miagi moments too,
because you get you get a big game the next
day and you're like, all right, you know, what's the
first fifteen plays going to be? And then all of
a sudden, like an admiral from the Navy comes in,
and you're like, I mean, what is this wax on?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Wax off? What is this even good for? Why do
we need to know about fighter pilots? And then all
of a sudden, like it's over, and you're just.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Like, oh, like the light bulb goes off, Like that
was epic, Like that was like next level.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
It was a Hall of Fame coaching. And I'll never
forget it. Miss years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
It's probably ten and eleven years ago, and you know,
I'm coaching high school football now and I still look
for those types of nuggets because I think it's even harder.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
To coach.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Kid distracted.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Well, it's it's harder to.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Coach really creative players who feel like, hey, I know,
I already know, I know, coach I know, and so like,
think about what that's like coaching the game's best, the
Josh Allen's, the Patrick Mahomes, you know, those types of guys.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
You have to get creative.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I want to ask you one college question. So everybody
beats up on Will Howard at Ohio State. You know,
he scrambles, he doesn't get down in time. But I
had said, going into this game for an eighteen nineteen,
twenty twenty one year old college players, NFL is different
to travel three thousand miles. I guarantee a ninety nine
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percent of that roster had never been to the Pacific Northwest.
That's one of the loudest places. So everybody's beaten up
on Will Howard, and I'm like, I get it, like
you're I mean, Andy Reid got crushed for clock management
until he got my homes and the minute Brady left
New England, everybody said Belichick's clock management is terrible. Take
me to how hard it is in these last moments
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or did you was it easier for you?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Well it's different this year, right, because now the college
game has the coach to quarterback communication system. Guys like
David Shaw were fighting for this forever because they had
to signal it in I mean, you can remember like
college quarterbacks like taking a knee on fourth down or sorry,
spiking it, I'm fourth down, Like it's just hard, Like
these are college kids, right, you know, I mean I
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played eighteen years in the NFL. I threw more touchdown.
I through more interceptions than touchdowns in college, I was
a kid. I rushed for negative two hundred and eighty
eight yards in my college career. Like, I mean, so
who am I to pile onto a college kid? But
I do think like now that the coach to quarterback
communication system is there, more responsibility falls on the coaching staff,
and I think that that's a kind of a welcome thing.
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But no, the whole thing's tough. I mean, these guys
are also going to school. It's it's it's crazy. So
like we have professionalized I call it professional amateur sports
with college football.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Play crack and field a little bit. There are amateurs
but getting paid.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
No doubt.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
And so the scrutiny is on these especially at the
top schools, the rare air schools, the scrutiny is on
those quarterbacks, just like it is on these pro guys.
And I just think it's tough, like the the lack
of experience, the you know, like still going to school,
like all of it. I do think it's tough. So
I'm like usually the last guy to pile on onto
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those guys. And again because like if you were to
evaluate me at that time. I mean, mistakes all over
the place. And the good thing about mistakes as you
learned from them, but in the moment. But to do
it under the microscope like these guys got to do
is very very tough.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I one more I've said this. You were mechanically very sound.
You moved well. When I watched Shador Sanders moving forward back, left, right,
he's just accurate. CJ Stroud has this. CJ's just accurate.
Some guys mechanically and Sam Darnold his mechanics needed like training.
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So I watched the dour this weekend with the bad
old line and no run game and its top two
receivers out, and I'm like, man, that is that is
effortlessly accurate. Was accuracy easy for you? Did you ever
see somebody in the league that you thought was great
but actually had to put the time into accuracy And.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Like, oh, yeah, without a doubt.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
But you know, I also think, like there's all these
hidden things that I think quarterbacks respect, the offensive linemen
and respect, and I think they just kind of go unnoticed.
You know a lot of times people say, oh, the
offensive line's bad. Well, you can like at the end
of the year in the NFL at the end of
the year. Every year you assigned blame for the sacks.
They kind of assigned blame oll that was on the guard,
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that was on the tackle, that was on the quarterback,
whatever that was on the coach, that was on the scheme.
But like when we would do that in the off season,
I would kind of say, like, Okay, what could I
have done different? Like what could I have done different?
Even if the blame wasn't technically on me. And I
think there's something to throwing the ball shorter on time
at times and also just finding a way to throw
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the ball away. So like it, you know, when they
were in their heyday, Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers were like
leading the league in throwaways. And to me, that's avoiding sacks.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Now.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Is that hurting your quarterback rating? Yeah? You know, is
that hurting your own personal stats?
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Is that helping the team though? Yes? Is that helping
the offensive line?
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And so I think there are quarterbacks who do an
amazing job of protecting the team with not taking sacks,
and then there's other guys that it's just like you know,
your fingernails on a chalkboard.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
They'll take a sack.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
When there was absolutely no reason to take a sack
and you put your team behind. Now, it hurts the offense,
it hurts the defense. So I think that's an area
where more athletic quarterbacks because they can get away with scrambling.
I think that's an area, like I've mentioned to you,
I think Steve Young was a guy that he said
it was hardest for me because I knew I could
trust my legs, and for you know a lot of guys,
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Like big games. This weekend Minnesota Detroit's a big one.
I'm going to take the vikings in that one. You know,
it's funny when I go around the country wherever I'm at,
how many Viking fans there are, and how appreciative Viking
fans are of us in the media saying nice things
about their team. I run into somebody from Minnesota, and
I am not joking. I run into a Viking fan
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every day of the week somewhere in Los Angeles. Could
go up out to get coffee or you know, you're
going to get something, Jim, Viking fans, we hear you.
They're so appreciative that because I think they think we're
all kind of rolling our eyes. Minnesota looks like the
best team in the league, better than Kansas City on
a lot of Sundays, and I think off of Bye
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they're going to be a handful for Detroit. I like
Minnesota in that spot. Jmack with the News.
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Speaker 5 (29:06):
Jim Harball had a scary moment uh Sunday Chargers Broncos.
He went to the blue medical ten in the first
quarter and then went back to the locker room. The
Chargers designated Harball questionable to return. This is the head coach,
By the way, Harball eventually came back to the sidelines
and coached the rest of the game.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Afterward, he was joking about the health scare tu oh with.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
Uh an arrhythmias. Yeah, I could tell her there's there
was some irregular beats. Co I am qualified to talk about.
This is me I'm allowed to you know.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Uh yeah, nobody could quite figure it out. His brother
John like stopped his press conference short when he heard
about it. So this is something else he's he is.
Uh that game yesterday j Mack was one of the
easier ones to pick. So Chargers had both their tackles back.
Their receiving corps is limited, and it got beat up
Herby I think was concussims. Yeah, I mean, so Herbert,
(30:03):
there's always something missing for Justin Herbert. It's either his
old line or his receivers. He's never really had a
full healthy compliment for a month of his career. But yeah,
I think that they came out obviously on script Greg Roman.
They came out and took command of that game immediately.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
So it was some guy caught a touchdown pass from
Herbert and I'm looking at his number on like thirty seven.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 5 (30:25):
It was some name someone named Kimani Vidal. I'd never
heard his name before. They caught an awesome touchdown pass
from Herbert. This is who Herbert's throwing too randoms. Just
to be clear though, this was twenty three nothing in
the fourth quarter before a lot of garbage time stuff
from the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
No, no, no, no, I know you got.
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Bo Nicks.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Bowen. I don't want to go back.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
To Friday's Perty versus bo Nicks thing, but bo Nicks
I think had twenty two yards passing in the first half.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
He was three for ten.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah. Comment on bo Nix's I don't know that throw
well to Courtland Sutton in the back of the end
zone was pretty Listen, Nate, Here's what I'll say about Bonex.
People always bang on quarterbacks. They're padding stats. He made
that a game. If they get a fourth down conversion,
they are down three doing the on side kicker Rooney.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Charge Chargers were like prevot defense for like the last
twelve bottom line is impressive from the Charger.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
This could continue again. That's what you should look like. Hey,
come on, Eli, off of by you should look like
what the Chargers did Philadelphia off of Bye zero for
five and two punts like off of bye with an
offensive coach the charge. I mean you literally the second
series of the game, you're like, oh, Chargers going this
football game. They're in total control of the game. Very
impressive stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Next story Colin is Drake May got his first start Sunday.
He was buying the eight ball quickly against the Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
This was a corner TV game.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I did have a really nice touchdown pass.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
They had to give Hi props on that one to
Boote who cooked Derek Stingley.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I need to mention Derek Stingley got roasted again.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
May was up and down. I thought he was kind
of good. Tough spot.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
His head coach said. May was the least of the
team's problems.
Speaker 9 (32:07):
I thought he showed a lot of foys. I thought
he went out there and controlled the huddle, got those
guys out of the huddle.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
And once again make some place.
Speaker 9 (32:13):
And it's definitely encouraging, you know, as you know, from
a team wide perspective, right now, we're just we're not.
We let him down. You know, it was his first
game and I feel like I let him down. I'm
sure all the coaches feel like we let everyone down.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And you just got to be better.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, I mean, I just I'm gonna hold him to
a lower standard. They don't have much to work with.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Well, let's you could say that, but May had more
touchdown passes in one game than Brissett had in the
first five. May had three touchdown passes. I know the
game state was they're trailing by a million, But for me,
I thought Drake May looked pretty good. A couple bad throws,
but it's his first start. Remember what Kleb and Jaden
they all lost their first start. Yeah, and Drake May
showed well. Here's some numbers from yesterday. I will point
(32:57):
out first quarter Houston had ten first downs, Patriots at zero.
And Joe Mixon is back. We've talked about him on
the show a lot. He is so pivotal to that offense.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Hewn well, it's much easier to throw it on second
and four and third and two, and when you had
also it just allows it allows the quarterback to throw
on his terms more often than when you're on third
and seven and can't run. You're throwing on the defense's terms.
So I think if Joe Mixon a real workhorse, a
(33:27):
power runner with speed, I think if he's healthy, Houston
can win their division and win a playoff game. I
don't think they're quite mature enough or ready for They
remind me of Green Bay in the NFC. If they
got to the conference championship, I would not be surprised,
but I'm not sure they're hoisted trophy yet.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Well, no Nicocollins, and I was worried about Diggs against
Christian Godales. Diggs did it, had a great game. Digs
was very good catch and everything. I missed this in
the handicap. The Patriots six games now have started six
different offensive lines to begin the game.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
That's how bad they're so beat up.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Colin, their starting center for Drake May's first start, was
a practice squad player on the Raiders last week and
they just brought him over. That's how desperate they are.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Patriots could be, could be the worst team in the league.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
It's oh, I think they are. I think the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Panthers are definitely down there.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Panthers are They're really I think it's I think it's
And my takeaway is when we get to the draft,
everybody's going to understand that Chaduere Sanders is the number
one and everybody's gonna understand Travis Hunters the second best
player in the country. Oh, I think he's going to
be number two. I think Colorado's got the two best
players in the sport, and then I think, I don't
(34:39):
think they have any in the next fifty.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I know you were party on Saturday night, but were
you really boozing it up? I mean, were you watching
that Colorado game and you're like, come on.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Hot, Shadeur's could he's got something? They were driving for
a they were driving for a score at the end,
and I'm talking no run game, two receivers out. Kid
throws from four hundred yards.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
He's he's good, But like, I'm not saying he's a
slam dunk number one.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I do after this weekend. I don't think he's Caleb
Williams as a prospect. I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I don't think he is. I think he's closer. I
don't even know what his comp is. But he's not
Caleb Williams. He's not Camp.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Ward's gotta impress you against Louis Nan.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I'm out on camp, You're out on kim It. But
I'm just gonna mind listen.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I think I heard some of the same stuff before
he got to Miami. I'll just say that, but forget
all right, we'll go That's gonna be a fun debate
here for the next five months.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Final story Colin is Uh.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Spencer Rattler of the Saints got his first start, fifth
round pick. The numbers were not awful, but in the
second half, Todd Wols just said, we're just gonna come
after the young kid and blitz the hell out of him.
And he could do nothing, and Tampa Bay dominated the
second half. Coach Dennis Allen said the team didn't do
enough to help their quarterback.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
For all, I thought he did some good things. I
mean there were some encouraging things, uh, some things that
he's gonna learn from, you know, from a mistakes standpoint
on his part. I don't think we did enough around
him to help him.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, I think they're gonna I think I'd take some
big swings if I was New Orleans in the offseason,
I think I do another staff, another staff.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
So I had to just look this up to Dennis
Allen's a defensive coach. Historically, do you ever had five
hundred ninety four yards of offense eight point three yards
per play?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, and he's a defensive coach.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Mike Mike Evans I think left the game in the
second first quarter, second quarter or something like that, and
they rang up five hundred ninety four yards of offense.
Had you heard of Sean Tucker before? I mean, I
gotta go grab him fantasy. This guy went off against
the Saints. The Saints defense, coach by defensive guy Dennis Allen,
has not been good.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And uh sath Broncos Thursday. I think it's Thursday Night football.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Oh, I've got Sean Payton returned bon Nicks, gonna get
a little heater. He's gonna take that fourth quarter mo
into Thursday.
Speaker 5 (37:00):
As Dennis Allen coach the Saints by Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
No, although they have stable ownership, really smart GM, they
may just keep it there. But that division, I think
you'd probably make a move.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
They won two in a row to start the season.
Now four straight losses increasingly bad. I know there's injuries
and you're starting rattit.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
I think they may. I think they may elevate Kubiak.
Clint Kubiak.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
They don't want to let they can't let him leave
the Bills because he's going to get interviews runs well, give.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Him the job. Knows the personnel knows the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
I think you nailed that, h J.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the
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Speaker 5 (37:43):
Sunday, it's a huge NFL double letter on Fox. First
at one Eastern, the Lions take on the Vikings or
other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week,
it's a Super Bowl rematch as Patrick Mahomes and the
Chiefs battle Brock perty the Niners.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
When they have Fox said the Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Sports out Brock Purty against my Homes makes some judgments
on that. So Matt Hasselbeck was in studio thirty minutes
ago and we talked about the Jets. I think the
Jets and the points tonight is decide. Aaron played about
as badly as Aaron Rodgers is going to play as
(38:22):
a New York Jet. It was a London game, and no,
it was it a London game over there against Minnesota. Yeah,
it was a London game. So now they're back tonight.
Buffalo is a team that's reeling and beat up. They
have a new interim coach for the Jets, Jeff Ulbrich
as they face the Bills tonight, and Matt talked about.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
That it's a good thing. It's a wake up call.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
Things change, A fresh set of eyes understands, like, you
know what, I know what this team can It's not
about what we can't do.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It's about what this team can do.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
I just really think that you're going to see a
different tempo and energy because there's going to be a
part of the team in New York that's like, man,
we let our coaching staff down.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, like the Jets tonight to play really competitive football.
And what's interesting is when they got rid of Sala,
who I think was the best coach on the staff.
I don't think it's ever the right time to do
the wrong thing, And I don't think you should ever
get rid of the best coach on the staff. A
lot of times you can have a head coach and me,
he may not be a head coach and you have
a great offensive coordinator who's actually the best coach on
(39:28):
the staff. That happens, But I thought Sala was the
best coach on the staff. So you just you're losing
brain power, You're losing somebody that's really an expert. And
I don't think the Jets defense will be quite as
good because now the interim coach who was a coordinator
moves up and he's got different responsibilities. So it just
(39:48):
throws everything off a little bit. But I think the
offense will look better tonight Nett. Hackett's been sort of demoted,
not sort of, he has been. I expect to see
more motion, a little bit more clever. It's very Garrett
Wilson oriented. Also, they've got to get Breese hallmore touches.
The run game is sort of vanished, So I think
they'll be an inspired lot. And I would say this,
(40:11):
you know, if they lose tonight, this thing could go sideways.
We looked at the Jets schedule. We said this, it
was built to win early. The schedule was built to
win early. We didn't think Minnesota was a loss. We
thought Minnesota would be a fourth place team. Okay, it's
a loss. We started looking at these games. We didn't
think Tennessee would even compete with them.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
They did.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
We knew they'd probably get housed by the Niners to
open the season. We sort of bake that in. But
you start losing this game at home against Buffalo. We
thought this would be a game you're supposed to win.
Buffalo is a little beat up, so it maybe the
Jets night. Looking forward to it. Dodgers. By the way,
(40:54):
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game two, Mets throwing their number two starters, so you
talk about must must win for the Mets. Today Dodgers
have not allowed a run in thirty three innings using
twelve different pitchers, which is yes, it sounds historic. It
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