November 11, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Jim Harbaugh and wrong about the Steelers
3-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck joins the show in studio to diagnose the issues the Bears are having on offense after another ugly game for QB Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hasselback in studio. How lucky are we? In five minutes,
Jaymack and I already have a strong disagreement. I like
what I'm seeing from Pittsburgh. I feel it's like Seahawks light.
I like it a lot. Again, can it hoist a trophy?
I'm not sure. I don't think so, but I love
the Chargers. I don't think they're ready to hoist a
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trophy yet. I do think there are steps in this league,
and it's hard to turn everything around in six to
eight weeks. But I'm liking those Steelers, and I have
no problem acknowledging I thought this organ is was toned
af to offense. I did not think they could save it,
and they've made the right acquisitions. You gotta give it
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You gotta give Mike Tomlin credit. They were four and
two off a win, and he benched Justin Fields. He's
watching practice. I'm not. So that's a defensive coach who
could have easily said I'm sticking with a popular young guy,
and he didn't. He went with Russell Wilson. So it matters.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
J mack.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Fun Sunday separation Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Just looking at the Steelers schedule, that was impressive.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Wins over the Raiders, the Jets, the Giants, all those
teams drafted in the top seven.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Nicely done.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You gotta beat who's on the schedule, of course you do.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. In a
Monday where Colin was right, I said, for years, can
somebody just give Justin Herbert the right coach? He'll be
magnificent eleven touchdowns, one pick. I also said, I think
Jim Harball is on a short list of of the
greatest football coaches we've ever had in the Jimmy Johnson, Belichick,
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Andy Reid, Colleger pro does as matter. He has literally
changed the entire franchise in the culture. In ten weeks.
This was something we said, I thought the Chargers just
with a coaching change and a couple of draft picks,
could go from the worst team in the league to
eleven wins. And here we are where Colin was rough.
I thought Kayleb Williams would have rough spots. I didn't
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think it would dissolve into this. It is a mess.
Some of it's on him. Listen, all of his weaknesses
are coming to the surface, and his strengths they apparently
as a staff can't coach him up, but guys off.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
A by.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
His passer rating last three weeks is sixty four. Like
he's completing in that we're getting to the t bow
category like fifty four percent. Like it's again he's a
rookie quarterback. I didn't think it was going to be pretty.
I didn't think it would ever look like this.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I told you you better not fire Robert sala He
is the best coach by a long shot on that staff,
and the defense has gotten worse. I also said this
would not be a playoff team. Aaron Rodgers is talented.
He's not a savior. Lamar Jackson's good enough to win
you games, you shouldn't. Aaron Rodgers at this point is
a forty year old off Achille surgery. Even last year
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is last year in Green Bay. He wasn't a dominant player.
The Jets are worse than I thought, but I never
saw him as a playoff team. Where Colin was raw.
The Georgia Bulldogs with a dud. They got hammered by
Old Miss. They're just a really uneven football team. And
you take out Lad mcconkee and Brock Bauers and Carson Beck.
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He's just a guy. Even with their talent seventeen touchdowns,
twelve picks, they don't protect the passer particularly well. Listen,
Old Miss is a good team. There's no shame in
losing to Ole Miss and Lane Kiffen. But Georgia is
a much more uneven football team than I thought they were.
Where Colin was right, I said last two weeks. If
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I was the Cowboys, I would go with a soft tank.
I think this is a three win team that should
end that with four. They put Trey Lanton in the
third quarter. I think Jerry sees it. There's no point here.
Look at the games remaining. I don't think you'll beat Carolina.
Keep your eye on the injury list. I think Dallas
pulls starters yesterday, no reason to get people hurt. I'm
not sure if I play Micah Parsons from this point out.
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I'm dead serious. I think this team is eight to
nine players away from being as good as Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
I don't think they're close. And you saw it yesterday
where Colin was real, Colorado second place in the Big Twelve.
The minute I called them the fake idea of college football,
they apparently turned twenty one. They're getting into the club legitimately.
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Now they're over five. Deon Sanders is over five hundred.
Deserves total credit because remember how bad the first year was.
They're throwing tortillas of truth apparently at them. They beat
Texas Tech. Listen, they do a lot of things right.
Warren sap tip of the captain, Warren sapp as defensive
line coach. That's been like the issue in the program.
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Got that solved, So I like shdoor Sanders. That's never
been the question. I thought this program was a lot
of sizzle, not a lot of steak. They got both.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Now where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know, I love me some bow Nicks. I kept
saying when he was struggling early. He's good there's some
Drew Brees here. He's mobile, he's poised, he's efficient. He's
not making the mistakes he did early. He had a
great final drive and that's a real Kansas City defense here.
He's not making the mistakes he was. I think this
kid can really play. This is not a great roster,
and that is a great Kansas City roster. That final
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drive is an indication that the Denver Broncos and Sean
Payton they found their guy. He may not have the
upside of blah blah blah, but I'm telling you from efficiency, smarts, mobility,
he's athletic. They got their.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Guy where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The Warriors are eight and two, the number one rebounding
team in the league. They're better defensively now without Klay Thompson.
I didn't think they'd be a playoff team. They're playing
twelve players, so Steph Curry Fresher. They're better defensively. They
just they're deep. A twelve man rotation is unheard of
in the NBA. They've beaten both the Celtics and OKC.
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Those are my picks for the two best teams in
the league. The tooms and teams that will meet in
the finals, so I didn't think they were a playoff team.
I thought they should just start over. But their depth,
their freshness, Steph isn't having to play forty minutes to night.
I was wrong on the Warriors so far, where Colin
was right. Love me some Kyler Murray seventeen straight completions.
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I've said, I think he's a better version of Russell
Wilson in his prime. He's a better athlete, and Russell
was a great athlete. I think the kid throws the
prettiest ball in the league this year, seventy percent completions
during the four game winning streak, seven touchdowns. You tell me,
how do you defend him? I mean, it's just he
is one of those guys that if you're a defensive coordinator,
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there's no complete answer to how to stop him. And
now he's got Harrison and McBride and Connor. Give this
organization credit, but it all starts with Kyler Murray. I
know the video game stuff. I know, maybe he's not coachable.
Well you know what, maybe it was the people that left.
They can't all be on the kid. I've loved him
for years. I've supported him. I hear the critics but
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when I watch games with him starting, and you watch
him and Aaron Rodgers, it doesn't look like the same sport.
I mean that that kid's energy, that kid's mobility, that
kid's accuracy even when he's running, is something special. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
And with that, eighteen years, three Pro Bowls, the Super Bowl,
Matt Hasselbeck is joining us in studio. I didn't even
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know we were going to get him live today. I mean,
what a gift. Like, Yeah, we don't get many of those,
So let's start with this. It's that the Nat Hackett
year when Russell went to Denver, he was going to
kind of be the savior, and I think that stuff's hard.
Matt Stafford wasn't asked to save the Rams. They were good,
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even Tampa and Tom good players. I mean, they were
an offensive machine. There were number three in scoring. He
just had to clean him up. But Russell goes to
Denver and it's like, save us. They don't have the
right coach. You know, they gave up draft capital. I
watch him in Pittsburgh. I get the good deep ball,
I get the optimism, I get some of the mobility.
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It's pretty good team, right.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah, this is a great fit. And I would say
it's kind of it's more similar to what he was
in Seattle. Like I don't know if it was like
save us as much as it was he got there
and he was like, hey, I'm here to save you.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I think there was like some humility that needed to
happen there for him as well. But this is the
perfect situation for him. I mean, you got a great defense,
you have an iconic head coach who like just screams leadership,
and I think Russell Wilson screams leadership. Also, he brings
a lot of steadiness, of veteran presence, and he's got
one of the best deep balls in the game. Despite
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the lack of mobility that he has now compared to
what he once was, he's still excellent at the line
of scrimmage and that deep ball. With the new receivers
that he's got with Pickins and now Mike Williams, that's
just a perfect fit for him.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, it's interesting that, you know, Russell, it may
not be for everybody, but I will say this, we
know because of his side. I saw it a couple
times yesterday he's not as great in the pocket, and
some guys are just when you're when you're five to
eleven and the offensive linemen are six eight, it's hard.
I mean, you're you're I'm six two. You're taller than me.
Sometimes it is hard to see things. There is that
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why he's so good at the deep ball that it
has become kind of his life preserver when he struggles
to see stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Well, I would say this like height is no longer
a thing. Like when I was coming out in the
draft class of ninety eight Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, you
had to be six foot four taller or they won't
even really consider you. But there's some shorter quarterbacks that
play tall and the ball jumps out of Russell Wilson's
hands like the ball gets up and down, and specifically
on the deep ball. You know how when I was
in the NFL, how we would get graded on the
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deep ball. It wasn't like if it was completed or
all that there was a lot that went into it,
but basically if the nose of the ball was turning
coming down when the ball was halfway there, that was
like a plus grade. If the nose of the ball
was up that was a minus grade. Really didn't even
matter if the ball was completing.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You want some altitude on it.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You need the altitude and you need that ball turning over.
Think three point shooter with good arc on the ball.
And like that's what you saw on the touchdown pass
to Mike Williams. He had like great air, the receiver
can find the ball. It comes down the chimney, so
to speak. And that one wasn't like great coverage on
that play. But that's an example even when it is
great coverage. You saw Russell Wilson do this for years.
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You know that's exactly what you're looking for from a
quarterback on a deep ball, and he's got that. I
don't care how tall you are, it's how you throw
the football.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So this is where you have a real value for
our audience. And I love this. It's easy for me
to just blame Eberflus, but it can't be this bad
without also being Caleb. Like it just now. I don't
think they're scheming up as many layups as they could,
but his accuracy has not been good. So when you
watch this, some of it's on Caleb too.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Right.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
I would say ninety percent of it is on the quarterback.
Like if I'm coaching the quarterback and they were at
nine sacks yesterday, I'm putting at least six of those
on the quarterback. And just like with Russell Wilson, like
we're sitting here talking about the deep ball to Mike Williams,
he knows like that's a blitz situation. Like Caleb, he's
a young quarterback. So I'm not trying to throw stones
at him because of the mistakes. I'm not surprised by
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the mistakes. I they just expectations are going to be
higher because you do have guys like Jayden Daniels playing
such good football. Bow Nicks is playing good football. Drake
May's even playing good football, and so I think the
boo birds are going to be out with Caleb. But
to sit there and to say that it's you know,
there aren't places to go with the ball, or there
aren't ways to avoid.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sad I'm missing, Like that ball do Adunda in the
end zone? He missed it badly.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
And listen, people are going to miss throws. The greatest
quarterback in the world, Patrick Mahomes miss his guys who
are open, like it's gonna happen. But just understanding. Like
the growth of a quarterback, it always starts with pass protection. Always,
It's not about throwing the ball. It's really just about
pass protection least the number one thing, and understanding how
to avoid sacks, how to help your team, how to
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help your defense, how to help your offensive line, and
like right now, like one of the reasons why you
don't play a quarterback early is because you don't want
him to get shook. You don't want him dropping his
eyes and looking at the rush. You don't want him
moving around and scrambling when there's no reason to scramble.
And that's the danger with a young quarterback. And I
just think they got to be careful how they treat
this guy, because he's got a ton of talent, but
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clearly the confidence is not there like it was at USC.
It's just not there.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Well, for the record, I had two executives tell me
before they drafted him. They said, listen, he's erratic. Both said,
I think with the right coach, you can coach it
out of him. But he misses. He misses some easy stuff.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Well, and I think if you just take a quick
look at like sort of what Sean Payton did with
bo Nix yesterday it was up tempo. You know, gets
the up tempo gets the defense to chill out a
little bit. Yeah, Caleb and the Bears were at the
line of scrimmage for a long time. Just about every
play the New England Patriots have a chance to audible.
They have a chance to recognize the formation and say, Okay,
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this is the formation. Here's what we're gonna do, you know,
and so like I just think tempo is a secret weapon.
Like Mike Congrin was so good about this. Bill Waltsh
was so good about this. Andy Reid's really good about this.
You know, Sean Payton did a great job using the tempo,
using basically the fact that you know what the play
is on offense and the defense needs time to react,
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like using that as a weapon. You saw Sean McVeigh
do it when he first got to LA. It's such
a tool that people use. Some people use it well,
some people just give it away and they don't use
it as a weapon. And I think it's just it
makes it a lot tougher for a young quarterback to
now behind the center and kind of redirect protection, know
where you're hot, you know, all those kinds of things.
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It's you know, I think there are some things that
they could do to help them.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I was saying, Detroit's been on a heater for
about eight weeks. I think I was most impressed with
him last night to play like that. It was clear
Houston doesn't get a lot of standalone games Sunday night
football in Houston. They got the new unis Like you
could feel it. It felt like a playoff game and they
were I mean, even their old line, which is the
best in the league, kind of got pushed around in
the first half like that. You could tell they just
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didn't match the energy of Houston and they were just
back on their heels. But to be able to go
touchdown field, goalfield, go, let's get it right, let's make
some plays. I thought it was really impressive.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yeah, I'm glad you said it. I would say it
felt like a playoff game to Houston, Like Houston came
out with as a more physical team.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Question.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
You know, Detroit didn't look like they were showing up
for a playoff game, like they looked like they were
sleepwalking flat footage. That was bad, you know, but Houston
brought it. They had the energy the prime time like
you mentioned, and you know, but I do think just
talking about Detroit, this was awesome for Detroit. It is
so good that they played like this and won because
you know what they do. They going at halftime, and
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I remember being in games like this, Like I remember
a wildcard game. I'm with the Indianapolis Colts Andrew Lux,
the quarterback, were down like twenty eight points and we
come in at halftime, and what do we say, Andrew,
And everybody's saying the same thing, like, hey, there's no
such thing as a fourteen point touchdown. There's no such thing.
We'll get the ball one play at a time, one
drive at a time, one touchdown at a time. And
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we said it like exactly how we said it. Chuck
Pagonoll gets in there and he's like, hey, one play
at a time. All you got sixty minutes. That's what
we said pregame. Don't judge the scoreboard every play, you know,
let's see what happens. And we win the game. And like,
I just think, even though we played like trash like
and they played terrible, Detroit did for the first part
of that game. Now when they get in that situation again,
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and they will, they will because it's the it's the NFL.
They'll go in there and guys will say that same thing. Hey,
sixty minutes all you got one play at a time.
Don't judge that kind of conversation. No one's gonna roll
their eyes like you saw guys you know, lip reading
this year, like oh man, we you know we stink, right,
So they're not going to have that, not in that
locker room. That locker room's different. That locker room, like, yeah,
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we've been here before. We're good. Our quarterback throws interception,
we can still win, No big deal, Like we're sticking together.
When things get hard, what do we do We pull apart? No,
we stick together. And I was just one other thing
on like five interceptions. To me, it was four interceptions
and a second quarter hail mary. Yeah, but I believe,
I believe and I know this was true on teams
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that I was on. When your quarterback is willing to
just throw a hail mary interception in the second quarter
instead of caring too much about his passer rating and
throwing it out of bounds, like I just think to
some people in that locker room, it's kind of like, yeah,
this guy's not about himself.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Andrew luck had that quality.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
There's a lot of guys. Eli Manning had that quality.
He was like the king of second quarter Hail Mary interceptions,
but he was putting it on the line for the team.
And like there's some quarterbacks who don't do that. There's
some quarterbacks that would rather run out of bounds for
a one yard sack than throw the ball away because
of their rating and the offensive line, like they don't
respect it. Your teammates don't respect it. And I think
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Jared Goff's a guy that's continuing to earn the respect
of the people around him. And like I said, I
just I just think it's gonna pay dividends later on
for this team.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You know, go back to the final couple years. So
I don't think all athletes do this, and maybe Aaron doesn't,
but it's so bad now it kind of does like
sour the legacy a little, Like the New York thing
is a mess. Like it's bad. They've got like players,
it's blowouts. Now we've got a he got the coach fired,
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whether he did or not, it's not it's a stain.
And I wonder when you got to the end of
your career, did you care about that or did you
just like, hey, I like football, somebody's paying me. But
the New York thing, I don't think anybody thought it
would be this. It's a mess. I mean, Farv had juice.
If you remember he came in, they won games, and
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then he went to Minnesota and you're like, there's Aaron.
Doesn't look like it's old man football. It doesn't look pretty.
Do you think he would contemplate like shutting it down
into the season and just saying I don't want to
get hurt.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
No, no, I don't think so. You think he's too
much of a competitor. But he probably wonders what the
right thing to do. I think all athletes, when you
get to be in your forties, you wonder like, Okay,
what's the right thing? How do I handle this situation?
You know what I saw yesterday, though, I just see
a guy that doesn't have the mobility that he used
to have, right, and that was just such a weapon.
I mean, he obviously is a super talented quarterback, that
was such a weapon. And basically, defensive coordinators, I think
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defensive players feared playing Aaron Rodgers. They feared it the
way that people fear going against the Kyler Murray like
they fear it, like, oh man, hey keep this guy
in the pocket, hey stay back, like he's dangerous. One
play and he can like turn this, you know, game
to a different game. Like they don't fear that. And
so what you see now is people are coming after him.
And I when I played, I used to absolutely hate
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when TV commentators or people would say like, oh, this
is his fault or that's his fault, because like, how
do you know, Like there's really no way to know
what someone's assignment is on every play, But you can't
watch the New York Jets and leave saying that they
are an assignment correct football team. And now like I
don't know who's fault, you know, I don't know, Well
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maybe was that on the quarterback? Was that on the lineman?
Was that on the receiver? But there's no doubt that
someone is wrong. And so like that happens on teams,
but you're trying to minimize.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That you can see it on TV.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Well yeah, I mean listen, like they're bringing seven, you
have six, So someone has to do something. Quarterback has
to throw hat, he has to redirect the production. The
receiver has to run a shorter route, like something needs
to happen. I'm not sure what the right answer was,
but like someone's assignment wrong here, like there's no doubt
about that. And then what you see Aaron doing, which
you know, I got coached this way one time when
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we had new players on our team in Seattle. My
quarterback coach said to me, Jim Zorn. He said to me, hey, listen,
here's the coaching point for you this week. Throw it
to where the receivers are, not to where you think
they should be. And I was like, what kind of
coaching point is that? But like it was very helpful
to me. And when I watch the New York Jets
right now, right or wrong, I feel like Aaron Rodgers
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is throwing the ball to where the receiver is supposed
to be instead of where they are, you know, But
like it's not about that. It's about finding a way
to get completions and be successful. And like I said,
like I told you probably last week, this looks like
a team that's being punished, and their punishment as they
have to continue to play. If they could just call
it a season, they probably would prefer to do that. Like, hey,
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you know what, let's get it next year. But that's
not the reality. The reality is you got to come together.
They're fighting, they're kicking their claw and they're scratching. But
it's been bad football lately.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So I was saying earlier, Kansas City is a very
good roster. They look a little offensive light, a little
Baltimore Detroit feel a little defensive light. With Hutchison out.
I watched Philadelphia. They've got great older players, great players
in their prime, and then they've got like a Jalen Carter,
Mitchell the corner from Toledo, Dean the linebacker. I'm like,
they got three defensive guys they're not even in their prime,
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and they're ballers. Like I look at the Philadelphia roster
when you get three levels of great Hall of Fame
old right in their prime, young guys emerging as stars.
I think Philadelphia is the best roster in the league.
What do you see.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
That's a strong statement. You know, everyone was booming him
and like just saying, hey, these guys are the worst,
trying to get Sirianni fired, Like I don't get it.
I think Sirianni's a great coach. You do listen. I
mean he's different and like before I met him, I thought, like,
who is this guy? You know, like, what is he doing?
You know he's just But when you when you learn
more about him, know where he came from. He was
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a wide receiver at Mount Union, Like he's just like
all this stuff, Like it just the personality fits. I
think it's perfect. I think Nick Sirianni and his brashness
with Jalen Hurts in his smooth, steady like you can't
get him too high, you can't get him too low.
He is perfect. I think it's a great match. Now
here's where I think they struggled early on. They've got
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new coordinators, they got Kellen Moore, they got Vic Fangio.
But eventually, like Vic Fangio's tough, like he's gonna get
that defense a shoot he already did. That defense is legit.
That defense is legit. I think they're gonna be okay.
I think the weakness of this team is if they
don't have aj Aj Brown and they don't have Devonte Smith,
they are not the same team. Try they need those
two guys to be who they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And this is not a criticism of Jalen Hurts because
I like him. I like what they've done in the
last month. They said we're gonna let We're gonna have
your throw about twenty two times. They were getting kind
of loose. It was kind of like thirty one and
you're like, it's not a criticism, Like I like what
he is now.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
It's a little bit of Kellen Moore though, right, Like
Kellen's a pass happy guy. Think about where he came from.
I remember this kid I was playing for the Seahawks.
He was a high school quarterback in Prosser, Washington. He'd
score like sixty three points a game, throwing it all
over the fields. Callen's Yeah, he's not like a Jim
Harbough type guy, not gonna like run it into the ground.
It's not him Boise State, you know, it's not him.
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So like I just think, like, like, if let me
say it this way, if the tush push can't be
a dominant play for the Philadelphia Eagles, this is not
their year. It needs to be a part of it.
They need to be a team that when the rest
of the league has to get yards for a first down,
they got to get like eight and a half because
the tush push is automatic. If that's not a part
of their team and not part of their identity if
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it's not part of what they're doing. Because I believe
this is a Saquon team now, it's a Jalen Hurts
running the ball and throwing the ball team right now.
They just need to be a physical team. If they're
not the most physical team, I don't think it's the
I don't think it's the best thing for them.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think a Matt Hasselbeck for our radio audience eighteen years,
three Pro Bowls every Monday with us in the NFL,
because you have a regulated level of violence. You can
see this in hockey too. Dynasties close fast. I mean,
if kd would have stayed with the Warriors, it would
have lasted another four years. Usually in the NBA, it's ego,
it's I want my shots, and then stuff closes, or
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it's a salary thing. In the NFL, these things generally,
you know, unless you get Reid Mahomes, Brady Belichick, Walsh Montana,
most of the time it closes pretty quick. Guys get hurt,
guys are free agents. And then I watched the Niners,
and I feel like the windows closing. They're getting old
at key spots. They've missed on a few draft picks.
(24:07):
There's a disregard for special teams that is annoying. Some
coaches already care about it. Slater with the Patriots for
sixteen years. Some coaches, I mean, Belichick would draft you
left footed punters like he really cared about it. Some
of the young coaches are more into their wizardry on
offense or defense. I really feel when I walt San Francisco,
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I think they had about a four or five year
where I was like, they're punishing people. I don't think
they intimidate. I think half the league's running that offense, Matt,
They're not the debo jet sweeps, aren't catching people off.
It feels like it's closed to me.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah, you could be right, you could be right. But
this is a team. They're in a division that's winnable.
You know, Arizona's playing good football. The Rams you can't
count out with Stafford. Seattle's in enigma right now. But
San Franz right there. I just think they're a different team.
With Christian McCaffrey and the special teams blunders and all
that that's fixable stuff. Kittle's still a beast. I think
he's one of the best in the game, if not
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the best, like real tight end in the game. I'm
the back of the end zone. It's so good. So
in the chemistry. The part that bothers me more actually
is the debo going after the kicker and going after
the long snapper. Like I mentioned earlier, Detroit, what's so
great about Detroit. Someone's struggling, your brother's struggling, your teammates struggling.
We can either pull apart or we can pull together. Right,
(25:25):
there's a great there's a great there's a great quote
from the movie Gladiator, right, maxims Russell Crowe. He's in there.
He's like, our only chance to survive this thing is
to stick together. And that's what it is. In an
NFL locker room. It's a roller coaster season. There's ups
and downs. You got to pull together, not pull apart.
And I just thought like that's the kind of thing
that needs to be kind of like figured out, like
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man to man. You know, I saw everyone quoted afterwards.
I watched it and like, you know, did you guys
talk it out? Like ah nah, but I'm sure we're good,
Like like hey, I know your dudes, and you don't
want to talk about it. You just want to give
each other the Pez you know, like the Pez candy dispatcher,
Like you see him in the lockerroom after the game,
you're like like, we're good. Like you know, it's a
little head nod, like we're good.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right, like that, it's not enough.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
I think it might be almost enough because they won
the game. But like I don't think, like I mentioned
earlier about like do people in the locker room respect
everything that you're doing. I think respect is just a
big thing. Like you got to respect how hard it
is to be the holder, the kicker, the snapper, just
like you got to respect how hard it is to
be the wide receiver. Like, I just think respect is
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an important thing. And that's the job of the head coach.
The job of the head coach, and the job of
the leadership on the team is kind of pulled together.
I would expect that this team would pull together. But
but before they got on that airplane, it hadn't happened.
So that's the kind of stuff that like as you
go through a long season, it's the same people. I
don't think it matters so much, like how many you know,
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like whatever, like their windows closing it's basically just like
egos and like are you going to be a great
teammate and are you going to be there for your brother?
And like pick a guy up, try picked up their quarterback. Yesterday,
eventually the Niners sort of picked up their their kicker
situation and gave him another chance. But you know, that's
the kind of stuff that I would look for. I
think that stuff's important.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Hey, I want to ask you about a young quarterback,
mostly because I was right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I said, I love how you say that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know I never missed an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
When I watched Bonix in college, I said, Sean Payton's
drafting him. I'm not saying he's Drew Brees, but there
are qualities. Drew Brees early was a little more athletic
than he got credit for, a little better athlete than
you thought. Accuracy like intense. Bo Nix was snaps like
he snapped back at Sean Drew Brees intense in person.
(27:45):
The bo Knicks thing I thought yesterday in a losing
effort that last drive against Spags, I thought it was like,
that's a great losing effort drive. I thought it was
a really a moment. I thought he's growing. But I thought, like, well,
that could win, that could win.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
It did win. I mean honestly, like it's essentially did win.
They they're bad at field goal protection. You know, there's
blood in the water there. You see it on film.
You know where you can attack a weakness on field
goal And they got it done. Dave Tobe got it done,
like the special teams coach for Kansas City. No, but
I completely agree with you, And I would say even
bo Nick's a little bigger and probably more athletic than
Drew Brees. And Drew Brees a great, great quarterback. It's
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a perfect fit for him. At the combine watching those guys,
all those quarterbacks throw at the combine, bow Knicks did
not stand out, right, He did not stand out throwing
in a shirt in shorts. That wasn't his thing. But
he's a football player. He had a lot of reps
in college, played for you know the extra year there,
and you know, I just thought he was set up
for success. The go route there. You know, when are
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you going to take a go route on on on
spags on in short yardage third and one, Like that's
when I know that, I know that, I know it's
going to be cover one, bumping run press man, and
that he's been throwing a press fade since he was
a high school freshman, so like he just kind of
simplified the game. I mentioned tempo earlier, Yes, I think
tempo is such a weapon. You even heard Sean Payton
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talk about it at halftime. He came in, he said,
here's what we're doing to slow down Spags. Because Spags
is exotic with his blitz schemes and his looks. We're
using tempo or just getting up. So a lot of
times you in your playbooks, you go, here's what happens.
When you go into a game. You have like a
play It'll be like, okay, I'm gonna run ninety three blasts,
alert to ninety eight handoff solid kills to two hundred
jet dragon. It's a run to the left, alert to
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a run to the right, killed to a pass, and
it's a lot you gotta you want to be right. Well,
sometimes you go into a game and you're just like, hey,
screw it, just freaking run the play we call running back.
There might be an extra guy that's unblocked. He's yours.
That's why we pay you all that money. Tempo. Okay,
we don't want our offensive lineman sitting up there in
a three point stance for like nine seconds and then
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you got to block Chris Jones getting your stance and
let go. Okay, if it doesn't work, that's on me
the play caller. You just run the play and play fast.
I want I don't want us thinking. I want us
just to be the aggressor. And now all of a sudden,
you you are the aggressor and the defensive coordinator is
not the aggressor, and it's just a good thing for
a quarterback. You're like, oh, shoot, I'm just tempo. I'm
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going quick, I'm going fast. I'm not worried about getting
a minus on my grade sheet because the free safety
was at seven and a half yards instead of eight
and a half yards. We're just gonna go. And then
the coach, I think Sean Payton does a great job
of this, like, hey, here's what I think. But you're
out there playing whatever you decide in the game. You're
right here we go, and I just I think you
saw a quarterback who's playing confidently, getting the ball out
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of his hands quick. Not a lot of negative plays,
not third and eleven's very very tough.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Key. That's key those young quarterbacks. You get into third
and long, it's a mess.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
And it helps everybody. It helps your defense, it helps
your O line. It's good for confidence morale.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
There's there's like a couple sayings that I think Sean
Payton probably lives by, you know, I know they helped me.
Like completions before a kicking play are all good even
if it's a punt. No big deal. You say to
the young quarterback, Hey, you worry about just getting us completions.
I'll worry about third down conversions, you know. And it's
just nice. It just takes some stuff off your plate.
You're able to play fast and confident, and I think
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that's just like a nice thing. Bo Nix should be
very very happy he's with Sean Payton and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, love having you here. You know, if how about
we buy a lunch, fly the family out everywhere?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
A fun fact here about Fox Studios here, amazing cafeteria,
like amazing, the smoothie bar, like all of it. Strong.
I was here for Parents weekend Ucla another big win
for UCLA football. Yeah, three in a row. I think,
shock maybe, But Uh yeah, we need more parents. Weekends
had good, had a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I signed, I re signed here just on the smoothie bar.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
What's your favorite smoothie?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I do the blueberry and I also do the green
in the morning, blueberry afternoon solid.
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What's better than that? Nothing?
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You don't get ripped like this at sixty just even burgers.
Matt Hasselback is absolute. My love having you on the show.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Appreciate it.
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Speaker 5 (32:02):
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Speaker 3 (32:02):
My name is Captain A Rivera with the NATO Rappid
Depoible Corps in Thessaloniki.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Grease.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I want to give a quick shout out to my
uncle out there watching the Chargers game.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Go Chargers, welcome back. It's interesting. So every single media
person in New York with a microphone said, get rid
of Robert sala And what did I say? This is
not a great staff. He's your only elite coach. He
may not be a great head coach, but he's your
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best football coach. Do not fire Robert Sala. Well, the
first five games with Robert Sala and the last five
they're allowing a touchdown more per game. The takeaways have disappeared.
Never let your best coach leave the room. You didn't
have an answer on the staff. You didn't have a
great OC, you didn't have a Ben Johnson, you didn't
have a young McVeigh. So you keep the coach. You
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would have been in first place had you kept him,
and you had a beaten Buffalo. So let's start there.
Everybody in New York wanted him out. I'm like, you
don't have a good enough staff or a guy ready
to take it over. He is, by far and away,
your best coach. This has become the Brooklyn Nets. This
is what it's become. The Jet to become the Brooklyn Nets,
a big market team desperate for relevance. Harden Kyrie k
(33:19):
d remember that, and they had that weird you know
podcast early Do we even need a coach here? That's
what they thought. And I think Aaron, the Jets are
desperate for relevance. Aaron's never had a ton of respect
for coaches. If he did, he wouldn't treat him the
way he treated Mike McCarthy or Robert Solo wouldn't have
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been fired. I don't think Aaron ever respected the organizational
stability in Green Bay because he inherited it, like he'd
all he knew was green Bay. They're always stable, they
always draft well, you always have offensive line. You don't
know what you've never experienced. And so you know, Aaron
can watch these other tire fires, and maybe there was
a point in Aaron's career where he was good enough
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to overcome a tire fire. But he's off an achille surgery.
He's just not it. So my takeaway and this is
when you inherit something, it's like a trust fund kid.
You don't know tough times. You've never had him. Aaron's
in green Bay draft well, Mark Murphy, the front office
always have offensive coaches, never had bad old lines. You
didn't always have the greatest receiving core, but you always
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had a number one. You always had a good tight end.
You always had a decent running game. So Aaron didn't
know any better. He never experienced it, and he was
always somebody that would. He didn't have problem throwing a
coach under a bus here and there. I think he
did it with Salah and Mike McCarthy and I think
even at the end Matt Lafleur was sort of exhausted
with him. So here's Aaron on the humiliating loss off
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kind of a semi by because they played Thursday Spinneth.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
You know, a lot of emotions this year.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
For sure.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
I thought, you know, after a big win Thursday night,
nice long week, we're going to come out with a
lot of energy and win the game. And we just
you know, we didn't come out with great energy on
either side of the ball. And offensively, you ain't not
gonna be anybody scoring six points. That's a loaded answer,
But it's not the time and the place to get
in any of that right now, Rich, But at some
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point I'll give you a better answer.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I don't mind that. But again, he had no
idea that about sixty percent of the league is run
like the Jets, and about ten percent of the league
is run like the Packers. Appreciate where you're at. Most
owners aren't great, Most gms aren't, Howie Roseman, most quarterbacks aren't.
I mean, did Aaron ever have a bad offensive line
(35:36):
in Green Bay? Not one that I can recall. He
never had a bad online But this is a desperate franchise,
it's the Brooklyn Nets. Let's be relevant. Let's take a
big swing. Let's bring into big name. I told you
Devonte Adams is not worth a point of game, and
I like him. He's not worth a point of game.
And so the solid thing cracks me up. Everybody in
New York in the media, he's a bum. Get him
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out of here. Who's on your staff? Or a play? If
you don't have a hot shot young cordinate you had
Nat Hackett again, if you'd have had Ben Johnson, then
you can make the move. I guess. But sala is
more than capable. My number one rule is does a
coach no his side of the ball. Saula is a
great defensive coach, great motivator. Guys like him. Impulsive. Aaron
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didn't save him and this is what you get. J
Mack around the Corner Live in LA, It's The Herd.
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Speaker 7 (36:36):
Hi, my name is Senior Master Stark and Scott s
Ronzi coming to you from our nation's capital at Joint
Bass Andrews. I want to give a shout out to
my hometown Chicago Bears, Bredown, Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Bredown, Lieutenant. We wish you the very best. Probably next
year the Bears will be better than this year. We're hoping.
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
No no, no heard on the news. This is the
herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
All right, let's there's not much to say here.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Let's just quickly buzz through the Chiefs getting lucky once again,
seventh to one score victory.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Bot Knicks basically outplayed Mahomes, but the Chiefs defense special teams.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Look at that.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I look, everybody got through.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Four guys could have blocked that kick. Shut down.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
There's a thirty five yard kick day for kickers in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Chiefs win.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Patrick Mahomes celebrating like a maniac a he did live
it up.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You guys are undefeated. I have one bet so far
made this week and it's Bills Chiefs. You want to
guess who I took it that one?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Bills?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yeah. Anyways, here's the sound of boat.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Knicks believes the Broncos could be competitive against any opponents.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
We feel we can compete against. You know a lot
of teams in this league, you know all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Really we were close.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
We just gotta find ways to you know, get over
the hump. We gotta find ways to make a play,
you know, when when they don't and make.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
The play that wins it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And you know, in this league, that's that's the line
between you know, playoff teams, championship teams and you know
all the other guys.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, they couldn't compete with Baltimore the week before. But
his point is they're getting close there. They are a
draft away. They needed about five more guys to fill
some holes. They don't have a ton of depth, but
they're they're close.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
This is two straight seasons.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
The Broncos defense has really done a good job against
the Chiefs. I think that people should be drilling down
on what they're doing to bottle up this offense. Next
story Colin is, Oh my gosh, Houston Texans last night,
talk about a bad beat Holy cal They're dominating the
first half, up sixteen at half time, and they got
shut out in the second half and lost to Detroit
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on a bomb field goal from Bates. C. J.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Stroud shouldered the blame for the loss.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
Definitely should have won this game. It's my job to
leave the offense to score points, and you know I
didn't do that today, So we really should have, you know,
put them away after the first half. So you know
it's really on on offense.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I mean, it happens. I also have been saying.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
This, it happens.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
They got five interceptions from golf. Well, they're not a
great team Detroit is so.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So c J.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Stroud'shouldering the blame.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Okay, I didn't think he was the reason they lost,
but whatever Demiko Ryans last night after the game.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Not good enough from CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Turning the ball over on the first play and turn
the ball over in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
That's not winning football.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Very rare to get a coach call out a star quarterback.
The Jets should be doing this with Aaron Rodgers, but
everybody's afraid of them. I like what I heard from
Demiico Ryans. But I'll be real, like this is on
the play calling of slowick. A lot of there's the
third and ten every time, right.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
And no Nico Collins, he was a late scratch. Their
offense is extremely limited.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Colins.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Final story, Let's quickly get to it because you love it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
The Chicago Bears, oh my goodness, lost a third straight game.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
They're four and five.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
They've done nothing offensively, no touchdowns since they hail Mary loss.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Caleb sacked nine times.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Anyways, Safety Kevin Byed was asked about Matt Iberflus's coaching
job security after the game.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And listen to what he said.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
As of his locker, who still believed and the still kicks.
I'm not going to go there any day. We got
to play better.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Veteran player knows what to say to the media. I'm
not gonna go there, but he just went there. Not
I'm all on the coaching. But the thing I don't
like about this staff gotta scheme up some stuff to
help the young quarterback, something.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
To defend Caleb.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
He wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
He was down four starting offensive line. He had no
chance yesterday.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Ibra Flus's press conference this morning was postponed for two hours,
and everybody's like, ooh, this Waldron getting fired?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Is eebra Flus.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Eber Flues ended up talking, so he was not fired today.
I thought you could just get rid of it, right,
I mean, just just cut the cord. Since the Hill
Mary lost, they have no touchdowns. Offensively, they would scored.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I think it's twenty three straight drives without a touchdown. Hey,
twenty three straight drive. It's like there's a two and
a half game.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
He can't motivate the squad, he can't get them out
of his phone.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Since that lost, it's a disaster. I'm not blaming blaming Caleb,
but he has not been good.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Thanks for joining us on a veteran's day. We've got
a lot going on here. We've got a good last hour. Man,
was I wrong on the Steelers? Man? Was I right
on the Chargers? That's what makes football great? Two down
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It's hour two. It is a Monday.
Matt Hasselback in studio. How lucky are we? In five minutes,
Jaymack and I already have a strong disagreement. I like
what I'm seeing from Pittsburgh. I feel it's like Seahawks light.
I like it a lot. Again, can it hoist a trophy?
I'm not sure. I don't think so, but I love
the Chargers. I don't think they're ready to hoist a
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trophy yet. I do think there are steps in this league,
and it's hard to turn everything around in six to
eight weeks. But I'm liking those Steelers, and I have
no problem acknowledging I thought this organ is was toned
af to offense. I did not think they could save it,
and they've made the right acquisitions. You gotta give it
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You gotta give Mike Tomlin credit. They were four and
two off a win, and he benched Justin Fields. He's
watching practice. I'm not. So that's a defensive coach who
could have easily said I'm sticking with a popular young guy,
and he didn't. He went with Russell Wilson. So it matters.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
J mack.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Fun Sunday separation Sunday.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Just looking at the Steelers schedule, that was impressive.
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Wins over the Raiders, the Jets, the Giants, all those
teams drafted in the top seven.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Nicely done.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You gotta beat who's on the schedule, of course you do.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. In a
Monday where Colin was right, I said, for years, can
somebody just give Justin Herbert the right coach? He'll be
magnificent eleven touchdowns, one pick. I also said, I think
Jim Harball is on a short list of of the
greatest football coaches we've ever had in the Jimmy Johnson, Belichick,
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Andy Reid, Colleger pro does as matter. He has literally
changed the entire franchise in the culture. In ten weeks.
This was something we said, I thought the Chargers just
with a coaching change and a couple of draft picks,
could go from the worst team in the league to
eleven wins. And here we are where Colin was rough.
I thought Kayleb Williams would have rough spots. I didn't
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think it would dissolve into this. It is a mess.
Some of it's on him. Listen, all of his weaknesses
are coming to the surface, and his strengths they apparently
as a staff can't coach him up, but guys off.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
A by.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
His passer rating last three weeks is sixty four. Like
he's completing in that we're getting to the t bow
category like fifty four percent. Like it's again he's a
rookie quarterback. I didn't think it was going to be pretty.
I didn't think it would ever look like this.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I told you you better not fire Robert sala He
is the best coach by a long shot on that staff,
and the defense has gotten worse. I also said this
would not be a playoff team. Aaron Rodgers is talented.
He's not a savior. Lamar Jackson's good enough to win
you games, you shouldn't. Aaron Rodgers at this point is
a forty year old off Achille surgery. Even last year
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is last year in Green Bay. He wasn't a dominant player.
The Jets are worse than I thought, but I never
saw him as a playoff team. Where Colin was raw.
The Georgia Bulldogs with a dud. They got hammered by
Old Miss. They're just a really uneven football team. And
you take out Lad mcconkee and Brock Bauers and Carson Beck.
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He's just a guy. Even with their talent seventeen touchdowns,
twelve picks, they don't protect the passer particularly well. Listen,
Old Miss is a good team. There's no shame in
losing to Ole Miss and Lane Kiffen. But Georgia is
a much more uneven football team than I thought they were.
Where Colin was right, I said last two weeks. If
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I was the Cowboys, I would go with a soft tank.
I think this is a three win team that should
end that with four. They put Trey Lanton in the
third quarter. I think Jerry sees it. There's no point here.
Look at the games remaining. I don't think you'll beat Carolina.
Keep your eye on the injury list. I think Dallas
pulls starters yesterday, no reason to get people hurt. I'm
not sure if I play Micah Parsons from this point out.
(04:17):
I'm dead serious. I think this team is eight to
nine players away from being as good as Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore.
I don't think they're close. And you saw it yesterday
where Colin was real, Colorado second place in the Big Twelve.
The minute I called them the fake idea of college football,
they apparently turned twenty one. They're getting into the club legitimately.
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Now they're over five. Deon Sanders is over five hundred.
Deserves total credit because remember how bad the first year was.
They're throwing tortillas of truth apparently at them. They beat
Texas Tech. Listen, they do a lot of things right.
Warren sap tip of the captain, Warren sapp as defensive
line coach. That's been like the issue in the program.
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Got that solved, So I like shdoor Sanders. That's never
been the question. I thought this program was a lot
of sizzle, not a lot of steak. They got both.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Now where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You know, I love me some bow Nicks. I kept
saying when he was struggling early. He's good there's some
Drew Brees here. He's mobile, he's poised, he's efficient. He's
not making the mistakes he did early. He had a
great final drive and that's a real Kansas City defense here.
He's not making the mistakes he was. I think this
kid can really play. This is not a great roster,
and that is a great Kansas City roster. That final
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drive is an indication that the Denver Broncos and Sean
Payton they found their guy. He may not have the
upside of blah blah blah, but I'm telling you from efficiency, smarts, mobility,
he's athletic. They got their.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Guy where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The Warriors are eight and two, the number one rebounding
team in the league. They're better defensively now without Klay Thompson.
I didn't think they'd be a playoff team. They're playing
twelve players, so Steph Curry Fresher. They're better defensively. They
just they're deep. A twelve man rotation is unheard of
in the NBA. They've beaten both the Celtics and OKC.
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Those are my picks for the two best teams in
the league. The tooms and teams that will meet in
the finals, so I didn't think they were a playoff team.
I thought they should just start over. But their depth,
their freshness, Steph isn't having to play forty minutes to night.
I was wrong on the Warriors so far, where Colin
was right. Love me some Kyler Murray seventeen straight completions.
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I've said, I think he's a better version of Russell
Wilson in his prime. He's a better athlete, and Russell
was a great athlete. I think the kid throws the
prettiest ball in the league this year, seventy percent completions
during the four game winning streak, seven touchdowns. You tell me,
how do you defend him? I mean, it's just he
is one of those guys that if you're a defensive coordinator,
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there's no complete answer to how to stop him. And
now he's got Harrison and McBride and Connor. Give this
organization credit, but it all starts with Kyler Murray. I
know the video game stuff. I know, maybe he's not coachable.
Well you know what, maybe it was the people that left.
They can't all be on the kid. I've loved him
for years. I've supported him. I hear the critics but
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when I watch games with him starting, and you watch
him and Aaron Rodgers, it doesn't look like the same sport.
I mean that that kid's energy, that kid's mobility, that
kid's accuracy even when he's running, is something special. Where
Colin was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday.
And with that, eighteen years, three Pro Bowls, the Super Bowl,
Matt Hasselbeck is joining us in studio. I didn't even
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know we were going to get him live today. I mean,
what a gift. Like, Yeah, we don't get many of those,
So let's start with this. It's that the Nat Hackett
year when Russell went to Denver, he was going to
kind of be the savior, and I think that stuff's hard.
Matt Stafford wasn't asked to save the Rams. They were good,
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even Tampa and Tom good players. I mean, they were
an offensive machine. There were number three in scoring. He
just had to clean him up. But Russell goes to
Denver and it's like, save us. They don't have the
right coach. You know, they gave up draft capital. I
watch him in Pittsburgh. I get the good deep ball,
I get the optimism, I get some of the mobility.
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It's pretty good team, right.
Speaker 7 (08:20):
Yeah, this is a great fit. And I would say
it's kind of it's more similar to what he was
in Seattle. Like I don't know if it was like
save us as much as it was he got there
and he was like, hey, I'm here to save you.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You know.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
I think there was like some humility that needed to
happen there for him as well. But this is the
perfect situation for him. I mean, you got a great defense,
you have an iconic head coach who like just screams leadership,
and I think Russell Wilson screams leadership. Also, he brings
a lot of steadiness, of veteran presence, and he's got
one of the best deep balls in the game. Despite
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the lack of mobility that he has now compared to
what he once was, he's still excellent at the line
of scrimmage and that deep ball. With the new receivers
that he's got with Pickins and now Mike Williams, that's
just a perfect fit for him.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
You know, it's interesting that, you know, Russell, it may
not be for everybody, but I will say this, we
know because of his side. I saw it a couple
times yesterday he's not as great in the pocket, and
some guys are just when you're when you're five to
eleven and the offensive linemen are six eight, it's hard.
I mean, you're you're I'm six two. You're taller than me.
Sometimes it is hard to see things. There is that
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why he's so good at the deep ball that it
has become kind of his life preserver when he struggles
to see stuff.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Well, I would say this like height is no longer
a thing. Like when I was coming out in the
draft class of ninety eight Peyton Manning, Ryan Leaf, you
had to be six foot four taller or they won't
even really consider you. But there's some shorter quarterbacks that
play tall and the ball jumps out of Russell Wilson's
hands like the ball gets up and down, and specifically
on the deep ball. You know how when I was
in the NFL, how we would get graded on the
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deep ball. It wasn't like if it was completed or
all that there was a lot that went into it,
but basically if the nose of the ball was turning
coming down when the ball was halfway there, that was
like a plus grade. If the nose of the ball
was up that was a minus grade. Really didn't even
matter if the ball was completing.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
You want some altitude on it.
Speaker 7 (10:07):
You need the altitude and you need that ball turning over.
Think three point shooter with good arc on the ball.
And like that's what you saw on the touchdown pass
to Mike Williams. He had like great air, the receiver
can find the ball. It comes down the chimney, so
to speak. And that one wasn't like great coverage on
that play. But that's an example even when it is
great coverage. You saw Russell Wilson do this for years.
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You know that's exactly what you're looking for from a
quarterback on a deep ball, and he's got that. I
don't care how tall you are, it's how you throw
the football.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
So this is where you have a real value for
our audience. And I love this. It's easy for me
to just blame Eberflus, but it can't be this bad
without also being Caleb. Like it just now. I don't
think they're scheming up as many layups as they could,
but his accuracy has not been good. So when you
watch this, some of it's on Caleb too.
Speaker 8 (10:58):
Right.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
I would say ninety percent of it is on the quarterback.
Like if I'm coaching the quarterback and they were at
nine sacks yesterday, I'm putting at least six of those
on the quarterback. And just like with Russell Wilson, like
we're sitting here talking about the deep ball to Mike Williams,
he knows like that's a blitz situation. Like Caleb, he's
a young quarterback. So I'm not trying to throw stones
at him because of the mistakes. I'm not surprised by
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the mistakes. I they just expectations are going to be
higher because you do have guys like Jayden Daniels playing
such good football. Bow Nicks is playing good football. Drake
May's even playing good football, and so I think the
boo birds are going to be out with Caleb. But
to sit there and to say that it's you know,
there aren't places to go with the ball, or there
aren't ways to avoid.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Sad I'm missing, Like that ball do Adunda in the
end zone? He missed it badly.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
And listen, people are going to miss throws. The greatest
quarterback in the world, Patrick Mahomes miss his guys who
are open, like it's gonna happen. But just understanding. Like
the growth of a quarterback, it always starts with pass protection. Always,
It's not about throwing the ball. It's really just about
pass protection least the number one thing, and understanding how
to avoid sacks, how to help your team, how to
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help your defense, how to help your offensive line, and
like right now, like one of the reasons why you
don't play a quarterback early is because you don't want
him to get shook. You don't want him dropping his
eyes and looking at the rush. You don't want him
moving around and scrambling when there's no reason to scramble.
And that's the danger with a young quarterback. And I
just think they got to be careful how they treat
this guy, because he's got a ton of talent, but
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clearly the confidence is not there like it was at USC.
It's just not there.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Well, for the record, I had two executives tell me
before they drafted him. They said, listen, he's erratic. Both said,
I think with the right coach, you can coach it
out of him. But he misses. He misses some easy stuff.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Well, and I think if you just take a quick
look at like sort of what Sean Payton did with
bo Nix yesterday it was up tempo. You know, gets
the up tempo gets the defense to chill out a
little bit. Yeah, Caleb and the Bears were at the
line of scrimmage for a long time. Just about every
play the New England Patriots have a chance to audible.
They have a chance to recognize the formation and say, Okay,
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this is the formation. Here's what we're gonna do, you know,
and so like I just think tempo is a secret weapon.
Like Mike Congrin was so good about this. Bill Waltsh
was so good about this. Andy Reid's really good about this.
You know, Sean Payton did a great job using the tempo,
using basically the fact that you know what the play
is on offense and the defense needs time to react,
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like using that as a weapon. You saw Sean McVeigh
do it when he first got to LA. It's such
a tool that people use. Some people use it well,
some people just give it away and they don't use
it as a weapon. And I think it's just it
makes it a lot tougher for a young quarterback to
now behind the center and kind of redirect protection, know
where you're hot, you know, all those kinds of things.
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It's you know, I think there are some things that
they could do to help them.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
So I was saying, Detroit's been on a heater for
about eight weeks. I think I was most impressed with
him last night to play like that. It was clear
Houston doesn't get a lot of standalone games Sunday night
football in Houston. They got the new unis Like you
could feel it. It felt like a playoff game and they
were I mean, even their old line, which is the
best in the league, kind of got pushed around in
the first half like that. You could tell they just
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didn't match the energy of Houston and they were just
back on their heels. But to be able to go
touchdown field, goalfield, go, let's get it right, let's make
some plays. I thought it was really impressive.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Yeah, I'm glad you said it. I would say it
felt like a playoff game to Houston, Like Houston came
out with as a more physical team.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
Question.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
You know, Detroit didn't look like they were showing up
for a playoff game, like they looked like they were
sleepwalking flat footage. That was bad, you know, but Houston
brought it. They had the energy the prime time like
you mentioned, and you know, but I do think just
talking about Detroit, this was awesome for Detroit. It is
so good that they played like this and won because
you know what they do. They going at halftime, and
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I remember being in games like this, Like I remember
a wildcard game. I'm with the Indianapolis Colts Andrew Lux,
the quarterback, were down like twenty eight points and we
come in at halftime, and what do we say, Andrew,
And everybody's saying the same thing, like, hey, there's no
such thing as a fourteen point touchdown. There's no such thing.
We'll get the ball one play at a time, one
drive at a time, one touchdown at a time. And
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we said it like exactly how we said it. Chuck
Pagonoll gets in there and he's like, hey, one play
at a time. All you got sixty minutes. That's what
we said pregame. Don't judge the scoreboard every play, you know,
let's see what happens. And we win the game. And like,
I just think, even though we played like trash like
and they played terrible, Detroit did for the first part
of that game. Now when they get in that situation again,
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and they will, they will because it's the it's the NFL.
They'll go in there and guys will say that same thing. Hey,
sixty minutes all you got one play at a time.
Don't judge that kind of conversation. No one's gonna roll
their eyes like you saw guys you know, lip reading
this year, like oh man, we you know we stink, right,
So they're not going to have that, not in that
locker room. That locker room's different. That locker room, like, yeah,
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we've been here before. We're good. Our quarterback throws interception,
we can still win, No big deal, Like we're sticking together.
When things get hard, what do we do We pull apart? No,
we stick together. And I was just one other thing
on like five interceptions. To me, it was four interceptions
and a second quarter hail mary. Yeah, but I believe,
I believe and I know this was true on teams
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that I was on. When your quarterback is willing to
just throw a hail mary interception in the second quarter
instead of caring too much about his passer rating and
throwing it out of bounds, like I just think to
some people in that locker room, it's kind of like, yeah,
this guy's not about himself.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Andrew luck had that quality.
Speaker 7 (16:34):
There's a lot of guys. Eli Manning had that quality.
He was like the king of second quarter Hail Mary interceptions,
but he was putting it on the line for the team.
And like there's some quarterbacks who don't do that. There's
some quarterbacks that would rather run out of bounds for
a one yard sack than throw the ball away because
of their rating and the offensive line, like they don't
respect it. Your teammates don't respect it. And I think
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Jared Goff's a guy that's continuing to earn the respect
of the people around him. And like I said, I
just I just think it's gonna pay dividends later on
for this team.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You know, go back to the final couple years. So
I don't think all athletes do this, and maybe Aaron doesn't,
but it's so bad now it kind of does like
sour the legacy a little, Like the New York thing
is a mess. Like it's bad. They've got like players,
it's blowouts. Now we've got a he got the coach fired,
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whether he did or not, it's not it's a stain.
And I wonder when you got to the end of
your career, did you care about that or did you
just like, hey, I like football, somebody's paying me. But
the New York thing, I don't think anybody thought it
would be this. It's a mess. I mean, Farv had juice.
If you remember he came in, they won games, and
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then he went to Minnesota and you're like, there's Aaron.
Doesn't look like it's old man football. It doesn't look pretty.
Do you think he would contemplate like shutting it down
into the season and just saying I don't want to
get hurt.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
No, no, I don't think so. You think he's too
much of a competitor. But he probably wonders what the
right thing to do. I think all athletes, when you
get to be in your forties, you wonder like, Okay,
what's the right thing? How do I handle this situation?
You know what I saw yesterday, though, I just see
a guy that doesn't have the mobility that he used
to have, right, and that was just such a weapon.
I mean, he obviously is a super talented quarterback, that
was such a weapon. And basically, defensive coordinators, I think
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defensive players feared playing Aaron Rodgers. They feared it the
way that people fear going against the Kyler Murray like
they fear it, like, oh man, hey keep this guy
in the pocket, hey stay back, like he's dangerous. One
play and he can like turn this, you know, game
to a different game. Like they don't fear that. And
so what you see now is people are coming after him.
And I when I played, I used to absolutely hate
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when TV commentators or people would say like, oh, this
is his fault or that's his fault, because like, how
do you know, Like there's really no way to know
what someone's assignment is on every play, But you can't
watch the New York Jets and leave saying that they
are an assignment correct football team. And now like I
don't know who's fault, you know, I don't know, Well
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maybe was that on the quarterback? Was that on the lineman?
Was that on the receiver? But there's no doubt that
someone is wrong. And so like that happens on teams,
but you're trying to minimize.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That you can see it on TV.
Speaker 7 (19:12):
Well yeah, I mean listen, like they're bringing seven, you
have six, So someone has to do something. Quarterback has
to throw hat, he has to redirect the production. The
receiver has to run a shorter route, like something needs
to happen. I'm not sure what the right answer was,
but like someone's assignment wrong here, like there's no doubt
about that. And then what you see Aaron doing, which
you know, I got coached this way one time when
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we had new players on our team in Seattle. My
quarterback coach said to me, Jim Zorn. He said to me, hey, listen,
here's the coaching point for you this week. Throw it
to where the receivers are, not to where you think
they should be. And I was like, what kind of
coaching point is that? But like it was very helpful
to me. And when I watch the New York Jets
right now, right or wrong, I feel like Aaron Rodgers
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is throwing the ball to where the receiver is supposed
to be instead of where they are, you know, But
like it's not about that. It's about finding a way
to get completions and be successful. And like I said,
like I told you probably last week, this looks like
a team that's being punished, and their punishment as they
have to continue to play. If they could just call
it a season, they probably would prefer to do that. Like, hey,
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you know what, let's get it next year. But that's
not the reality. The reality is you got to come together.
They're fighting, they're kicking their claw and they're scratching. But
it's been bad football lately.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So I was saying earlier, Kansas City is a very
good roster. They look a little offensive light, a little
Baltimore Detroit feel a little defensive light. With Hutchison out.
I watched Philadelphia. They've got great older players, great players
in their prime, and then they've got like a Jalen Carter,
Mitchell the corner from Toledo, Dean the linebacker. I'm like,
they got three defensive guys they're not even in their prime,
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and they're ballers. Like I look at the Philadelphia roster
when you get three levels of great Hall of Fame
old right in their prime, young guys emerging as stars.
I think Philadelphia is the best roster in the league.
What do you see.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
That's a strong statement. You know, everyone was booming him
and like just saying, hey, these guys are the worst,
trying to get Sirianni fired, Like I don't get it.
I think Sirianni's a great coach. You do listen. I
mean he's different and like before I met him, I thought, like,
who is this guy? You know, like, what is he doing?
You know he's just But when you when you learn
more about him, know where he came from. He was
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a wide receiver at Mount Union, Like he's just like
all this stuff, Like it just the personality fits. I
think it's perfect. I think Nick Sirianni and his brashness
with Jalen Hurts in his smooth, steady like you can't
get him too high, you can't get him too low.
He is perfect. I think it's a great match. Now
here's where I think they struggled early on. They've got
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new coordinators, they got Kellen Moore, they got Vic Fangio.
But eventually, like Vic Fangio's tough, like he's gonna get
that defense a shoot he already did. That defense is legit.
That defense is legit. I think they're gonna be okay.
I think the weakness of this team is if they
don't have aj Aj Brown and they don't have Devonte Smith,
they are not the same team. Try they need those
two guys to be who they're supposed to be.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And this is not a criticism of Jalen Hurts because
I like him. I like what they've done in the
last month. They said we're gonna let We're gonna have
your throw about twenty two times. They were getting kind
of loose. It was kind of like thirty one and
you're like, it's not a criticism, Like I like what
he is now.
Speaker 7 (22:26):
It's a little bit of Kellen Moore though, right, Like
Kellen's a pass happy guy. Think about where he came from.
I remember this kid I was playing for the Seahawks.
He was a high school quarterback in Prosser, Washington. He'd
score like sixty three points a game, throwing it all
over the fields. Callen's Yeah, he's not like a Jim
Harbough type guy, not gonna like run it into the ground.
It's not him Boise State, you know, it's not him.
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So like I just think, like, like, if let me
say it this way, if the tush push can't be
a dominant play for the Philadelphia Eagles, this is not
their year. It needs to be a part of it.
They need to be a team that when the rest
of the league has to get yards for a first down,
they got to get like eight and a half because
the tush push is automatic. If that's not a part
of their team and not part of their identity if
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it's not part of what they're doing. Because I believe
this is a Saquon team now, it's a Jalen Hurts
running the ball and throwing the ball team right now.
They just need to be a physical team. If they're
not the most physical team, I don't think it's the
I don't think it's the best thing for them.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
I think a Matt Hasselbeck for our radio audience eighteen years,
three Pro Bowls every Monday with us in the NFL,
because you have a regulated level of violence. You can
see this in hockey too. Dynasties close fast. I mean,
if kd would have stayed with the Warriors, it would
have lasted another four years. Usually in the NBA, it's ego,
it's I want my shots, and then stuff closes, or
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it's a salary thing. In the NFL, these things generally,
you know, unless you get Reid Mahomes, Brady Belichick, Walsh Montana,
most of the time it closes pretty quick. Guys get hurt,
guys are free agents. And then I watched the Niners,
and I feel like the windows closing. They're getting old
at key spots. They've missed on a few draft picks.
(24:07):
There's a disregard for special teams that is annoying. Some
coaches already care about it. Slater with the Patriots for
sixteen years. Some coaches, I mean, Belichick would draft you
left footed punters like he really cared about it. Some
of the young coaches are more into their wizardry on
offense or defense. I really feel when I walt San Francisco,
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I think they had about a four or five year
where I was like, they're punishing people. I don't think
they intimidate. I think half the league's running that offense, Matt,
They're not the debo jet sweeps, aren't catching people off.
It feels like it's closed to me.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah, you could be right, you could be right. But
this is a team. They're in a division that's winnable.
You know, Arizona's playing good football. The Rams you can't
count out with Stafford. Seattle's in enigma right now. But
San Franz right there. I just think they're a different team.
With Christian McCaffrey and the special teams blunders and all
that that's fixable stuff. Kittle's still a beast. I think
he's one of the best in the game, if not
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the best, like real tight end in the game. I'm
the back of the end zone. It's so good. So
in the chemistry. The part that bothers me more actually
is the debo going after the kicker and going after
the long snapper. Like I mentioned earlier, Detroit, what's so
great about Detroit. Someone's struggling, your brother's struggling, your teammates struggling.
We can either pull apart or we can pull together. Right,
(25:25):
there's a great there's a great there's a great quote
from the movie Gladiator, right, maxims Russell Crowe. He's in there.
He's like, our only chance to survive this thing is
to stick together. And that's what it is. In an
NFL locker room. It's a roller coaster season. There's ups
and downs. You got to pull together, not pull apart.
And I just thought like that's the kind of thing
that needs to be kind of like figured out, like
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man to man. You know, I saw everyone quoted afterwards.
I watched it and like, you know, did you guys
talk it out? Like ah nah, but I'm sure we're good,
Like like hey, I know your dudes, and you don't
want to talk about it. You just want to give
each other the Pez you know, like the Pez candy dispatcher,
Like you see him in the lockerroom after the game,
you're like like, we're good. Like you know, it's a
little head nod, like we're good.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right, like that, it's not enough.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
I think it might be almost enough because they won
the game. But like I don't think, like I mentioned
earlier about like do people in the locker room respect
everything that you're doing. I think respect is just a
big thing. Like you got to respect how hard it
is to be the holder, the kicker, the snapper, just
like you got to respect how hard it is to
be the wide receiver. Like, I just think respect is
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an important thing. And that's the job of the head coach.
The job of the head coach, and the job of
the leadership on the team is kind of pulled together.
I would expect that this team would pull together. But
but before they got on that airplane, it hadn't happened.
So that's the kind of stuff that like as you
go through a long season, it's the same people. I
don't think it matters so much, like how many you know,
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like whatever, like their windows closing it's basically just like
egos and like are you going to be a great
teammate and are you going to be there for your brother?
And like pick a guy up, try picked up their quarterback. Yesterday,
eventually the Niners sort of picked up their their kicker
situation and gave him another chance. But you know, that's
the kind of stuff that I would look for. I
think that stuff's important.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Hey, I want to ask you about a young quarterback,
mostly because I was right.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I said, I love how you say that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know I never missed an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
When I watched Bonix in college, I said, Sean Payton's
drafting him. I'm not saying he's Drew Brees, but there
are qualities. Drew Brees early was a little more athletic
than he got credit for, a little better athlete than
you thought. Accuracy like intense. Bo Nix was snaps like
he snapped back at Sean Drew Brees intense in person.
(27:45):
The bo Knicks thing I thought yesterday in a losing
effort that last drive against Spags, I thought it was like,
that's a great losing effort drive. I thought it was
a really a moment. I thought he's growing. But I thought, like, well,
that could win, that could win.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
It did win. I mean honestly, like it's essentially did win.
They they're bad at field goal protection. You know, there's
blood in the water there. You see it on film.
You know where you can attack a weakness on field
goal And they got it done. Dave Tobe got it done,
like the special teams coach for Kansas City. No, but
I completely agree with you, And I would say even
bo Nick's a little bigger and probably more athletic than
Drew Brees. And Drew Brees a great, great quarterback. It's
(28:21):
a perfect fit for him. At the combine watching those guys,
all those quarterbacks throw at the combine, bow Knicks did
not stand out, right, He did not stand out throwing
in a shirt in shorts. That wasn't his thing. But
he's a football player. He had a lot of reps
in college, played for you know the extra year there,
and you know, I just thought he was set up
for success. The go route there. You know, when are
(28:42):
you going to take a go route on on on
spags on in short yardage third and one, Like that's
when I know that, I know that, I know it's
going to be cover one, bumping run press man, and
that he's been throwing a press fade since he was
a high school freshman, so like he just kind of
simplified the game. I mentioned tempo earlier, Yes, I think
tempo is such a weapon. You even heard Sean Payton
(29:04):
talk about it at halftime. He came in, he said,
here's what we're doing to slow down Spags. Because Spags
is exotic with his blitz schemes and his looks. We're
using tempo or just getting up. So a lot of
times you in your playbooks, you go, here's what happens.
When you go into a game. You have like a
play It'll be like, okay, I'm gonna run ninety three blasts,
alert to ninety eight handoff solid kills to two hundred
jet dragon. It's a run to the left, alert to
(29:25):
a run to the right, killed to a pass, and
it's a lot you gotta you want to be right. Well,
sometimes you go into a game and you're just like, hey,
screw it, just freaking run the play we call running back.
There might be an extra guy that's unblocked. He's yours.
That's why we pay you all that money. Tempo. Okay,
we don't want our offensive lineman sitting up there in
a three point stance for like nine seconds and then
(29:46):
you got to block Chris Jones getting your stance and
let go. Okay, if it doesn't work, that's on me
the play caller. You just run the play and play fast.
I want I don't want us thinking. I want us
just to be the aggressor. And now all of a sudden,
you you are the aggressor and the defensive coordinator is
not the aggressor, and it's just a good thing for
a quarterback. You're like, oh, shoot, I'm just tempo. I'm
(30:08):
going quick, I'm going fast. I'm not worried about getting
a minus on my grade sheet because the free safety
was at seven and a half yards instead of eight
and a half yards. We're just gonna go. And then
the coach, I think Sean Payton does a great job
of this, like, hey, here's what I think. But you're
out there playing whatever you decide in the game. You're
right here we go, and I just I think you
saw a quarterback who's playing confidently, getting the ball out
(30:29):
of his hands quick. Not a lot of negative plays,
not third and eleven's very very tough.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Key. That's key those young quarterbacks. You get into third
and long, it's a mess.
Speaker 7 (30:37):
And it helps everybody. It helps your defense, it helps
your O line. It's good for confidence morale.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
There's there's like a couple sayings that I think Sean
Payton probably lives by, you know, I know they helped me.
Like completions before a kicking play are all good even
if it's a punt. No big deal. You say to
the young quarterback, Hey, you worry about just getting us completions.
I'll worry about third down conversions, you know. And it's
just nice. It just takes some stuff off your plate.
You're able to play fast and confident, and I think
(31:04):
that's just like a nice thing. Bo Nix should be
very very happy he's with Sean Payton and vice versa.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, love having you here. You know, if how about
we buy a lunch, fly the family out everywhere?
Speaker 7 (31:16):
A fun fact here about Fox Studios here, amazing cafeteria,
like amazing, the smoothie bar, like all of it. Strong.
I was here for Parents weekend Ucla another big win
for UCLA football. Yeah, three in a row. I think,
shock maybe, But Uh yeah, we need more parents. Weekends
had good, had a great weekend.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I signed, I re signed here just on the smoothie bar.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
What's your favorite smoothie?
Speaker 1 (31:38):
I do the blueberry and I also do the green
in the morning, blueberry afternoon solid.
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What's better than that? Nothing?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You don't get ripped like this at sixty just even burgers.
Matt Hasselback is absolute. My love having you on the show.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
Appreciate it.
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Speaker 5 (32:02):
Hi.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
My name is Captain A Rivera with the NATO Rappid
Depoible Corps in Thessaloniki.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Grease.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
I want to give a quick shout out to my
uncle out there watching the Chargers game.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Go Chargers, welcome back. It's interesting. So every single media
person in New York with a microphone said, get rid
of Robert sala And what did I say? This is
not a great staff. He's your only elite coach. He
may not be a great head coach, but he's your
(32:32):
best football coach. Do not fire Robert Sala. Well, the
first five games with Robert Sala and the last five
they're allowing a touchdown more per game. The takeaways have disappeared.
Never let your best coach leave the room. You didn't
have an answer on the staff. You didn't have a
great OC, you didn't have a Ben Johnson, you didn't
have a young McVeigh. So you keep the coach. You
(32:55):
would have been in first place had you kept him,
and you had a beaten Buffalo. So let's start there.
Everybody in New York wanted him out. I'm like, you
don't have a good enough staff or a guy ready
to take it over. He is, by far and away,
your best coach. This has become the Brooklyn Nets. This
is what it's become. The Jet to become the Brooklyn Nets,
a big market team desperate for relevance. Harden Kyrie k
(33:19):
d remember that, and they had that weird you know
podcast early Do we even need a coach here? That's
what they thought. And I think Aaron, the Jets are
desperate for relevance. Aaron's never had a ton of respect
for coaches. If he did, he wouldn't treat him the
way he treated Mike McCarthy or Robert Solo wouldn't have
(33:40):
been fired. I don't think Aaron ever respected the organizational
stability in Green Bay because he inherited it, like he'd
all he knew was green Bay. They're always stable, they
always draft well, you always have offensive line. You don't
know what you've never experienced. And so you know, Aaron
can watch these other tire fires, and maybe there was
a point in Aaron's career where he was good enough
(34:01):
to overcome a tire fire. But he's off an achille surgery.
He's just not it. So my takeaway and this is
when you inherit something, it's like a trust fund kid.
You don't know tough times. You've never had him. Aaron's
in green Bay draft well, Mark Murphy, the front office
always have offensive coaches, never had bad old lines. You
didn't always have the greatest receiving core, but you always
(34:21):
had a number one. You always had a good tight end.
You always had a decent running game. So Aaron didn't
know any better. He never experienced it, and he was
always somebody that would. He didn't have problem throwing a
coach under a bus here and there. I think he
did it with Salah and Mike McCarthy and I think
even at the end Matt Lafleur was sort of exhausted
with him. So here's Aaron on the humiliating loss off
(34:42):
kind of a semi by because they played Thursday Spinneth.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
You know, a lot of emotions this year.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
For sure.
Speaker 8 (34:50):
I thought, you know, after a big win Thursday night,
nice long week, we're going to come out with a
lot of energy and win the game. And we just
you know, we didn't come out with great energy on
either side of the ball. And offensively, you ain't not
gonna be anybody scoring six points. That's a loaded answer,
But it's not the time and the place to get
in any of that right now, Rich, But at some
(35:11):
point I'll give you a better answer.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I don't mind that. But again, he had no
idea that about sixty percent of the league is run
like the Jets, and about ten percent of the league
is run like the Packers. Appreciate where you're at. Most
owners aren't great, Most gms aren't, Howie Roseman, most quarterbacks aren't.
I mean, did Aaron ever have a bad offensive line
(35:36):
in Green Bay? Not one that I can recall. He
never had a bad online But this is a desperate franchise,
it's the Brooklyn Nets. Let's be relevant. Let's take a
big swing. Let's bring into big name. I told you
Devonte Adams is not worth a point of game, and
I like him. He's not worth a point of game.
And so the solid thing cracks me up. Everybody in
New York in the media, he's a bum. Get him
(35:57):
out of here. Who's on your staff? Or a play? If
you don't have a hot shot young cordinate you had
Nat Hackett again, if you'd have had Ben Johnson, then
you can make the move. I guess. But sala is
more than capable. My number one rule is does a
coach no his side of the ball. Saula is a
great defensive coach, great motivator. Guys like him. Impulsive. Aaron
(36:20):
didn't save him and this is what you get. J
Mack around the Corner Live in LA, It's The Herd.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
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Speaker 7 (36:36):
Hi, my name is Senior Master Stark and Scott s
Ronzi coming to you from our nation's capital at Joint
Bass Andrews. I want to give a shout out to
my hometown Chicago Bears, Bredown, Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Bredown, Lieutenant. We wish you the very best. Probably next
year the Bears will be better than this year. We're hoping.
J Mack with a news.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
No no, no heard on the news. This is the
herd Line news.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
All right, let's there's not much to say here.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Let's just quickly buzz through the Chiefs getting lucky once again,
seventh to one score victory.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Bot Knicks basically outplayed Mahomes, but the Chiefs defense special teams.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Look at that.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
I look, everybody got through.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Four guys could have blocked that kick. Shut down.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
There's a thirty five yard kick day for kickers in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Chiefs win.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Patrick Mahomes celebrating like a maniac a he did live
it up.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
Man.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
You guys are undefeated. I have one bet so far
made this week and it's Bills Chiefs. You want to
guess who I took it that one?
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Bills?
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Yeah. Anyways, here's the sound of boat.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
Knicks believes the Broncos could be competitive against any opponents.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
We feel we can compete against. You know a lot
of teams in this league, you know all of them.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Really we were close.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
We just gotta find ways to you know, get over
the hump. We gotta find ways to make a play,
you know, when when they don't and make.
Speaker 7 (37:57):
The play that wins it.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And you know, in this league, that's that's the line
between you know, playoff teams, championship teams and you know
all the other guys.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, they couldn't compete with Baltimore the week before. But
his point is they're getting close there. They are a
draft away. They needed about five more guys to fill
some holes. They don't have a ton of depth, but
they're they're close.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
This is two straight seasons.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
The Broncos defense has really done a good job against
the Chiefs. I think that people should be drilling down
on what they're doing to bottle up this offense. Next
story Colin is, Oh my gosh, Houston Texans last night,
talk about a bad beat Holy cal They're dominating the
first half, up sixteen at half time, and they got
shut out in the second half and lost to Detroit
(38:42):
on a bomb field goal from Bates. C. J.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Stroud shouldered the blame for the loss.
Speaker 9 (38:49):
Definitely should have won this game. It's my job to
leave the offense to score points, and you know I
didn't do that today, So we really should have, you know,
put them away after the first half. So you know
it's really on on offense.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah, I mean, it happens. I also have been saying.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
This, it happens.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
They got five interceptions from golf. Well, they're not a
great team Detroit is so.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
This is interesting.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
So c J.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Stroud'shouldering the blame.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Okay, I didn't think he was the reason they lost,
but whatever Demiko Ryans last night after the game.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Not good enough from CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Turning the ball over on the first play and turn
the ball over in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
That's not winning football.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
Very rare to get a coach call out a star quarterback.
The Jets should be doing this with Aaron Rodgers, but
everybody's afraid of them. I like what I heard from
Demiico Ryans. But I'll be real, like this is on
the play calling of slowick. A lot of there's the
third and ten every time, right.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
And no Nico Collins, he was a late scratch. Their
offense is extremely limited.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Colins.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Final story, Let's quickly get to it because you love it.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
The Chicago Bears, oh my goodness, lost a third straight game.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
They're four and five.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
They've done nothing offensively, no touchdowns since they hail Mary loss.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Caleb sacked nine times.
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Anyways, Safety Kevin Byed was asked about Matt Iberflus's coaching
job security after the game.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
And listen to what he said.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
As of his locker, who still believed and the still kicks.
I'm not going to go there any day. We got
to play better.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Veteran player knows what to say to the media. I'm
not gonna go there, but he just went there. Not
I'm all on the coaching. But the thing I don't
like about this staff gotta scheme up some stuff to
help the young quarterback, something.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
To defend Caleb.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
He wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
He was down four starting offensive line. He had no
chance yesterday.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Ibra Flus's press conference this morning was postponed for two hours,
and everybody's like, ooh, this Waldron getting fired?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Is eebra Flus.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Eber Flues ended up talking, so he was not fired today.
I thought you could just get rid of it, right,
I mean, just just cut the cord. Since the Hill
Mary lost, they have no touchdowns. Offensively, they would scored.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I think it's twenty three straight drives without a touchdown. Hey,
twenty three straight drive. It's like there's a two and
a half game.
Speaker 5 (40:57):
He can't motivate the squad, he can't get them out
of his phone.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Since that lost, it's a disaster. I'm not blaming blaming Caleb,
but he has not been good.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 6 (41:06):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Thanks for joining us on a veteran's day. We've got
a lot going on here. We've got a good last hour. Man,
was I wrong on the Steelers? Man? Was I right
on the Chargers? That's what makes football great? Two down
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