November 18, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Bo Nix and wrong about Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we Go, Hour two. Drew brees around the corner
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. So it's San Francisco. Now,
who's five and five? Gets green Bay at green Bay?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Green Bay beat Chicago. I missed poke obviously, we just
watched the highlights and I watched the game. But green
Bay I got out played, is what I meant. Green
Bay goes to Chicago, gets out played, gets pushed around
the field. They're gonna be pissed, They're gonna come back
home in a bad mood. Then it's Buffalo. So it's
two road games and Green Bay is one of those
games you win, but you got totally outplayed by the Bears.
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So those are the as Sean Payton told me this
year's ago. The best games for a coach. You win,
but you don't play well, and you can dog cush
your player. You can coach so hard that week when
your team loses, you don't want to crush their spirit.
And when they win, you don't want them too high.
What you like him, they win it. They don't play
that well, so you can coach hard that week. And
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that's Green Bay. So lafleur. You win the game, but
you're like Chicago had the ball the whole game. I mean,
I mean Jordan Love only attempted seventeen throws. I think
they just didn't have the ball. All right, here we go.
We do it every Monday at this time. Where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong, and there's always plenty
of both.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Bow knicks four touchdowns in the last seven weeks. He
has been the best rookie quarterback in the league without
a doubt. Last seven weeks. Thirteen touchdowns, two picks, one
zero six passer rating and sixty nine percent completion percentage.
And this is not a great roster. They're in cap
hell because of the Russell Wilson deal, their draft pick
light and I told you, I said, I think this
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is Drew Brees with more mobility. And when that Vegas
said it was a five win team, I'm like, Sean
Payton's worth three wins. Bow Knicks sixty one college starts,
gonna win some games. Bow Knicks looks like right now
the last seven weeks, the most consistent quarterback in the
entire rookie class. And we told you Peyton would want him.
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He's perfect birth Peyton, and.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Watch out where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Anthony Richardson got benched, and I said, I don't know
if he's the guy gets hurt. Can't do this, get boy.
He looked great. He looked great throwing the ball down
the field. You still got all the dynamic stuff. In fact,
I would have run him more than they did. But
I thought he looked excellent. The benching prided him good,
refocused his actuer accuracy. Unlike Aaron Rodgers. He threw the
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ball down the field. He didn't make a big time throws.
So you know, sometimes it used to be you could
bench a quarderback twenty years ago and it wasn't the
lead headline story. It just happened. You could do it
in the NFL College high school. Now you know it's headlines,
but the benching, I don't know what it was, but
I thought composure. You got all the upside of Anthony
Richards and you got the big, strong athlete. You've got
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excellent timing, excellent sideline throws. That's wrong on that.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Said, all Justin Herbert needs is Jim Harbaugh. I remember
before they hired, Jim Harby said he's going to change
the franchise overnight, and people are like overrated. No, you're not. No,
Jim Harbaugh's not. Everywhere he goes, he turns the team
around instantly. I mean Justin Herbert this year, like last
night's great example, Justin Herbert's the leading rusher. He still
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doesn't have enough weapons. Two touchdowns, no picks, ninety four
passer rating. Justin didn't have a perfect second half.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
They don't have enough weapons. But Jim Harbaugh has done
exactly what we said he'd do. Stop doubting Harbaugh. There's
an argument Jimmy Johnson are the best coaches ever in
terms of college and pro. They win both instantly. He's great.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Where Colin was right, The New.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
York Giants are going to replace Daniel Jones with Tommy DeVito, who,
by the way, was fun to watch. I never got
Daniel Jones as a number six pick. I did not
get doubling down on the contract. Since he signed that contract,
in the last two years, he's three and thirteen, ten
touchdowns and thirteen picks. Seems like a nice kid from
the South. Maybe they felt he was going to be
the next Eli Manning, but it's just one of those
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He's not a natural thrower. He's a big, strong kid
that moves pretty well, but he misses too many easy throws.
And Brian Dabole is a really good coach. He knows
what he's doing. He's done everything. He got this kid
into the playoffs. But since he signed that contract, maybe
it's the pressure he's gotten worse. And from the very beginning,
we just didn't think this was ever going to work.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Where Colin was raw the minute.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I called Colorado the fake idea of college football. Five
minutes later, they've been on fire. They blew out Utah.
Utah doesn't get blown out a lot. Forty nine to
twenty four. Now, I think Shadu or Sanders is absolutely unbelievable.
But they've caught fire as a program. They control their destiny.
They could win the Big Twelve. I don't know when
I watch them play. If you have the two best
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players in college football and they maybe do, I think
you deserve to be in the playoff. They could win
the Big Twelve. I bailed on him. I said, you know,
that's a lot of sizzle. It's a lot of like
Shoulder and Travis Hunter. But their defensive line creates pressure,
they get turnovers. Boy was I wrong on Colorado. I
was right for a while, but the minute I gave up,
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they turned twenty one and they're for real, not a
fake ID where Colin was right. Guys, the Jets were
never going to be a playoff team. They don't have
that kind of leadership and Aaron Rodgers. You can blame
everybody else. When Robert Sala got fired, I said, do
not listen to New York media. He's your best coach.
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You are letting your best coach out of the building,
and you do not have an elite coordinator. Ever since
Sala left, the offense is worse, the defense is worse.
You don't have to love Robert Salim, but they fired
him five days before he was gonna face Buffalo for
as chance to be in first place. Memo to bad
NFL owners, Never let your best coach, even if he's
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not Andy Reid. Never let your best coach walk out
of the building. This is the one sport in America,
not Baseball, hockey, NBA. We're a coach, Sean Payton can
be worth four wins. He'll let the best coach in
the staff walk out. It didn't make any sense then,
doesn't make any sense now where Colin was right, Jared
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Goff remains the most underrated quarterback, maybe in the last decade,
in this league. Folks his perfect passer ratings, their routine.
I know his offensive line is good. Well, everybody needs
a good offensive line. Jared a former number one pick.
I watched him at Cal. He is I believe he
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is a better Matt Ryan, a better arm. He's poised,
he's tough when he gets hit, He's never injured, he
doesn't miss games. He's obviously a kid line of scrimmage.
But Jared Goff because he doesn't move, he doesn't have
the sizzle. He doesn't run around everybody, just like eyes
overrated folks. He took the Rams to the super Bowl,
and right now the Lions are favored to get to
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the super Bowl. It can't always be everybody else is
the reason you're good. At some point, you're the reason
your teams are always good. Where Colin was right, Well,
I predicted Jake Paul and Tyson would be a circus,
and I like going to the circus about once a year.
And that's what it was. This is why boxing cannot
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be a foundational piece of a sports network and why
this network and ESPN and NBC have kind of bailed
on boxing. But but a lot of people cared. A
lot of people watched. I watched, my wife watched this.
This is what boxing can be, a little clicky looking
for the headlines. I did think Jake Paul had a
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lot of self awareness. When the fight was over, he
acknowledged nobody wanted to see me beat up on Tyson.
Mike lost half the blood in his body in July.
This fight should have been in March or April. He
ran out of gas by the middle of the third round.
He lost his legs. Listen, there was a fifty to
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fifty chance this was going to be a dud, and
it was for everybody except Netflix's bottom line. Where Colin
was right, Where Colin was wrong on a Monday. Oh,
I haven't talked to Drew Brees in a couple of weeks.
Thirteen time Pro Bowl are going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. Twenty NFL seasons, you know, you
had one of the most intense coaches in the history
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of the league is Sean Payton. And that's why I
love Sean. He's intense. He don't have to guess what
he's thinking. Harbaugh. Similarly, you know people for years have
said he a little odd whatever, you know exactly what
he thinks. I cannot believe how he's taken the same
roster Drew. It's the same defensive roster. Give me an
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idea of what he'd by the way Sean went to
New Orleans, they were the worst team in the league.
The next year they weren't. You've been in these rebuilding things.
What do you think the secret sauce with hardball was?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Where are something to be said for accountability and consistency?
And to your point, wherever hardball has been it's been
a very similar formula. It's been we are going to
run the football, We're gonna play great defense and as
a result to that, that will put the quarterback in
a lot better situations. Yes, they do lack I think
some top end playmakers. Yeah, you know, on the edge
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with that charger offense. And yet if you're running the
ball effectively, you're going to get some favorable matchups outside.
You're going to have the ability to get guys open
with play action and other things. And then it's just
a matter of developing a trust in chemistry with the
guys that you're throwing to and understanding the formula to winning.
Just playing great defense, run the football, taking care of
the football, and you're always going to be then in
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a position to win games. And then if you just
become a master of situational football, which the guys like
Belichick and Harball and a few others are, then you're
always in a position where you're gonna have a wrinkler
two when you really need it most in order to
win these football games. And that's what you're seeing right
now with them.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
One of the things that made your Saints great, similar
to Brady Belichick or any Mahomes, is you had an identity.
You guys were play designers, You were efficient, You didn't you.
You didn't When I watched the Saints with Drew Brees,
you didn't leave anything on the editing floor. Like I
knew you were efficient. You know, I knew if you lost,
somebody out played it. That it happens. I watch Baltimore,
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I swear every time they face the Steelers of the Chiefs,
they lose their identity. They suddenly get finesse, they passed
too much. I watched it this weekend, and suddenly they're
throwing at thirty three, they're running at nineteen. There's no
Derrick Henry. When you were in big games, was this
something that you sometimes had that you would think, Drew, guys,
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we're getting away from who we are, get back to
who we are. Because Baltimore has really struggled with this
in these games against Kansas City and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, look, it's it's to your point. It's stay true
to your identity, understand what wins, and understand just.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Who you are.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And Baltimore is always going to be run the football,
play great defense, yes, and then the passing game and
some of the flash it comes off of that. But look,
I'll say this, you know Pittsburgh doesn't fear Baltimore. Yeah,
I think there's a lot of teams that step on
the field with Baltimore and all of a sudden, you know,
you get Lamar making some plays and you know, Derrick
Henry running down hill at you, and I'm sure they
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get intimidated. But I think we know by now that
the Mike Tomlin Ben Steelers like they don't fear anybody,
certainly don't fear anybody in the division. And I think
they take pride in the fact that, man, they play
Nashville football and that's just what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And so.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think that's what you've seen in these matchups between
Pittsburgh and Baltimore, is that man, Pittsburgh is like, we're
going to hit him the mouth. We know how to
play Lamar. I mean, look, he's going to make his
fair share of plays, but let's try to make him
do stuff that's maybe outside of his comfort zone or not,
you know, outside of their identity.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I want you to go back to your first
couple of years or maybe your first year with and
you'd already had some years in the league. So it's
not perfectly analogous, but there is something that when I
watch this weekend, I watched bow Nicks is I'm sorry,
but last seven games, he's the best rookie quarterback and
I think we both have great admiration for Sean that
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he gives Bowl a couple of laps. He plays into
his athletics straints. But it's more than that. I mean,
Bowl looked so confident yesterday. What is the secret the
unlocking of letting you play with confidence but yet not
sloppy you, letting you take risks but they're official. I
feel like bow Knicks is pushing the envelope every week,
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but still he's not throwing picks, he's not making mistakes.
Take me to that.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, I'll say this, the biggest thing for bow Knicks
is what happened last week against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Even though they lost that game, it certainly was through
no fault to his own right. He put his team
in a position to go win that game in the
end and they got the field go block. But from
a confidence perspective, you basically went into two arrowhead and
playing against the gold standard of organizations here in your
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few in the over the last few years, and you
put your team in a position to go win that game.
And so I think coming into this game, I think
his confidence level was just at another level. And look,
if you take you knew it was going to take
a little bit of time this year. Hey, he's a
rookie quarterback. He's going to do rookie stuff at times.
He's still developing and understanding in a comfort level with
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the offense. He's developing a chemistry with all of his receivers. Look,
I don't think the Broncos have like any super elite,
you know, weapons outside. I think they have a bunch
of big receivers that bo Nix is now developing a
trust in the confidence with obviously a great coach and
play caller and a guy who also needed to get
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a feeling and understanding for what his quarterback could do
and is capable of, and you know, putting him in
the best positions to succeed and putting him in positions
where you know, he knows he's going to be able
to limit the mistakes and kind of bring him along,
you know. And so now I think we're just starting
to see you know, hey, we're ten eleven games into
this thing, and this is what you're saying, Plus just
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the development of confidence along the way. Look, that the
Denver defense is playing great. I think the run game
is coming along for them, and so all of those things,
but most importantly what happened last week. Man, you just
don't understand you talking about moral victories right, Like they
really should have won that game. Oh yeah, you'd be
put him in a position the game and should have
won the game even though they didn't. I know the
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feeling I would have had is Bonnick's walking in the
locker room. Yes, I'm pissed off because we just lost
the Chiefs. We should have won that game. Shouldn't be
Patrick Mahomes that in my mind, I'm thinking to myself,
we can beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, so I'm watching I said the Baltimore in Kansas
City was the prize fight we were hoping Netflix would
give us on Friday. I mean mahomes alan coaching toughness.
Sometimes I feel like Josh Allen is so talented Drew
it would be a little hard not to just take
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off and run. He's so big, he can do so
many things, and I think sometimes you're coaching him, not
coaching him down, but you're like use your weapons, you know.
And I watched him yesterday run over the Chiefs to
get to the end zone. I'm like, I'm not sure
I've ever seen a quarterback that can do that. When
you watch Josh Allen, what do you see?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, he's he's such a unique player in in his
just his physical traits, his size, his strength, I mean,
his ability to throw the ball down the field, his
ability to improvise. I mean you see it time and
time again, you know. And I think the thing for
for him, just as he's continued to mature, is, you know,
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just develop that consistency that developed like that, that trust,
that trust in the plan and in the formula. I
think it's easy for a guy who is so used
to just kind of making place off script too too
quickly at times go off script. And and I think
that's just again the maturation process of a quarterback who's
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coming into his own to really man trust the system,
play within the system, trust the formula. And then when
there are those opportunities where you are forced to abort
the pocket or man the team needs a play, you
then turn it on and know, Okay, now it's time
to go make the play.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I want to We'll show some video, I said justin
Herbert was great. First half Burrow in the second half,
it felt like Michael Jordan against the Blazers. He was
doing stuff like he was in a zone and all
you guy, I mean you you were a seventy percent
completion guy, But did you ever get to a point
in games where drew it all worked, the ball felt better.
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I mean it just I'm watching him make plays and
I'm like, this is like a dominant high school kid.
I mean they charge. I mean, if he's had libbing,
ducking under stuff, I'm like, I don't know if I've
seen a better half of football from a quarterback this year.
You got into those moments, you got into those halfs
and is it a rhythm thing.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah. I think what was most impressive about Burrow last
night is it's not that it was just everything was
coming out on time, in rhythm. You know, ball out
of his hands in two seconds like new You're hitting
the first progression majority of time. I mean most of
those plays were him stepping up yeah, or you know,
navigating receivers, you know the direction that he wanted them
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to go, avoiding you know, tacklers or free hitters in
the pocket like that. That was the part that was
most impressive was there was a lot of stuff that
was off script, but.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It wasn't like just running around.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean it was it was like this discipline of
like you talk about pocket presence, man stepping up, avoid
one guy, slide to the right. You know, look at
your second progression. No it's not there, step up again,
third progression, No, okay, I'm you know, taking off and
running right through the middle of the hashes for fifteen
yards or man by a little bit of time to left.
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Like it was a little bit of everything, but it
was like you talk about sustaining drives in situations where
man he was dead to rights at times in the
pocket somehow, some way, and everything about it was just
so fundamentally sound. Two hands on the ball, like navigating
it away from the defender. It was really impressive to watch.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I love that play at Jamar Chase where he's in
the pocket and you can see him go, hey, go
over the It's like it's like wreck basketball, Hey bro,
go over to the corner. I'll get your three. That's like,
it's so awesome to watch that. And you had those moments.
It's those are the kind of moments I'm thinking a
guy like you miss this football where it's like when
you're in the rhythm, you're talking to your receipt, you're
directing traffic, you're a traffic cop. That's I just I'm
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sitting on the couch thinking this is incredible what I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's that flow state that quote unquote. So that
feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, Drew Brees is gonna be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Love having you on, man, Appreciate you seeing
you again.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You tool, Thanks Man.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
All right, Yeah, that was a showcase last night. You're
watching that game and unless you have Mahomes and you
know there's about three quarterbacks, you're fine with everybody else
in the league. You're watching Herbert in the first half
and Burrow in the second, and you're going, I got
quarterback envy that was in That was a showcase. You
could have taken Herbert in the first half. I'm watching
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it and I'm thinking, God, Herbert makes Burrow look irrelevant
and as good as justin what in the second and half,
I'm like, who, what is going on? What am I watching?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I know everybody was into the Pittsburgh Baltimore game earlier, Yeah,
which was like the polar opposite of.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Sunday night football.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And you know, just from my perspective, I prefer the
Burrow Herbert shootout, high scoring, big plays, which do you
lean towards the defensive battle.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The Steelers and the Ravens organizationally have been rock solid,
well run places. You know, the Chargers and Bengals have
been wonky. So they need a quarterback to save them.
I mean, Pittsburgh makes the playoffs with Mason Rudolph and
so you're talking when a quarterback goes to the Steelers
or he goes to the Ravens, there is very little chaos.
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They both draft and develop well. And I do think
the Chargers have turned a corner as an organization. They
have beautiful new facilities. They clearly spend money on coaching.
You know, the reputation what they were in San Diego,
Well they got a lot better revenue in LA and
they and they spend it. By the way, They're not cheap.
But it's different whereas you feel a Herbert and the
Borough have to kind of lead the way of the
franchise and then eventually you get him a hardball. And
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now what you're noticing is it's not all Herbert. The
defense saves him. So I mean that was the first
time I've watched the Chargers in like seven eight weeks.
You're like, their defense let them down in the second half,
so Herbert had to come to the rescue and play
them perfect football in the first half. But quarterbacks can't
do it alone. And it did feel the last several
years basically Burrow and Chase and Herbert basically life preserver
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the ship sinking. But I don't feel that with the Chargers.
I feel like coaching defense Herbert JK. Dobbins HRBT.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
By the way, I.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Think the game when we drive was four plays eighty
four yards in like thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Mconkie, mcconkee, JK.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
It takes the.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Ravens and Steelers in that game like four drives to
go eighty four yards. It's just totally different football. And
for as a fan just watching, I much prefer the South.
That game was you could not take your eyes off.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It was insane, just big.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Chunk plays galore and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are just a
slobber knocker, which is just fine.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You know. By the way, Cowboys Texans tonight, I like
the Texans first half.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I to go on that one big guy.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, I'm taking the Texans, but I really like him.
In the first half.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
First half, who getting exotic? Huh? I was Blaison five.
I didn't look at the bat.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was two and three whatever, Okay, I was having
so much fun I didn't care.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It was a lot of good football.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I mean I had I had. I thought Burrow
in the Bengals, I had them last. But when it
was tied, I'm like, now, I want the Chargers to
win because the bottom line is I want to see
somebody challenge the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens.
And it's like, you know, Cincinnati can't. Their defense isn't
good enough. I feel like Cincinnati is a deeply flawed
team on the back end of their defense. They they're
just limitations with They have three or four great players,
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but a lot of meh. I think the Chargers are
one player. If you gave them one, if you put
just to say this, if you put t Higgins, just
T Higgins, not Jamar Chase t Higgins on the Chargers,
I think they could win the Super Bowl. I think
they missed a big another big, illegitimate veteran receiving target like.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
That Quintin Johnson's coming around.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
He's coming around pretty good.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Not t Higgins, No, no, no, no, he's strong. Yeah, massive game.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh he's great.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
You know, I was thinking about this, so this weekend
we saw a young, great athlete, flawed, hardworking young make
an old legend look sad. And no, I'm not talking
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about Jake Paul and Tyson. I'm talking about Anthony Richardson
and Aaron Rodgers. I'm watching that Colts Jet game. It
had a Jake Paul Tyson feel to it, like like
Anthony Richardson isn't perfect, dynamic, hard worker. Reportedly, I thought
he looked excellent against the Jets. Now maybe that's just
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Robert Sala's gone and they have the worst coaching staff
in the league. But Aaron Rodgers has become dink and
dunk Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't move particularly well. He doesn't
want to hang in the pocket. I mean, at the
end of that football game, you guys watched it, they
were down to forty two seconds left. Forty six seconds left,
he was sacked twice. He looked, there's a Tyson feel
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to it, like that's not it. So it's Colin. You
don't like Aaron. All I've said with the Jets, I
said before the season, you would not be a playoff team.
I said, you're out of your mind firing your best coach.
And I said number three is Aaron at this point
is not a savior. This whole savior stuff is nonsense.
Russell Wilson of Denver, It's not a savior. Brady went
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to a loaded Tampa team. Stafford went to a great
coach and a pretty good roster with the Rams. There's
no such thing as a savior. But if you look
at Aaron right now, he's Tyson, Like it's over. I mean,
you watch him, You watch Anthony Richardson on that field
with Aaron Rodgers. One guy has got a cannon. One
guy is running over people. One guy I mean, look
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at this, I mean this, this guy is running past
and all that collision is the goal line. The hell
that is like, that's like Derrick Henry and I mean
I've been saying.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
This for weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I like the Colt roster. I think the Colts have
good players, but you're watching Anthony Richardson. That is a
world class athlete, and he may be flawed like our
Jake Paul is not perfect. He's not as fluid as
Joe Burrow. It's not always pretty with Anthony Richardson. But
boy did he make Aaron look old and dink and
(25:34):
dunk and no dynamic downfield stuff. Just what I saw.
And I mean, you know I don't play favorites. Here's
here's Aaron after the loss.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I mean, it's just pointing. I've said that three times now.
But you know, we've been working over the or trying
to figure out what the issues are. It's not just
one person. Sometimes me, sometimes somebody else, but unfortunate, Yeah,
we did score enough points and then that's been our
problem all year.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, sometimes it's me. Sometimes it's sometimes it's me.
You could just drop the mic right there. Sometimes it's me,
and and don't don't blame anybody else. That's not what
leaders do. Hey, it's me, cause I'm watching what you're
watching Friday on Netflix, and I'm watching that yesterday. It's
the same basic thing. Jmcklan news.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
On the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Let's quickly revisit the Matt Eberflu's decision to settle for
a forty six yard field goal. Some bad high leverage
decisions yesterday by teams all around the league forty nine Ers, Jets,
but this Bears one was maybe the worst.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Several Packers defenders.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Including Carl Brooks, told the media they knew they were
going to block the kick.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yayls king field goals throughout the whole gang.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
So we just look at it here and you know,
we just we just see where it's coming from.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Life is on the right, house is come from this
A guy for this egg.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Guy really just get a hand on it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh, simpl The Chiefs two weeks ago out played in
one on a block kick. The Packers totally outplayed by
Chicago Packers.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That's called coaching and execution. They saw something on film
and they waited. I mean, the Packer players basically knew
the Bears kicker and his tendencies better than the Bears
knew the Bears kicker.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Well, part of it has to do with Egra flu
So Colin.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
They were first and ten yep from the thirty with
thirty five seconds left. And they basically decided we're gonna run, run, play,
get two yards and that's we're done.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
We're good, We're good. Why thirty five seconds left? Throw
the football game more yards? Forty six is not a layup.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
We saw guys miss from twenty six and twenty seven
yards yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh no, how about the Bengals kicker weeks? Well, last
night the Bengals kicker missed two of them. One of
them shanked it.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
That's indoors, Like, I don't know what these coaches. The
coach had scared. And one of my buddies posted a video.
There's like, over the last decade, three times Chicago coaches
have done this conservative.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Well, we didn't want a football. They were stack in
the box. We set up for a field goal and
they miss her blocked, Like, this is just.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
We listen, this is that. I like last week the
Denver loss, we said, hey, bon Nicks out played Mahomes.
That's as good a loss as bon Nicks can have.
I did come out of this and I thought Caleb
got rid of the OC. Caleb looked in control. They
got him layups. He was could. They didn't have any
three and outs, they didn't have a single three and
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out and get a better draft pick. And you're not
one of the Super Bowl anyway, So just get a
better draft pick. I'd better you draft seven than draft eighteen.
This is not a good draft. There's like, I mean,
they're talking about this draft. There's like, usually there's sixteen
to eighteen bona fide first round picks. This year they
say there's eight.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Oh it's early. Come on, right, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, I mean it's not that it's a it's a
thin draft at the top. It's not that there's not
five rounds of players, but it's just not usually you
have every gem I've ever talked to, there's sixteen guys
that you're like, they look different. They like brock Bowers
is unbelievable the tight end for the Raiders. He may
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be he's the most talented tight end in football. He's
what everybody thought Kyle Pitts would be. I'm not saying
he's the best tight end, he's the most talented tight
end in football. Kirby Smart has told people, of all
the athletes he ever had at Georgia, brock Bowers is
different than all of them. I mean, you're seeing Carson
Beck George's quarterback like his miss But I'm saying there's
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only and Joel was a guy that has walked in
for the Chargers. He's been sensational. Aiden Hutchison for the Lions.
You can tell by like eight games, you're like Burrow.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
This is a very thin draft up top.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
All right, let's get to the next story. The Jags
worst loss in franchise history, fifty two to six. But
I love this Doug Peterson action. He's been so ornerary
the last few we see. Knows he's a dead man.
So here's what Peterson said when asked about job security
after the game.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I can't control of that. And you know, listen, I've
been around this league a long time, and you know,
if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, obviously. But at
the same time, I still have a job to do.
And and and that's to you know, you don't get
ready for, you know, a good division opponent here in
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two weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It feels like to me, there's a lot of stuff leaking.
Whenever people's jobs are in jeopardy, you get a lot
of leaks in the building. People the Lakers did this
at the end. You saw a lot of this stuff,
you know, not not last year with Darvin Hamm. It
was a few years earlier. Everybody starts leaking stuff, and
I feel like the Jags now, Trent Bulky's putting stuff
out there, and Doug's got his people and it's just
(30:51):
a mess. Yeah, you asked me a question. You know,
there's rumors now that Belichick would consider Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I'm very dubious of that.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know what, I think. I think Belichick should go,
but he wouldn't the Bengals Burrow and Belichick now. But
but I'm not saying. My take is I think Zach
Taylor's fine. Really, I think he's fine.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So you're the one.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You think he's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He's fine. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I don't think he's the reason they're losing all these games.
Can you see Burrow's numbers in there? I think it's
in their seven losses, he has like eighteen touchdowns and
two bicks.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
The defense is falling apart.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But that's and.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Taylor's play calling is horrific.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But that's you get too caught up in play calling.
It's execution. The reason that Ladd mcconkee. Play worked last night, Herbert,
because Ladd McConkie went up for the ball and made
a play. Was it a great call? If that ball's
picked off, You're like, why are you thrown into coverage
a player made a play. Play calling's overrated. Execution on
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the calls is underrated. Go look at the LADDI mcconkee,
justin Herbert play up, Not the other one, but the
one up the sideline. Is that a great play call? No,
it's a hell of a catch by Ladd McConkey. That's
all that is. The pack I mean, the Packers got
out play by the Bears, but the Packers execution on
the field goal block was unbelievable. So that Baylor's fine.
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The offense, he's an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, coaches in that division, for we go ahead, Mike Tomlin,
John Harbaugh, Stefanski, and Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
All of them do good. John, I'm not gonna ring.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Okay, So the worst cour coach in the division right now,
I think he's good.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
It's Colin the play calling around the field goal attempts
late in the game, like Burrow saving his bacon escaping.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I'm doing some crazy stuff in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, Burrough's saving that organization's bacon because it's the cheapest
franchise in the league.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
If they fired just the defensive coordinator and Keith Taylor,
no playoffs next year.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
The rest of the league's coming up. But Broncos and
Chargers are going nowhere. We know they're on the cup.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
What did I always telling you keep an eye on
the call when you watch a team that's losing, ask yourself,
this is the coach's side of the ball. Fine. Sean
mc zherman's defense is always fine. He can coach Jim
Harbaugh at Michigan. The minute he got a good quarterback,
they rolled people. But he was winning ten games with
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average quarterbacks. Cincinnati's offense is never the problem. Zach can
coach organizationally, they're peeling off Joe Mixon. They're peeling off safeties. Well,
their defense and running game aren't is good. That's not
his fault. You don't run the cap.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
You know who likes hearing this segment, Mike Tomlin. He
likes Zach Taylor sticking around because.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
He so real quick.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Belichick Jags. Let's say Bengals doesn't come open.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Let's say Eagles doesn't come open, you think Belichick goes
to the Jags.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I think I think Belichick privately was crossing his fingers
that the mess in Philadelphia would careen out of control.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
There's still a lot of room to go. The only
argument for the Jags is that division's not very.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I don't think there's a good job opening this year
in the NFL. I thought last year there was one.
It was the Herbert Johns.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I mean, if the Eagles don't win a playoff game,
you think Sirianni safe. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
If the Eagles go to the playoffs and get beat
like buying Atlanta, and they don't look they like get worked,
then you're in trouble. But the Philadelphia job, if it's open,
and it probably won't be, now, that's a great job.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Niners so upset they fight, Oh god, joke, that was
a joke.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You want to run off every coach who's on a
two games Bears job. You didn't have a good job.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
I don't know. You want caleber or Trevor Worritz ownership.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Not a good job.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Bear's got talent, man, they got some dudes on defensive.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't question that I'm not questioning the athletes, I'm
questioning upstairs.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Until the division is really tough. That's the one saving
grace for Jacksonville. The division's horror, Like you could go
in there and win the division next year. Final story
Colin is, oh, let's go back to the Bengals. Uh
and and here we go. We saved this for last.
So Joe Burrow was phenomenal second half. Jamar Chase had
a great game. Afterward, the media asked why Cincinnati has
had trouble giving up fourth quarter leads. Listen closely, mister Cowherd.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's Zacht, that's the coaches.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Oh ask me, that's not my job.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, it don't really matter how good I perform.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Putting up all them numbers and losing not.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Good, asked the coach. While we're losing, don't ask me.
That's what he said. I'll just go up quoting him.
Ask the coach as well.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean, if you came to me and said Fox's budgets,
they went over budgets, I'd go, that's not me, that's upstairs.
What does that mean. I don't like the people upstairs,
or that's not my job. If you walk into a hospital,
oh my heart, it's palpitating, and you go to the
front desk, she goes, that's not my job. Sit down
and I'll get a surgeon for you.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Deed is Zach Taylor on the show this week. Let's
go give me a break.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I'm telling you, Buffalo. Kansas City lived up to it
though it was fun. Listen, Kansas City's been We've been
waiting for Kansas City to lose for eight weeks. I
can't believe Kansas City won fifteen straight. I can't even
believe it. Twelve one possession. So that puppy, I mean, eventually,
you know what was gonna happen. Matt Hasselback, JK. Dobbins,
(36:07):
don't go anywhere. It's the Hurd.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
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Speaker 5 (36:17):
The matchup We've all been waiting for us here On
Big Noon Saturday, second ranked Ohio State takes on undefeated
fitth ranked Indiana in one of the season's biggest games.
That all kicks off from Columbus at ten am with
big noon kickoff. Then don't miss Indiana evers Ohio State
at noon.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Only on Fox. So if Ohio State loses at home
to Indiana after losing their other big game to Oregon,
you guys all guaranteed they get into the playoffs. I'm
just saying, Oh, they beat Penn State, Come on, didn't
play that well. I don't know, oh gonna get after
Joel clad again. I watch Indiana play. Indiana matches up
(36:58):
very well. And by the way, Oregon had a stinker
this weekend. They won. They didn't play very well against Wisconsin,
but Wisconsin's D line gave Oregon's O line issues. But
everybody gets a bad game, it's just that Oregon wins THEIRS.
I didn't play well against Idaho or Wisconsin. They won THEIRS.
By the way Oregon's played a lot of it feels
like they're on the road a lot for a college team.
(37:19):
I feel like Oregon's oh was on the road. I'm
just saying I thought Drew Brees had a good point.
So we've been talking about this. Lamar Jackson's great against
everybody except Kansas City, and he's really bad against the Steelers.
Like his numbers get cut in half, and I mean
it's incredible. His completion percentage drops. His passer rating is
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seventy four against the Steelers and Chiefs one oh two
against everybody else. He's less dynamic, he makes more mistakes,
and Drew Brees said he thinks a lot of it
is mental in the way the Steelers approached Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Pittsburgh doesn't fear ballt Yeah, I think there's a lot
of teams that step on the field with Baltimore and
all of a sudden, you know, you get Lamar and
making some plays and you know Derek Henry running down
hill at you, and I'm sure they get intimidated. But
I think we know by now the Mike Tomlin met
Steelers like they don't fear anybody, and I think they
take pride in the fact that and they play smash
(38:20):
raul football and that's just what they do. I think
that's what you've seen in these matchups between Pittsburgh and Baltimore,
is that man Pittsburgh is like, we're gonna hit him
in the mouth. We know how to play Lamar. I mean, look,
he's gonna make his fair share of plays, but let's
try to make him do stuff that's maybe outside of
his comfort zone or not, you know, outside of their identity.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I think Drew points out and when you watch this game,
they do a good job of just forcing him to
the sideline. They just keep pushing him to the sideline.
And I mean, you just watch some of these highlights.
I'm sorry for the radio audience, but like, this is
a great play and they wouldn't necessarily get a clean
hit on him, but they just keep pushing him and
pushing him and pushing him. This was an incredible interception
(39:00):
by the Steeler linebacker. But I mean it's you know,
I admit on the Pittsburgh Steelers, I was wrong on
Russell Wilson. I was wrong on the Steelers. I always
thought Mike Tomlin was a good coach. This has been
his peace day resistance. He has been phenomenal this year.
But there is something to be said that the more
you see of Mahomes it doesn't change anything. The more
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you see of Josh Allen or Burrow it doesn't really
change anything. But because stylistically Lamar is so unique that
you do sort of catch up to him the more
of him you see. And again, I've talked to an
executive who his rookie year said like, the first time
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you see him, he looks fast on tape, but you
have no idea how much twitchier he is. He just
he You know, he gets you into bad spaces. And
then the second time you play him, you're like, Okay,
there is a way to defend him, to give you
a better shot at it. And I think Pittsburgh, now,
what are They've won like eight of nine against him?
(40:04):
They have faced him so many times, Like you can
face Josh Allen as many times as you want. Miami
can't get over Josh Allen. What is Josh Allen against
the Dolphins? Brian Flores couldn't stop Bill Belichick couldn't stop
him in New England. I mean, it doesn't matter how
many times you face Josh Allen. He can pass, he
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can run, he could There's nothing you can do. There's
nothing you can do. But Lamar is stylistically not as
good from the pocket, though better than people give him
credit for. Amazingly twitchy, likes to move to the outside.
He's very comfortable doing that, and Pittsburgh's kind of figured
out a way. There is a way to defend him.
I don't like to admit it because I love him
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as a player, but it does feel like Pittsburgh solved
the riddle a little bit on how to defend the
most mobile quarterback of our life. They've they've got a
little bit of a formula and they're not giving it
to anybody else, but they figured out how to do it.
All right, Hasselbeck's gonna be joining us. JK. Dobbins, the
winning touchdown for the Chargers is gonna be joining us.
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We gotta get a Detroit line on this show. Quick,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we Go, Hour two. Drew brees around the corner
live in Los Angeles. It's The Herd wherever you may
be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making
us part of your day. So it's San Francisco. Now,
who's five and five? Gets green Bay at green Bay?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now?
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Green Bay beat Chicago. I missed poke obviously, we just
watched the highlights and I watched the game. But green
Bay I got out played, is what I meant. Green
Bay goes to Chicago, gets out played, gets pushed around
the field. They're gonna be pissed, They're gonna come back
home in a bad mood. Then it's Buffalo. So it's
two road games and Green Bay is one of those
games you win, but you got totally outplayed by the Bears.
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So those are the as Sean Payton told me this
year's ago. The best games for a coach. You win,
but you don't play well, and you can dog cush
your player. You can coach so hard that week when
your team loses, you don't want to crush their spirit.
And when they win, you don't want them too high.
What you like him, they win it. They don't play
that well, so you can coach hard that week. And
(01:24):
that's Green Bay. So lafleur. You win the game, but
you're like Chicago had the ball the whole game. I mean,
I mean Jordan Love only attempted seventeen throws. I think
they just didn't have the ball. All right, here we go.
We do it every Monday at this time. Where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong, and there's always plenty
of both.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Bow knicks four touchdowns in the last seven weeks. He
has been the best rookie quarterback in the league without
a doubt. Last seven weeks. Thirteen touchdowns, two picks, one
zero six passer rating and sixty nine percent completion percentage.
And this is not a great roster. They're in cap
hell because of the Russell Wilson deal, their draft pick
light and I told you, I said, I think this
(02:03):
is Drew Brees with more mobility. And when that Vegas
said it was a five win team, I'm like, Sean
Payton's worth three wins. Bow Knicks sixty one college starts,
gonna win some games. Bow Knicks looks like right now
the last seven weeks, the most consistent quarterback in the
entire rookie class. And we told you Peyton would want him.
(02:26):
He's perfect birth Peyton, and.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Watch out where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Anthony Richardson got benched, and I said, I don't know
if he's the guy gets hurt. Can't do this, get boy.
He looked great. He looked great throwing the ball down
the field. You still got all the dynamic stuff. In fact,
I would have run him more than they did. But
I thought he looked excellent. The benching prided him good,
refocused his actuer accuracy. Unlike Aaron Rodgers. He threw the
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ball down the field. He didn't make a big time throws.
So you know, sometimes it used to be you could
bench a quarderback twenty years ago and it wasn't the
lead headline story. It just happened. You could do it
in the NFL College high school. Now you know it's headlines,
but the benching, I don't know what it was, but
I thought composure. You got all the upside of Anthony
Richards and you got the big, strong athlete. You've got
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excellent timing, excellent sideline throws. That's wrong on that.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Where Colin was right, I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Said, all Justin Herbert needs is Jim Harbaugh. I remember
before they hired, Jim Harby said he's going to change
the franchise overnight, and people are like overrated. No, you're not. No,
Jim Harbaugh's not. Everywhere he goes, he turns the team
around instantly. I mean Justin Herbert this year, like last
night's great example, Justin Herbert's the leading rusher. He still
(03:45):
doesn't have enough weapons. Two touchdowns, no picks, ninety four
passer rating. Justin didn't have a perfect second half.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
They don't have enough weapons. But Jim Harbaugh has done
exactly what we said he'd do. Stop doubting Harbaugh. There's
an argument Jimmy Johnson are the best coaches ever in
terms of college and pro. They win both instantly. He's great.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Where Colin was right, The New.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
York Giants are going to replace Daniel Jones with Tommy DeVito, who,
by the way, was fun to watch. I never got
Daniel Jones as a number six pick. I did not
get doubling down on the contract. Since he signed that contract,
in the last two years, he's three and thirteen, ten
touchdowns and thirteen picks. Seems like a nice kid from
the South. Maybe they felt he was going to be
the next Eli Manning, but it's just one of those
(04:31):
He's not a natural thrower. He's a big, strong kid
that moves pretty well, but he misses too many easy throws.
And Brian Dabole is a really good coach. He knows
what he's doing. He's done everything. He got this kid
into the playoffs. But since he signed that contract, maybe
it's the pressure he's gotten worse. And from the very beginning,
we just didn't think this was ever going to work.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Where Colin was raw the minute.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I called Colorado the fake idea of college football. Five
minutes later, they've been on fire. They blew out Utah.
Utah doesn't get blown out a lot. Forty nine to
twenty four. Now, I think Shadu or Sanders is absolutely unbelievable.
But they've caught fire as a program. They control their destiny.
They could win the Big Twelve. I don't know when
I watch them play. If you have the two best
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players in college football and they maybe do, I think
you deserve to be in the playoff. They could win
the Big Twelve. I bailed on him. I said, you know,
that's a lot of sizzle. It's a lot of like
Shoulder and Travis Hunter. But their defensive line creates pressure,
they get turnovers. Boy was I wrong on Colorado. I
was right for a while, but the minute I gave up,
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they turned twenty one and they're for real, not a
fake ID where Colin was right. Guys, the Jets were
never going to be a playoff team. They don't have
that kind of leadership and Aaron Rodgers. You can blame
everybody else. When Robert Sala got fired, I said, do
not listen to New York media. He's your best coach.
(05:56):
You are letting your best coach out of the building,
and you do not have an elite coordinator. Ever since
Sala left, the offense is worse, the defense is worse.
You don't have to love Robert Salim, but they fired
him five days before he was gonna face Buffalo for
as chance to be in first place. Memo to bad
NFL owners, Never let your best coach, even if he's
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not Andy Reid. Never let your best coach walk out
of the building. This is the one sport in America,
not Baseball, hockey, NBA. We're a coach, Sean Payton can
be worth four wins. He'll let the best coach in
the staff walk out. It didn't make any sense then,
doesn't make any sense now where Colin was right, Jared
(06:40):
Goff remains the most underrated quarterback, maybe in the last decade,
in this league. Folks his perfect passer ratings, their routine.
I know his offensive line is good. Well, everybody needs
a good offensive line. Jared a former number one pick.
I watched him at Cal. He is I believe he
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is a better Matt Ryan, a better arm. He's poised,
he's tough when he gets hit, He's never injured, he
doesn't miss games. He's obviously a kid line of scrimmage.
But Jared Goff because he doesn't move, he doesn't have
the sizzle. He doesn't run around everybody, just like eyes
overrated folks. He took the Rams to the super Bowl,
and right now the Lions are favored to get to
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the super Bowl. It can't always be everybody else is
the reason you're good. At some point, you're the reason
your teams are always good. Where Colin was right, Well,
I predicted Jake Paul and Tyson would be a circus,
and I like going to the circus about once a year.
And that's what it was. This is why boxing cannot
(07:45):
be a foundational piece of a sports network and why
this network and ESPN and NBC have kind of bailed
on boxing. But but a lot of people cared. A
lot of people watched. I watched, my wife watched this.
This is what boxing can be, a little clicky looking
for the headlines. I did think Jake Paul had a
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lot of self awareness. When the fight was over, he
acknowledged nobody wanted to see me beat up on Tyson.
Mike lost half the blood in his body in July.
This fight should have been in March or April. He
ran out of gas by the middle of the third round.
He lost his legs. Listen, there was a fifty to
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fifty chance this was going to be a dud, and
it was for everybody except Netflix's bottom line. Where Colin
was right, Where Colin was wrong on a Monday. Oh,
I haven't talked to Drew Brees in a couple of weeks.
Thirteen time Pro Bowl are going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. Twenty NFL seasons, you know, you
had one of the most intense coaches in the history
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of the league is Sean Payton. And that's why I
love Sean. He's intense. He don't have to guess what
he's thinking. Harbaugh. Similarly, you know people for years have
said he a little odd whatever, you know exactly what
he thinks. I cannot believe how he's taken the same
roster Drew. It's the same defensive roster. Give me an
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idea of what he'd by the way Sean went to
New Orleans, they were the worst team in the league.
The next year they weren't. You've been in these rebuilding things.
What do you think the secret sauce with hardball was?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Where are something to be said for accountability and consistency?
And to your point, wherever hardball has been it's been
a very similar formula. It's been we are going to
run the football, We're gonna play great defense and as
a result to that, that will put the quarterback in
a lot better situations. Yes, they do lack I think
some top end playmakers. Yeah, you know, on the edge
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with that charger offense. And yet if you're running the
ball effectively, you're going to get some favorable matchups outside.
You're going to have the ability to get guys open
with play action and other things. And then it's just
a matter of developing a trust in chemistry with the
guys that you're throwing to and understanding the formula to winning.
Just playing great defense, run the football, taking care of
the football, and you're always going to be then in
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a position to win games. And then if you just
become a master of situational football, which the guys like
Belichick and Harball and a few others are, then you're
always in a position where you're gonna have a wrinkler
two when you really need it most in order to
win these football games. And that's what you're seeing right
now with them.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
One of the things that made your Saints great, similar
to Brady Belichick or any Mahomes, is you had an identity.
You guys were play designers, You were efficient, You didn't you.
You didn't When I watched the Saints with Drew Brees,
you didn't leave anything on the editing floor. Like I
knew you were efficient. You know, I knew if you lost,
somebody out played it. That it happens. I watch Baltimore,
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I swear every time they face the Steelers of the Chiefs,
they lose their identity. They suddenly get finesse, they passed
too much. I watched it this weekend, and suddenly they're
throwing at thirty three, they're running at nineteen. There's no
Derrick Henry. When you were in big games, was this
something that you sometimes had that you would think, Drew, guys,
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we're getting away from who we are, get back to
who we are. Because Baltimore has really struggled with this
in these games against Kansas City and Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah, look, it's it's to your point. It's stay true
to your identity, understand what wins, and understand just.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Who you are.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And Baltimore is always going to be run the football,
play great defense, yes, and then the passing game and
some of the flash it comes off of that. But look,
I'll say this, you know Pittsburgh doesn't fear Baltimore. Yeah,
I think there's a lot of teams that step on
the field with Baltimore and all of a sudden, you know,
you get Lamar making some plays and you know, Derrick
Henry running down hill at you, and I'm sure they
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get intimidated. But I think we know by now that
the Mike Tomlin Ben Steelers like they don't fear anybody,
certainly don't fear anybody in the division. And I think
they take pride in the fact that, man, they play
Nashville football and that's just what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And so.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I think that's what you've seen in these matchups between
Pittsburgh and Baltimore, is that man, Pittsburgh is like, we're
going to hit him the mouth. We know how to
play Lamar. I mean, look, he's going to make his
fair share of plays, but let's try to make him
do stuff that's maybe outside of his comfort zone or not,
you know, outside of their identity.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I want you to go back to your first
couple of years or maybe your first year with and
you'd already had some years in the league. So it's
not perfectly analogous, but there is something that when I
watch this weekend, I watched bow Nicks is I'm sorry,
but last seven games, he's the best rookie quarterback and
I think we both have great admiration for Sean that
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he gives Bowl a couple of laps. He plays into
his athletics straints. But it's more than that. I mean,
Bowl looked so confident yesterday. What is the secret the
unlocking of letting you play with confidence but yet not
sloppy you, letting you take risks but they're official. I
feel like bow Knicks is pushing the envelope every week,
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but still he's not throwing picks, he's not making mistakes.
Take me to that.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, I'll say this, the biggest thing for bow Knicks
is what happened last week against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Even though they lost that game, it certainly was through
no fault to his own right. He put his team
in a position to go win that game in the
end and they got the field go block. But from
a confidence perspective, you basically went into two arrowhead and
playing against the gold standard of organizations here in your
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few in the over the last few years, and you
put your team in a position to go win that game.
And so I think coming into this game, I think
his confidence level was just at another level. And look,
if you take you knew it was going to take
a little bit of time this year. Hey, he's a
rookie quarterback. He's going to do rookie stuff at times.
He's still developing and understanding in a comfort level with
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the offense. He's developing a chemistry with all of his receivers. Look,
I don't think the Broncos have like any super elite,
you know, weapons outside. I think they have a bunch
of big receivers that bo Nix is now developing a
trust in the confidence with obviously a great coach and
play caller and a guy who also needed to get
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a feeling and understanding for what his quarterback could do
and is capable of, and you know, putting him in
the best positions to succeed and putting him in positions
where you know, he knows he's going to be able
to limit the mistakes and kind of bring him along,
you know. And so now I think we're just starting
to see you know, hey, we're ten eleven games into
this thing, and this is what you're saying, Plus just
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the development of confidence along the way. Look, that the
Denver defense is playing great. I think the run game
is coming along for them, and so all of those things,
but most importantly what happened last week. Man, you just
don't understand you talking about moral victories right, Like they
really should have won that game. Oh yeah, you'd be
put him in a position the game and should have
won the game even though they didn't. I know the
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feeling I would have had is Bonnick's walking in the
locker room. Yes, I'm pissed off because we just lost
the Chiefs. We should have won that game. Shouldn't be
Patrick Mahomes that in my mind, I'm thinking to myself,
we can beat anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, so I'm watching I said the Baltimore in Kansas
City was the prize fight we were hoping Netflix would
give us on Friday. I mean mahomes alan coaching toughness.
Sometimes I feel like Josh Allen is so talented Drew
it would be a little hard not to just take
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off and run. He's so big, he can do so
many things, and I think sometimes you're coaching him, not
coaching him down, but you're like use your weapons, you know.
And I watched him yesterday run over the Chiefs to
get to the end zone. I'm like, I'm not sure
I've ever seen a quarterback that can do that. When
you watch Josh Allen, what do you see?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, he's he's such a unique player in in his
just his physical traits, his size, his strength, I mean,
his ability to throw the ball down the field, his
ability to improvise. I mean you see it time and
time again, you know. And I think the thing for
for him, just as he's continued to mature, is, you know,
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just develop that consistency that developed like that, that trust,
that trust in the plan and in the formula. I
think it's easy for a guy who is so used
to just kind of making place off script too too
quickly at times go off script. And and I think
that's just again the maturation process of a quarterback who's
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coming into his own to really man trust the system,
play within the system, trust the formula. And then when
there are those opportunities where you are forced to abort
the pocket or man the team needs a play, you
then turn it on and know, Okay, now it's time
to go make the play.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I want to We'll show some video, I said justin
Herbert was great. First half Burrow in the second half,
it felt like Michael Jordan against the Blazers. He was
doing stuff like he was in a zone and all
you guy, I mean you you were a seventy percent
completion guy, But did you ever get to a point
in games where drew it all worked, the ball felt better.
(17:19):
I mean it just I'm watching him make plays and
I'm like, this is like a dominant high school kid.
I mean they charge. I mean, if he's had libbing,
ducking under stuff, I'm like, I don't know if I've
seen a better half of football from a quarterback this year.
You got into those moments, you got into those halfs
and is it a rhythm thing.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah. I think what was most impressive about Burrow last
night is it's not that it was just everything was
coming out on time, in rhythm. You know, ball out
of his hands in two seconds like new You're hitting
the first progression majority of time. I mean most of
those plays were him stepping up yeah, or you know,
navigating receivers, you know the direction that he wanted them
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to go, avoiding you know, tacklers or free hitters in
the pocket like that. That was the part that was
most impressive was there was a lot of stuff that
was off script, but.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
It wasn't like just running around.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean it was it was like this discipline of
like you talk about pocket presence, man stepping up, avoid
one guy, slide to the right. You know, look at
your second progression. No it's not there, step up again,
third progression, No, okay, I'm you know, taking off and
running right through the middle of the hashes for fifteen
yards or man by a little bit of time to left.
(18:35):
Like it was a little bit of everything, but it
was like you talk about sustaining drives in situations where
man he was dead to rights at times in the
pocket somehow, some way, and everything about it was just
so fundamentally sound. Two hands on the ball, like navigating
it away from the defender. It was really impressive to watch.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
It was.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I love that play at Jamar Chase where he's in
the pocket and you can see him go, hey, go
over the It's like it's like wreck basketball, Hey bro,
go over to the corner. I'll get your three. That's like,
it's so awesome to watch that. And you had those moments.
It's those are the kind of moments I'm thinking a
guy like you miss this football where it's like when
you're in the rhythm, you're talking to your receipt, you're
directing traffic, you're a traffic cop. That's I just I'm
(19:19):
sitting on the couch thinking this is incredible what I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, it's that flow state that quote unquote. So that
feels pretty good.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, Drew Brees is gonna be a first ballot Hall
of Famer. Love having you on, man, Appreciate you seeing
you again.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You tool, Thanks Man.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
All right, Yeah, that was a showcase last night. You're
watching that game and unless you have Mahomes and you
know there's about three quarterbacks, you're fine with everybody else
in the league. You're watching Herbert in the first half
and Burrow in the second, and you're going, I got
quarterback envy that was in That was a showcase. You
could have taken Herbert in the first half. I'm watching
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it and I'm thinking, God, Herbert makes Burrow look irrelevant
and as good as justin what in the second and half,
I'm like, who, what is going on? What am I watching?
Speaker 5 (20:04):
I know everybody was into the Pittsburgh Baltimore game earlier, Yeah,
which was like the polar opposite of.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Sunday night football.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And you know, just from my perspective, I prefer the
Burrow Herbert shootout, high scoring, big plays, which do you
lean towards the defensive battle.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
The Steelers and the Ravens organizationally have been rock solid,
well run places. You know, the Chargers and Bengals have
been wonky. So they need a quarterback to save them.
I mean, Pittsburgh makes the playoffs with Mason Rudolph and
so you're talking when a quarterback goes to the Steelers
or he goes to the Ravens, there is very little chaos.
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They both draft and develop well. And I do think
the Chargers have turned a corner as an organization. They
have beautiful new facilities. They clearly spend money on coaching.
You know, the reputation what they were in San Diego,
Well they got a lot better revenue in LA and
they and they spend it. By the way, They're not cheap.
But it's different whereas you feel a Herbert and the
Borough have to kind of lead the way of the
franchise and then eventually you get him a hardball. And
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now what you're noticing is it's not all Herbert. The
defense saves him. So I mean that was the first
time I've watched the Chargers in like seven eight weeks.
You're like, their defense let them down in the second half,
so Herbert had to come to the rescue and play
them perfect football in the first half. But quarterbacks can't
do it alone. And it did feel the last several
years basically Burrow and Chase and Herbert basically life preserver
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the ship sinking. But I don't feel that with the Chargers.
I feel like coaching defense Herbert JK. Dobbins HRBT.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
By the way, I.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Think the game when we drive was four plays eighty
four yards in like thirty seconds.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Mconkie, mcconkee, JK.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
It takes the.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Ravens and Steelers in that game like four drives to
go eighty four yards. It's just totally different football. And
for as a fan just watching, I much prefer the South.
That game was you could not take your eyes off.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It was insane, just big.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Chunk plays galore and Pittsburgh and Baltimore are just a
slobber knocker, which is just fine.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
You know. By the way, Cowboys Texans tonight, I like
the Texans first half.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I to go on that one big guy.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, I'm taking the Texans, but I really like him.
In the first half.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
First half, who getting exotic? Huh? I was Blaison five.
I didn't look at the bat.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was two and three whatever, Okay, I was having
so much fun I didn't care.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It was a lot of good football.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I mean I had I had. I thought Burrow
in the Bengals, I had them last. But when it
was tied, I'm like, now, I want the Chargers to
win because the bottom line is I want to see
somebody challenge the Chiefs and the Bills and the Ravens.
And it's like, you know, Cincinnati can't. Their defense isn't
good enough. I feel like Cincinnati is a deeply flawed
team on the back end of their defense. They they're
just limitations with They have three or four great players,
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but a lot of meh. I think the Chargers are
one player. If you gave them one, if you put
just to say this, if you put t Higgins, just
T Higgins, not Jamar Chase t Higgins on the Chargers,
I think they could win the Super Bowl. I think
they missed a big another big, illegitimate veteran receiving target like.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
That Quintin Johnson's coming around.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
He's coming around pretty good.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Not t Higgins, No, no, no, no, he's strong. Yeah, massive game.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh he's great.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
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Speaker 1 (23:18):
You know, I was thinking about this, so this weekend
we saw a young, great athlete, flawed, hardworking young make
an old legend look sad. And no, I'm not talking
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about Jake Paul and Tyson. I'm talking about Anthony Richardson
and Aaron Rodgers. I'm watching that Colts Jet game. It
had a Jake Paul Tyson feel to it, like like
Anthony Richardson isn't perfect, dynamic, hard worker. Reportedly, I thought
he looked excellent against the Jets. Now maybe that's just
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Robert Sala's gone and they have the worst coaching staff
in the league. But Aaron Rodgers has become dink and
dunk Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't move particularly well. He doesn't
want to hang in the pocket. I mean, at the
end of that football game, you guys watched it, they
were down to forty two seconds left. Forty six seconds left,
he was sacked twice. He looked, there's a Tyson feel
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to it, like that's not it. So it's Colin. You
don't like Aaron. All I've said with the Jets, I
said before the season, you would not be a playoff team.
I said, you're out of your mind firing your best coach.
And I said number three is Aaron at this point
is not a savior. This whole savior stuff is nonsense.
Russell Wilson of Denver, It's not a savior. Brady went
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to a loaded Tampa team. Stafford went to a great
coach and a pretty good roster with the Rams. There's
no such thing as a savior. But if you look
at Aaron right now, he's Tyson, Like it's over. I mean,
you watch him, You watch Anthony Richardson on that field
with Aaron Rodgers. One guy has got a cannon. One
guy is running over people. One guy I mean, look
(25:02):
at this, I mean this, this guy is running past
and all that collision is the goal line. The hell
that is like, that's like Derrick Henry and I mean
I've been saying.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
This for weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I like the Colt roster. I think the Colts have
good players, but you're watching Anthony Richardson. That is a
world class athlete, and he may be flawed like our
Jake Paul is not perfect. He's not as fluid as
Joe Burrow. It's not always pretty with Anthony Richardson. But
boy did he make Aaron look old and dink and
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dunk and no dynamic downfield stuff. Just what I saw.
And I mean, you know I don't play favorites. Here's
here's Aaron after the loss.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
I mean, it's just pointing. I've said that three times now.
But you know, we've been working over the or trying
to figure out what the issues are. It's not just
one person. Sometimes me, sometimes somebody else, but unfortunate, Yeah,
we did score enough points and then that's been our
problem all year.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah. Yeah, sometimes it's me. Sometimes it's sometimes it's me.
You could just drop the mic right there. Sometimes it's me,
and and don't don't blame anybody else. That's not what
leaders do. Hey, it's me, cause I'm watching what you're
watching Friday on Netflix, and I'm watching that yesterday. It's
the same basic thing. Jmcklan news.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
On the news. This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Let's quickly revisit the Matt Eberflu's decision to settle for
a forty six yard field goal. Some bad high leverage
decisions yesterday by teams all around the league forty nine Ers, Jets,
but this Bears one was maybe the worst.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Several Packers defenders.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Including Carl Brooks, told the media they knew they were
going to block the kick.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Yayls king field goals throughout the whole gang.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
So we just look at it here and you know,
we just we just see where it's coming from.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Life is on the right, house is come from this
A guy for this egg.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Guy really just get a hand on it.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Oh, simpl The Chiefs two weeks ago out played in
one on a block kick. The Packers totally outplayed by
Chicago Packers.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
That's called coaching and execution. They saw something on film
and they waited. I mean, the Packer players basically knew
the Bears kicker and his tendencies better than the Bears
knew the Bears kicker.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
Well, part of it has to do with Egra flu
So Colin.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
They were first and ten yep from the thirty with
thirty five seconds left. And they basically decided we're gonna run, run, play,
get two yards and that's we're done.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
We're good, We're good. Why thirty five seconds left? Throw
the football game more yards? Forty six is not a layup.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
We saw guys miss from twenty six and twenty seven
yards yesterday.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Oh no, how about the Bengals kicker weeks? Well, last
night the Bengals kicker missed two of them. One of
them shanked it.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
That's indoors, Like, I don't know what these coaches. The
coach had scared. And one of my buddies posted a video.
There's like, over the last decade, three times Chicago coaches
have done this conservative.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Well, we didn't want a football. They were stack in
the box. We set up for a field goal and
they miss her blocked, Like, this is just.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
We listen, this is that. I like last week the
Denver loss, we said, hey, bon Nicks out played Mahomes.
That's as good a loss as bon Nicks can have.
I did come out of this and I thought Caleb
got rid of the OC. Caleb looked in control. They
got him layups. He was could. They didn't have any
three and outs, they didn't have a single three and
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out and get a better draft pick. And you're not
one of the Super Bowl anyway, So just get a
better draft pick. I'd better you draft seven than draft eighteen.
This is not a good draft. There's like, I mean,
they're talking about this draft. There's like, usually there's sixteen
to eighteen bona fide first round picks. This year they
say there's eight.
Speaker 6 (28:48):
Oh it's early. Come on, right, that's not good.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, I mean it's not that it's a it's a
thin draft at the top. It's not that there's not
five rounds of players, but it's just not usually you
have every gem I've ever talked to, there's sixteen guys
that you're like, they look different. They like brock Bowers
is unbelievable the tight end for the Raiders. He may
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be he's the most talented tight end in football. He's
what everybody thought Kyle Pitts would be. I'm not saying
he's the best tight end, he's the most talented tight
end in football. Kirby Smart has told people, of all
the athletes he ever had at Georgia, brock Bowers is
different than all of them. I mean, you're seeing Carson
Beck George's quarterback like his miss But I'm saying there's
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only and Joel was a guy that has walked in
for the Chargers. He's been sensational. Aiden Hutchison for the Lions.
You can tell by like eight games, you're like Burrow.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
That's different.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
This is a very thin draft up top.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
All right, let's get to the next story. The Jags
worst loss in franchise history, fifty two to six. But
I love this Doug Peterson action. He's been so ornerary
the last few we see. Knows he's a dead man.
So here's what Peterson said when asked about job security
after the game.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
I can't control of that. And you know, listen, I've
been around this league a long time, and you know,
if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen, obviously. But at
the same time, I still have a job to do.
And and and that's to you know, you don't get
ready for, you know, a good division opponent here in
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two weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
It feels like to me, there's a lot of stuff leaking.
Whenever people's jobs are in jeopardy, you get a lot
of leaks in the building. People the Lakers did this
at the end. You saw a lot of this stuff,
you know, not not last year with Darvin Hamm. It
was a few years earlier. Everybody starts leaking stuff, and
I feel like the Jags now, Trent Bulky's putting stuff
out there, and Doug's got his people and it's just
(30:51):
a mess. Yeah, you asked me a question. You know,
there's rumors now that Belichick would consider Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (30:57):
I'm very dubious of that.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
You know what, I think. I think Belichick should go,
but he wouldn't the Bengals Burrow and Belichick now. But
but I'm not saying. My take is I think Zach
Taylor's fine. Really, I think he's fine.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So you're the one.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
You think he's fine.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He's fine. I have no problem with that.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 5 (31:15):
I don't think he's the reason they're losing all these games.
Can you see Burrow's numbers in there? I think it's
in their seven losses, he has like eighteen touchdowns and
two bicks.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
The defense is falling apart.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But that's and.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Taylor's play calling is horrific.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
But that's you get too caught up in play calling.
It's execution. The reason that Ladd mcconkee. Play worked last night, Herbert,
because Ladd McConkie went up for the ball and made
a play. Was it a great call? If that ball's
picked off, You're like, why are you thrown into coverage
a player made a play. Play calling's overrated. Execution on
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the calls is underrated. Go look at the LADDI mcconkee,
justin Herbert play up, Not the other one, but the
one up the sideline. Is that a great play call? No,
it's a hell of a catch by Ladd McConkey. That's
all that is. The pack I mean, the Packers got
out play by the Bears, but the Packers execution on
the field goal block was unbelievable. So that Baylor's fine.
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The offense, he's an offensive coach.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Okay, coaches in that division, for we go ahead, Mike Tomlin,
John Harbaugh, Stefanski, and Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
All of them do good. John, I'm not gonna ring.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Okay, So the worst cour coach in the division right now,
I think he's good.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
It's Colin the play calling around the field goal attempts
late in the game, like Burrow saving his bacon escaping.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
I'm doing some crazy stuff in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Well, Burrough's saving that organization's bacon because it's the cheapest
franchise in the league.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
If they fired just the defensive coordinator and Keith Taylor,
no playoffs next year.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
The rest of the league's coming up. But Broncos and
Chargers are going nowhere. We know they're on the cup.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
What did I always telling you keep an eye on
the call when you watch a team that's losing, ask yourself,
this is the coach's side of the ball. Fine. Sean
mc zherman's defense is always fine. He can coach Jim
Harbaugh at Michigan. The minute he got a good quarterback,
they rolled people. But he was winning ten games with
(33:11):
average quarterbacks. Cincinnati's offense is never the problem. Zach can
coach organizationally, they're peeling off Joe Mixon. They're peeling off safeties. Well,
their defense and running game aren't is good. That's not
his fault. You don't run the cap.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
You know who likes hearing this segment, Mike Tomlin. He
likes Zach Taylor sticking around because.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
He so real quick.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
Belichick Jags. Let's say Bengals doesn't come open.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
Let's say Eagles doesn't come open, you think Belichick goes
to the Jags.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
I think I think Belichick privately was crossing his fingers
that the mess in Philadelphia would careen out of control.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
There's still a lot of room to go. The only
argument for the Jags is that division's not very.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
I don't think there's a good job opening this year
in the NFL. I thought last year there was one.
It was the Herbert Johns.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Let's see.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I mean, if the Eagles don't win a playoff game,
you think Sirianni safe. I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
If the Eagles go to the playoffs and get beat
like buying Atlanta, and they don't look they like get worked,
then you're in trouble. But the Philadelphia job, if it's open,
and it probably won't be, now, that's a great job.
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Niners so upset they fight, Oh god, joke, that was
a joke.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
You want to run off every coach who's on a
two games Bears job. You didn't have a good job.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
I don't know. You want caleber or Trevor Worritz ownership.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Not a good job.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Bear's got talent, man, they got some dudes on defensive.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I don't question that I'm not questioning the athletes, I'm
questioning upstairs.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Until the division is really tough. That's the one saving
grace for Jacksonville. The division's horror, Like you could go
in there and win the division next year. Final story
Colin is, oh, let's go back to the Bengals. Uh
and and here we go. We saved this for last.
So Joe Burrow was phenomenal second half. Jamar Chase had
a great game. Afterward, the media asked why Cincinnati has
had trouble giving up fourth quarter leads. Listen closely, mister Cowherd.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's Zacht, that's the coaches.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Oh ask me, that's not my job.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah, it don't really matter how good I perform.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
At the end of the day.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Putting up all them numbers and losing not.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Good, asked the coach. While we're losing, don't ask me.
That's what he said. I'll just go up quoting him.
Ask the coach as well.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I mean, if you came to me and said Fox's budgets,
they went over budgets, I'd go, that's not me, that's upstairs.
What does that mean. I don't like the people upstairs,
or that's not my job. If you walk into a hospital,
oh my heart, it's palpitating, and you go to the
front desk, she goes, that's not my job. Sit down
and I'll get a surgeon for you.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Deed is Zach Taylor on the show this week. Let's
go give me a break.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I'm telling you, Buffalo. Kansas City lived up to it
though it was fun. Listen, Kansas City's been We've been
waiting for Kansas City to lose for eight weeks. I
can't believe Kansas City won fifteen straight. I can't even
believe it. Twelve one possession. So that puppy, I mean, eventually,
you know what was gonna happen. Matt Hasselback, JK. Dobbins,
(36:07):
don't go anywhere. It's the Hurd.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
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Speaker 5 (36:17):
The matchup We've all been waiting for us here On
Big Noon Saturday, second ranked Ohio State takes on undefeated
fitth ranked Indiana in one of the season's biggest games.
That all kicks off from Columbus at ten am with
big noon kickoff. Then don't miss Indiana evers Ohio State
at noon.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Only on Fox. So if Ohio State loses at home
to Indiana after losing their other big game to Oregon,
you guys all guaranteed they get into the playoffs. I'm
just saying, Oh, they beat Penn State, Come on, didn't
play that well. I don't know, oh gonna get after
Joel clad again. I watch Indiana play. Indiana matches up
(36:58):
very well. And by the way, Oregon had a stinker
this weekend. They won. They didn't play very well against Wisconsin,
but Wisconsin's D line gave Oregon's O line issues. But
everybody gets a bad game, it's just that Oregon wins THEIRS.
I didn't play well against Idaho or Wisconsin. They won THEIRS.
By the way Oregon's played a lot of it feels
like they're on the road a lot for a college team.
(37:19):
I feel like Oregon's oh was on the road. I'm
just saying I thought Drew Brees had a good point.
So we've been talking about this. Lamar Jackson's great against
everybody except Kansas City, and he's really bad against the Steelers.
Like his numbers get cut in half, and I mean
it's incredible. His completion percentage drops. His passer rating is
(37:42):
seventy four against the Steelers and Chiefs one oh two
against everybody else. He's less dynamic, he makes more mistakes,
and Drew Brees said he thinks a lot of it
is mental in the way the Steelers approached Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Pittsburgh doesn't fear ballt Yeah, I think there's a lot
of teams that step on the field with Baltimore and
all of a sudden, you know, you get Lamar and
making some plays and you know Derek Henry running down
hill at you, and I'm sure they get intimidated. But
I think we know by now the Mike Tomlin met
Steelers like they don't fear anybody, and I think they
take pride in the fact that and they play smash
(38:20):
raul football and that's just what they do. I think
that's what you've seen in these matchups between Pittsburgh and Baltimore,
is that man Pittsburgh is like, we're gonna hit him
in the mouth. We know how to play Lamar. I mean, look,
he's gonna make his fair share of plays, but let's
try to make him do stuff that's maybe outside of
his comfort zone or not, you know, outside of their identity.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
I think Drew points out and when you watch this game,
they do a good job of just forcing him to
the sideline. They just keep pushing him to the sideline.
And I mean, you just watch some of these highlights.
I'm sorry for the radio audience, but like, this is
a great play and they wouldn't necessarily get a clean
hit on him, but they just keep pushing him and
pushing him and pushing him. This was an incredible interception
(39:00):
by the Steeler linebacker. But I mean it's you know,
I admit on the Pittsburgh Steelers, I was wrong on
Russell Wilson. I was wrong on the Steelers. I always
thought Mike Tomlin was a good coach. This has been
his peace day resistance. He has been phenomenal this year.
But there is something to be said that the more
you see of Mahomes it doesn't change anything. The more
(39:23):
you see of Josh Allen or Burrow it doesn't really
change anything. But because stylistically Lamar is so unique that
you do sort of catch up to him the more
of him you see. And again, I've talked to an
executive who his rookie year said like, the first time
(39:43):
you see him, he looks fast on tape, but you
have no idea how much twitchier he is. He just
he You know, he gets you into bad spaces. And
then the second time you play him, you're like, Okay,
there is a way to defend him, to give you
a better shot at it. And I think Pittsburgh, now,
what are They've won like eight of nine against him?
(40:04):
They have faced him so many times, Like you can
face Josh Allen as many times as you want. Miami
can't get over Josh Allen. What is Josh Allen against
the Dolphins? Brian Flores couldn't stop Bill Belichick couldn't stop
him in New England. I mean, it doesn't matter how
many times you face Josh Allen. He can pass, he
(40:24):
can run, he could There's nothing you can do. There's
nothing you can do. But Lamar is stylistically not as
good from the pocket, though better than people give him
credit for. Amazingly twitchy, likes to move to the outside.
He's very comfortable doing that, and Pittsburgh's kind of figured
out a way. There is a way to defend him.
I don't like to admit it because I love him
(40:44):
as a player, but it does feel like Pittsburgh solved
the riddle a little bit on how to defend the
most mobile quarterback of our life. They've they've got a
little bit of a formula and they're not giving it
to anybody else, but they figured out how to do it.
All right, Hasselbeck's gonna be joining us. JK. Dobbins, the
winning touchdown for the Chargers is gonna be joining us.
(41:06):
We gotta get a Detroit line on this show. Quick,
best team in the league,
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