December 16, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about Baker Mayfield and wrong about Bill Belichick.
Plus, he talks to 3-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck about the Packers and if we should consider them real contenders in the NFC
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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all that stuff, all right, Jay Mac Matt hasselback mark
Sanches Today. We do it every Monday, at this time.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. There's plenty
of both. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I warned you last week on Dan Campbell he doesn't
trust his defense, so now he's going hyper reckless. I
really do like the man, but I think they're no
longer the hunted. They're the hunter. And I think it's
very hard to win a Super Bowl when you're reckless.
Now again defensively, I don't know. Maybe he feels like
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they have to take these big swings and I don't
think they were going to win the game anyway. But
I said it last week and I'll say it again.
Reckless teams don't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, on November eighteenth, when the Cowboys lost to the Texans,
I said they're in the middle of a soft tank. Well,
they've won three or four. Mike is playing great Ceedee
Lamb back to back touchdowns. Say what you want about
Cooper Rush. He moves the chains. So Mike McCarthy, there's
you know we've been saying this now. Mike McCarthy's a
good coach. I think he's gonna retain his job because
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he's winning these games and the team hasn't quit. You
look at the New York Giants, and you wonder if
the team has quit. You watch the Cowboys. I don't
see it. McCarthy's probably coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
When Baker signed that deal with Tampa, I said, I
would have no problem signing him. He's a good fit,
he's got the grit, he's got a chip on his shoulder,
and I think he's a really good leader. They now
lead the NFC South. He and Mike Evans totally in unison.
I think it is price point. He's actually a bargain.
I was blown away yesterday. The Chargers had the number
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one defense in the league and they dropped a forty
burger and they totally controlled this game. So I think
a lot for quarterbacks outside of the all time greats
is fit. Sam Darnold now has a good fit. Baker
chipping his shoulder, Tampa is a great fit.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Uh yeah, I never thought i'd see Bill Belichick take
the third to fourth best coaching job in the ACC.
I admit I see him as a pro coach. I
don't know if he and Mike Lombardi and mostly a
pro staff are going to feel collegiate. I said, I
feel like it's going to be a quicker, more rigid
version of Charlie Weiss, a pro guy who tried to
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make college work. He says, you know, I always thought
about coaching college. I think this, in my opinion, is
more about the NFL turning their nose up in the
air at Bill Belichick and not wanting his rigidity and
personnel control. But I'll admit watching him in Carolina Blue,
it's a bit of a shocker for me. Where Colin
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was right. I picked the Rams to win the division
before the season started. Matt Stafford zero pick in five weeks.
They now officially lead the division. They started one and four,
they were all beat up from the on line and
wide receiver. They are seven and two since just like
last year when they got healthy, they finished strong last year.
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Right now, Cooper Cup's healthy, Puka Nakua, their offensive line,
Havenstein's backup. This is a very, very good team. I
do feel like they're a draft away from hoisting another trophy.
But this is a team I thought would win this division.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
In the last nine games, Lebron is shooting twenty five
percent from three and forty five percent on field goals.
I had said earlier this season, I still considered him
a top ten player, and I defended him like mid November.
He's not. He disappeared. His turnovers are up, his shooting
is down. He has lost his legs. Listen, I'm not
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this should have happened five years ago. I'm shocked it
took this long, but that absence for whatever reasons. Speculate
all you want. He looked out of gas. And the
first thing in an athlete loses is the legs. Fifty
year old quarterback can still grab a football and sling it,
and Steph Curry will be able to shoot when he's seventy,
but it's the legs, and Lebron is not a top
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ten player. Where Colin was right, I don't get the
brock perty for sixty million dollars discussion. Well, what do
you know? They pulled San Francisco fans and forty percent
believe brock Purty should get in the twenty to thirty
million dollar range. So at least I agree with the Niners.
Listen to the four biggest games this year. One he
was hurt, and the three others he was easily the
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second best quarterback in the field. I like him. He
struggles in wet weather. I don't think he's a guy
that can elevate average players. I think he is a
quarterback that can manage great players. I would pay him.
I think he's a franchise guy. He started talking fifty
five to sixty million. We're talking Lamar, We're talking Mahomes,
Alan Stafford. I don't think that's for brock perty and
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now Niner fans agree.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Where Colin was raw well, I.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Didn't think Devonte Adams was going to for the pack
for the Jets. I felt like he bounced around. Aaron
was shot. But I gotta be honest. Those two yesterday
were great. The last four minutes of the game. They
were historic. Statistically, Davante's had over three hundred yards in
the last two games. And I'm critical of Aaron Rodgers,
so I have to be fair. I think in the
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last three to four weeks, Aaron has found his footing.
Davante Adams. Now Garrett Wilson from the reaction on the sideline,
may not love it, but I will tell you now,
between Garrett Wilson and Davonte Adams, Aaron has looked very comfortable.
I thought the season was over three four weeks ago.
They have played incredibly hard offensively, They've been very good
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late in games. I's wrong on that. I thought they
were done. Nope, they still got some life where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong, and with that eighteen
years in the league. I love our Monday Show and
Matt Hasselbeck stops on end, the three time pro bowler.
So I'm watching the Lions fall apart, and I know
Dan animalst kind of his DNA is he is a
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go He's an alpha. He gonna take some shots kinda.
But I wonder now if he's being I view him
as reckless because he just doesn't trust the defense. And
I do think sometimes coaches go, we can't stop anybody.
Do you think it's his DNA or do you think
now he's just lost trust in the defense. While he
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would call that onside kick.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
No, I don't think it has anything to do with
the defense. I just think it's his DNA. He's an
emotional guy, and it's part of what you love about him.
You know, sometimes former players, when they become coaches, they
have to learn how to like separate that. I'm getting
geeked up to go cover a kickoff mentality and have
to learn how to be calm and just sort of
be discerning. And while all the chaos is going on
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around you, you're not the guy hyping everybody up. You're
the guy that's sitting back, almost like you know the
movie Bagger Vance when he steps up to the t box,
like everything else goes quiet and he's he's like just
completely engrossed and focused on the decision that needs to
be made. And I think you learn as a young coach.
I mean he's a little bit of a young coach still.
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You learn from these moments. And he's been very transparent
at the podium talking about it, and I think that's
what people love about him is he's very transparent.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
He owns up to his own mistakes. And like you.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Said, they are now the bully. They were the guys
that were getting picked on. They were swinging, you know,
taking a shot with house money sort of, and now
they need to play like one of the best teams
in all of football, which they are.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So Green Bay. The average age is twenty five years old.
They're like an old college team. And I watch him
last night and I just think that organization, you know,
I was saying this earlier, Matt. If Jordan Love would
have gone to half the league, they would have played
him first year, bad old line defensive coach. He's wrecked.
They have been so smart, even adding Josh Jacobs, They're like,
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we really like this kid, and he's got good young
tight end receiver. Let's give him a power running back.
So it didn't after throw thirty five times. I love
how Green Bay develops quarterbacks. But I look at this
team and I think, just a bunch of kids. They're
twenty five years old. Go to your playoff experience? Is
that youth a liability when playoffs starting a month?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
No, not if you're completely naive and you have no
idea like how much pressure is really on you? And
I think that's the great thing about that team. And
you've seen it in other teams. I remember Tom Brady's
first year when he won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I don't think he really knew.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I remember, you know, in my first you know times
in the in the playoffs, like I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
But that was the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
You're just out there like you were as a kid,
cutting it loose, having fun. And I would say Matt
Lafleur does not get enough credit for what he is
as a football coach.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
He just kind of gets glossed over. He's like, oh, yeah,
he's a Sean mcvaig guy, you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Like, no, no, he is a legitimate, legitimate head football
coach both sides of the ball. He's done a great
job bringing in Jeff Affley to run the defense. They've been,
you know, really honestly, they've been the unsung team this season.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Like we even just talk about their division.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We talk about Detroit, we talk about Minnesota, and this
is a team that's done it. You know, we talk
about Detroit being banged up. Now Green Bay was banged up.
Now they're getting healthy. I think they're a dangerous team
coming into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So as I watched the Bills, first of all, I
said this earlier. I always thought John Elway was the
most talented quarterback I'd ever seen. Showing my age, but
I thought that's I mean, he could have played major
league baseball. And then and then you watch Farv and
then you watch Mahomes And I'm not talking just trophies.
I'm talking like Bill Russell's got eleven rings, Michael's got six.
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I thought Michael was more talented. It's not just trophies.
Marino never won one. He was brilliant. But I watched
Josh Allen. He makes Elway look lumbering and small like
I I've never seen anything like him. As a former
quarterback eighteen years you know you were in rooms with
guys like Farv. How would you coach Josh? I mean
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you don't want to not ask him to do whatever
he does. I wonder if it's almost harder to coach
a guy that's as like good as Tiger and his
primary Tawny, how would you coach him?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, no, it's it's harder than people realize.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I remember my rookie year watching Andy Reid try to
coach Brett fav You want to keep the amazing, the
other worldly, but at the same time you want to
protect him and his body and obviously that football I
saw with Andrew Luck when he was getting coached, and
you know he's putting himself in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's like also likes a curse and a blessing, being
as big and as physical and as fearless as he is.
But when you can get it right, and I believe
they've got it right, They've got designed runs late in
the game when you need it. They don't do it early,
they do it more late. They do it when they've
kind of warn you down and they know exactly what
you're doing. They're smart with him. He's being smart with
the football. That's why everybody this week will be talking
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about him being the NFL NFL's MVP. It's I mean,
if you were voting today, if you had to decide today,
he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
That doesn't mean he's gonna win it, and that doesn't
mean that they're going to hoist the Lombardy. But if
you're a Bills fan and you ever thought, hey, this
is the year that our quarterback wins MVP, and this
is the year that the Bills finally, you know, hoist
that Lombardy like you're probably right, this is like your
best chance right now. And I think one of the
coolest things for them giving them confidence. People think of
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them as just like I don't know, cold weather team.
They've shown that they can be lights out, maybe not
even maybe even better in a dome. And guess what
if you think those players aren't talking about the fact
that the Super Bowls and a dome, this this year,
I promise you. Quietly, they're whispering that to each other
on the flight.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Home, So I want you to when I watched Philadelphia
just sort of take advantage of Pittsburgh. I mean, obviously
TJ watch remarkable, but it looked easier than it should
And I mean, you got nineteen catches between DeVante Smith
and A. J. Brown, and Pittsburgh knew that was coming
with all the talk about AJ they knew it was coming.
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Is it scheme? It looked so easy? Is it the
movement of hurts? And I'm past questioning, Siriani, But as
I watched that game, I thought it shouldn't be quite
this easy. Is there a scheme? Is it? What makes
it look? Is it hurts? Is it play calling?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It certainly helps when Pittsburgh offense. Pittsburgh's offense doesn't play well.
They turned the ball over, they really weren't explosive, so
you're getting more opportunities. And I really thought, like, exactly
like you said, they said, hey, come out and beat
us in the passing game. We're gonna stop Saquon. First,
you saw the RPO for the touchdown, and then like
we've talked about it for you know, the whole season.
Philly has the weapons, They are capable, Their quarterback is capable.
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People are jumping on him because he's been a little
bit of a wait and see thrower, like I'm gonna
wait and see until it's open, then I'm gonna throw it,
and less of an anticipator the way you see guys
like Tua Tongue Bailoa and so I just think this
is still a young quarterback who's who's maturing. He's talking
about you gotta water the grass. If you want the
grass to look green, you gotta you you know, you
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have success in what you work on.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Sure, I'll buy that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I just I really think, and I've said it all year,
I think Philly is one of the best teams in football.
People are quick to jump on board the Boo Birds
in Philly because they're out quick in Philly. I mean,
this is the fan base that Boo's Santa Claus. I mean,
you know, and everybody loves Santa Claus. So I really
think this is one of the best teams in football.
Their biggest issue is going to be, like we've seen,
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sticking together and you know, keeping that humble mindset that
beginner's mindset and staying focus week week to week.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So it's interesting bo Nicks really struggled in the first half,
and yet you know, Sean Payton and coaches kind of
tell me what they think of their quarterback by the
plays they call, so he didn't put bubble wrap on him.
They went out in the second half. They were out
played in the first. They were aggressive, and it was
interesting because Bow had a really I mean, he was
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overshooting everybody. He had a rough first half. He it
was rough, and I thought, oh, this could go sideways,
and then the second half, I'm like, yeah, this is
just one of those games. So I want you to
go back to early in your career. I think it's
it's easy to let a first half dragged the second emotionally,
and yet Sean Payton's like, nope, just go make plays.
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And I think that's hard for a coach if you
weren't as confident as Sean Payton to say, no, we're
gonna throw the ball down the field. They should have
lost that game. Jonathan Taylor did him a favor. They
were totally outplayed, out schemed in the first half, and
yet they won a little on Bonecks Peyton, but a
little on your career. Is it hard after a rough
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first half to go, yeah, I'm just gonna forget it amnesia.
Is that harder than we think?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's a sign of a good team that you can
win a game when your quarterback doesn't play well. But
just speaking about Sean Payton, sure, I can remember at
halftime early in my career, I wasn't playing well well.
Mike Holngrin, the head coach, would come into the locker room,
and instead of berating me because I was the one
not playing well in the first half, he would rip
the defense who was playing well. He would rip the
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special teams, and he would say it in a way
he'd be like defense leaders, special teams. I got a
young quarterback, like I'm counting on you, not him, I'm
counting on.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You to step up.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And it was almost like, oh crap, like he's it's
actually worse than if he was ripping it.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I feel like, hey man, you better get your act together.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And I think even just like for the offensive line
and the skill guys, they're saying like, hey man, we
got to pick our young quarterback up, like we got
to give him opportunities. And I know, the stats weren't great,
so people are going to pile on Bonnicks and know
the turnovers, but he had some great plays that brought
him back into that game. Also, yes, was he aided
by the fact that the defense scored, the special teams
came up huge.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Yeah, and that's part of it. That's part of football.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
But I do think that this can give you confidence,
almost like a blessing in disguise that says, hey.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Like, we're not about guy.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And everybody on that team's been on a team where
the quarterback got all the credit and it's like, oh,
it's just because of the quarterback, and they knew the
truth that this is a football team. It's eleven guys
at a time, and it's way more than that to
go into the success. And so when you have a
team that's more about the collection the some of all
the parts instead of just one guy who gets to
talk at the podium after the game, I think there's
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something special there. And in Denver's building it, they've got
a foundation and just much like Mike Hongrin did for
us in Seattle, you can tell that Sean Payton's done
that quickly in Denver.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Finally, Mahomes gets pretzold in this football game. Obviously, this
is a sport of attrition. He'll want to be out there.
If I'm Kansas City, I'm like, I'm not gonna play
them against Houston. If Carson Wentz wins, I'm not gonna
pla him against Pittsburgh. That's easy for me to say,
even as a veteran quarterback, Matt would two or three
weeks off late in the season. Would it throw off
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your timing? Because Xavier Worthy is a young kid at received,
their timing is still building. Noah Gray is still a
young tied end, and I think to myself, I think
Andy would sit him and Mahomes would fight like hell
to get back on. But I do wonder because their
receiving corps is so young, if it could be a
punitive decision to sit him for two to three weeks.
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It'd be different if I had Mike Evans and I'd
been throwing to him for four years. How would you
manage Mahomes now with the injury.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, I'm not worried about the timing. That gets overblown
for sure, no doubt about that. I'll just say that
Andy Reid has dealt with this before he dealt with
it with Brett farre he dealt with it with Donovan McNabb.
I'm sure he's dealt with it with Patrick Mahomes, But really,
what you do is you go to a guy like
Patrick and you say, Okay, if you want to play,
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I will let you play. But the ball has to
come out on time. You have to throw with rhythm,
No worthy birds, no jump passes, none of that stuff.
Because he's going to want to play. And I hear
everyone talking about all just sit him and all that
kind of stuff. That's fine in theory, but more of
what it means to be a franchise quarterback, and especially
for a guy like Patrick Mahomes, is you're sending a
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message to your team about mental and physical toughness and
whether he should say he probably should sit if we're
being real, But knowing who he is and the competitor
that he is, just watching him through the years, he
wants to be the guy that says, without saying a word,
hey guys, I know we're all banged up. I know
you're banged up. I know you're banged up. I'm banged up. Like,
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let's rise above it. It's not about what I can't do.
Maybe I can't run for fifteen yards, but it's about
what I can do. I can play like I'm forty
years old from the pocket and slice and dice whoever
we're playing, I can do that. And so you know
this game on Christmas that's coming up, we got a
Saturday game, like you know, like are the weeks that
are coming up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
He's gonna want to be out there.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
So I think if you're the coach, you just got
to basically say to him, Okay, you want to go
out there and be John Wayne, I'll let you do it.
But the second I see you taking unnecessary hits, you're
coming out on the sideline, and I think that's how
they'll approach that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, you give us such great insight. That is such
a great answer to a question. I didn't see it coming.
Matt Hasselback. Look at that trophy room behind you that
I gotta be a all the years I've been doing this,
look at that what's your favorite one?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Honestly, man, Like none of it matters really, it's kind
of the journey. I guess maybe this one over here,
over this over here, these are like these are my
girls national championship trophies over there. So if your kids
ever have something, it means more to you than anything
that you ever did. But we got some good junk,
I'll say that, but it's it's more about the journey
and the memories and the teammates and the coaches and
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all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Good answer, Dad, that's a good answer right there. Matt hasselback.
Good seeing you again, Maddy always see man. Yeah, boy,
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Speaker 1 (22:07):
So much going on. Mark Sanchez stops by next hour.
J Mack, you've been on a little bit of a
heater with your picks. You had the guts to pick
Baltimore over the Giants. Very admirable. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Seventy boys favorite covering with these Let's get started. This
story is troubling and I have a big change in
my stance on this gentleman brock Purty. We know he's
eligible for a contract extension, and despite what some people say,
he's definitely getting one. However, according to Tom Pelasaro, brock
Perdy expects to reset the quarterback market and become the
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highest paid player in the NFL, surpassing Dak Prescott's sixty
million per year average.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm gonna take a deep breath before I say much more.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
However, Palasarrow, and you know he's getting this fed from
an agent, right, The agents feed the media. The media
puts out their message. You're right, Palasarrow adds. Perty already
has four playoff wins, equaling Dak and Lamar combined. They
are the last two quarterbacks to reset the market number
two years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, Lamar before the Jets got.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So Basically, hay Niners make the same mistake Dallas did
and don't contextualize success. There's no way I'm paying him
fifty million, forget sixty Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I'm with you on that one. There's no way I listen,
I can ride with brock Perty. I think he's a
really good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
The last two years, not this year, but the last
two years he was an extraordinary top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You can't pay him sixty millier or anything close.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay. I watched him this year against the Packers the
Rams Buffalo. He is a met Come I mean, give
me a break.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Give your guys.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Would we talk about that time out Matt Stafford second
half against Perdy. If you'd just flip those quarterbacks, you
would have had a different outcomes.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
It's the Thursday night game where Stafford had one pass
completetion to Puka, a big one.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, your guy had Your guy had one big completion.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Was the Stafford looked earlier in the season without his
full complement of Kyrine and Fuller complete and he had
nobody here, nobody Rock pretty easy he has.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Any this thing. Oh my god, it's like flag football
out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All right, you get in your shots. It's fine.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Pretty has not been amazing. He was the last two
years he was. He was great in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They should have won that game.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, come on.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So this is where it gets interesting, Colin. Let's be real.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
If the Niners said, Brock, we're we're not doing it,
We'll let you hit the market. Who is paying him
anywhere near fifty million? No, exactly, And that's why the
forty nineers do not have to do this. Also, remember
talking about literally nobody's paying it. My buddy John Hobblcoff
said it. The Niners didn't budge with Trent Williams. They
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let him sit. I mean the Niners play hardball with Ayuk.
With Trent Williams, this is not an organization. It's like, well,
here you go.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
No, they're not gonna betterr.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Siners are good negotiators on this. In fact, I I
we now kind of thought they should have let you go.
And he came back after the hole that was never
the same player. I just think if this is if
you think you're there is no GM in this league
that's paying him fifty five mins. It's best.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think he gets a Brock, sorry, not a bro
Am Joe Baker Mayfield type.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Con take Baker over Brock pretty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, at thirty mili is a Baker's getting thirty.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Baker's a better Baker's more talented by far than Brock Purty.
I will go, I will die on that hill. Let's
do that. What's that game we always play?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I don't are you sure how many teams has Baker
been on before this year?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, that's funny, but years and he keeps leaving them
to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Cleveland, Yeah, what happened to Carolina with the mighty Joe Brady,
who's the amazing Now.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
By the way, nobody wins in Carolina. Hell Cam struggle
to win in Carolina. Baker's averaging thirty three million a season.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That's say, that's a damn good contract.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And if I'm if I'm the bakery, Baker is the
steel in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Right now, I say, Brock, we'll give you thirty five.
Baker got thirty three. We think you're better than him.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Here's thirty five. Take it or leave it. I mean,
Daniel Jones got forty. And this has been a total.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Trade wreck for the time. I don't think an organization
should ever have like Cleveland guaranteed Deshaan Watson's deal.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
They were desperate, they were they can't they never win.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Is not desperate. I'll tell you a narth thing. If
if Purty and his agent play hardball, also get Sam
Darnold for two.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
No, No, Sam dart Well, I'm waiting. What do you think,
Sam Darnald?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You think he's gonna take I think he's worth a
Daniel Jones deal forty. I would have no. If I
had to redo Baker today, I'd give him forty. I
think Sam's worth forty. I think Party's worth about well.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That's the reason Baker got thirty three MILLI year because
he had bounced around the league. He was on the
RAM for eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, but none of us. You didn't. I didn't have
problem with that. We both said campus and signing for three.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Because he was desperate and rock rock perties. I don't
think he's desperate yet.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Listen, I'm not rooting against brock perty, but if you're
backing me into a corner on sixty.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Large that that's still all past Seattle. He's an upgrade
from Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's obviously, yes, I think he is. I think he is.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
That's from his think that that's he's definitely upgrade all
those days in the division.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Next up is Stephen Jones of the Cowboys discussed how
tight things will be for the Cowboys heading in the
next season.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I think he meant financially. He also added the team was.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
All in on Dak and Ceedee Lamb, but after that
you still have to shape things, including Micah, which got
the rumor mill going. Colin Well Michael responded to the
potential of a trade.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I understand how that business side goes. These are no
hard feelings in his business, you know. But I'm here
anywhere else. You know, Obviously I say how I wanted
to be here, but you know, at the end of
the day, I understand the business side, and you know,
I put in a lot of work. I play hard too,
So obviously, you know, agrease to those type of things
that happens like that. But you know, I'm just happy
to be here, and I'm gonna just keep playing horror
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while I'm here, and if I'm here for next five
six years, I'm gonna keep playing hard then too.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I like Micah I I and I've said this before,
I would trade him because, first of all, he plays
an important position. If you're gonna pay Dak sixty, you
have got to I would get a second first round pick.
I would draft the Boise State running back, and I
would if I could.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What about Rico Dowdell.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
He's showing well, Dallas, he's a nice too. You can
if you're gonna pay Dak all that money, you got
to get that running back room upgraded. I would. I
would trade Micah for a first and it'll be a
lower first because it'll probably be a good team that
thinks they can he can elevate them to a super
Bowl level. But I would get a second first. I
think the Cowboys have to upgrade outside of C. D. Lamb.
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They gotta go get active.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Line is really bad, color, really bad.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well go there's a lot of tackles that are available.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't think they can. They can go Gent the
draft they need it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
No, I think they could go gent and an offensive tackle.
I think they need to first rounds.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
So MICHAEH.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Parsons, who H.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like him.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
We both said you should we should move off in
last year.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I like him a lot. But I'm paying CD
and DAK in an offensive league now that I'm paying
I wouldn't pay Dak that, but now I'm paying DAK
and CD's in. Now you're forcing me because you they
can't manage the CAF as well as Philly. Now you're
forcing me to make choices. I would move Micah.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Well, Micah is starting to stack some numbers here against
bad teams. UH one and a half sacks against the Giants,
UH to yesterday against the Panthers, you know, the Eastern
two against Washington. He's starting to play better. Yeah, maybe
his value goes up and you can move him. Maybe
like fourteen sacks this year, that'd be great. Yeah, but
I know Dallas fans, he's probably their most popular guy.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, I think CD is popular. He's an offensive player.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Micah has the podcast, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And Micah No. I mean, listen, I can like a
player and want to trade him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I like Micah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I'm a big fan of Michah Parsons podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, for more content for the guy.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
The final story is Bill Belichick shocking the football world
taking the un and see job after I don't know
if that's sorry for a long time coaching in the NFL.
Belichick is now moving to college football, and Tom Brady,
his former quarterback, discussed his initial reaction to the news
during yesterday's Eagles Steelers game on Fox.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Kind of blew me away when I heard the news.
I didn't think that was an opportunity he was looking at.
But they're getting a obviously tremendous coach. Those guys are
gonna play very hard. He's going to coach him well,
and it's a great benefit for all those players who
are going to that program because they're getting the best
coach that this pro NFL has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Now he's at a college level.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Best coach the NFL has ever seen, Colin. Did you
hear that from the Goats Tom.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Brady, Well, he's the best defensive coach ever.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh, stop it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I just think fit is important, and we always say, well,
college guys can't work in the pros. I don't know,
Pete Carroll's pretty successful, Jimmy Johnson. Sometimes pro guys don't
work in college, and I Belichick is the most pro pro.
Bill Parcells is not a college guy. He just too
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rough around the edges to me. And I love Bill Parcells,
but he's not a college guy. Mike Shanahan's not a
college guy. The Shanahan's are, they're pro coaches. Mike Comlin's
not a college guy. I don't want to deal with
that nonsense. Belichick is gonna build a pro culture and
a pro staff. And let me tell you, some athletic
departments are thin skinned and high maintenance and needy, and
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Belichick's gonna bulldoze his way.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Maybe he's turning over a new leaf. Got the young girlfriend.
He's moving down to North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Was that James Taylor song? Carolina on my mind? It's weird. Listen.
I know you're big into recruiting. I actually spent some
time this weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I was in Vegas just checking out the Carolina recruiting
scene online.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, they locked up a good quarterback. I'm like, I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Of all in.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I did not like Belichick the Papriots. I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Man.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, I'm a rea and I don't know if you
followed it, but every time I opened social media there
was all this pearl clutching over the weekend from the
college football reporters.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Oh, this TRENDSF portal is and it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Noh, this is so please.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You gotta be watching the games next weekend. Notre Dame, Indiana,
Ohio State, Tennessee. It's gonna double bull ratings. I don't
want to hear. Listen, Nil's imperfect. Transfer portal is imperfect,
but they are fun. It's fun. And remember, even on
the transfer portal heavy teams, it's only like thirty five
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percent of the roster people are still recruiting high school.
You think the whole system is corrupted. Oh, Hi, USC
still recruits twenty high school players a year, and they
bring ten portal guys by the.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Way is USC going to the pop toats? What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The pop tart some bowlt bank.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's an exhibition game.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I care about the playoff games. I'm so fired up
for this weekend. I saw some betting trends on Tennessee
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What is it?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
What is the public loves Tennise. I don't blame them.
What's the It's just a reaction to that Michigan.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
No Tennessee d line and Ohio State online worries me.
I think the line's out of whack. It should be
like a field goal four point Ohio.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
State teaser kind of weekend college teams that down right
to one or two.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
All the games are right around seven or eight. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I'm just fired up to the plass. J mckle the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
We talked about something a month ago, Carson Palmer talked
about it Friday, and oh boy, did we see it yesterday.
We'll talk about that coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
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Speaker 3 (33:48):
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Speaker 6 (33:51):
Catch the next chapter in a bare historic rivalry as
Russell Wilson and the Steelers take on Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens' off Saturday at for Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Is that crazy? I get Steelers, Ravens. I'm gonna get
Ohio State and Tennessee. The games this weekend are and
crazy Fridays Notre Dame, Indiana, right, and then Saturday we
get all these college games.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I got to steal the family calendar and say Saturday's
off limits. Oh geez, do we college football and NFL two?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Oh boy, I'd argue Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
What did the wife say about that one? Is she
good with that?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Go ahead and say she's not listening.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And is fine with that decision. So I talked about
it two months ago. I said, Joe Burrow is looking
around this league, at the financial commitment of Baltimore and
Kansas City and the aggressive front offices of Philadelphia and
Detroit and Buffalo. And Joe Burrow's looking around and he's
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got mister penny pinching, and he is just in no mood.
He's had bad body language for a month, and we
love Burrow. Yesterday on camera he is dog coussin Zach
Taylor that had fourteen penalties. You know, he's setting all
sorts of record. But the video we have it's pretty
clear it's not the first time he's in no mood
for this organization. And again, once you pay a quarterback
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big money, you have to get shrewd, manipulative and clever
in the front office. And that's not Cincinnati. The Brown
family has a smaller front office. They are not aggressive
in the drafts. They're the anti Philadelphia, They're the anti
Howie Roseman. And you're watching him upset. We've seen it
all year. So here first of all, here is Burrow
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after his outburst, which I got no problem with. Here's Joe.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We know the chances they're very slim.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
What I'm focused on right now is playing as good
as we can play, myself, playing up to my standard.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
That's why I was so frustrated because I didn't feel
like we did that. So t Higgins, they're not gonna
pay him. They haven't paid Jamar Chase yet. They will
Ed Rusher wants a new deal. Good luck with that.
He's outstanding, by the way, so they've got a star quarterback,
a star weapon, a star egg rusher. They have components.
This is a northern facility. They don't have an outdoor
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indoor practice facility. I don't think they still have that.
Oh they have one now. They waited forever, like it
was the Brown family waited forever to build one. Finally
they were guilted into it, like there were high schools
in the area that had one and the pro football
team didn't have one. Now and I just think this
is I just think Joe Burrow is looking around as
a great athlete and he's looking around and looking at
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all these other great quarterbacks and going, these guys are
I mean, Philadelphia just adding players, add in players. And
you can say what you want about Stefan Diggs to
the Bills, but they're adding players and they're paying for
And you go look at Kansas City this year, they
go out and get a left tackle on the market.
The best teams are always taking swings and have a
certain standard. And Arson Palmer, remember he left Cincinnati. We
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had t J. Huschmansano on this show that said when
he became a Raven after Cincinnati, it felt like finally
I'm a pro football player. Here was Carson Palmer Friday
on the show.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Production on the field is second to none. I just
see a frustration on his face, and that's what concerns me.
You know, it looks to be building, It looks to
be waiting and weighing on him. So that I think
the thing that jumps out of me is is you
can see the frustration on his face.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
It's tough to.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Put up the numbers he's put up, to score the
points they put up and be in the situation there
in which is on the outside looking in. Their playoffs
shot this year, unfortunately, looks to be slim to none,
and you've got to start thinking about next year. But
I'm starting to see some frustration grow on Joe's face,
and that's concerning.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, and again they had fourteen penalties. I'm not going
you can do the lip reading here. So he's said
blank that basically Zacs trying to say, hey, we won,
things are good, and he's like, no, we played like
garbage procedural penalties. So I'm gonna defend Joe Burrow here
because a lot of times you think pro athletes, you know,
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they're sitting there looking at what they make but Burrow's
standards are winning games and playing at a high level.
And again, once you pay the quarterback, that's when general
managers like Brett Veach in Kansas City or Howie Roseman
or a less snead, once you pay the quarterback, okay,
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it's hard to find them. And once you get them, okay,
you get that three or four years when you add
good players to the roster because you're not paying the quarterback.
Then you pay the star quarterback. That's when it gets
really really hard for a GM. Philadelphia makes it work.
I mean, look at Dallas now, they're going on year two.
We don't got any money. Okay. So I look at
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Joe Burrow as a kid that is a sensational talent,
and I think his frustration is completely warranted by the
way we had Matt hasselback on earlier we were talking
about this is that now Green Bay is not a
franchise that goes big game hunting most of the time
in free agency. That's not what they do. That doesn't
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mean they won't go out and get a safety from
the Giants or a running back from the Raiders. They'll
do their diligence. But what I love about Green Bay
is I believe that Jordan Love was not ready to
play out of Utah State. He was a prospect, and
I think half the teams in this league would have
forced him to play behind a bad old line, a
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defensive coach, and so so much of a young person's life.
It can be a young attorney, a young intern in
any industry, do you have the right set of people
around you? And I'm watching Jordan Love and they've added
Josh Jacobs, and this team is really they have really
figured out how to use the quarterback and how to
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grow the quarterback. And I mean last night in Seattle,
those first two drives, they just took the crowd out
of it. Eight o'clock, ten or eleven minutes to lapses,
and you're like, they've taken the crowd out of the game.
And Hereris Hasselback earlier this hour on why he loves
the Packers in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Now, Lafley does not get enough credit for what he
is as a football coach. He just kind of gets
glossed over. He's like, oh, yeah, he's a Sean McVay guy,
you know, like whatever, Like, no, no, he is a legitimate, legitimate.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Head football coach both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
He's done a great job bringing in Jeff Afflee to
run the defense. They've been, you know, really honestly, they've
been the unsung team this season. Like when we even
just talk about their division, we talk about Detroit, we
talk about Minnesota, and this is a team.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That's done it.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
You know, we talk about Detroit being banged up. Now
green Bay was banged up. Now they're getting healthy.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yep. I think they're a dangerous team coming into the playoffs. Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Green Bay and the Rams beat up early, a little
off their mark, both playing great football. Rams in the
NFC West, Packers in the NFC North. And I'll tell
you top to bottom right now, AFC may be better
at the top. NFC's better depth than the AFC right now.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go, hour two. It is a Monday. Love
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Now it's camping and it's camping, hiking and camping. I
just love everything there.
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They're outdoors.
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Tomaw Uh, Well, my son likes hiking and doing stuff,
so he's going up to BC at the start of
the year. So he's gonna go hiking and he loves
all that stuff, all right, Jay Mac Matt hasselback mark
Sanches Today. We do it every Monday, at this time.
Where Colin was right, where Colin was wrong. There's plenty
of both. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I warned you last week on Dan Campbell he doesn't
trust his defense, so now he's going hyper reckless. I
really do like the man, but I think they're no
longer the hunted. They're the hunter. And I think it's
very hard to win a Super Bowl when you're reckless.
Now again defensively, I don't know. Maybe he feels like
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they have to take these big swings and I don't
think they were going to win the game anyway. But
I said it last week and I'll say it again.
Reckless teams don't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Well, on November eighteenth, when the Cowboys lost to the Texans,
I said they're in the middle of a soft tank. Well,
they've won three or four. Mike is playing great Ceedee
Lamb back to back touchdowns. Say what you want about
Cooper Rush. He moves the chains. So Mike McCarthy, there's
you know we've been saying this now. Mike McCarthy's a
good coach. I think he's gonna retain his job because
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he's winning these games and the team hasn't quit. You
look at the New York Giants, and you wonder if
the team has quit. You watch the Cowboys. I don't
see it. McCarthy's probably coming back.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
When Baker signed that deal with Tampa, I said, I
would have no problem signing him. He's a good fit,
he's got the grit, he's got a chip on his shoulder,
and I think he's a really good leader. They now
lead the NFC South. He and Mike Evans totally in unison.
I think it is price point. He's actually a bargain.
I was blown away yesterday. The Chargers had the number
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one defense in the league and they dropped a forty
burger and they totally controlled this game. So I think
a lot for quarterbacks outside of the all time greats
is fit. Sam Darnold now has a good fit. Baker
chipping his shoulder, Tampa is a great fit.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Uh yeah, I never thought i'd see Bill Belichick take
the third to fourth best coaching job in the ACC.
I admit I see him as a pro coach. I
don't know if he and Mike Lombardi and mostly a
pro staff are going to feel collegiate. I said, I
feel like it's going to be a quicker, more rigid
version of Charlie Weiss, a pro guy who tried to
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make college work. He says, you know, I always thought
about coaching college. I think this, in my opinion, is
more about the NFL turning their nose up in the
air at Bill Belichick and not wanting his rigidity and
personnel control. But I'll admit watching him in Carolina Blue,
it's a bit of a shocker for me. Where Colin
(03:47):
was right. I picked the Rams to win the division
before the season started. Matt Stafford zero pick in five weeks.
They now officially lead the division. They started one and four,
they were all beat up from the on line and
wide receiver. They are seven and two since just like
last year when they got healthy, they finished strong last year.
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Right now, Cooper Cup's healthy, Puka Nakua, their offensive line,
Havenstein's backup. This is a very, very good team. I
do feel like they're a draft away from hoisting another trophy.
But this is a team I thought would win this division.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
In the last nine games, Lebron is shooting twenty five
percent from three and forty five percent on field goals.
I had said earlier this season, I still considered him
a top ten player, and I defended him like mid November.
He's not. He disappeared. His turnovers are up, his shooting
is down. He has lost his legs. Listen, I'm not
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this should have happened five years ago. I'm shocked it
took this long, but that absence for whatever reasons. Speculate
all you want. He looked out of gas. And the
first thing in an athlete loses is the legs. Fifty
year old quarterback can still grab a football and sling it,
and Steph Curry will be able to shoot when he's seventy,
but it's the legs, and Lebron is not a top
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ten player. Where Colin was right, I don't get the
brock perty for sixty million dollars discussion. Well, what do
you know? They pulled San Francisco fans and forty percent
believe brock Purty should get in the twenty to thirty
million dollar range. So at least I agree with the Niners.
Listen to the four biggest games this year. One he
was hurt, and the three others he was easily the
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second best quarterback in the field. I like him. He
struggles in wet weather. I don't think he's a guy
that can elevate average players. I think he is a
quarterback that can manage great players. I would pay him.
I think he's a franchise guy. He started talking fifty
five to sixty million. We're talking Lamar, We're talking Mahomes,
Alan Stafford. I don't think that's for brock perty and
(05:53):
now Niner fans agree.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Where Colin was raw well, I.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Didn't think Devonte Adams was going to for the pack
for the Jets. I felt like he bounced around. Aaron
was shot. But I gotta be honest. Those two yesterday
were great. The last four minutes of the game. They
were historic. Statistically, Davante's had over three hundred yards in
the last two games. And I'm critical of Aaron Rodgers,
so I have to be fair. I think in the
(06:17):
last three to four weeks, Aaron has found his footing.
Davante Adams. Now Garrett Wilson from the reaction on the sideline,
may not love it, but I will tell you now,
between Garrett Wilson and Davonte Adams, Aaron has looked very comfortable.
I thought the season was over three four weeks ago.
They have played incredibly hard offensively, They've been very good
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late in games. I's wrong on that. I thought they
were done. Nope, they still got some life where Colin
was right, where Colin was wrong, and with that eighteen
years in the league. I love our Monday Show and
Matt Hasselbeck stops on end, the three time pro bowler.
So I'm watching the Lions fall apart, and I know
Dan animalst kind of his DNA is he is a
(07:02):
go He's an alpha. He gonna take some shots kinda.
But I wonder now if he's being I view him
as reckless because he just doesn't trust the defense. And
I do think sometimes coaches go, we can't stop anybody.
Do you think it's his DNA or do you think
now he's just lost trust in the defense. While he
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would call that onside kick.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
No, I don't think it has anything to do with
the defense. I just think it's his DNA. He's an
emotional guy, and it's part of what you love about him.
You know, sometimes former players, when they become coaches, they
have to learn how to like separate that. I'm getting
geeked up to go cover a kickoff mentality and have
to learn how to be calm and just sort of
be discerning. And while all the chaos is going on
(07:47):
around you, you're not the guy hyping everybody up. You're
the guy that's sitting back, almost like you know the
movie Bagger Vance when he steps up to the t box,
like everything else goes quiet and he's he's like just
completely engrossed and focused on the decision that needs to
be made. And I think you learn as a young coach.
I mean he's a little bit of a young coach still.
(08:08):
You learn from these moments. And he's been very transparent
at the podium talking about it, and I think that's
what people love about him is he's very transparent.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
He owns up to his own mistakes. And like you.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Said, they are now the bully. They were the guys
that were getting picked on. They were swinging, you know,
taking a shot with house money sort of, and now
they need to play like one of the best teams
in all of football, which they are.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So Green Bay. The average age is twenty five years old.
They're like an old college team. And I watch him
last night and I just think that organization, you know,
I was saying this earlier, Matt. If Jordan Love would
have gone to half the league, they would have played
him first year, bad old line defensive coach. He's wrecked.
They have been so smart, even adding Josh Jacobs, They're like,
(08:52):
we really like this kid, and he's got good young
tight end receiver. Let's give him a power running back.
So it didn't after throw thirty five times. I love
how Green Bay develops quarterbacks. But I look at this
team and I think, just a bunch of kids. They're
twenty five years old. Go to your playoff experience? Is
that youth a liability when playoffs starting a month?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
No, not if you're completely naive and you have no
idea like how much pressure is really on you? And
I think that's the great thing about that team. And
you've seen it in other teams. I remember Tom Brady's
first year when he won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I don't think he really knew.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I remember, you know, in my first you know times
in the in the playoffs, like I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
But that was the beauty of it.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
You're just out there like you were as a kid,
cutting it loose, having fun. And I would say Matt
Lafleur does not get enough credit for what he is
as a football coach.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
He just kind of gets glossed over. He's like, oh, yeah,
he's a Sean mcvaig guy, you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Like, no, no, he is a legitimate, legitimate head football
coach both sides of the ball. He's done a great
job bringing in Jeff Affley to run the defense. They've been,
you know, really honestly, they've been the unsung team this season.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Like we even just talk about their division.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We talk about Detroit, we talk about Minnesota, and this
is a team that's done it. You know, we talk
about Detroit being banged up. Now Green Bay was banged up.
Now they're getting healthy. I think they're a dangerous team
coming into the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
So as I watched the Bills, first of all, I
said this earlier. I always thought John Elway was the
most talented quarterback I'd ever seen. Showing my age, but
I thought that's I mean, he could have played major
league baseball. And then and then you watch Farv and
then you watch Mahomes And I'm not talking just trophies.
I'm talking like Bill Russell's got eleven rings, Michael's got six.
(10:36):
I thought Michael was more talented. It's not just trophies.
Marino never won one. He was brilliant. But I watched
Josh Allen. He makes Elway look lumbering and small like
I I've never seen anything like him. As a former
quarterback eighteen years you know you were in rooms with
guys like Farv. How would you coach Josh? I mean
(10:59):
you don't want to not ask him to do whatever
he does. I wonder if it's almost harder to coach
a guy that's as like good as Tiger and his
primary Tawny, how would you coach him?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Yeah, no, it's it's harder than people realize.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
I remember my rookie year watching Andy Reid try to
coach Brett fav You want to keep the amazing, the
other worldly, but at the same time you want to
protect him and his body and obviously that football I
saw with Andrew Luck when he was getting coached, and
you know he's putting himself in harm's way.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think it is.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
It's like also likes a curse and a blessing, being
as big and as physical and as fearless as he is.
But when you can get it right, and I believe
they've got it right, They've got designed runs late in
the game when you need it. They don't do it early,
they do it more late. They do it when they've
kind of warn you down and they know exactly what
you're doing. They're smart with him. He's being smart with
the football. That's why everybody this week will be talking
(11:52):
about him being the NFL NFL's MVP. It's I mean,
if you were voting today, if you had to decide today,
he's the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
That doesn't mean he's gonna win it, and that doesn't
mean that they're going to hoist the Lombardy. But if
you're a Bills fan and you ever thought, hey, this
is the year that our quarterback wins MVP, and this
is the year that the Bills finally, you know, hoist
that Lombardy like you're probably right, this is like your
best chance right now. And I think one of the
coolest things for them giving them confidence. People think of
(12:20):
them as just like I don't know, cold weather team.
They've shown that they can be lights out, maybe not
even maybe even better in a dome. And guess what
if you think those players aren't talking about the fact
that the Super Bowls and a dome, this this year,
I promise you. Quietly, they're whispering that to each other
on the flight.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Home, So I want you to when I watched Philadelphia
just sort of take advantage of Pittsburgh. I mean, obviously
TJ watch remarkable, but it looked easier than it should
And I mean, you got nineteen catches between DeVante Smith
and A. J. Brown, and Pittsburgh knew that was coming
with all the talk about AJ they knew it was coming.
(13:01):
Is it scheme? It looked so easy? Is it the
movement of hurts? And I'm past questioning, Siriani, But as
I watched that game, I thought it shouldn't be quite
this easy. Is there a scheme? Is it? What makes
it look? Is it hurts? Is it play calling?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (13:22):
It certainly helps when Pittsburgh offense. Pittsburgh's offense doesn't play well.
They turned the ball over, they really weren't explosive, so
you're getting more opportunities. And I really thought, like, exactly
like you said, they said, hey, come out and beat
us in the passing game. We're gonna stop Saquon. First,
you saw the RPO for the touchdown, and then like
we've talked about it for you know, the whole season.
Philly has the weapons, They are capable, Their quarterback is capable.
(13:45):
People are jumping on him because he's been a little
bit of a wait and see thrower, like I'm gonna
wait and see until it's open, then I'm gonna throw it,
and less of an anticipator the way you see guys
like Tua Tongue Bailoa and so I just think this
is still a young quarterback who's who's maturing. He's talking
about you gotta water the grass. If you want the
grass to look green, you gotta you you know, you
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have success in what you work on.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Sure, I'll buy that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I just I really think, and I've said it all year,
I think Philly is one of the best teams in football.
People are quick to jump on board the Boo Birds
in Philly because they're out quick in Philly. I mean,
this is the fan base that Boo's Santa Claus. I mean,
you know, and everybody loves Santa Claus. So I really
think this is one of the best teams in football.
Their biggest issue is going to be, like we've seen,
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sticking together and you know, keeping that humble mindset that
beginner's mindset and staying focus week week to week.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So it's interesting bo Nicks really struggled in the first half,
and yet you know, Sean Payton and coaches kind of
tell me what they think of their quarterback by the
plays they call, so he didn't put bubble wrap on him.
They went out in the second half. They were out
played in the first. They were aggressive, and it was
interesting because Bow had a really I mean, he was
(15:01):
overshooting everybody. He had a rough first half. He it
was rough, and I thought, oh, this could go sideways,
and then the second half, I'm like, yeah, this is
just one of those games. So I want you to
go back to early in your career. I think it's
it's easy to let a first half dragged the second emotionally,
and yet Sean Payton's like, nope, just go make plays.
(15:23):
And I think that's hard for a coach if you
weren't as confident as Sean Payton to say, no, we're
gonna throw the ball down the field. They should have
lost that game. Jonathan Taylor did him a favor. They
were totally outplayed, out schemed in the first half, and
yet they won a little on Bonecks Peyton, but a
little on your career. Is it hard after a rough
(15:43):
first half to go, yeah, I'm just gonna forget it amnesia.
Is that harder than we think?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
It's a sign of a good team that you can
win a game when your quarterback doesn't play well. But
just speaking about Sean Payton, sure, I can remember at
halftime early in my career, I wasn't playing well well.
Mike Holngrin, the head coach, would come into the locker room,
and instead of berating me because I was the one
not playing well in the first half, he would rip
the defense who was playing well. He would rip the
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special teams, and he would say it in a way
he'd be like defense leaders, special teams. I got a
young quarterback, like I'm counting on you, not him, I'm
counting on.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
You to step up.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
And it was almost like, oh crap, like he's it's
actually worse than if he was ripping it.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I feel like, hey man, you better get your act together.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
And I think even just like for the offensive line
and the skill guys, they're saying like, hey man, we
got to pick our young quarterback up, like we got
to give him opportunities. And I know, the stats weren't great,
so people are going to pile on Bonnicks and know
the turnovers, but he had some great plays that brought
him back into that game. Also, yes, was he aided
by the fact that the defense scored, the special teams
came up huge.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Yeah, and that's part of it. That's part of football.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
But I do think that this can give you confidence,
almost like a blessing in disguise that says, hey.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Like, we're not about guy.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
And everybody on that team's been on a team where
the quarterback got all the credit and it's like, oh,
it's just because of the quarterback, and they knew the
truth that this is a football team. It's eleven guys
at a time, and it's way more than that to
go into the success. And so when you have a
team that's more about the collection the some of all
the parts instead of just one guy who gets to
talk at the podium after the game, I think there's
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something special there. And in Denver's building it, they've got
a foundation and just much like Mike Hongrin did for
us in Seattle, you can tell that Sean Payton's done
that quickly in Denver.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Finally, Mahomes gets pretzold in this football game. Obviously, this
is a sport of attrition. He'll want to be out there.
If I'm Kansas City, I'm like, I'm not gonna play
them against Houston. If Carson Wentz wins, I'm not gonna
pla him against Pittsburgh. That's easy for me to say,
even as a veteran quarterback, Matt would two or three
weeks off late in the season. Would it throw off
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your timing? Because Xavier Worthy is a young kid at received,
their timing is still building. Noah Gray is still a
young tied end, and I think to myself, I think
Andy would sit him and Mahomes would fight like hell
to get back on. But I do wonder because their
receiving corps is so young, if it could be a
punitive decision to sit him for two to three weeks.
(18:20):
It'd be different if I had Mike Evans and I'd
been throwing to him for four years. How would you
manage Mahomes now with the injury.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Yeah, I'm not worried about the timing. That gets overblown
for sure, no doubt about that. I'll just say that
Andy Reid has dealt with this before he dealt with
it with Brett farre he dealt with it with Donovan McNabb.
I'm sure he's dealt with it with Patrick Mahomes, But really,
what you do is you go to a guy like
Patrick and you say, Okay, if you want to play,
(18:50):
I will let you play. But the ball has to
come out on time. You have to throw with rhythm,
No worthy birds, no jump passes, none of that stuff.
Because he's going to want to play. And I hear
everyone talking about all just sit him and all that
kind of stuff. That's fine in theory, but more of
what it means to be a franchise quarterback, and especially
for a guy like Patrick Mahomes, is you're sending a
(19:12):
message to your team about mental and physical toughness and
whether he should say he probably should sit if we're
being real, But knowing who he is and the competitor
that he is, just watching him through the years, he
wants to be the guy that says, without saying a word,
hey guys, I know we're all banged up. I know
you're banged up. I know you're banged up. I'm banged up. Like,
(19:34):
let's rise above it. It's not about what I can't do.
Maybe I can't run for fifteen yards, but it's about
what I can do. I can play like I'm forty
years old from the pocket and slice and dice whoever
we're playing, I can do that. And so you know
this game on Christmas that's coming up, we got a
Saturday game, like you know, like are the weeks that
are coming up.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
He's gonna want to be out there.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
So I think if you're the coach, you just got
to basically say to him, Okay, you want to go
out there and be John Wayne, I'll let you do it.
But the second I see you taking unnecessary hits, you're
coming out on the sideline, and I think that's how
they'll approach that.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, you give us such great insight. That is such
a great answer to a question. I didn't see it coming.
Matt Hasselback. Look at that trophy room behind you that
I gotta be a all the years I've been doing this,
look at that what's your favorite one?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Honestly, man, Like none of it matters really, it's kind
of the journey. I guess maybe this one over here,
over this over here, these are like these are my
girls national championship trophies over there. So if your kids
ever have something, it means more to you than anything
that you ever did. But we got some good junk,
I'll say that, but it's it's more about the journey
and the memories and the teammates and the coaches and
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all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Good answer, Dad, that's a good answer right there. Matt hasselback.
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Speaker 1 (22:07):
So much going on. Mark Sanchez stops by next hour.
J Mack, you've been on a little bit of a
heater with your picks. You had the guts to pick
Baltimore over the Giants. Very admirable. J Mack with the News.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Seventy boys favorite covering with these Let's get started. This
story is troubling and I have a big change in
my stance on this gentleman brock Purty. We know he's
eligible for a contract extension, and despite what some people say,
he's definitely getting one. However, according to Tom Pelasaro, brock
Perdy expects to reset the quarterback market and become the
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highest paid player in the NFL, surpassing Dak Prescott's sixty
million per year average.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I'm gonna take a deep breath before I say much more.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
However, Palasarrow, and you know he's getting this fed from
an agent, right, The agents feed the media. The media
puts out their message. You're right, Palasarrow adds. Perty already
has four playoff wins, equaling Dak and Lamar combined. They
are the last two quarterbacks to reset the market number
two years ago.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, Lamar before the Jets got.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So Basically, hay Niners make the same mistake Dallas did
and don't contextualize success. There's no way I'm paying him
fifty million, forget sixty Yep.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
I'm with you on that one. There's no way I listen,
I can ride with brock Perty. I think he's a
really good quarterback.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
The last two years, not this year, but the last
two years he was an extraordinary top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You can't pay him sixty millier or anything close.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay. I watched him this year against the Packers the
Rams Buffalo. He is a met Come I mean, give
me a break.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Give your guys.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Would we talk about that time out Matt Stafford second
half against Perdy. If you'd just flip those quarterbacks, you
would have had a different outcomes.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
It's the Thursday night game where Stafford had one pass
completetion to Puka, a big one.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, your guy had Your guy had one big completion.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
Was the Stafford looked earlier in the season without his
full complement of Kyrine and Fuller complete and he had
nobody here, nobody Rock pretty easy he has.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Any this thing. Oh my god, it's like flag football
out there.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
All right, you get in your shots. It's fine.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
Pretty has not been amazing. He was the last two
years he was. He was great in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
They should have won that game.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mean, come on.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So this is where it gets interesting, Colin. Let's be real.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
If the Niners said, Brock, we're we're not doing it,
We'll let you hit the market. Who is paying him
anywhere near fifty million? No, exactly, And that's why the
forty nineers do not have to do this. Also, remember
talking about literally nobody's paying it. My buddy John Hobblcoff
said it. The Niners didn't budge with Trent Williams. They
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let him sit. I mean the Niners play hardball with Ayuk.
With Trent Williams, this is not an organization. It's like, well,
here you go.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
No, they're not gonna betterr.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Siners are good negotiators on this. In fact, I I
we now kind of thought they should have let you go.
And he came back after the hole that was never
the same player. I just think if this is if
you think you're there is no GM in this league
that's paying him fifty five mins. It's best.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think he gets a Brock, sorry, not a bro
Am Joe Baker Mayfield type.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Con take Baker over Brock pretty tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, at thirty mili is a Baker's getting thirty.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Baker's a better Baker's more talented by far than Brock Purty.
I will go, I will die on that hill. Let's
do that. What's that game we always play?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I don't are you sure how many teams has Baker
been on before this year?
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, that's funny, but years and he keeps leaving them
to the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
Cleveland, Yeah, what happened to Carolina with the mighty Joe Brady,
who's the amazing Now.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
By the way, nobody wins in Carolina. Hell Cam struggle
to win in Carolina. Baker's averaging thirty three million a season.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
That's say, that's a damn good contract.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And if I'm if I'm the bakery, Baker is the
steel in the league.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Right now, I say, Brock, we'll give you thirty five.
Baker got thirty three. We think you're better than him.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Here's thirty five. Take it or leave it. I mean,
Daniel Jones got forty. And this has been a total.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Trade wreck for the time. I don't think an organization
should ever have like Cleveland guaranteed Deshaan Watson's deal.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
They were desperate, they were they can't they never win.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Is not desperate. I'll tell you a narth thing. If
if Purty and his agent play hardball, also get Sam
Darnold for two.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
No, No, Sam dart Well, I'm waiting. What do you think,
Sam Darnald?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You think he's gonna take I think he's worth a
Daniel Jones deal forty. I would have no. If I
had to redo Baker today, I'd give him forty. I
think Sam's worth forty. I think Party's worth about well.
Speaker 6 (26:52):
That's the reason Baker got thirty three MILLI year because
he had bounced around the league. He was on the
RAM for eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, but none of us. You didn't. I didn't have
problem with that. We both said campus and signing for three.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
Because he was desperate and rock rock perties. I don't
think he's desperate yet.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Listen, I'm not rooting against brock perty, but if you're
backing me into a corner on sixty.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Large that that's still all past Seattle. He's an upgrade
from Geno Smith.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
That's obviously, yes, I think he is. I think he is.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
That's from his think that that's he's definitely upgrade all
those days in the division.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I don't see that happening.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Next up is Stephen Jones of the Cowboys discussed how
tight things will be for the Cowboys heading in the
next season.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I think he meant financially. He also added the team was.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
All in on Dak and Ceedee Lamb, but after that
you still have to shape things, including Micah, which got
the rumor mill going. Colin Well Michael responded to the
potential of a trade.
Speaker 8 (27:46):
I understand how that business side goes. These are no
hard feelings in his business, you know. But I'm here
anywhere else. You know, Obviously I say how I wanted
to be here, but you know, at the end of
the day, I understand the business side, and you know,
I put in a lot of work. I play hard too,
So obviously, you know, agrease to those type of things
that happens like that. But you know, I'm just happy
to be here, and I'm gonna just keep playing horror
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while I'm here, and if I'm here for next five
six years, I'm gonna keep playing hard then too.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I like Micah I I and I've said this before,
I would trade him because, first of all, he plays
an important position. If you're gonna pay Dak sixty, you
have got to I would get a second first round pick.
I would draft the Boise State running back, and I
would if I could.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
What about Rico Dowdell.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
He's showing well, Dallas, he's a nice too. You can
if you're gonna pay Dak all that money, you got
to get that running back room upgraded. I would. I
would trade Micah for a first and it'll be a
lower first because it'll probably be a good team that
thinks they can he can elevate them to a super
Bowl level. But I would get a second first. I
think the Cowboys have to upgrade outside of C. D. Lamb.
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They gotta go get active.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Line is really bad, color, really bad.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well go there's a lot of tackles that are available.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't think they can. They can go Gent the
draft they need it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
No, I think they could go gent and an offensive tackle.
I think they need to first rounds.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
So MICHAEH.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Parsons, who H.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like him.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
We both said you should we should move off in
last year.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I like him a lot. But I'm paying CD
and DAK in an offensive league now that I'm paying
I wouldn't pay Dak that, but now I'm paying DAK
and CD's in. Now you're forcing me because you they
can't manage the CAF as well as Philly. Now you're
forcing me to make choices. I would move Micah.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Well, Micah is starting to stack some numbers here against
bad teams. UH one and a half sacks against the Giants,
UH to yesterday against the Panthers, you know, the Eastern
two against Washington. He's starting to play better. Yeah, maybe
his value goes up and you can move him. Maybe
like fourteen sacks this year, that'd be great. Yeah, but
I know Dallas fans, he's probably their most popular guy.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
No, I think CD is popular. He's an offensive player.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Micah has the podcast, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
And Micah No. I mean, listen, I can like a
player and want to trade him.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I like Micah.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I'm a big fan of Michah Parsons podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, for more content for the guy.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
The final story is Bill Belichick shocking the football world
taking the un and see job after I don't know
if that's sorry for a long time coaching in the NFL.
Belichick is now moving to college football, and Tom Brady,
his former quarterback, discussed his initial reaction to the news
during yesterday's Eagles Steelers game on Fox.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
Kind of blew me away when I heard the news.
I didn't think that was an opportunity he was looking at.
But they're getting a obviously tremendous coach. Those guys are
gonna play very hard. He's going to coach him well,
and it's a great benefit for all those players who
are going to that program because they're getting the best
coach that this pro NFL has ever seen.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Now he's at a college level.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Best coach the NFL has ever seen, Colin. Did you
hear that from the Goats Tom.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Brady, Well, he's the best defensive coach ever.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh, stop it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I just think fit is important, and we always say, well,
college guys can't work in the pros. I don't know,
Pete Carroll's pretty successful, Jimmy Johnson. Sometimes pro guys don't
work in college, and I Belichick is the most pro pro.
Bill Parcells is not a college guy. He just too
(31:10):
rough around the edges to me. And I love Bill Parcells,
but he's not a college guy. Mike Shanahan's not a
college guy. The Shanahan's are, they're pro coaches. Mike Comlin's
not a college guy. I don't want to deal with
that nonsense. Belichick is gonna build a pro culture and
a pro staff. And let me tell you, some athletic
departments are thin skinned and high maintenance and needy, and
(31:32):
Belichick's gonna bulldoze his way.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Maybe he's turning over a new leaf. Got the young girlfriend.
He's moving down to North Carolina?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Was that James Taylor song? Carolina on my mind? It's weird. Listen.
I know you're big into recruiting. I actually spent some
time this weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I was in Vegas just checking out the Carolina recruiting
scene online.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, they locked up a good quarterback. I'm like, I'm kind.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Of all in.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
I did not like Belichick the Papriots. I'm rooting for him.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Man.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Well, I'm a rea and I don't know if you
followed it, but every time I opened social media there
was all this pearl clutching over the weekend from the
college football reporters.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Oh, this TRENDSF portal is and it's so bad.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Noh, this is so please.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You gotta be watching the games next weekend. Notre Dame, Indiana,
Ohio State, Tennessee. It's gonna double bull ratings. I don't
want to hear. Listen, Nil's imperfect. Transfer portal is imperfect,
but they are fun. It's fun. And remember, even on
the transfer portal heavy teams, it's only like thirty five
(32:32):
percent of the roster people are still recruiting high school.
You think the whole system is corrupted. Oh, Hi, USC
still recruits twenty high school players a year, and they
bring ten portal guys by the.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Way is USC going to the pop toats? What is it?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
The pop tart some bowlt bank.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, it's an exhibition game.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
I care about the playoff games. I'm so fired up
for this weekend. I saw some betting trends on Tennessee
Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
What is it?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
What is the public loves Tennise. I don't blame them.
What's the It's just a reaction to that Michigan.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
No Tennessee d line and Ohio State online worries me.
I think the line's out of whack. It should be
like a field goal four point Ohio.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
State teaser kind of weekend college teams that down right
to one or two.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
All the games are right around seven or eight. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I'm just fired up to the plass. J mckle the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
We talked about something a month ago, Carson Palmer talked
about it Friday, and oh boy, did we see it yesterday.
We'll talk about that coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and neon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
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Speaker 3 (33:48):
It's a special day of football. Saturday on Fox.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Catch the next chapter in a bare historic rivalry as
Russell Wilson and the Steelers take on Lamar Jackson and
the Ravens' off Saturday at for Eastern on Fox.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Is that crazy? I get Steelers, Ravens. I'm gonna get
Ohio State and Tennessee. The games this weekend are and
crazy Fridays Notre Dame, Indiana, right, and then Saturday we
get all these college games.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
I got to steal the family calendar and say Saturday's
off limits. Oh geez, do we college football and NFL two?
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Oh boy, I'd argue Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
What did the wife say about that one? Is she
good with that?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Go ahead and say she's not listening.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And is fine with that decision. So I talked about
it two months ago. I said, Joe Burrow is looking
around this league, at the financial commitment of Baltimore and
Kansas City and the aggressive front offices of Philadelphia and
Detroit and Buffalo. And Joe Burrow's looking around and he's
(34:58):
got mister penny pinching, and he is just in no mood.
He's had bad body language for a month, and we
love Burrow. Yesterday on camera he is dog coussin Zach
Taylor that had fourteen penalties. You know, he's setting all
sorts of record. But the video we have it's pretty
clear it's not the first time he's in no mood
for this organization. And again, once you pay a quarterback
(35:22):
big money, you have to get shrewd, manipulative and clever
in the front office. And that's not Cincinnati. The Brown
family has a smaller front office. They are not aggressive
in the drafts. They're the anti Philadelphia, They're the anti
Howie Roseman. And you're watching him upset. We've seen it
all year. So here first of all, here is Burrow
(35:43):
after his outburst, which I got no problem with. Here's Joe.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
We know the chances they're very slim.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
What I'm focused on right now is playing as good
as we can play, myself, playing up to my standard.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
That's why I was so frustrated because I didn't feel
like we did that. So t Higgins, they're not gonna
pay him. They haven't paid Jamar Chase yet. They will
Ed Rusher wants a new deal. Good luck with that.
He's outstanding, by the way, so they've got a star quarterback,
a star weapon, a star egg rusher. They have components.
This is a northern facility. They don't have an outdoor
(36:18):
indoor practice facility. I don't think they still have that.
Oh they have one now. They waited forever, like it
was the Brown family waited forever to build one. Finally
they were guilted into it, like there were high schools
in the area that had one and the pro football
team didn't have one. Now and I just think this
is I just think Joe Burrow is looking around as
a great athlete and he's looking around and looking at
(36:39):
all these other great quarterbacks and going, these guys are
I mean, Philadelphia just adding players, add in players. And
you can say what you want about Stefan Diggs to
the Bills, but they're adding players and they're paying for
And you go look at Kansas City this year, they
go out and get a left tackle on the market.
The best teams are always taking swings and have a
certain standard. And Arson Palmer, remember he left Cincinnati. We
(37:03):
had t J. Huschmansano on this show that said when
he became a Raven after Cincinnati, it felt like finally
I'm a pro football player. Here was Carson Palmer Friday
on the show.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Production on the field is second to none. I just
see a frustration on his face, and that's what concerns me.
You know, it looks to be building, It looks to
be waiting and weighing on him. So that I think
the thing that jumps out of me is is you
can see the frustration on his face.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
It's tough to.
Speaker 10 (37:30):
Put up the numbers he's put up, to score the
points they put up and be in the situation there
in which is on the outside looking in. Their playoffs
shot this year, unfortunately, looks to be slim to none,
and you've got to start thinking about next year. But
I'm starting to see some frustration grow on Joe's face,
and that's concerning.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, and again they had fourteen penalties. I'm not going
you can do the lip reading here. So he's said
blank that basically Zacs trying to say, hey, we won,
things are good, and he's like, no, we played like
garbage procedural penalties. So I'm gonna defend Joe Burrow here
because a lot of times you think pro athletes, you know,
(38:07):
they're sitting there looking at what they make but Burrow's
standards are winning games and playing at a high level.
And again, once you pay the quarterback, that's when general
managers like Brett Veach in Kansas City or Howie Roseman
or a less snead, once you pay the quarterback, okay,
(38:28):
it's hard to find them. And once you get them, okay,
you get that three or four years when you add
good players to the roster because you're not paying the quarterback.
Then you pay the star quarterback. That's when it gets
really really hard for a GM. Philadelphia makes it work.
I mean, look at Dallas now, they're going on year two.
We don't got any money. Okay. So I look at
(38:52):
Joe Burrow as a kid that is a sensational talent,
and I think his frustration is completely warranted by the
way we had Matt hasselback on earlier we were talking
about this is that now Green Bay is not a
franchise that goes big game hunting most of the time
in free agency. That's not what they do. That doesn't
(39:12):
mean they won't go out and get a safety from
the Giants or a running back from the Raiders. They'll
do their diligence. But what I love about Green Bay
is I believe that Jordan Love was not ready to
play out of Utah State. He was a prospect, and
I think half the teams in this league would have
forced him to play behind a bad old line, a
(39:33):
defensive coach, and so so much of a young person's life.
It can be a young attorney, a young intern in
any industry, do you have the right set of people
around you? And I'm watching Jordan Love and they've added
Josh Jacobs, and this team is really they have really
figured out how to use the quarterback and how to
(39:56):
grow the quarterback. And I mean last night in Seattle,
those first two drives, they just took the crowd out
of it. Eight o'clock, ten or eleven minutes to lapses,
and you're like, they've taken the crowd out of the game.
And Hereris Hasselback earlier this hour on why he loves
the Packers in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
Now, Lafley does not get enough credit for what he
is as a football coach. He just kind of gets
glossed over. He's like, oh, yeah, he's a Sean McVay guy,
you know, like whatever, Like, no, no, he is a legitimate, legitimate.
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Head football coach both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
He's done a great job bringing in Jeff Afflee to
run the defense. They've been, you know, really honestly, they've
been the unsung team this season. Like when we even
just talk about their division, we talk about Detroit, we
talk about Minnesota, and this is a team.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
That's done it.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
You know, we talk about Detroit being banged up. Now
green Bay was banged up. Now they're getting healthy.
Speaker 5 (40:46):
Yep. I think they're a dangerous team coming into the playoffs. Yep.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Green Bay and the Rams beat up early, a little
off their mark, both playing great football. Rams in the
NFC West, Packers in the NFC North. And I'll tell
you top to bottom right now, AFC may be better
at the top. NFC's better depth than the AFC right now.
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