December 23, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin admits he was wrong that Ohio State-Tennessee would be competitive. Former NFL quarterback and analyst Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to talk about quarterback play in the NFL, and push back on the idea that Caleb Williams is succeeding like the others.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Twozoh was great on a Monday because Matt Hasselbeck shares
his wisdom with us and Colin Wright Colin wrong. What
a fun weekend. I know all you college fans are
freaking out. Don't worry. Take a deep breath. I I'll
tell you. I'll get to this later in the hour.
The Cowboys win over Baker Mayfield. I just the whole game.
I kept waiting for Tampa to win. I'm like, Tampa's better,
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Tampa's gonna win. Cowboys made a couple of great plays
the interception, but I kind of feel like, did the
Buccaneers give away the playoffs? Because remember Atlanta beat him
twice and now Atlanta's got Michael Pennix at quarterback, so
they look like a better version of them. Now they're
tied for first, but they get the tie breakers, so
that game means a lot. It meant a lot to
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Tampa and at LANDA. I don't think it meant that
much to Dallas. Just got him my worst draft pick.
But j Mack, it is a Monday. I was right
on some stuff and wrong on some stuff. So let's
call me out. Here we go where Colin was right
Sam Darnold. I can't quit Sammy. I know. I know.
For years cow heard you don't know what you're talking about,
and I always said, I don't want to argue about
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the talent. He was under coached at USC and he
was under coached in Carolina, New York. The kid has it.
He's a playmaker, he's got a big arm, he's tough,
he's coachable. Now can he be a little reckless?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I think sometimes talented people can be a little
reckless at the position. But I could never quit Sammy
and couldn't be happier for him where Colin was raw.
I may have to sell some of my Kyler Murray stock.
They're officially out of the playoffs and they've lost four
or five, and in that stretch he's got fourteen d's
and six picks. Listen, I always liked his talent. There's
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no question that his lack of size hurts him in
the pocket. I don't know if he's a great leader.
I think he makes some really bad picks, especially on
the move. And often quarterbacks that are mobile make some
of their better throws on the move. He makes some
of his worst as a mobile quarterback. So I got
to take an l on Kyler Murray and that support.
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Where Colin was right, Listen, I had the Washington Commanders
as my surprise pick. Guys, I think let's do Commanders
on this story. Yeah. I had the Washington Commanders as
my dark horse playoff team. And I said Dan Sneyder,
the coaching staff and the front office was so bad
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that literally changing everybody out was actually the right move
to make. So I had the Commanders as a dark
horse playoff team. I did not know Jayden Daniels. I
liked him. I did not know he would be that good,
but he is. And congratulations. Where Colin was wrong, Ohio State, Wow.
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I thought Tennessee would keep it close. I thought this
would be a really good game. I watched Tennessee's defensive
line all year, and they got housed. That was twenty
one to nothing with three minutes left in the first quarter.
Will Howard, who struggled on the easy stuff against Michigan,
was on it. I mean Will Howard looked great, and
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so they finally realized that Ohio State, hey, we have
NFL receivers in college. Nobody can guard them. But it
was the way they hit, the way they defended. It
was the pass rush. I thought that was going to
be a classic, an epic won for the Ages, and
it was over in eight minutes. Where Colin was right
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Chargers Harbaugh, I said, I know they're a five win team.
I'm gonna pick the Chargers to make the playoffs because
I think Jim Harbaugh is a top five football coach
college or pro in America. So right now they're a
ninety eight percent bet to make the playoffs. I loved
how they took advantage of an old school rule to
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kick a field goal against Denver right before half, and
they used that as inertia for the rest of the
game to take it over. All Justin Herbert has ever
needed is the right coach and the culture culture to
separate and be an elite quarterback. We predicted it and
it happened where Colin was right. Well, I'll except your
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apologies on brock Purty. He's okay, he's fine if everything's right,
but once again, when it's less than perfect in big spots,
that late game interception, in four of his last five starts,
passer ratings under one hundred. Listen, I like him, he's solid,
but I'm not paying in a quarterback anything close to
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fifty million if you only win when everything is perfect.
If you go to his last twenty starts and yes,
they've had injuries, he's ten and ten. Again. Quarterbacks are
trucks they're pulling a team, or tractors they're getting pulled.
I think he's the latter, which is why I'd pay
him thirty two, thirty four, thirty five million and nothing
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starting with a five. Where Colin was wrong. No, I
think I'm done with it. I got one more right,
and that is the NBA Cup was down thirty five
percent last week, and Lebron James agreed with me, and
Joe Missoula, the Celtics head coach, agreed with me. The
game has gotten increasingly monotonous. You have NBA teams now
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shooting forty five threes. A game. There's no layering. It's
just a three point shooting contest. And again Lebron One
came out and criticized the league. Joe Missoula, the Celtics coach, said,
I don't watch a lot of NBA beyond my own team.
Nobody's picking on the NBA. I do not want to
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see Wemby at seven to four pulling up eleven times
for threes. I don't want to see the most dynamic
athlete in the league at Edwards, shooting ten to eleven threes.
I don't care about analytics. Math does not necessarily make
great entertainment. Baseball made changes. The game's gone up in
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ratings and attendance. The NBA needs to make changes. The
NBA Cup and the overall ratings right now are headed
in the wrong direction. With that, we bring in Matt
Hasselbeck on a Monday, eighteen years in the league. So
it's interesting when you get to this point in the season.
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Detroit's a great example. We know they're good, and I
will give them credit. That was a classic trap game.
They could have gone on the road, they could have
played poorly. They just lost to Buffalo. Where are you
this morning? On Detroit going forward dealing with all these injuries, Well, that'd.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Be a big trap losing to Chicago Colling. I mean,
that's hard to do right now, Listen, I'd like Detroit.
I like Detroit. You know, they've been they've kind of
been the hunter. Now they're the hunted. And I think
that you're seeing kind of the evolution of Dan Campbell
as a head coach. I think he's learning. I think
he's been pretty transparent about where he's made mistakes. I
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think it's one of the reasons guys like him. And
this is kind of I think the big thing I
think of when I talk about Detroit, like we think
about their toughness and their creativity. I like that, But
you got to think now as a team, like you
used to be thinking back in the day, Hey we're
playing a sixteen game season. Now Detroit's up there with
the big boys, and they got to be thinking they're
playing twenty something games because they're Super Bowl contenders now.
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And so I think maybe that toughness, there's limits on
how tough you can be if you don't want to
end the season with a bunch of guys on ir
and so like, I just go back to my first
year in the NFL, the Green Bay Packers were coming
off with two consecutive Super Bowls. That offseason wasn't at
all what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They were learning to play not in pads. There were
guys like Reggie White and Brett Farvan, Antonio Freeman and
Dorsey Levins and you know, Gilbert Brown. They learned how
to play tough without always being in pads, and that
might be one of the lessons that Detroit needs to
learn going forward if they want to have sustained success.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So we talk about it on this show all the time.
There are great stories and then there are great teams.
And I thought Minnesota early in the year was Sam
Darnold Now is a great story. Redemption for Donald he
had a turbulent career. He's a great kid. Kevin O'Connell,
the tall, Sean McVay, great story. Detroit's got better players, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore,
great story. You start going, you start winning all these
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close games. I don't know, man, I'm I'm like, this
is It's like Kansas City winning close games. After a while,
that's who you are. I don't want to hear luck.
I look at Minnesota and I'm like, Detroit, speed up,
Philadelphia has got drama. I don't know, what do you
see with Minnesota. I think it's a pretty good team.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
See a few things with Minnesota. Number One, Brian Flores
is unbelievably underrated, Like I think everyone kind of gives
him his credit, like like oh yeah, like yeah, he's great,
Like no, no, no, he is legitimate. And then on
the flip side, Sam Donald is playing outstanding. Like that
throw that he had kind of that cover two hole shot.
Here it is on the screen right now. That throw
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was ridiculous. That's a game winning throw. That's a jaw
dropping throw, and really the receiver wasn't that open. He
made him open. I think Sam Donald's playing great football.
He's gonna get paid, whether in Minnesota or somewhere else
this year. He has definitely definitely earned it. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You know, I don't want to pick on brock perty,
but you start talking fifty million like that. To me,
A great example is Burrow. O line's not good. Defense
isn't so he's always in a shootout. I think the
coach is fine, but I look at Burrow and I'm like, Okay,
that's what fifty five million looks like. And I look
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at Purty and I'm like, Okay, didn't have Christian McCaffrey. Well,
Darnold doesn't have his left tackle. You gotta win when
it's not perfect. And I'm watching Purty and I'm sitting
there thinking, am I missing something here? Where's the wow?
What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I'll just say this, like I'm a huge Brock
Party fan. I think he's a really good player. But
when I was going through contract negotiations, we never really
talked at dollars. We talked comps and so, like whether
it was you talking to your agent, your agent talking
to the team, you're usually talking comparables, much like selling
or buying a house, and so like I remember one year,
you know, the team is trying to say that, hey,
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you to us contract wise, you're Chad Pennington, and I
was saying trying to say, no, I'm Steve McNair or
like whoever the latest whoever the latest contracts were. And
then ultimately you probably slide in there somewhere in between
what you want the comp to be and what they
want the comp to be. So it's not necessarily like
they come into a negotiation and they say, hey, it's
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got to start with a five. You know, Usually they'll
look around, they'll talk about what the other options are
this offseason. Ironically Sam Donald could be one of the
other options. Or you talk about what contracts were done
last year that you think are a good comp for
you who you are as a player, and that's really
where the negotiations happen. And that's a lot of times
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where you see guys get offended, like wait, what you
think I'm the same player as that guy, and so like,
sometimes negotiations go south. You see it more often at
wide receiver negotiations because you know, I think they like
they they comp themselves to the other guys more than
quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks I think realize that there's a lot
that goes into my success or my failures. But that's
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how this negotiation will probably go, at least how it'll
start out.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I want you to explain to the audience one of
the first things from Mahomes that always struck me wasn't
just that he was talented. It was that I couldn't
tell if he was leading or trailing. It didn't affect him,
it didn't matter. I watched Jaden Daniels his fourth quarter
passer rating this year, his passer rating while trailing. It's
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like in the Lamar in the Mahomes category. Take my
audience to how tough that is. Forget ever when you're young,
and how much tougher quarterback play is on final drives
and trail Because I look at Jayden Daniels, it just
doesn't seem like stuff rookies normally do.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, I don't know if it's tougher. I actually sort
of always liked it. I think he likes it too.
There's a difference between liking it and being able to like,
actually go out and do it. At the moment of truth.
Jayden Daniels is the most impressive quarterback in this rookie
class by far. I mean what he has done this
season and what he did yesterday is just absolutely mind blowing.
Like he is everything you would hope to have in
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a rookie quarterback and more both as a thrower, as
a runner, even as a leader. I don't think he
even understands like how difficult some of the things are
that he's doing. He just does it with a smile
in his face, and he repeats the same things the
kids say in like high school and in college, like
oh no, I just went the ball in my hands
at the end of the game. Like really, in that
moment on fourth and eleven, you want to be running
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the ball against Philly's defense. Really, Like, this isn't flag football.
This is the Eagles defense, one of the most talented
defenses in the game. So, you know, I just think
that he has been remarkable this year. He has a
lot of fun to watch. I think Cliff Kingsbury deserves
a lot more credit than he's getting. And I think
that Jaden Daniels, I know, a rookie quarterback. We talked
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about it. I've heard it. Rookie quarterbacks never started a
Super Bowl. It could happen with this guy. It legitimately could.
They were a real contender this year, not next year.
This year, And so like that game, it was the
game of the week. He had the throw of the week.
It was incredible, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Michael Pennix, Washington, Indiana. A lot of college starts, played
with a lot of NFL receivers. What'd you make his debut?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, I thought it was good. I think it was
very encouraging. I mean, it was against the Giants, So
you know that's what it is. They're they're not a
very good team. To put it nicely, the defense scored twice.
You know it was some of that. But I think
if you're looking, does this kid belong? Yeah, he belongs.
He's got major zip on his passes, which is basically
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the biggest critique that people have had on Kirk Cousins
this year coming off of injury. Pennix has a wow arm.
He's a wow factor arm. And then when you watched
him in that Ryan Grubb offense in college at Udub,
he had wow accuracy. So this is not your typical rookie.
He's a guy that started a bunch of games. James,
He's played a lot of football. He's very mature, and
I actually think it's going to be a great thing
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for his career to have been there with Kirk Cousins.
You see Kirk kind of cheerleading him on now being unselfish.
So you marry up the weapons that they have offensively,
and then the potential that Pennix has.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
My question would be, is this really what you want
to do? Kind of be developing learning on the fly
as you have a chance to win your division, and
I think that's the tough decision. I think that's why
Atlanta waited so long to put him in as the starter.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Let's go back to somebody you've been critical of. But
in fairness, despite the drama around him, Caleb's not throwing picks.
I know it's not everything, but usually if a quarterback's
overwhelmed a rookie, he makes a lot of mistakes. Will
Levis Bryce young. Okay, let's go now to what Caleb is.
They're not winning. Have you changed your opinion on what
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you see with him?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, and listen, I listen. I know he's a young quarterback,
and so I always feel badly being critical at all
of any young quarterback because you know, if someone looked
at me when I was a rookie, it would have
been a disaster. Okay, but this is a very strong
rookie class of quarterbacks, and I just think that like,
Caleb is the one guy to me that I don't
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see the things that I believe are really important, that
I believe matter for sustained success for a long career.
I haven't seen that so much. So, yeah, is no interceptions,
Like great, that's awesome, but like, you also have to
learn to be an anticipator as a pastor. Jayden Daniels
do such an amazing job. He's a wait and see thrower.
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You can't take sacks that hurts your team. You're in
field goal range. Now you take an unnecessary sack. Now
we're punting, like you get got to learn to throw
the ball away. You got to know where your hots are.
You got to move protection so that you know you're
not hurting your team. Body language is a huge thing
to me. I don't I don't love what I see
out of him. You know, so, are there wild plays?
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Are there splash plays? Yeah, that's awesome. That's why you
were drafted so high. But if you're going to compare him,
and if I was just gonna like nameless faces, I
don't see the emblem on the helmet, I don't see
the name on the jersey. I don't know who was
picked first, second, third, whatever, I'm putting all those other
rookie quarterbacks, Jaden Daniels, Drake may Bow, Nix. In a week,
I might put Panix up there above Caleb. That's just
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the film is the film, and my opinion is my opinion.
But we'll see if I'm being real, that's what I
would say.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No, No, I love it, and you're more right than
I am on that stuff. So finally, I feel like
I've been defending Lamar Jackson for six years that he's
just and I al will say this. No, I mean
Elway felt perfect right like you had size, he had
arm running. He went to Stanford. Some players are developing
as pros, and I think Lamar's become a very nice
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They finally got him a number one in Za Flowers.
They always had a run game. I don't like to root,
but I want to see Lamar succeed in the postseason.
And I know he got tight last year. Where are
I thought he was so good against Pittsburgh. Where are
you now on Lamar Baltimore today? Do you feel good
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or is the anxiety creeping up for playoff Lamar for you?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, No, I'm buying. I'm buying Baltimore. I love Lamar.
I think Lamar's in some weird way underrated because he's
an MVP winner. I mean he's He's probably the guy
that is got the best chance to unseat Josh Allen
as the MVP this year. I think Baltimore's exactly where
they need to be in terms of winning this division.
I thought he was outstanding against Pittsburgh. I thought he
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was the difference maker. And that was a big matchup,
you know, Lamar and the Ravens or Russell and the Steelers.
It was clear it was Lamar and the Ravens, and
so I think you're going to see more of that.
I think he's an outstanding player. And you know, when
you talk about the Titan, you know the quarterbacks that
could go toe to toe with Josh Allen, toe to
toe with Mahome, Like, who's that difference maker that makes
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everybody around him better? Who's the guy that intimidates defensive coordinators?
Lamar Jackson's got to be at the top of that list.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, I gotta ask you one more thing. When Detroit
did the trick play, I thought Ben Johnson the OC
was showing off to the Chicago brass. I'm like, why
would you run that play? Am I reaching, there is
that possible?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, you're one hundred percent right about that, And not
only just the game like this, but you know, coordinators
and play callers do that on like a nationally televised
game Monday night Football Sunday Night Football. They save it.
The funny thing is is most guys don't have the courage,
they don't have the stones to call it in that game.
You put a game, you put a trick play in
for the Bears, you end up calling it like seven
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weeks later. You know, I think, like to the Philly
Special against New England. You know, they probably didn't put
it in for New England. They probably were practicing it
like for eleven weeks and then they were like, you know,
I think it was Foles and Doug Peterson, They're like,
you want to just run Philly Special. We've been running
and practice the whole season. It's ready to roll, you know,
so now listen. I think Ben Johnson's been one of
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the most impressive play callers and kind of creative guys.
But yeah, that was that was a little bit of
a show off, a little bit of an audition, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Great seniors always man Youroa's money, love your stuff. Matt hasseback,
Thanks Bud, thank you calling yeah it. Peter Schreger also
noted that on Twitter, I'm watching it and as I
watched the play, I'm like, first of all, we all
like new stuff. We love trick plays. So I'm like,
that's a weird time to call that play against a
division team you're routing because you're going to face those
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guys two times a year, right, Like, you don't want
to rub it in. See you know, if you're the
Ravens and you're beating the Steelers, you may want to
hold back on rubbing it in with a trick play. Now.
I know Detroit's better than Chicago, but I thought that's
kind of a weird way. And then all of a sudden,
it's like, oh yeah, yeah, a little show off time,
a little audition for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Did you see people saying why don't you save that
for a playoff game? My instant response is the smart,
good teams they're not falling for that crap. The Bears
are a bad team. Ebra Flus is not there. All
the guys are yelling fumble.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
If you heard the fumble fumble and then nobody's paying attention,
I would say there's no chance Ben Johnson goes to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
None.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Why is he going there?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I mean, if you're a coordinator and somebody triples
your pay and it's a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
City, Washington offered a triple and he said no, like
on the.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Private jet over there, like he didn't he didn't quite
know what Jaden Daniels would be. Yeah, I mean we
both like Jayden Daniels. We didn't think he'd be this.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I like Drake May Moore and Jayden's been way better.
But Drake May's coming on strong.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Nobody should watch him May. But I still can't believe
that game. I mean, New England jumped right on.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Top of Buffalo Sleepy. Yeah, Josh Allen worse game since
that Texans disaster. You really think Ben Johnson's leaving Detroit
for Chicago, He would do that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I just think Chicago Bears in the division. It's a
blue blood franchise. They got some good players. This is
not a bad roster. No, it's a talented It's a
little bit like the Chargers job, where you've got pieces.
And I think Herbert was more proven than Caleb. Caleb's
still in the ascension stage, whereas everybody kind of knew
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Herbert was really good. But it's you know, they got
pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
They had like three hundred and fifty yards offense. Again,
now it was they're playing catch up. The whole time.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But that's they got dudes, Chicago's Got dudes.
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Speaker 1 (23:35):
All right, welcome back in in a Monday. Matt Hasselbeck
was money, was he not? He's got his questions on
Caleb Williams. He's been consistent all year, and he's also
been consistent on he loves Jaden Daniels. Here's j Mack
with the news. No, no turn on the news. This
is the Herdline News.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Let's start with the Minnesota Viking Hollin what a story.
They are now thirteen and two after the win over
Seattle on the road and they got a shot at
the number one seed. I don't think they'll get it,
but they have a shot now.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Justin Jefferson was phenomenal yesterday. Ten catches for above forty
four to two touchdowns, including to go ahead touchdown late,
which was an amazing play by Darnold Jefferson just grittying
all over the place. I love this guy. He actually
like in this Minnesota team to the national title winning team.
He was on an LSU they won a lot of but.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, we're coming together, you know, every single game
where we're finding different ways to overcome the adversity. These
close games are what make you know, championship teams, you know,
just just stand in it. Twenty nineteen when I won
a championship LSU was the same type of same type
of vibe, just the team just together, fighting for one
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another every single game.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It definitely feels the same. Remember that LSU team beat
like eight rank teams. They were in just crazy dramatic
games and they kept winning all of them, and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Then they dropped seventy on somebody in a playoff game
or sixty seven. It was like a massive blowout.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, in Minnesota, I gotta tell you, with the Lions
defense losing really good players and the Packers are good
but still young. I look at Minnesota differently today than
I did six weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So regarding Coach of the Year, I know you love Peyton,
we like Harball, and obviously Dan Campbell's been great. I
think it's got to be O'Connell call. Under win total
was six and a half. Yeah, they've doubled that and
they're in the mix of the number one seed Sam Darnold,
who's you know putting in nicely. He's a reclamation project. No, oh, completely, yeah,
but I think this has to be the Coach of
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the year phenomenal story. I don't know how dangerous they are.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well, I don't even you know what's funny about this.
I'm gonna go old school. So remember, I know you
hate this, but Loutolfs and the legendary basketball coach had
so many great teams at Arizona, Arizona Wildcat. Yes, and
it was the one young team that had Miles side
Miles sign and got in and won the Natty. It
was the only Arizona loot team. Everybody's like, yeah, this
is not a national check. So they had no pressure
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and they won it. And it's really funny. Minnesota in
my lifetime has had all these teams. I mean I
grew up with the Purple People Eaters and they had
Fran Tarkan and they won game. And they've had a
lot of great teams the Moss years and this is
the one where they were picked fourth in division or
if you're optimistic, third, and even this season we paid
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attention to the Packers and the Lions and the Eagles,
and it's like they're really in a rare spot. They're
an excellent team and there's zero pressure even in their division.
There's more pressure on Chicago to get the right coach
than Minnesota to win a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, you argue with some pressure on Sam Darnold yesterday
in Seattle, trailing in the fourth and they had no
run game to speak up and Donald gets digged up.
Remember he got kind of falled on the ankle. He
couldn't stand up quickly, and then like the next play
he scrambles and hits Jefferson. I don't know what to
make of this team. Like in their playoff prospects, they
just keep winning. And you made something. He said something
interesting about how Darnold could stay in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think so. I texted an executive yesterday and I said,
you tell me this is not a great quarterback class.
Is Sam easily the best quarterback available? He goes yes,
and Minnesota's too smart to let him go. And this
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was an executive who respected the Vikings. He said, this
coach is too smart, this organization's too smart to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They they let Kirk Cousins go they didn't want to match.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, but cousin older, not athletic. They'd had him for years,
they'd seen a ceiling. When I watch Sam play, I
know he can be reckless, but I don't see a
lot of ceiling here. He keeps making plays with his
feet and his arm in big spot.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What would if they think, hey, we can get ninety
percent of Sam's production out of JJ McCarthy on his
rookie contract, and then we can really stack here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know who I think is hoping that the Titans
and the Raiders. I think they're both hoping.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
How much is Sam Darnold dominating with Kevin O'Connell. Is
he going to dominate with whatever the Raiders tried out
at OC?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No? I think this is the best Sam. Can you
get eighty five percent of this out? Well?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Callahan I trust as an offensive guy, but it's outdoors,
it's Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's different.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But what you go from Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and
Hawkinson to Calvin Ridley, a random tight end guy and
who else did Tyler Boyd? That's a massive drop.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
No, I think you're seeing the best of him, But
that doesn't mean he doesn't have value. I'm not paying
him fifty, but you're starting to get into that Daniel
Jones forty forty one ish.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You have to consider we used Daniel Jones as a
Brahmin and the Giants were a total train wreck the
second they gave him the money. They have to move
off Saquon and they can't win a damn game. So
you do that to Donald.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I know, I think it's a very I think it's
a very fair conversation. But in Minnesota, I have a
hard time letting that thing go.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
At thirteen and two, Yeah, real Toughton. They do have
green Bay this week in a massive game before the
Detroit season finale. Next up is the Chiefs. They look good.
I'll give him this. They look good on Saturday. We
agree they didn't need luck to win this game. But
Chris Jones went down with a cap into in the
second half.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did you see the team rally around him? Not like
man When he went down, that whole defense just swarmed
to him. They knew it was trouble.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jake Glazer is reporting it's a grade one cat strain.
His status for Wednesday up in the air. Now, listen,
I'm done guessing on the Chiefs. We thought Mahomes would
be hurt, you know, it, may not play, and they
rest him out. He was fine. So who knows what's
gonna happen with Chris Jones Chiefs from minus two and
a half at Pittsburgh Christmas Day on I believe in Netflix.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is George Pickens plan. That's the plan. But we got
to see the injury portafore they went down. I'll take
Kansas City. This was the injured Mahomes and he looked
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Casey on the road. So Mike Tomlin in a epic
spot as a home dog that's supposed to be an AutoPlay,
mister tredd better.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
My trends have stunk, Yeah, they have.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
The final story is the worst team in New York.
It's not New York Giants. Ten straight l's and they
continue to tank for the number one pick. They're in
the clear now two and thirteen. They are officially in
line to have the number one pick. However, I wouldn't
pencil in Shador Sanders just yet. An NFL analyst, Brian
McFadden believes the Giants need to just blow the whole
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damn thing up and hit the reset button. Everyone must
go it feels like a locker room is gone, and
that is the ultimate sign of in terms of shaking
up personnel. McFadden obviously a former cornerbacks in the league,
He also believes Dion will not want Schedor to go
to New York. He's not the only one that thinks that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Let me throw this out. You're good about this. You
could say, Brian Dable, fire him. If you're Brian Dabel,
I do believe getting Daniel Jones to a playoff win
will get you a second job. My guys in the
league think all the quarterbacks in this rookie class are
better than Shadur. You're stuck taking Shaduur. And my takeaway is,
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if I'm Brian Dable, forget the Giants wanting a reset.
If I'm Brian Dable and his agent, I want to reset.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Are you sure you're taking Shaduur over cam Ward?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, cam Ward has a better arm. I think he's
I think Cam's a better athlete with a better arm.
I think Shadeur is more ready to play in paulish.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You want a celebrity quarterback or NFL quarterback? Which what
you want?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's a good Again, I don't think Shadeur is a
strong enough prospect to be a definitive number one. You
could argue your way out of it. I think Jalen
milro is going to go fifteenth through above two. I
do keep your eye on the Titans taking him.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Titans add I believe.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Or something like that, Titans add Kirk Cousins for one
year and draft Jalen Milk.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
By the way, Cleveland Browns are now had leap frog
the Raiders in the draft order. Here is the current
draft order. Giants that won, Patriots need an offensive line badly.
The Jags probably go Travis Hunter. I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I think all the team. I think every one of
those teams could trade down.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Five and six meet a quarterback. But the Deshaun Watson
Browns elements very interesting. Colin. Would they draft a Jalen
Milroe a Chador at five with Deshaun on the roster?
I mean, we saw dtr yesterday not happening Jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
That ain't it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Jets are in prime position to get a nice pass rusher.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There credit no quarterback for that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News, America's honesty
broker has some thoughts on the Buccaneers and the Cowboys.
Where and what are the Cowboys today? If you're bad,
at least you have a plan, right, get a new coach,
get a new quarterback? Are the Cowboys in NFL?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
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Speaker 1 (33:06):
So Cowboy fans time for a little data from America's
honest steam broker. I am just the messenger, just relaying data.
No reason to get angry with me. But Cowboys starting
quarterbacks this season, Dak Prescott is three and five and
Cooper rushes four and three. Well, that Colin, there's a
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lot of oh passer rating. Cooper's is higher. Cooper ten touchdowns,
two picks, Dak eleven touchdowns, eight picks. And also Dallas
won a game rushing for just thirty one yards. Dak
Prescott has never done that in his career. He's been
very reliant on a strong run game. So you know,
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this is why Dallas is staring at third place is
that I've felt that Jerry is terrified to be irrelevant,
and I'm watching that game last night. I'm not watching
it for Dallas. I'm watching it for Baker Mayfield and
to see if the Buccaneers can secure their playoff spot,
which they didn't, which is a bummer because I kind
of felt like I was watching the better team lose
to a team that just had a couple of great plays.
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So now the Cowboys are in sort of that dreaded
NFL quicksand because they won. Right now, their draft order
is fifteenth and this is what many people consider to
be one of the weaker drafts in the last decade.
At the top, there's about nine really elite players. Usually
you get about sixteen to seventeen on average, and then
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you try to stay away from the end of the
first round where you're paying first round money, but it's
probably more of a second round player. This year you
got about nine guys that grade out as first round players.
So now you're right in the middle. It's hard to move.
It's not a year in which people want to move
up in the first round unless you have a top eight,
nine to ten pick, and Dallas doesn't have that. And
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Cooper Rush is in a short list of very good
backup quarterbacks. Elite backup quarterbacks. But they weren't even the
most newsworthy team last night. I thought Tampa was. And
so generally, if you're not making the playoffs, let's say,
like Chicago, you have a plan. We got to get
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a head coach. Washington's a great example of that. Washington
last year, bad team. We're cleaning house. That's a plan.
Denver was like, we got to go get a quarterback.
We got too much dead money with Russell Wilson. We
got to have a free quarterback for four years. So
generally speaking, Houston a couple of years ago, coach quarterback.
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We're starting over. I like the idea of an NFL
team saying, hey man, we're starting over, or at least
be like the Chargers or the Bears, where we just
got to get the right coach. We like our quarterback.
I don't know what Dallas is. Jerry's the GM. You're
stuck with Dak and Mike McCarthy's winning games. And we've
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said this, Mike McCarthy in big spots against great teams
drives me nuts with his clock management. But you can't
argue that Mike McCarthy is a bad coach. I mean,
I watched the Giants. That team looks like it's given up.
Dallas is playing hard. Every time I watch Dallas, I'm
like they're giving everything they got. I mean, that game
was so easy to mail in last night. Tampa had
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everything to play for. Dallas has nothing to play for.
And I thought Dallas played a really good football and
I think they had the inferior team. I would take
Tampa's roster over Dallas's roster ten out of ten times.
So that's a nice win for them, and it doesn't
help me in the draft order, but it does help
Mike McCarthy probably save his job. But again, what is
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the plan for next year? Here's Jerry After Proud of
his guys, Proud.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Of those guys born They wouldn't give it up out there,
So I'm real, real proud of him and Michae McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
He just won't let them not think they're playing for
the Souper Bowl out there. He won't let them do it.
So proud of that. Proud of the coach, yeah should be.
Here's the other Texas story. So it's the first round
of the college football playoffs. Don't take too much from it.
But I've said all year, I think I predicted this
Texas Ohio State will play for the Natty. Now, I
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didn't think Ohio State was gonna stub their tow at
home against the Michigan team that couldn't pass. But Ohio
State looked great this weekend. I mean, that's as good
as anybody's played in any game this year. They were unbelievable.
But I watched Texas against Clemson, and I gotta tell you,
I look at Ohio State's passing game with Will Howard
and those receivers, and I watched Texas's secondary get beat.
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I don't know. I don't know what to make of Texas.
I know they're gonna beat Arizona State, but I'm watching
the Longhorns this weekend. In my taking all this college
playoff stuff is there's a lot of bureaucracy whatever. I
like their running backs, but I feel like when I
watched Ohio State, even to the end, I felt they
were intentional. They had a mission. They were a torpedo
(38:00):
and cleats and they wanted to make a statement. I
just feel like Texas is talented, and I just I
feel like they leave so many opportunities on the edit
room floor. So I don't know, what to make. They're
now a fourteen point favored over Arizona State, so they
opened I think thirteen thirteen and a half. So it
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tells you there's probably some sharp money on Texas. And
I do think Arizona State's a much better story than
a team. Ohio State's very good. I think they'll beat
Oregon close in the Rose Bowl. They've been there before.
What do you make of Texas? Because I thought Clemson
had a lot of push. I know they got beat
by a couple of touchdowns, but I thought Clemson. I think,
if you're Ohio State and a team that can throw
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from this point forward, I thought Clemson moved the ball
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah you mentioned it. Three hundred and thirty six yards passing,
three touchdowns, seven point eight yards per at ten. These
aren't like real passes. They were throwing the ball down
the field. Yeah yeah, I didn't great. I didn't love it.
I like Dillingham, the ASU coach, a lot. Yes, clever quarterback.
We'll see he's you know, he's all right.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Do you know they were Do you know Arizona State
was picked for sixteenth in their conference? I mean there was,
they were. They were literally the Pac twelve's like we're disbanding,
go find your own conference. That's one of the Cinderella
stories of all times.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
So one angle that you could look into. You know,
you just said Texas Ohio State playing for the nanny,
Well they would play in the semie.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right Texas. Well, No,
we had thought, let's look at let's look at let's
look at the bracket.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Again, play in the semi final.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, I think I would take Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, is Texas going to be overlooking a two touchdown
dog for a big matchup against Ohios?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I think Ohio State matches up really well with Texas
really well.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
See the problem is Ohio State and Oregon are gonna
be each way.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Look at this. Look at Penn State's route. So Penn
State gets SMU at home, now at Boise State, and
then they get a play the winner of Notre Dame Georgia,
which is going to be fit Is it cool run?
Because because George's got a backup quarterback, so that's going
to be incredibly physical. Marcus Freeman's teams play. It's physical football.
So then Penn State, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know, Clatt came on here and mentioned the reseed
and I was I kind of scoffed. I was like,
come on, looking at this, Clatt was onto something like
this just doesn't seem right, if that makes any.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Sense, right right?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
No, I mean I think Boyse's gonna be live in
that one.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
What a shame is It's crazy. The Ohio State Oregon
game could be the game of the year in college football,
followed by the second best game of the year in
college football Texas, Ohio State or Oregon shouldn't. The way
you should do the seeding is you'd get those guys
in the end.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
This is a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Right, It's no question.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Let's not overreact. All these people saying cut it to
eight teams, now, that's nonsense. I think this is tremendous.
I love the games, even though they were blowouts. It
helped that I nailed all of them correctly.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Listen, the road teams got smoked.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That Notre Dame Georgia game is really interesting because you.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Know, Georgia is like a one and a half point favorite.
USC passed it all over Notre Dame. That's not how
Georgia breaks. No, I think Georgia's got overall a better roster.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The trenches will be everything that Georgia defensive line. They
got like three first round picks in their front seven.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Oh, basically Texas, Texas versus the winner of Oregon Ohio
State would be at the Cotton Bowl. Oh, that's basically
a home game for Texas. Indeed, I don't mind that
because I think Texas has earned that. Penn State's road
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Twozoh was great on a Monday because Matt Hasselbeck shares
his wisdom with us and Colin Wright Colin wrong. What
a fun weekend. I know all you college fans are
freaking out. Don't worry. Take a deep breath. I I'll
tell you. I'll get to this later in the hour.
The Cowboys win over Baker Mayfield. I just the whole game.
I kept waiting for Tampa to win. I'm like, Tampa's better,
(00:45):
Tampa's gonna win. Cowboys made a couple of great plays
the interception, but I kind of feel like, did the
Buccaneers give away the playoffs? Because remember Atlanta beat him
twice and now Atlanta's got Michael Pennix at quarterback, so
they look like a better version of them. Now they're
tied for first, but they get the tie breakers, so
that game means a lot. It meant a lot to
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Tampa and at LANDA. I don't think it meant that
much to Dallas. Just got him my worst draft pick.
But j Mack, it is a Monday. I was right
on some stuff and wrong on some stuff. So let's
call me out. Here we go where Colin was right
Sam Darnold. I can't quit Sammy. I know. I know.
For years cow heard you don't know what you're talking about,
and I always said, I don't want to argue about
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the talent. He was under coached at USC and he
was under coached in Carolina, New York. The kid has it.
He's a playmaker, he's got a big arm, he's tough,
he's coachable. Now can he be a little reckless?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I think sometimes talented people can be a little
reckless at the position. But I could never quit Sammy
and couldn't be happier for him where Colin was raw.
I may have to sell some of my Kyler Murray stock.
They're officially out of the playoffs and they've lost four
or five, and in that stretch he's got fourteen d's
and six picks. Listen, I always liked his talent. There's
(02:02):
no question that his lack of size hurts him in
the pocket. I don't know if he's a great leader.
I think he makes some really bad picks, especially on
the move. And often quarterbacks that are mobile make some
of their better throws on the move. He makes some
of his worst as a mobile quarterback. So I got
to take an l on Kyler Murray and that support.
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Where Colin was right, Listen, I had the Washington Commanders
as my surprise pick. Guys, I think let's do Commanders
on this story. Yeah. I had the Washington Commanders as
my dark horse playoff team. And I said Dan Sneyder,
the coaching staff and the front office was so bad
(02:47):
that literally changing everybody out was actually the right move
to make. So I had the Commanders as a dark
horse playoff team. I did not know Jayden Daniels. I
liked him. I did not know he would be that good,
but he is. And congratulations. Where Colin was wrong, Ohio State, Wow.
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I thought Tennessee would keep it close. I thought this
would be a really good game. I watched Tennessee's defensive
line all year, and they got housed. That was twenty
one to nothing with three minutes left in the first quarter.
Will Howard, who struggled on the easy stuff against Michigan,
was on it. I mean Will Howard looked great, and
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so they finally realized that Ohio State, hey, we have
NFL receivers in college. Nobody can guard them. But it
was the way they hit, the way they defended. It
was the pass rush. I thought that was going to
be a classic, an epic won for the Ages, and
it was over in eight minutes. Where Colin was right
(03:53):
Chargers Harbaugh, I said, I know they're a five win team.
I'm gonna pick the Chargers to make the playoffs because
I think Jim Harbaugh is a top five football coach
college or pro in America. So right now they're a
ninety eight percent bet to make the playoffs. I loved
how they took advantage of an old school rule to
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kick a field goal against Denver right before half, and
they used that as inertia for the rest of the
game to take it over. All Justin Herbert has ever
needed is the right coach and the culture culture to
separate and be an elite quarterback. We predicted it and
it happened where Colin was right. Well, I'll except your
(04:39):
apologies on brock Purty. He's okay, he's fine if everything's right,
but once again, when it's less than perfect in big spots,
that late game interception, in four of his last five starts,
passer ratings under one hundred. Listen, I like him, he's solid,
but I'm not paying in a quarterback anything close to
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fifty million if you only win when everything is perfect.
If you go to his last twenty starts and yes,
they've had injuries, he's ten and ten. Again. Quarterbacks are
trucks they're pulling a team, or tractors they're getting pulled.
I think he's the latter, which is why I'd pay
him thirty two, thirty four, thirty five million and nothing
(05:27):
starting with a five. Where Colin was wrong. No, I
think I'm done with it. I got one more right,
and that is the NBA Cup was down thirty five
percent last week, and Lebron James agreed with me, and
Joe Missoula, the Celtics head coach, agreed with me. The
game has gotten increasingly monotonous. You have NBA teams now
(05:51):
shooting forty five threes. A game. There's no layering. It's
just a three point shooting contest. And again Lebron One
came out and criticized the league. Joe Missoula, the Celtics coach, said,
I don't watch a lot of NBA beyond my own team.
Nobody's picking on the NBA. I do not want to
(06:13):
see Wemby at seven to four pulling up eleven times
for threes. I don't want to see the most dynamic
athlete in the league at Edwards, shooting ten to eleven threes.
I don't care about analytics. Math does not necessarily make
great entertainment. Baseball made changes. The game's gone up in
(06:35):
ratings and attendance. The NBA needs to make changes. The
NBA Cup and the overall ratings right now are headed
in the wrong direction. With that, we bring in Matt
Hasselbeck on a Monday, eighteen years in the league. So
it's interesting when you get to this point in the season.
(06:56):
Detroit's a great example. We know they're good, and I
will give them credit. That was a classic trap game.
They could have gone on the road, they could have
played poorly. They just lost to Buffalo. Where are you
this morning? On Detroit going forward dealing with all these injuries, Well, that'd.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Be a big trap losing to Chicago Colling. I mean,
that's hard to do right now, Listen, I'd like Detroit.
I like Detroit. You know, they've been they've kind of
been the hunter. Now they're the hunted. And I think
that you're seeing kind of the evolution of Dan Campbell
as a head coach. I think he's learning. I think
he's been pretty transparent about where he's made mistakes. I
(07:36):
think it's one of the reasons guys like him. And
this is kind of I think the big thing I
think of when I talk about Detroit, like we think
about their toughness and their creativity. I like that, But
you got to think now as a team, like you
used to be thinking back in the day, Hey we're
playing a sixteen game season. Now Detroit's up there with
the big boys, and they got to be thinking they're
playing twenty something games because they're Super Bowl contenders now.
(08:00):
And so I think maybe that toughness, there's limits on
how tough you can be if you don't want to
end the season with a bunch of guys on ir
and so like, I just go back to my first
year in the NFL, the Green Bay Packers were coming
off with two consecutive Super Bowls. That offseason wasn't at
all what I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
They were learning to play not in pads. There were
guys like Reggie White and Brett Farvan, Antonio Freeman and
Dorsey Levins and you know, Gilbert Brown. They learned how
to play tough without always being in pads, and that
might be one of the lessons that Detroit needs to
learn going forward if they want to have sustained success.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
So we talk about it on this show all the time.
There are great stories and then there are great teams.
And I thought Minnesota early in the year was Sam
Darnold Now is a great story. Redemption for Donald he
had a turbulent career. He's a great kid. Kevin O'Connell,
the tall, Sean McVay, great story. Detroit's got better players, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Baltimore,
great story. You start going, you start winning all these
(09:02):
close games. I don't know, man, I'm I'm like, this
is It's like Kansas City winning close games. After a while,
that's who you are. I don't want to hear luck.
I look at Minnesota and I'm like, Detroit, speed up,
Philadelphia has got drama. I don't know, what do you
see with Minnesota. I think it's a pretty good team.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
See a few things with Minnesota. Number One, Brian Flores
is unbelievably underrated, Like I think everyone kind of gives
him his credit, like like oh yeah, like yeah, he's great,
Like no, no, no, he is legitimate. And then on
the flip side, Sam Donald is playing outstanding. Like that
throw that he had kind of that cover two hole shot.
Here it is on the screen right now. That throw
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was ridiculous. That's a game winning throw. That's a jaw
dropping throw, and really the receiver wasn't that open. He
made him open. I think Sam Donald's playing great football.
He's gonna get paid, whether in Minnesota or somewhere else
this year. He has definitely definitely earned it. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
You know, I don't want to pick on brock perty,
but you start talking fifty million like that. To me,
A great example is Burrow. O line's not good. Defense
isn't so he's always in a shootout. I think the
coach is fine, but I look at Burrow and I'm like, Okay,
that's what fifty five million looks like. And I look
(10:23):
at Purty and I'm like, Okay, didn't have Christian McCaffrey. Well,
Darnold doesn't have his left tackle. You gotta win when
it's not perfect. And I'm watching Purty and I'm sitting
there thinking, am I missing something here? Where's the wow?
What do you make of him?
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Well, I'll just say this, like I'm a huge Brock
Party fan. I think he's a really good player. But
when I was going through contract negotiations, we never really
talked at dollars. We talked comps and so, like whether
it was you talking to your agent, your agent talking
to the team, you're usually talking comparables, much like selling
or buying a house, and so like I remember one year,
you know, the team is trying to say that, hey,
(11:01):
you to us contract wise, you're Chad Pennington, and I
was saying trying to say, no, I'm Steve McNair or
like whoever the latest whoever the latest contracts were. And
then ultimately you probably slide in there somewhere in between
what you want the comp to be and what they
want the comp to be. So it's not necessarily like
they come into a negotiation and they say, hey, it's
(11:22):
got to start with a five. You know, Usually they'll
look around, they'll talk about what the other options are
this offseason. Ironically Sam Donald could be one of the
other options. Or you talk about what contracts were done
last year that you think are a good comp for
you who you are as a player, and that's really
where the negotiations happen. And that's a lot of times
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where you see guys get offended, like wait, what you
think I'm the same player as that guy, and so like,
sometimes negotiations go south. You see it more often at
wide receiver negotiations because you know, I think they like
they they comp themselves to the other guys more than
quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks I think realize that there's a lot
that goes into my success or my failures. But that's
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how this negotiation will probably go, at least how it'll
start out.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I want you to explain to the audience one of
the first things from Mahomes that always struck me wasn't
just that he was talented. It was that I couldn't
tell if he was leading or trailing. It didn't affect him,
it didn't matter. I watched Jaden Daniels his fourth quarter
passer rating this year, his passer rating while trailing. It's
(12:31):
like in the Lamar in the Mahomes category. Take my
audience to how tough that is. Forget ever when you're young,
and how much tougher quarterback play is on final drives
and trail Because I look at Jayden Daniels, it just
doesn't seem like stuff rookies normally do.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, I don't know if it's tougher. I actually sort
of always liked it. I think he likes it too.
There's a difference between liking it and being able to like,
actually go out and do it. At the moment of truth.
Jayden Daniels is the most impressive quarterback in this rookie
class by far. I mean what he has done this
season and what he did yesterday is just absolutely mind blowing.
Like he is everything you would hope to have in
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a rookie quarterback and more both as a thrower, as
a runner, even as a leader. I don't think he
even understands like how difficult some of the things are
that he's doing. He just does it with a smile
in his face, and he repeats the same things the
kids say in like high school and in college, like
oh no, I just went the ball in my hands
at the end of the game. Like really, in that
moment on fourth and eleven, you want to be running
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the ball against Philly's defense. Really, Like, this isn't flag football.
This is the Eagles defense, one of the most talented
defenses in the game. So, you know, I just think
that he has been remarkable this year. He has a
lot of fun to watch. I think Cliff Kingsbury deserves
a lot more credit than he's getting. And I think
that Jaden Daniels, I know, a rookie quarterback. We talked
(13:57):
about it. I've heard it. Rookie quarterbacks never started a
Super Bowl. It could happen with this guy. It legitimately could.
They were a real contender this year, not next year.
This year, And so like that game, it was the
game of the week. He had the throw of the week.
It was incredible, all right.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Michael Pennix, Washington, Indiana. A lot of college starts, played
with a lot of NFL receivers. What'd you make his debut?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, I thought it was good. I think it was
very encouraging. I mean, it was against the Giants, So
you know that's what it is. They're they're not a
very good team. To put it nicely, the defense scored twice.
You know it was some of that. But I think
if you're looking, does this kid belong? Yeah, he belongs.
He's got major zip on his passes, which is basically
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the biggest critique that people have had on Kirk Cousins
this year coming off of injury. Pennix has a wow arm.
He's a wow factor arm. And then when you watched
him in that Ryan Grubb offense in college at Udub,
he had wow accuracy. So this is not your typical rookie.
He's a guy that started a bunch of games. James,
He's played a lot of football. He's very mature, and
I actually think it's going to be a great thing
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for his career to have been there with Kirk Cousins.
You see Kirk kind of cheerleading him on now being unselfish.
So you marry up the weapons that they have offensively,
and then the potential that Pennix has.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
My question would be, is this really what you want
to do? Kind of be developing learning on the fly
as you have a chance to win your division, and
I think that's the tough decision. I think that's why
Atlanta waited so long to put him in as the starter.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Let's go back to somebody you've been critical of. But
in fairness, despite the drama around him, Caleb's not throwing picks.
I know it's not everything, but usually if a quarterback's
overwhelmed a rookie, he makes a lot of mistakes. Will
Levis Bryce young. Okay, let's go now to what Caleb is.
They're not winning. Have you changed your opinion on what
(15:51):
you see with him?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
No, and listen, I listen. I know he's a young quarterback,
and so I always feel badly being critical at all
of any young quarterback because you know, if someone looked
at me when I was a rookie, it would have
been a disaster. Okay, but this is a very strong
rookie class of quarterbacks, and I just think that like,
Caleb is the one guy to me that I don't
(16:15):
see the things that I believe are really important, that
I believe matter for sustained success for a long career.
I haven't seen that so much. So, yeah, is no interceptions,
Like great, that's awesome, but like, you also have to
learn to be an anticipator as a pastor. Jayden Daniels
do such an amazing job. He's a wait and see thrower.
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You can't take sacks that hurts your team. You're in
field goal range. Now you take an unnecessary sack. Now
we're punting, like you get got to learn to throw
the ball away. You got to know where your hots are.
You got to move protection so that you know you're
not hurting your team. Body language is a huge thing
to me. I don't I don't love what I see
out of him. You know, so, are there wild plays?
(16:57):
Are there splash plays? Yeah, that's awesome. That's why you
were drafted so high. But if you're going to compare him,
and if I was just gonna like nameless faces, I
don't see the emblem on the helmet, I don't see
the name on the jersey. I don't know who was
picked first, second, third, whatever, I'm putting all those other
rookie quarterbacks, Jaden Daniels, Drake may Bow, Nix. In a week,
I might put Panix up there above Caleb. That's just
(17:21):
the film is the film, and my opinion is my opinion.
But we'll see if I'm being real, that's what I
would say.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
No, No, I love it, and you're more right than
I am on that stuff. So finally, I feel like
I've been defending Lamar Jackson for six years that he's
just and I al will say this. No, I mean
Elway felt perfect right like you had size, he had
arm running. He went to Stanford. Some players are developing
as pros, and I think Lamar's become a very nice
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They finally got him a number one in Za Flowers.
They always had a run game. I don't like to root,
but I want to see Lamar succeed in the postseason.
And I know he got tight last year. Where are
I thought he was so good against Pittsburgh. Where are
you now on Lamar Baltimore today? Do you feel good
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or is the anxiety creeping up for playoff Lamar for you?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No, No, I'm buying. I'm buying Baltimore. I love Lamar.
I think Lamar's in some weird way underrated because he's
an MVP winner. I mean he's He's probably the guy
that is got the best chance to unseat Josh Allen
as the MVP this year. I think Baltimore's exactly where
they need to be in terms of winning this division.
I thought he was outstanding against Pittsburgh. I thought he
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was the difference maker. And that was a big matchup,
you know, Lamar and the Ravens or Russell and the Steelers.
It was clear it was Lamar and the Ravens, and
so I think you're going to see more of that.
I think he's an outstanding player. And you know, when
you talk about the Titan, you know the quarterbacks that
could go toe to toe with Josh Allen, toe to
toe with Mahome, Like, who's that difference maker that makes
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everybody around him better? Who's the guy that intimidates defensive coordinators?
Lamar Jackson's got to be at the top of that list.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Well, I gotta ask you one more thing. When Detroit
did the trick play, I thought Ben Johnson the OC
was showing off to the Chicago brass. I'm like, why
would you run that play? Am I reaching, there is
that possible?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
No, you're one hundred percent right about that, And not
only just the game like this, but you know, coordinators
and play callers do that on like a nationally televised
game Monday night Football Sunday Night Football. They save it.
The funny thing is is most guys don't have the courage,
they don't have the stones to call it in that game.
You put a game, you put a trick play in
for the Bears, you end up calling it like seven
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weeks later. You know, I think, like to the Philly
Special against New England. You know, they probably didn't put
it in for New England. They probably were practicing it
like for eleven weeks and then they were like, you know,
I think it was Foles and Doug Peterson, They're like,
you want to just run Philly Special. We've been running
and practice the whole season. It's ready to roll, you know,
so now listen. I think Ben Johnson's been one of
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the most impressive play callers and kind of creative guys.
But yeah, that was that was a little bit of
a show off, a little bit of an audition, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Great seniors always man Youroa's money, love your stuff. Matt hasseback,
Thanks Bud, thank you calling yeah it. Peter Schreger also
noted that on Twitter, I'm watching it and as I
watched the play, I'm like, first of all, we all
like new stuff. We love trick plays. So I'm like,
that's a weird time to call that play against a
division team you're routing because you're going to face those
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guys two times a year, right, Like, you don't want
to rub it in. See you know, if you're the
Ravens and you're beating the Steelers, you may want to
hold back on rubbing it in with a trick play. Now.
I know Detroit's better than Chicago, but I thought that's
kind of a weird way. And then all of a sudden,
it's like, oh yeah, yeah, a little show off time,
a little audition for Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Did you see people saying why don't you save that
for a playoff game? My instant response is the smart,
good teams they're not falling for that crap. The Bears
are a bad team. Ebra Flus is not there. All
the guys are yelling fumble.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
If you heard the fumble fumble and then nobody's paying attention,
I would say there's no chance Ben Johnson goes to Chicago.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
None.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Why is he going there?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, I mean, if you're a coordinator and somebody triples
your pay and it's a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
City, Washington offered a triple and he said no, like
on the.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Private jet over there, like he didn't he didn't quite
know what Jaden Daniels would be. Yeah, I mean we
both like Jayden Daniels. We didn't think he'd be this.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
I like Drake May Moore and Jayden's been way better.
But Drake May's coming on strong.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Nobody should watch him May. But I still can't believe
that game. I mean, New England jumped right on.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Top of Buffalo Sleepy. Yeah, Josh Allen worse game since
that Texans disaster. You really think Ben Johnson's leaving Detroit
for Chicago, He would do that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I just think Chicago Bears in the division. It's a
blue blood franchise. They got some good players. This is
not a bad roster. No, it's a talented It's a
little bit like the Chargers job, where you've got pieces.
And I think Herbert was more proven than Caleb. Caleb's
still in the ascension stage, whereas everybody kind of knew
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Herbert was really good. But it's you know, they got
pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
They had like three hundred and fifty yards offense. Again,
now it was they're playing catch up. The whole time.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
But that's they got dudes, Chicago's Got dudes.
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Speaker 1 (23:35):
All right, welcome back in in a Monday. Matt Hasselbeck
was money, was he not? He's got his questions on
Caleb Williams. He's been consistent all year, and he's also
been consistent on he loves Jaden Daniels. Here's j Mack
with the news. No, no turn on the news. This
is the Herdline News.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Let's start with the Minnesota Viking Hollin what a story.
They are now thirteen and two after the win over
Seattle on the road and they got a shot at
the number one seed. I don't think they'll get it,
but they have a shot now.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Justin Jefferson was phenomenal yesterday. Ten catches for above forty
four to two touchdowns, including to go ahead touchdown late,
which was an amazing play by Darnold Jefferson just grittying
all over the place. I love this guy. He actually
like in this Minnesota team to the national title winning team.
He was on an LSU they won a lot of but.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah, yeah, we're coming together, you know, every single game
where we're finding different ways to overcome the adversity. These
close games are what make you know, championship teams, you know,
just just stand in it. Twenty nineteen when I won
a championship LSU was the same type of same type
of vibe, just the team just together, fighting for one
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another every single game.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
It definitely feels the same. Remember that LSU team beat
like eight rank teams. They were in just crazy dramatic
games and they kept winning all of them, and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Then they dropped seventy on somebody in a playoff game
or sixty seven. It was like a massive blowout.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, in Minnesota, I gotta tell you, with the Lions
defense losing really good players and the Packers are good
but still young. I look at Minnesota differently today than
I did six weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So regarding Coach of the Year, I know you love Peyton,
we like Harball, and obviously Dan Campbell's been great. I
think it's got to be O'Connell call. Under win total
was six and a half. Yeah, they've doubled that and
they're in the mix of the number one seed Sam Darnold,
who's you know putting in nicely. He's a reclamation project. No, oh, completely, yeah,
but I think this has to be the Coach of
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the year phenomenal story. I don't know how dangerous they are.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well, I don't even you know what's funny about this.
I'm gonna go old school. So remember, I know you
hate this, but Loutolfs and the legendary basketball coach had
so many great teams at Arizona, Arizona Wildcat. Yes, and
it was the one young team that had Miles side
Miles sign and got in and won the Natty. It
was the only Arizona loot team. Everybody's like, yeah, this
is not a national check. So they had no pressure
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and they won it. And it's really funny. Minnesota in
my lifetime has had all these teams. I mean I
grew up with the Purple People Eaters and they had
Fran Tarkan and they won game. And they've had a
lot of great teams the Moss years and this is
the one where they were picked fourth in division or
if you're optimistic, third, and even this season we paid
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attention to the Packers and the Lions and the Eagles,
and it's like they're really in a rare spot. They're
an excellent team and there's zero pressure even in their division.
There's more pressure on Chicago to get the right coach
than Minnesota to win a playoff game.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, you argue with some pressure on Sam Darnold yesterday
in Seattle, trailing in the fourth and they had no
run game to speak up and Donald gets digged up.
Remember he got kind of falled on the ankle. He
couldn't stand up quickly, and then like the next play
he scrambles and hits Jefferson. I don't know what to
make of this team. Like in their playoff prospects, they
just keep winning. And you made something. He said something
interesting about how Darnold could stay in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I think so. I texted an executive yesterday and I said,
you tell me this is not a great quarterback class.
Is Sam easily the best quarterback available? He goes yes,
and Minnesota's too smart to let him go. And this
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was an executive who respected the Vikings. He said, this
coach is too smart, this organization's too smart to let
him go.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
They they let Kirk Cousins go they didn't want to match.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, but cousin older, not athletic. They'd had him for years,
they'd seen a ceiling. When I watch Sam play, I
know he can be reckless, but I don't see a
lot of ceiling here. He keeps making plays with his
feet and his arm in big spot.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
What would if they think, hey, we can get ninety
percent of Sam's production out of JJ McCarthy on his
rookie contract, and then we can really stack here.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
You know who I think is hoping that the Titans
and the Raiders. I think they're both hoping.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
How much is Sam Darnold dominating with Kevin O'Connell. Is
he going to dominate with whatever the Raiders tried out
at OC?
Speaker 1 (28:09):
No? I think this is the best Sam. Can you
get eighty five percent of this out? Well?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Callahan I trust as an offensive guy, but it's outdoors,
it's Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's different.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
But what you go from Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and
Hawkinson to Calvin Ridley, a random tight end guy and
who else did Tyler Boyd? That's a massive drop.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
No, I think you're seeing the best of him, But
that doesn't mean he doesn't have value. I'm not paying
him fifty, but you're starting to get into that Daniel
Jones forty forty one ish.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You have to consider we used Daniel Jones as a
Brahmin and the Giants were a total train wreck the
second they gave him the money. They have to move
off Saquon and they can't win a damn game. So
you do that to Donald.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
I know, I think it's a very I think it's
a very fair conversation. But in Minnesota, I have a
hard time letting that thing go.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
At thirteen and two, Yeah, real Toughton. They do have
green Bay this week in a massive game before the
Detroit season finale. Next up is the Chiefs. They look good.
I'll give him this. They look good on Saturday. We
agree they didn't need luck to win this game. But
Chris Jones went down with a cap into in the
second half.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did you see the team rally around him? Not like
man When he went down, that whole defense just swarmed
to him. They knew it was trouble.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Jake Glazer is reporting it's a grade one cat strain.
His status for Wednesday up in the air. Now, listen,
I'm done guessing on the Chiefs. We thought Mahomes would
be hurt, you know, it, may not play, and they
rest him out. He was fine. So who knows what's
gonna happen with Chris Jones Chiefs from minus two and
a half at Pittsburgh Christmas Day on I believe in Netflix.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Is George Pickens plan. That's the plan. But we got
to see the injury portafore they went down. I'll take
Kansas City. This was the injured Mahomes and he looked
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Casey on the road. So Mike Tomlin in a epic
spot as a home dog that's supposed to be an AutoPlay,
mister tredd better.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
My trends have stunk, Yeah, they have.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
The final story is the worst team in New York.
It's not New York Giants. Ten straight l's and they
continue to tank for the number one pick. They're in
the clear now two and thirteen. They are officially in
line to have the number one pick. However, I wouldn't
pencil in Shador Sanders just yet. An NFL analyst, Brian
McFadden believes the Giants need to just blow the whole
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damn thing up and hit the reset button. Everyone must
go it feels like a locker room is gone, and
that is the ultimate sign of in terms of shaking
up personnel. McFadden obviously a former cornerbacks in the league,
He also believes Dion will not want Schedor to go
to New York. He's not the only one that thinks that.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Let me throw this out. You're good about this. You
could say, Brian Dable, fire him. If you're Brian Dabel,
I do believe getting Daniel Jones to a playoff win
will get you a second job. My guys in the
league think all the quarterbacks in this rookie class are
better than Shadur. You're stuck taking Shaduur. And my takeaway is,
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if I'm Brian Dable, forget the Giants wanting a reset.
If I'm Brian Dable and his agent, I want to reset.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Are you sure you're taking Shaduur over cam Ward?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Well, cam Ward has a better arm. I think he's
I think Cam's a better athlete with a better arm.
I think Shadeur is more ready to play in paulish.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
You want a celebrity quarterback or NFL quarterback? Which what
you want?
Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's a good Again, I don't think Shadeur is a
strong enough prospect to be a definitive number one. You
could argue your way out of it. I think Jalen
milro is going to go fifteenth through above two. I
do keep your eye on the Titans taking him.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Titans add I believe.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Or something like that, Titans add Kirk Cousins for one
year and draft Jalen Milk.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
By the way, Cleveland Browns are now had leap frog
the Raiders in the draft order. Here is the current
draft order. Giants that won, Patriots need an offensive line badly.
The Jags probably go Travis Hunter. I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I think all the team. I think every one of
those teams could trade down.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Five and six meet a quarterback. But the Deshaun Watson
Browns elements very interesting. Colin. Would they draft a Jalen
Milroe a Chador at five with Deshaun on the roster?
I mean, we saw dtr yesterday not happening Jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
That ain't it.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Jets are in prime position to get a nice pass rusher.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There credit no quarterback for that.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
J Mack with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the Herd Line News, America's honesty
broker has some thoughts on the Buccaneers and the Cowboys.
Where and what are the Cowboys today? If you're bad,
at least you have a plan, right, get a new coach,
get a new quarterback? Are the Cowboys in NFL?
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Quicksand be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays at noon eastern non a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
So Cowboy fans time for a little data from America's
honest steam broker. I am just the messenger, just relaying data.
No reason to get angry with me. But Cowboys starting
quarterbacks this season, Dak Prescott is three and five and
Cooper rushes four and three. Well, that Colin, there's a
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lot of oh passer rating. Cooper's is higher. Cooper ten touchdowns,
two picks, Dak eleven touchdowns, eight picks. And also Dallas
won a game rushing for just thirty one yards. Dak
Prescott has never done that in his career. He's been
very reliant on a strong run game. So you know,
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this is why Dallas is staring at third place is
that I've felt that Jerry is terrified to be irrelevant,
and I'm watching that game last night. I'm not watching
it for Dallas. I'm watching it for Baker Mayfield and
to see if the Buccaneers can secure their playoff spot,
which they didn't, which is a bummer because I kind
of felt like I was watching the better team lose
to a team that just had a couple of great plays.
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So now the Cowboys are in sort of that dreaded
NFL quicksand because they won. Right now, their draft order
is fifteenth and this is what many people consider to
be one of the weaker drafts in the last decade.
At the top, there's about nine really elite players. Usually
you get about sixteen to seventeen on average, and then
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you try to stay away from the end of the
first round where you're paying first round money, but it's
probably more of a second round player. This year you
got about nine guys that grade out as first round players.
So now you're right in the middle. It's hard to move.
It's not a year in which people want to move
up in the first round unless you have a top eight,
nine to ten pick, and Dallas doesn't have that. And
(34:56):
Cooper Rush is in a short list of very good
backup quarterbacks. Elite backup quarterbacks. But they weren't even the
most newsworthy team last night. I thought Tampa was. And
so generally, if you're not making the playoffs, let's say,
like Chicago, you have a plan. We got to get
(35:17):
a head coach. Washington's a great example of that. Washington
last year, bad team. We're cleaning house. That's a plan.
Denver was like, we got to go get a quarterback.
We got too much dead money with Russell Wilson. We
got to have a free quarterback for four years. So
generally speaking, Houston a couple of years ago, coach quarterback.
(35:37):
We're starting over. I like the idea of an NFL
team saying, hey man, we're starting over, or at least
be like the Chargers or the Bears, where we just
got to get the right coach. We like our quarterback.
I don't know what Dallas is. Jerry's the GM. You're
stuck with Dak and Mike McCarthy's winning games. And we've
(35:57):
said this, Mike McCarthy in big spots against great teams
drives me nuts with his clock management. But you can't
argue that Mike McCarthy is a bad coach. I mean,
I watched the Giants. That team looks like it's given up.
Dallas is playing hard. Every time I watch Dallas, I'm
like they're giving everything they got. I mean, that game
was so easy to mail in last night. Tampa had
(36:19):
everything to play for. Dallas has nothing to play for.
And I thought Dallas played a really good football and
I think they had the inferior team. I would take
Tampa's roster over Dallas's roster ten out of ten times.
So that's a nice win for them, and it doesn't
help me in the draft order, but it does help
Mike McCarthy probably save his job. But again, what is
(36:40):
the plan for next year? Here's Jerry After Proud of
his guys, Proud.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Of those guys born They wouldn't give it up out there,
So I'm real, real proud of him and Michae McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
He just won't let them not think they're playing for
the Souper Bowl out there. He won't let them do it.
So proud of that. Proud of the coach, yeah should be.
Here's the other Texas story. So it's the first round
of the college football playoffs. Don't take too much from it.
But I've said all year, I think I predicted this
Texas Ohio State will play for the Natty. Now, I
(37:13):
didn't think Ohio State was gonna stub their tow at
home against the Michigan team that couldn't pass. But Ohio
State looked great this weekend. I mean, that's as good
as anybody's played in any game this year. They were unbelievable.
But I watched Texas against Clemson, and I gotta tell you,
I look at Ohio State's passing game with Will Howard
and those receivers, and I watched Texas's secondary get beat.
(37:37):
I don't know. I don't know what to make of Texas.
I know they're gonna beat Arizona State, but I'm watching
the Longhorns this weekend. In my taking all this college
playoff stuff is there's a lot of bureaucracy whatever. I
like their running backs, but I feel like when I
watched Ohio State, even to the end, I felt they
were intentional. They had a mission. They were a torpedo
(38:00):
and cleats and they wanted to make a statement. I
just feel like Texas is talented, and I just I
feel like they leave so many opportunities on the edit
room floor. So I don't know, what to make. They're
now a fourteen point favored over Arizona State, so they
opened I think thirteen thirteen and a half. So it
(38:21):
tells you there's probably some sharp money on Texas. And
I do think Arizona State's a much better story than
a team. Ohio State's very good. I think they'll beat
Oregon close in the Rose Bowl. They've been there before.
What do you make of Texas? Because I thought Clemson
had a lot of push. I know they got beat
by a couple of touchdowns, but I thought Clemson. I think,
if you're Ohio State and a team that can throw
(38:44):
from this point forward, I thought Clemson moved the ball
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah you mentioned it. Three hundred and thirty six yards passing,
three touchdowns, seven point eight yards per at ten. These
aren't like real passes. They were throwing the ball down
the field. Yeah yeah, I didn't great. I didn't love it.
I like Dillingham, the ASU coach, a lot. Yes, clever quarterback.
We'll see he's you know, he's all right.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Do you know they were Do you know Arizona State
was picked for sixteenth in their conference? I mean there was,
they were. They were literally the Pac twelve's like we're disbanding,
go find your own conference. That's one of the Cinderella
stories of all times.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
So one angle that you could look into. You know,
you just said Texas Ohio State playing for the nanny,
Well they would play in the semie.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right Texas. Well, No,
we had thought, let's look at let's look at let's
look at the bracket.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Again, play in the semi final.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Okay, I think I would take Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Okay, is Texas going to be overlooking a two touchdown
dog for a big matchup against Ohios?
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I think Ohio State matches up really well with Texas
really well.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
See the problem is Ohio State and Oregon are gonna
be each way.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Look at this. Look at Penn State's route. So Penn
State gets SMU at home, now at Boise State, and
then they get a play the winner of Notre Dame Georgia,
which is going to be fit Is it cool run?
Because because George's got a backup quarterback, so that's going
to be incredibly physical. Marcus Freeman's teams play. It's physical football.
So then Penn State, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know, Clatt came on here and mentioned the reseed
and I was I kind of scoffed. I was like,
come on, looking at this, Clatt was onto something like
this just doesn't seem right, if that makes any.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Sense, right right?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
No, I mean I think Boyse's gonna be live in
that one.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
What a shame is It's crazy. The Ohio State Oregon
game could be the game of the year in college football,
followed by the second best game of the year in
college football Texas, Ohio State or Oregon shouldn't. The way
you should do the seeding is you'd get those guys
in the end.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
This is a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Right, It's no question.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Let's not overreact. All these people saying cut it to
eight teams, now, that's nonsense. I think this is tremendous.
I love the games, even though they were blowouts. It
helped that I nailed all of them correctly.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Listen, the road teams got smoked.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
That Notre Dame Georgia game is really interesting because you.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Know, Georgia is like a one and a half point favorite.
USC passed it all over Notre Dame. That's not how
Georgia breaks. No, I think Georgia's got overall a better roster.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
The trenches will be everything that Georgia defensive line. They
got like three first round picks in their front seven.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Oh, basically Texas, Texas versus the winner of Oregon Ohio
State would be at the Cotton Bowl. Oh, that's basically
a home game for Texas. Indeed, I don't mind that
because I think Texas has earned that. Penn State's road
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