January 27, 2025 • 43 mins
He tells you why he was right about Eagles running back Saquon Barkley and wrong about former Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy
More on the Chiefs win over the Bills and what Colin doesn't like about Buffalo's offense
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Here we go. It's hour two and to Monday, Chiefs
Eagles Super Bowl. I like the team in red. I
think give me time two weeks away, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
all right, Matt Hasselbeck's a couple of minutes out. We
got a lot of stuff to discuss. I had to
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talk Jmac yesterday through text off the ledge. He was
getting all worked une and I said, there's thirteen minutes
left in the game. Can't be it can't be your
life preserver. You got to get past that fourth and inches.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I tell you, I think I've seen this movie before.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Kiv, Come on, it's every cheas Bills game. Ask yourself
this what if talton Kin, Kate catches that. Yeah, just
just one play.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
If you look at the the old twenty two, you'll
see Shakir. Remember the play Jeremiah Smith ran against Notre
Dame wide open. Shakira was open, but the corner blitz
came and Allen didn't have time to think back.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, I got him and they and they knew which
corner to blitz because they knew where Josh was rolling.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know who the real MVP is, Spagnolo. He was
the MVP of the Super Bowl. He was the MVP
of this game last night. Right, the one blitz wouldn't
matter in the highest levered spot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I said when Saquon Barkley, I said at March eleventh,
He's going to be gigantic for Philadelphia because of their
wide receiving talent and because of their own line, you
won't be able to jam the box. Those safeties will
have to play outside, and Barkley's gonna have record setting years.
If you look at the mobility of Hurts an offensive coach,
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their on line, their wide receiving talent, it's just absolutely unthinkable.
The New York Giants rolled the dice and let Saquon Barkley.
March eleventh, I said it. People don't like paying running backs.
I would pay running backs. Fletcher Cox left the game,
they had some money. I was a huge fan of
the move, not just because remember at the time, everybody
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was like, whoa running backs? Barkley was the perfect fit,
the icing on a great cake.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Friday, I said, Kansas City, the jig is up twenty eight,
twenty seven, Buffalo. They're too talented, and I thought they were,
and if Dalton Kink catches that ball, they could still win.
But this reductionist fourth and one Josh Allen gets the
ball every time. Stuff doesn't work for me at all.
And in the end, once again Mahomes read in spags elevate, expand,
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not contract. In the playoffs where Colin was right, I
like Sean Dermott. I think he's Mike McCarthy on the
defensive side of the ball. But good coaches don't win
against great quarterbacks and coaches. I said this in big games,
where's his defense against Kansas City? They're scoring thirty five
points every time these two teams meet in the playoffs.
I also think he gets tight. I also think on
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those fourth and ones it felt like they were just
sort of ad libbing it and letting Josh do what
Josh needed to be done. I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Where Colin was wrong, I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
On Nick Sirianni. I don't like the method. But players
love him, Philly loves him, City loves him, and the
GM and the coach love him. His playoff record now
is five and three. He has had multiple coordinators. He
may be more coordinator driven than a lot of coaches,
but he's an emotional guy that lives on the edge,
and the team in the locker room respond to him,
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and that's really what coaching is. The Lions respond to
Dan Campbell, the Chargers respond to Jim Harbaugh. So much
of this sport is taking alpha male pro athletes and
do they buy into the messaging? And in Philadelphia with
Nick Sirianni, I was wrong. They do every Sunday. Where
Colin was right, I predicted when Brian Schottenheimer news came out,
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I said, if he gets hired, this is going to
be met with utter outrage and dismay. This will not
just be a mediocre coaching higher fourteen years as a coordinator,
first time he's been even discussed as a head coach,
and Jerry Jones did a ten pm Friday news dump
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for those that were awake. It was met with outrage
in the Cowboy community and beyond, this is just not
a good enough hire.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I thought Xavier Worthy of Kansas City, who had a
season high in yards, I thought as a first round pick,
he'd probably end up being a gadget guy. Four or
five plays a game yesterday, over one hundred yards of
TD seven targets. He felt like yesterday he can be
either a number one, whether Rashi Rice or a one A.
But Kansas City, and this is what they're prone to do.
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They tend to develop players, especially wide receivers and targets
over the course of a long season. And Worthy, who
I remember the first game he played. I think he
had a touchdown in his first game or a couple
of big plays, and I thought that's just what he's
gonna be. But he was a volume receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yesterday, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. When his name first
came out, it was dismissed he was too old, and
I'm like Pete Carroll age is not the issue. In fact,
even in Seattle his last two years in winning seasons
with Gino Smith in a tough division, so he got
pushed back early and I didn't understand it. I think
Pete's a very good coach. Now, do I think sometimes
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he's too loyal to assistance? I don't love, yes, but
that's probably a good human quality. It's not a great
coaching quality sometimes. But a lot of people dismissed Pete Carroll.
Raiders didn't smart, teams.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Didn't Where was wrong? Well, I thought when.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Mike McCarthy bailed on the Cowboys, next to Mike Vrabel,
he'd be the number one candidate. And there's only one
job left, and I'm not sure he's going to get
the Saints job. He didn't even interview for other jobs. Now,
is that McCarthy's choice? Is he looking at all the
openings and saying New England, Chicago? After that? I'm not interested.
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But I thought he would be a hot coaching candidate
and he's not. Where Colin was right, I not only
picked Ohio State to be in the National Championship when
they lost to Oregon at Dotson, I said they'd be
in the National Championship. When they lost to Michigan, I said,
stop it. I think they're still odds on favorite to
play for the National Championship. I thought Ryan Day and
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Chip Kelly did what he was hired to do. I
just ran into Skip Friday. Is that kind of as
the NFL and college now feel kind of more seamless.
Now you have a big playoff in college like the pros.
Guys are getting paid like the pros. You're gonna need
the kind of emotional guy in Chip Kelly that can
build like pro game plans, keeping some stuff, showing other stuff.
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There's a different way to coach now, not just go
to the Citrus Bowl. You got game after game after
game against the best teams and coaches, and a lot
of people bailed on Ohio State and Ryan Day, but
I felt even after the losses to Michigan and Oregon,
they were as good as anybody in the country. Colin right,
Colin wrong. And with that we bring in Matt Hasselback
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eighteen years street Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. You know you
never waivered on Philadelphia. The louder they got, the more
you like them, and yeah, I mean really, it's funny.
It's like, I don't like their methodology at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I was apologizing for like listen, everyone was calling for
Ryan Day's head and they were calling for Nick Sirianni's head.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Like.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
It's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Now, I remember sticking up for Philly on this show. Yeah,
like right before they were going to play Tampa and
everybody that I know that's a Philly they were like, Oh,
you don't know our team, you don't know our coach,
you don't know our drama. And I'm like, wait, you said,
why do I like your team more than you like
your team?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And I joke, this is the fan base that Boo's
Santa Claus, but I certainly feel like they're excited about
Nick Sirianni and company.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now, yeah, you know it's interesting. Jalen Hurts. I think
he's really good. I don't know if he's great, but
I will say this, Matt about four times a game
he has asked to make an eighteen twenty twenty one
yard throw. And you know what, in the moment, I
trust him. I trust him in these big moments. I
don't know if it's pretty, it doesn't look aesthetically as
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nice as others. But boy, in these big moments, he's
got that, and a lot of you guys had this,
You had this. He doesn't get too high or low.
I just feel like he's got the perfect temperament to
be a quarterback in these highly dramatic games.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, he's one of the best that I've ever seen
in terms of not getting too high or too low
responding to the moment. Questions with him have obviously been health.
You know, he had the knee injury. But then also
you heard Tom Brady allude to it during the broadcast.
He said, you know, sometimes he'll knock him the team
out of field goal range, trying to do something with
his legs, doing a little whirllybird, you know, spinning out
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of something that he doesn't need to. He could throw
the ball on time. But I thought what he did
really well yesterday is while he did that, the play
ended in a throwaway, he protected the team by protecting
field position that way, and really I thought he was outstanding.
Now he's going up against Patrick Mahomes, just like last time,
he's going to get not judged, not only on the stats,
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at who he is as a passer. But if you
remember in the matchup last time in the Super Bowl,
he played pretty well except he fumbled one time and
it was a scoop and score for the Chiefs that
ended up being a three point game, And so he's
going to have to be flawless in all areas of
his game to get the win this time.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So one of the things, and I really want to
break this down, so one of the things they do
well is their tush push. Buffalo felt very ad lib
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I did not like them. I would give the ball
to James Cook, who I think is one of the
most underretted players in the league, not only his position
that period, James Cook is a tremendous player. So when
I watched the toush push of Buffalo, I'm like, guys,
you got a whole playbook. But for some reason with Philly,
I feel like, well, that's their play like, that's what
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they do. How do you view it?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
No doubt?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I mean when you look at those two teams, it's
chess versus checkers. If you go back and watch how
both those teams lined up in that exact same situation,
third and one fourth and one short yardage situation. Philly,
they know what they're doing. They're liningm in or low.
There's eleven people around the ball. Everybody's pushing. If not,
you've got a decoy like plays off of it. You
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got big people in there. You look at Buffalo, people
are spread out. You're in three wides, your tight ends,
not even on the line of scrimmage. You've made it
easier for Kansas City. You heard Jim Nansen when he
rom we're talking about, Hey, we know he likes to
come to his left. The predictability for Buffalo was a major,
major problem. And then on a couple of them, the
one where Josh jumps over the top, you got a
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wide receiver back there dancing and celebrating, where Philly like
they're all dialed in. Eleven guys matter on this play
until the whistle blows, and so like they're gonna sit
they're gonna sit around and say, oh, we got a
bad spot that one time. But the truth of the
matter is you lacked creativity. You just said, hey, Josh,
go get a go put your Superman cape on and
just go get us a yard, go get us a
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yard and a half. No, it doesn't work that way.
Philly does it differently than the rest of the league.
It's a copycat league. But this was a This was
like a poor imitation in terms of the QB sneak.
One team does it really well. The other team is
going home because they didn't do it as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, and I feel like about every third time Buffalo's
Josh Allen is looking to pitch it, which is nightmare scenario.
Just like you six seven guy up there perks up
atop trying to it.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So I in Colin, if you remember early this season,
the Philadelphia Eagles were taking a lot of heat in
the first month of the season because they weren't good
at the tush push. And I said it then, I said,
you know, most teams have to get ten yards. The
Philadelphia Eagles have mastered this play, so they have to
get like eight and a half nine yards to get
a first down because they're automatic. Early in the year
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and people were saying, oh, they don't have Jason Kelsey,
they don't. I do believe there's detail to how these
guys are getting it done in Philly that other teams
don't have.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So there's so much to unpack in the Chiefs Bills game.
I've said this, whenever you get two Titans, you're always
going to complain about officiating. If I recall you were
in a super Bowl against Pittsburgh, I swear to God
every call went against you.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You had.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, in fact, the Pittsburgh postcausette the next day
to the poll and they said the Seahawks got host.
So you've been in these big games. But here's why
I'm going to defend Kansas City. First, I didn't like
the fourth and one stuff by Buffalo. Second, the Dalton
Kink drop. The other thing is I understand physical football wins,
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but essentially they ran the ball sixteen out of seventeen
times to start the second half, and I'm like, wow,
that's really restrictive. You could do that with a lot
of quarterbacks. I'm not even doing that with Jalen Hurts,
forget Josh Allen. I didn't love some situational, circumstantial coaching
by the Bills, so I'm not gonna give you that argument.
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I felt Spags and Andy Reid had great days. I
didn't think Brady and McDermott had necessarily great days or
am I off there?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I was really disappointed in the short yardagn goal
line plan, the two point plan. I was really disappointed
in that, But I would put more blame on First
of all, I don't think the Buffalo Bills defense is
very good.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I don't think they showed up like if.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
They want to complain for a reason, like why they
didn't win the game, they didn't play well. I thought
the defensive calls were fine. I think they need to
play better in the back end, and that's just a fact.
But other than that, I would say the guys around
Josh Allen need to step up the way the guys
around Patrick Mahomes stepped up. I mean that Xavier Worthy catch, Yeah,
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I mean it really. First of all, could have been
a sack. He could have knocked him out a field
goal range. Then he throws it up and it could
have been an interception. Except what except a guy on
Patrick Mahomes's team went above and beyond and made a
play that was a difference making play for his team.
Now it's first and goal from the three yard line
after that play on the flip side, I just don't
think the guys around Josh Allen made those plays. You
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mentioned the drop at the end of the game. Yes,
was it a great call by Steve Spagnola, Yes it was.
Did Did did Josh Allen do something heroic and give
his guys a chance to be in field goal range
and send it to overtime?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yes he did. Yes he did.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And again, like I just think the people around these
star quarterbacks stepping up or not stepping up has been
the difference and quite honestly the biggest thing for me.
I mentioned it Buffalo's defense. I just they just did
not play well enough to deserve to be in the
super Bowl in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, I was saying this, Tiger Woods wore the
red on Sunday, Mahomes red on Sunday, Michael Jordan. There
is something about this is that Michael did this to people.
Tiger definitely did it to people, and Mahomes is doing
it to people. They get in your head is that
we all watch the highlights on Tiger Woods. The gallery.
You know, a golfer would be on the two holes
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behind Tiger and the gallery would scream and he knew
that Tiger hit a great shot and all of a sudden,
now are you grabbing a different club in the bag.
What's interesting about Mahomes is that he rushed eleven times yesterday.
He rushes four times a game. I thought from the
first series on Matt that and maybe you've witnessed this
in your career. The great players get almost more aggressive
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in big games. I don't know if they feel a
need to do it a responsibility, but I think Mahomes
feel different every time he plays Buffalo. He feels different to.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Me, I kind of I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And I thought Josh Allen as well as he played yesterday,
he started out kind of shaky. And I thought the
Buffalo defense started out a little bit shaky, like they
you know, they would see it was play action, the move,
the pocket type play and they would turn their back
and just sprint to the receivers like eliminate, like not
even thinking that, hey, Patrick Mahomes can use his legs
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and run for these first downs, run for these touchdowns.
I just thought they were off balanced themselves. But even
when it was a good play called defensively, you saw
guys getting picked off. You got Tamar Hamlin one on
one against Xavier Worthy mismatched to quick five yard out route.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
It would have been a touchdown in flag football.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It just to me, it just was not It wasn't
a championship performance by the defense, And it was like
they were surprised that Patrick Mahomes can use his legs
as well as he did, and that should be no
surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
By now, you are part of a Super Bowl that
was largely viewed as a poorly officiated super Bowl. So
you tell me, how do players because fans complain about it,
I don't hear. I don't hear players a lot complaining
about it. How do you view in a big game
officiating on close calls? Did your coach tell you not
to worry about it? How'd you view it?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, well, the players are just afraid to get fined
like that. So whatever anybody says at the podium, you
just choose your words so carefully. Some guys do it well,
they say like, oh, it's us against everybody. You know,
they beat around the bush. Other guys they have to
learn the hard way by getting fined. No, I think
it comes down to control what you can control. But
when you talk about the spot, right, when you talk
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about like everyone just expects Jordan Tiger Woods, Patrick Hoholmes
to do it. The fans expect it, Like you wonder
like these refs are human? Do they just sort of
expect it? Are they almost just like, yeah, we kind
of know what's going to happen here. So I do
think this year, in the offseason, I do think they
will introduce some sort of change to how we measure
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a first down. Like you watch tennis, you watch baseball,
you watch golf. They have technology that can tell you
where a ball goes by the centimeter. Why can't we
do that in football? Why do we still have a
bunch of old retired guys holding the chain and say, oh, yeah,
ten yards is like right about there, one ref on
one side, the other official on the other side.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Traditionally you try out.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
New technologies like that in the Pro Bowl or in
four preseason games. We no longer have a Pro Bowl.
We no longer have four preseason games. So when are
they going to work the kinks out of technology? I
don't know, but I would expect that there's going to
be at least somebody lobbying for a change in how
we measure a first down going.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Forward, Philadelphia the better maybe roster Kansas City coach quarterback
edge is, do you have an initial interpretation or opinion
on the Super Bowl matchup.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, my opinion is that you know, the Chiefs will
start out as the favorites and then you know all
the degenerate types in Philly will bet on the Eagles
and a changement. But there truly is an excitement right
now with the Philadelphia Eagles with their fan base.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
You know, I don't know if the Chiefs are quite
as excited.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
They're like, yeah, we expected to be here, but like
Philly is rocking right now. I think New Orleans is
going to be rocking for that reason, and there will
be a movement here. You play great defense, you run
the ball really well at a historic rate, you can
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
That is absolutely a formula that people believe in.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And so you could sell the story like, hey, if
you're going to take down the mighty Kansas City Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
This is how you do it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This is how you neutralize a great pass rush. Should
be a great matchup. If you love the passing game,
you're going for the Chiefs. If you love the running game,
great defense, sound defense, you know you're going for You're
going for the Eagles. And I would say, like, just
having gone against Spags many times in my career, I'm
thinking like he's one of the toughest guys to go against.
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One of the best things you can do against an
exotic blitz critical moment type team is run right at them,
run right at their blitz, their blitz in your protection.
You make sure their gap sound in what they're doing
with their blitz schemes, and so for that reason, this
should be an epic matchup.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Finally, you're the GM and they've got a good one
in Washington. What are the two or three pieces maybe
in the draft or free agency, Matt, give me two
or three pieces you would add to Jaden Daniels going forward.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
You have to improve that defense. Like that defense, I mean,
when you look at the success the rookie quarterbacks have
traditionally had in this league, they've got like a top
five defense. He has a bottom half defense, like they
are not anywhere near matching the level of talent that
he has.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
He is carrying that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Team, unlike what's happened with other rookie quarterbacks, where the
defense carries them. Invest in that defense, make them better. Now,
also understand the division that you're in. You're going up
against Philly. They got a great D line, so you
better make sure that it's at least a wash.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It's not a.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Huge liability with who you have upfront protecting him. And
then I do think, because he is such an elite talent,
if you could pair him with an elite another weapon
in the passing game wherever you want to find that,
whether it's wide receiver, somebody out of the back, whatever,
he's that talented that I think that it's a worthy
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investment to go find him somebody that's uncoverable with formational matchups.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I think both Buffalo and Washington should spend the
draft getting these star quarterbacks a better defense support system.
I felt the same way with Buffalo. I'm like, I
like their offense, they'll probably lose Amari Cooper, like their backs,
like their O line, like their quarterback, like their tight ends.
I think the losing team this weekend at some point
could not make stops in big moments. Matt Hasselback eighteen years,
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You've been so great for We'll have you on a
couple of times before the season closes. Thanks buddy, nice hat.
That's next.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Fun you in California next week?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I oh, there we go. That is fantastic. Matt Hasselbeck
will be out here in California. By the way, he's
wearing that hat. That's a Nick Foles nick Foles's company.
By the way, you can look that up. Give Nick
Foles a little I mean guy Philly special and we're
talking Philly today. I gotta give him a little love.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You know, I'm really over like people on the internet
yelling at you. But somebody just dropped an interesting nugget them.
You are you ready for this Super Bowl? So who
did the Eagles beat to win their last Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Nick Foles beat somebody in New England.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If the Eagles can take down Patrick Mahomes, they will
have beaten in the Super Bowl. Brady and Mahomes. That's
not bad for this core in Philadelphia. A lot of
them are still here from the Nick Foles days. That
would be pretty impressive. No, taking down the two best
quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Listen, the better defenses and the more efficient offenses one
and you talk about officials all you want on big plays.
Philadelphia and Kansas City were better, and the Bills and
the Commander's defenses just stacked up. I agree, with Hasselback.
I was watching Philadelphia. I thought Buffalo could not stop Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Philly hasn't really been tested this postseason, right, we would
agree with that, like the Packers kind of struggle down
the stretch. Washington House money. Regardless of what Dan Quinn
wants to say, this is a massive step up in class.
The three best teams all season were Buffalo, CAC and Philly. Right,
pretty much, Detroit's in there and Baltimore's in there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I'm excited. I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's gonna be a good one.
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Speaker 3 (24:17):
All right, Let's start with chiefs, Bills.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And the real MVP.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Spags aka Steve Spagnolo, the sixty five year old defensive coordinator,
dialed up just a perfect corner blitz to force Josh
Allen into that final pass that Dalton Kin kid dropped
Chiefs defensive tackles. Chris Jones said, as long as they
continue to let Spags be r DC and not hire
him as a head coach, We're going to continue to win.
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For me, he's one of the greatest assistant coaches to
ever coach a game. He look at his resume, He's
got one of the greatest resumes. He finds a way
to close. That's what Spags does. Colin, he was a
head coach. By the way, Spagnola, I had to look
this up.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, he struggled a long fifty two games.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
His record as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was a disaster. And by the way, there are
a lot of people out there that are better co
pilots than lead pilots. Yep, there's nothing wrong with that.
His personality. He is an expert on one side of
the ball. And I thought about this a lot. Josh McDaniels,
look at all the rings he's got. He's two. Okay,
that's fine. So many things go in to being a one,
(25:23):
and a lot of it is do you have expert team.
Jimmy Johnson, the classic walkaround coach. He was good at personnel,
he was good at personality. Bill Parcells great at personnel,
great at personality, creating mini conflicts, but conflicts not big
enough to overtake the team. Parcels constantly had little squabbles,
little silos. He wanted people worked up and agitated, but
(25:44):
they were never they never got in the way of winning.
There are so many psychological factors that the Jimmy's and
the Parcels and the Belichicks understand, and it's just some
guys are built to be great specialists.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Like Vic Fangio's another one. Right, he had his chance,
got a head coach. He's now sixty six years old.
He's an amazing defensive coordinator. He downs with some of
the best stuff. So is almost part of the key
to building a staff is to maybe skew a little
older as opposed to getting these these tryhard thirty one
year olds who really can't wait for their chance to
(26:19):
be at number one, because everybody wants to be a
number one. Right, So you're building staffs and I don't.
I mean, we got Ask yourself this, we got two
defensive coordators in the Super Bowl who have passed their
window to be a head coachche and they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Ask yourself this, What have the last two dynasties in
the NFL had among their coaching a great coach who
is the best in the world at their side of
the ball Belichick defense, Andy Meat offense, and then a complementary,
world class a plus plus coordinator on the other side,
(26:52):
Spags for Andy, Josh McDaniels for Belichick, right like like
like you can you can have both your best coaches
be on the defensive side. But when Houston popped that
one year, it was Demiko and then it was Bobby Slowick.
Like you could argue that's why I said Aaron lenn
was valuable in Detroit more, maybe more than Ben Johnson
(27:13):
because Campbell's an offensive guy, Aaron Lenz the defensive guy.
And it just seems to me that the Patriots and
the Chiefs are very similar beyond the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
So even the Niners, like, I mean, that staff has
been pillaged, McDaniel, so many of the guys have gone on.
It's tough to keep the continuity. It's almost like Shanahan
has to go up. We need to bring in some
older coordinators who aren't going to be looking to make this.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's interesting if you're a head coach, you know, Andy
Reids knows Spags is probably a two. He would certainly
give him, you know, much praise if somebody called. Nobody's called,
that's right. I think Spags is viewed asn't is the
best court dick lea Bowl for the Steelers for him
and few as the best defensive coach in the game.
And that's what he was. He was an unbelievable specialist.
(28:01):
You're gonna find most dynasties have a number two coach,
and that's what he is. He is a number two.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, let's move on to the Cowboys. They introduced Brian
Schottenheimer as the franchise's tenth head coach earlier today. Kind
of an awkward when you see the video, it's a
little awkward column. Yeah, Dallas only interviewed four potential coaches
for the job. I think the Jets and Bears were
like a fifteen plus some insame number. Here's what Jerry
had to say about his.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
New head coach.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
If you don't think I can to operate out of
my comfort zone. You're so wrong, it's unbelievable. This is
as big a risk as you could take, as big
a risk as you could take, no head coaching experience.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Anybody in this room that.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Doesn't believe the apple doesn't go far from the tree
has missed it someplace down the road, especially if there
was an effort to make it that way, and there
was an effort.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Timer tried to look stoic.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But the more Jerry rambles, it's almost like when you're
raising kids. The longer the answer, the less truthful it is.
Did you eat a cookie for dinner? They tell you
a story they had a cookie? Yeah, did you did
you sneak into the refrigerator? Long answer? Untruthful? No, probably truthful.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It's just it's just not greatened out. The best take
I heard. I don't know if we talked about this Friday.
It might have been over the weekend. But is that
Schottenheimer's just like a holding is just a placeholder for
a year. The Cowboys are going to be bad next year,
four or five, six wins, they're not going to be good, right,
and then maybe you get arch Manning in the draft.
But I heard them find someone to come in and
be a big time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He shay, I heard that. Are we sure arch Manning?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Is he a two year starters?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I think he's more mobile than quin you weres and
I like arch Manning, I don't love him. I don't
think he's cam Ward and cam Woard sort of a
beatroub War.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's a twenty two or something. I mean, it would
be great if Texas went after Jeremiah Smith or something too,
something that they're receiving core. They lost their top two receivers.
But like I just I don't know what the end?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What's he ask yourself? This too? This is viewed as
a below average higher It is also the second to
last job filled. So first of all, you're gonna build
a better staff like Mike Rabel's gonna get his choice
of guys. Same with Harbaugh, because they're viewed as, oh,
(30:25):
this is a this is a ten year job potentially
for me and my family and my kids. With Schottenheimer,
New England, the Jets, all these teams, Chicago, they've all
got a lead on Dallas on filling out their staffs.
So you're getting a c to a C minus higher.
That's how it's viewed in football. And now you're getting
(30:46):
a D to a D minus opportunity on staffing because
Liam Cohen's gobbling up the offensive guys, Ben Johnson's gobbling
up the best offensive guy. Aaron Glenn and Rabel are
gobbling up the best defensive guys. So again, it'd be
one thing if McCarthy's staff, I mean, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer,
you know the sense it does a big boy stah.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
That's the kind of thing where Schottenneimer hired somebody that says, say, PS,
don't go buy in a house, just just rent. I
don't know, I don't think I was gonna take out.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
If Schottenneimer would have been hired first, you'd have a
much greater opportunity to build a staff. But when you
hire him next to last, I mean, that's like, why
the Saints, what are you waiting for? Get it done?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Not great? Final story, Colin is my Jets. They brought
in former first root pick and Lions defensive coordinator Aaron
Glenn is their new head coach. He's meeting the media
right now. Actually, here's what Fox NFL insider Jake Glazer
said yesterday about Glenn in his quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Aaron Glenn, we know he's the new head coach of
the Jets. We don't know who the quarterback is.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Going to be.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Talk to Aaron Glenn this morning.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He said, I've planned to go meet with's. Aaron Rodgers
will definitely come up up with the decision much.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't want to drag this out. Yeah, I would
keep Aaron for one more year. I'd have no problem. Aaron,
I thought down the stretch, seven of eight games played. Well,
I know you're tired.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Let's see it on the street.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And the producers built it. Let's see it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Let's see it the last ten games.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Aaron Rodgers, he was cooking with gas. Oh my gosh
at it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If we're now no contact, so we don't know the
opponents turrety out of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Contact good time out. The opponents were NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yet bad ones. Okay, come on, anyways, what's real interesting
is here. I don't want to drag this out, Okay.
Aaron Glenn is putting Rogers on the clock. I don't
care if you're in Katmandu or if you're in a
Darkness retreat. We need this solve.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
How do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to take that? Colin?
I wanted to answer now, I don't want to wait
till March.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
By the way, here's how Aaron will take it. When
he pushed off his last team, green Bay came out
of the Darkness Retreat and they bailed on him. I
think Aaron sensitive. He now knows even though you're Aaron Rodgers,
teams need to get going. So Aaron had a bad
situation in green Bay. He said, oh, they'll be patient
for me, and green Bay smoked him.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You think he's that selfh No, no, no, you're giving him
too much credit.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
No. I think Aaron's smart. I think he's complex. He
doesn't want to be told what to do.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
That's coming. That is so obvious. His personality is, well,
I'm smarter than you. Don't pressure me in anything. I'm
gonna do me.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
A lot of great athletes don't want to be told
what to do. Aeron's not alone that Aaron, You're not
great anymore. Sorry, well, new flesh, you're not great.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
To puck that graphic up you you were passable for
ten days.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He was b plush down the street.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
And it didn't matter because they were in the basement and.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Watch spreading water. Well, those the last ten games, he
was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, you know what I can cook in June on
this show after the NBA Finals, I could be on
fire with takes. Okay, here's the matter, football takes.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay, okay, here's the last ten games. Here's four of
the teams he faced, Bill's Rams, Texan Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
How many of those they win? Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, that's a team you're just asking me, how about that?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I remember now that you're you would have mentioned Seahawks.
Remember that missed the wide open textown here it Wilson.
Next play the fat guy on the defensive line tips
it runs a back ninety yard loss.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just stop stop pumping him up.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He's not good anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I think he's good. I don't think we've got other options.
He's hold on Drew Brees. Next hour, Jmak with a news.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
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Speaker 1 (36:02):
I am One of the things I focused on a
lot in the first hour and the top of this
hour is how good in situational football? I felt Kansas
City was getting big chunk plays on big downs and
making big stops on big defensive plays. I did not
like the continuing reliance on one player, Josh Allen in
(36:29):
Buffalo's Push Push, You got a great back, use him right.
This is a six to seven quarterback, he's not hurt
small who submerges into the best O line arguably in
the game. I totally get Philadelphia. I do not like,
And again my take was I think he got it.
(36:51):
I think he did. I wasn't really sure, like it's
you know, it's a go either way call to me.
I thought he got it. Here Hasselbeck on two for
six and counting two point conversions on the tush push.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
When you look at those two teams, it's chess versus checkers.
If you go back and watch how both those teams
lined up in that exact same situation, third and one,
fourth and one short yardage situation. Philly, they know what
they're doing. The truth of the matter is you lacked creativity.
You just said, hey, Josh, go get a go, put
your Superman cape on and just go get us a yard,
(37:27):
Go get us a yard and a half. No, it
doesn't work that way. Philly does it differently than the
rest of the league. It's a copycat league. But this
was a this was like a poor imitation in terms
of the QB sneak. One team does it really well.
The other team is going home because they didn't do
it as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at it, Philadelphia is
all in with a significantly better all line three of
the bills spread out wide. Again, it is so predictable.
And look how small for our televisions. Look at Jalen Hurts.
You can barely see him in the picture. If, by
the way, if the Eagles had dark pants instead of
(38:07):
white pants. You couldn't see him. He's almost already submerged
below the line. And Washington, for the record, was missing
their best defensive lineman. So this was an advantage going
into the game. Now in a greater advantage if you
watch Buffalo, well, I mean, the best talent outside of
McDuffie on this defense is all up front for Kansas City.
(38:30):
So I mean, and look how prominent Josh Allen is.
And Josh Allen will often leap in the air. So
he's six six and a half six seven to begin with,
and he'll leap up in the air, making himself a
bit of a pinata. So I thought that was a
big part of the game. I think the Dalton Kincaid
drop was a huge part of the game. Blame officials,
(38:51):
I get it. That's what teams do in close games
between iconic quarterbacks, I think. I think the other thing
is the Nick Siriani. You know, he's just different. He
feels like coach slash fan. I mean, he really does.
He He kind of talks like it, he sounds like it,
and after the win he sort of dresses like it.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
This game is about overcoming adversity. There's gonna be good
plays in the game. There's gonna be a bad There's
gonna be bad plays in the game. There's gonna be
good moments in a season. There's gonna be bad moments
in the season. And it's and it's been the story
of you know, the twenty twenty three to the twenty
twenty four Eagles is as bad as feeling we had.
Is how last year ended. I think it makes you
(39:34):
who you are. These guys are hungry and you know
we got we want, we got one more to go.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Just wearing a jersey, did you like that? Jay mac.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Joe Klatt's head is exploding somewhere. Never wear a jersey
with somebody's names.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, it's just, you know, he's different. It's uh, you know,
he does look like he should be playing poker in
somebody's smoky basement.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I mean, it is what it is. But you know,
he so much of coaching is players buying into your messaging.
That's it. In Detroit, they're buying to Dan Campbell. So
it doesn't it doesn't really matter what we think. It
matters what the players say.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Well, when you're winning, they're buying it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, you know, I find Jalen Hurts. Fascinating.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, a great game, by the way.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I thought he was terrific. There are drives when Philadelphia
has the ball, and I'm sure you feel this. I
saw this about three weeks ago with them. There are
drives this season by Philadelphia, and I wonder why don't
they score on every drive? I mean when they're humming
and Jalen is and he's not one hundred percent. They
(40:39):
have so much, so many dimensions to their offense. They
can throw deep, underneath, drag routes, They're tight end is great,
they can run it, they can power it. They can
just do so many things. And that was what really
bothered me about Buffalo. I felt they were reduced. They
just kind of reduced themselves to hey, John, get the
(41:01):
first down and I Philadelphia and Kansas City, but especially Philadelphia,
they just have They make you think about so many options.
There was a point in the first half when Saquon
Barkley only had three carries and I'm like, guys, get
in the ball now. They did after that, but they
were taking the lead and separating, and they weren't giving
(41:22):
Barkley after that first big home run. They weren't giving
him the ball and you're like guys, so there are.
I mean, AJ Brown is brilliant, and I think AJ
Brown deserves credit for maturity. He understands what he's watching here.
I'm gonna be the big play specialist, but I'm not
going to be a thirteen target guy. That's not what
(41:42):
I am on this offense.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I don't remember if I was on this show at
the time, but I bet AJ Brown to be the
MVP of the Super Bowl. When the Eagles met the
Chiefs and Brown caught that long touchdown, it was looking great,
right because he's a great matchup against the Chiefs. I
wonder if he actually pulls it off this time because
I'm just telling you, Spags is going to Hurts a lot,
and some of the numbers when you dig into them,
Hurts does struggle against the Blitz, so I would expect
(42:05):
heavy pressure.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah Hurts.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Now, you and I would agree he was the better
quarterback than Mahomes in the last Super Bowl when they met. Yeah,
Hurts was spectacular, nearly carried them to victory. But he
doesn't seem as fast or as mobile as he did
two years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And Tarror I honestly feel with Jalen Hurts I'm not
sure if he's ever healthy. He always feels like he
is just about eighty five percent. Even in this game,
we didn't know. If you wouldn't have told me he
was injured, I wouldn't have known. But Wednesday we were saying,
I'm not sure. Two games ago we were like, is
(42:41):
he hat a concussion protocol? I mean, he is just
one of these players. It's a credit to Jalen, it's
a credit to the NFL. Guys play hurt. There's no
load management. You're just gonna play. I don't care if
it's Week four or it's the AFC or NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Egles zero postseason turnover still, is that accurate? I believe
that is. Jeez have one only team to lose the
turnover battle and win a playoff game this season.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
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Here we go. It's hour two and to Monday, Chiefs
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It's the Hurt wherever you may be and however you
may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day,
all right, Matt Hasselbeck's a couple of minutes out. We
got a lot of stuff to discuss. I had to
(00:47):
talk Jmac yesterday through text off the ledge. He was
getting all worked une and I said, there's thirteen minutes
left in the game. Can't be it can't be your
life preserver. You got to get past that fourth and inches.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
But it was.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I tell you, I think I've seen this movie before.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Kiv, Come on, it's every cheas Bills game. Ask yourself
this what if talton Kin, Kate catches that. Yeah, just
just one play.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
If you look at the the old twenty two, you'll
see Shakir. Remember the play Jeremiah Smith ran against Notre
Dame wide open. Shakira was open, but the corner blitz
came and Allen didn't have time to think back.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Oh, I got him and they and they knew which
corner to blitz because they knew where Josh was rolling.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
You know who the real MVP is, Spagnolo. He was
the MVP of the Super Bowl. He was the MVP
of this game last night. Right, the one blitz wouldn't
matter in the highest levered spot.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong? On a Monday,
plenty of both.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I said when Saquon Barkley, I said at March eleventh,
He's going to be gigantic for Philadelphia because of their
wide receiving talent and because of their own line, you
won't be able to jam the box. Those safeties will
have to play outside, and Barkley's gonna have record setting years.
If you look at the mobility of Hurts an offensive coach,
(02:01):
their on line, their wide receiving talent, it's just absolutely unthinkable.
The New York Giants rolled the dice and let Saquon Barkley.
March eleventh, I said it. People don't like paying running backs.
I would pay running backs. Fletcher Cox left the game,
they had some money. I was a huge fan of
the move, not just because remember at the time, everybody
(02:23):
was like, whoa running backs? Barkley was the perfect fit,
the icing on a great cake.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Friday, I said, Kansas City, the jig is up twenty eight,
twenty seven, Buffalo. They're too talented, and I thought they were,
and if Dalton Kink catches that ball, they could still win.
But this reductionist fourth and one Josh Allen gets the
ball every time. Stuff doesn't work for me at all.
And in the end, once again Mahomes read in spags elevate, expand,
(02:55):
not contract. In the playoffs where Colin was right, I
like Sean Dermott. I think he's Mike McCarthy on the
defensive side of the ball. But good coaches don't win
against great quarterbacks and coaches. I said this in big games,
where's his defense against Kansas City? They're scoring thirty five
points every time these two teams meet in the playoffs.
I also think he gets tight. I also think on
(03:18):
those fourth and ones it felt like they were just
sort of ad libbing it and letting Josh do what
Josh needed to be done. I didn't like that at all.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Where Colin was wrong, I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
On Nick Sirianni. I don't like the method. But players
love him, Philly loves him, City loves him, and the
GM and the coach love him. His playoff record now
is five and three. He has had multiple coordinators. He
may be more coordinator driven than a lot of coaches,
but he's an emotional guy that lives on the edge,
and the team in the locker room respond to him,
(03:53):
and that's really what coaching is. The Lions respond to
Dan Campbell, the Chargers respond to Jim Harbaugh. So much
of this sport is taking alpha male pro athletes and
do they buy into the messaging? And in Philadelphia with
Nick Sirianni, I was wrong. They do every Sunday. Where
Colin was right, I predicted when Brian Schottenheimer news came out,
(04:14):
I said, if he gets hired, this is going to
be met with utter outrage and dismay. This will not
just be a mediocre coaching higher fourteen years as a coordinator,
first time he's been even discussed as a head coach,
and Jerry Jones did a ten pm Friday news dump
(04:34):
for those that were awake. It was met with outrage
in the Cowboy community and beyond, this is just not
a good enough hire.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I thought Xavier Worthy of Kansas City, who had a
season high in yards, I thought as a first round pick,
he'd probably end up being a gadget guy. Four or
five plays a game yesterday, over one hundred yards of
TD seven targets. He felt like yesterday he can be
either a number one, whether Rashi Rice or a one A.
But Kansas City, and this is what they're prone to do.
(05:07):
They tend to develop players, especially wide receivers and targets
over the course of a long season. And Worthy, who
I remember the first game he played. I think he
had a touchdown in his first game or a couple
of big plays, and I thought that's just what he's
gonna be. But he was a volume receiver.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yesterday, where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Pete Carroll hired by the Raiders. When his name first
came out, it was dismissed he was too old, and
I'm like Pete Carroll age is not the issue. In fact,
even in Seattle his last two years in winning seasons
with Gino Smith in a tough division, so he got
pushed back early and I didn't understand it. I think
Pete's a very good coach. Now, do I think sometimes
(05:47):
he's too loyal to assistance? I don't love, yes, but
that's probably a good human quality. It's not a great
coaching quality sometimes. But a lot of people dismissed Pete Carroll.
Raiders didn't smart, teams.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Didn't Where was wrong? Well, I thought when.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Mike McCarthy bailed on the Cowboys, next to Mike Vrabel,
he'd be the number one candidate. And there's only one
job left, and I'm not sure he's going to get
the Saints job. He didn't even interview for other jobs. Now,
is that McCarthy's choice? Is he looking at all the
openings and saying New England, Chicago? After that? I'm not interested.
(06:26):
But I thought he would be a hot coaching candidate
and he's not. Where Colin was right, I not only
picked Ohio State to be in the National Championship when
they lost to Oregon at Dotson, I said they'd be
in the National Championship. When they lost to Michigan, I said,
stop it. I think they're still odds on favorite to
play for the National Championship. I thought Ryan Day and
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Chip Kelly did what he was hired to do. I
just ran into Skip Friday. Is that kind of as
the NFL and college now feel kind of more seamless.
Now you have a big playoff in college like the pros.
Guys are getting paid like the pros. You're gonna need
the kind of emotional guy in Chip Kelly that can
build like pro game plans, keeping some stuff, showing other stuff.
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There's a different way to coach now, not just go
to the Citrus Bowl. You got game after game after
game against the best teams and coaches, and a lot
of people bailed on Ohio State and Ryan Day, but
I felt even after the losses to Michigan and Oregon,
they were as good as anybody in the country. Colin right,
Colin wrong. And with that we bring in Matt Hasselback
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eighteen years street Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. You know you
never waivered on Philadelphia. The louder they got, the more
you like them, and yeah, I mean really, it's funny.
It's like, I don't like their methodology at all.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I was apologizing for like listen, everyone was calling for
Ryan Day's head and they were calling for Nick Sirianni's head.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Like.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
It's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Now, I remember sticking up for Philly on this show. Yeah,
like right before they were going to play Tampa and
everybody that I know that's a Philly they were like, Oh,
you don't know our team, you don't know our coach,
you don't know our drama. And I'm like, wait, you said,
why do I like your team more than you like
your team?
Speaker 6 (08:08):
It's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
And I joke, this is the fan base that Boo's
Santa Claus, but I certainly feel like they're excited about
Nick Sirianni and company.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now, yeah, you know it's interesting. Jalen Hurts. I think
he's really good. I don't know if he's great, but
I will say this, Matt about four times a game
he has asked to make an eighteen twenty twenty one
yard throw. And you know what, in the moment, I
trust him. I trust him in these big moments. I
don't know if it's pretty, it doesn't look aesthetically as
(08:38):
nice as others. But boy, in these big moments, he's
got that, and a lot of you guys had this,
You had this. He doesn't get too high or low.
I just feel like he's got the perfect temperament to
be a quarterback in these highly dramatic games.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, he's one of the best that I've ever seen
in terms of not getting too high or too low
responding to the moment. Questions with him have obviously been health.
You know, he had the knee injury. But then also
you heard Tom Brady allude to it during the broadcast.
He said, you know, sometimes he'll knock him the team
out of field goal range, trying to do something with
his legs, doing a little whirllybird, you know, spinning out
(09:15):
of something that he doesn't need to. He could throw
the ball on time. But I thought what he did
really well yesterday is while he did that, the play
ended in a throwaway, he protected the team by protecting
field position that way, and really I thought he was outstanding.
Now he's going up against Patrick Mahomes, just like last time,
he's going to get not judged, not only on the stats,
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at who he is as a passer. But if you
remember in the matchup last time in the Super Bowl,
he played pretty well except he fumbled one time and
it was a scoop and score for the Chiefs that
ended up being a three point game, And so he's
going to have to be flawless in all areas of
his game to get the win this time.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So one of the things, and I really want to
break this down, so one of the things they do
well is their tush push. Buffalo felt very ad lib
to me.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I do.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
I did not like them. I would give the ball
to James Cook, who I think is one of the
most underretted players in the league, not only his position
that period, James Cook is a tremendous player. So when
I watched the toush push of Buffalo, I'm like, guys,
you got a whole playbook. But for some reason with Philly,
I feel like, well, that's their play like, that's what
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they do. How do you view it?
Speaker 6 (10:27):
No doubt?
Speaker 4 (10:28):
I mean when you look at those two teams, it's
chess versus checkers. If you go back and watch how
both those teams lined up in that exact same situation,
third and one fourth and one short yardage situation. Philly,
they know what they're doing. They're liningm in or low.
There's eleven people around the ball. Everybody's pushing. If not,
you've got a decoy like plays off of it. You
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got big people in there. You look at Buffalo, people
are spread out. You're in three wides, your tight ends,
not even on the line of scrimmage. You've made it
easier for Kansas City. You heard Jim Nansen when he
rom we're talking about, Hey, we know he likes to
come to his left. The predictability for Buffalo was a major,
major problem. And then on a couple of them, the
one where Josh jumps over the top, you got a
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wide receiver back there dancing and celebrating, where Philly like
they're all dialed in. Eleven guys matter on this play
until the whistle blows, and so like they're gonna sit
they're gonna sit around and say, oh, we got a
bad spot that one time. But the truth of the
matter is you lacked creativity. You just said, hey, Josh,
go get a go put your Superman cape on and
just go get us a yard, go get us a
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yard and a half. No, it doesn't work that way.
Philly does it differently than the rest of the league.
It's a copycat league. But this was a This was
like a poor imitation in terms of the QB sneak.
One team does it really well. The other team is
going home because they didn't do it as well.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, and I feel like about every third time Buffalo's
Josh Allen is looking to pitch it, which is nightmare scenario.
Just like you six seven guy up there perks up
atop trying to it.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
So I in Colin, if you remember early this season,
the Philadelphia Eagles were taking a lot of heat in
the first month of the season because they weren't good
at the tush push. And I said it then, I said,
you know, most teams have to get ten yards. The
Philadelphia Eagles have mastered this play, so they have to
get like eight and a half nine yards to get
a first down because they're automatic. Early in the year
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and people were saying, oh, they don't have Jason Kelsey,
they don't. I do believe there's detail to how these
guys are getting it done in Philly that other teams
don't have.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So there's so much to unpack in the Chiefs Bills game.
I've said this, whenever you get two Titans, you're always
going to complain about officiating. If I recall you were
in a super Bowl against Pittsburgh, I swear to God
every call went against you.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
You had.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I mean, in fact, the Pittsburgh postcausette the next day
to the poll and they said the Seahawks got host.
So you've been in these big games. But here's why
I'm going to defend Kansas City. First, I didn't like
the fourth and one stuff by Buffalo. Second, the Dalton
Kink drop. The other thing is I understand physical football wins,
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but essentially they ran the ball sixteen out of seventeen
times to start the second half, and I'm like, wow,
that's really restrictive. You could do that with a lot
of quarterbacks. I'm not even doing that with Jalen Hurts,
forget Josh Allen. I didn't love some situational, circumstantial coaching
by the Bills, so I'm not gonna give you that argument.
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I felt Spags and Andy Reid had great days. I
didn't think Brady and McDermott had necessarily great days or
am I off there?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I was really disappointed in the short yardagn goal
line plan, the two point plan. I was really disappointed
in that, But I would put more blame on First
of all, I don't think the Buffalo Bills defense is
very good.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
I don't think they showed up like if.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
They want to complain for a reason, like why they
didn't win the game, they didn't play well. I thought
the defensive calls were fine. I think they need to
play better in the back end, and that's just a fact.
But other than that, I would say the guys around
Josh Allen need to step up the way the guys
around Patrick Mahomes stepped up. I mean that Xavier Worthy catch, Yeah,
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I mean it really. First of all, could have been
a sack. He could have knocked him out a field
goal range. Then he throws it up and it could
have been an interception. Except what except a guy on
Patrick Mahomes's team went above and beyond and made a
play that was a difference making play for his team.
Now it's first and goal from the three yard line
after that play on the flip side, I just don't
think the guys around Josh Allen made those plays. You
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mentioned the drop at the end of the game. Yes,
was it a great call by Steve Spagnola, Yes it was.
Did Did did Josh Allen do something heroic and give
his guys a chance to be in field goal range
and send it to overtime?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yes he did. Yes he did.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
And again, like I just think the people around these
star quarterbacks stepping up or not stepping up has been
the difference and quite honestly the biggest thing for me.
I mentioned it Buffalo's defense. I just they just did
not play well enough to deserve to be in the
super Bowl in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
You know, I was saying this, Tiger Woods wore the
red on Sunday, Mahomes red on Sunday, Michael Jordan. There
is something about this is that Michael did this to people.
Tiger definitely did it to people, and Mahomes is doing
it to people. They get in your head is that
we all watch the highlights on Tiger Woods. The gallery.
You know, a golfer would be on the two holes
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behind Tiger and the gallery would scream and he knew
that Tiger hit a great shot and all of a sudden,
now are you grabbing a different club in the bag.
What's interesting about Mahomes is that he rushed eleven times yesterday.
He rushes four times a game. I thought from the
first series on Matt that and maybe you've witnessed this
in your career. The great players get almost more aggressive
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in big games. I don't know if they feel a
need to do it a responsibility, but I think Mahomes
feel different every time he plays Buffalo. He feels different to.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
Me, I kind of I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And I thought Josh Allen as well as he played yesterday,
he started out kind of shaky. And I thought the
Buffalo defense started out a little bit shaky, like they
you know, they would see it was play action, the move,
the pocket type play and they would turn their back
and just sprint to the receivers like eliminate, like not
even thinking that, hey, Patrick Mahomes can use his legs
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and run for these first downs, run for these touchdowns.
I just thought they were off balanced themselves. But even
when it was a good play called defensively, you saw
guys getting picked off. You got Tamar Hamlin one on
one against Xavier Worthy mismatched to quick five yard out route.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
It would have been a touchdown in flag football.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
It just to me, it just was not It wasn't
a championship performance by the defense, And it was like
they were surprised that Patrick Mahomes can use his legs
as well as he did, and that should be no
surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
By now, you are part of a Super Bowl that
was largely viewed as a poorly officiated super Bowl. So
you tell me, how do players because fans complain about it,
I don't hear. I don't hear players a lot complaining
about it. How do you view in a big game
officiating on close calls? Did your coach tell you not
to worry about it? How'd you view it?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Yeah, well, the players are just afraid to get fined
like that. So whatever anybody says at the podium, you
just choose your words so carefully. Some guys do it well,
they say like, oh, it's us against everybody. You know,
they beat around the bush. Other guys they have to
learn the hard way by getting fined. No, I think
it comes down to control what you can control. But
when you talk about the spot, right, when you talk
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about like everyone just expects Jordan Tiger Woods, Patrick Hoholmes
to do it. The fans expect it, Like you wonder
like these refs are human? Do they just sort of
expect it? Are they almost just like, yeah, we kind
of know what's going to happen here. So I do
think this year, in the offseason, I do think they
will introduce some sort of change to how we measure
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a first down. Like you watch tennis, you watch baseball,
you watch golf. They have technology that can tell you
where a ball goes by the centimeter. Why can't we
do that in football? Why do we still have a
bunch of old retired guys holding the chain and say, oh, yeah,
ten yards is like right about there, one ref on
one side, the other official on the other side.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Traditionally you try out.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
New technologies like that in the Pro Bowl or in
four preseason games. We no longer have a Pro Bowl.
We no longer have four preseason games. So when are
they going to work the kinks out of technology? I
don't know, but I would expect that there's going to
be at least somebody lobbying for a change in how
we measure a first down going.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Forward, Philadelphia the better maybe roster Kansas City coach quarterback
edge is, do you have an initial interpretation or opinion
on the Super Bowl matchup.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Well, my opinion is that you know, the Chiefs will
start out as the favorites and then you know all
the degenerate types in Philly will bet on the Eagles
and a changement. But there truly is an excitement right
now with the Philadelphia Eagles with their fan base.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
You know, I don't know if the Chiefs are quite
as excited.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
They're like, yeah, we expected to be here, but like
Philly is rocking right now. I think New Orleans is
going to be rocking for that reason, and there will
be a movement here. You play great defense, you run
the ball really well at a historic rate, you can
win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
That is absolutely a formula that people believe in.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
And so you could sell the story like, hey, if
you're going to take down the mighty Kansas City Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
This is how you do it.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
This is how you neutralize a great pass rush. Should
be a great matchup. If you love the passing game,
you're going for the Chiefs. If you love the running game,
great defense, sound defense, you know you're going for You're
going for the Eagles. And I would say, like, just
having gone against Spags many times in my career, I'm
thinking like he's one of the toughest guys to go against.
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One of the best things you can do against an
exotic blitz critical moment type team is run right at them,
run right at their blitz, their blitz in your protection.
You make sure their gap sound in what they're doing
with their blitz schemes, and so for that reason, this
should be an epic matchup.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Finally, you're the GM and they've got a good one
in Washington. What are the two or three pieces maybe
in the draft or free agency, Matt, give me two
or three pieces you would add to Jaden Daniels going forward.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
You have to improve that defense. Like that defense, I mean,
when you look at the success the rookie quarterbacks have
traditionally had in this league, they've got like a top
five defense. He has a bottom half defense, like they
are not anywhere near matching the level of talent that
he has.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
He is carrying that.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Team, unlike what's happened with other rookie quarterbacks, where the
defense carries them. Invest in that defense, make them better. Now,
also understand the division that you're in. You're going up
against Philly. They got a great D line, so you
better make sure that it's at least a wash.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
It's not a.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Huge liability with who you have upfront protecting him. And
then I do think, because he is such an elite talent,
if you could pair him with an elite another weapon
in the passing game wherever you want to find that,
whether it's wide receiver, somebody out of the back, whatever,
he's that talented that I think that it's a worthy
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investment to go find him somebody that's uncoverable with formational matchups.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, I think both Buffalo and Washington should spend the
draft getting these star quarterbacks a better defense support system.
I felt the same way with Buffalo. I'm like, I
like their offense, they'll probably lose Amari Cooper, like their backs,
like their O line, like their quarterback, like their tight ends.
I think the losing team this weekend at some point
could not make stops in big moments. Matt Hasselback eighteen years,
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You've been so great for We'll have you on a
couple of times before the season closes. Thanks buddy, nice hat.
That's next.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Fun you in California next week?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I oh, there we go. That is fantastic. Matt Hasselbeck
will be out here in California. By the way, he's
wearing that hat. That's a Nick Foles nick Foles's company.
By the way, you can look that up. Give Nick
Foles a little I mean guy Philly special and we're
talking Philly today. I gotta give him a little love.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
You know, I'm really over like people on the internet
yelling at you. But somebody just dropped an interesting nugget them.
You are you ready for this Super Bowl? So who
did the Eagles beat to win their last Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Nick Foles beat somebody in New England.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
If the Eagles can take down Patrick Mahomes, they will
have beaten in the Super Bowl. Brady and Mahomes. That's
not bad for this core in Philadelphia. A lot of
them are still here from the Nick Foles days. That
would be pretty impressive. No, taking down the two best
quarterbacks in NFL history.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Listen, the better defenses and the more efficient offenses one
and you talk about officials all you want on big plays.
Philadelphia and Kansas City were better, and the Bills and
the Commander's defenses just stacked up. I agree, with Hasselback.
I was watching Philadelphia. I thought Buffalo could not stop Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Philly hasn't really been tested this postseason, right, we would
agree with that, like the Packers kind of struggle down
the stretch. Washington House money. Regardless of what Dan Quinn
wants to say, this is a massive step up in class.
The three best teams all season were Buffalo, CAC and Philly. Right,
pretty much, Detroit's in there and Baltimore's in there.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I'm excited. I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's gonna be a good one.
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Speaker 3 (24:17):
All right, Let's start with chiefs, Bills.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And the real MVP.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Spags aka Steve Spagnolo, the sixty five year old defensive coordinator,
dialed up just a perfect corner blitz to force Josh
Allen into that final pass that Dalton Kin kid dropped
Chiefs defensive tackles. Chris Jones said, as long as they
continue to let Spags be r DC and not hire
him as a head coach, We're going to continue to win.
(24:42):
For me, he's one of the greatest assistant coaches to
ever coach a game. He look at his resume, He's
got one of the greatest resumes. He finds a way
to close. That's what Spags does. Colin, he was a
head coach. By the way, Spagnola, I had to look
this up.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, he struggled a long fifty two games.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
His record as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It was a disaster. And by the way, there are
a lot of people out there that are better co
pilots than lead pilots. Yep, there's nothing wrong with that.
His personality. He is an expert on one side of
the ball. And I thought about this a lot. Josh McDaniels,
look at all the rings he's got. He's two. Okay,
that's fine. So many things go in to being a one,
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and a lot of it is do you have expert team.
Jimmy Johnson, the classic walkaround coach. He was good at personnel,
he was good at personality. Bill Parcells great at personnel,
great at personality, creating mini conflicts, but conflicts not big
enough to overtake the team. Parcels constantly had little squabbles,
little silos. He wanted people worked up and agitated, but
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they were never they never got in the way of winning.
There are so many psychological factors that the Jimmy's and
the Parcels and the Belichicks understand, and it's just some
guys are built to be great specialists.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Like Vic Fangio's another one. Right, he had his chance,
got a head coach. He's now sixty six years old.
He's an amazing defensive coordinator. He downs with some of
the best stuff. So is almost part of the key
to building a staff is to maybe skew a little
older as opposed to getting these these tryhard thirty one
year olds who really can't wait for their chance to
(26:19):
be at number one, because everybody wants to be a
number one. Right, So you're building staffs and I don't.
I mean, we got Ask yourself this, we got two
defensive coordators in the Super Bowl who have passed their
window to be a head coachche and they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Ask yourself this, What have the last two dynasties in
the NFL had among their coaching a great coach who
is the best in the world at their side of
the ball Belichick defense, Andy Meat offense, and then a complementary,
world class a plus plus coordinator on the other side,
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Spags for Andy, Josh McDaniels for Belichick, right like like
like you can you can have both your best coaches
be on the defensive side. But when Houston popped that
one year, it was Demiko and then it was Bobby Slowick.
Like you could argue that's why I said Aaron lenn
was valuable in Detroit more, maybe more than Ben Johnson
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because Campbell's an offensive guy, Aaron Lenz the defensive guy.
And it just seems to me that the Patriots and
the Chiefs are very similar beyond the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
So even the Niners, like, I mean, that staff has
been pillaged, McDaniel, so many of the guys have gone on.
It's tough to keep the continuity. It's almost like Shanahan
has to go up. We need to bring in some
older coordinators who aren't going to be looking to make this.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It's interesting if you're a head coach, you know, Andy
Reids knows Spags is probably a two. He would certainly
give him, you know, much praise if somebody called. Nobody's called,
that's right. I think Spags is viewed asn't is the
best court dick lea Bowl for the Steelers for him
and few as the best defensive coach in the game.
And that's what he was. He was an unbelievable specialist.
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You're gonna find most dynasties have a number two coach,
and that's what he is. He is a number two.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, let's move on to the Cowboys. They introduced Brian
Schottenheimer as the franchise's tenth head coach earlier today. Kind
of an awkward when you see the video, it's a
little awkward column. Yeah, Dallas only interviewed four potential coaches
for the job. I think the Jets and Bears were
like a fifteen plus some insame number. Here's what Jerry
had to say about his.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
New head coach.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
If you don't think I can to operate out of
my comfort zone. You're so wrong, it's unbelievable. This is
as big a risk as you could take, as big
a risk as you could take, no head coaching experience.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Anybody in this room that.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
Doesn't believe the apple doesn't go far from the tree
has missed it someplace down the road, especially if there
was an effort to make it that way, and there
was an effort.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Timer tried to look stoic.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
But the more Jerry rambles, it's almost like when you're
raising kids. The longer the answer, the less truthful it is.
Did you eat a cookie for dinner? They tell you
a story they had a cookie? Yeah, did you did
you sneak into the refrigerator? Long answer? Untruthful? No, probably truthful.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
It's just it's just not greatened out. The best take
I heard. I don't know if we talked about this Friday.
It might have been over the weekend. But is that
Schottenheimer's just like a holding is just a placeholder for
a year. The Cowboys are going to be bad next year,
four or five, six wins, they're not going to be good, right,
and then maybe you get arch Manning in the draft.
But I heard them find someone to come in and
be a big time.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He shay, I heard that. Are we sure arch Manning?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Is he a two year starters?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I think he's more mobile than quin you weres and
I like arch Manning, I don't love him. I don't
think he's cam Ward and cam Woard sort of a
beatroub War.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's a twenty two or something. I mean, it would
be great if Texas went after Jeremiah Smith or something too,
something that they're receiving core. They lost their top two receivers.
But like I just I don't know what the end?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
What's he ask yourself? This too? This is viewed as
a below average higher It is also the second to
last job filled. So first of all, you're gonna build
a better staff like Mike Rabel's gonna get his choice
of guys. Same with Harbaugh, because they're viewed as, oh,
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this is a this is a ten year job potentially
for me and my family and my kids. With Schottenheimer,
New England, the Jets, all these teams, Chicago, they've all
got a lead on Dallas on filling out their staffs.
So you're getting a c to a C minus higher.
That's how it's viewed in football. And now you're getting
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a D to a D minus opportunity on staffing because
Liam Cohen's gobbling up the offensive guys, Ben Johnson's gobbling
up the best offensive guy. Aaron Glenn and Rabel are
gobbling up the best defensive guys. So again, it'd be
one thing if McCarthy's staff, I mean, Dan Quinn, Mike Zimmer,
you know the sense it does a big boy stah.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
That's the kind of thing where Schottenneimer hired somebody that says, say, PS,
don't go buy in a house, just just rent. I
don't know, I don't think I was gonna take out.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
If Schottenneimer would have been hired first, you'd have a
much greater opportunity to build a staff. But when you
hire him next to last, I mean, that's like, why
the Saints, what are you waiting for? Get it done?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Not great? Final story, Colin is my Jets. They brought
in former first root pick and Lions defensive coordinator Aaron
Glenn is their new head coach. He's meeting the media
right now. Actually, here's what Fox NFL insider Jake Glazer
said yesterday about Glenn in his quarterback situation.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Aaron Glenn, we know he's the new head coach of
the Jets. We don't know who the quarterback is.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Going to be.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
Talk to Aaron Glenn this morning.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
He said, I've planned to go meet with's. Aaron Rodgers
will definitely come up up with the decision much.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I don't want to drag this out. Yeah, I would
keep Aaron for one more year. I'd have no problem. Aaron,
I thought down the stretch, seven of eight games played. Well,
I know you're tired.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Let's see it on the street.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
And the producers built it. Let's see it.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Let's see it the last ten games.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Aaron Rodgers, he was cooking with gas. Oh my gosh
at it.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
If we're now no contact, so we don't know the
opponents turrety out of the playoff.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Contact good time out. The opponents were NFL teams.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yet bad ones. Okay, come on, anyways, what's real interesting
is here. I don't want to drag this out, Okay.
Aaron Glenn is putting Rogers on the clock. I don't
care if you're in Katmandu or if you're in a
Darkness retreat. We need this solve.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
How do you think Aaron Rodgers is going to take that? Colin?
I wanted to answer now, I don't want to wait
till March.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
By the way, here's how Aaron will take it. When
he pushed off his last team, green Bay came out
of the Darkness Retreat and they bailed on him. I
think Aaron sensitive. He now knows even though you're Aaron Rodgers,
teams need to get going. So Aaron had a bad
situation in green Bay. He said, oh, they'll be patient
for me, and green Bay smoked him.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
You think he's that selfh No, no, no, you're giving him
too much credit.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
No. I think Aaron's smart. I think he's complex. He
doesn't want to be told what to do.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
That's coming. That is so obvious. His personality is, well,
I'm smarter than you. Don't pressure me in anything. I'm
gonna do me.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
A lot of great athletes don't want to be told
what to do. Aeron's not alone that Aaron, You're not
great anymore. Sorry, well, new flesh, you're not great.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
To puck that graphic up you you were passable for
ten days.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He was b plush down the street.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
And it didn't matter because they were in the basement and.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Watch spreading water. Well, those the last ten games, he
was pretty good.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Okay, you know what I can cook in June on
this show after the NBA Finals, I could be on
fire with takes. Okay, here's the matter, football takes.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay, okay, here's the last ten games. Here's four of
the teams he faced, Bill's Rams, Texan Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
How many of those they win? Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well, that's a team you're just asking me, how about that?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
I remember now that you're you would have mentioned Seahawks.
Remember that missed the wide open textown here it Wilson.
Next play the fat guy on the defensive line tips
it runs a back ninety yard loss.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Just stop stop pumping him up.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
He's not good anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I think he's good. I don't think we've got other options.
He's hold on Drew Brees. Next hour, Jmak with a news.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I am so glad this was addressed. And I'll tell
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Speaker 1 (36:02):
I am One of the things I focused on a
lot in the first hour and the top of this
hour is how good in situational football? I felt Kansas
City was getting big chunk plays on big downs and
making big stops on big defensive plays. I did not
like the continuing reliance on one player, Josh Allen in
(36:29):
Buffalo's Push Push, You got a great back, use him right.
This is a six to seven quarterback, he's not hurt
small who submerges into the best O line arguably in
the game. I totally get Philadelphia. I do not like,
And again my take was I think he got it.
(36:51):
I think he did. I wasn't really sure, like it's
you know, it's a go either way call to me.
I thought he got it. Here Hasselbeck on two for
six and counting two point conversions on the tush push.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
When you look at those two teams, it's chess versus checkers.
If you go back and watch how both those teams
lined up in that exact same situation, third and one,
fourth and one short yardage situation. Philly, they know what
they're doing. The truth of the matter is you lacked creativity.
You just said, hey, Josh, go get a go, put
your Superman cape on and just go get us a yard,
(37:27):
Go get us a yard and a half. No, it
doesn't work that way. Philly does it differently than the
rest of the league. It's a copycat league. But this
was a this was like a poor imitation in terms
of the QB sneak. One team does it really well.
The other team is going home because they didn't do
it as well.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at it, Philadelphia is
all in with a significantly better all line three of
the bills spread out wide. Again, it is so predictable.
And look how small for our televisions. Look at Jalen Hurts.
You can barely see him in the picture. If, by
the way, if the Eagles had dark pants instead of
(38:07):
white pants. You couldn't see him. He's almost already submerged
below the line. And Washington, for the record, was missing
their best defensive lineman. So this was an advantage going
into the game. Now in a greater advantage if you
watch Buffalo, well, I mean, the best talent outside of
McDuffie on this defense is all up front for Kansas City.
(38:30):
So I mean, and look how prominent Josh Allen is.
And Josh Allen will often leap in the air. So
he's six six and a half six seven to begin with,
and he'll leap up in the air, making himself a
bit of a pinata. So I thought that was a
big part of the game. I think the Dalton Kincaid
drop was a huge part of the game. Blame officials,
(38:51):
I get it. That's what teams do in close games
between iconic quarterbacks, I think. I think the other thing
is the Nick Siriani. You know, he's just different. He
feels like coach slash fan. I mean, he really does.
He He kind of talks like it, he sounds like it,
and after the win he sort of dresses like it.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
This game is about overcoming adversity. There's gonna be good
plays in the game. There's gonna be a bad There's
gonna be bad plays in the game. There's gonna be
good moments in a season. There's gonna be bad moments
in the season. And it's and it's been the story
of you know, the twenty twenty three to the twenty
twenty four Eagles is as bad as feeling we had.
Is how last year ended. I think it makes you
(39:34):
who you are. These guys are hungry and you know
we got we want, we got one more to go.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Just wearing a jersey, did you like that? Jay mac.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Joe Klatt's head is exploding somewhere. Never wear a jersey
with somebody's names.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, it's just, you know, he's different. It's uh, you know,
he does look like he should be playing poker in
somebody's smoky basement.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I mean, it is what it is. But you know,
he so much of coaching is players buying into your messaging.
That's it. In Detroit, they're buying to Dan Campbell. So
it doesn't it doesn't really matter what we think. It
matters what the players say.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Well, when you're winning, they're buying it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, you know, I find Jalen Hurts. Fascinating.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, a great game, by the way.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I thought he was terrific. There are drives when Philadelphia
has the ball, and I'm sure you feel this. I
saw this about three weeks ago with them. There are
drives this season by Philadelphia, and I wonder why don't
they score on every drive? I mean when they're humming
and Jalen is and he's not one hundred percent. They
(40:39):
have so much, so many dimensions to their offense. They
can throw deep, underneath, drag routes, They're tight end is great,
they can run it, they can power it. They can
just do so many things. And that was what really
bothered me about Buffalo. I felt they were reduced. They
just kind of reduced themselves to hey, John, get the
(41:01):
first down and I Philadelphia and Kansas City, but especially Philadelphia,
they just have They make you think about so many options.
There was a point in the first half when Saquon
Barkley only had three carries and I'm like, guys, get
in the ball now. They did after that, but they
were taking the lead and separating, and they weren't giving
(41:22):
Barkley after that first big home run. They weren't giving
him the ball and you're like guys, so there are.
I mean, AJ Brown is brilliant, and I think AJ
Brown deserves credit for maturity. He understands what he's watching here.
I'm gonna be the big play specialist, but I'm not
going to be a thirteen target guy. That's not what
(41:42):
I am on this offense.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I don't remember if I was on this show at
the time, but I bet AJ Brown to be the
MVP of the Super Bowl. When the Eagles met the
Chiefs and Brown caught that long touchdown, it was looking great,
right because he's a great matchup against the Chiefs. I
wonder if he actually pulls it off this time because
I'm just telling you, Spags is going to Hurts a lot,
and some of the numbers when you dig into them,
Hurts does struggle against the Blitz, so I would expect
(42:05):
heavy pressure.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah Hurts.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Now, you and I would agree he was the better
quarterback than Mahomes in the last Super Bowl when they met. Yeah,
Hurts was spectacular, nearly carried them to victory. But he
doesn't seem as fast or as mobile as he did
two years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And Tarror I honestly feel with Jalen Hurts I'm not
sure if he's ever healthy. He always feels like he
is just about eighty five percent. Even in this game,
we didn't know. If you wouldn't have told me he
was injured, I wouldn't have known. But Wednesday we were saying,
I'm not sure. Two games ago we were like, is
(42:41):
he hat a concussion protocol? I mean, he is just
one of these players. It's a credit to Jalen, it's
a credit to the NFL. Guys play hurt. There's no
load management. You're just gonna play. I don't care if
it's Week four or it's the AFC or NFC Championship.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Egles zero postseason turnover still, is that accurate? I believe
that is. Jeez have one only team to lose the
turnover battle and win a playoff game this season.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Drew Brees hour three on a Monday next
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