March 24, 2025 • 43 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about 49ers Brock Purdy and wrong about Arkansas head coach John Calipari
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Legend.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You've gone him a.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
While, huh.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I haven't seen that guy, must have been like ten years.
I went up to him at a Super Bowl party
and he was like, stunt this one. I was with
the Big Lead, you know, and he was like stunned
and he's, oh, the big Lead and you started talking.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
He's actually a pretty nice guy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I saw him. I seen him rest stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
For us with so are you going to wrestling a
lot these days?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I've been to it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I went to a WrestleMania a so far and it was.
My son had the best time. I've never seen my
son laugh that much. He loved it. We sat right
in front of Simmons and his son and I told
my son, I said, it's like theater, It's like Broadway.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Lean into it. So my son is booing. You know,
you're a jerk.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And then you know the wrestling, I've been to two
of them. I've been to a Wrestlemanian. Then I've just
been doing another event.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Fun. What can I say that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I know I used to call those fans booger readers,
but you know some are.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Here we go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, well, well, j Mack only has ten teams left.
I've got fifteen of sixteen teams left for the television audience.
This is the staff can vouch for me. This is
my bracket. Last week, Jaymack and I went toe to toe.
We gave our brackets in and I'm only missing one team.
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Rick Patino did me wrong, but good so far. I'm
probably gonna pay a dear price for not having Duke
win it all. But I think I think you know,
Duke will have their hands full. Leave it at that
where Colin was right. I've said the Dodgers being villains
great for baseball. I just saw the ratings for the
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games in Japan. Twenty five million viewers across all platforms,
most watched baseball game ever in Japan. The second game
almost got as many against the Cubs. Folks outside of
the NFL, sports needs villains. It's good when the Celtics win.
It's good when the Lakers. One of the Yankees and
Dodgers merchandise is off the chain. By the way, those
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games with the viewers were starting at three am Pacific
time and still did really good numbers.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I have a little feud with John Calipari, but
he beat Bill self in round one and Rick Patino
in round one, and he deserves credit because this team's
had injuries all year. They were bad to start the season,
only finished eight and ten in the SEC. But Calipari
deserves credit. He is the only coach ever to take
four different schools, only second coach ever four different schools
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of sweet sixty.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I said when the US men's soccer hired Mauricio Pochadino
that if they ever lost, they'd blame the coach. Well,
we just got shut out by Panama and lost to
Canada in the Nation's League games. It's our worst finish
in a long time. And I've said we overvalue our players.
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We think it doesn't matter who the coach is Jurgen Klinsman,
Steve Bruce Arena, it doesn't matter. The coach always takes
the heat. And my knock has been we have some
good players, but last World Cup we're way too young,
probably still too young to finish as a top four
to eight team. But once again we get a new
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coach after driving one out and it's the same result.
We don't have the intensity in big games like we should.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Rock Perdy reportedly wants Dak money.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I laugh at all these people tell him he's gonna
take a pay cut, team friendly deal. No, even though
he was one and six against playoff teams last year
with more interceptions than touchdowns and had his second troubling injury,
he views himself as great. He's been gassed up because
he's a seventh round pick. He's never made any money,
so he is gonna go and play hardball.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I've said it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think Aaron Rodgers privately is talking to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I could be wrong on this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He maybe If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I don't sign. I
sit on the sidelines and wait and watch what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
With the Niners.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I had Saint John's and Rick in the final four. Listen.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I knew they weren't a great shooting team, but a
lot of college teams aren't great shooting teams. This is
not the NBA. They were awful offensively, and here's Patino
after the loss.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
We thought we were championship driven in our minds, but
I've been disappointed before with this. You hate to see
us play like that. I don't mind going out with
a loss. I just hate to see us play that
way offensively, and you gotta live with it. You put
a lot of time and effort the coaches did. It's
just a bit a pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Ah, the SEC has seven teams in the Sweet sixteen. Florida, Auburn,
and Tennessee all looked good enough to win all miss role.
Number three seed Iowa State Bama is winning to I
went almost all chalk with SEC teams. I had Arkansas
losing to Saint John's, but in the end set it
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In January when I watched the SEC, I said it
two different times on this show. Are you guys watching
college basketball? Because it looks like SEC football about five
years ago. They just look bigger, longer, faster and more
skilled than every other conference. Where Colin was right, Nase
Harris set it out loud. The Steelers don't have any
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identity on offense, he said, I go to the defensive
guys and talk to them, but they wouldn't be too much.
They couldn't tell me about the offensive line. This is
what we've said. It is so crystal clear that is
the NFL pivoted to offense. They led the NFL in
defensive spending again, and they are an antiquated offensive culture.
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That's why I think Nause Harris is one of the
great pickups of the offseason. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, Phil Simmons,
you know him, the Ringer CEO and found culture critic
Bill Simmons podcast at Built. He's a very busy guy,
so if I don't get him very often, but he's
got a cool looking Usually I see you and Roussello
doing your thing, so I have not I'm starting this week.
The staff is all cut up. They're singing the praises
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of your math.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
You're not gonna watch it?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Come on, No, I am, I will, I will, I do,
I travel a lot, I watch. I'll watch every episode.
First one's Koozy, then Russell, then it's the Celtics I
grew up with, which was six eight, Dave Collens at
center and Halta That's what I grew up with. Then
we're going to the one that's really fascinating birds. So
I'm gonna ask you this question to start when you
come up with an idea like this, the day the
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light goes on, the epiphany to the series starts. Because Hollywood,
everything's molasses, everything slow motion, how long is the process
from light bulb to show as airing?
Speaker 8 (07:43):
Well, first of all, it's an honor to follow a
naj Harris segment.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I was really hoping that would happen in mid March.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
I know the world's talking about Naji right now, so
it's great to be here. That it started probably twenty twenty,
and it just takes so long to finish the and
it takes so long to find a director and find
the behind the scenes team. That this was probably a
four year process. Plus we're making nine episodes, nine hours
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of content, and you know, looking back, it feels like
a million years ago when we started, and it was
really hard to do because you're telling you know, it's
one of the most famous franchises in any sport. It
intersects with the city of Boston in all these ways,
and the NBA in America.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
So it was a pretty ambitious thing. But I feel
good about what we pulled off.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You've also, because of the tragedy to lend Bias, there
was also another run that could have been and wasn't
You guys could have had your next Ross. That's right,
So you you could have had a pre Larry Bird
Lary and you didn't. So that's something I've always thought
about Boston is you know the Lakers, you know, with
with with Kobe and Gasol, you could have had another
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one there. So this is a franchise that could have more.
They've had some bad fate. When you, as a Celtic
fan look at all the teams, is there one that
to you is closest to your heart?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean the Celtics because we had season tickets.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
My dad got a ticket in the seventy three seventy
four season used to carry me in and then we
eventually got two in the late seventies, so I went
to the most Celtic games, So I obviously that's that personally,
just being there, being in the building for some of
the best and the worst stuff, I think matters the most.
I think what's interesting about the team as a whole is,
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you know, they mattered the most. They were the most
successful franchise in the world for the first forty years
really until Bias died, and then it just dipped and
there was this slow process where you're hanging on to
the old memories, you're hoping it's going to work out,
and then eventually you just become another NBA team. The
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Garden goes down in ninety five. They just have this
absolute drought where they're not relevant really for nine solid
years until the two thousand the two team. So it's
this once powerful institution that completely falls apart and then
eventually resurrects, starting with the KG trades. So that part
made it really compelling as a story too. It's it's
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nine episodes, but you know, once we get into the
nineties and the two thousands, it gets pretty dark. A
lot of stuff has happened to this team, so that
made it great from a storytelling standpoint.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, it's a different world. It used to be
that all the NBA guys were fighting for a smaller pie,
and so Michael Jordan really did hate the Pistons and everybody.
You know, there was real animosity. Now, Bird and Magic
didn't like each other initially, but over the course of
time they had some respect for each other.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's a more collaborative basketball world a you guys all
play together. And I've said this about Jason Tatum. He
is a product of what basketball is today. It's not
high school rivalries and college rivalries. It's au basketball. You
may not even go to college by the time you
get into the NBA. All help each other with charities,
your friends, and so we can criticize Tatum, but he
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is a product of this generational basketball player. Lebron doesn't
have any enemies, He's never gotten into a fight.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
They all get paid.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So I guess my point is you can't really criticize
Tatum when he doesn't have quote the instinct that's what
basketball players are today.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Well, I mean, it's funny if you watch the Celtics
season this year, they've definitely butted heads with a few teams,
including the Lakers. I think there's more crap talk during
that last Laker Celtic game than probably the last five
years of it.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Listen, Colin. Celtics nation is very aware of your Tatum takes.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
They've we've heard everybody gets super defensive about him because
the guys having an incredible season.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
First of all, I won the title last year.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, this year, he's the third best guy in the league.
He plays all five positions. Yesterday Portland he was playing
points center with four shooters.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
He can guard everybody. He's the best rebounder on the team.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
I think as a decision maker and just as an
all round player. This is the best he's ever looked
by far, and he's the biggest reason.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
They have a chance to win the title again. I
think last year you could definitely make the case it was.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
One A and one B with him and Jalen Brown,
and they had a great, in a good way, a
seesaw thing where they would lift each other up if
one guy was down.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
This year, it's been Tatum season.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
He's the best guy in the team, and other than
SG and Jokic, she's been the most day to day
impactful guy in the league.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
And he's really durable, which I think, you know, both
of us have criticized NBA players for you.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Play sixty five games and you call it a season
and you take like little sabbaticals or you leave or
your nurse injuries. Tatum's out there all the time, and
I think what he has turned into over the last
couple of years has exceeded any expectation I ever could
have had. You're basically hoping he could be a poor
man's to ran when they drafted him, and now you're
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talking about somebody that has a chance to be one
of the four or five best Celtics ever.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And I also think, unlike Duran, he's not a wanderer,
like I could see him playing for this team forever
and then I mean, he's just that's not his personal question.
I've said this before. They look, all basketball players enter
every night with an empty canvas. They're all artists. More
than any other sport. Basketball players are artists. They spill paint,
they have bad nights. Steph Curry has horrible shooting nights,
the difference is Lebron is more Bono or jay Z
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where he's a businessman and Kad is more pearl Jam.
I'm gonna sue Ticketmaster. Tatum's more Lebron. He's happy, he's content,
he's community. It's about business and basketball. So I could
see him staying forever. And I think that's good for
the Celtics. That's just kind of more He's more Lebron
than Durant personality wise.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean that's one of the things our documentary
is about. For whatever is in this franchise, the history
of the guys who played for and the things that
have happened, and the banners and all the ups and
downs and read our Back and people who are dead
Russell read our Back, Tommy Heinsen. Everybody's basically gone except
Coozy and sach standers. But I think the newer guys
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when they come in, they really feel that there's something
different about the history, the way the generations interact. I
think in Tatum's case, some of that circumstance, like he
ended up on the best possible team for him with
the city that absolutely loves him. I don't know if
the Durant stuff is totally fair because to me, Durant
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is just a series.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
And I know I'm always a Durant.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Defender, but I think it's I think it's a series
of sliding doors with him. You could argue if they
never leave Seattle and that team is still there with
with Westbrook and maybe Harden and Abaca and an owner
actually cared about the franchise and kept them in Seattle,
which is, you know, one of the most I loaded
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from a money standpoint cities we have. Maybe he's still there,
maybe he never leaves, maybe he becomes what Tatum's going
to be in Boston.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
So I think you need luck with this stuff.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Lebron didn't have luck in Cleveland because they were always
trying to catch up with him in the two thousands.
They're always trying to make the team as good as possible,
as fast as possible, and sign free agents and make
these big trades and just constantly try to chase the
title before they were really ready. And eventually he realized
I can't win with this current setup and he jumps
to Miami. Whether you agree with that or not, that
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was the thinking. I think with Tatum, he's in a
great situation all the way through his twenties, and that's
why you stay.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, it's like quarterbacks. Mahomes would win, but he wouldn't
win as much without read and vetching the one hundred percent. Yeah,
I mean it's where you land, at least in the NFL.
Feels like for quarterbacks about eighty percent of it. I
want to ask you about this. So years ago I
coined this. I was very proud of myself. I said,
I like analytics. I'm not anti analytics, but I like
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MA analytics. Is that in the end, I need to
stop in a bucket. I want a man. I want
an alpha. I don't care about I think a lot
of the analytics in the NBA are great for the
regular season, but postseason basketball is circumstantial. It's possession basketball.
Make a stop. Where are you on analytics?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Again?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'm forum, but playoff basketball it's an alpha sport. That's
why I don't trust Okac for another year. It's why
I didn't trust Cleveland last year, and I do more
this year. The young guys are now more about men.
Where are you on basketball analytics?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I just think everybody has them now.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
We hit a point with baseball when there was an
edge like that's what Moneyball's about, right, and especially the
Moneyball movie, which is Jona Hill's character is a fictional
person of nine different things. And eventually everyone had the analytics,
and then in baseball, then it moved to defense, and
then it moved to like, you know, some of the
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health stuff, and it just kept trying to evolve. I
think in basketball, they're all looking at the same stuff.
It's better to shoot threes than twos. You want interchangeable athletes.
I think teams like Oka See in Boston have really
set the trend for if we just have long guys
everywhere who can shoot and they're interchangeable, and that's what
we're doing for four quarters.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
That's the biggest advantage you can have.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
I went to Okay See Quippers last night, dare Miss
and Jalen Williams and Chat Holmgren.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
It didn't matter. They still won. Yeah, and they were
and they had defense.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
They could switch on every possession on offense, even though
Sga he couldn't buy a basket the whole night, but
they had just guys sending picks for him constantly. He's
creating stuff for everybody and they have a real identity,
and I.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Think the Celtics do too, the Celtics. If you play
minutes for the Celtics, you have to be able to shoot.
That's it.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
So I think from an analytics standpoint, the analytics are
more about identity than player to player. It's like, what
are you trying to be? I think the Lakers are
struggling with that right now. I went to the Bulls
game Saturday night.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
By the way, Colin, you live in LA.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
You realize you could come to some of these basketball
games in season ticket hole.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
I see you in the arena studying the action.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
But but I went to that Bulls Laker game and
the Bulls were just like, we're running this whole time. Yep,
We're we're gonna run, run down your throats and you're
gonna die by the third quarter, which the Lakers did.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
And you see that.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
And that's a team that their identity because that Lucat trade.
They're trying to patch it together in the fly. I
want identities in the playoffs, and to me, that's more
important than analytics. I think Cleveland is as close to
having one as possible. But you saw last week Kawhi
killed them. Kevin Durant killed them what's Tatum gonna do
against them? When you see these big scoring forwards are
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able to get whatever they want against them.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
So yeah, so I do you buy that? Though I'm
more of an identity guy than an analytics guy.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I think. I think there are a lot of
similarities in sports. What are you?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Pitchings all? I mean, baseball is all about pitching. I
got better pitching, I win the series. I mean even
shoe heel talk can have a badge. It's all it's about.
It's about. But in basketball and football, what are you?
Because I think in crisis, it's just like it's just
like as a parent or as a business, Oh we've
got crisis. Everybody in the building has to know what
do we lean on? Where do we go when you're
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playing bad teams? When the Calves are playing the Celtics,
I think the Celtics win because I think they have
a greater sense of identity. Even though the Calves can
be more efficient, I think there are times you can
argue that they've had better games against Boston. I think
Boston has a better sense of what they are in
a tie game at ninety nine with two thirty left,
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and that's why they'll win.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I got to ask you this, well, we'll wait.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Our friend Riscilla and I always talk about this, the
difference in regular season basketball and playoff basketball, because I
think a regular season team can have a different kind
of success than a playoffs trne if you go to
the playoffs and you're only doing one thing, and that
can work if you only see a team once, but
when you see them for two weeks, I think this
could be a real problem for the next The Knicks
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are so Jalen Brunson centric that we're going to get
to the playoffs, and you just see that over and
over again for two weeks, you can get used to it.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
The Celtics with Luca in the finals last year, the
same thing.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
They just they got used to how Dallas is playing,
and they you know, as the series went along it
was great for them. So I think the ability to
kind of change personas, which I think Okayse has, I
think Boston has, I think Cleveland potentially has.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
That's the number one thing you want in the.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Playoffs as a Celtic guy.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
In the show, by the way, it's called Celtic City
Episode for Great Hope airs Tonight, and that's the Arrival
of Larry Bird, which is yes again again, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
In my wheelhouse.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I remember I watched The Michigan State when it was
Magic and Greg Kelser and it was the Sycamores from Indiana.
So that's that's right in my wheelhouse. The guy that
just turned sixty. So is there something about give me
just a taste because we all know the Larry Bird
story and and and is give me a little a
side or a little a little thought on Larry Bird
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that don't give away too much. But but maybe you
didn't even know and then you kind of found out.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
You know, you always see this stuff about when the
guys were at their apexes, when they're at their best,
especially in documentaries.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I've certainly been involved in.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
A few of them.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
I think it's a really interesting piece of it is
when the guy is banged up and passed their prime
and holding on and the thing that still makes them
great or made them great once upon a time, they can.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Still kind of go back and grab it every once
in a while.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
And that's like there's basically three straight Bird era episodes coming,
and that last episode is about how do you stay
great when your body's starting to break?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Down.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
What does that mean? When do you know when it's
time to walk away?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
And I think that's the part that I think people
don't remember now with Bird Magic all of a sudden
was gone, right he had the HIV diagnosis and that
was it.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
He retired. We never saw him hit that stage. Jordan
left at.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
The absolute peak and then came back and went through
it with the Wizards for those last two years. And
if you're remember, those were really interesting Wizard seasons for him,
right his knees were banged up, he was doing it
on a lot of memory and was still awesome.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
So I think with bird and.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Sometimes it goes terrible, you know, like and especially you
see it in football. You've seen with Aaron Rodgers right
now the last couple of years right just awful.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Like it couldn't the ending couldn't be worse.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
I think with the Bird one, he's got this thirty
pounds back brace and he's still able to like kick
butt against the best guys in the league during like
one of the hardest eras we've ever.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Had for basketball.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
So I think that part, I think people are going
to be surprised how much they forgot about that section.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, it's called Celtic City. It's supposed to be great.
I will watch it. I watch everything, by the way
I just saw.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
No, No, I absolutely watch it. I'll bet you anything
all while. Well, I'm gonna start watching it tonight. I
will watch it, all right. Okay, I would appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
But we know you're not going to basketball games in LA,
so you have more time.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm a bull season ticket older. I've seen Tatum play
live four times.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I am nice. The Bulls are looking good.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, if they get good, really good.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
A decade of playing appearances for the Bulls, that's it.
They're just they live in the playing, that's all. They want,
no luxury tax playing, and they're happy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, So I'm gonna one football take one. I think
we both have Maggie Harris. No, no, that's I'm gonna
save that the good stuff for later.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
One Aaron Rodgers take.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And I think you and I are kind of agree
on this is that there's two ways you can be
a quarterback to great quarterback. You can be Brady, which
is great and low maintenance Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
or you can be great and there is maintenance, Cam,
big Ben, Aaron, that group.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It never ends.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, what my take is, Aaron will probably go Steelers,
But deep down he's he paused because he wanted to
go to the Vikings, and I believe he wants brock
Perty to demand sixteen million. I think he walks to
go play for the Niners because he knows the Steelers
don't know offense.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's I'm not a conspiracy guy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That's my conspiracy is deep down he wants to go
to the Bay with Shanahan. What is your take on
this circus that's become aeron over the last couple of years,
his fall to the league's or what do you land
on it?
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well, he was washed up last year as a quarterback.
I mean that's a crucial piece of this. He was terrible.
He was good if he had protection. When he had protection,
is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. I
think he likes when people are talking about him. I
could see him sticking around and being kind of in
the back pocket.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
For if a situation goes wrong with a quarterback or if.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Somebody gets hurt, and maybe that he won't officially retire
and he'll wait and he'll wait and he'll wait and
see what happens. I honestly think Brady, even after Brady
retired from the Bucks, I think there was a world
for the next two years where he would have come
back if something had happened to a QBM, one of
the best teams. I think it's really hard for these
guys to let go. But I mean, my big picture
(24:57):
take on this, and it ties in with Lebron and Brady.
I think those guys and how successful they they have been.
Lebron is late thirties into his forties and then Brady
all the way to forty five. I think it's just
completely ruined how we should be seeing the end of
people's careers. We're expecting these people when they're thirty seven,
thirty eight, thirty nine to just still be good and
(25:20):
guess what, it's not going to happen, Like Lebron and
Brady are generational anomalies, and what's supposed to happen is
you're supposed to hate your late thirties as a quarterback
and you're supposed to be washed up, and that's just
how it's supposed to go. And then basketball, same thing
you're supposed to be Paul George.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Thirty four to thirty five.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Guess what, Athletically, you're going to start slipping year after
year after year, because that's how it goes. And Lebron
and Brady because they are such maniacs and they spend
three hundred and sixty five days a year getting their
bodies ready, and every decision they make was about still
continuing to dominate. I don't think it's replicable, and I
think it's I think it's going to cause more bad
decisions like the Cousins on Track, Rogers, you name it,
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some of the basketball stuff that's coming. I just think
those guys screwed it up for everybody else. As weird
as that sounds.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
One more take four years in a role, I have
picked a bad team to be good the next year Washington,
last year in Denver, Rams, the previous year Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
My pick is New England. I said, between the.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Money, the drawd and Mayot of rabel Is, you're talking
about different level of coaching.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think Drake may is Herbert. I think they look alike.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think they they they're their size, they move, give
me a real okay, forget we know you think they'll
be better.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But I got that.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
No, I'm always realistic with my teams.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, so I think there were a nine one and I.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Know you've You and I have both done a good
job over the years of identifying possible people like I
went twenty seven and five in my over unders before
the season last year, like I'll never top that again.
So I must feel like I'm gonna do badly this
year because they did too well last year. But my
picks were actually good, whereas I saw your blazing five record,
it was pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
My condolences, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
I just think you know, obviously your priorities were out
of whack and you just didn't care. We all look
forward to you carring more this year and trying to
re establish your dominance. But listen, the Patriots recipe is
exactly the same as Washington.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Last year. The Washington thing did not make sense.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
They were in Philly's division, they were in a really
loaded NFC, They had all this turnover. Oh how are
they going to do this? But then you look at it,
it's like terrible coaching staff. All of a sudden, they
had a good coaching staff. They all of a sudden
had a good quarterback The year before they did it.
They spent a bunch of money on free agents, they
did well in the draft, and they played an easy schedule.
(27:42):
So we know what the recipe is. We look at
it every year. I think the Pats if they can
nail the draft and they can figure out left tackle
and at least one.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Playmaker, I think when you consider how awful the.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
Coaching staff was last year, I was one of the
worst coach teams I've ever had in any Boston sport.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
You couldn't even believe it week to week how bad
it was. So you have Drake, they get a.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Couple of blue Chippers, easy schedule, they add around, and
then you throw in Mike Fable, who I think everybody
thinks is a top six or seven coach.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
It's reasonable to go from four wins to ten. Like
we see it every year. Where I was like, oh,
who saw this coming? We always see it coming.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
This happens every year, and it's always about a schedule
and a coach and a QB.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
All right, Well, you know he doesn't return my text,
so I get him about once every seven years.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Very busy, that's ballooney, You're very busy. Don't get a
lot of time that's ballooney.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I'm always I'm always down for a hang.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You could invite me to any like like. I haven't
been into it yet, but I'm always available if you
want to invite me to see.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
This is what I'm talking about into.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
It's the best basketball arena ever built, and it's relatively
close to where you live.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
And you're like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll go
one of these times and see what see. I could
go to any game I want to. I'll pass.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You couldn't you acknowledge I at least moved into WWE
respecting it now? That was a big bone of contention
between us. It's no longer.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I've been to two.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Has the community accepted you though, No. You said some.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Mean things way back when there was a bigger readers.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
You had that going.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
You look down on people, You made people feel dumb
about it.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Now you're back.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know if I'm back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm just you know, I'm I'm more willing to accept
that it is just what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's theater. It's fun. Just lean into it and have fun.
I was you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Well, I'm trying to tell you forever, look at this
two guys who used to work for the Worldwide Leaders
still doing well.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Funny how that happens. Huh. Everyone says, oh, he can't
leave there. Oh no, can't leave the Worldwide Leader. Hod
Leves can fall part. Guess what we're fine.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
We've done. Okay, we've done. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's called Celtic City Episode four tonight, great hope period.
This is the Larry Bird stuff. So for if you're
in your twenty the thirties, you'll remember this stuff. This
will be the episode. Is this the one you're proudest of?
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, they're all good, obviously, the staff's obviously great.
I went and looked up the people working on Is
this one of these you're really the hit episode?
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I honestly, I'm proud of all of them.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
I think this is This gets fun because this is
the first stretch of episodes where everybody we're interviewing is
actually still alive, so, you know, because we're going way
way back to the fifties, sixties and seventies, and sadly
a lot of those people are now gone. So this
was it was nice to get, you know, some some
people who are still around talking about things that they
(30:39):
can actually remember, so yeah, it's I'm really proud of it.
And the thing about tonight is Boston versus Philly was
the best Boston rivalry of my childhood, and beating the
Sixers mattered as much as anything except the Yankees and Canadians.
I would say, yeah, I remember, so you know, it's
(31:00):
I had never really seen that captured in the right way,
so we tried to do it in this episode.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, great Sixer teams with Steve Mix and Caldwell Jones
and Andrew Tony and Mo Cheeks and doctor j George McGuinness.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
People.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I always say this, there may not have been a
dynasty in the seventies and early eighties until the Celtics
Lakers arrived. Seventies NBA basketball was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It was great.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
That was great, very super weird with two pre bird Bird.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Rick Berry was pre bird Bird, grumpy, great shooter forward
who didn't get along with some people. But it was
a different time. But he was pre bird bird, sixth
eight guy that could shoot right.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
And there was a lot of mystique for people like
us back then because none of the games were ever on.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
So you followed the league through the basketball handbooks and
basketball cards and Sports Illustrated and newspapers, and every once
in a while there would be a game on. But
like during the games in Boston the seventies, David Thompson,
and they maybe came once twice a year, you know,
George Gervin, these guys, if you didn't go the one
time they were in town, you never saw them again.
(32:04):
And now everything's so available. Now you can follow the
NBA and you don't even need to go to games
or watch games.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
You could follow it on social media and you know,
on Twitter.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
So I'm a nostalgic for that era too, because it
really you really had to care and you really had
to follow what was going on.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I was the only kid in the neighborhood that collected
NBA cards and not baseball cards. So you know, I
can I go back to Elmore Smith Laker Center number three,
I go way back. Bill Simmons, CEO, the Ringer and
the Founder as well. Celtic City episode four tonight, Great
Hope periods the Larry Bird issue. It airs tonight on Max.
New episode focuses on the arrival of Larry Bird. That
(32:44):
as much watch as always you know, I appreciate when
you stop by your busy guy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I appreciate it too, And I don't come in because
you do the desk that's higher than the guest chair,
and I don't appreciate the power play by you, so
I'd rather do it on simm But great to see you.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Totally get it. Bill Simmons.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
How's a long interview for us? We don't do that
very often, but there's a lot of stuff to cover.
He's obviously an interesting cat and I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah,
I think about that. They had that absolutely awful Lend
Bias tragedy that could have been another You know, he
was out of Maryland. If you didn't see Len Bias
playing college number thirty four, there was just nothing like it.
He has a little Dominique Wilkins, little David Thompson, just wildly.
(33:26):
If I could compare him to a football player, be
Adrian Peterson, like just bigger, stronger than other players of
his generation. Just didn't look the same or play the same.
The tragedy in his early death or they could have
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Speaker 9 (34:00):
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
By the way, if you've not seen this, the Giants
signed Jameis Winston to a two year deal and the
Steelers are waiting on Aaron Rodgers. But it is amazing
that we were talking about this. The reason the Celtics
are so good is because they've had like basketball savants
between Danny Age and Brad Stevens. Running the franchise where
Dave Gettleman into Joe Shane has been just a mess
for the Giants. Just think of the Comedy of Airs. Basically,
(34:33):
the New York Giants now are crossing their fingers that
the Cleveland Browns don't take a quarterback. They've been reduced
to praying the Cleveland Browns pass on shaudor Sanders between
the Joe Judge higher ten wins in two years disaster.
He's now like working for Old Miss as a senior analysts,
apparently like mostly out of coaching the Daniel Jones reach
(34:54):
for the number six pick. Daniel Jones had a losing
record at Duke as a college quarterback. To the Daniel
Jones extension, to letting Saquon Barkley walk, to letting HBO
sit in on their meetings with John Mara and Joe Shane,
it's just been.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It has been an.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Eight year mess for the New York Giants. And you
know they should almost consider the George Costanza move from Seinfeld.
Just go against your initial instincts, do the opposite of
what you really think is smart. But this is what
we've said this before, is so much of the NFL
and the NBA is the guys upstairs Oklahoma City and
the Celtics very good, very well run.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
The Dallas Mavericks have made some great moves. They stole Kyrie,
the kid from Duke, they drafted great pick, Nico move
Max the other kid they sent to Philadelphia. Have made
some bad moves. So with the New York Giants, though
it's only gone in one direction. The traffic has all
been toward poor judgment. And this is what you get to.
(35:56):
I mean, think about this, three NFL teams in the
state of New York. They're third flow Jets, Giants. Jets
have better players, that is indisputable. That's where they are.
The other thing we talked about, they never had a
thirteen lost season in the history of the franchise, three
times eight years. Is where they're at, all right, We
take a break back with Herdline News.
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Speaker 3 (37:21):
Jmack with the news. Turn on the news. This is
the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
We'll say a quarterback. Rock Perty is still no deal.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
We've been here at negotiations negotiating what is this two
months now, According to NFL Networks, Mike Garafolo.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Saying rock Perty won't necessarily.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Get Dak Prescott sixty million per year, but he'll come
close to it somewhere in the high fifties. I know
this puts a sour look on your face. John Lynch
has said, we have big things coming our way. We
had to clear some room for rock Perty. I don't know, Colin,
where are you on this fifties killing you?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I hear people saying all the time, Oh, you know,
we'll all the gambling money coming into the TV money.
There's plenty of room for Perty. Okay, do you want
a four year deal with a guy that was one
in six against playoff team?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Here we go.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Okay, seems like it's going off one year's worth of
data when the team was the Fury.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, the first year when things didn't go was planned
and he.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Had a little chaos.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's truth serum in the NFL, when maybe your left
tackle is hurt and you know, maybe you don't have
that second primary, you know, that number two receiver and
maybe one of your linebackers, so you have to actually
win shootouts now and the schedule is a little harder
and you're one in six against the good teams.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Interesting kind of like Patrick Mahomes when he does not
offensive line in the Super Bowl, he crumbles like a
lot of paper.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
He gets this kind of tough, gets to the Super
Bowl and just folds like a folding table that I
play cards on. Huh, listen, I will defend brock Purty
for a long time. I don't wait to see the contract.
I'm not gonna chime in with any hot takes on
this one.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Let's get to the next story.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The Rams made a big move this offseason, moving off
Cooper Cup and adding DeVante Adams on a two year,
forty four million dollar deal. Stafford, they get a healthier,
more reliable weapon on the outside. Stafford loved the move,
saying so happy to have him. Will be a big
addition to our team. Thanks for that penetrating inside, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
DeVante Adams will be a big addition to the team,
and they don't be surprised if the If they trade
down in the first round, do not be surprised. Get
themselves a Texas wide receiver late in the first round.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Rams would like to trade down.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Our Golden is nice. I like his game. Yep, he's fast.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
They would like to trade down, but it's not a
very good draft.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Maybe he'll be what tow two out well thought that
he would be right. They kave Golden from Texas. Yeah,
he's got to two outl has been a disappointment no
way around it is that a couple of moments, but
overall disappointing. Final story, Colin, you'll love this Caitlin Clark
baby almost WNBA season.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Well, how about this one.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
They just announced that Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever will have
forty one of forty four games nationally televised or.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Streamed this season.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Now the league has expanded from thirty six games to
forty four. And uh, the defending HIPPI in Liberty.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Can you name anyone on the New York Liberty? I cannot.
Maybe I n s who's on that team? I think no, no,
maybe she's not.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Anyways, they got thirty two national games, the Fever have
forty one.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
The MVP from last year, Aja Wilson thirty three.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Now the WNBA, I would have considered a separate television
package to a network on just Caitlin Clark names.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I would have bought it.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We've had to get serious.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
My kids will like if Caitlin Clark's on, you know, India,
would I.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I would have had two packages, the WNBA package and
then a separate, let's say, fifteen to eighteen game Caitlin
Clark package. For you know, it could be HBO, it
could be Fox, it could be anybody. I would have
sold a separate Caitlin Clark package.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
It's almost like you're a bit this guy. I don't
I don't hate that at all.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
By the way, Angel Wilson's talking about sitting out for
more money. Meanwhile, the Indiana Fever, Hey, we'll put every
game on TV for Kitling Clark.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Everybody wants to watch her.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, they the league wasn't ready for her last year.
They just weren't prepared. She was prepared.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
She's had a full off season now around.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
No, no, no, She's gonna be great. The league just didn't
know what to do.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Get the MVP tickets in. Just bet them, bet them
to win the championship. It's fun and then you get
to watch all our games.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by. It is amazing that the Bruce
Pearl came on an hour ago and we talked about
this about how like college basketball felt like it was
competing against the NBA for years, and I like Adam
Silver Bo's like Adam It's it's unbelievable marketing. If Cooper
flags got national commercials. Now, what if he goes to
(41:48):
the Bulls. It's very magic and bird like a great,
big brand guy goes right to a major market.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Chicago's got some players they just they need.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
They need the flag guy. They need the guy. They
need their Jason Tatum. So it's sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't don't pick fights with people. You don't need to.
I listen. You don't have to like Trump, like him
or not. I don't really care. I don't get picking
on Canada. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's like, Canada's like the greatest neighbor we could have
putin as a neighbor.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
We have Canada like.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
The nicest, most humble people in the world. They send
their educated college kids from fine universities in Toronto and
Montreal McGill University, they send them down to America.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
They're taxpayers. They they are just great employees. Why are
we picking on Canada?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Like, why are you picking on college basketball if you're
in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Like, what is that about?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I mean, I March madness, free marketing, Duke, free marketing,
the Big Ten, free marketing, unc Arizona, Gonzaga. It's like,
just put your arms around him. I mean this Cooper
flag because I'm an NBA fan. I watch much more
NBA than college basketball. I am rooting for Duke even
though I don't have him winning my bracket and going
(42:57):
to Chicago Bull season Dikeator, I just it's good for
the league. Then New York and Philly, La San Francisco,
you all got the stars in all the right places
like baseball does right now.
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Ringer Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Legend.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
You've gone him a.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
While, huh.
Speaker 5 (00:44):
I haven't seen that guy, must have been like ten years.
I went up to him at a Super Bowl party
and he was like, stunt this one. I was with
the Big Lead, you know, and he was like stunned
and he's, oh, the big Lead and you started talking.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
He's actually a pretty nice guy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I saw him. I seen him rest stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
For us with so are you going to wrestling a
lot these days?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
I've been to it.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I went to a WrestleMania a so far and it was.
My son had the best time. I've never seen my
son laugh that much. He loved it. We sat right
in front of Simmons and his son and I told
my son, I said, it's like theater, It's like Broadway.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Lean into it. So my son is booing. You know,
you're a jerk.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
And then you know the wrestling, I've been to two
of them. I've been to a Wrestlemanian. Then I've just
been doing another event.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Fun. What can I say that.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I know I used to call those fans booger readers,
but you know some are.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
It's Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Here we go where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, well, well, j Mack only has ten teams left.
I've got fifteen of sixteen teams left for the television audience.
This is the staff can vouch for me. This is
my bracket. Last week, Jaymack and I went toe to toe.
We gave our brackets in and I'm only missing one team.
(02:00):
Rick Patino did me wrong, but good so far. I'm
probably gonna pay a dear price for not having Duke
win it all. But I think I think you know,
Duke will have their hands full. Leave it at that
where Colin was right. I've said the Dodgers being villains
great for baseball. I just saw the ratings for the
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games in Japan. Twenty five million viewers across all platforms,
most watched baseball game ever in Japan. The second game
almost got as many against the Cubs. Folks outside of
the NFL, sports needs villains. It's good when the Celtics win.
It's good when the Lakers. One of the Yankees and
Dodgers merchandise is off the chain. By the way, those
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games with the viewers were starting at three am Pacific
time and still did really good numbers.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I have a little feud with John Calipari, but
he beat Bill self in round one and Rick Patino
in round one, and he deserves credit because this team's
had injuries all year. They were bad to start the season,
only finished eight and ten in the SEC. But Calipari
deserves credit. He is the only coach ever to take
four different schools, only second coach ever four different schools
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of sweet sixty.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I said when the US men's soccer hired Mauricio Pochadino
that if they ever lost, they'd blame the coach. Well,
we just got shut out by Panama and lost to
Canada in the Nation's League games. It's our worst finish
in a long time. And I've said we overvalue our players.
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We think it doesn't matter who the coach is Jurgen Klinsman,
Steve Bruce Arena, it doesn't matter. The coach always takes
the heat. And my knock has been we have some
good players, but last World Cup we're way too young,
probably still too young to finish as a top four
to eight team. But once again we get a new
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coach after driving one out and it's the same result.
We don't have the intensity in big games like we should.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Rock Perdy reportedly wants Dak money.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I laugh at all these people tell him he's gonna
take a pay cut, team friendly deal. No, even though
he was one and six against playoff teams last year
with more interceptions than touchdowns and had his second troubling injury,
he views himself as great. He's been gassed up because
he's a seventh round pick. He's never made any money,
so he is gonna go and play hardball.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I've said it.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think Aaron Rodgers privately is talking to the Niners.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
I could be wrong on this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
He maybe If I'm Aaron Rodgers, I don't sign. I
sit on the sidelines and wait and watch what's happening.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
With the Niners.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I had Saint John's and Rick in the final four. Listen.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I knew they weren't a great shooting team, but a
lot of college teams aren't great shooting teams. This is
not the NBA. They were awful offensively, and here's Patino
after the loss.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
We thought we were championship driven in our minds, but
I've been disappointed before with this. You hate to see
us play like that. I don't mind going out with
a loss. I just hate to see us play that
way offensively, and you gotta live with it. You put
a lot of time and effort the coaches did. It's
just a bit a pill to swallow.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Ah, the SEC has seven teams in the Sweet sixteen. Florida, Auburn,
and Tennessee all looked good enough to win all miss role.
Number three seed Iowa State Bama is winning to I
went almost all chalk with SEC teams. I had Arkansas
losing to Saint John's, but in the end set it
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In January when I watched the SEC, I said it
two different times on this show. Are you guys watching
college basketball? Because it looks like SEC football about five
years ago. They just look bigger, longer, faster and more
skilled than every other conference. Where Colin was right, Nase
Harris set it out loud. The Steelers don't have any
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identity on offense, he said, I go to the defensive
guys and talk to them, but they wouldn't be too much.
They couldn't tell me about the offensive line. This is
what we've said. It is so crystal clear that is
the NFL pivoted to offense. They led the NFL in
defensive spending again, and they are an antiquated offensive culture.
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That's why I think Nause Harris is one of the
great pickups of the offseason. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, Phil Simmons,
you know him, the Ringer CEO and found culture critic
Bill Simmons podcast at Built. He's a very busy guy,
so if I don't get him very often, but he's
got a cool looking Usually I see you and Roussello
doing your thing, so I have not I'm starting this week.
The staff is all cut up. They're singing the praises
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of your math.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
You're not gonna watch it?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Come on, No, I am, I will, I will, I do,
I travel a lot, I watch. I'll watch every episode.
First one's Koozy, then Russell, then it's the Celtics I
grew up with, which was six eight, Dave Collens at
center and Halta That's what I grew up with. Then
we're going to the one that's really fascinating birds. So
I'm gonna ask you this question to start when you
come up with an idea like this, the day the
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light goes on, the epiphany to the series starts. Because Hollywood,
everything's molasses, everything slow motion, how long is the process
from light bulb to show as airing?
Speaker 8 (07:43):
Well, first of all, it's an honor to follow a
naj Harris segment.
Speaker 7 (07:47):
I was really hoping that would happen in mid March.
Speaker 8 (07:50):
I know the world's talking about Naji right now, so
it's great to be here. That it started probably twenty twenty,
and it just takes so long to finish the and
it takes so long to find a director and find
the behind the scenes team. That this was probably a
four year process. Plus we're making nine episodes, nine hours
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of content, and you know, looking back, it feels like
a million years ago when we started, and it was
really hard to do because you're telling you know, it's
one of the most famous franchises in any sport. It
intersects with the city of Boston in all these ways,
and the NBA in America.
Speaker 7 (08:26):
So it was a pretty ambitious thing. But I feel
good about what we pulled off.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
You've also, because of the tragedy to lend Bias, there
was also another run that could have been and wasn't
You guys could have had your next Ross. That's right,
So you you could have had a pre Larry Bird
Lary and you didn't. So that's something I've always thought
about Boston is you know the Lakers, you know, with
with with Kobe and Gasol, you could have had another
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one there. So this is a franchise that could have more.
They've had some bad fate. When you, as a Celtic
fan look at all the teams, is there one that
to you is closest to your heart?
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I mean the Celtics because we had season tickets.
Speaker 8 (09:09):
My dad got a ticket in the seventy three seventy
four season used to carry me in and then we
eventually got two in the late seventies, so I went
to the most Celtic games, So I obviously that's that personally,
just being there, being in the building for some of
the best and the worst stuff, I think matters the most.
I think what's interesting about the team as a whole is,
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you know, they mattered the most. They were the most
successful franchise in the world for the first forty years
really until Bias died, and then it just dipped and
there was this slow process where you're hanging on to
the old memories, you're hoping it's going to work out,
and then eventually you just become another NBA team. The
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Garden goes down in ninety five. They just have this
absolute drought where they're not relevant really for nine solid
years until the two thousand the two team. So it's
this once powerful institution that completely falls apart and then
eventually resurrects, starting with the KG trades. So that part
made it really compelling as a story too. It's it's
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nine episodes, but you know, once we get into the
nineties and the two thousands, it gets pretty dark. A
lot of stuff has happened to this team, so that
made it great from a storytelling standpoint.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, it's a different world. It used to be
that all the NBA guys were fighting for a smaller pie,
and so Michael Jordan really did hate the Pistons and everybody.
You know, there was real animosity. Now, Bird and Magic
didn't like each other initially, but over the course of
time they had some respect for each other.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's a more collaborative basketball world a you guys all
play together. And I've said this about Jason Tatum. He
is a product of what basketball is today. It's not
high school rivalries and college rivalries. It's au basketball. You
may not even go to college by the time you
get into the NBA. All help each other with charities,
your friends, and so we can criticize Tatum, but he
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is a product of this generational basketball player. Lebron doesn't
have any enemies, He's never gotten into a fight.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
They all get paid.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So I guess my point is you can't really criticize
Tatum when he doesn't have quote the instinct that's what
basketball players are today.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (11:27):
Well, I mean, it's funny if you watch the Celtics
season this year, they've definitely butted heads with a few teams,
including the Lakers. I think there's more crap talk during
that last Laker Celtic game than probably the last five
years of it.
Speaker 7 (11:40):
Listen, Colin. Celtics nation is very aware of your Tatum takes.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
They've we've heard everybody gets super defensive about him because
the guys having an incredible season.
Speaker 7 (11:51):
First of all, I won the title last year.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
Yeah, this year, he's the third best guy in the league.
He plays all five positions. Yesterday Portland he was playing
points center with four shooters.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
He can guard everybody. He's the best rebounder on the team.
Speaker 8 (12:07):
I think as a decision maker and just as an
all round player. This is the best he's ever looked
by far, and he's the biggest reason.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
They have a chance to win the title again. I
think last year you could definitely make the case it was.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
One A and one B with him and Jalen Brown,
and they had a great, in a good way, a
seesaw thing where they would lift each other up if
one guy was down.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
This year, it's been Tatum season.
Speaker 8 (12:29):
He's the best guy in the team, and other than
SG and Jokic, she's been the most day to day
impactful guy in the league.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
And he's really durable, which I think, you know, both
of us have criticized NBA players for you.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Play sixty five games and you call it a season
and you take like little sabbaticals or you leave or
your nurse injuries. Tatum's out there all the time, and
I think what he has turned into over the last
couple of years has exceeded any expectation I ever could
have had. You're basically hoping he could be a poor
man's to ran when they drafted him, and now you're
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talking about somebody that has a chance to be one
of the four or five best Celtics ever.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
And I also think, unlike Duran, he's not a wanderer,
like I could see him playing for this team forever
and then I mean, he's just that's not his personal question.
I've said this before. They look, all basketball players enter
every night with an empty canvas. They're all artists. More
than any other sport. Basketball players are artists. They spill paint,
they have bad nights. Steph Curry has horrible shooting nights,
the difference is Lebron is more Bono or jay Z
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where he's a businessman and Kad is more pearl Jam.
I'm gonna sue Ticketmaster. Tatum's more Lebron. He's happy, he's content,
he's community. It's about business and basketball. So I could
see him staying forever. And I think that's good for
the Celtics. That's just kind of more He's more Lebron
than Durant personality wise.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean that's one of the things our documentary
is about. For whatever is in this franchise, the history
of the guys who played for and the things that
have happened, and the banners and all the ups and
downs and read our Back and people who are dead
Russell read our Back, Tommy Heinsen. Everybody's basically gone except
Coozy and sach standers. But I think the newer guys
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when they come in, they really feel that there's something
different about the history, the way the generations interact. I
think in Tatum's case, some of that circumstance, like he
ended up on the best possible team for him with
the city that absolutely loves him. I don't know if
the Durant stuff is totally fair because to me, Durant
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is just a series.
Speaker 7 (14:32):
And I know I'm always a Durant.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
Defender, but I think it's I think it's a series
of sliding doors with him. You could argue if they
never leave Seattle and that team is still there with
with Westbrook and maybe Harden and Abaca and an owner
actually cared about the franchise and kept them in Seattle,
which is, you know, one of the most I loaded
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from a money standpoint cities we have. Maybe he's still there,
maybe he never leaves, maybe he becomes what Tatum's going
to be in Boston.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
So I think you need luck with this stuff.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
Lebron didn't have luck in Cleveland because they were always
trying to catch up with him in the two thousands.
They're always trying to make the team as good as possible,
as fast as possible, and sign free agents and make
these big trades and just constantly try to chase the
title before they were really ready. And eventually he realized
I can't win with this current setup and he jumps
to Miami. Whether you agree with that or not, that
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was the thinking. I think with Tatum, he's in a
great situation all the way through his twenties, and that's
why you stay.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, it's like quarterbacks. Mahomes would win, but he wouldn't
win as much without read and vetching the one hundred percent. Yeah,
I mean it's where you land, at least in the NFL.
Feels like for quarterbacks about eighty percent of it. I
want to ask you about this. So years ago I
coined this. I was very proud of myself. I said,
I like analytics. I'm not anti analytics, but I like
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MA analytics. Is that in the end, I need to
stop in a bucket. I want a man. I want
an alpha. I don't care about I think a lot
of the analytics in the NBA are great for the
regular season, but postseason basketball is circumstantial. It's possession basketball.
Make a stop. Where are you on analytics?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Again?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I'm forum, but playoff basketball it's an alpha sport. That's
why I don't trust Okac for another year. It's why
I didn't trust Cleveland last year, and I do more
this year. The young guys are now more about men.
Where are you on basketball analytics?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
I just think everybody has them now.
Speaker 8 (16:32):
We hit a point with baseball when there was an
edge like that's what Moneyball's about, right, and especially the
Moneyball movie, which is Jona Hill's character is a fictional
person of nine different things. And eventually everyone had the analytics,
and then in baseball, then it moved to defense, and
then it moved to like, you know, some of the
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health stuff, and it just kept trying to evolve. I
think in basketball, they're all looking at the same stuff.
It's better to shoot threes than twos. You want interchangeable athletes.
I think teams like Oka See in Boston have really
set the trend for if we just have long guys
everywhere who can shoot and they're interchangeable, and that's what
we're doing for four quarters.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
That's the biggest advantage you can have.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
I went to Okay See Quippers last night, dare Miss
and Jalen Williams and Chat Holmgren.
Speaker 7 (17:19):
It didn't matter. They still won. Yeah, and they were
and they had defense.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
They could switch on every possession on offense, even though
Sga he couldn't buy a basket the whole night, but
they had just guys sending picks for him constantly. He's
creating stuff for everybody and they have a real identity,
and I.
Speaker 7 (17:35):
Think the Celtics do too, the Celtics. If you play
minutes for the Celtics, you have to be able to shoot.
That's it.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
So I think from an analytics standpoint, the analytics are
more about identity than player to player. It's like, what
are you trying to be? I think the Lakers are
struggling with that right now. I went to the Bulls
game Saturday night.
Speaker 7 (17:54):
By the way, Colin, you live in LA.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
You realize you could come to some of these basketball
games in season ticket hole.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
I see you in the arena studying the action.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
But but I went to that Bulls Laker game and
the Bulls were just like, we're running this whole time. Yep,
We're we're gonna run, run down your throats and you're
gonna die by the third quarter, which the Lakers did.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
And you see that.
Speaker 8 (18:15):
And that's a team that their identity because that Lucat trade.
They're trying to patch it together in the fly. I
want identities in the playoffs, and to me, that's more
important than analytics. I think Cleveland is as close to
having one as possible. But you saw last week Kawhi
killed them. Kevin Durant killed them what's Tatum gonna do
against them? When you see these big scoring forwards are
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able to get whatever they want against them.
Speaker 7 (18:39):
So yeah, so I do you buy that? Though I'm
more of an identity guy than an analytics guy.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, I think. I think there are a lot of
similarities in sports. What are you?
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Pitchings all? I mean, baseball is all about pitching. I
got better pitching, I win the series. I mean even
shoe heel talk can have a badge. It's all it's about.
It's about. But in basketball and football, what are you?
Because I think in crisis, it's just like it's just
like as a parent or as a business, Oh we've
got crisis. Everybody in the building has to know what
do we lean on? Where do we go when you're
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playing bad teams? When the Calves are playing the Celtics,
I think the Celtics win because I think they have
a greater sense of identity. Even though the Calves can
be more efficient, I think there are times you can
argue that they've had better games against Boston. I think
Boston has a better sense of what they are in
a tie game at ninety nine with two thirty left,
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and that's why they'll win.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I got to ask you this, well, we'll wait.
Speaker 8 (19:32):
Our friend Riscilla and I always talk about this, the
difference in regular season basketball and playoff basketball, because I
think a regular season team can have a different kind
of success than a playoffs trne if you go to
the playoffs and you're only doing one thing, and that
can work if you only see a team once, but
when you see them for two weeks, I think this
could be a real problem for the next The Knicks
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are so Jalen Brunson centric that we're going to get
to the playoffs, and you just see that over and
over again for two weeks, you can get used to it.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
The Celtics with Luca in the finals last year, the
same thing.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
They just they got used to how Dallas is playing,
and they you know, as the series went along it
was great for them. So I think the ability to
kind of change personas, which I think Okayse has, I
think Boston has, I think Cleveland potentially has.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
That's the number one thing you want in the.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Playoffs as a Celtic guy.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
In the show, by the way, it's called Celtic City
Episode for Great Hope airs Tonight, and that's the Arrival
of Larry Bird, which is yes again again, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
In my wheelhouse.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I remember I watched The Michigan State when it was
Magic and Greg Kelser and it was the Sycamores from Indiana.
So that's that's right in my wheelhouse. The guy that
just turned sixty. So is there something about give me
just a taste because we all know the Larry Bird
story and and and is give me a little a
side or a little a little thought on Larry Bird
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that don't give away too much. But but maybe you
didn't even know and then you kind of found out.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
You know, you always see this stuff about when the
guys were at their apexes, when they're at their best,
especially in documentaries.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
I've certainly been involved in.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
A few of them.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
I think it's a really interesting piece of it is
when the guy is banged up and passed their prime
and holding on and the thing that still makes them
great or made them great once upon a time, they can.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Still kind of go back and grab it every once
in a while.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
And that's like there's basically three straight Bird era episodes coming,
and that last episode is about how do you stay
great when your body's starting to break?
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Down.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
What does that mean? When do you know when it's
time to walk away?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
And I think that's the part that I think people
don't remember now with Bird Magic all of a sudden
was gone, right he had the HIV diagnosis and that
was it.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
He retired. We never saw him hit that stage. Jordan
left at.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
The absolute peak and then came back and went through
it with the Wizards for those last two years. And
if you're remember, those were really interesting Wizard seasons for him,
right his knees were banged up, he was doing it
on a lot of memory and was still awesome.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
So I think with bird and.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Sometimes it goes terrible, you know, like and especially you
see it in football. You've seen with Aaron Rodgers right
now the last couple of years right just awful.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Like it couldn't the ending couldn't be worse.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
I think with the Bird one, he's got this thirty
pounds back brace and he's still able to like kick
butt against the best guys in the league during like
one of the hardest eras we've ever.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Had for basketball.
Speaker 8 (22:30):
So I think that part, I think people are going
to be surprised how much they forgot about that section.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, it's called Celtic City. It's supposed to be great.
I will watch it. I watch everything, by the way
I just saw.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
No, No, I absolutely watch it. I'll bet you anything
all while. Well, I'm gonna start watching it tonight. I
will watch it, all right. Okay, I would appreciate that.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
But we know you're not going to basketball games in LA,
so you have more time.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I'm a bull season ticket older. I've seen Tatum play
live four times.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
I am nice. The Bulls are looking good.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, if they get good, really good.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
A decade of playing appearances for the Bulls, that's it.
They're just they live in the playing, that's all. They want,
no luxury tax playing, and they're happy.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, So I'm gonna one football take one. I think
we both have Maggie Harris. No, no, that's I'm gonna
save that the good stuff for later.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
One Aaron Rodgers take.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
And I think you and I are kind of agree
on this is that there's two ways you can be
a quarterback to great quarterback. You can be Brady, which
is great and low maintenance Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson,
or you can be great and there is maintenance, Cam,
big Ben, Aaron, that group.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It never ends.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, what my take is, Aaron will probably go Steelers,
But deep down he's he paused because he wanted to
go to the Vikings, and I believe he wants brock
Perty to demand sixteen million. I think he walks to
go play for the Niners because he knows the Steelers
don't know offense.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
That's I'm not a conspiracy guy.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
That's my conspiracy is deep down he wants to go
to the Bay with Shanahan. What is your take on
this circus that's become aeron over the last couple of years,
his fall to the league's or what do you land
on it?
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Well, he was washed up last year as a quarterback.
I mean that's a crucial piece of this. He was terrible.
He was good if he had protection. When he had protection,
is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. I
think he likes when people are talking about him. I
could see him sticking around and being kind of in
the back pocket.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
For if a situation goes wrong with a quarterback or if.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
Somebody gets hurt, and maybe that he won't officially retire
and he'll wait and he'll wait and he'll wait and
see what happens. I honestly think Brady, even after Brady
retired from the Bucks, I think there was a world
for the next two years where he would have come
back if something had happened to a QBM, one of
the best teams. I think it's really hard for these
guys to let go. But I mean, my big picture
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take on this, and it ties in with Lebron and Brady.
I think those guys and how successful they they have been.
Lebron is late thirties into his forties and then Brady
all the way to forty five. I think it's just
completely ruined how we should be seeing the end of
people's careers. We're expecting these people when they're thirty seven,
thirty eight, thirty nine to just still be good and
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guess what, it's not going to happen, Like Lebron and
Brady are generational anomalies, and what's supposed to happen is
you're supposed to hate your late thirties as a quarterback
and you're supposed to be washed up, and that's just
how it's supposed to go. And then basketball, same thing
you're supposed to be Paul George.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
Thirty four to thirty five.
Speaker 8 (25:39):
Guess what, Athletically, you're going to start slipping year after
year after year, because that's how it goes. And Lebron
and Brady because they are such maniacs and they spend
three hundred and sixty five days a year getting their
bodies ready, and every decision they make was about still
continuing to dominate. I don't think it's replicable, and I
think it's I think it's going to cause more bad
decisions like the Cousins on Track, Rogers, you name it,
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some of the basketball stuff that's coming. I just think
those guys screwed it up for everybody else. As weird
as that sounds.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
One more take four years in a role, I have
picked a bad team to be good the next year Washington,
last year in Denver, Rams, the previous year Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
My pick is New England. I said, between the.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Money, the drawd and Mayot of rabel Is, you're talking
about different level of coaching.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I think Drake may is Herbert. I think they look alike.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I think they they they're their size, they move, give
me a real okay, forget we know you think they'll
be better.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
But I got that.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
No, I'm always realistic with my teams.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, so I think there were a nine one and I.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Know you've You and I have both done a good
job over the years of identifying possible people like I
went twenty seven and five in my over unders before
the season last year, like I'll never top that again.
So I must feel like I'm gonna do badly this
year because they did too well last year. But my
picks were actually good, whereas I saw your blazing five record,
it was pretty bad.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
My condolences, I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (27:06):
I just think you know, obviously your priorities were out
of whack and you just didn't care. We all look
forward to you carring more this year and trying to
re establish your dominance. But listen, the Patriots recipe is
exactly the same as Washington.
Speaker 7 (27:19):
Last year. The Washington thing did not make sense.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
They were in Philly's division, they were in a really
loaded NFC, They had all this turnover. Oh how are
they going to do this? But then you look at it,
it's like terrible coaching staff. All of a sudden, they
had a good coaching staff. They all of a sudden
had a good quarterback The year before they did it.
They spent a bunch of money on free agents, they
did well in the draft, and they played an easy schedule.
(27:42):
So we know what the recipe is. We look at
it every year. I think the Pats if they can
nail the draft and they can figure out left tackle
and at least one.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Playmaker, I think when you consider how awful the.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
Coaching staff was last year, I was one of the
worst coach teams I've ever had in any Boston sport.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
You couldn't even believe it week to week how bad
it was. So you have Drake, they get a.
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Couple of blue Chippers, easy schedule, they add around, and
then you throw in Mike Fable, who I think everybody
thinks is a top six or seven coach.
Speaker 7 (28:15):
It's reasonable to go from four wins to ten. Like
we see it every year. Where I was like, oh,
who saw this coming? We always see it coming.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
This happens every year, and it's always about a schedule
and a coach and a QB.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
All right, Well, you know he doesn't return my text,
so I get him about once every seven years.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Very busy, that's ballooney, You're very busy. Don't get a
lot of time that's ballooney.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
I'm always I'm always down for a hang.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You could invite me to any like like. I haven't
been into it yet, but I'm always available if you
want to invite me to see.
Speaker 7 (28:45):
This is what I'm talking about into.
Speaker 8 (28:47):
It's the best basketball arena ever built, and it's relatively
close to where you live.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
And you're like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'll go
one of these times and see what see. I could
go to any game I want to. I'll pass.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
You couldn't you acknowledge I at least moved into WWE
respecting it now? That was a big bone of contention
between us. It's no longer.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I've been to two.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Has the community accepted you though, No. You said some.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Mean things way back when there was a bigger readers.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
You had that going.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
You look down on people, You made people feel dumb
about it.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
Now you're back.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I don't know if I'm back.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I'm just you know, I'm I'm more willing to accept
that it is just what it is.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's theater. It's fun. Just lean into it and have fun.
I was you know, it wasn't.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Well, I'm trying to tell you forever, look at this
two guys who used to work for the Worldwide Leaders
still doing well.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Funny how that happens. Huh. Everyone says, oh, he can't
leave there. Oh no, can't leave the Worldwide Leader. Hod
Leves can fall part. Guess what we're fine.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
We've done. Okay, we've done. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's called Celtic City Episode four tonight, great hope period.
This is the Larry Bird stuff. So for if you're
in your twenty the thirties, you'll remember this stuff. This
will be the episode. Is this the one you're proudest of?
Speaker 9 (30:04):
Is this?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I mean, they're all good, obviously, the staff's obviously great.
I went and looked up the people working on Is
this one of these you're really the hit episode?
Speaker 7 (30:15):
I honestly, I'm proud of all of them.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
I think this is This gets fun because this is
the first stretch of episodes where everybody we're interviewing is
actually still alive, so, you know, because we're going way
way back to the fifties, sixties and seventies, and sadly
a lot of those people are now gone. So this
was it was nice to get, you know, some some
people who are still around talking about things that they
(30:39):
can actually remember, so yeah, it's I'm really proud of it.
And the thing about tonight is Boston versus Philly was
the best Boston rivalry of my childhood, and beating the
Sixers mattered as much as anything except the Yankees and Canadians.
I would say, yeah, I remember, so you know, it's
(31:00):
I had never really seen that captured in the right way,
so we tried to do it in this episode.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, great Sixer teams with Steve Mix and Caldwell Jones
and Andrew Tony and Mo Cheeks and doctor j George McGuinness.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
People.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I always say this, there may not have been a
dynasty in the seventies and early eighties until the Celtics
Lakers arrived. Seventies NBA basketball was fantastic.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
It was great.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
That was great, very super weird with two pre bird Bird.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Rick Berry was pre bird Bird, grumpy, great shooter forward
who didn't get along with some people. But it was
a different time. But he was pre bird bird, sixth
eight guy that could shoot right.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
And there was a lot of mystique for people like
us back then because none of the games were ever on.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
So you followed the league through the basketball handbooks and
basketball cards and Sports Illustrated and newspapers, and every once
in a while there would be a game on. But
like during the games in Boston the seventies, David Thompson,
and they maybe came once twice a year, you know,
George Gervin, these guys, if you didn't go the one
time they were in town, you never saw them again.
(32:04):
And now everything's so available. Now you can follow the
NBA and you don't even need to go to games
or watch games.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
You could follow it on social media and you know,
on Twitter.
Speaker 8 (32:15):
So I'm a nostalgic for that era too, because it
really you really had to care and you really had
to follow what was going on.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I was the only kid in the neighborhood that collected
NBA cards and not baseball cards. So you know, I
can I go back to Elmore Smith Laker Center number three,
I go way back. Bill Simmons, CEO, the Ringer and
the Founder as well. Celtic City episode four tonight, Great
Hope periods the Larry Bird issue. It airs tonight on Max.
New episode focuses on the arrival of Larry Bird. That
(32:44):
as much watch as always you know, I appreciate when
you stop by your busy guy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (32:49):
I appreciate it too, And I don't come in because
you do the desk that's higher than the guest chair,
and I don't appreciate the power play by you, so
I'd rather do it on simm But great to see you.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Totally get it. Bill Simmons.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
How's a long interview for us? We don't do that
very often, but there's a lot of stuff to cover.
He's obviously an interesting cat and I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah,
I think about that. They had that absolutely awful Lend
Bias tragedy that could have been another You know, he
was out of Maryland. If you didn't see Len Bias
playing college number thirty four, there was just nothing like it.
He has a little Dominique Wilkins, little David Thompson, just wildly.
(33:26):
If I could compare him to a football player, be
Adrian Peterson, like just bigger, stronger than other players of
his generation. Just didn't look the same or play the same.
The tragedy in his early death or they could have
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we take a break Updates next with j mack Live.
Speaker 9 (34:00):
One more heard. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,
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Speaker 1 (34:11):
By the way, if you've not seen this, the Giants
signed Jameis Winston to a two year deal and the
Steelers are waiting on Aaron Rodgers. But it is amazing
that we were talking about this. The reason the Celtics
are so good is because they've had like basketball savants
between Danny Age and Brad Stevens. Running the franchise where
Dave Gettleman into Joe Shane has been just a mess
for the Giants. Just think of the Comedy of Airs. Basically,
(34:33):
the New York Giants now are crossing their fingers that
the Cleveland Browns don't take a quarterback. They've been reduced
to praying the Cleveland Browns pass on shaudor Sanders between
the Joe Judge higher ten wins in two years disaster.
He's now like working for Old Miss as a senior analysts,
apparently like mostly out of coaching the Daniel Jones reach
(34:54):
for the number six pick. Daniel Jones had a losing
record at Duke as a college quarterback. To the Daniel
Jones extension, to letting Saquon Barkley walk, to letting HBO
sit in on their meetings with John Mara and Joe Shane,
it's just been.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It has been an.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Eight year mess for the New York Giants. And you
know they should almost consider the George Costanza move from Seinfeld.
Just go against your initial instincts, do the opposite of
what you really think is smart. But this is what
we've said this before, is so much of the NFL
and the NBA is the guys upstairs Oklahoma City and
the Celtics very good, very well run.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
The Dallas Mavericks have made some great moves. They stole Kyrie,
the kid from Duke, they drafted great pick, Nico move
Max the other kid they sent to Philadelphia. Have made
some bad moves. So with the New York Giants, though
it's only gone in one direction. The traffic has all
been toward poor judgment. And this is what you get to.
(35:56):
I mean, think about this, three NFL teams in the
state of New York. They're third flow Jets, Giants. Jets
have better players, that is indisputable. That's where they are.
The other thing we talked about, they never had a
thirteen lost season in the history of the franchise, three
times eight years. Is where they're at, all right, We
take a break back with Herdline News.
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Speaker 3 (37:21):
Jmack with the news. Turn on the news. This is
the Herdline News.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
We'll say a quarterback. Rock Perty is still no deal.
Speaker 5 (37:32):
We've been here at negotiations negotiating what is this two
months now, According to NFL Networks, Mike Garafolo.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Saying rock Perty won't necessarily.
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Get Dak Prescott sixty million per year, but he'll come
close to it somewhere in the high fifties. I know
this puts a sour look on your face. John Lynch
has said, we have big things coming our way. We
had to clear some room for rock Perty. I don't know, Colin,
where are you on this fifties killing you?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I hear people saying all the time, Oh, you know,
we'll all the gambling money coming into the TV money.
There's plenty of room for Perty. Okay, do you want
a four year deal with a guy that was one
in six against playoff team?
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (38:12):
Here we go.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
Okay, seems like it's going off one year's worth of
data when the team was the Fury.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, the first year when things didn't go was planned
and he.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Had a little chaos.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
That's truth serum in the NFL, when maybe your left
tackle is hurt and you know, maybe you don't have
that second primary, you know, that number two receiver and
maybe one of your linebackers, so you have to actually
win shootouts now and the schedule is a little harder
and you're one in six against the good teams.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
Interesting kind of like Patrick Mahomes when he does not
offensive line in the Super Bowl, he crumbles like a
lot of paper.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
He gets this kind of tough, gets to the Super
Bowl and just folds like a folding table that I
play cards on. Huh, listen, I will defend brock Purty
for a long time. I don't wait to see the contract.
I'm not gonna chime in with any hot takes on
this one.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Let's get to the next story.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The Rams made a big move this offseason, moving off
Cooper Cup and adding DeVante Adams on a two year,
forty four million dollar deal. Stafford, they get a healthier,
more reliable weapon on the outside. Stafford loved the move,
saying so happy to have him. Will be a big
addition to our team. Thanks for that penetrating inside, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
DeVante Adams will be a big addition to the team,
and they don't be surprised if the If they trade
down in the first round, do not be surprised. Get
themselves a Texas wide receiver late in the first round.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Rams would like to trade down.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Our Golden is nice. I like his game. Yep, he's fast.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
They would like to trade down, but it's not a
very good draft.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
Maybe he'll be what tow two out well thought that
he would be right. They kave Golden from Texas. Yeah,
he's got to two outl has been a disappointment no
way around it is that a couple of moments, but
overall disappointing. Final story, Colin, you'll love this Caitlin Clark
baby almost WNBA season.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Well, how about this one.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
They just announced that Caitlin Clark's Indiana Fever will have
forty one of forty four games nationally televised or.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Streamed this season.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Now the league has expanded from thirty six games to
forty four. And uh, the defending HIPPI in Liberty.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Can you name anyone on the New York Liberty? I cannot.
Maybe I n s who's on that team? I think no, no,
maybe she's not.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Anyways, they got thirty two national games, the Fever have
forty one.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
The MVP from last year, Aja Wilson thirty three.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Now the WNBA, I would have considered a separate television
package to a network on just Caitlin Clark names.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I would have bought it.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
We've had to get serious.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
My kids will like if Caitlin Clark's on, you know, India,
would I.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
I would have had two packages, the WNBA package and
then a separate, let's say, fifteen to eighteen game Caitlin
Clark package. For you know, it could be HBO, it
could be Fox, it could be anybody. I would have
sold a separate Caitlin Clark package.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
It's almost like you're a bit this guy. I don't
I don't hate that at all.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
By the way, Angel Wilson's talking about sitting out for
more money. Meanwhile, the Indiana Fever, Hey, we'll put every
game on TV for Kitling Clark.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Everybody wants to watch her.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, they the league wasn't ready for her last year.
They just weren't prepared. She was prepared.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
She's had a full off season now around.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
No, no, no, She's gonna be great. The league just didn't
know what to do.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Get the MVP tickets in. Just bet them, bet them
to win the championship. It's fun and then you get
to watch all our games.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
J McK with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by. It is amazing that the Bruce
Pearl came on an hour ago and we talked about
this about how like college basketball felt like it was
competing against the NBA for years, and I like Adam
Silver Bo's like Adam It's it's unbelievable marketing. If Cooper
flags got national commercials. Now, what if he goes to
(41:48):
the Bulls. It's very magic and bird like a great,
big brand guy goes right to a major market.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Chicago's got some players they just they need.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
They need the flag guy. They need the guy. They
need their Jason Tatum. So it's sometimes I.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Don't don't pick fights with people. You don't need to.
I listen. You don't have to like Trump, like him
or not. I don't really care. I don't get picking
on Canada. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's like, Canada's like the greatest neighbor we could have
putin as a neighbor.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
We have Canada like.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
The nicest, most humble people in the world. They send
their educated college kids from fine universities in Toronto and
Montreal McGill University, they send them down to America.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
They're taxpayers. They they are just great employees. Why are
we picking on Canada?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Like, why are you picking on college basketball if you're
in the NBA?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Like, what is that about?
Speaker 1 (42:37):
I mean, I March madness, free marketing, Duke, free marketing,
the Big Ten, free marketing, unc Arizona, Gonzaga. It's like,
just put your arms around him. I mean this Cooper
flag because I'm an NBA fan. I watch much more
NBA than college basketball. I am rooting for Duke even
though I don't have him winning my bracket and going
(42:57):
to Chicago Bull season Dikeator, I just it's good for
the league. Then New York and Philly, La San Francisco,
you all got the stars in all the right places
like baseball does right now.
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