July 21, 2025 • 42 mins
Colin tells you why he was right about the Steelers & TJ Watt but wrong about the Dodgers.
He also talks to 3-time Pro Bowl QB Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to tell Colin why all the pressure this season is going to be on quarterback Caleb Williams
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man hour one on a Monday, flew by We are Live,
We're Chicago. It is The Herd. Good stuff with Matt
Hassel back in about four or five minutes. Training camps
are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster.
You got a young team and there's a couple of
them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Max, you know,
I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big
Ten overtaking the SEC, and a lot of it is
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the Big ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate, it's
easier to raise nil money. If you look at the
top two teams in the SEC map nil spending, it's
Texas and Texas m that's not the SEC, that's Texas economy.
And so if you look at the Big ten, Oregon's
got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money. Ohio State's
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got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates,
and I think that's why the Big Ten is going
to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter.
Now it's about paying the players, and the Big Ten
can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more
elite players.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
By the way, do you remember early last year. I
think it was like August in early September. A lot
of SEC teams were losing games, and I think we
talked about it at the time in the SEC fans, Oh,
it's early, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
They're definitely not fine.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I thought your car dealership point first hour was really
spot on, Like car dealership money is great free NIL.
Now in the NIL ere there's so much bigger money
at play with some of these other universities. The Texas
Tech example, colin It got a few billionaire Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
If you took the long Horns and the Aggies out
of the SEC, the gap in spending between the Big
Ten and the SEC would be even larger. Mean, it's
like the Longhorns in A and M's. That's the Texas economy.
The Texas economy. It's one of the biggest economies in
the world. It's a monster. That's a whole different ballgame.
Saban knew this very early when the NIL money started.
(02:18):
He grumbled year one, you go back and look at
those quotes, and I said it on the air. He
is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete.
Sark's roster second year of the NIL was nix roster
three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go
on a Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong. Let's roll it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ah, the offensively tone def Steelers Mike Tomlin can't help himself.
Gave TJ. Watt the biggest non quarterback contract in the league.
They will once again lead the NFL in defensive spending.
It's not the player, but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they
played Darius Slay, they paid TJ. Watt. Yet they can't
get their offensive line right. They let No she Harris go.
(03:01):
It's not that Mike Tomlin's on a good coach. This
organization spends too much money. Billy doesn't, Rams don't. Niners
let defensive guys go. Kansas City doesn't pay defense.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Pittsburgh does. Where Colin was wrong, just when.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I gave the WNBA players credit for in a private
poll naming Kitlin Clark is the face of the league
going forward. And then Kelsey Plumb comes out takes a
shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't present for
you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations. She said,
(03:40):
it was a very powerful moment wearing those T shirts,
but she said, you know, nobody from team Caitlyn Clark
was present. Can we stop? You guys are flying private.
There's one reason Caitlin Clark. Somebody joined the band that's
roy popular. You're traveling in style. Give it a.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Break where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
NFL executives, scouts and coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts
ninth best quarterback in the NFL. That's what I've said, character, leadership, playmaking,
strength excellent. Love him, but from the pocket. After a
week five by the Eagles coaching staff reduced a number
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of passes thrown per game to twenty four and they
were a better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or
Josh Allen. I can like a player, but say, yeah,
there's limitations. Greg co Selz been saying this for a year.
I love Jalen Hurts, He's not an elite pocket thrower. Consistently,
where Colin was right, well, I said, Penn State I've
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set up for the last month is the best team
in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State. Even though
the Buckeyes have the best offensive player and the best
defensive player and Ryan Day. Penn State was just awarded
the media poll over Ohio State as the best team
in the conference. My prediction is at Penn State Texas
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National Championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it.
But I think the Big Ten, we've been on it
for a year, has overtaken the SEC is the best program.
And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by
the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes. We'll
bring back the best two players in the sport says
something Where Colin was raw. I sold my shader Sanders
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stock after two speeding tickets. I'm like, bro, you're a
quarterback and you're a fifth round pick. You got to
have more self awareness.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But Mary K.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Cabot reported this week that because he performed so well
at camp, he has a legitimate chance to win the
starting job, So perhaps I bailed a little early.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The ESPN rankings of the top rosters this year in
the NFL, seven of the top twelve are NFC. This
is something we started talking about last year. There was
about a three year period where the gap between the
AFC and the NFC was noticeable. But if you watched
the NFL last year roster composition, I thought the NFC
had more elite rosters. I thought Philadelphia's roster was the best,
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Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third. Seven of the top twelve
are NFC and oh, by the way, the NFC forty
eight and thirty three against the AFC last year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their
first round pick, and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengal
Shamar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years,
Zach Tater gets criticized by a lot of people in
the NFL. H that's all Joe Burrow. He's got the
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cheapest owner there are owners. I don't love the guy
down in Miami, but he spends the facilities are amazing.
If free agents love Miami, one team can't finalize their
deal with the first round pick, the Cincinnati Bengals. That's
why Joe Burrows Al was picked off where Colin was rowed.
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The Dodgers have hit one ninety eight as a team
in their last ten games. Last in baseball, they're two
and ten in their last twelve, just swept by the Brewers.
Mookie Betts is in the worst slum of his career.
They moved Otani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching
too many injuries. I thought this lineup, I believe that
at the time, I said, you can make an argument
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after Otani, Mookie Betts the best player in baseball. This
is the best batting order I have seen since the
seventy five Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin was right. Well,
Bradley Beal went to the Clippers, and Jason McIntyre said,
it's the kind of move that will shift the paradigm
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of the NBA. Well, I looked at the odds makers.
They were plus two thousand free trade plus two thousand
Clippers post trade, oldest roster in the NBA with Brook
Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older. The Bradley Beal
acquisition did not make a dent in the Clippers' futures,
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despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre. And with that
our friend, I love having them on the show. It's
a Monday, It's Matt Hasselbeck. Eighteen year NFL season. So
I said last hour, everybody acknowledges how good Sean McVay
is and how great Andy Reid is and the hardbass,
but I don't think we quite understand what Peyton has
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done in Denver. They lost two first round picks to
get Ross. He inherited that the dead cap situation was
before DeShawn Watson, like the worst contract in the league.
You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and Red and they
made the playoffs with bo Nix. And my take is
(09:01):
not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt, but this
roster is really good. I think you said this about
a month ago on this show. You're high on Denver,
are you not?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I'm very high Colin.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I kind of wonder if people are holding his big
loss in that championship game in the Home Team movie,
when was it him or Kevin James? I don't know
when he was the offensive coordinator and lost the twelve
year old championship.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies, so
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
But no, listen, Denver I think is a major threat
in the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We're gonna be talking about what a great coaching division.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombards
three out of the four.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But and everyone's gonna want to crown Kansas City. I
get that.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I like them too, But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
There's certainly a candidate for that award. And then they
go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a running
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back by committee kind of a fire and ice, lightning
and thunders sort of situation.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There a great offensive line.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
My concern or question would be like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
You know, can they continue to improve and grow in
that area. But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what
it takes. Everyone believes in him, and if that thing
gets rolling in Denver, that home field advantage is real is.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Just as well. So that's a team to watch in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, you know, I think another reason why people push
back on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says something,
rarely steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't Shanahan. You know,
they kind of pc up front. You know, Sean's not
Sean goes after people. And the truth is, I think
people inside the league know how good he is, but
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Shawn has alienated some people well because he is. I mean,
I know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's
like a little bit like Jim Harbaugh ten years ago.
Half the league hated Harball, half revered him. I think
that's part of the Peyton dynamic, do you yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
But and listen, I think also people were surprised when
it didn't work out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really
surprised because I know what kind of coach Sean Payton
is known him for a long time. He knows exactly
what he wants and exactly how it wants it how
he wants it, so like he's not looking to hear like, oh,
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what are you comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Mister quarterback? Like he doesn't care.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
He's like, listen, hop on board, follow me, it's gonna work.
And so like last year as an example, I think
they did a lot of things that Bonnix was comfortable with, like, hey, listen,
I would.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like I think Sean Payton almost thought of it this way.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I would prefer if you were under center more. But
since this is year one for you, we'll go gun.
We'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like,
we're going to do it more my way. We're going
to be under center more. We're going to do a
lot of the things that I like to do. And
I don't think he's very multiple, Like I don't think
he wants to move off his spot, which is totally
fine when you're Sean Payton, and I think that could
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be a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently.
That's why I think having bo Nicks is just so great.
He's got a maturity because of how much you played
in college. But he also has kind of this moldability
of a young player.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I think camps are different based on your personnel.
I do think there are teams like Kansas City, Reid Mahomes, Kelsey.
Now they have to rework their offensive line. But Chris
Jones now, those defensive players who were young three years ago,
they know the system with Spags. So like Kansas City,
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the preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant. Just stay
healthy your thought. Are there a couple of teams you
look at and think, yeah, the next three weeks matter
a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Detroit?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I mean, I don't think we're on understanding how hard
it's going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
That they've had.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I mean they've losing your offensive and defensive coordinator. That's
not nothing, you know, not really being sure who the
five starters are up front, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's not nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an
extra preseason, you know, they get with the Hall of
Fame game and all that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But now they're also battling that like sort of attrition.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
So I think that's still like to me, the teams
that have a lot of change. You know, there's other
teams around the league that have a lot of new pieces.
I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example,
maybe the you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers. People that
have new people and so having time on task is
also important. Like Aaron Rodgers showed up late.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Is it a big deal? Like, no, it's not a
big deal.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
But this is this is not what training camp was
like when I first got into the NFL. When I
first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players
talk in the locker room. They'd say, Hey, I'm gonna
play myself into shape in training camp and I got
the preseason. By the start of the season, I'll be
in shape. Like that's just not how it is anymore.
Like the it's it's it's OTA's it's it's many mini camp,
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it's that off season time, the five or six weeks
before training camp, it's training camp, it's joint practices.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So it's it's it's a different NFL.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And when you're not in pads until like this short
window in training camp with one A days not two
A days, I think it's tougher for continuity for coordinators
and olignemen.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So this question is one that you can singularly answer that.
I really can't. So I said, one of the things
that's fascinating. If I look at Jaden Daniels, I could
say from just one year, he's either going to be
really good or a legend. I look at bow Nicks
and I'm like, he's either going to be good or
really good, may not be a legend. I look at
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Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes wow or yeah,
this didn't work at all. And because there are some
habits he holds on the all too long, he kind
of misses on some easy stuff. You were one of
the few people that came out last year and said
it's not all of the coaches some of this. But
here's my thing, Matt, I think his flaws are correctable.
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Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His
pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years, it's
really good the last three. Josh Allen accuracy bad to
really good. I think that's Caleb. I think I think
he is his weaknesses are coachable. A do you agree?
(15:34):
And what will you see in the first month that
could concern you with all this new staff and all
these new players.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would
also say the guys you mentioned Lamar and Josh Allen,
they were other worldly and elite in something else as
you work through some of their maturity as their young
quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is
that the excuses are now gone, like they have on
a great job. Ryan Pols has done a great job
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of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff
around him. Now it's all up to him to be
a fulfillment of what they thought he was going to
be when they made him the first pick. Overall, he's
got everything that he needs. He's got the maybe the
premier quarterback whisperer coming out that was available this year.
He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's
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going to happen for him this year, the pressure and
the heat will turn up on him. If guys like
Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks and Drake May and JJ
McCarthy and some of these other guys in his draft
class do really really well fair not fair, that'll be
the standard that he gets measured against. So you know,
I think as those guys go, I think that'll have
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a that'll have an effect on you know what people
think about Caleb in year two?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So Nick Saban. There's there's two people I trust, Lane
Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning.
I don't think he's going back to college because nil money.
Universities now have to raise fifteen million for NIL they'd
have to buy out their coach pay Saban. It'd be
one hundred million dollar check and outside of Texas, I
don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that.
(17:13):
So I think he's going to go to the NFL.
Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I think it could work.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Like the reality of the NFL is that most of
the guys in the NFL, most of the players are
in years one, two or three.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's a very young league right now.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You have some outliers and quarterbacks, some guys that are old,
but the most of the roster is young. So he
would know these guys maybe as well as anybody, and
I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge, in
my mind for a guy like that going from Alabama
to the NFL, You're not going to have a better
roster than all the guys you play like, that's just
not going to be the fact.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You know, that's not going to be how it is
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
And then the other thing is like understanding how to
deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going
to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk
to him that way. You can't go musical chairs. If
you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely
works in the NFL. So I think that would probably
be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge
of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean,
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it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you
were to get him as as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers forty one, go to your
last two camps. What was the advantage of being the
old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got
my own bet, I got two twin beds moved together
next to Adam VENITII.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Who was the oldest guy on the team.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I was the second guy, second oldest, but between me,
Vinnie and Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that
perk you know, I think camps are just so different now,
like for Aaron Rodgers. You know, I remember Brett Farv
was older in his career. When I first started, we
threw twice a day. Two a days were a thing.
Now with the new CBA, there was no such thing
as to t aday. So for a thrower, training camp's
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really not that hard. You throw once a day, And
like I've said many times, like for Aaron Rodgers this year,
he can make all the throats, Like when he's fifty
years old, he'll be able to make all the throats.
What has to change for him is in his mind.
He probably thinks he can move around in the pocket
like he always could, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
He cannot.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
He's not as he's not as mobile, he's not he
doesn't have that as capability. So he's going to have
to change his game and rely basically, I would say,
much more just on his brain, his eyes, and his arm.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And this sort of forget the legs part of it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a
great job late in his career because he never really
relied on his legs or escapability. You're moving too far
out of the pocket. That'll be an adjustment for a rod.
He can certainly do it. But again, you kind of
almost just got to flip your mind a little bit
and win a different way.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know, You're you're still have in Nashville, right, correct. Okay,
I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the intern,
I apologize, I forget who it was, but they said,
in the last twenty years, has there ever been a
number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion
than cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my god, it's
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incredible because last year's class was so profound, and when
we're still waiting to see if Penis can play, and
if JJ McCarthy can play, and if Caleb could play,
we're still paying attention to last year's class. And I'm like,
cam Ward, not only is Tennessee the Titans a little
bit of an anonymous franchise. There's no talk. So you're
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down there, you can read the paper. What do you
hear about this kid?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
It's all about high school football down here, Colin. You know,
it's Friday night.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Lights man, you know, and then you got SEC football
on Saturdays. It's like there's there's like no energy, you know,
you got church on Sunday. By the time you get
to a Titans game at one o'clock or twelve o'clock
on a Sunday, now they're listen, they're in. They're one
of the teams in the Witness Protection program of the NFL.
Like they have to do something bad to get a headline.
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Like that's just how it is. And having been on
teams that were like that in Seattle for a lot
of my career, it's okay as a player, Like it's good.
You're all about the ball, you're all about the football.
You're not all about the you.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Know, the drama. And I don't think that's bad for
a young quarterback. I really don't.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I've seen a young quarterback first pick overall literally come
out of a quarter and call a time out on
the first play of the game and like there was
no headline. I remember getting online being like, oh my gosh,
people are going to be ripping him for this. No
one even said anything, and like you can't do that
playing for the Jets or the Cowboys or the you
know these other teams, Like you just can't.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So it's not the worst place to be as.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
A young quarterback to kind of have some growing pains
and be in the shadows just a little bit. But
everything that I've heard here is everyone's very, very excited
about him as a player.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Matt Hasselback, Man, you just brought your a game today, buddy.
I appreciate it. Thanks for stoping.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so
we got to you got to get in shape as
coaches too.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Here here we go.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, eighteen years in the NFL, former
sixth round pick out of Boston College for the Green
Bay Packers, had a great career. Yeah, it's and I
don't remember where I read it, but I'm like, nobody
is talking about cam mord. I mean, think about year two,
the pressure on J. J. McCarthy, Michael Pennix because of
the cousin situation. Raheem Morris has to win this year.
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In year two, Penix has pressure. Cam Ward's like invisible.
What an advantage for him.
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Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right, Colin, I'm I'm being told this is Denver
Broncos week here at the network. So let's go with
another Broncos story. How about linebacker Nick Benito Man. He
was excellent last year. Broncos led the NFL in sacks
with sixty three. Nick had thirteen and a half. He
is in the final year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
He says his focus is on more than money.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Those type of talks are happening right now, but I
kind of just keep that with my agent, you know,
just let him handle that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
My focus is just you know, winning and trying to
you know, get a championship. I mean, no time period.
I know these things can you know, happen tomorrow, happen
months from now.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So I mean I kind of.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just keep it day by day and just keep the
focus on football.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, he had a great year. Oklahoma guy came out
of Oklahoma. He's been a great hit in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Interesting a little turnaround for linebackers last year. You know,
remember the h was it the Ravens traded for Roquan said,
the people like, why are you adding a linebacker?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Ravens are at the forefront of a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Drafting Kyle Hamilton a safety, early drafting another safety, and Benito,
I think has been the modern linebacker.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Like the guy's just a tackling machine.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know, it's cool about the NFL. And I guess
you know, like in the NBA, I grew up, it
was centers and then it became wings like Kobe. You know,
centers are still important, but now it's not really a
center league. You know, with the Warriors it was small ball,
and that how positions change. Now it's sort of a
positionless league. If you can play, you can play right well,
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if you go three and D, nobody already cares. In
the NFL, you've had running back in safety was never
like running backs when we're young, and then there was
well they're the last unprotected player. You can hit them high, low, anywhere,
and so you just don't sign don't sign a running
back to a second big contract. And then you're seeing
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the value of running backs, like like, I mean, Harball,
get me Najee Harris, Let's draft a running back first.
Rent running backs of oas mattered because they take pressure
off a quarterback. Also, when you lead in the second half,
nothing eats the clock like a good run game, right.
And I think in the NFL, safety is now. The
Rams are big in it, the Ravens are big in it,
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the Chiefs satan. There's a re emergence because of coverages
and maybe because safeties are those athletes. Let's face it,
they're bigger than corners, faster than linebackers, and because of
some of the coverages in the NFL, safeties now are gaining.
It feels like to me in importance, they had a
bat member Earl Thomas didn't get paid for the Seahawks.
You're like, you can't pay a safety. It feels like
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there's a re emergence. Tight ends now feels like you
gotta pay a tight end. The receiver a little bit
of a bubble. I feel like people are pulling back
a little on wide receiver. So I think it's fun
to watch, you know, and a lot of it's on coverages, schemes,
cultural ships. But I think right now safeties are okay.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So just for the audience, Colin, the Broncos open open
the season with the Tennessee Titans and cam Warden his
first start in Denver that could be a blood bath,
and then Denver against the Colts. So I'm just telling
you right now, Broncos are going to be live to
win that division. Guys, if you want to get in early,
I think you do it now. Like they're gonna win
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those first two games, hands down.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Come.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Their defense is going to be elite this season. I'm
I'm not gonna rule out that the Broncos win that division.
I think it is Broncos are Chargers.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I'm probably gonna have to move Kansas City down
to third.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
How how's your boy Nick Wright gonna take that? I
know he's very very defensive.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
When we take shoes, I have issues because I love
I think the Chargers OH lines better. I think the
Broncos O lines elite, and I think O lines over
the court. These seasons are getting longer, dude. They're seventeen
games by next year. It's eighteen minimum. Like it's that
offensive line. The season can get ugly very fast. Nothing
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can save. You like an O line to move the chains,
keep your defense off the field. More snaps for all
these great athletes. I don't want my defense on the
field all game at Denver Line.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, well, it's good that we agree on something because
we're not on this next topic, your favorite former quarterback,
Cam Newton. He did his list of top ten quarterbacks
in the league right now, and the Super Bowl MVP
Jalen Hurts was not in the top ten.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Here's hot take artist Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Jalen Hurst is a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Do not get that twisted.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
But if we're talking about what they bring to the
table right holistically, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Judge what Jalen Hurst can do when when.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
You're throwing to a guy like AJ Brown Davonte Smith,
we have tight end skill set, you have a dominant defense.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Jalen Hursts does not have to play elite for the
Philadelphia Eagles to win. He has to play good, but
he doesn't have to play elite. We're not asking you
to win the game.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We're just asking you not to lose it.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know, I Cam Newton has really honestly, I like
it more as a podcast than the quarterbacks come on,
stop it now. He is boy's arguably the best college
football player I've ever.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Seen one amazing season. Yes, it was incredible, legendary stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well it was good.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I mean Tibo did it three years but whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Anyways, he drove me nuts as a quarterback because he
never had back to back winning seasons. I just felt
like he got into bad habits and I thought, like
I always thought, mechanically, he can't. He just kind of
a sloppy and he was inconsistent, great but inconsistent. He's
a really good podcast, makes a lot of really satient points.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Are anti Hurts, I'll just say this, I'm sorry, but
like some of these former players and listening.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
To that logic, I mean, Colin, there's an.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Avalanche of data that refutes all of it, Like literally
every point.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jalen Hurts has.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Dominated from the pocket. He was incredible last year Top
five from the pocket as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yet all we keep hearing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Is is nonsense. Well, he's got a stack deck.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And the defense and the GM.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Like we're giving everybody credit except for the Super Bowl MVP,
who is unstoppable.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
He had the most unstoppable play football, sure or fall.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, he has the most unstoppable half yard playing football.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
It's fourth and one. It's a give me. It sets
them up where it's like, oh, it's hey, third and five.
What do we do here? Hey, we just need three yards.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
We can easily get two because Jalen is an unbelievable,
unstoppable force with the tousch bushes like, how is he
getting knocked? It is absolutely puzzling to me. How you're
not higher on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You still have him ninth.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Or no, No, this happens on this show. You did this
with Bradley Beal last week. You've done this with Brock Purdy.
I like all of them, you go so far over
the top. I have to be the voice of you know,
sanity and just say, Jalen Hurts from the pocket. I'll
take Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Stafford from the pocket, Herbert C. J. Stroud,
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Kyler Murray, I'll take all those guys from the pocket,
Baker Mayfield from the pocket. Now, if you're adding if
you're adding leadership, character, toughness, the tush push, there's a
lot of elements the Jalen that I love. I've said
before at the podium he's the new Dak. He's literally
perfect at the podium. Anytime there's heat in Philadelphia with
Sirianni that's every Wednesday. He suppresses all of it like
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he is un He's a total adult. But trailing late,
sit in the pocket, throw dimes, that's he's not my guy.
I don't think he's top six or seven in the league.
I think he's probably somewhere between nine and thirteen. But
he's I don't think he's great from the I think
I think Tua from the pocket is just as good
as Jalen Hurris.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So we can say I don't think he's that good,
but the actual numbers say he's an elite quarterback from
the pocket for three years running.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now, yes, we can't when you have like perfect protection
and a great run game. It should be noted week five,
the Eagles had to buy the coaching staff put their
heads together and said the way to get better is
throw less.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Well, I think a lot of that had to do
with and I remember it because I was on them
in that Saints game.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Do you remember how bad Hurts was the Saints game?
It was in New Orleans. He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
They still won the game, but he had a new
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
His wide receiver ended up reading a book on.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
The sideline because he was so frustrated. Imagine, imagine if
you had those headaches to deal with on this show.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Fortunately, I'm not a headache.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm just a.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Come you know, bring on my lunch, payal to work guy.
Herts is dealing with like a different offensive play caller
every single season.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Colum Yeah, all right, final.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Story is uh oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
More LA Clippers Chris Paul just announced that he will
be going back to the paper Clips.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
He's in his twenty first season.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Played for the Clippers from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Twelve time All Star. Actually was sound. Can I say
that sound?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Which is better than average with the Spurs last year.
I don't think this is the worst pickup in the world.
They got a veteran locker room. They are an old
team that's undeniable, hardened.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Chris Paul in the.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Back of I love Chris Paul. So I'll never say
a bad word about Chris Paul. When he plays thirty minutes,
he makes every team he's ever played on better. So
you'll never hear a bad word with Chris Paul. I
think he's one of the great point guards ever. I
actually like this move. I think this team in the
last five years. My big knock on the Clippers is
who's running the offense. It's not you know, and who's
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available tonight. It's not coaching, it's not roster composition. It's like, Okay,
who's available to play, and who's engineering us, who's getting
us into our offense? Chris Paul to the Clippers, I
love that move. You know again, twenty four minutes to
thirty minutes, he's gonna play two out of three games.
Just know what it is. Rest him for the postseason.
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But I love Chris Paul as a player. I love
him as a guy, love him as a leader, love
his IQ. Very few players I've ever respected more than
Chris Paul, his game him, I mean, he's great.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Hey, listen, the Hall of Fame lock. This is a
I'm just saying you look at depth one through ten
that paper Clips are.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Definitely top three in the league.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
They have an awesome bench. I know it's old.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I see you rolling your eyes there, Pow, but I'm
just saying, you know, I'm a Lakers guy.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Look out for the Clippers this year.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
It's funny the saff just putting this on the screen.
Listen to this. So the Clippers were the oldest roster
in the league. Less they were the oldest roster in
the league. So far this offseason, they've added thirty seven
year old Brook Lopez, re signed thirty six year old
Nick patom who I like, added thirty two year old
Bradley Beal, and just signed forty year old Chris Paul.
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This is the remake of the movie Cocoon. This team
is honestly, do they get sort of can they board
the flight early? They may be able to board the
plane early with oxygen canisters? Oh that was that was
a shot. It is an old teams. They the Thunders
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average age is twenty five, so just saying the NBA
is getting younger, the Thunder twenty five and the Clippers
were the oldest team before these acquisitions. Name value, I'm
not denying that they got. They're trying to get people
into the yetto into it Dome. They they that's a
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big part of this is it's headliners. It's big names. Now,
the Clippers are also announcing they're gonna play their games
at five because the player. They're gonna call them early
Bird specials. So all Clipper games now are at five
pm Los Angeles time. These guys got to get to bed,
so early bird Clippers schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 1 (36:22):
So we had we were saying earlier today there's like
an understanding. They were talking about the best rosters in
the NFL this year in Denver is now sixth and
it was just a mess when he got there. Remember
Nat Hackett was there. They'd given up first round picks.
You know, I'd kind of predicted. I didn't think Russell
Wilson and Sean Payton's personalities would click, just knowing Sean
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as I know him very authentic and very intense and
very critical. And Russell's just a very almost overly optimistic guy,
if that's possible. And I just thought that's oil and water.
It's not going to work, and it didn't. But they
make the playoffs in year two with a rookie quarterback
and a great division. And now they've got the second
or third best offensive line, the sixth best overall roster.
(37:06):
And that's nothing against the front office of the Broncos,
but a lot of that considering they gave up two
first round picks to get Russell. It's Sean Payton and
Matt Hasselbeck said he absolutely loves what they're doing in Denver.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Denver I think is a major threat in the AFC West.
We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division.
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombardi's
three out of the four. But and everyone's gonna want
to crown Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I like them too. But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
My concern or question would be, like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
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I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved, you know, can they continue
to improve and grow.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
In that area?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
But to me, Sean pay Eaton knows exactly what it takes.
Everyone believes in him, and if that thing gets rolling
in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So that's a team to watch in my mind.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So the other thing we talked about, and I said
last week July and early August, is when bread crumbs
become headlines because people like our show. We got three
hours to fill. Newspapers have multiple columns to write. It's
the hardest time of the year to generate stuff. But
I did think last week I said, I don't have
a problem saying if Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffin are
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bo saying Saban's got an itch for coaching, it would
be pro football. I buy into that. They didn't say
pro football. I did because I think with nil there's
just no possible way that especially Alabama could pay off
Kaylin de boor pay fifteen million nil and then go
pay Saban sixty. It can't happen. Bama is sec outside
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of Texas and Texas and m and not a lot
of big nil money. The big nil money is in
the state of Texas, USC, Oregon, Ohio, State, Michigan. It's
a lot of these big ten schools. Clemsons doesn't have it.
It's the downside of these small rural towns. Car dealers
are the big money, and that's a small that's a
tight margin business, whereas the big ten's got bigger cities,
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finance tech. It's just easier to raise that kind of capital.
But I do think I can see Nick Saban taking
phone calls, especially in Cleveland. You can like Kevin Stefanski,
who would get another job in a minute, But Saban's different.
Saban's a brand, and arch Manning goes there. He's a brand.
(39:38):
And Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, loves headlines, loves juice,
and Hasselbeck's thoughts on if Saban came back to the NFL,
would he succeed.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
The reality of the NFL is that most of the
guys in the NFL, most of the players are in
years one, two, or three. It's a very young league
right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some guys
that are old.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
But the most the roster as young.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody,
and I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge
in my mind for a guy like that going from
Alabama to the NFL, You're not gonna have a better
roster than all the guys you play.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
And then the other thing is.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in
the NFL is going to be very different than college.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You can't necessarily talk to him that way.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching
a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL.
So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment.
But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the
staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be
Belichick esque in my mind if you were to get
him as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
One of the reasons SEC coaches have not done well
Spurrier didn't work, Saban didn't work. A lot of the
reasons to me is almost temperament, is that Spurrier was
too laid back, and guys like Kirby Smart and Nick
are like so intense. I mean, there's multiple videos of
Nick Saban dog cussing an assistant coach or a player.
(41:04):
You don't do that in the NFL. Kirby Smart does
not work in the NFL, and you know it's I mean,
people say, oh, Chip Kelly didn't work. He actually worked
in Philadelphia. He won ten games back to back with
kind of BC level quarterbacks. They just he and Howie
Roseman oil and water didn't work and how he had
the leverage. So the truth is there's a temperament truth
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to the NFL. The players. Andy Reid barks at practice,
he's not going to bark very often at players during
the game. Belichick was not a barker. Again, the Belichick
would do it in private, he wouldn't do it on TV.
A lot of SEC coaches, it's almost like high school
football coaching in the seventies and eighties, like it's yelling
(41:47):
and screaming. I don't think that temperament works in the NFL.
And I do think Saban would work. I don't know
to what degree he would work, but I do think
he would work all right, First two hours of the
show have absolutely flown by what the Clippers just signed.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Man hour one on a Monday, flew by We are Live,
We're Chicago. It is The Herd. Good stuff with Matt
Hassel back in about four or five minutes. Training camps
are underway. Training camps are different depending on the roster.
You got a young team and there's a couple of
them out there. Very interesting stuff. J Max, you know,
I was thinking about this. We talked about the Big
Ten overtaking the SEC, and a lot of it is
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the Big ten campuses. There's more students, they graduate, it's
easier to raise nil money. If you look at the
top two teams in the SEC map nil spending, it's
Texas and Texas m that's not the SEC, that's Texas economy.
And so if you look at the Big ten, Oregon's
got money, USC's got money, Michigan's got money. Ohio State's
(01:10):
got money. It's different. Those are bigger schools, more graduates,
and I think that's why the Big Ten is going
to win its third straight national championship. Facilities used to matter.
Now it's about paying the players, and the Big Ten
can just consistently have fewer players poached and pay more
elite players.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
By the way, do you remember early last year. I
think it was like August in early September. A lot
of SEC teams were losing games, and I think we
talked about it at the time in the SEC fans, Oh,
it's early, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
They're definitely not fine.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I thought your car dealership point first hour was really
spot on, Like car dealership money is great free NIL.
Now in the NIL ere there's so much bigger money
at play with some of these other universities. The Texas
Tech example, colin It got a few billionaire Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
If you took the long Horns and the Aggies out
of the SEC, the gap in spending between the Big
Ten and the SEC would be even larger. Mean, it's
like the Longhorns in A and M's. That's the Texas economy.
The Texas economy. It's one of the biggest economies in
the world. It's a monster. That's a whole different ballgame.
Saban knew this very early when the NIL money started.
(02:18):
He grumbled year one, you go back and look at
those quotes, and I said it on the air. He
is grumbling because he sees the truth. He can't compete.
Sark's roster second year of the NIL was nix roster
three years earlier. Bigger, stronger, faster guys. Here we go
on a Monday. Colin right, Colin wrong. Let's roll it.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Where Colin was right?
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ah, the offensively tone def Steelers Mike Tomlin can't help himself.
Gave TJ. Watt the biggest non quarterback contract in the league.
They will once again lead the NFL in defensive spending.
It's not the player, but they paid Jalen Ramsey, they
played Darius Slay, they paid TJ. Watt. Yet they can't
get their offensive line right. They let No she Harris go.
(03:01):
It's not that Mike Tomlin's on a good coach. This
organization spends too much money. Billy doesn't, Rams don't. Niners
let defensive guys go. Kansas City doesn't pay defense.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Pittsburgh does. Where Colin was wrong, just when.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I gave the WNBA players credit for in a private
poll naming Kitlin Clark is the face of the league
going forward. And then Kelsey Plumb comes out takes a
shot at Caitlin Clark because her team wasn't present for
you know, the meetings they're having regarding the negotiations. She said,
(03:40):
it was a very powerful moment wearing those T shirts,
but she said, you know, nobody from team Caitlyn Clark
was present. Can we stop? You guys are flying private.
There's one reason Caitlin Clark. Somebody joined the band that's
roy popular. You're traveling in style. Give it a.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Break where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
NFL executives, scouts and coaches last week ranked Jalen Hurts
ninth best quarterback in the NFL. That's what I've said, character, leadership, playmaking,
strength excellent. Love him, but from the pocket. After a
week five by the Eagles coaching staff reduced a number
(04:25):
of passes thrown per game to twenty four and they
were a better offense. Nobody's doing that for Mahomes or
Josh Allen. I can like a player, but say, yeah,
there's limitations. Greg co Selz been saying this for a year.
I love Jalen Hurts, He's not an elite pocket thrower. Consistently,
where Colin was right, well, I said, Penn State I've
(04:47):
set up for the last month is the best team
in the Big Ten. It's not Ohio State. Even though
the Buckeyes have the best offensive player and the best
defensive player and Ryan Day. Penn State was just awarded
the media poll over Ohio State as the best team
in the conference. My prediction is at Penn State Texas
(05:08):
National Championship. I'll figure out at the time who wins it.
But I think the Big Ten, we've been on it
for a year, has overtaken the SEC is the best program.
And the fact that Penn State gets higher rated by
the media that knows those programs over the Buckeyes. We'll
bring back the best two players in the sport says
something Where Colin was raw. I sold my shader Sanders
(05:33):
stock after two speeding tickets. I'm like, bro, you're a
quarterback and you're a fifth round pick. You got to
have more self awareness.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But Mary K.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Cabot reported this week that because he performed so well
at camp, he has a legitimate chance to win the
starting job, So perhaps I bailed a little early.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
The ESPN rankings of the top rosters this year in
the NFL, seven of the top twelve are NFC. This
is something we started talking about last year. There was
about a three year period where the gap between the
AFC and the NFC was noticeable. But if you watched
the NFL last year roster composition, I thought the NFC
had more elite rosters. I thought Philadelphia's roster was the best,
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Detroit's was second, Baltimore's third. Seven of the top twelve
are NFC and oh, by the way, the NFC forty
eight and thirty three against the AFC last year.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
What a shocker. Only one NFL team hasn't signed their
first round pick, and it's the always cheap Cincinnati Bengal
Shamar Stewart is the holdout. I've said it for years,
Zach Tater gets criticized by a lot of people in
the NFL. H that's all Joe Burrow. He's got the
(06:52):
cheapest owner there are owners. I don't love the guy
down in Miami, but he spends the facilities are amazing.
If free agents love Miami, one team can't finalize their
deal with the first round pick, the Cincinnati Bengals. That's
why Joe Burrows Al was picked off where Colin was rowed.
(07:14):
The Dodgers have hit one ninety eight as a team
in their last ten games. Last in baseball, they're two
and ten in their last twelve, just swept by the Brewers.
Mookie Betts is in the worst slum of his career.
They moved Otani out of the leadoff spot. The pitching
too many injuries. I thought this lineup, I believe that
at the time, I said, you can make an argument
(07:34):
after Otani, Mookie Betts the best player in baseball. This
is the best batting order I have seen since the
seventy five Reds. They officially can't hit where Colin was right. Well,
Bradley Beal went to the Clippers, and Jason McIntyre said,
it's the kind of move that will shift the paradigm
(07:54):
of the NBA. Well, I looked at the odds makers.
They were plus two thousand free trade plus two thousand
Clippers post trade, oldest roster in the NBA with Brook
Lopez and Bradley Beal just got older. The Bradley Beal
acquisition did not make a dent in the Clippers' futures,
(08:17):
despite the admiration of one Jason McIntyre. And with that
our friend, I love having them on the show. It's
a Monday, It's Matt Hasselbeck. Eighteen year NFL season. So
I said last hour, everybody acknowledges how good Sean McVay
is and how great Andy Reid is and the hardbass,
but I don't think we quite understand what Peyton has
(08:41):
done in Denver. They lost two first round picks to
get Ross. He inherited that the dead cap situation was
before DeShawn Watson, like the worst contract in the league.
You got Herbert and Harbaugh, Mahomes and Red and they
made the playoffs with bo Nix. And my take is
(09:01):
not all coaches are great with personnel, Matt, but this
roster is really good. I think you said this about
a month ago on this show. You're high on Denver,
are you not?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yeah, I'm very high Colin.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
I kind of wonder if people are holding his big
loss in that championship game in the Home Team movie,
when was it him or Kevin James? I don't know
when he was the offensive coordinator and lost the twelve
year old championship.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
You know what I'm talking. You don't watch movies, so
you don't know.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
But no, listen, Denver I think is a major threat
in the AFC West.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
We're gonna be talking about what a great coaching division.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombards
three out of the four.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
But and everyone's gonna want to crown Kansas City. I
get that.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
I like them too, But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
There's certainly a candidate for that award. And then they
go out and get Evan Ingram. They've got a running
(10:03):
back by committee kind of a fire and ice, lightning
and thunders sort of situation.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There a great offensive line.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
My concern or question would be like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved.
Speaker 6 (10:20):
You know, can they continue to improve and grow in
that area. But to me, Sean Payton knows exactly what
it takes. Everyone believes in him, and if that thing
gets rolling in Denver, that home field advantage is real is.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Just as well. So that's a team to watch in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, you know, I think another reason why people push
back on Peyton is because Andy Reid rarely says something,
rarely steps in it. Sean McVay doesn't Shanahan. You know,
they kind of pc up front. You know, Sean's not
Sean goes after people. And the truth is, I think
people inside the league know how good he is, but
(10:58):
Shawn has alienated some people well because he is. I mean,
I know Sean, that's his personality. He's totally authentic. He's
like a little bit like Jim Harbaugh ten years ago.
Half the league hated Harball, half revered him. I think
that's part of the Peyton dynamic, do you yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
But and listen, I think also people were surprised when
it didn't work out with Russell Wilson. I wasn't really
surprised because I know what kind of coach Sean Payton
is known him for a long time. He knows exactly
what he wants and exactly how it wants it how
he wants it, so like he's not looking to hear like, oh,
(11:36):
what are you comfortable with.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Mister quarterback? Like he doesn't care.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
He's like, listen, hop on board, follow me, it's gonna work.
And so like last year as an example, I think
they did a lot of things that Bonnix was comfortable with, like, hey, listen,
I would.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like I think Sean Payton almost thought of it this way.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
I would prefer if you were under center more. But
since this is year one for you, we'll go gun.
We'll go shotgun more for you. But in year two, like,
we're going to do it more my way. We're going
to be under center more. We're going to do a
lot of the things that I like to do. And
I don't think he's very multiple, Like I don't think
he wants to move off his spot, which is totally
fine when you're Sean Payton, and I think that could
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be a rub with a veteran quarterback that's done it differently.
That's why I think having bo Nicks is just so great.
He's got a maturity because of how much you played
in college. But he also has kind of this moldability
of a young player.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I think camps are different based on your personnel.
I do think there are teams like Kansas City, Reid Mahomes, Kelsey.
Now they have to rework their offensive line. But Chris
Jones now, those defensive players who were young three years ago,
they know the system with Spags. So like Kansas City,
(12:48):
the preseason to me feels kind of irrelevant. Just stay
healthy your thought. Are there a couple of teams you
look at and think, yeah, the next three weeks matter
a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Detroit?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I mean, I don't think we're on understanding how hard
it's going to be for Detroit to overcome all the losses.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
That they've had.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I mean they've losing your offensive and defensive coordinator. That's
not nothing, you know, not really being sure who the
five starters are up front, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
That's not nothing.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
Now listen, they get an extra week, they get an
extra preseason, you know, they get with the Hall of
Fame game and all that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
But now they're also battling that like sort of attrition.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
So I think that's still like to me, the teams
that have a lot of change. You know, there's other
teams around the league that have a lot of new pieces.
I'll say, like the New England Patriots as an example,
maybe the you know, maybe the Pittsburgh Steelers. People that
have new people and so having time on task is
also important. Like Aaron Rodgers showed up late.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Is it a big deal? Like, no, it's not a
big deal.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
But this is this is not what training camp was
like when I first got into the NFL. When I
first got into the NFL, you know, you'd hear players
talk in the locker room. They'd say, Hey, I'm gonna
play myself into shape in training camp and I got
the preseason. By the start of the season, I'll be
in shape. Like that's just not how it is anymore.
Like the it's it's it's OTA's it's it's many mini camp,
(14:10):
it's that off season time, the five or six weeks
before training camp, it's training camp, it's joint practices.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
So it's it's it's a different NFL.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
And when you're not in pads until like this short
window in training camp with one A days not two
A days, I think it's tougher for continuity for coordinators
and olignemen.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
So this question is one that you can singularly answer that.
I really can't. So I said, one of the things
that's fascinating. If I look at Jaden Daniels, I could
say from just one year, he's either going to be
really good or a legend. I look at bow Nicks
and I'm like, he's either going to be good or
really good, may not be a legend. I look at
(14:50):
Caleb Williams and there's a lot of outcomes wow or yeah,
this didn't work at all. And because there are some
habits he holds on the all too long, he kind
of misses on some easy stuff. You were one of
the few people that came out last year and said
it's not all of the coaches some of this. But
here's my thing, Matt, I think his flaws are correctable.
(15:13):
Like Lamar Jackson got really good in the pocket. His
pocket presence, it wasn't good the first two years, it's
really good the last three. Josh Allen accuracy bad to
really good. I think that's Caleb. I think I think
he is his weaknesses are coachable. A do you agree?
(15:34):
And what will you see in the first month that
could concern you with all this new staff and all
these new players.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
Yeah, I agree that those things are fixable. I would
also say the guys you mentioned Lamar and Josh Allen,
they were other worldly and elite in something else as
you work through some of their maturity as their young
quarterback growing up. I think the thing for Caleb is
that the excuses are now gone, like they have on
a great job. Ryan Pols has done a great job
(16:02):
of building this roster around him, building this coaching staff
around him. Now it's all up to him to be
a fulfillment of what they thought he was going to
be when they made him the first pick. Overall, he's
got everything that he needs. He's got the maybe the
premier quarterback whisperer coming out that was available this year.
He's got everything he needs. I think the thing that's
(16:23):
going to happen for him this year, the pressure and
the heat will turn up on him. If guys like
Jaden Daniels and Bo Nicks and Drake May and JJ
McCarthy and some of these other guys in his draft
class do really really well fair not fair, that'll be
the standard that he gets measured against. So you know,
I think as those guys go, I think that'll have
(16:46):
a that'll have an effect on you know what people
think about Caleb in year two?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So Nick Saban. There's there's two people I trust, Lane
Kiffin and Greg McElroy, who both hinted at Saban returning.
I don't think he's going back to college because nil money.
Universities now have to raise fifteen million for NIL they'd
have to buy out their coach pay Saban. It'd be
one hundred million dollar check and outside of Texas, I
don't think anybody or Phil Knight Nike money could afford that.
(17:13):
So I think he's going to go to the NFL.
Do you think it would work this time for Saban?
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, I think it could work.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Like the reality of the NFL is that most of
the guys in the NFL, most of the players are
in years one, two or three.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's a very young league right now.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You have some outliers and quarterbacks, some guys that are old,
but the most of the roster is young. So he
would know these guys maybe as well as anybody, and
I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge, in
my mind for a guy like that going from Alabama
to the NFL, You're not going to have a better
roster than all the guys you play like, that's just
not going to be the fact.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
You know, that's not going to be how it is
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
And then the other thing is like understanding how to
deal with a franchise quarterback in the NFL is going
to be very different than college. You can't necessarily talk
to him that way. You can't go musical chairs. If
you feel like switching a guy at halftime. It rarely
works in the NFL. So I think that would probably
be the biggest adjustment. But in terms of respect, knowledge
of the game, the staff that he could acquire, I mean,
(18:15):
it would be Belichick esque in my mind if you
were to get him as as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
All right, finally, Aaron Rodgers forty one, go to your
last two camps. What was the advantage of being the
old guy in camp and what was the disadvantage?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Well, the big perk I remember I was, I got
my own bet, I got two twin beds moved together
next to Adam VENITII.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Who was the oldest guy on the team.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
I was the second guy, second oldest, but between me,
Vinnie and Reggie Wayne, like the old guys get that
perk you know, I think camps are just so different now,
like for Aaron Rodgers. You know, I remember Brett Farv
was older in his career. When I first started, we
threw twice a day. Two a days were a thing.
Now with the new CBA, there was no such thing
as to t aday. So for a thrower, training camp's
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really not that hard. You throw once a day, And
like I've said many times, like for Aaron Rodgers this year,
he can make all the throats, Like when he's fifty
years old, he'll be able to make all the throats.
What has to change for him is in his mind.
He probably thinks he can move around in the pocket
like he always could, and that's just not the case.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
He cannot.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
He's not as he's not as mobile, he's not he
doesn't have that as capability. So he's going to have
to change his game and rely basically, I would say,
much more just on his brain, his eyes, and his arm.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
And this sort of forget the legs part of it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
And I think that's why Tom Brady did such a
great job late in his career because he never really
relied on his legs or escapability. You're moving too far
out of the pocket. That'll be an adjustment for a rod.
He can certainly do it. But again, you kind of
almost just got to flip your mind a little bit
and win a different way.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
You know, You're you're still have in Nashville, right, correct. Okay,
I was sitting this weekend and somebody on the intern,
I apologize, I forget who it was, but they said,
in the last twenty years, has there ever been a
number one pick that has gotten less publicity and discussion
than cam Ward? And I'm like, oh my god, it's
(20:15):
incredible because last year's class was so profound, and when
we're still waiting to see if Penis can play, and
if JJ McCarthy can play, and if Caleb could play,
we're still paying attention to last year's class. And I'm like,
cam Ward, not only is Tennessee the Titans a little
bit of an anonymous franchise. There's no talk. So you're
(20:35):
down there, you can read the paper. What do you
hear about this kid?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
It's all about high school football down here, Colin. You know,
it's Friday night.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Lights man, you know, and then you got SEC football
on Saturdays. It's like there's there's like no energy, you know,
you got church on Sunday. By the time you get
to a Titans game at one o'clock or twelve o'clock
on a Sunday, now they're listen, they're in. They're one
of the teams in the Witness Protection program of the NFL.
Like they have to do something bad to get a headline.
(21:04):
Like that's just how it is. And having been on
teams that were like that in Seattle for a lot
of my career, it's okay as a player, Like it's good.
You're all about the ball, you're all about the football.
You're not all about the you.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Know, the drama. And I don't think that's bad for
a young quarterback. I really don't.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I've seen a young quarterback first pick overall literally come
out of a quarter and call a time out on
the first play of the game and like there was
no headline. I remember getting online being like, oh my gosh,
people are going to be ripping him for this. No
one even said anything, and like you can't do that
playing for the Jets or the Cowboys or the you
know these other teams, Like you just can't.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So it's not the worst place to be as.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
A young quarterback to kind of have some growing pains
and be in the shadows just a little bit. But
everything that I've heard here is everyone's very, very excited
about him as a player.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Matt Hasselback, Man, you just brought your a game today, buddy.
I appreciate it. Thanks for stoping.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I'm sweating right off the practice field, you know, so
we got to you got to get in shape as
coaches too.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Here here we go.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Matt Hasselbeck, our guy, eighteen years in the NFL, former
sixth round pick out of Boston College for the Green
Bay Packers, had a great career. Yeah, it's and I
don't remember where I read it, but I'm like, nobody
is talking about cam mord. I mean, think about year two,
the pressure on J. J. McCarthy, Michael Pennix because of
the cousin situation. Raheem Morris has to win this year.
(22:26):
In year two, Penix has pressure. Cam Ward's like invisible.
What an advantage for him.
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Speaker 2 (23:55):
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Speaker 4 (23:59):
All right, Colin, I'm I'm being told this is Denver
Broncos week here at the network. So let's go with
another Broncos story. How about linebacker Nick Benito Man. He
was excellent last year. Broncos led the NFL in sacks
with sixty three. Nick had thirteen and a half. He
is in the final year of his rookie deal.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
He says his focus is on more than money.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
Those type of talks are happening right now, but I
kind of just keep that with my agent, you know,
just let him handle that.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:25):
My focus is just you know, winning and trying to
you know, get a championship. I mean, no time period.
I know these things can you know, happen tomorrow, happen
months from now.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So I mean I kind of.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just keep it day by day and just keep the
focus on football.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Yeah, he had a great year. Oklahoma guy came out
of Oklahoma. He's been a great hit in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Interesting a little turnaround for linebackers last year. You know,
remember the h was it the Ravens traded for Roquan said,
the people like, why are you adding a linebacker?
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Ravens are at the forefront of a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Drafting Kyle Hamilton a safety, early drafting another safety, and Benito,
I think has been the modern linebacker.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Like the guy's just a tackling machine.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
He is unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know, it's cool about the NFL. And I guess
you know, like in the NBA, I grew up, it
was centers and then it became wings like Kobe. You know,
centers are still important, but now it's not really a
center league. You know, with the Warriors it was small ball,
and that how positions change. Now it's sort of a
positionless league. If you can play, you can play right well,
(25:23):
if you go three and D, nobody already cares. In
the NFL, you've had running back in safety was never
like running backs when we're young, and then there was
well they're the last unprotected player. You can hit them high, low, anywhere,
and so you just don't sign don't sign a running
back to a second big contract. And then you're seeing
(25:45):
the value of running backs, like like, I mean, Harball,
get me Najee Harris, Let's draft a running back first.
Rent running backs of oas mattered because they take pressure
off a quarterback. Also, when you lead in the second half,
nothing eats the clock like a good run game, right.
And I think in the NFL, safety is now. The
Rams are big in it, the Ravens are big in it,
(26:05):
the Chiefs satan. There's a re emergence because of coverages
and maybe because safeties are those athletes. Let's face it,
they're bigger than corners, faster than linebackers, and because of
some of the coverages in the NFL, safeties now are gaining.
It feels like to me in importance, they had a
bat member Earl Thomas didn't get paid for the Seahawks.
You're like, you can't pay a safety. It feels like
(26:28):
there's a re emergence. Tight ends now feels like you
gotta pay a tight end. The receiver a little bit
of a bubble. I feel like people are pulling back
a little on wide receiver. So I think it's fun
to watch, you know, and a lot of it's on coverages, schemes,
cultural ships. But I think right now safeties are okay.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So just for the audience, Colin, the Broncos open open
the season with the Tennessee Titans and cam Warden his
first start in Denver that could be a blood bath,
and then Denver against the Colts. So I'm just telling
you right now, Broncos are going to be live to
win that division. Guys, if you want to get in early,
I think you do it now. Like they're gonna win
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those first two games, hands down.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Come.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Their defense is going to be elite this season. I'm
I'm not gonna rule out that the Broncos win that division.
I think it is Broncos are Chargers.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, I'm probably gonna have to move Kansas City down
to third.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
How how's your boy Nick Wright gonna take that? I
know he's very very defensive.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
When we take shoes, I have issues because I love
I think the Chargers OH lines better. I think the
Broncos O lines elite, and I think O lines over
the court. These seasons are getting longer, dude. They're seventeen
games by next year. It's eighteen minimum. Like it's that
offensive line. The season can get ugly very fast. Nothing
(27:49):
can save. You like an O line to move the chains,
keep your defense off the field. More snaps for all
these great athletes. I don't want my defense on the
field all game at Denver Line.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Yeah, well, it's good that we agree on something because
we're not on this next topic, your favorite former quarterback,
Cam Newton. He did his list of top ten quarterbacks
in the league right now, and the Super Bowl MVP
Jalen Hurts was not in the top ten.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Here's hot take artist Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Jalen Hurst is a great quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Do not get that twisted.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
But if we're talking about what they bring to the
table right holistically, it's hard to.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Judge what Jalen Hurst can do when when.
Speaker 9 (28:32):
You're throwing to a guy like AJ Brown Davonte Smith,
we have tight end skill set, you have a dominant defense.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Jalen Hursts does not have to play elite for the
Philadelphia Eagles to win. He has to play good, but
he doesn't have to play elite. We're not asking you
to win the game.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We're just asking you not to lose it.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know, I Cam Newton has really honestly, I like
it more as a podcast than the quarterbacks come on,
stop it now. He is boy's arguably the best college
football player I've ever.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Seen one amazing season. Yes, it was incredible, legendary stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well it was good.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I mean Tibo did it three years but whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Anyways, he drove me nuts as a quarterback because he
never had back to back winning seasons. I just felt
like he got into bad habits and I thought, like
I always thought, mechanically, he can't. He just kind of
a sloppy and he was inconsistent, great but inconsistent. He's
a really good podcast, makes a lot of really satient points.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Oh yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Are anti Hurts, I'll just say this, I'm sorry, but
like some of these former players and listening.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
To that logic, I mean, Colin, there's an.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Avalanche of data that refutes all of it, Like literally
every point.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jalen Hurts has.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
Dominated from the pocket. He was incredible last year Top
five from the pocket as a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yet all we keep hearing.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Is is nonsense. Well, he's got a stack deck.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
And the defense and the GM.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Like we're giving everybody credit except for the Super Bowl MVP,
who is unstoppable.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
He had the most unstoppable play football, sure or fall.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, he has the most unstoppable half yard playing football.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
It's fourth and one. It's a give me. It sets
them up where it's like, oh, it's hey, third and five.
What do we do here? Hey, we just need three yards.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
We can easily get two because Jalen is an unbelievable,
unstoppable force with the tousch bushes like, how is he
getting knocked? It is absolutely puzzling to me. How you're
not higher on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You still have him ninth.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Or no, No, this happens on this show. You did this
with Bradley Beal last week. You've done this with Brock Purdy.
I like all of them, you go so far over
the top. I have to be the voice of you know,
sanity and just say, Jalen Hurts from the pocket. I'll
take Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Stafford from the pocket, Herbert C. J. Stroud,
(30:52):
Kyler Murray, I'll take all those guys from the pocket,
Baker Mayfield from the pocket. Now, if you're adding if
you're adding leadership, character, toughness, the tush push, there's a
lot of elements the Jalen that I love. I've said
before at the podium he's the new Dak. He's literally
perfect at the podium. Anytime there's heat in Philadelphia with
Sirianni that's every Wednesday. He suppresses all of it like
(31:15):
he is un He's a total adult. But trailing late,
sit in the pocket, throw dimes, that's he's not my guy.
I don't think he's top six or seven in the league.
I think he's probably somewhere between nine and thirteen. But
he's I don't think he's great from the I think
I think Tua from the pocket is just as good
as Jalen Hurris.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So we can say I don't think he's that good,
but the actual numbers say he's an elite quarterback from
the pocket for three years running.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Now, yes, we can't when you have like perfect protection
and a great run game. It should be noted week five,
the Eagles had to buy the coaching staff put their
heads together and said the way to get better is
throw less.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Well, I think a lot of that had to do
with and I remember it because I was on them
in that Saints game.
Speaker 5 (31:58):
Do you remember how bad Hurts was the Saints game?
It was in New Orleans. He was terrible.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
They still won the game, but he had a new
offensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
His wide receiver ended up reading a book on.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
The sideline because he was so frustrated. Imagine, imagine if
you had those headaches to deal with on this show.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Fortunately, I'm not a headache.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'm just a.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Come you know, bring on my lunch, payal to work guy.
Herts is dealing with like a different offensive play caller
every single season.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Colum Yeah, all right, final.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Story is uh oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
More LA Clippers Chris Paul just announced that he will
be going back to the paper Clips.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
He's in his twenty first season.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Played for the Clippers from twenty eleven to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Twelve time All Star. Actually was sound. Can I say
that sound?
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Which is better than average with the Spurs last year.
I don't think this is the worst pickup in the world.
They got a veteran locker room. They are an old
team that's undeniable, hardened.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Chris Paul in the.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Back of I love Chris Paul. So I'll never say
a bad word about Chris Paul. When he plays thirty minutes,
he makes every team he's ever played on better. So
you'll never hear a bad word with Chris Paul. I
think he's one of the great point guards ever. I
actually like this move. I think this team in the
last five years. My big knock on the Clippers is
who's running the offense. It's not you know, and who's
(33:18):
available tonight. It's not coaching, it's not roster composition. It's like, Okay,
who's available to play, and who's engineering us, who's getting
us into our offense? Chris Paul to the Clippers, I
love that move. You know again, twenty four minutes to
thirty minutes, he's gonna play two out of three games.
Just know what it is. Rest him for the postseason.
(33:38):
But I love Chris Paul as a player. I love
him as a guy, love him as a leader, love
his IQ. Very few players I've ever respected more than
Chris Paul, his game him, I mean, he's great.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Hey, listen, the Hall of Fame lock. This is a
I'm just saying you look at depth one through ten
that paper Clips are.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Definitely top three in the league.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
They have an awesome bench. I know it's old.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I see you rolling your eyes there, Pow, but I'm
just saying, you know, I'm a Lakers guy.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Look out for the Clippers this year.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
It's funny the saff just putting this on the screen.
Listen to this. So the Clippers were the oldest roster
in the league. Less they were the oldest roster in
the league. So far this offseason, they've added thirty seven
year old Brook Lopez, re signed thirty six year old
Nick patom who I like, added thirty two year old
Bradley Beal, and just signed forty year old Chris Paul.
(34:35):
This is the remake of the movie Cocoon. This team
is honestly, do they get sort of can they board
the flight early? They may be able to board the
plane early with oxygen canisters? Oh that was that was
a shot. It is an old teams. They the Thunders
(35:03):
average age is twenty five, so just saying the NBA
is getting younger, the Thunder twenty five and the Clippers
were the oldest team before these acquisitions. Name value, I'm
not denying that they got. They're trying to get people
into the yetto into it Dome. They they that's a
(35:23):
big part of this is it's headliners. It's big names. Now,
the Clippers are also announcing they're gonna play their games
at five because the player. They're gonna call them early
Bird specials. So all Clipper games now are at five
pm Los Angeles time. These guys got to get to bed,
so early bird Clippers schedule.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
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Speaker 2 (35:55):
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Speaker 1 (36:22):
So we had we were saying earlier today there's like
an understanding. They were talking about the best rosters in
the NFL this year in Denver is now sixth and
it was just a mess when he got there. Remember
Nat Hackett was there. They'd given up first round picks.
You know, I'd kind of predicted. I didn't think Russell
Wilson and Sean Payton's personalities would click, just knowing Sean
(36:45):
as I know him very authentic and very intense and
very critical. And Russell's just a very almost overly optimistic guy,
if that's possible. And I just thought that's oil and water.
It's not going to work, and it didn't. But they
make the playoffs in year two with a rookie quarterback
and a great division. And now they've got the second
or third best offensive line, the sixth best overall roster.
(37:06):
And that's nothing against the front office of the Broncos,
but a lot of that considering they gave up two
first round picks to get Russell. It's Sean Payton and
Matt Hasselbeck said he absolutely loves what they're doing in Denver.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
Denver I think is a major threat in the AFC West.
We're going to be talking about what a great coaching division.
This is the head coaches guys that have hoisted Lombardi's
three out of the four. But and everyone's gonna want
to crown Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I get that.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
I like them too. But he has something special in Bonittz.
He knows exactly what he is looking for in a quarterback.
It's those same exact traits that his quarterback Drew Brees had.
This defense might be the best defense in the NFL.
My concern or question would be, like, what do they
have firepower wise, consistency wise at the wide receiver position.
(37:51):
I thought they were pretty good last year, but I
thought they might have overachieved, you know, can they continue
to improve and grow.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
In that area?
Speaker 6 (37:58):
But to me, Sean pay Eaton knows exactly what it takes.
Everyone believes in him, and if that thing gets rolling
in Denver, that home field advantage is real just as well.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
So that's a team to watch in my mind.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
So the other thing we talked about, and I said
last week July and early August, is when bread crumbs
become headlines because people like our show. We got three
hours to fill. Newspapers have multiple columns to write. It's
the hardest time of the year to generate stuff. But
I did think last week I said, I don't have
a problem saying if Greg McElroy and Lane Kiffin are
(38:32):
bo saying Saban's got an itch for coaching, it would
be pro football. I buy into that. They didn't say
pro football. I did because I think with nil there's
just no possible way that especially Alabama could pay off
Kaylin de boor pay fifteen million nil and then go
pay Saban sixty. It can't happen. Bama is sec outside
(38:55):
of Texas and Texas and m and not a lot
of big nil money. The big nil money is in
the state of Texas, USC, Oregon, Ohio, State, Michigan. It's
a lot of these big ten schools. Clemsons doesn't have it.
It's the downside of these small rural towns. Car dealers
are the big money, and that's a small that's a
tight margin business, whereas the big ten's got bigger cities,
(39:17):
finance tech. It's just easier to raise that kind of capital.
But I do think I can see Nick Saban taking
phone calls, especially in Cleveland. You can like Kevin Stefanski,
who would get another job in a minute, But Saban's different.
Saban's a brand, and arch Manning goes there. He's a brand.
(39:38):
And Jimmy Haslam, the Browns owner, loves headlines, loves juice,
and Hasselbeck's thoughts on if Saban came back to the NFL,
would he succeed.
Speaker 6 (39:48):
The reality of the NFL is that most of the
guys in the NFL, most of the players are in
years one, two, or three. It's a very young league
right now. You have some outliers, some quarterbacks, some guys
that are old.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
But the most the roster as young.
Speaker 6 (40:01):
So he would know these guys maybe as well as anybody,
and I think the respect is certainly there. The challenge
in my mind for a guy like that going from
Alabama to the NFL, You're not gonna have a better
roster than all the guys you play.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
And then the other thing is.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Like understanding how to deal with a franchise quarterback in
the NFL is going to be very different than college.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You can't necessarily talk to him that way.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
You can't go musical chairs if you feel like switching
a guy at halftime. It rarely works in the NFL.
So I think that would probably be the biggest adjustment.
But in terms of respect, knowledge of the game, the
staff that he could acquire, I mean, it would be
Belichick esque in my mind if you were to get
him as an NFL head coach.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
One of the reasons SEC coaches have not done well
Spurrier didn't work, Saban didn't work. A lot of the
reasons to me is almost temperament, is that Spurrier was
too laid back, and guys like Kirby Smart and Nick
are like so intense. I mean, there's multiple videos of
Nick Saban dog cussing an assistant coach or a player.
(41:04):
You don't do that in the NFL. Kirby Smart does
not work in the NFL, and you know it's I mean,
people say, oh, Chip Kelly didn't work. He actually worked
in Philadelphia. He won ten games back to back with
kind of BC level quarterbacks. They just he and Howie
Roseman oil and water didn't work and how he had
the leverage. So the truth is there's a temperament truth
(41:25):
to the NFL. The players. Andy Reid barks at practice,
he's not going to bark very often at players during
the game. Belichick was not a barker. Again, the Belichick
would do it in private, he wouldn't do it on TV.
A lot of SEC coaches, it's almost like high school
football coaching in the seventies and eighties, like it's yelling
(41:47):
and screaming. I don't think that temperament works in the NFL.
And I do think Saban would work. I don't know
to what degree he would work, but I do think
he would work all right, First two hours of the
show have absolutely flown by what the Clippers just signed.
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