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Thanks so much. I'm Doug gollib In for Colin Calherd
and for the next hour, I want to talk sports
with you from Powway to Escondito. I gotta be honest
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with you. I really enjoyed last night watching below average
college football. Now that's one of the things that I
always I always find interesting as we get ready get
closer and closer to you once it's a college football season.
Whatever is just this idea that college football is so great?
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I love college football. The problem is the juxtaposition of
college football versus professional football is it's really hard because heck,
it's a much lower level, right, That's just it. It's
a lower level of football, and the you know, the
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plays just not as good, and because of it, you
know you're going to have some plays like last night
where you just miss guys that are wide open that
they don't have in the pros. But I think there's
a balance there because I'm not a huge fan. There's
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parts of the there's parts of the Dyon thing I
am a fan of. There's parts of it that I'm
not a fan of. Obviously. Look, I got my first
head coaching job. I had no collegiate experience. There are
gonna be lots of people that draw parallel there to
Dion Sanders, who had no collegian experience. He got the
Jackson State job. Then he took them and they were incredible.
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So if I could get to that place, that would
be amazing. I love the attention that he's brought to
his program. I'm trying to do that myself, try and
do it in smart ways. I'm not copying, but I am.
I am emulating in many ways some of the things
that he's done. I don't I don't love the BS.
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I don't love being told that Shador Sanders was just
trying to get his buddy a touchdown throwing a ball late,
which should never be thrown ever ever ever, you know,
I don't like the showing off a watch. I don't
like the taunting. I don't you know, I don't like
I'll just go and win the game, go in the game.
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But what I do understand and appreciate and what I
do think is is really really something that we should
all kind of learn from, all right, is well, I mean,
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if we're just kind of honest about it, how hard
it is to do what he's trying to do. Because
if we're just again totally honest about Colorado football, you
take his son off that team, and you take Travis
Hunter off that team, that's a below average football team.
They they're going to struggle to win many games at all.
They just are you know, you tell me how they're
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going to how they're going to win without those two.
Those guys are everything. And you're trying to build a program.
And look, this is something that I run into as well,
which is like, hey, I'm trying to build a program.
So if I try and skip steps and get guys,
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because like we haven't started school yet. Technically, I have
a player who's supposed to be here from Israel. He's
supposed to be here Tuesday. But I can tell him like, hey,
can't come. You know, I could make up the it's
a war torn country. We can't get you over here
when everybody's supposed to be here, And then I could
technically have one more scholarship. There are a thousand guys available.
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But if we've passed on you, we've passed on you
for a reason. What could that reason be. You might
have a case against you right now. You just might.
You might have academic issues, you might be tough to
get along with. I could I could skip steps and
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try and be more competitive, try and win every game
this year, But I'm not going to build a program.
If I do that, I'm just not And to me,
that's not what it's supposed to be about. You're supposed
to build a whole program. But again, if you're trying
to be in and out in just a year or two,
you get as many portal guys, it's not easy. Lincoln
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Riley it was as widely been regarded as an elite,
elite coach, elite coach. I have friends for work for
Lincoln Riley like that, dude, He's the best that I've
ever worked for. And they've worked for some of the
best in the apps of business, and you're like, man,
that the bottom kind of fell out there, didn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I did. Do you know why? Because winning is really
really hard, really hard. Winning is hard, and winning consistently
everybody's trying to win. Think of again, think of Lincoln Riley.
He brings the best quarterback in America with him, who
had started for a year at Oklahoma. So it's not
like he's inexperienced. Yeah, he started him for a year,
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comes over and knows the system. They go out and
spend a bunch of money, get some skilled position players,
and they were good the first year, and then all
of a sudden, a lot like Dion, like, hey, the
not having an offensive line, not having a defensive front,
trying to get a defense like that is really hard.
It's really hard tell you in basketball, like, I have
no doubt my team's gonna be able to score, don't
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know if we'll be able to stop anybody. And the
hard part and the guys that you want to get
for that, for those spots like those are the hardest
ones to come by. And I probably should have known
when I took the job. But part of it, when
you get the job you're like, I'm just trying to
get as many guys to stay as possible, and then
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just trying to get a competitive team, and then you
start trying to add pieces and get kind of cute
with it who's available. But like, you know, to win
in college basketball, you need three four or five year
guys that are junkyard dogs, the skill position guys you'll need.
They look good, they probably end up scoring the points,
but you're not gonna do anything unless you can be tough,
unless you can rebound, unless you can defend, unless you
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can fight. And those guys are really really hard to
find because the guys that you can try and find
that are good enough are already taken and they're already valued.
And the guys that are out there on the market,
it's hard to value them because you're sitting there going like, yeah,
I don't know the points, the rebounding, what does he do?
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You just see a guy who goes grows program. The
same thing is true for Colorado football. They're not missing
anything with anything other than they're just soft and they're
not particularly good at tough defensively, how do you get
tougher time? You have to have the ability to sit
guys when they're not performing, right, you have to have
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more guys you can throw in and play instead of
them with the team that the stuff doesn't fall out.
You need time with players. So we've had a massive
disruption to the entire system with COVID and with the
transfer portal and all of that. Then you have a
disruptor himself in Dion Sanders who comes in and shakes
things up. They get a bunch of dudes, but it's
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not easy. This is not me being sympathetic towards Dion,
right because he talked to talk. Now he's got to
walk the walk. This is us taking a snapshot going like, yeah,
it's a little hard in your thought. And the thing
about it is you could sit there and go It
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should be easier now than it was when Bob Stubs
took over to Oklahoma in his second year he won
a national title. It should be easier now than when
than when Urban Meyer takes over it making making sure
that he has uh, you know, it only took him
two years for mare Torontoho State. Do you know why
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it's harder because what they're trying to do in the portal,
everybody's doing. You're not zigging. When they zag, you're zagging.
When everybody zagging, I think, oh, hey, you know what
we're gonna do. We're gonna go in the portal and
we're gonna Yeah. That's they're all doing it. They're all
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doing it. It would be unheard of for Ohio State
to have a transfer starting quarterback, but they have. LSU
had a quarterback, had the best career, the best season
they've ever had. He was a transfer. They're all doing it.
It's way harder because at the end of the day, yeah,
you're Deon Sanders. And what Dion Sanders does is he
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appeals in many ways to people like me, people like you,
to parents, to coaches, but to kids. Kids want to play,
kids want to win, kids want to get paid, kids
want to compete, and they want to and oh yeah,
by the way, it's hard to recruit. It's hard to
recruit when you're recruiting against. When people recruit against Daddy Ball,
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you know whether it's real or imagine. People know that
he's coached his son every year of football. He does
he want to coach him next year? Will he even
be there? It sets you back in the portal. It
also sets you back when you're trying to recruit an
offensive line and coaches gets said, they go, look if
you if his son screws up, it's going to be
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your fault. Same thing with the defense. So this is
not me excusing the fact that Colorado is not nearly
as good as the pomp and circumstance and the bravado
would lead you to believe. But if we all think
Lincoln Riley knows what that always doing, which I do,
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I think he's a big time and year two was
harder for him and the portal's been just a hard
way to live even at USC. Do we have any
idea what this is going to look like at Colorado?
You know, a coach prime and Colorado held on for
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the win last night, But what does that mean for
the Buffs in year two? And now they're in the
Big twelve? Plus they got Nebraska coming up. We'll ask
the old p Well, ask Petros Papadakis, he joins us.
Plus the little USC talk why not that's next in
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Doug Gottliebin for Colin is the Herd Fox sports radio,
iHeartRadio app. You know it's funny. There's when you take
over a job, right, Like dream scenario is you take
over a job and the coach leaves you like five
six seniors. You know, a well oiled machine hands it over.
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Those kids are super united. All they want to do
is be coached by somebody else and listen with It
just never works that way. It never works that way
because when you take over a program, you may take
you may get it because a coach elevated to a
better job. When he elevates to a better job, he
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takes the best players with him. Or a lot of
those kids that are high level kids, they came to
play for him. They're gonna leave anyway, right, So if
the program's not uh doesn't have good enough talent, well
then you got to bring it all new players. And
if it's not well coached enough, well then you got
to kind of coach them up. But the new play
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the older players are going to struggle with their loyalty,
as are your coaches to their old to the old players.
So you bring it all new guys, and every guy
you bring in they got an issue. That's why they left.
Elsewhere More on that with Petros popadecas. He joins in
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I took over a program that two years ago won
four games. Wasn't great and there wasn't anything two years
ago that you're like, oh, we just take this one thing,
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we can be really good about it. Now, they got
to be gotta be better academically, gotta be better athletically,
got to be better in skill development, got to be
better overall player size of players, skill set across the board.
Last year, a guy named sun Dance Wicks was now
the head coach at Wyoming was the coacher. He did
a very good job. So now I'm replacing a guy
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that won eighteen games. It's two biggest portal players. He
took with them. The best player on the team left
and is at TCU now. And yet you know that
it's a hard building to live up to. You gotta
do it. My point is, it takes time, and if
you're going to try and do it quick and compete
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right away. You run the risk of skipping steps and
it sets you back in terms of your timeline for
actually building a really good program. Now, if you're only
going to be somewhere for you know, a year or
two years, then you do the best you can. You
dial it up real quick. It's just like flipping a house.
You paint everything white. You hope nobody opens up a counter,
open up a cabinet, and look at look inside. We
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get to Petross in a moment. First, so let's get
to Ryan Music with the News. Oh sorry, I thought
we had Ryan Music with the News, it says, That's
why I asked, Okay, well we'll get Petros. That's fine. Look,
college football is fascinating to me, and it's like, can Texas.
You know, Texas has got a huge one next weekend?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Can text against Michigan? Can Texas stand their own success?
Because as hard as it is to make it, it's
really hard to sustain success. What does Alabama look like
with a new head coach? What does Oklahoma look like
in the SEC We'll see about USC where they are
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in getting that thing back together. What does Michigan look
like fresh off National Championship new coach, and obviously you
have some of these NC infractions. Then Ohio State they
threw a bunch of money at the problem. But I
don't think on anybody's BINGO card for elite quarterbacks, they
may go like, hey, you know Will Howard at Kansas State,
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that's going to be the guy at Ohio State. Petros
Papadekis has covered college football since he finished up at
USC as a star, and of course you also hear
him on PMS, which is afternoons here on five seventy
am in Los Angeles. He is a football savant and
he works for Fox and he joins US now in
the Herd. Biggest takeaway watching CUS North Dakota State last night.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Well, I can't say I wasn't rooting for the Bison,
but I have a lot of respect for North Dakota
State football, as we all do, but they are an
FCS program. A couple of years ago, Doug I did
a North Dakota State at Arizona game and Arizona was
just in the midst of starting their turnaround against the
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Jed against North Dakota State with Jed Fish and there
was kind of a similar trajectory in the game, North
Dakota State had trouble with the perimeter guys, and obviously
they had trouble with Travis Hunter and Shador and it
kind of played out from there. A couple of things
happened here or there. Maybe they win that game, but
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it played out kind of like I thought it would
and be on lists to fight another day without a loss.
And it was about last year around mid October. I
think that we kind of detached from the Colorado story
at least as far as thinking that they were good.
And it's kind of like the combine or that sort
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of stuff with some programs, some players, some people. The
further they get away from the field, the more interest
is generated. But once the game start, the equity just
really isn't there, which is wins and losses. The crazy
thing about Colorado is they create all this equity for
everybody without ever proven that they can win. So we'll
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see how it shakes out of the Rocky Mountain showdown
in the other games. But it was an entertaining game,
no doubt about that. But I had to watch it
on mute.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I'm with you, Yeah, what is the deal do they do?
They bring announcers in and said like, okay, this is
going to be like we've all done games where we
know who's watching and we know to kind of play
to that audience, right, but it takes a step to
the like there's a lot more going on that we're
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talking about. I just it's really interesting on how that
thing is covered.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, and uh, it's it. Look, it's I started calling
college football games where if you mentioned gambling, you get
fired or at least yelled at, you know what I mean.
So a lot has changed over the years. And again
that's that's I'd never call a game like that guy ever.
So and that's been long before Dion Sanders even thought
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about coaching. So I've never liked the announcer and he
really leaned into it, and I don't like it. But whatever,
you know, I'm a forty seven year old white guy.
No one cares what I say.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I agree, But I think there's a lot more guys
like us that love college football that are watching that
game that were like, what are we what are we
doing here?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Clemson? The grand experiment for Clemson is we're not going
to do the portaloybody else is doing the portal We're
not going to do the portal. They're the beautiful woman.
Okay who everybody else is doing botox and like nope,
we're going ell Nottrall. Does it work this year?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, don't forget air Force and Army and they don't
work the portal either, which is interesting. You know, we
talk about Colorado football all the time and they don't
win games. Air Force wins nine ten games a year
right there in Colorado with no nil, no red shirts,
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no graduates, no transfers, no portal, no anything. Just a
bunch of stocky dudes that like to run the triple option.
It's kind of funny. You know. I'm kind of with
Dabbo when it comes to what he said to that
guy in Spartanburg that called in and he got all
mad at last year and the coaches call in show
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and now he's not going to take calls this year.
If you heard that? What was clubs and Football before
Davos Sweeney made it a kind of pseudo SEC program
that has the nation's attention year and in, year out
and won a bunch of titles and has become relevant.
I mean, what are they?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Uh no, they were they were a man we were
good that one year in the eighties, will do anything
to get it back to be in the eighties, And
and they were. They were. They were a second to
third tier program. Second tier program.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, they certainly weren't going to be asked about, you know,
on a national radio show, you know, like they just
they weren't that kind of program. They were they were
regionally popular. They had a great rivalry every year with
South Carolina, and that was kind of that. There was
some really nice details about Clemson football and Pat Conroy's
Prince of Tides, and we went on from there. Davos
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Sweeney's made him relevant and it kind of goes into
that world where you know, Lebron has done whatever he
wants because he can and he's proven he can do
whatever he wants. A tani can do whatever he wants.
Let him have his dog out on the field and
pick up the baseball and run around and smile and
dance in the sun. You know, these guys are so relevant,
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they're so huge, They've proven so much and made so
much money for so many people that if they say, hey,
I'm not going to work the portal, no one can
say anything. You know, I think the best college football
teams still, whether or not they have a few transfer
guys or not. The best teams in college football are
the ones that developed together and recruit out of high
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school and that's kind of the base of their greatness.
As we saw what Michigan did last year with Jim Harbaugh.
That wasn't some crazy transfer laden team or a bunch
of five star recruits. They were just people that grew together,
that were well coached, that had a great purpose, and
obviously talented. But they weren't the most talented team in
the country. So I don't know if it works perfectly,
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but I don't think it's the worst thing in the
world to try. I think it's a little bit excited
to say we're not going to do this at all,
you know what I mean. But I still think the
way to victory is bringing in your own people and
developing your own people.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh, I don't think there's any question. I mean, like, look,
if you look at Purdue last year, right they had
one guy out of the portal. I know it's basketball,
but they did. You mentioned college football, and I think
what we're seeing at SC and we're seeing at Colorado
is the pitfalls of the portal. Right, It just is
because one, there's only so much money you can spend.
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It costs more money to go get guys outside of
your outside of your locker room than inside, and you
run out of money. So if you go in SC
you spend a bunch of money in a quarterback and
on a wide receiver, you don't have a defense, right,
Whereas if you build from inside, you can make up
for a lack of talent with cohesion. You can make
players totally understand the system. You can make them playoffs. One.
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I think this is the best long term play. My
question is can they Can they get to whether it's
this year with a ridiculously hard schedule or next year
where it actually plays out where there is they're back
to being elite with homegrown players.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, and you need patients and understanding. And as you know,
any college football or basketball or anything program that works
at any level, as a university president and an AD
and a head coach that all work together. And if
that's not the case, then you don't have cohesion, and
it's hard to have sustained success.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I think about Oklahoma and Bob Stoops and how those
people work together for decades and created a really relevant thing.
So yeah, there's a lack of patients, and these people
feel like, look, I have to bring in as many
ready players as I possibly can, because if we're not
ready and we get beat, I'm the one that's going
to get fired. But I also will say this ring
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games nowadays, in the transfer era, when you get some
of these teams, you know, you talk to coaches, especially
early in the season, and they say things like, well,
we got this guy from this place and he's solid,
he's going to be okay. We got this guy from
this place and blah blah blah, and it's kind of
like you plug in and play, but then the game
starts and sometimes you really don't know who that player
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is until the bullets are real. And more often than not,
or a couple times, you know, three or four weeks
into the season, that guy that they said that they
got from wherever who was going to be okay, is
not even on the team anymore or not starting anymore.
So it certainly adds just this element of volatility that
I think that we've never seen before a sport might
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more like a JC style.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's actually interestingly, people have asked me
about me doing the job. It's like I've coach au basketball.
This is it's not that big a change for me
because I haven't been coaching in it in twenty years.
Guys have been doing it one year for twenty thirty
forty years, and now all of a sudden, you have
this style. It's very very different and very off putting
to them.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And I can understand that too, because you know, you're
negotiating with people twenty four to seven, and that's that's
not the college sports model that I come from for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
No, No, it's I mean people who truly don't understand,
like we agreed, that's what That's what Gundhy was getting at,
you know, a week and a half ago, it's like,
call me after the season. What do you call from
for now? There's no more money now it's all budget out.
It's I'll pay it out. We're good. You want more,
get more?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
More and more college football programs are hiring, you know,
general manager types, you know, not just to deal with recruiting,
but just to kind of shuffle out the money and
figure out, you know, who's getting won and make sure
they get paid. Because we really are truly in the
Wild West.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Petris Papadigas joined us from AM five seventy. It's the
show's called PMS. Of course, you can watch them on
weekends covering college football games for Fox Sports. You played
at SC. What is the status is SC? Is in
this place where okay, Kayleb Williams is gone. But now
maybe this is more of a of a team. But
is that ensemble cast good enough to compete about the
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Big ten?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Well, let's not forget. You know that Caleb Williams, you know,
with or without the Big ten coming was seven and
seven and his last fourteen starts at SC. So they
had a great performance in a bowl game that Caleb
Williams didn't play in from the guy who's starting named
miller Man. And there is a school of thought where
people say Lincoln Riley is a great offensive mine and
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maybe things just got a little too loose with all
the improvisational play year and in a year out from
Caleb Williams in your offense doesn't really create an identity.
Your identity is my god, let's hope this guy runs
around when the play breaks down and save us from ourselves.
And after a while, you know, it's like going to
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the bars when you're twenty. Year one is great. Your two,
you know, year three he starts to get a little threadbare,
So I would I'm I'm looking forward to seeing Lincoln
Riley call plays on time, you know, kind of like
he did with guys like Baker Mayfield a little bit more,
and structure the offense with a quarterback who's going to
kind of do what he says. Not that Kayla Williams
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wasn't spectacular, but I don't think it helped the overall
identity of the team. What us he needs to do
is what Michigan did or anybody else who has success
or whenever us he has had success. This is recruit
up front and develop and be great there. I don't
know if they've done that, but they've certainly shored up
their defensive staff. They made Lincoln Riley fire everybody, and
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he hired three really good defensive coaches. Doun Belk from Houston,
who I like a lot, Matt Ends, who was the
head coach at North Dakota State last year his team
just played last night's just coaching linebackers. And then Deanton Lynn,
who was a great defensive coordinator for the country's best
defense last year at UCLA has come over to SC
so we'll see how that changes their identity. I don't
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think they're going to get blown off the field by Lsuls.
He's been get enough thousands of rushing yards in the
Brian Kelly era, so I think it'll be a good
competitive game. But I think the physical advantages in the
identity advantages is with the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I would I would agree with you, p you the best.
Where are you at this weekend?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I got Wyoming Arizona State. Interesting to see how Arizona
State will turn around after a bad year last year.
And Wyoming is a great, solid football program. I always
love watching that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, they it's it's at sun It's at sun Devil Stadium.
That's always oh yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Hundred and six degrees seven o'clock kick.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, all right, well, I can't wait to see it.
You're always great in the call. Phoenix is not about
one easy, easy flight to get to and not a
great not a bad place to get a beverage after
after the game. Appreciate you, Junie.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You're doing great. You make what your your social media
makes Wisconsin look like paradise.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Wisconsin is paradise in the summer. We just we'll just
we'll just have a lot of inside clips when we
get to the winter. Man looking forward to talk too soon.
That's Petros Papadakis Jonas here on the Doug in the
heard Doug Gottliebin for Colin. Let's get you to Ryan
Music with the news.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
No, no, no, this is the Herd line news A man,
it doesn't get much better than having the Old p
and the Herd on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Get I'm gonna say this because he's hung up and
he's not listening. I don't I like a lot of
people who call games. I'm friends with a ton of people.
I struggle to be friends with people who I don't
think are good at their job. This is like a
personal thing, you know, like if you're bad at whatever
job you are, I have just we're probably not friends.
(29:41):
I don't know, man, And maybe people if I'm bad
at this job, maybe people's not being my friend as well.
But I don't think Petros and I have like we
haven't hung out socially ever. I just think he's great
at calling games. Yeah, I think he's really really good.
I think he totally gets all the nuances of it.
Unless he does the work. He loves the sport, he
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loves high school football.
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He's really good, one hundred percent, always a big fan
of a game when you know Petros Papadakus is on
the call. So thanks to p for coming into the herd.
All right, let's turn our attention from college to the NFL.
Here the Eagles and Jalen Hurts looking to turn things
around after last year's late season collapse. They're also going
to have to do that without their six time All
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Pro center Jason Kelce, who has of course retired. Hertz
admits he had to take a back seat to Kelsey
when it came to certain elements of the offense. Here
he is talking about it on WIP and Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
You know, I think in the end, I think when
you look at this upcoming season and what you may
have seen from the years past is just different autonomy
in different places. You know, we had a great player here,
Jason Kelsey, who took on a lot of responsibility and
results of that, I was told not to worry about
a lot of things, my eagerness to learn and not
let it over the years, you know, kindel was halted
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because of who we had, but not times are different,
and I'm excited for that journey.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So basically talking about how you know, obviously having an
all time great at center, help facilitate call the protections,
call out some of the defensive signals there, helped him
early on in his career. And you know, I don't
hold that against him, right, I mean, that's when you're
a young quarterback and you have that at your disposal.
I mean, leaning into that and allowing him to run
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the offense in that sense is the smart thing to do. Now,
what I think is interesting is when you look at
Jalen Hurts in his career, started at Alabama, then went
to Oklahoma, worked with worked with Lincoln Riley, who, as
you pointed out earlier, is just brilliant offensive head coach.
Then he gets Shane Steichen and now you know things
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were rough last year and you know they bring in
Kellen Moore. There's just a lot of things for them
to figure out to try and get back into a
true contender in the NFC and not that sort of mess,
if you will, at the end of last season.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I agree, I'm interested to see what it looks like.
You know, you know, you think you know, But now
when everything is different. Let's check it out. Yeah, what
else you got?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
So not Jason Kelcey, but Travis Kelcey, of course everybody
knows his long not long, but his very public relationship
with Taylor Swift. Well with that comes Taylor Swift as
a Chiefs fan. Patrick Mahomes talking about Taylor Swift and
her impact on Chiefs fans, saying, you know, I love
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having her attend the games as a girl.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Dad.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I love seeing what he's doing to bring more girls
into the sport of football. And I think it's been
special because she's the most famous person in the world.
She's super genuine and she's really interested in football. She
asks a lot of great questions and she's even started
drawing up plays. We might have to put one in,
so I guess keep an eye out on the Chiefs
offense this season. Maybe Andy Reid's gonna put in a
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Taylor Swift drawn up play.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Come on, oh what you just come on?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You're not buying that.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
How did you keep a straight face reading that story?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
It was tough. It was tough.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Like there is there is about the same percentage chance
of like you know, like the little kid that goes
like Travis, will you run that play for me? Like, okay,
this is he's not a Make a Wish kid, she's
his girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
No, no, listen, Okay, so let's look at their schedule.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
They're not they're not They're not running it. She's not
drawing up a play.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Week eighteen against the Broncos. They've already locked up the
number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, he shouldn't be playing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
It doesn't have to be Patrick Mahomes throwing a pass
to Travis Kelcey and they call it the Taylor Swift play.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But I think she was She thinks she's gonna drove
a play where Travis is the decoy.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Maybe you don't know what kind of chops she's got.
Does anybody know if Swift's just a secretly great Madden player?
You don't know for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
See this is the difference. This is this is a
real conversation we had. Okay, I had a conversation with
Ali La Force, who we used to do a show
together CBS, and she's obviously does sideline for TNT and
NBA TV, and she's she's wonderful, right, great, And she's
a former college Hooper. She played at ohiou as well,
but we started talking about, like, what did you do
when you're a kid. You're like, well, she said, what
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do you mean. I was like, well, when you weren't
playing sports as a kid, what would you do? And
she's like, I don't know that hung out my friends.
It's like, did you play dolls? She was like, probably
when I was little, I played dolls. It's like, did
you play Maden?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Did you play NBA jam No? Right? Did you collect
baseball cards?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Like these are all and like now they all play
fantasy football as well. These are the differentiators toeing guys
and you know, women and men. Even as somebody who's
a hardcore hooper, she loves hoop knows hoop as well.
But she didn't play Madden. She didn't grow up playing
Techmobile or Double Dribble now that stuff.
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Wow, you're just a dream crusher.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Doug, dream crusher, dream crusher. That's Ryan music with the news.
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Here's what we got best for last. We'll give you
five college picks for the weekend. Five college fix for
the weekend. And what I'm gonna do is, because the
slate of games is so good and frankly Saturday slate
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and Sunday slate gets even deeper, I'm just gonna give
you one for today, one from today. Well, let's start
with TCU taking on Stanford. Of course, a year and
a half ago, tc was the National Championship game. Last
year at this time, they lost a heartbreaker at home
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to Colorado to start this season. So Sunny Dyke's is
going to travel to Palo alto take take on Stanford.
Stanford did not win a game at home last year,
oh and seven at home in case you're wondering, and
I know most of you are, Troy Taylor is Stanford's
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head coach. You're like, I have no idea. I did
not know that, Ryan. Did you know if I would
have said Troy Taylor, who's the head to coachev in
the ACC, who would you have picked out Stanford at all?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
That entire sentence has got a lot happening there.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
A lot happened there.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Uh No, I don't think I would have been able
to correctly pinpoint that.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now. Of course, Dyke's was in at CAL and Stanford
was four to zero against him. Who's a CAL A
different animal at TCU. Here's the way TCU rolls, like, oh,
we screwed up with the portal last year, not screwing
up this year. I like TCU big. Remember it's not
just that Stanford is not any good or this year
two and they're not really huge portal players. But also
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remember playing at Palo Alto if you don't know anything,
they don't draw well to begin with, and they're not
even in school right now, give me TCU minus eight,
TCU minus eight, there will be a no home field advantage.
Let's get to the Saturday slate. Of games. Miami is
taking on Florida. This is a Miami team that we
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were told, Hey, you go out and you hire a
guy who look what he built at Oregon. He's a
Miami guy. They'll win right away. Last year they did not,
so they too went into the portal and they went
and got a quarterback who was killing it at Washington State,
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more of a runner than a thrower. Taking on Florida
in the swamp. That's a crazy game where Miami is
actually a road favorite. Mario Cristobal, of course. You look
at what he did at Oregon, and he builds from
the inside out. He's an old line guy and he
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builds his lines, and then he went and got cam Ward.
I'm also I'm gonna sit here and go like, yeah,
but Florida is a different animal playing in the swamp.
I think Florida wins two and a half point dog
at home home dogs, govern give me the Gators.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
The biggest game of the weekend is also on Saturday.
It is Clemson taking on Georgia. Yes, I know, Notre
Dame Michigan. I'll get to that one as well. Big
thing with this game is that I just eleven and
a half feels like too many points for Georgia over Clemson.
Not because Clemson is as talented as Georgia, but we
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talked about the cohesiveness. I think this is a close
football game, like Georgia win, but Georgia win close, give
me Clemson, but Georgia gets the points. Notre Dame taking
on texts A and M Irish a three point dog
at A and M. I'm gonna take the Irish to
go down and get an upset this one. It's not
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the same problems as Stanford cayle Field. To have one
hundred thousand people in attendants, it'll be ob scene. But
A and M has a tendency, and I know Mike
Elko comes back there. It's his first game as head coach.
How'd you like that? Hey, first game at home opening
with the Irish? Like, oh who? That's a hard one.
But I do think. I think Notre Dame comes in
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and gets a win. Is that crazy? Might be crazy?
They haven't played each other since two thousand and one. Anyway,
I'll take Notre Dame plus the three points. Let's go
to the Sunday games because I give you four picks
so far. Sunday is LSU taking on USC. LSU. Obviously
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you're replacing a Heisman Trophy winner at quarterback and USC
replacing Caleb Williams at quarterback. But this game is in Vegas.
Feels like a perfect game for USC to sneak up
and win. And I know that Garrett Newssemeier showed some
signs last year he threw for was it three ninety
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five against Wisconsin in the bowl game. Yeah, I like
to in this game sc straight up. So remember of
the dogs that I have, I have SC straight up.
I got Notre Dame straight up, I have Florida home
dog straight up right, and then uh, and then I
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have Clemson to cover but not to win, so that's
not a straight up pick to cover but not to win.
And then tonight in the big game of just tonight,
I have TCU, who is a favorite, winning and covering
on the round. Those are the picks that's the best
for last Oh God, I love college football. But I
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will tell you as much as yeah, I'm kind of
Jones And for a good tailgate, this is a weekend
where you're like, yeah, I'm not tailgating too many games
on and even if you have one of those really
good tailgating set setups where you can sit and watch
a couple of TVs. It just feels better on the couch.
So whether you're on the couch, you're at the tailgate,
enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you Monday and the
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Thanks so much. I'm Doug gollib In for Colin Calherd
and for the next hour, I want to talk sports
with you from Powway to Escondito. I gotta be honest
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with you. I really enjoyed last night watching below average
college football. Now that's one of the things that I
always I always find interesting as we get ready get
closer and closer to you once it's a college football season.
Whatever is just this idea that college football is so great?
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I love college football. The problem is the juxtaposition of
college football versus professional football is it's really hard because heck,
it's a much lower level, right, That's just it. It's
a lower level of football, and the you know, the
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plays just not as good, and because of it, you
know you're going to have some plays like last night
where you just miss guys that are wide open that
they don't have in the pros. But I think there's
a balance there because I'm not a huge fan. There's
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parts of the there's parts of the Dyon thing I
am a fan of. There's parts of it that I'm
not a fan of. Obviously. Look, I got my first
head coaching job. I had no collegiate experience. There are
gonna be lots of people that draw parallel there to
Dion Sanders, who had no collegian experience. He got the
Jackson State job. Then he took them and they were incredible.
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So if I could get to that place, that would
be amazing. I love the attention that he's brought to
his program. I'm trying to do that myself, try and
do it in smart ways. I'm not copying, but I am.
I am emulating in many ways some of the things
that he's done. I don't I don't love the BS.
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I don't love being told that Shador Sanders was just
trying to get his buddy a touchdown throwing a ball late,
which should never be thrown ever ever ever, you know,
I don't like the showing off a watch. I don't
like the taunting. I don't you know, I don't like
I'll just go and win the game, go in the game.
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But what I do understand and appreciate and what I
do think is is really really something that we should
all kind of learn from, all right, is well, I mean,
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if we're just kind of honest about it, how hard
it is to do what he's trying to do. Because
if we're just again totally honest about Colorado football, you
take his son off that team, and you take Travis
Hunter off that team, that's a below average football team.
They they're going to struggle to win many games at all.
They just are you know, you tell me how they're
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going to how they're going to win without those two.
Those guys are everything. And you're trying to build a program.
And look, this is something that I run into as well,
which is like, hey, I'm trying to build a program.
So if I try and skip steps and get guys,
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because like we haven't started school yet. Technically, I have
a player who's supposed to be here from Israel. He's
supposed to be here Tuesday. But I can tell him like, hey,
can't come. You know, I could make up the it's
a war torn country. We can't get you over here
when everybody's supposed to be here, And then I could
technically have one more scholarship. There are a thousand guys available.
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But if we've passed on you, we've passed on you
for a reason. What could that reason be. You might
have a case against you right now. You just might.
You might have academic issues, you might be tough to
get along with. I could I could skip steps and
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try and be more competitive, try and win every game
this year, But I'm not going to build a program.
If I do that, I'm just not And to me,
that's not what it's supposed to be about. You're supposed
to build a whole program. But again, if you're trying
to be in and out in just a year or two,
you get as many portal guys, it's not easy. Lincoln
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Riley it was as widely been regarded as an elite,
elite coach, elite coach. I have friends for work for
Lincoln Riley like that, dude, He's the best that I've
ever worked for. And they've worked for some of the
best in the apps of business, and you're like, man,
that the bottom kind of fell out there, didn't it.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I did. Do you know why? Because winning is really
really hard, really hard. Winning is hard, and winning consistently
everybody's trying to win. Think of again, think of Lincoln Riley.
He brings the best quarterback in America with him, who
had started for a year at Oklahoma. So it's not
like he's inexperienced. Yeah, he started him for a year,
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comes over and knows the system. They go out and
spend a bunch of money, get some skilled position players,
and they were good the first year, and then all
of a sudden, a lot like Dion, like, hey, the
not having an offensive line, not having a defensive front,
trying to get a defense like that is really hard.
It's really hard tell you in basketball, like, I have
no doubt my team's gonna be able to score, don't
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know if we'll be able to stop anybody. And the
hard part and the guys that you want to get
for that, for those spots like those are the hardest
ones to come by. And I probably should have known
when I took the job. But part of it, when
you get the job you're like, I'm just trying to
get as many guys to stay as possible, and then
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just trying to get a competitive team, and then you
start trying to add pieces and get kind of cute
with it who's available. But like, you know, to win
in college basketball, you need three four or five year
guys that are junkyard dogs, the skill position guys you'll need.
They look good, they probably end up scoring the points,
but you're not gonna do anything unless you can be tough,
unless you can rebound, unless you can defend, unless you
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can fight. And those guys are really really hard to
find because the guys that you can try and find
that are good enough are already taken and they're already valued.
And the guys that are out there on the market,
it's hard to value them because you're sitting there going like, yeah,
I don't know the points, the rebounding, what does he do?
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You just see a guy who goes grows program. The
same thing is true for Colorado football. They're not missing
anything with anything other than they're just soft and they're
not particularly good at tough defensively, how do you get
tougher time? You have to have the ability to sit
guys when they're not performing, right, you have to have
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more guys you can throw in and play instead of
them with the team that the stuff doesn't fall out.
You need time with players. So we've had a massive
disruption to the entire system with COVID and with the
transfer portal and all of that. Then you have a
disruptor himself in Dion Sanders who comes in and shakes
things up. They get a bunch of dudes, but it's
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not easy. This is not me being sympathetic towards Dion,
right because he talked to talk. Now he's got to
walk the walk. This is us taking a snapshot going like, yeah,
it's a little hard in your thought. And the thing
about it is you could sit there and go It
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should be easier now than it was when Bob Stubs
took over to Oklahoma in his second year he won
a national title. It should be easier now than when
than when Urban Meyer takes over it making making sure
that he has uh, you know, it only took him
two years for mare Torontoho State. Do you know why
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it's harder because what they're trying to do in the portal,
everybody's doing. You're not zigging. When they zag, you're zagging.
When everybody zagging, I think, oh, hey, you know what
we're gonna do. We're gonna go in the portal and
we're gonna Yeah. That's they're all doing it. They're all
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doing it. It would be unheard of for Ohio State
to have a transfer starting quarterback, but they have. LSU
had a quarterback, had the best career, the best season
they've ever had. He was a transfer. They're all doing it.
It's way harder because at the end of the day, yeah,
you're Deon Sanders. And what Dion Sanders does is he
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appeals in many ways to people like me, people like you,
to parents, to coaches, but to kids. Kids want to play,
kids want to win, kids want to get paid, kids
want to compete, and they want to and oh yeah,
by the way, it's hard to recruit. It's hard to
recruit when you're recruiting against. When people recruit against Daddy Ball,
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you know whether it's real or imagine. People know that
he's coached his son every year of football. He does
he want to coach him next year? Will he even
be there? It sets you back in the portal. It
also sets you back when you're trying to recruit an
offensive line and coaches gets said, they go, look if
you if his son screws up, it's going to be
(10:34):
your fault. Same thing with the defense. So this is
not me excusing the fact that Colorado is not nearly
as good as the pomp and circumstance and the bravado
would lead you to believe. But if we all think
Lincoln Riley knows what that always doing, which I do,
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I think he's a big time and year two was
harder for him and the portal's been just a hard
way to live even at USC. Do we have any
idea what this is going to look like at Colorado?
You know, a coach prime and Colorado held on for
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the win last night, But what does that mean for
the Buffs in year two? And now they're in the
Big twelve? Plus they got Nebraska coming up. We'll ask
the old p Well, ask Petros Papadakis, he joins us.
Plus the little USC talk why not that's next in
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Doug Gottliebin for Colin is the Herd Fox sports radio,
iHeartRadio app. You know it's funny. There's when you take
over a job, right, Like dream scenario is you take
over a job and the coach leaves you like five
six seniors. You know, a well oiled machine hands it over.
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Those kids are super united. All they want to do
is be coached by somebody else and listen with It
just never works that way. It never works that way
because when you take over a program, you may take
you may get it because a coach elevated to a
better job. When he elevates to a better job, he
(12:24):
takes the best players with him. Or a lot of
those kids that are high level kids, they came to
play for him. They're gonna leave anyway, right, So if
the program's not uh doesn't have good enough talent, well
then you got to bring it all new players. And
if it's not well coached enough, well then you got
to kind of coach them up. But the new play
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the older players are going to struggle with their loyalty,
as are your coaches to their old to the old players.
So you bring it all new guys, and every guy
you bring in they got an issue. That's why they left.
Elsewhere More on that with Petros popadecas. He joins in
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I took over a program that two years ago won
four games. Wasn't great and there wasn't anything two years
ago that you're like, oh, we just take this one thing,
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we can be really good about it. Now, they got
to be gotta be better academically, gotta be better athletically,
got to be better in skill development, got to be
better overall player size of players, skill set across the board.
Last year, a guy named sun Dance Wicks was now
the head coach at Wyoming was the coacher. He did
a very good job. So now I'm replacing a guy
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that won eighteen games. It's two biggest portal players. He
took with them. The best player on the team left
and is at TCU now. And yet you know that
it's a hard building to live up to. You gotta
do it. My point is, it takes time, and if
you're going to try and do it quick and compete
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right away. You run the risk of skipping steps and
it sets you back in terms of your timeline for
actually building a really good program. Now, if you're only
going to be somewhere for you know, a year or
two years, then you do the best you can. You
dial it up real quick. It's just like flipping a house.
You paint everything white. You hope nobody opens up a counter,
open up a cabinet, and look at look inside. We
(14:33):
get to Petross in a moment. First, so let's get
to Ryan Music with the News. Oh sorry, I thought
we had Ryan Music with the News, it says, That's
why I asked, Okay, well we'll get Petros. That's fine. Look,
college football is fascinating to me, and it's like, can Texas.
You know, Texas has got a huge one next weekend?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Can text against Michigan? Can Texas stand their own success?
Because as hard as it is to make it, it's
really hard to sustain success. What does Alabama look like
with a new head coach? What does Oklahoma look like
in the SEC We'll see about USC where they are
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in getting that thing back together. What does Michigan look
like fresh off National Championship new coach, and obviously you
have some of these NC infractions. Then Ohio State they
threw a bunch of money at the problem. But I
don't think on anybody's BINGO card for elite quarterbacks, they
may go like, hey, you know Will Howard at Kansas State,
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that's going to be the guy at Ohio State. Petros
Papadekis has covered college football since he finished up at
USC as a star, and of course you also hear
him on PMS, which is afternoons here on five seventy
am in Los Angeles. He is a football savant and
he works for Fox and he joins US now in
the Herd. Biggest takeaway watching CUS North Dakota State last night.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Well, I can't say I wasn't rooting for the Bison,
but I have a lot of respect for North Dakota
State football, as we all do, but they are an
FCS program. A couple of years ago, Doug I did
a North Dakota State at Arizona game and Arizona was
just in the midst of starting their turnaround against the
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Jed against North Dakota State with Jed Fish and there
was kind of a similar trajectory in the game, North
Dakota State had trouble with the perimeter guys, and obviously
they had trouble with Travis Hunter and Shador and it
kind of played out from there. A couple of things
happened here or there. Maybe they win that game, but
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it played out kind of like I thought it would
and be on lists to fight another day without a loss.
And it was about last year around mid October. I
think that we kind of detached from the Colorado story
at least as far as thinking that they were good.
And it's kind of like the combine or that sort
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of stuff with some programs, some players, some people. The
further they get away from the field, the more interest
is generated. But once the game start, the equity just
really isn't there, which is wins and losses. The crazy
thing about Colorado is they create all this equity for
everybody without ever proven that they can win. So we'll
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see how it shakes out of the Rocky Mountain showdown
in the other games. But it was an entertaining game,
no doubt about that. But I had to watch it
on mute.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I'm with you, Yeah, what is the deal do they do?
They bring announcers in and said like, okay, this is
going to be like we've all done games where we
know who's watching and we know to kind of play
to that audience, right, but it takes a step to
the like there's a lot more going on that we're
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talking about. I just it's really interesting on how that
thing is covered.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Yeah, and uh, it's it. Look, it's I started calling
college football games where if you mentioned gambling, you get
fired or at least yelled at, you know what I mean.
So a lot has changed over the years. And again
that's that's I'd never call a game like that guy ever.
So and that's been long before Dion Sanders even thought
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about coaching. So I've never liked the announcer and he
really leaned into it, and I don't like it. But whatever,
you know, I'm a forty seven year old white guy.
No one cares what I say.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I agree, But I think there's a lot more guys
like us that love college football that are watching that
game that were like, what are we what are we
doing here?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
All right?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Clemson? The grand experiment for Clemson is we're not going
to do the portaloybody else is doing the portal We're
not going to do the portal. They're the beautiful woman.
Okay who everybody else is doing botox and like nope,
we're going ell Nottrall. Does it work this year?
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, don't forget air Force and Army and they don't
work the portal either, which is interesting. You know, we
talk about Colorado football all the time and they don't
win games. Air Force wins nine ten games a year
right there in Colorado with no nil, no red shirts,
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no graduates, no transfers, no portal, no anything. Just a
bunch of stocky dudes that like to run the triple option.
It's kind of funny. You know. I'm kind of with
Dabbo when it comes to what he said to that
guy in Spartanburg that called in and he got all
mad at last year and the coaches call in show
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and now he's not going to take calls this year.
If you heard that? What was clubs and Football before
Davos Sweeney made it a kind of pseudo SEC program
that has the nation's attention year and in, year out
and won a bunch of titles and has become relevant.
I mean, what are they?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Uh no, they were they were a man we were
good that one year in the eighties, will do anything
to get it back to be in the eighties, And
and they were. They were. They were a second to
third tier program. Second tier program.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Well, they certainly weren't going to be asked about, you know,
on a national radio show, you know, like they just
they weren't that kind of program. They were they were
regionally popular. They had a great rivalry every year with
South Carolina, and that was kind of that. There was
some really nice details about Clemson football and Pat Conroy's
Prince of Tides, and we went on from there. Davos
(20:49):
Sweeney's made him relevant and it kind of goes into
that world where you know, Lebron has done whatever he
wants because he can and he's proven he can do
whatever he wants. A tani can do whatever he wants.
Let him have his dog out on the field and
pick up the baseball and run around and smile and
dance in the sun. You know, these guys are so relevant,
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they're so huge, They've proven so much and made so
much money for so many people that if they say, hey,
I'm not going to work the portal, no one can
say anything. You know, I think the best college football
teams still, whether or not they have a few transfer
guys or not. The best teams in college football are
the ones that developed together and recruit out of high
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school and that's kind of the base of their greatness.
As we saw what Michigan did last year with Jim Harbaugh.
That wasn't some crazy transfer laden team or a bunch
of five star recruits. They were just people that grew together,
that were well coached, that had a great purpose, and
obviously talented. But they weren't the most talented team in
the country. So I don't know if it works perfectly,
(21:56):
but I don't think it's the worst thing in the
world to try. I think it's a little bit excited
to say we're not going to do this at all,
you know what I mean. But I still think the
way to victory is bringing in your own people and
developing your own people.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Oh, I don't think there's any question. I mean, like, look,
if you look at Purdue last year, right they had
one guy out of the portal. I know it's basketball,
but they did. You mentioned college football, and I think
what we're seeing at SC and we're seeing at Colorado
is the pitfalls of the portal. Right, It just is
because one, there's only so much money you can spend.
(22:32):
It costs more money to go get guys outside of
your outside of your locker room than inside, and you
run out of money. So if you go in SC
you spend a bunch of money in a quarterback and
on a wide receiver, you don't have a defense, right,
Whereas if you build from inside, you can make up
for a lack of talent with cohesion. You can make
players totally understand the system. You can make them playoffs. One.
(22:55):
I think this is the best long term play. My
question is can they Can they get to whether it's
this year with a ridiculously hard schedule or next year
where it actually plays out where there is they're back
to being elite with homegrown players.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Yeah, and you need patients and understanding. And as you know,
any college football or basketball or anything program that works
at any level, as a university president and an AD
and a head coach that all work together. And if
that's not the case, then you don't have cohesion, and
it's hard to have sustained success.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I think about Oklahoma and Bob Stoops and how those
people work together for decades and created a really relevant thing.
So yeah, there's a lack of patients, and these people
feel like, look, I have to bring in as many
ready players as I possibly can, because if we're not
ready and we get beat, I'm the one that's going
to get fired. But I also will say this ring
(23:53):
games nowadays, in the transfer era, when you get some
of these teams, you know, you talk to coaches, especially
early in the season, and they say things like, well,
we got this guy from this place and he's solid,
he's going to be okay. We got this guy from
this place and blah blah blah, and it's kind of
like you plug in and play, but then the game
starts and sometimes you really don't know who that player
(24:14):
is until the bullets are real. And more often than not,
or a couple times, you know, three or four weeks
into the season, that guy that they said that they
got from wherever who was going to be okay, is
not even on the team anymore or not starting anymore.
So it certainly adds just this element of volatility that
I think that we've never seen before a sport might
(24:35):
more like a JC style.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's actually interestingly, people have asked me
about me doing the job. It's like I've coach au basketball.
This is it's not that big a change for me
because I haven't been coaching in it in twenty years.
Guys have been doing it one year for twenty thirty
forty years, and now all of a sudden, you have
this style. It's very very different and very off putting
to them.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
And I can understand that too, because you know, you're
negotiating with people twenty four to seven, and that's that's
not the college sports model that I come from for sure.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
No, No, it's I mean people who truly don't understand,
like we agreed, that's what That's what Gundhy was getting at,
you know, a week and a half ago, it's like,
call me after the season. What do you call from
for now? There's no more money now it's all budget out.
It's I'll pay it out. We're good. You want more,
get more?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
More and more college football programs are hiring, you know,
general manager types, you know, not just to deal with recruiting,
but just to kind of shuffle out the money and
figure out, you know, who's getting won and make sure
they get paid. Because we really are truly in the
Wild West.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Petris Papadigas joined us from AM five seventy. It's the
show's called PMS. Of course, you can watch them on
weekends covering college football games for Fox Sports. You played
at SC. What is the status is SC? Is in
this place where okay, Kayleb Williams is gone. But now
maybe this is more of a of a team. But
is that ensemble cast good enough to compete about the
(26:05):
Big ten?
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Well, let's not forget. You know that Caleb Williams, you know,
with or without the Big ten coming was seven and
seven and his last fourteen starts at SC. So they
had a great performance in a bowl game that Caleb
Williams didn't play in from the guy who's starting named
miller Man. And there is a school of thought where
people say Lincoln Riley is a great offensive mine and
(26:30):
maybe things just got a little too loose with all
the improvisational play year and in a year out from
Caleb Williams in your offense doesn't really create an identity.
Your identity is my god, let's hope this guy runs
around when the play breaks down and save us from ourselves.
And after a while, you know, it's like going to
(26:50):
the bars when you're twenty. Year one is great. Your two,
you know, year three he starts to get a little threadbare,
So I would I'm I'm looking forward to seeing Lincoln
Riley call plays on time, you know, kind of like
he did with guys like Baker Mayfield a little bit more,
and structure the offense with a quarterback who's going to
kind of do what he says. Not that Kayla Williams
(27:12):
wasn't spectacular, but I don't think it helped the overall
identity of the team. What us he needs to do
is what Michigan did or anybody else who has success
or whenever us he has had success. This is recruit
up front and develop and be great there. I don't
know if they've done that, but they've certainly shored up
their defensive staff. They made Lincoln Riley fire everybody, and
(27:34):
he hired three really good defensive coaches. Doun Belk from Houston,
who I like a lot, Matt Ends, who was the
head coach at North Dakota State last year his team
just played last night's just coaching linebackers. And then Deanton Lynn,
who was a great defensive coordinator for the country's best
defense last year at UCLA has come over to SC
so we'll see how that changes their identity. I don't
(27:56):
think they're going to get blown off the field by Lsuls.
He's been get enough thousands of rushing yards in the
Brian Kelly era, so I think it'll be a good
competitive game. But I think the physical advantages in the
identity advantages is with the Tigers.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I would I would agree with you, p you the best.
Where are you at this weekend?
Speaker 4 (28:15):
I got Wyoming Arizona State. Interesting to see how Arizona
State will turn around after a bad year last year.
And Wyoming is a great, solid football program. I always
love watching that.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, they it's it's at sun It's at sun Devil Stadium.
That's always oh yeah, one.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Hundred and six degrees seven o'clock kick.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, all right, well, I can't wait to see it.
You're always great in the call. Phoenix is not about
one easy, easy flight to get to and not a
great not a bad place to get a beverage after
after the game. Appreciate you, Junie.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
You're doing great. You make what your your social media
makes Wisconsin look like paradise.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Wisconsin is paradise in the summer. We just we'll just
we'll just have a lot of inside clips when we
get to the winter. Man looking forward to talk too soon.
That's Petros Papadakis Jonas here on the Doug in the
heard Doug Gottliebin for Colin. Let's get you to Ryan
Music with the news.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
No, no, no, this is the Herd line news A man,
it doesn't get much better than having the Old p
and the Herd on a Friday.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Get I'm gonna say this because he's hung up and
he's not listening. I don't I like a lot of
people who call games. I'm friends with a ton of people.
I struggle to be friends with people who I don't
think are good at their job. This is like a
personal thing, you know, like if you're bad at whatever
job you are, I have just we're probably not friends.
(29:41):
I don't know, man, And maybe people if I'm bad
at this job, maybe people's not being my friend as well.
But I don't think Petros and I have like we
haven't hung out socially ever. I just think he's great
at calling games. Yeah, I think he's really really good.
I think he totally gets all the nuances of it.
Unless he does the work. He loves the sport, he
(30:02):
loves high school football.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
He's really good, one hundred percent, always a big fan
of a game when you know Petros Papadakus is on
the call. So thanks to p for coming into the herd.
All right, let's turn our attention from college to the NFL.
Here the Eagles and Jalen Hurts looking to turn things
around after last year's late season collapse. They're also going
to have to do that without their six time All
(30:24):
Pro center Jason Kelce, who has of course retired. Hertz
admits he had to take a back seat to Kelsey
when it came to certain elements of the offense. Here
he is talking about it on WIP and Philadelphia.
Speaker 7 (30:36):
You know, I think in the end, I think when
you look at this upcoming season and what you may
have seen from the years past is just different autonomy
in different places. You know, we had a great player here,
Jason Kelsey, who took on a lot of responsibility and
results of that, I was told not to worry about
a lot of things, my eagerness to learn and not
let it over the years, you know, kindel was halted
(30:56):
because of who we had, but not times are different,
and I'm excited for that journey.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
So basically talking about how you know, obviously having an
all time great at center, help facilitate call the protections,
call out some of the defensive signals there, helped him
early on in his career. And you know, I don't
hold that against him, right, I mean, that's when you're
a young quarterback and you have that at your disposal.
I mean, leaning into that and allowing him to run
(31:24):
the offense in that sense is the smart thing to do. Now,
what I think is interesting is when you look at
Jalen Hurts in his career, started at Alabama, then went
to Oklahoma, worked with worked with Lincoln Riley, who, as
you pointed out earlier, is just brilliant offensive head coach.
Then he gets Shane Steichen and now you know things
(31:47):
were rough last year and you know they bring in
Kellen Moore. There's just a lot of things for them
to figure out to try and get back into a
true contender in the NFC and not that sort of mess,
if you will, at the end of last season.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I agree, I'm interested to see what it looks like.
You know, you know, you think you know, But now
when everything is different. Let's check it out. Yeah, what
else you got?
Speaker 4 (32:15):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:16):
So not Jason Kelcey, but Travis Kelcey, of course everybody
knows his long not long, but his very public relationship
with Taylor Swift. Well with that comes Taylor Swift as
a Chiefs fan. Patrick Mahomes talking about Taylor Swift and
her impact on Chiefs fans, saying, you know, I love
(32:37):
having her attend the games as a girl.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Dad.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I love seeing what he's doing to bring more girls
into the sport of football. And I think it's been
special because she's the most famous person in the world.
She's super genuine and she's really interested in football. She
asks a lot of great questions and she's even started
drawing up plays. We might have to put one in,
so I guess keep an eye out on the Chiefs
offense this season. Maybe Andy Reid's gonna put in a
(33:03):
Taylor Swift drawn up play.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Come on, oh what you just come on?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
You're not buying that.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
How did you keep a straight face reading that story?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
It was tough. It was tough.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Like there is there is about the same percentage chance
of like you know, like the little kid that goes
like Travis, will you run that play for me? Like, okay,
this is he's not a Make a Wish kid, she's
his girlfriend.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
No, no, listen, Okay, so let's look at their schedule.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
They're not they're not They're not running it. She's not
drawing up a play.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
Week eighteen against the Broncos. They've already locked up the
number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well, he shouldn't be playing, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
It doesn't have to be Patrick Mahomes throwing a pass
to Travis Kelcey and they call it the Taylor Swift play.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
But I think she was She thinks she's gonna drove
a play where Travis is the decoy.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Maybe you don't know what kind of chops she's got.
Does anybody know if Swift's just a secretly great Madden player?
You don't know for sure.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
See this is the difference. This is this is a
real conversation we had. Okay, I had a conversation with
Ali La Force, who we used to do a show
together CBS, and she's obviously does sideline for TNT and
NBA TV, and she's she's wonderful, right, great, And she's
a former college Hooper. She played at ohiou as well,
but we started talking about, like, what did you do
when you're a kid. You're like, well, she said, what
(34:25):
do you mean. I was like, well, when you weren't
playing sports as a kid, what would you do? And
she's like, I don't know that hung out my friends.
It's like, did you play dolls? She was like, probably
when I was little, I played dolls. It's like, did
you play Maden?
Speaker 5 (34:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Did you play NBA jam No? Right? Did you collect
baseball cards?
Speaker 5 (34:42):
No?
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Like these are all and like now they all play
fantasy football as well. These are the differentiators toeing guys
and you know, women and men. Even as somebody who's
a hardcore hooper, she loves hoop knows hoop as well.
But she didn't play Madden. She didn't grow up playing
Techmobile or Double Dribble now that stuff.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
Wow, you're just a dream crusher.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Doug, dream crusher, dream crusher. That's Ryan music with the news.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
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All right, Dad, best for last? Kid knows.
Speaker 5 (36:55):
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Here's what we got best for last. We'll give you
five college picks for the weekend. Five college fix for
the weekend. And what I'm gonna do is, because the
slate of games is so good and frankly Saturday slate
(37:15):
and Sunday slate gets even deeper, I'm just gonna give
you one for today, one from today. Well, let's start
with TCU taking on Stanford. Of course, a year and
a half ago, tc was the National Championship game. Last
year at this time, they lost a heartbreaker at home
(37:37):
to Colorado to start this season. So Sunny Dyke's is
going to travel to Palo alto take take on Stanford.
Stanford did not win a game at home last year,
oh and seven at home in case you're wondering, and
I know most of you are, Troy Taylor is Stanford's
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head coach. You're like, I have no idea. I did
not know that, Ryan. Did you know if I would
have said Troy Taylor, who's the head to coachev in
the ACC, who would you have picked out Stanford at all?
Speaker 6 (38:08):
That entire sentence has got a lot happening there.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
A lot happened there.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
Uh No, I don't think I would have been able
to correctly pinpoint that.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Now. Of course, Dyke's was in at CAL and Stanford
was four to zero against him. Who's a CAL A
different animal at TCU. Here's the way TCU rolls, like, oh,
we screwed up with the portal last year, not screwing
up this year. I like TCU big. Remember it's not
just that Stanford is not any good or this year
two and they're not really huge portal players. But also
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remember playing at Palo Alto if you don't know anything,
they don't draw well to begin with, and they're not
even in school right now, give me TCU minus eight,
TCU minus eight, there will be a no home field advantage.
Let's get to the Saturday slate. Of games. Miami is
taking on Florida. This is a Miami team that we
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were told, Hey, you go out and you hire a
guy who look what he built at Oregon. He's a
Miami guy. They'll win right away. Last year they did not,
so they too went into the portal and they went
and got a quarterback who was killing it at Washington State,
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more of a runner than a thrower. Taking on Florida
in the swamp. That's a crazy game where Miami is
actually a road favorite. Mario Cristobal, of course. You look
at what he did at Oregon, and he builds from
the inside out. He's an old line guy and he
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builds his lines, and then he went and got cam Ward.
I'm also I'm gonna sit here and go like, yeah,
but Florida is a different animal playing in the swamp.
I think Florida wins two and a half point dog
at home home dogs, govern give me the Gators.
Speaker 7 (40:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
The biggest game of the weekend is also on Saturday.
It is Clemson taking on Georgia. Yes, I know, Notre
Dame Michigan. I'll get to that one as well. Big
thing with this game is that I just eleven and
a half feels like too many points for Georgia over Clemson.
Not because Clemson is as talented as Georgia, but we
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talked about the cohesiveness. I think this is a close
football game, like Georgia win, but Georgia win close, give
me Clemson, but Georgia gets the points. Notre Dame taking
on texts A and M Irish a three point dog
at A and M. I'm gonna take the Irish to
go down and get an upset this one. It's not
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the same problems as Stanford cayle Field. To have one
hundred thousand people in attendants, it'll be ob scene. But
A and M has a tendency, and I know Mike
Elko comes back there. It's his first game as head coach.
How'd you like that? Hey, first game at home opening
with the Irish? Like, oh who? That's a hard one.
But I do think. I think Notre Dame comes in
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and gets a win. Is that crazy? Might be crazy?
They haven't played each other since two thousand and one. Anyway,
I'll take Notre Dame plus the three points. Let's go
to the Sunday games because I give you four picks
so far. Sunday is LSU taking on USC. LSU. Obviously
(41:31):
you're replacing a Heisman Trophy winner at quarterback and USC
replacing Caleb Williams at quarterback. But this game is in Vegas.
Feels like a perfect game for USC to sneak up
and win. And I know that Garrett Newssemeier showed some
signs last year he threw for was it three ninety
(41:56):
five against Wisconsin in the bowl game. Yeah, I like
to in this game sc straight up. So remember of
the dogs that I have, I have SC straight up.
I got Notre Dame straight up, I have Florida home
dog straight up right, and then uh, and then I
(42:22):
have Clemson to cover but not to win, so that's
not a straight up pick to cover but not to win.
And then tonight in the big game of just tonight,
I have TCU, who is a favorite, winning and covering
on the round. Those are the picks that's the best
for last Oh God, I love college football. But I
(42:47):
will tell you as much as yeah, I'm kind of
Jones And for a good tailgate, this is a weekend
where you're like, yeah, I'm not tailgating too many games
on and even if you have one of those really
good tailgating set setups where you can sit and watch
a couple of TVs. It just feels better on the couch.
So whether you're on the couch, you're at the tailgate,
enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you Monday and the
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