May 30, 2024 • 31 mins
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know, before the season, we said the Dodgers batting
order looked like, you know, the greatest thing since the
nineteen seventy five Cincinnati Reds. I just looked it up
before Adam Wainwright comes on. The Dodgers have four of
the top ten averages in the National League, and Mookie
Betts and Otani are at the top. So it has
been at least offensively what people suspect that it would be.
They just swept the Mets. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
Pittsburgh Steelers fun story here with Justin Field. So earlier
this offseason, Pittsburgh running back Jal Warren floated the idea
apparently kicked around the special teams room about Justin Fields
potentially returning kickoffs. Who everybody laughed Fields was asked about
it this week, calling it a joke, saying I think
everybody interpreted it wrong. Coaches just trying to send a
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message it no matter who you are, you could be
on special teams, later adding I'm not here to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, he's not really, He's not going to be a
special team. They're not going to do that. I think
there's sometimes you have to be at least. I know
the NFL is not a players league per se, but
I think there's you know, I think there are certain
times that it almost feels like it would be a
bit humiliating to just bail on his quarterback stuff, Like
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I think you'd just be I think I'm not saying
you owe anybody anything, but I think if I was
the Steelers, I'm not going to reduce him to a
kick return guy.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This says a lot about Jalen in the fact that
he heard that and took it seriously and then feed
it to the media. He made up be the brightest
bulbend that running back route. Anyways, I don't want to
bashing guy, but rough you're ahead for the Steelers, as
everybody knows. Now, let's get to a story where Cowhard
and the world disagrees the La Rams. You think this
team is going to the moon, they're in your Super
(02:18):
Bowl bubble. Well, no, Aaron Donald is not great news
Without Donald, the Rams new defensive coordinator Chris Shula says
the defensive line will have to work together as a collective.
Listen closely.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's always going to be a committee approach, I think there.
You know, it's always going to be as far as.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It's gonna be a little different coming up with the
plans not having Aaron Donald out there, but it's always
going to be a committee approaching, emphasizing gross guy's shuranths
and having those guys rushes you're rush to gard.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
First of all, first round pick, second round picks, two thirds.
It's not like they drafted two third round guys last year,
both Hit Young and Kobe Turner. So it's not like
they left and they weren't prepared. Not only do they
have two guys an end and a defensive tackle ready,
but they drafted two more higher picks this year. So
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it's four players. Really. Two have already proven they're excellent,
only getting better, I think, and Aaron's great, but I've
seen quarterbacks replaced Peyton Manning Andrew Loock. I've seen receivers replaced.
I love Aaron Donald, but they already have two guys
in house who had great rookie years who will get better.
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And they just brought in two higher drafted players who
for the record, played together at Florida State. So as
they say we've got to be a bit more of
a community, they will be.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
How about that stat right there, ram sack leader since
Aaron Donald was drafted, Donald did what one to eleven
and the next guy has twenty nine? Leonard Floyd not
with the team now, Colin, it's been bleak. And your
point about these two guys last year thriving next to
Aaron Donald, okay, where teams are double and triple teaming him.
So now you remove Donald's and I didn't even think
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about this seeing the new DC they're talking. Rockie Morris
has gone. He was an awesome defensive coordator. You lose
your defensive coordinator and your best defensive alignment, best defensive player,
and you don't think there's gonna be massive regression.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
No, they're they're in fact, in fact, they will have
more sacks this year.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Possibly they were.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, the pressure off, that's theoretical. That's a hot take.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
That's a very hot take.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
They the Rams will have more sacks this year than last.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Year, as possible because maybe they have to blitz more
because they're desperate. Sacks are Skyta Facility's dat. But pressure
rate is what the smart gamblers use. Pressure rate. You're
constantly getting the quarterback getting him off as spot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Mess pat good with that in their prime.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, Rams are twenty fifth last year on pressure rate.
This is not they how about it? This is a
hot take. The Rams will be the Dolphins of the NFC,
a high scoring offense that can put up a ton
of points and the defense ain't stop and nobody hot
take strong take week kid, I was okay, all right
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to the NBA. Well, we'll wrap it up with Donovan Mitchell.
You know, we like Donovan Mitchell and he's now extension eligible.
Obviously the Calves will present him with that two hundred
million dollar extension. However, Brian Windhorse, do we know, well,
a good guy, respected reporter is out there now saying
that Mitchell might have more leverage with the Calves than
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Lebron has with the Lakers. Now, I don't know if
that's a dig at clutch. Lebron obviously has only a
couple years left with the Lakers. But if Lebron wants
a lot of things, I don't know that he's gonna
get it. Donovan Mitchell right now is step to get
whatever the hell he wants in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, he's a very good player.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
And you can't lose him on the heels of losing
Lebron and they'd lost Kyrie back in the day.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then he's a good guy. You know, Donovan's a
good guy. People like it, but there is pressure.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like you know, cowvert, if Fox came to you and said, hey, Colin,
we got a couple of shows. We've got a couple
of many shows. Can you take a look at us
your thoughts? What do you think about these shows? For
Big Fox? Like, that's a lot of pressure on you
green lighting a show right that will never happen, I know.
But Cavs go to Donovan Mitchell and say, hey, what
do you think about this coach?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We want it? Do you want him?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, how could happen hockey? In basketball, coaches are all
bounce around the league guys like three exceptions four. I'm
a big believer in this GM GM coaches should coach,
players should play, an owner should own it says do
your job, like I don't. I could give you ten examples.
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Belichick's the latest where a genuinely brilliant coach wades into
personnel and can't put the time in all the receptions.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Tom Brady going to Tampa saying hey, I want.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Him to Tom was different. Tampa knew they needed to
right tackle, and so they drafted one, and Tom said, listen,
I kind of need a security blanket. Everything's new here.
He couldn't even find this house. Remember he walked into
the wrong Can I get Gronk and give me another back?
Lenny Fournette? Like, that's different than saying, hey, I got
a college kid at Clemson, this receiver, I really like.
It's different saying hey, like I didn't have a problem
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necessarily with Aaron saying can I bring Alan Lazard over?
I wouldn't have paid him what they paid him, But
I get saying like, listen, he's probably a three, but
he's my three. I get that. But I don't want
you know, telling me who to draft and who to
hire as a coach. I don't like that at all.
I'm just not a fan of that, and it's not
it's nothing against athletes, but I mean, just think about
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just the other day, at four forty five in the morning,
a Midwest NFLGM called me to chat for fifty the morning,
Well for me, for him, it was six forty He
was driving to work, and I'm thinking in I'm thinking
as we discussed this, we were discussing things that like,
he's he's getting to work at six forty five. It's May,
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So that's a that's a general manager in May.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Most people go to work in the NFL at seven
thirty eight May. He's gonna get the work at six
point fifty in the morning when he pulls in. So
it's like, you can't be a GM and a coach.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean, I do think there is a world where
you bounce stuff off of people, but then that's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Different well bouncing. Hey, just if I if I run
the Jets and I say, Aaron, we got two right tackles,
call your buddy David Bocdari. Who does David like these
two right tackles or going to you know, or going
to a right If I had Andrew Whitworth the left
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tackle for the Rams and they've used him for this. Andrew,
I mean Andrew Whitworth. The McVay literally paid him to
keep him around. They wanted his opinion as they were
rebuilding me a line. That's different. You don't have any loyalties.
You're retired Andrew Whitworth. That I get, But you gotta
be careful to be a quarterback a coach at GM.
(09:00):
That is an eighteen that's that in season. That's an
eighteen hour job.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So to your point, one of the great Michael Jordan
stories was he loved Doug Collins in the eighties. That
was his guy. You know what, because drug Collins let
Michael Jordan do whatever the hell he wanted. Mike, you
want to go score sixty, go for it, Mike, your
show everything. And the Bulls front office knew they're not
getting anywhere with that, so they promote Phil Jackson, who
then instilled structure, and there was some pushback from Jordan. Initially,
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Jordan didn't like this triangle. It come on, I'm not
getting my buckets, and they, you know, obviously they had
to change a little bit, but I guess ultimately I'm
with you, Like it's a tough call for Donovan Mitchell
to sit there and say, yeah, that's who I want
as my head coach. Okay, let's bring him in in
a year. Mitchell should be like, and it's not working.
I'm out trading, Like that's what these stars do. Power?
What do they say? What's a power corrupts? Is that
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what the quote is from Superman? Remember something like that
Superman two great series.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's why you don't want too much power. You want
to have the ability to say I don't know, you want.
Deniability is a very good thing to have in your pocket.
I have no idea why this happened. So ye, I mean,
by the way, that's what Lebron's done.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, Lebron's gonna do that with jaj Ready gets hired.
I had no idea. I got him on my podcast
and I guess they like what they heard.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
The We had Greg Olsen on earlier today. Greg's done
such a great job for Fox. He now has a
tight end university. Greg was one of those guys when
he was playing, I would bring him on. Uh, could
be the old place, could be Fox. I just brought
him on for years, and I remember telling execs here,
just sign him. Figure it out later, just sign him.
(10:50):
We asked him about the Jets and I told him,
I said, I am worried because old lineman don't play
in the preseason, especially better than alignment. And the Jets
have a bunch of new offensive linemen. They have a
rookie out of Penn State. It's a position a forty
year old quarterback have an achilles surgery should be concerned
about in the first six or seven weeks of the year.
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It's a cohesion unit. They won't practice together much, and
Greg Olsen talked about that.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
The reality is you're only going to go as far
as those guys.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
We spend so much time, understandably so, talking about quarterbacks
and skill positions and the ability to score points, and
systems and offensive coordinators and yes, it's an offensive driven
league and all that. You can only do from a system.
From what you ask of your quarterback to what you
ask of your skill group. You can only do what
your offensive line allows you to do. If your offensive
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line is not a drop back protecting group.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
They're not really good five on five.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
They're not going to build the pocket. Be firm in
the middle, two big tackles that can keep the width
and the debt. You've got to be an under center,
play action team. If you're a very road grading physical
be not over the athletic, but more of like a downhill.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Linear offensive line, especially.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
At the guards posit guard positions, you've got to be
downhill run game. You're not gonna do a lot of
wide zones. You're not gonna do a lot of penn
and pulls where you're asking your offensive lineman to get
out in space. So every offense really takes on the
identity of their quarterback, yes, but after that it takes on.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
The identity of their offensive line.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
You can do or not do whatever they're good at
or they struggle at. Like that's the job of an
offensive coordinator. And that's the part I don't think people
spend enough time talking about. You're gonna see teams continue
to invest in offensive lines, continue to spend.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Money in free agency draft picks.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Like if you don't have seven offensive line at the
least six, you know that six guy that can kind
of swing and play everywhere.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
You're gonna have to put out a lot of fires.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You're gonna have to really rely on the movement of
your quarterback buying time. And we saw it last year
with Mahomes. Is that o line settled in and had
their issues in the middle of the season. Is that
what you want Rodger to be like? Is he going
to run around and do all that? I'm not sure
at the age the injury. So it's you're one hundred
percent right. The offensive line sets the tone for your identity,
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and I think the Jets realize that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You know, it's interesting. I really think bo Nicks was
perfect for Sean Payton. I love Michael Pennix. I think
Jaden Daniels is underrated. Caleb's terrific. I worry about Drake
May for a lot of reasons. Footwork, inconsistent, no weapons.
But my take is is that because quarterbacks now come in,
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it's a cottage industry. It's actually beyond that. It's an industry.
Quarterback play high school seven on sevens. People make livings
now dealing with high school quarterbacks. These kids come out
with ten thousand snaps. Is that I used to believe
you got three years? I don't. I believe by your
second Thanksgiving, people in the building have made a decision.
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They're not going public with it, but they've made a decision.
And I just think that's fair. I think these kids,
I mean, God Nicks has sixty one college starts. If
I can't figure it out, but the second Thanksgiving, I
should fire my scout to my personnel people. When you
were in Carolina in camp, how long does it take
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for you to go yeah that works? How many staffs?
How many practices did you drive home? Tell your wife, yeah,
we got a guy like that. That that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So obviously the quarterback position is the one.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You know, I think back to my first year in Carolina,
we had just we had no offseason. That was the
lockout year of twenty eleven. I got traded there right
at the start of training camp. Cam was drafted a
grant obviously earlier in the off season in April, but
we had no mini camp. We had no you know,
like the guys did some workouts, but there was nothing official,
so really we didn't know and get together as a
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group until you know, end of July, there was quarterback competition.
Jimmy Classon was the incumbent starter in his second year,
was the starter as a rookie of the previous season.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Obviously, we drafted Cam one overall.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
After like three practices, you go back to your dorm
and you're like, he's a rookie.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Obviously he's learning the system. Okay, but this.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Dude is just different and you don't even really know
how to quantify it. It's kind of like one of
those things like you can't explain it, but you know
it when you see it, Like it.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Took like three days to be like, he might make
the wrong read. He's young. You know, every young quarterback
is going to go through their growing pains.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
But there are not many people on the planet that
can do what this guy did.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I don't need two months to figure that out. We
need to Mason offense.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
We need to make the terminology an offense a system
and structure that's not what's good for me, what's good
for our wide receiver, or what's good for Cam Newton.
And how do we get this dude to be the
dominant player that he was in college? How do we
put him in a position to be that dominant player?
Like we learned that pretty quickly here in Carolina, like,
we were only going to go as far as this guy,
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and yeah, he's pretty unique and talented, so we might
as well just do what he's really good at.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
But yeah, I think this notion that it's going to
take two years, I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I think the notion that it takes two years to
find out whether a guy could play or not, not
at the quarterback position, and not when you take him
that high in the draft you're a first round quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I'm with you. I got to know pretty soon.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Am I onto something here or we all looking for
new jobs, because let's be honest, if you miss you
very you very rarely get a chance to get draft
two quarterbacks right.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Every once in a while there's that example.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
But you take a quarterback high, it's usually because you're
stunk or you bet the farm to trade up to
get him. If that guy doesn't work out and you
don't hit the next draft day, the next quarterback day
draft is probably playing for somebody else. That's today's NFL.
You don't have a million years to figure this out.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So brock Bauers went to Vegas the tight end from Georgia.
He went from NAPA Valley Wine Country to the South
and crushed. He's about the best college tight end I've seen.
When you watched him, because I know you watch college football,
Greg a minute left, when you watched him, did you
say Locke guarantee anything that flawed? What did you make
of him?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, I think he would have went even higher. I
know he had a little injury stuff during the pre draft.
Combine the pre draft preparation and the combines and stuff
where I'm not even sure if he ran.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
I think he had like a hamstring or something dealt
with a little injury, you know, last year at Georgia.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
I think if he would have been able to come
out the previous draft, I think you're talking like a
top five to seven pick.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Like, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
He might be the best college tight end production wise,
just the eye test that I've ever really seen.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I mean, his size, his ability to run in the
open field.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I mean he's playing sec football, catching twelve yard dig
routes and out running secondary defenders from LSU Alabama. He's
not beating up on small town guys. Yeah, he's really impressive.
I think they got a steal with him, and I
think the combination of him and the young kid from notre.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
From last year that they drafted.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
They got two young tight ends they can build around
and for a long time out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Good stuff earlier today from Greg Olsen, Jorge Lopez had
to melt down for the Maps. Why cut him? Meltdowns
happened all sports. We'll talk about that with Adam Wainwright
pitching great Saint Louis Cardinals.
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, we were talking about Jorge Lopez earlier, who got
into a debate with a third base umpire, got thrown out,
then had a bit of a meltdown, and I thought,
let's bring in Adam Wainwright Fox Sports eighteen years all
of the Cardinals, which is incredible. I'll get to his
album here in a couple of minutes. So I tend
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to be very lenient on pro athletes in the middle
of a game having a meltdown. I don't want him
touching fans, but this is pro sports. I think being
a reliever, we've had two hundred and fifty blown saves. Adam,
you generally knew when you were pitching, you had the
emotional discipline, you controlled, You knew relievers are different. You
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get inserted mid roller coaster ride into games. It's hard,
and so when Lopez melted down, my takeaway is one
of the hardest things to do in the sport. How
does a guy like you eighteen years in the bigs,
how do you look at that? Would you cut him?
Would you find what do you do with this? What
do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, I mean, first of all, thanks for having me
on the show.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I'm a fan of yours and the show always and
it's risky bringing me into a Mets conversation. Mets fans
typically do not love me. Klein so they may be
flipping the channel here, But I will.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Say that.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
To your point, a relief pitcher, that we they get
brought into the middle of the game and the biggest
spots always I was a relief pitcher for a year.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It is anxiety packed.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
And these guys, you know, usually a relief pitcher is
slamming a red bull or something right there, just to
pump them up right before they go out there.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And then you know, you only have a very short stint.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
When you're out there on the field to get the
job done, and and there's so much writing on that
one performance that you know, if it goes great, then
you see the huge fist bumps, and if it doesn't
go great, you see reactions the other way.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But to your point, when you're out there competing and you're.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Giving it every single thing that you can in a
sport and job that you've been one to do since
you were four years old, you know those not everyone
handles it the same. Not everyone handles it great in
those moments. I certainly had moments where I thought, man,
you know, I totally blew that I did not handle.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That like I should have.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
But I would be willing to bet that there's more
going on in this situation than just throwing the glove
over the net, because that doesn't warrant usually warrant a.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Designated for assignment. So yeah, it could be that could
be others.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
I know it's very hard to play in New York
sometimes for guys who maybe you're not used to it
or made for that situation. It's an incredibly tense situation.
But I bet there's more in that situation than we
know about.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, Adam, it's interesting you didn't have a lot
of meltdowns. And I do think for starting pictures is
one of those positions, like quarterback, that emotional maturity, emotional
discipline is really important. You can't you can give up
a dinger. You can't let that become two. Like you
have to get over stuff really fast, like they say
quarterbacks have to get over interceptions in about ten seconds.
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You got to get over stuff. Umpires. I think if
I was an umpire, I would be very lenient on language.
I'm not playing you are. Some of this could stem
from I mean that umpire is third base umpire on
the mounds that's forty feet. I saw Bryce Harper get
thrown out first inning. I'm like, Bryce is an emotional guy.
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It's easy to bang on umpires, but from the outside,
as a casual I look at it and I think
some of these guys are thin skinned. Do you think
that's an issue? Did you feel sometimes it was an
issue umpires pictures not being lenient, not understanding these high
leverage situations and the stress that's involved in them.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, I do think that. For one, I have to
say umpiring is one of the hardest jobs. I mean,
that is not easy.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
All these bang bang plays and very close calls pitch
nasty slider or sinker that's moving one hundred miles an
hour or ninety min hour slider that's an inch off
the plate.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I mean, you know, that's not an easy situation.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Now, I will say there are certain umpires that everyone
knows have thinner skin than others. There's other umpires that
you can you can yell at till you're blue in
the face, and they're not going to have any reaction
at all. You have to know as a performer, though
you're supposed to know who those guys are. I don't
think everyone does necessarily know those those ins and outs
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of the umpiring world. You know, Mike Maddox used to
tell me all the time, when you go up there
and you go up to bat and you're going to
see the umpire, ask him how's day was, or how's
family's been, or learn something before about the umpire before
the game that you can speak into it. Hey, you know,
I saw so and so happen. I was sorry to
hear about your wife or whatever. And that goes a
long way with them, just kind of humanizing the relationship.
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But I do think that there's a few umpires that
certainly have a little too thin a skin. I do
also know the rules.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Of the game.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
You can almost say whatever you want to an umpire
if you don't make it personal. If a catcher doesn't
turn around and look at the umpire, he can say
almost whatever he wants as long as he doesn't make
it personal. Now, what we don't know is did he
say something personal? And you know, if you say something personal,
it's not professional, and then you're supposed to get wrong.
But if if an umpire just has thin skin and
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maybe throws them out. The sad part about is in
the case of Bryce Harper, you know for a fact,
and I know for a fact that there was a
whole lot of families that have been talking about going
to see Bryce Harper pay right. Their kid wanted to
go see and they talked about it all day at school.
They couldn't wait to go see their favorite Bryce Harper
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play in person. They had never seen him before. And
then he got tossed in the first inning. That's a
sad thing. So it happens sometimes. But umpires are people
at the end of the day, and they have bad
days and good days, and reactions and overreactions, just like
we do.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I have been surprised that Shoho Tani, despite the hovering controversy,
has been a monster. I also think dhing is tough
because you know, you just sit around wait for your
next at bat.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's rough.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
You know, if you struck out, you got you got
fifty minutes to an hour to just sit around. You know,
at least in at least in basketball you got the
ball back in your hands, or in hockey you got
the puck on the stick, you have another pitch. Are
you surprised the move to la pressure DH now sitting
around controversy. Are you surprised how good he's been?
Speaker 9 (25:51):
I'm not surprised at the least. I'm actually annoyed at myself.
I wanted to go out on a limb before the
season started and pick him as my MVP candidate, and
he even though he wasn't gonna pitch going into it.
I almost picked him as my MVP candidate on the
MLB Network, and I didn't because I just didn't. I
didn't believe myself enough to have that call. But here's
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why he's having that kind of success. He's one of
the most talented athletes.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
In the entire world. And going back.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
To his days as a youth athlete where he wrote
out his goals. Have you seen that sheet of paperwork
he wrote out his goals? No, he wrote out his
goals for every year of his career. What it was
going to be like this year, I'm gonna win the
my and we're talking about he was like ten years old.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
This year, I'm gonna win the MVP. This year, I'm
gonna win.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
This will be my first I young, this will be
my first All Star appearance, this will be my second MVP.
He's been preparing himself for this since he was a
little kid, and now when he gets into these big spotlights,
it's exactly where he wants to be. And I'm telling
you right now, I know La is a lot of pressure,
but there's not more pressure than him playing in his
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home country of Japan, when he's the biggest star in
that entire country. That's that to me, is probably even
more pressure. He's he's able to go out and play free.
He's got Mookie Betts and and Freddie Freeman and a
team full of incredible All Star caliber players.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He is thriving because he's unbelievable and he's the most
talented player.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
I remember when he was in when he was in Anaheim,
my friend Dexter Fowler was there.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I said, all right, give me the lowdown on this guy, Dexter.
Dexter said, all right, well, you don't understand. He's the
fastest guy on the team. I said, faster than Trout.
He goes way faster than Trout.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
He goes he has the most power on the team.
I go more than Trout. He goes way more than Trout.
I go o way more.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He goes more than Trout. He said, he has the
best arm I've ever seen. I go more than Trout. No,
I didn't say that, but I said, just like the
best arm you've ever seen. He goes the best arm
I've ever seen. He said.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
He's got everything you can do on a baseball field,
he does it the best I've ever seen. He is
the best base runner. He could be the best outfielder
if you wanted to be. He said, he's the most
talented player he's ever seen. And for Dexter to say that,
I took it seriously. And now we've seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's real.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, Dodger's for the top ten National League hitters. Okay,
we're running out of time. I got a minute. Hey, y'all.
Is a studio album you released in early April. You
worked on this for years. I would imagine how long
did you work on this album?
Speaker 9 (28:25):
We started working on this album in twenty twenty when
it didn't take away from baseball, and you know, I
started writing these songs with my friend Gary Baker. I
guess take it back before that seventeen eighteenenty seventeen or
eighteen twenty seventeen was the first time that I ever
played the guitar and sang in front of Gary Baker,
who's producing the album as co writing on the album also,
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and he wrote a song called I swear, which everybody's
heard in a song called I'm Already There, and six
other number one hits.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think he's got eight number ones.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
And my other co writer, Greg Barnhill, is just an
incredible number one type caliber, all star MVP, you know
in the music.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
World type of player.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
And and you know, I've been riding with these people
and singing with these people for a long time now.
It's incredible blessing. Uh and we've been working on for
a few years. We're proud it's out there.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You can get anywhere you get your music on uh Spotify.
Gary comes to Hey, this is Gary.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Baker, this flower show her somebody wonder man.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
But I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Oh, I appreciate the Hall of Famer right here.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Next time you're on the show, you could do a
little duet for us. How about you do that? Make
some promises right now and stand on him.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Hey, just say when, just say when.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I will.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I appreciate you man, Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We want to have you on again. Great stuff. Adam
Wainwright a legend eighteen years with the Cardinals on Late
Notice this morning stop by. We wanted to talk about it.
He was great, wasn't he? He better, better power, better
speed than Trout. The best arm you've ever seen do
titting like three forty five with all that pressure. That's incredible.
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Now he's got some pretty good bats around him. It's nice.
We got Freddie Rhaman and Mookie Betts around you, Adam Wainwright.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Next time Windwright's playing in Nashville, we should go. I mean,
I was recently in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
It's a fun down nash Vegas. But he's doing the
Phillies Mets game in London on June eighth.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He's a good storyteller. I'm not familiar with his work.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He told me during the break that he I said,
you know, when are you doing this? And he said,
you know when you when you go on Major League Baseball,
he goes, I'm a starting pitcher. You get a lot
of time by yourself. You can be solitary and you know,
get in trouble or close the blinds and not see anybody,
or you can work on stuff. So when I was
a minor league announcer, one of the things that really
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was unsettling to me. We didn't have the internet, cable TV.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Was young.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We certainly didn't have the Netflix, you know, Amazon Prime stuff,
and you could you could drink away your day like
you go only go to the pool so long, and
I remember thinking that thinking, this is this isn't healthy.
I can't, I can't, I can't do it. So I
got into TV and talk radio.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Good decision by you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, you know I wasn't gonna be Joe Buck anyway,
but you know it was you know, Joe Davis, whoever
all these guys are. But I kind of knew. I
kind of knew. And by the way, I guys got
a text, Oh look at this as a Saint Louis
Cardinal fan, just text me. Great interview with Wayne Wright Strong.
I'd love to have them on again.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, it was good. Maybe you could talk about the
cheating astros can.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Just hey, that's over. We had a great baseball segment.
You just threw a match off.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Just let Wayne Wright known his buddy for the Bills.
You know he's run a Bills T shirt. Next time
gotta be a Jet shirt. You see the Bills Mafia
shirt you had on.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I noticed he likes to wear shirts from playoff teams.
Don't see Tomorro
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know, before the season, we said the Dodgers batting
order looked like, you know, the greatest thing since the
nineteen seventy five Cincinnati Reds. I just looked it up
before Adam Wainwright comes on. The Dodgers have four of
the top ten averages in the National League, and Mookie
Betts and Otani are at the top. So it has
been at least offensively what people suspect that it would be.
They just swept the Mets. Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 4 (00:53):
Pittsburgh Steelers fun story here with Justin Field. So earlier
this offseason, Pittsburgh running back Jal Warren floated the idea
apparently kicked around the special teams room about Justin Fields
potentially returning kickoffs. Who everybody laughed Fields was asked about
it this week, calling it a joke, saying I think
everybody interpreted it wrong. Coaches just trying to send a
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message it no matter who you are, you could be
on special teams, later adding I'm not here to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, he's not really, He's not going to be a
special team. They're not going to do that. I think
there's sometimes you have to be at least. I know
the NFL is not a players league per se, but
I think there's you know, I think there are certain
times that it almost feels like it would be a
bit humiliating to just bail on his quarterback stuff, Like
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I think you'd just be I think I'm not saying
you owe anybody anything, but I think if I was
the Steelers, I'm not going to reduce him to a
kick return guy.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
This says a lot about Jalen in the fact that
he heard that and took it seriously and then feed
it to the media. He made up be the brightest
bulbend that running back route. Anyways, I don't want to
bashing guy, but rough you're ahead for the Steelers, as
everybody knows. Now, let's get to a story where Cowhard
and the world disagrees the La Rams. You think this
team is going to the moon, they're in your Super
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Bowl bubble. Well, no, Aaron Donald is not great news
Without Donald, the Rams new defensive coordinator Chris Shula says
the defensive line will have to work together as a collective.
Listen closely.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
It's always going to be a committee approach, I think there.
You know, it's always going to be as far as.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
It's gonna be a little different coming up with the
plans not having Aaron Donald out there, but it's always
going to be a committee approaching, emphasizing gross guy's shuranths
and having those guys rushes you're rush to gard.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
First of all, first round pick, second round picks, two thirds.
It's not like they drafted two third round guys last year,
both Hit Young and Kobe Turner. So it's not like
they left and they weren't prepared. Not only do they
have two guys an end and a defensive tackle ready,
but they drafted two more higher picks this year. So
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it's four players. Really. Two have already proven they're excellent,
only getting better, I think, and Aaron's great, but I've
seen quarterbacks replaced Peyton Manning Andrew Loock. I've seen receivers replaced.
I love Aaron Donald, but they already have two guys
in house who had great rookie years who will get better.
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And they just brought in two higher drafted players who
for the record, played together at Florida State. So as
they say we've got to be a bit more of
a community, they will be.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
How about that stat right there, ram sack leader since
Aaron Donald was drafted, Donald did what one to eleven
and the next guy has twenty nine? Leonard Floyd not
with the team now, Colin, it's been bleak. And your
point about these two guys last year thriving next to
Aaron Donald, okay, where teams are double and triple teaming him.
So now you remove Donald's and I didn't even think
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about this seeing the new DC they're talking. Rockie Morris
has gone. He was an awesome defensive coordator. You lose
your defensive coordinator and your best defensive alignment, best defensive player,
and you don't think there's gonna be massive regression.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
No, they're they're in fact, in fact, they will have
more sacks this year.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Possibly they were.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, the pressure off, that's theoretical. That's a hot take.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
That's a very hot take.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
They the Rams will have more sacks this year than last.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Year, as possible because maybe they have to blitz more
because they're desperate. Sacks are Skyta Facility's dat. But pressure
rate is what the smart gamblers use. Pressure rate. You're
constantly getting the quarterback getting him off as spot.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Mess pat good with that in their prime.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, Rams are twenty fifth last year on pressure rate.
This is not they how about it? This is a
hot take. The Rams will be the Dolphins of the NFC,
a high scoring offense that can put up a ton
of points and the defense ain't stop and nobody hot
take strong take week kid, I was okay, all right
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to the NBA. Well, we'll wrap it up with Donovan Mitchell.
You know, we like Donovan Mitchell and he's now extension eligible.
Obviously the Calves will present him with that two hundred
million dollar extension. However, Brian Windhorse, do we know, well,
a good guy, respected reporter is out there now saying
that Mitchell might have more leverage with the Calves than
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Lebron has with the Lakers. Now, I don't know if
that's a dig at clutch. Lebron obviously has only a
couple years left with the Lakers. But if Lebron wants
a lot of things, I don't know that he's gonna
get it. Donovan Mitchell right now is step to get
whatever the hell he wants in Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Well, he's a very good player.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
And you can't lose him on the heels of losing
Lebron and they'd lost Kyrie back in the day.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And then he's a good guy. You know, Donovan's a
good guy. People like it, but there is pressure.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Like you know, cowvert, if Fox came to you and said, hey, Colin,
we got a couple of shows. We've got a couple
of many shows. Can you take a look at us
your thoughts? What do you think about these shows? For
Big Fox? Like, that's a lot of pressure on you
green lighting a show right that will never happen, I know.
But Cavs go to Donovan Mitchell and say, hey, what
do you think about this coach?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
We want it? Do you want him?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Yes or no?
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well, how could happen hockey? In basketball, coaches are all
bounce around the league guys like three exceptions four. I'm
a big believer in this GM GM coaches should coach,
players should play, an owner should own it says do
your job, like I don't. I could give you ten examples.
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Belichick's the latest where a genuinely brilliant coach wades into
personnel and can't put the time in all the receptions.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Tom Brady going to Tampa saying hey, I want.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Him to Tom was different. Tampa knew they needed to
right tackle, and so they drafted one, and Tom said, listen,
I kind of need a security blanket. Everything's new here.
He couldn't even find this house. Remember he walked into
the wrong Can I get Gronk and give me another back?
Lenny Fournette? Like, that's different than saying, hey, I got
a college kid at Clemson, this receiver, I really like.
It's different saying hey, like I didn't have a problem
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necessarily with Aaron saying can I bring Alan Lazard over?
I wouldn't have paid him what they paid him, But
I get saying like, listen, he's probably a three, but
he's my three. I get that. But I don't want
you know, telling me who to draft and who to
hire as a coach. I don't like that at all.
I'm just not a fan of that, and it's not
it's nothing against athletes, but I mean, just think about
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just the other day, at four forty five in the morning,
a Midwest NFLGM called me to chat for fifty the morning,
Well for me, for him, it was six forty He
was driving to work, and I'm thinking in I'm thinking
as we discussed this, we were discussing things that like,
he's he's getting to work at six forty five. It's May,
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So that's a that's a general manager in May.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Most people go to work in the NFL at seven
thirty eight May. He's gonna get the work at six
point fifty in the morning when he pulls in. So
it's like, you can't be a GM and a coach.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean, I do think there is a world where
you bounce stuff off of people, but then that's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Different well bouncing. Hey, just if I if I run
the Jets and I say, Aaron, we got two right tackles,
call your buddy David Bocdari. Who does David like these
two right tackles or going to you know, or going
to a right If I had Andrew Whitworth the left
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tackle for the Rams and they've used him for this. Andrew,
I mean Andrew Whitworth. The McVay literally paid him to
keep him around. They wanted his opinion as they were
rebuilding me a line. That's different. You don't have any loyalties.
You're retired Andrew Whitworth. That I get, But you gotta
be careful to be a quarterback a coach at GM.
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That is an eighteen that's that in season. That's an
eighteen hour job.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
So to your point, one of the great Michael Jordan
stories was he loved Doug Collins in the eighties. That
was his guy. You know what, because drug Collins let
Michael Jordan do whatever the hell he wanted. Mike, you
want to go score sixty, go for it, Mike, your
show everything. And the Bulls front office knew they're not
getting anywhere with that, so they promote Phil Jackson, who
then instilled structure, and there was some pushback from Jordan. Initially,
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Jordan didn't like this triangle. It come on, I'm not
getting my buckets, and they, you know, obviously they had
to change a little bit, but I guess ultimately I'm
with you, Like it's a tough call for Donovan Mitchell
to sit there and say, yeah, that's who I want
as my head coach. Okay, let's bring him in in
a year. Mitchell should be like, and it's not working.
I'm out trading, Like that's what these stars do. Power?
What do they say? What's a power corrupts? Is that
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what the quote is from Superman? Remember something like that
Superman two great series.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's why you don't want too much power. You want
to have the ability to say I don't know, you want.
Deniability is a very good thing to have in your pocket.
I have no idea why this happened. So ye, I mean,
by the way, that's what Lebron's done.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Yeah, Lebron's gonna do that with jaj Ready gets hired.
I had no idea. I got him on my podcast
and I guess they like what they heard.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
J Mack with the News.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
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Speaker 1 (10:28):
The We had Greg Olsen on earlier today. Greg's done
such a great job for Fox. He now has a
tight end university. Greg was one of those guys when
he was playing, I would bring him on. Uh, could
be the old place, could be Fox. I just brought
him on for years, and I remember telling execs here,
just sign him. Figure it out later, just sign him.
(10:50):
We asked him about the Jets and I told him,
I said, I am worried because old lineman don't play
in the preseason, especially better than alignment. And the Jets
have a bunch of new offensive linemen. They have a
rookie out of Penn State. It's a position a forty
year old quarterback have an achilles surgery should be concerned
about in the first six or seven weeks of the year.
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It's a cohesion unit. They won't practice together much, and
Greg Olsen talked about that.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
The reality is you're only going to go as far
as those guys.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
We spend so much time, understandably so, talking about quarterbacks
and skill positions and the ability to score points, and
systems and offensive coordinators and yes, it's an offensive driven
league and all that. You can only do from a system.
From what you ask of your quarterback to what you
ask of your skill group. You can only do what
your offensive line allows you to do. If your offensive
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line is not a drop back protecting group.
Speaker 7 (11:46):
They're not really good five on five.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
They're not going to build the pocket. Be firm in
the middle, two big tackles that can keep the width
and the debt. You've got to be an under center,
play action team. If you're a very road grading physical
be not over the athletic, but more of like a downhill.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Linear offensive line, especially.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
At the guards posit guard positions, you've got to be
downhill run game. You're not gonna do a lot of
wide zones. You're not gonna do a lot of penn
and pulls where you're asking your offensive lineman to get
out in space. So every offense really takes on the
identity of their quarterback, yes, but after that it takes on.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
The identity of their offensive line.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
You can do or not do whatever they're good at
or they struggle at. Like that's the job of an
offensive coordinator. And that's the part I don't think people
spend enough time talking about. You're gonna see teams continue
to invest in offensive lines, continue to spend.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
Money in free agency draft picks.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Like if you don't have seven offensive line at the
least six, you know that six guy that can kind
of swing and play everywhere.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
You're gonna have to put out a lot of fires.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You're gonna have to really rely on the movement of
your quarterback buying time. And we saw it last year
with Mahomes. Is that o line settled in and had
their issues in the middle of the season. Is that
what you want Rodger to be like? Is he going
to run around and do all that? I'm not sure
at the age the injury. So it's you're one hundred
percent right. The offensive line sets the tone for your identity,
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and I think the Jets realize that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
You know, it's interesting. I really think bo Nicks was
perfect for Sean Payton. I love Michael Pennix. I think
Jaden Daniels is underrated. Caleb's terrific. I worry about Drake
May for a lot of reasons. Footwork, inconsistent, no weapons.
But my take is is that because quarterbacks now come in,
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it's a cottage industry. It's actually beyond that. It's an industry.
Quarterback play high school seven on sevens. People make livings
now dealing with high school quarterbacks. These kids come out
with ten thousand snaps. Is that I used to believe
you got three years? I don't. I believe by your
second Thanksgiving, people in the building have made a decision.
(13:53):
They're not going public with it, but they've made a decision.
And I just think that's fair. I think these kids,
I mean, God Nicks has sixty one college starts. If
I can't figure it out, but the second Thanksgiving, I
should fire my scout to my personnel people. When you
were in Carolina in camp, how long does it take
(14:14):
for you to go yeah that works? How many staffs?
How many practices did you drive home? Tell your wife, yeah,
we got a guy like that. That that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
So obviously the quarterback position is the one.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
You know, I think back to my first year in Carolina,
we had just we had no offseason. That was the
lockout year of twenty eleven. I got traded there right
at the start of training camp. Cam was drafted a
grant obviously earlier in the off season in April, but
we had no mini camp. We had no you know,
like the guys did some workouts, but there was nothing official,
so really we didn't know and get together as a
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group until you know, end of July, there was quarterback competition.
Jimmy Classon was the incumbent starter in his second year,
was the starter as a rookie of the previous season.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
Obviously, we drafted Cam one overall.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
After like three practices, you go back to your dorm
and you're like, he's a rookie.
Speaker 7 (15:08):
Obviously he's learning the system. Okay, but this.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Dude is just different and you don't even really know
how to quantify it. It's kind of like one of
those things like you can't explain it, but you know
it when you see it, Like it.
Speaker 7 (15:20):
Took like three days to be like, he might make
the wrong read. He's young. You know, every young quarterback
is going to go through their growing pains.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
But there are not many people on the planet that
can do what this guy did.
Speaker 7 (15:32):
I don't need two months to figure that out. We
need to Mason offense.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
We need to make the terminology an offense a system
and structure that's not what's good for me, what's good
for our wide receiver, or what's good for Cam Newton.
And how do we get this dude to be the
dominant player that he was in college? How do we
put him in a position to be that dominant player?
Like we learned that pretty quickly here in Carolina, like,
we were only going to go as far as this guy,
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and yeah, he's pretty unique and talented, so we might
as well just do what he's really good at.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
But yeah, I think this notion that it's going to
take two years, I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
I think the notion that it takes two years to
find out whether a guy could play or not, not
at the quarterback position, and not when you take him
that high in the draft you're a first round quarterback.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
I'm with you. I got to know pretty soon.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Am I onto something here or we all looking for
new jobs, because let's be honest, if you miss you
very you very rarely get a chance to get draft
two quarterbacks right.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Every once in a while there's that example.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
But you take a quarterback high, it's usually because you're
stunk or you bet the farm to trade up to
get him. If that guy doesn't work out and you
don't hit the next draft day, the next quarterback day
draft is probably playing for somebody else. That's today's NFL.
You don't have a million years to figure this out.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
So brock Bauers went to Vegas the tight end from Georgia.
He went from NAPA Valley Wine Country to the South
and crushed. He's about the best college tight end I've seen.
When you watched him, because I know you watch college football,
Greg a minute left, when you watched him, did you
say Locke guarantee anything that flawed? What did you make
of him?
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, I think he would have went even higher. I
know he had a little injury stuff during the pre draft.
Combine the pre draft preparation and the combines and stuff
where I'm not even sure if he ran.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
I think he had like a hamstring or something dealt
with a little injury, you know, last year at Georgia.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
I think if he would have been able to come
out the previous draft, I think you're talking like a
top five to seven pick.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Like, I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
He might be the best college tight end production wise,
just the eye test that I've ever really seen.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
I mean, his size, his ability to run in the
open field.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I mean he's playing sec football, catching twelve yard dig
routes and out running secondary defenders from LSU Alabama. He's
not beating up on small town guys. Yeah, he's really impressive.
I think they got a steal with him, and I
think the combination of him and the young kid from notre.
Speaker 7 (18:00):
From last year that they drafted.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
They got two young tight ends they can build around
and for a long time out there in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Good stuff earlier today from Greg Olsen, Jorge Lopez had
to melt down for the Maps. Why cut him? Meltdowns
happened all sports. We'll talk about that with Adam Wainwright
pitching great Saint Louis Cardinals.
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Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well, we were talking about Jorge Lopez earlier, who got
into a debate with a third base umpire, got thrown out,
then had a bit of a meltdown, and I thought,
let's bring in Adam Wainwright Fox Sports eighteen years all
of the Cardinals, which is incredible. I'll get to his
album here in a couple of minutes. So I tend
(19:22):
to be very lenient on pro athletes in the middle
of a game having a meltdown. I don't want him
touching fans, but this is pro sports. I think being
a reliever, we've had two hundred and fifty blown saves. Adam,
you generally knew when you were pitching, you had the
emotional discipline, you controlled, You knew relievers are different. You
(19:43):
get inserted mid roller coaster ride into games. It's hard,
and so when Lopez melted down, my takeaway is one
of the hardest things to do in the sport. How
does a guy like you eighteen years in the bigs,
how do you look at that? Would you cut him?
Would you find what do you do with this? What
do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, I mean, first of all, thanks for having me
on the show.
Speaker 9 (20:08):
I'm a fan of yours and the show always and
it's risky bringing me into a Mets conversation. Mets fans
typically do not love me. Klein so they may be
flipping the channel here, But I will.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Say that.
Speaker 9 (20:22):
To your point, a relief pitcher, that we they get
brought into the middle of the game and the biggest
spots always I was a relief pitcher for a year.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It is anxiety packed.
Speaker 9 (20:38):
And these guys, you know, usually a relief pitcher is
slamming a red bull or something right there, just to
pump them up right before they go out there.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
And then you know, you only have a very short stint.
Speaker 9 (20:50):
When you're out there on the field to get the
job done, and and there's so much writing on that
one performance that you know, if it goes great, then
you see the huge fist bumps, and if it doesn't
go great, you see reactions the other way.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
But to your point, when you're out there competing and you're.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
Giving it every single thing that you can in a
sport and job that you've been one to do since
you were four years old, you know those not everyone
handles it the same. Not everyone handles it great in
those moments. I certainly had moments where I thought, man,
you know, I totally blew that I did not handle.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
That like I should have.
Speaker 9 (21:27):
But I would be willing to bet that there's more
going on in this situation than just throwing the glove
over the net, because that doesn't warrant usually warrant a.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Designated for assignment. So yeah, it could be that could
be others.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
I know it's very hard to play in New York
sometimes for guys who maybe you're not used to it
or made for that situation. It's an incredibly tense situation.
But I bet there's more in that situation than we
know about.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
You know, Adam, it's interesting you didn't have a lot
of meltdowns. And I do think for starting pictures is
one of those positions, like quarterback, that emotional maturity, emotional
discipline is really important. You can't you can give up
a dinger. You can't let that become two. Like you
have to get over stuff really fast, like they say
quarterbacks have to get over interceptions in about ten seconds.
(22:17):
You got to get over stuff. Umpires. I think if
I was an umpire, I would be very lenient on language.
I'm not playing you are. Some of this could stem
from I mean that umpire is third base umpire on
the mounds that's forty feet. I saw Bryce Harper get
thrown out first inning. I'm like, Bryce is an emotional guy.
(22:40):
It's easy to bang on umpires, but from the outside,
as a casual I look at it and I think
some of these guys are thin skinned. Do you think
that's an issue? Did you feel sometimes it was an
issue umpires pictures not being lenient, not understanding these high
leverage situations and the stress that's involved in them.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, I do think that. For one, I have to
say umpiring is one of the hardest jobs. I mean,
that is not easy.
Speaker 9 (23:09):
All these bang bang plays and very close calls pitch
nasty slider or sinker that's moving one hundred miles an
hour or ninety min hour slider that's an inch off
the plate.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I mean, you know, that's not an easy situation.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Now, I will say there are certain umpires that everyone
knows have thinner skin than others. There's other umpires that
you can you can yell at till you're blue in
the face, and they're not going to have any reaction
at all. You have to know as a performer, though
you're supposed to know who those guys are. I don't
think everyone does necessarily know those those ins and outs
(23:43):
of the umpiring world. You know, Mike Maddox used to
tell me all the time, when you go up there
and you go up to bat and you're going to
see the umpire, ask him how's day was, or how's
family's been, or learn something before about the umpire before
the game that you can speak into it. Hey, you know,
I saw so and so happen. I was sorry to
hear about your wife or whatever. And that goes a
long way with them, just kind of humanizing the relationship.
(24:04):
But I do think that there's a few umpires that
certainly have a little too thin a skin. I do
also know the rules.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Of the game.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
You can almost say whatever you want to an umpire
if you don't make it personal. If a catcher doesn't
turn around and look at the umpire, he can say
almost whatever he wants as long as he doesn't make
it personal. Now, what we don't know is did he
say something personal? And you know, if you say something personal,
it's not professional, and then you're supposed to get wrong.
But if if an umpire just has thin skin and
(24:35):
maybe throws them out. The sad part about is in
the case of Bryce Harper, you know for a fact,
and I know for a fact that there was a
whole lot of families that have been talking about going
to see Bryce Harper pay right. Their kid wanted to
go see and they talked about it all day at school.
They couldn't wait to go see their favorite Bryce Harper
(24:56):
play in person. They had never seen him before. And
then he got tossed in the first inning. That's a
sad thing. So it happens sometimes. But umpires are people
at the end of the day, and they have bad
days and good days, and reactions and overreactions, just like
we do.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I have been surprised that Shoho Tani, despite the hovering controversy,
has been a monster. I also think dhing is tough
because you know, you just sit around wait for your
next at bat.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's rough.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
You know, if you struck out, you got you got
fifty minutes to an hour to just sit around. You know,
at least in at least in basketball you got the
ball back in your hands, or in hockey you got
the puck on the stick, you have another pitch. Are
you surprised the move to la pressure DH now sitting
around controversy. Are you surprised how good he's been?
Speaker 9 (25:51):
I'm not surprised at the least. I'm actually annoyed at myself.
I wanted to go out on a limb before the
season started and pick him as my MVP candidate, and
he even though he wasn't gonna pitch going into it.
I almost picked him as my MVP candidate on the
MLB Network, and I didn't because I just didn't. I
didn't believe myself enough to have that call. But here's
(26:12):
why he's having that kind of success. He's one of
the most talented athletes.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
In the entire world. And going back.
Speaker 9 (26:19):
To his days as a youth athlete where he wrote
out his goals. Have you seen that sheet of paperwork
he wrote out his goals? No, he wrote out his
goals for every year of his career. What it was
going to be like this year, I'm gonna win the
my and we're talking about he was like ten years old.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
This year, I'm gonna win the MVP. This year, I'm
gonna win.
Speaker 9 (26:38):
This will be my first I young, this will be
my first All Star appearance, this will be my second MVP.
He's been preparing himself for this since he was a
little kid, and now when he gets into these big spotlights,
it's exactly where he wants to be. And I'm telling
you right now, I know La is a lot of pressure,
but there's not more pressure than him playing in his
(27:00):
home country of Japan, when he's the biggest star in
that entire country. That's that to me, is probably even
more pressure. He's he's able to go out and play free.
He's got Mookie Betts and and Freddie Freeman and a
team full of incredible All Star caliber players.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He is thriving because he's unbelievable and he's the most
talented player.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
I remember when he was in when he was in Anaheim,
my friend Dexter Fowler was there.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I said, all right, give me the lowdown on this guy, Dexter.
Dexter said, all right, well, you don't understand. He's the
fastest guy on the team. I said, faster than Trout.
He goes way faster than Trout.
Speaker 9 (27:36):
He goes he has the most power on the team.
I go more than Trout. He goes way more than Trout.
I go o way more.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
He goes more than Trout. He said, he has the
best arm I've ever seen. I go more than Trout. No,
I didn't say that, but I said, just like the
best arm you've ever seen. He goes the best arm
I've ever seen. He said.
Speaker 9 (27:54):
He's got everything you can do on a baseball field,
he does it the best I've ever seen. He is
the best base runner. He could be the best outfielder
if you wanted to be. He said, he's the most
talented player he's ever seen. And for Dexter to say that,
I took it seriously. And now we've seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's real.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, Dodger's for the top ten National League hitters. Okay,
we're running out of time. I got a minute. Hey, y'all.
Is a studio album you released in early April. You
worked on this for years. I would imagine how long
did you work on this album?
Speaker 9 (28:25):
We started working on this album in twenty twenty when
it didn't take away from baseball, and you know, I
started writing these songs with my friend Gary Baker. I
guess take it back before that seventeen eighteenenty seventeen or
eighteen twenty seventeen was the first time that I ever
played the guitar and sang in front of Gary Baker,
who's producing the album as co writing on the album also,
(28:46):
and he wrote a song called I swear, which everybody's
heard in a song called I'm Already There, and six
other number one hits.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I think he's got eight number ones.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
And my other co writer, Greg Barnhill, is just an
incredible number one type caliber, all star MVP, you know
in the music.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
World type of player.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
And and you know, I've been riding with these people
and singing with these people for a long time now.
It's incredible blessing. Uh and we've been working on for
a few years. We're proud it's out there.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
You can get anywhere you get your music on uh Spotify.
Gary comes to Hey, this is Gary.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
Baker, this flower show her somebody wonder man.
Speaker 7 (29:20):
But I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Man.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
Oh, I appreciate the Hall of Famer right here.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Next time you're on the show, you could do a
little duet for us. How about you do that? Make
some promises right now and stand on him.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Hey, just say when, just say when.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I will.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I appreciate you man, Thanks for having us.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
We want to have you on again. Great stuff. Adam
Wainwright a legend eighteen years with the Cardinals on Late
Notice this morning stop by. We wanted to talk about it.
He was great, wasn't he? He better, better power, better
speed than Trout. The best arm you've ever seen do
titting like three forty five with all that pressure. That's incredible.
(29:56):
Now he's got some pretty good bats around him. It's nice.
We got Freddie Rhaman and Mookie Betts around you, Adam Wainwright.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Next time Windwright's playing in Nashville, we should go. I mean,
I was recently in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
It's a fun down nash Vegas. But he's doing the
Phillies Mets game in London on June eighth.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
He's a good storyteller. I'm not familiar with his work.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
But he was.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
He told me during the break that he I said,
you know, when are you doing this? And he said,
you know when you when you go on Major League Baseball,
he goes, I'm a starting pitcher. You get a lot
of time by yourself. You can be solitary and you know,
get in trouble or close the blinds and not see anybody,
or you can work on stuff. So when I was
a minor league announcer, one of the things that really
(30:37):
was unsettling to me. We didn't have the internet, cable TV.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
Was young.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
We certainly didn't have the Netflix, you know, Amazon Prime stuff,
and you could you could drink away your day like
you go only go to the pool so long, and
I remember thinking that thinking, this is this isn't healthy.
I can't, I can't, I can't do it. So I
got into TV and talk radio.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Good decision by you.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Well, you know I wasn't gonna be Joe Buck anyway,
but you know it was you know, Joe Davis, whoever
all these guys are. But I kind of knew. I
kind of knew. And by the way, I guys got
a text, Oh look at this as a Saint Louis
Cardinal fan, just text me. Great interview with Wayne Wright Strong.
I'd love to have them on again.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Yeah, it was good. Maybe you could talk about the
cheating astros can.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Just hey, that's over. We had a great baseball segment.
You just threw a match off.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Just let Wayne Wright known his buddy for the Bills.
You know he's run a Bills T shirt. Next time
gotta be a Jet shirt. You see the Bills Mafia
shirt you had on.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
I noticed he likes to wear shirts from playoff teams.
Don't see Tomorro
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