July 16, 2025 • 28 mins
What should the Steelers do with TJ Watt?
Possible scenarios for Nick Saban this year
Guest: Albert Breer
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
A couple of things bouncing around in the NFL. About
a year.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ago, I kind of suggested if I was the Steelers,
with all the money they have on defense, I'd shop
around TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He's mostly healthy, great lineage, and the family's a great player.
Eric Mangini disagrees with me. But my take is they've
got so much money on defense, if you can get
a couple of second round picks, I'd go for it. Well,
now there are stories that the Steelers are at least,
you know, taking phone calls. Albert Breer joins us Live.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Listen. If you look at the division with.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, obviously Cleveland's going to go, and
then they got two first, they're going for a quarterback
next year, you're kind of unsettled at quarterback. My take is,
there's about I said this yesterday. Albert there's about seven quarterbacks,
there's about eight left tackles, and about five or six
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defensive linemen, mostly young Jalen Carter, Jared Verse, Miles Garrett's
not young that I just I'm not taking a phone
call on I take a phone call on Michael Parsons
because I'm overpaying Deck. So my take is thirty year
old T J. Watt, Yeah, I'm going to take a
phone call. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think it would make sense if they were in
a different spot as a team, But so much of
the idea of just acquiring Aaron Rodgers in the first
place was tied to getting the most out of the
core that they had in place, and they've been competitive
with over the last few years, and it was just
the idea of trading for draft picks would fly in
the face of why you acquired Rogers in the first place,
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you know. So, I think if they were again, if
they had made the decision that say like Miami made
to retool the way that the Miami has this offseason,
or the way San Francisco has retooled this offseason, you
might look at it as an opportunity to get a
lot of capital back and really kind of juice, you know,
a rebuild or a retooling of your roster. But that's
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not the spot Pittsburgh's in right now. And so, you know,
I just look at that roster and I see Jalen
Ramsey and Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers and even dk
metcalf as an older twenty seven year old because he's
on his third contract now and he's been a little
beat up.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Cam Hayward's at the very end of his career.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You just look around there and it's like, well, why
do you have all of those guys in the first
place if you're going to get rid of the best
one of them.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So I think for the spot the Steelers are in
right now, they need TJ. Watt, And I think the
presence of Aaron Rodgers is something that Watt's been waiting
for since the retirement of Ben Rothger. So I think
it's one of those situations where you can see where
if one or the other were in a different spot,
a trade would make sense. This would make sense to
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the point to separate. But I think the two of them,
as it stands right now, need each other too much
not to find a way to get something done.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So why are the Jets They just gave a new
contract to Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. What is the
message the Jets are sending? Why?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now, I get the players, but what's the message.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, both those guys had a really strong spring, you know,
and I think there's a message there that we are
going to reward people who do it the right way.
And I think for Aaron Glenn and for Darren Moosey,
their new general manager coming in there, that's an important thing.
If you buy into the way that we're doing things,
you don't need to be our draft picks, you don't
need to be our signings. And you know, it's interesting
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because I think when Aaron Glenn got to the Lions,
for the most part, they just brought in new guys,
but there were guys that they held on to that
became foundation pieces for him, right Taylor Decker, the left tackle,
Frank Ragnow with somebody that they inherited. And so you
see a bunch of guys that could be that for
the Jets going forward. That's not a roster devoided talent.
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There's the basis of a really good defense. Quentyn Williams,
Jermaine Johnson, you know Quincy Williams, Sauce Gardner. On the
offensive side of the ball, you got Garrett Wilson, you
got Olufashana, you got Oliver att Tucker, you got Bresall.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
These are all.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Guys that the new regime inherited. So if you want
to get those guys on board, you know what you do.
You get through the spring you say, we really believe
in your talent. Now we believe in the person, and
we're going to go and reward you. And I think
Wilson and Sauce are the first two examples of it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Hey there was there are you know, this is the
silly season that you know, little breadcrumbs of information leak out.
And I saw the Nick Saban rumors. Lane Kiffin knows them.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think you'll come back, and I don't think. I
think NFL football is actually easier to coach, as long
as you don't get a crazy owner. And I also
think because of the NIL you can't just fire co
just like you used to. Teams that are going to
boosters they need fifteen to eighteen million for NIL money.
They're not paying sixty two million to get rid of
Brian Kelly. You're seventy million to get rid of Lincoln Riley.
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So there's not going to be any openings at the
best positions. And Ryan Day's not going anywhere, and Dan
Lanning's crushing it and starts doing well in link. There's
nothing Kaylin de bor is going to turn it around
this year. Do you think somebody would take a call
on Saban in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
You mean somebody would make a call on Saban?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Sure, Yeah, I mean I do. I think.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean it's been what I think now eighteen years
since Saban left the Dolphins to go to go to Alabama,
and one thing I've learned in covering the league over
all of that time is no one thought the guy
couldn't coach, Like the idea that the guy couldn't scheme
at an NFL level, couldn't lead at an NFL level
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that way that was had zero to do.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It is why it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It was because of the program, and it was it
was demanding, and the quarterback situation didn't didn't work out
because of the way he had his program set up
back then. It was sort of this old school type
of deal where if you don't win quickly. If you
don't give players results quickly, they're going to tire of
that pretty quickly. And what have we seen Nick do
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over the last.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Seventeen eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
He constantly adapts, you know, Like what a Nick Saban
team was in two thousand and eight and two thousand
and nine was way different than the teams that he
had when Jerry Judy and DeVante.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Smith were running all over the place, you know what
I mean. So he's adaptable, he's a really good football coach.
He's well respected.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think it'd be a little bit like Belichick in
this way, and almost like when Tom Brady was a
free agent, right, it would be a very narrow group
of teams that would be looking at the idea of
hiring him, Like you need to have a quarterback, you
need to live in a need to be in a
part of the country he was comfortable with, and you
would need to have a win now roster. But if
you have those three things in place, I mean, like
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he's around the same age Pete Carroll. So if you're
an owner looking for credibility, it makes sense to hire
Nick Saban, Like if you've lost credibility in your market
and you feel like you've not You've got to find
a way to get it back fast. Hiring Nick Saban
could be a way to do that, and maybe it
would for all the reasons you laid out in the
difference between college and the pros, appeal to Nick to
come to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, I'm gonna throw this at you, Albert, and you
have a sense of history.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So he's the greatest college football coach of all time.
He goes to ESPN for a couple of years and
he's been an absolute home run as an analyst. Got
a little itch and there's he's not going to Jacksonville.
But Bryan Schottenheimer is over his skis, and Jerry Jones says,
I don't I don't want one of these NFL egos.
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I you know what Jerry likes to do. He likes
to hire guys where they feel like they owe him
a little. And Jerry could go to Saban and go, Okay,
this Schottenneimery thing doesn't work. Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts,
I need a guy that knows college personnel. I'm just saying, Dallas,
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I don't think Staman would go to New York. But
if you're talking about guy just just ego, best college
coach ever, absolute five star analyst on TV, he's not challenged.
He's still youthful, sharp as attack the Dallas Cowboys call.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
He's not taking that call.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It makes some sense for sure, you know, and I
guess geographic is not all that far from true where
he put down roots over the last you know, two decades.
I mean, the Giants are always going to be interesting because,
as you know, I'm sure Colin like the Maras were
fascinated with Nick and I think there was a point
in the nineties where they were trying to hire him
from Michigan State, so they've had an interest in him
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going back that far right like, so I think it's
the first one that NFL people always consider, is like
would the Giants do it? Because there was that interest
about twenty years ago. The Cowboys are interesting because they
do have a lot of win now elements, and he
could come in there and and really go into a
place that's set up for a strong coach. And it's
interesting because I think, you know, like the one thing
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about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes, Jerry's involved in football,
but the coach is involved in scouting too, Like the
coach is involved in putting the team together, and that's
always been the way that it's been run there in
that like they've got a really good personnel department.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Will W.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Clay does a great job, but they've always involved the
coach and how the team has put together. I think
it's why they've been able to put some really coherent
rosters over the last twenty years, you know, really going
back to when Parcels was there. The one question for
me is the spotlight factor, right, And I think if
Jerry was going to do this, part of it would
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be are you willing to take a back seat and
move away from the spotlight for a little bit to
see if Nick Saban can come and do it?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But for a lot of different reasons, it does make sense.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So look, I think Schtenheimer is going to do a
better job than most people do. But I mean, I
just think if you if you want to line the
whole thing up and say he needs to go to
a brand name.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You know, he needs to go to one of the
flagship franchises.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The part of the country that it's in, and the
way they're set up I could see Saban working working
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think quite I know this is a wacky topic, Albert,
but I think quietly, Nick Saban thinks he's a better
coach than Belichick. And if Belichick goes to So Belichick
can't win without Brady goes to Carolina, it doesn't go well.
Nick goes to the NFL greatest college coach ever, unbelievable
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media star, and wins in resurrects Dallas. I think Nick
deep down thinks, hell, I would have won in Miami
if the doctor would have said okay with Drew Brees.
And I think Nick is so hyper competitive it sticks
in his crawl. I really do. And I don't think
it's crazy. I don't think it's nuts. There you go,
I'm nuts whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I don't care it like, like, just from an NFL
reporters standpoint, please come Nick.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I would I would.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I would love to have same. I mean, that storyline
would be unbelievable. I don't care what Tev's with, like
the idea of having Nick Saban back in the NFL,
just to see if it would work, because he like
look like I don't think like I remember as a kid,
like looking back at John Wooden, right, and thinking to myself,
like you looked at and I obviously wasn't born when
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Wooden was coaching, but you looked at that track record
of success at UCLA as a basketball coach, said, no
one's ever going to do that again.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And Saban more or less.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Did at Alabama, maybe not quite the number of championship,
but as far as like a run of dominance, Like
I feel like Saban was almost like John Wooden. So
I mean, of course, I think, I like it'd be
fascinating to see what Nick Saban could do if you
got another run at the NFL, and I do I
would say this like I I mean, the players are
thoroughly prepared for the league that come out of that program.
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I mean that was always the thing with him, was
like there were two things about Nick saban program. Nick
Saban players coming out of Alabama. They were beat up
because they played a physical style and practices were tough,
and they were maxed out. And that was actually a
compliment to Saban in saying Nick got everything he possibly
could out of every player. So the NFL people all
had great respect for him. And again it was like
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his failure in Miami. I think he'd be hard pressed
to find a single person in the NFL who would
say he didn't win in Miami because he wasn't a
good enough coach.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, by the way, we just spent eight minutes on
something that may never come to fruition, and I know
I took a detour. I'm fascinated by it because I
think Nick tape Down wants to be mentioned in the
Andy Reid Belichick group. And I like Jim Harball. Oh,
he's a Michigan man. He wanted to these hyper competitive
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guys hardball, even at Michigan the minute he had an
opportunity justin Herbert's available.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That loss to his brother and the Super Bowl stuck
with him like you wouldn't. I mean, it's he was
right there at the mountain top and it's stuck with him.
And the one thing the Michigan job wasn't going to
get him was the chance to make that right. And
I mean I think it in the same sort of
way the picking Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees thing in
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two thousand and six is stuck with Nick Saban. I mean,
you remember column they were I was a promising team
coming out of the seven the five season, a lot
of people thought like, if Dante Culpeper hit and he
was the player that he had been a few years earlier,
that team could have been in the super Bowl. And
obviously it came undone. But yeah, I think Nick probably.
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I think Nick looks at the the decision, the quarterback
decision of two thousand and six, the same way that
Jim Harbaugh looks back at that Super Bowl in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm going to keep this tape.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Let's archive this, guys, because we may we may have
touched on magic potion here.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
All right, by the way, here's my college football national
title bubble. Throw this up for albert I don't know
how good Ohio States quarterback is, but they have the
best defensive player and offensive player. I do a Super
Bowl bubble about once a month. I think Notre Dame
and Bama. I don't know how good the quarterback I
have to work in play we're in.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I think Penn State's gonna
be really good. Oregons, Yeah, that totally makes sense. You
never rule out Georgia with Kirby, those those five seem
like a good five to be in there. I think
Notre Dame. I think Notre Dames can be really good again.
You know, Lloyd Carr's grandson is a quarterback there. I
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think he's going to be a really good player. So
Notre Dame's interesting after the year they had last year.
But I think I'd probably agree with the five eight
inside the bubble, all right, and.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
On the hut, especially the one in the top left
corner there.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That Penn State Ohio State game is gonna be won
for the ages. That is gonna be crazy great. See anybody,
all right?
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Speaker 1 (15:49):
All right, here is Jmac, hopefully with an update on
the Bradley Beal Championship parade.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
With the news, No, no turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Hearing you and Breer Wax philosophic about college football.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Man, I got some good nuggets headlines Friday. Okay, just
stick around. Gonna be a good one for college football.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Let's start here with Ben Johnson colin his plans for
the offense in Detroit. I'm sorry in Chicago dropped and
he let everybody in on a little secret. This is
gonna be I like to fancy it the quarterbacks offense.
Johnson said, We're gonna tailor this right around Caleb Williams.
It will not necessarily be what you've seen from the
last three years. We're gonna find out precisely what one
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what our quarterback does well. And that's what really we're
gonna anchor on. You like this, you love this, It's
tough dot to like.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, you have to figure out if he can play.
So let's just figure out if he can play it.
Like I always say, when you draft a quarterback and
you have the quarterback contract for four years.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Load up the offense if.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You have, don't you don't want to be ambivalent about
it going into your two or three like play. So
to me, this is the way to do this offense
between Ben Johnson, Joe Tooney, Drew Dolman, DJ Moore, Roma Dunze,
the two tight ends. If they can't forget the record,
if they're not a top six or seven offense. I
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watched Jayden Daniels last year with a bad old line
and no run game. If they're not a top six
or seven offense in the league, then you got you
got the wrong guy quarterback. They have to be an
elite offense. They have too many good players.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
So when you hear this, Taylor to the quarterback. So
what he didn't do well last year was a void sacks.
He took seventy nine sacks and giveaways.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Last year, Colin. That's unacceptable for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So my guess is they're gonna do a lot more
three step and get rid of it right, read and react.
We do not want you holding the ball, Caleb. That's
when bad things happen.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Speed it up.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I mean one of the great gifts. Brady had got
rid of the ball. You're never going to gain as
many yards as the people you throw it to, so
get rid of the rock.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Sixty eight secs, eleven giveaways last year from Caleb. That's
just terrible.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Next up, Colin Bummer News Caitlin Clark last night did
not shoot it well and then like on the final
play she had a nice assist she grabbed her groin area.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
It looks like she's not doing great.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
However, people are still curious what's going on with the
three point contest. There are rumors that she's not a rack,
you know, grab the ball of the rack and shoot it.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Here she is addressing all that stuff last night.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Yeah, I guess I don't know how it compares because
I've never done it, but.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I guess.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I mean, I'm shooting off a rack, and I know
there was a narrative going around that I didn't want
to do that at one point, which I'm not sure
who made that up, But that's false because I am
doing it. I was saving my first three point competition
in my own city, So whoever said that was a lie.
But at the end of the day, it's just really
not that deep. Or that serious. So just go out
there and have fun and shoot it. You know, it's
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just the ball hoop and in her act, I guess,
and you know, just have fun doing it.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So the game is in her home town obviously, the
three point contest, Colin, I gotta be honest. After seeing
her win sing last time, my guess is she's not.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Going to play tomorrow against the Liberty. I you know,
she's probably gonna want to give it a go. But Conin,
let's be real. This is a big picture thing.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
If you're telling me that Fever can make the finals
with Caitlin Clark or the semifinals, but she needs more
time off, I think you got to skip the game
this weekend.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
A three point contest, right, I would?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, what what's the win If she wins, people say
she should If she doesn't and struggles she gets and
she's by the way, she's struggling right now with injuries.
She's not getting the push off. She won't with a
groin injury, So I'd skip it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah, And that final story is the Suns and Bradley
Beal parted ways. About an hour ago, somebody sent me
a text that we just had one of the best
segments in show history when you and I went at
it over Bradley Beal going to the paper clips two years,
eleven and a half million dollars. Essentially, he has a
player option for year two. So Bradley Bial's betting on himself. Hey,
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with the Clippers, I'm gonna get shots, I'm gonna get points,
I'm gonna start, and I'm gonna opt out after one year,
and then I'm gonna go chase you know, twenty thirty,
forty million whatever next year.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Obviously, Bradley Bial was better.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Than the public thought. Colin again, his numbers the last
two seasons. Okay, our staff came up with this. Guys
that have averaged fifteen points a game, fifty percent shooting
from the field for from three. Only five guys have
done it in the last two seasons.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Bradley Beil's won of them.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Oh, you can say that garbage all you want, but
he's that He's actually.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Just gonna be deceiving. Stats are deceiving.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
How many people want Carl Anthony towns Sibonis really an
elite player like that? You can make a lot of well,
how many people have not cross locked in a month?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No speeding tickets. They're Mario ANDRETTI.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Let's slow down on cultivating some rando as to make
me think Bradley Beal is Kevin Durant.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Watch Houston in the last two years.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, that's because everybody's on Booker and Kevin Durant and
he's wide open.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Well, everybody's gonna be on Kawhi and Harden and he's
gonna be wide open. Everybody would have been on Luca
and Lebron. I'm just saying I think this is a
huge win. I know he's only a three time All
Star and he's made All NBA.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
I think once is like a third teamer.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
But I think you're way undervaluing deal and even eighth man.
I'm not just saying this because he went to the Lakers,
but at eight million dollars, that is a steal.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Colin you Ego Bear's clocking like, listen, thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I don't care about value. Give me talent. You're you're
into value, and I go when I go to a
grocery store, Listen, they're day old bagels, but they're almost free.
Give me the fresh ones. I don't care about value,
Give me better players.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Comparing food to NBA contracts, now call it.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm not a value guy. I don't care about value.
I want players. I look at Oklahoma City, I look
at Indiana, I look at Dallas. I need more elite
players in their prime that can play eighty two games.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
By the way, isn't this isn't value similar to Hey,
I could sign it with a Florida team and pay
no taxes, or I go to a California team and
pay a ton of taxes.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Isn't that value as well?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Called you know what's not winning NBA championships value contracts.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's not your kitch.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're not getting yo kitch is great and you pay
a lot and SGA and Jay Dubb and Cheded Holging
really good and you're paying max value.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Doesn't I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think it's great that you're getting value with Jalen Brunson.
He's also one of the best small finishers in the
last ten years in the league. I'm much more into
his game than I am his value. You're not going
to get Navidia at value as a stock. I think
you should own it. I don't know if I'm getting
value on it. I just think with AI going forward,
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they're new deal potentially with China, you should own that
stock over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't, You're not going to get any value on it.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Okay, Warren Buffett, thanks for that stock tip.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
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Speaker 1 (23:14):
Austin Reeves had one of the best value contracts in
the NBA. Did you watch him against the t Wolves? Yeah?
How that value thing work out for you? I mean,
get me players, it's hurt.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
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Speaker 1 (23:34):
So one of the annoying traits of J Mack is
that he he overreacts to a good or a marginal player.
So I come in like Rock Purty, he's a good player,
you know the NFL execs, scouts, coaches polled.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's not in the top ten. He's probably closer to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But then I have to come in and sound like
a hater when I really don't hate Rock Purty. But
that's what people think. In my take is I think
he's fine. I think Kyle Shanahan and Chris McCaffrey. You know,
last year when McCaffrey's not around, what was his record?
It wasn't very good. And if it's overcast and Misty
suddenly can't hold onto the ball. So same with Austin Reeves.
(24:11):
I like Austin Reeves. He's undrafted. He's a nice player,
he should be at number four and a great team.
He's not as good as Derek White, who I would
trade Austin Reeves for in like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But Austin Reeves a good player.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But Austin Reeves thinks I hate him because Jamack has
him as like Bill Russell plus Lebron James, like, can
we slow down? He's undrafted and he's just he out
worked against the Tea Wolves. So I don't even know
where this comes from. I always like Bradley Beal. I
for years thought Lebron James should go out and play
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with Bradley Beal. I must have said it a hundred times.
But I take a couple of days off and Jamack
goes on the air and says this with a straight face.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
I think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Lakers get bal to me, they've become right there, one
of the favorites in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't even you know.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I mean, I give you the microphone for three days,
and that's what I get.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I've got to react to that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And so basically j Mac thinks this version of the
Clippers is going to roll through the NBA. In fact,
if you look at the picture, James Harden isn't even
you know, he's distracted looking off into the wilderness because
he's James Harden. He's not even he's not even like
look at him. He's like, I'd rather be somewhere else.
The best player there on a nightly basis is the center.
(25:29):
So all right, Like he had a great I think
he's a really good player. I think Kawhi's an enigma.
I think he's talented, but he could call ty Lu
at four forty five and go.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I've got an ice cream headache. I can't play. So
I don't even know what I get with him.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
All right, So there's a lot here. I wish we
had more time.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
What we just saw in the NBA this past season
is depth and youth are what's winning. In the playoffs,
the Pacers had nine ten guys. Yeah, oh, Casey had
nine ten guys. When you can get Bradley Beal at
five million dollars, you're getting a boy line All Star
on the cheap, and it enables you to get a
better depth on your bench. So the Clippers you didn't
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even see in that lineup, Butdanovitch coming off the bench
that I started for many years. Brook Lopez is going
to be the coming off the bench for them.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
That's a huge get.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Chris Dunn's not terrible Nick Patombs on the French national
team Veterano.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
They're all of a sudden nine or ten deep with
the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know who won the title this year. The starters
for Oklahoma City, not their bench. Bench guys go on
the road and they are they are marginalized and reduced
overnight role players do not deliver in the postseason, especially
on the road.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They're good at home.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Oklahoma City was a different team on the road with
their great bench.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Benches don't win titles.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So what wins Susile Shack, Kobe mj Byrd, Magic duncan
they Lebron They win titles.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
The league has changed just a little and youth and
depth are what rolled in this postseason. The Indiana Pacers
are regretted to they were picking up ninety four feet
because guess what, we got ten guys.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We can go to the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I'm looking at their depth, Jar right now, Coin again,
their bench right now, Gabe Vincent, Jordan Goodwin.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
You wouldn't know him if he delivered a pizza utio.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You think you you think the Lakers are title team.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I if they.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Had gotten Beal, they would have more depth. Jake la
Ravia is like their seventh guy. That's not gonna cut it.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
They need depth in scoring and I don't have that.
You lose Lebron.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Nobody listening to this show can possibly think Beal takes
the Clippers to a different spot. You are literally on
crazy man Island. There's nobody in the world that thinks
except you.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So you know a lot about you and.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I both know some Clippers executives. Okay, they watch this show.
You know, Tylu right now is like doing the happy Dance.
He's probably gonna put it on Instagram. This is such
a steal, ca, How do you not see this?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think Tylu thinks we just got Jessica Bal what's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I got to go to the trade wire.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Well, that's a great Jessica Bill reference. I'm a fan
of her work obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, I mean, the Steelers got value in Russell Wilson
last year.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Value.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't want value in my stocks and in my
NBA stars. I don't want value. I want great See
you tomorrow,
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
A couple of things bouncing around in the NFL. About
a year.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Ago, I kind of suggested if I was the Steelers,
with all the money they have on defense, I'd shop
around TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He's mostly healthy, great lineage, and the family's a great player.
Eric Mangini disagrees with me. But my take is they've
got so much money on defense, if you can get
a couple of second round picks, I'd go for it. Well,
now there are stories that the Steelers are at least,
you know, taking phone calls. Albert Breer joins us Live.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Listen. If you look at the division with.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, obviously Cleveland's going to go, and
then they got two first, they're going for a quarterback
next year, you're kind of unsettled at quarterback. My take is,
there's about I said this yesterday. Albert there's about seven quarterbacks,
there's about eight left tackles, and about five or six
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defensive linemen, mostly young Jalen Carter, Jared Verse, Miles Garrett's
not young that I just I'm not taking a phone
call on I take a phone call on Michael Parsons
because I'm overpaying Deck. So my take is thirty year
old T J. Watt, Yeah, I'm going to take a
phone call. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think it would make sense if they were in
a different spot as a team, But so much of
the idea of just acquiring Aaron Rodgers in the first
place was tied to getting the most out of the
core that they had in place, and they've been competitive
with over the last few years, and it was just
the idea of trading for draft picks would fly in
the face of why you acquired Rogers in the first place,
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you know. So, I think if they were again, if
they had made the decision that say like Miami made
to retool the way that the Miami has this offseason,
or the way San Francisco has retooled this offseason, you
might look at it as an opportunity to get a
lot of capital back and really kind of juice, you know,
a rebuild or a retooling of your roster. But that's
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not the spot Pittsburgh's in right now. And so, you know,
I just look at that roster and I see Jalen
Ramsey and Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers and even dk
metcalf as an older twenty seven year old because he's
on his third contract now and he's been a little
beat up.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Cam Hayward's at the very end of his career.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
You just look around there and it's like, well, why
do you have all of those guys in the first
place if you're going to get rid of the best
one of them.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So I think for the spot the Steelers are in
right now, they need TJ. Watt, And I think the
presence of Aaron Rodgers is something that Watt's been waiting
for since the retirement of Ben Rothger. So I think
it's one of those situations where you can see where
if one or the other were in a different spot,
a trade would make sense. This would make sense to
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the point to separate. But I think the two of them,
as it stands right now, need each other too much
not to find a way to get something done.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
So why are the Jets They just gave a new
contract to Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson. What is the
message the Jets are sending? Why?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Now, I get the players, but what's the message.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well, both those guys had a really strong spring, you know,
and I think there's a message there that we are
going to reward people who do it the right way.
And I think for Aaron Glenn and for Darren Moosey,
their new general manager coming in there, that's an important thing.
If you buy into the way that we're doing things,
you don't need to be our draft picks, you don't
need to be our signings. And you know, it's interesting
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because I think when Aaron Glenn got to the Lions,
for the most part, they just brought in new guys,
but there were guys that they held on to that
became foundation pieces for him, right Taylor Decker, the left tackle,
Frank Ragnow with somebody that they inherited. And so you
see a bunch of guys that could be that for
the Jets going forward. That's not a roster devoided talent.
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There's the basis of a really good defense. Quentyn Williams,
Jermaine Johnson, you know Quincy Williams, Sauce Gardner. On the
offensive side of the ball, you got Garrett Wilson, you
got Olufashana, you got Oliver att Tucker, you got Bresall.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
These are all.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Guys that the new regime inherited. So if you want
to get those guys on board, you know what you do.
You get through the spring you say, we really believe
in your talent. Now we believe in the person, and
we're going to go and reward you. And I think
Wilson and Sauce are the first two examples of it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Hey there was there are you know, this is the
silly season that you know, little breadcrumbs of information leak out.
And I saw the Nick Saban rumors. Lane Kiffin knows them.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
I think you'll come back, and I don't think. I
think NFL football is actually easier to coach, as long
as you don't get a crazy owner. And I also
think because of the NIL you can't just fire co
just like you used to. Teams that are going to
boosters they need fifteen to eighteen million for NIL money.
They're not paying sixty two million to get rid of
Brian Kelly. You're seventy million to get rid of Lincoln Riley.
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So there's not going to be any openings at the
best positions. And Ryan Day's not going anywhere, and Dan
Lanning's crushing it and starts doing well in link. There's
nothing Kaylin de bor is going to turn it around
this year. Do you think somebody would take a call
on Saban in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
You mean somebody would make a call on Saban?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Sure, Yeah, I mean I do. I think.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I mean it's been what I think now eighteen years
since Saban left the Dolphins to go to go to Alabama,
and one thing I've learned in covering the league over
all of that time is no one thought the guy
couldn't coach, Like the idea that the guy couldn't scheme
at an NFL level, couldn't lead at an NFL level
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that way that was had zero to do.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
It is why it didn't work.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It was because of the program, and it was it
was demanding, and the quarterback situation didn't didn't work out
because of the way he had his program set up
back then. It was sort of this old school type
of deal where if you don't win quickly. If you
don't give players results quickly, they're going to tire of
that pretty quickly. And what have we seen Nick do
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over the last.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Seventeen eighteen years.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
He constantly adapts, you know, Like what a Nick Saban
team was in two thousand and eight and two thousand
and nine was way different than the teams that he
had when Jerry Judy and DeVante.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Smith were running all over the place, you know what
I mean. So he's adaptable, he's a really good football coach.
He's well respected.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
I think it'd be a little bit like Belichick in
this way, and almost like when Tom Brady was a
free agent, right, it would be a very narrow group
of teams that would be looking at the idea of
hiring him, Like you need to have a quarterback, you
need to live in a need to be in a
part of the country he was comfortable with, and you
would need to have a win now roster. But if
you have those three things in place, I mean, like
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he's around the same age Pete Carroll. So if you're
an owner looking for credibility, it makes sense to hire
Nick Saban, Like if you've lost credibility in your market
and you feel like you've not You've got to find
a way to get it back fast. Hiring Nick Saban
could be a way to do that, and maybe it
would for all the reasons you laid out in the
difference between college and the pros, appeal to Nick to
come to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Okay, I'm gonna throw this at you, Albert, and you
have a sense of history.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So he's the greatest college football coach of all time.
He goes to ESPN for a couple of years and
he's been an absolute home run as an analyst. Got
a little itch and there's he's not going to Jacksonville.
But Bryan Schottenheimer is over his skis, and Jerry Jones says,
I don't I don't want one of these NFL egos.
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I you know what Jerry likes to do. He likes
to hire guys where they feel like they owe him
a little. And Jerry could go to Saban and go, Okay,
this Schottenneimery thing doesn't work. Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hurts,
I need a guy that knows college personnel. I'm just saying, Dallas,
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I don't think Staman would go to New York. But
if you're talking about guy just just ego, best college
coach ever, absolute five star analyst on TV, he's not challenged.
He's still youthful, sharp as attack the Dallas Cowboys call.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
He's not taking that call.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
It makes some sense for sure, you know, and I
guess geographic is not all that far from true where
he put down roots over the last you know, two decades.
I mean, the Giants are always going to be interesting because,
as you know, I'm sure Colin like the Maras were
fascinated with Nick and I think there was a point
in the nineties where they were trying to hire him
from Michigan State, so they've had an interest in him
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going back that far right like, so I think it's
the first one that NFL people always consider, is like
would the Giants do it? Because there was that interest
about twenty years ago. The Cowboys are interesting because they
do have a lot of win now elements, and he
could come in there and and really go into a
place that's set up for a strong coach. And it's
interesting because I think, you know, like the one thing
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about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes, Jerry's involved in football,
but the coach is involved in scouting too, Like the
coach is involved in putting the team together, and that's
always been the way that it's been run there in
that like they've got a really good personnel department.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Will W.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Clay does a great job, but they've always involved the
coach and how the team has put together. I think
it's why they've been able to put some really coherent
rosters over the last twenty years, you know, really going
back to when Parcels was there. The one question for
me is the spotlight factor, right, And I think if
Jerry was going to do this, part of it would
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be are you willing to take a back seat and
move away from the spotlight for a little bit to
see if Nick Saban can come and do it?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
But for a lot of different reasons, it does make sense.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So look, I think Schtenheimer is going to do a
better job than most people do. But I mean, I
just think if you if you want to line the
whole thing up and say he needs to go to
a brand name.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
You know, he needs to go to one of the
flagship franchises.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
The part of the country that it's in, and the
way they're set up I could see Saban working working
in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I think quite I know this is a wacky topic, Albert,
but I think quietly, Nick Saban thinks he's a better
coach than Belichick. And if Belichick goes to So Belichick
can't win without Brady goes to Carolina, it doesn't go well.
Nick goes to the NFL greatest college coach ever, unbelievable
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media star, and wins in resurrects Dallas. I think Nick
deep down thinks, hell, I would have won in Miami
if the doctor would have said okay with Drew Brees.
And I think Nick is so hyper competitive it sticks
in his crawl. I really do. And I don't think
it's crazy. I don't think it's nuts. There you go,
I'm nuts whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I don't care it like, like, just from an NFL
reporters standpoint, please come Nick.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I would I would.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I would love to have same. I mean, that storyline
would be unbelievable. I don't care what Tev's with, like
the idea of having Nick Saban back in the NFL,
just to see if it would work, because he like
look like I don't think like I remember as a kid,
like looking back at John Wooden, right, and thinking to myself,
like you looked at and I obviously wasn't born when
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Wooden was coaching, but you looked at that track record
of success at UCLA as a basketball coach, said, no
one's ever going to do that again.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And Saban more or less.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Did at Alabama, maybe not quite the number of championship,
but as far as like a run of dominance, Like
I feel like Saban was almost like John Wooden. So
I mean, of course, I think, I like it'd be
fascinating to see what Nick Saban could do if you
got another run at the NFL, and I do I
would say this like I I mean, the players are
thoroughly prepared for the league that come out of that program.
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I mean that was always the thing with him, was
like there were two things about Nick saban program. Nick
Saban players coming out of Alabama. They were beat up
because they played a physical style and practices were tough,
and they were maxed out. And that was actually a
compliment to Saban in saying Nick got everything he possibly
could out of every player. So the NFL people all
had great respect for him. And again it was like
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his failure in Miami. I think he'd be hard pressed
to find a single person in the NFL who would
say he didn't win in Miami because he wasn't a
good enough coach.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, by the way, we just spent eight minutes on
something that may never come to fruition, and I know
I took a detour. I'm fascinated by it because I
think Nick tape Down wants to be mentioned in the
Andy Reid Belichick group. And I like Jim Harball. Oh,
he's a Michigan man. He wanted to these hyper competitive
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guys hardball, even at Michigan the minute he had an
opportunity justin Herbert's available.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That loss to his brother and the Super Bowl stuck
with him like you wouldn't. I mean, it's he was
right there at the mountain top and it's stuck with him.
And the one thing the Michigan job wasn't going to
get him was the chance to make that right. And
I mean I think it in the same sort of
way the picking Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees thing in
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two thousand and six is stuck with Nick Saban. I mean,
you remember column they were I was a promising team
coming out of the seven the five season, a lot
of people thought like, if Dante Culpeper hit and he
was the player that he had been a few years earlier,
that team could have been in the super Bowl. And
obviously it came undone. But yeah, I think Nick probably.
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I think Nick looks at the the decision, the quarterback
decision of two thousand and six, the same way that
Jim Harbaugh looks back at that Super Bowl in twenty twelve.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I'm going to keep this tape.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Let's archive this, guys, because we may we may have
touched on magic potion here.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
All right, by the way, here's my college football national
title bubble. Throw this up for albert I don't know
how good Ohio States quarterback is, but they have the
best defensive player and offensive player. I do a Super
Bowl bubble about once a month. I think Notre Dame
and Bama. I don't know how good the quarterback I
have to work in play we're in.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What do you make of that?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I think Penn State's gonna
be really good. Oregons, Yeah, that totally makes sense. You
never rule out Georgia with Kirby, those those five seem
like a good five to be in there. I think
Notre Dame. I think Notre Dames can be really good again.
You know, Lloyd Carr's grandson is a quarterback there. I
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think he's going to be a really good player. So
Notre Dame's interesting after the year they had last year.
But I think I'd probably agree with the five eight
inside the bubble, all right, and.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
On the hut, especially the one in the top left
corner there.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That Penn State Ohio State game is gonna be won
for the ages. That is gonna be crazy great. See anybody,
all right?
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Speaker 1 (15:49):
All right, here is Jmac, hopefully with an update on
the Bradley Beal Championship parade.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
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Speaker 6 (15:59):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
Hearing you and Breer Wax philosophic about college football.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
Man, I got some good nuggets headlines Friday. Okay, just
stick around. Gonna be a good one for college football.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Let's start here with Ben Johnson colin his plans for
the offense in Detroit. I'm sorry in Chicago dropped and
he let everybody in on a little secret. This is
gonna be I like to fancy it the quarterbacks offense.
Johnson said, We're gonna tailor this right around Caleb Williams.
It will not necessarily be what you've seen from the
last three years. We're gonna find out precisely what one
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what our quarterback does well. And that's what really we're
gonna anchor on. You like this, you love this, It's
tough dot to like.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Well, you have to figure out if he can play.
So let's just figure out if he can play it.
Like I always say, when you draft a quarterback and
you have the quarterback contract for four years.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Load up the offense if.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
You have, don't you don't want to be ambivalent about
it going into your two or three like play. So
to me, this is the way to do this offense
between Ben Johnson, Joe Tooney, Drew Dolman, DJ Moore, Roma Dunze,
the two tight ends. If they can't forget the record,
if they're not a top six or seven offense. I
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watched Jayden Daniels last year with a bad old line
and no run game. If they're not a top six
or seven offense in the league, then you got you
got the wrong guy quarterback. They have to be an
elite offense. They have too many good players.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
So when you hear this, Taylor to the quarterback. So
what he didn't do well last year was a void sacks.
He took seventy nine sacks and giveaways.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
Last year, Colin. That's unacceptable for a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So my guess is they're gonna do a lot more
three step and get rid of it right, read and react.
We do not want you holding the ball, Caleb. That's
when bad things happen.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Speed it up.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I mean one of the great gifts. Brady had got
rid of the ball. You're never going to gain as
many yards as the people you throw it to, so
get rid of the rock.
Speaker 8 (18:04):
Sixty eight secs, eleven giveaways last year from Caleb. That's
just terrible.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Next up, Colin Bummer News Caitlin Clark last night did
not shoot it well and then like on the final
play she had a nice assist she grabbed her groin area.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
It looks like she's not doing great.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
However, people are still curious what's going on with the
three point contest. There are rumors that she's not a rack,
you know, grab the ball of the rack and shoot it.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Here she is addressing all that stuff last night.
Speaker 9 (18:32):
Yeah, I guess I don't know how it compares because
I've never done it, but.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I guess.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
I mean, I'm shooting off a rack, and I know
there was a narrative going around that I didn't want
to do that at one point, which I'm not sure
who made that up, But that's false because I am
doing it. I was saving my first three point competition
in my own city, So whoever said that was a lie.
But at the end of the day, it's just really
not that deep. Or that serious. So just go out
there and have fun and shoot it. You know, it's
(19:01):
just the ball hoop and in her act, I guess,
and you know, just have fun doing it.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
So the game is in her home town obviously, the
three point contest, Colin, I gotta be honest. After seeing
her win sing last time, my guess is she's not.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Going to play tomorrow against the Liberty. I you know,
she's probably gonna want to give it a go. But Conin,
let's be real. This is a big picture thing.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
If you're telling me that Fever can make the finals
with Caitlin Clark or the semifinals, but she needs more
time off, I think you got to skip the game
this weekend.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
A three point contest, right, I would?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, what what's the win If she wins, people say
she should If she doesn't and struggles she gets and
she's by the way, she's struggling right now with injuries.
She's not getting the push off. She won't with a
groin injury, So I'd skip it.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Yeah, And that final story is the Suns and Bradley
Beal parted ways. About an hour ago, somebody sent me
a text that we just had one of the best
segments in show history when you and I went at
it over Bradley Beal going to the paper clips two years,
eleven and a half million dollars. Essentially, he has a
player option for year two. So Bradley Bial's betting on himself. Hey,
(20:05):
with the Clippers, I'm gonna get shots, I'm gonna get points,
I'm gonna start, and I'm gonna opt out after one year,
and then I'm gonna go chase you know, twenty thirty,
forty million whatever next year.
Speaker 8 (20:15):
Obviously, Bradley Bial was better.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Than the public thought. Colin again, his numbers the last
two seasons. Okay, our staff came up with this. Guys
that have averaged fifteen points a game, fifty percent shooting
from the field for from three. Only five guys have
done it in the last two seasons.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Bradley Beil's won of them.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Oh, you can say that garbage all you want, but
he's that He's actually.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Just gonna be deceiving. Stats are deceiving.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
How many people want Carl Anthony towns Sibonis really an
elite player like that? You can make a lot of well,
how many people have not cross locked in a month?
Speaker 2 (20:53):
No speeding tickets. They're Mario ANDRETTI.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Let's slow down on cultivating some rando as to make
me think Bradley Beal is Kevin Durant.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Watch Houston in the last two years.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, that's because everybody's on Booker and Kevin Durant and
he's wide open.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Well, everybody's gonna be on Kawhi and Harden and he's
gonna be wide open. Everybody would have been on Luca
and Lebron. I'm just saying I think this is a
huge win. I know he's only a three time All
Star and he's made All NBA.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
I think once is like a third teamer.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
But I think you're way undervaluing deal and even eighth man.
I'm not just saying this because he went to the Lakers,
but at eight million dollars, that is a steal.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Colin you Ego Bear's clocking like, listen, thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I don't care about value. Give me talent. You're you're
into value, and I go when I go to a
grocery store, Listen, they're day old bagels, but they're almost free.
Give me the fresh ones. I don't care about value,
Give me better players.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
Comparing food to NBA contracts, now call it.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm not a value guy. I don't care about value.
I want players. I look at Oklahoma City, I look
at Indiana, I look at Dallas. I need more elite
players in their prime that can play eighty two games.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
By the way, isn't this isn't value similar to Hey,
I could sign it with a Florida team and pay
no taxes, or I go to a California team and
pay a ton of taxes.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Isn't that value as well?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Called you know what's not winning NBA championships value contracts.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
That's not your kitch.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
You're not getting yo kitch is great and you pay
a lot and SGA and Jay Dubb and Cheded Holging
really good and you're paying max value.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Doesn't I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think it's great that you're getting value with Jalen Brunson.
He's also one of the best small finishers in the
last ten years in the league. I'm much more into
his game than I am his value. You're not going
to get Navidia at value as a stock. I think
you should own it. I don't know if I'm getting
value on it. I just think with AI going forward,
(22:59):
they're new deal potentially with China, you should own that
stock over the next ten years.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't, You're not going to get any value on it.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Okay, Warren Buffett, thanks for that stock tip.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
All right.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 8 (23:10):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Austin Reeves had one of the best value contracts in
the NBA. Did you watch him against the t Wolves? Yeah?
How that value thing work out for you? I mean,
get me players, it's hurt.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
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and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
So one of the annoying traits of J Mack is
that he he overreacts to a good or a marginal player.
So I come in like Rock Purty, he's a good player,
you know the NFL execs, scouts, coaches polled.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
He's not in the top ten. He's probably closer to fifteen.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
But then I have to come in and sound like
a hater when I really don't hate Rock Purty. But
that's what people think. In my take is I think
he's fine. I think Kyle Shanahan and Chris McCaffrey. You know,
last year when McCaffrey's not around, what was his record?
It wasn't very good. And if it's overcast and Misty
suddenly can't hold onto the ball. So same with Austin Reeves.
(24:11):
I like Austin Reeves. He's undrafted. He's a nice player,
he should be at number four and a great team.
He's not as good as Derek White, who I would
trade Austin Reeves for in like fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
But Austin Reeves a good player.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But Austin Reeves thinks I hate him because Jamack has
him as like Bill Russell plus Lebron James, like, can
we slow down? He's undrafted and he's just he out
worked against the Tea Wolves. So I don't even know
where this comes from. I always like Bradley Beal. I
for years thought Lebron James should go out and play
(24:41):
with Bradley Beal. I must have said it a hundred times.
But I take a couple of days off and Jamack
goes on the air and says this with a straight face.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
I think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Lakers get bal to me, they've become right there, one
of the favorites in the Western Conference.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I don't even you know.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I mean, I give you the microphone for three days,
and that's what I get.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I've got to react to that.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And so basically j Mac thinks this version of the
Clippers is going to roll through the NBA. In fact,
if you look at the picture, James Harden isn't even
you know, he's distracted looking off into the wilderness because
he's James Harden. He's not even he's not even like
look at him. He's like, I'd rather be somewhere else.
The best player there on a nightly basis is the center.
(25:29):
So all right, Like he had a great I think
he's a really good player. I think Kawhi's an enigma.
I think he's talented, but he could call ty Lu
at four forty five and go.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I've got an ice cream headache. I can't play. So
I don't even know what I get with him.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
All right, So there's a lot here. I wish we
had more time.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
What we just saw in the NBA this past season
is depth and youth are what's winning. In the playoffs,
the Pacers had nine ten guys. Yeah, oh, Casey had
nine ten guys. When you can get Bradley Beal at
five million dollars, you're getting a boy line All Star
on the cheap, and it enables you to get a
better depth on your bench. So the Clippers you didn't
(26:06):
even see in that lineup, Butdanovitch coming off the bench
that I started for many years. Brook Lopez is going
to be the coming off the bench for them.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
That's a huge get.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Chris Dunn's not terrible Nick Patombs on the French national
team Veterano.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
They're all of a sudden nine or ten deep with
the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
You know who won the title this year. The starters
for Oklahoma City, not their bench. Bench guys go on
the road and they are they are marginalized and reduced
overnight role players do not deliver in the postseason, especially
on the road.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
They're good at home.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Oklahoma City was a different team on the road with
their great bench.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Benches don't win titles.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So what wins Susile Shack, Kobe mj Byrd, Magic duncan
they Lebron They win titles.
Speaker 5 (26:52):
The league has changed just a little and youth and
depth are what rolled in this postseason. The Indiana Pacers
are regretted to they were picking up ninety four feet
because guess what, we got ten guys.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We can go to the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
I'm looking at their depth, Jar right now, Coin again,
their bench right now, Gabe Vincent, Jordan Goodwin.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
You wouldn't know him if he delivered a pizza utio.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
You think you you think the Lakers are title team.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Well, I if they.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
Had gotten Beal, they would have more depth. Jake la
Ravia is like their seventh guy. That's not gonna cut it.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
They need depth in scoring and I don't have that.
You lose Lebron.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Nobody listening to this show can possibly think Beal takes
the Clippers to a different spot. You are literally on
crazy man Island. There's nobody in the world that thinks
except you.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
So you know a lot about you and.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
I both know some Clippers executives. Okay, they watch this show.
You know, Tylu right now is like doing the happy Dance.
He's probably gonna put it on Instagram. This is such
a steal, ca, How do you not see this?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think Tylu thinks we just got Jessica Bal what's
going on here?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I got to go to the trade wire.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
Well, that's a great Jessica Bill reference. I'm a fan
of her work obviously.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Well, I mean, the Steelers got value in Russell Wilson
last year.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Value.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I don't want value in my stocks and in my
NBA stars. I don't want value. I want great See
you tomorrow,
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Colin Cowherd
Jason McIntyre
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