June 20, 2025 • 32 mins
Colin talks to Chris Broussard from First Things First about the Pacers potentially becoming the most unusual NBA champions of all time
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, Eric Mangini coached the Browns and he still resides
there except for his bougie summers, and he is joining
us now live, Eric Mangenie. So I have a feeling
that you and I will disagree a little during the break.
You made an interesting point, so I tend to have
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the drip, drip, drip. This was my Johnny Manzel theory
is that everybody makes mistakes, especially when you're young. But
if I see two, three, four or five, then you've
got a plumbing issue. It's not just you didn't close
the faucet. So there's about six pieces of video in
college where Chador was a little bit of a brat whatever.
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Then there's the legendary Cringey draft room didn't love that
as a B prospect. Then there's back to back speeding
tickets both over ninety and a miss arraignment. And now
I'm like, Okay, it's not just a drippy faucet. There's
a real maturity. Again, if he was a receiver, I
don't think i'd care, So you want to defend him
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I thought this was an interesting take.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting that you said
you were out because of the speeding tickets. To me,
that's that's such a minor thing. You were so high
in terms of his completion percentage in OTAs and I
thought that was a little aggressive on your part. But
with the speeding tickets. I look, I got a speeding
ticket the first night of the draft my first year there.
I thought maybe i'd get the benefit of the doubt,
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but that they they gave it to me anyways, So
they're they're pretty aggressive with the way they patrol the
highways in Ohio. And this is in fairness to Sadore.
This is the first time he's been outside of his
his dad's overviewy of his dad's house. I mean, I
think I think he was his high school coach and
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then he was his college coach. And this is like
any kid who's away from home for the first time, Yeah,
there's gonna be a couple hiccups here and there. And
do you want back to back speeding tickets? No, the
mister Raymond, I would imagine his lawyer was supposed to
take care of that. Typically with speeding tickets, you can
sign something and get that, get that handled. I don't
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love it. I don't love it from a fifth round
draft pick. I don't love that it happened multiple times.
But I do think that this is the first time
he's been away from his from his dad, and you
know there's there's gonna be some some growing pains. Now
would I sell my stock on it like like you
are not because of a couple of speeding tickets, especially
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in at light of the problems that Browns quarterback room
has had to deal with legally in the last few years.
I mean, this is this is nothing. This is nothing?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay, the how much of this is?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, Jimmy Haslam has his hands all over Manzill
has his hands all over to Shaan Watson admitted it,
man enough to admit it. I saw the reaction in
the draft room when they took Senor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's pretty obvious. It wasn't the coach at GM's pick.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
How much is this this This team has eight last
place finishes in thirteen years owning it, how much of
this is We don't have a very good owner here
like Washington, DC and the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, I didn't love the owner stepping in saying you
got to take this guy in the fifth round, and
I doubt they'll ever admit to it, But taking Shadora
Sanders in the fifth round, it's it's a lottery ticket.
If it hit, it's great. It couldn't be any better
for the organization, even if it means your scouts are
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wrong and your your head coach is wrong and your
owner is right. If you hit on a quarterback in
the fifth round, it's it's fantastic. And if you miss
on him, it's it's not that big a deal. So
I could see why why Jimmy has them. At that point,
was saying, here's a guy a lot of people had
significantly higher. He's dropped all the way to the fifth round.
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It's a position of extreme value and if it works out, great,
and if it doesn't, we're not that much worse off.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
All right, I mean, when you did you ever have
a fifth round pick hit like big big time.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You know, I was part of the sixth round pick
that hit in New England with Tom and then you
know Rodney Harrison as a guy coach who was drafted
in the fifth round who ended up hitting pretty big.
And you see it every year, you know, the or
two guys that pop in those late rounds. From a
quarterback perspective, I actually like the fact that he went
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later because I thought the pressure would be taken off him.
What I don't love that the Browns are doing organizationally
is hyping them up as much as they they are
and putting the pressure back on him. I don't love
that part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I want to this team.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We may not talk about much this year, but Justin
Fields is an interesting prospect. So there's so much good
offensive coaching now in the league that didn't exist twenty
years ago. There's so many smart young guys. The McVeigh
tree alone, it's just so many smart guys. And so
Sam Donald, Gino Smith and Baker Mayfield found a second, third,
fourth team and they hit, and that didn't used to happen. Eric,
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if you didn't hit on your first team, like Drew
Brees was the exception. Like it was over but the
offensive coaching now is so good that you know, you
can find the Liam Collen, or you can find somebody
and they take Sam Donald, Kevin o'can and turn him
into a star. So Justin Fields is fascinating. Justin Fields
goes from defensive culture Chicago to defensive culture Pittsburgh. Now
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it's defensive culture coach Jets. So I don't have high
aspirations for him, but I will say that his numbers
in Pittsburgh, if you extrapolate him out over a season,
we're like B plus plus that he was actually pretty good.
Where are you in this new NFL where yeah, guys
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hit a third team and they often have a Darnold season.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Or a Baker season.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, it's it's very easy for us to bury guys,
especially high draft picks, if they're not successful right away.
You know, we're all everybody wants instant success and guys
develop at different rates. And then we saw it with Sam,
we saw it with Gino. Ironically, Sam and Gino were
both Jets picks that his somewhere else, and now the
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Jets are trying to do it with somebody else's first
round draft pick. But but there is there is now
precedent for it, and and Baker had a level of
success early and then you know, I had to go
through a little bit of a hero's journey to get
back to Tampa Bay and and and do what he
did there. And I'm optimistic for for for Justin from
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this perspective is each year his his intercept touch on
the interception ratio has gotten better. Yeah, the amount of
sacks that he's taken has gotten better. His completion percentage
has gotten better. So so those things are are positive.
And as he becomes more comfortable in pro football, and
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now the Jets have given him an opportunity to be
a starter, they're committed to making that work. It's going
to be really interesting to see if he can still
trend the way that he's trended over the last four years.
And and there's a there's a real shot it could.
It could work out extremely well. And even if it
doesn't work out, Colin, he's what twenty million dollars a
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year for two years, and really thirty million is guaranteed.
He's a fraction of what other starters are getting paid
in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Finally, I have last several years, I think this is
my favorite pick who will double their win total last year,
I took Washington and Denver. The year before, I think
I took the Rams. Everybody thought they were going to
rebuild the year before that Minnesota. So I'm a little
little heat heater New England's might pick this year. And
first of all, Drake May year two three hundred million
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in free agency. I liked how they attack their lines
in the draft, but I also said this, I think
they go from a coach that was over his skis
a little bit, was probably more of a coordinator to
I think a really good coach. Tell people you're feeling
un Vrabel, what you've heard, what you know, because I
really I know it is not flashy. But I've always
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thought Mike's team he's a culture developer. Tell me what
you know about him, and do you have hopes for
the Patriots this year? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I thought Mike Rabel should have been the pick last year.
Mike Rabel is arguably the smartest player that I've ever coached.
His recall in the defensive room of things that we
had done years earlier was was incredible. So you and
it wasn't just his recall of his position, it was
his depth of understanding of the entire defense of situations
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of you know, the way that the game was unfolding,
the way that the opponent was unfolding. So that's that
from a scheme perspective, He's got the legitimacy of being
a former player who is extremely successful. He's got the
advantage of it. He's been outside of the New England system,
so he got coaching experience at Ohio State, he got
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coaching experience for the Texans, he got coaching experience in Tennessee.
So he's it's not a first time head coach. That's
a huge asset as well. And he took a year
off to kind of re evaluate his approach and then
and take a step back and see what was good
and what wasn't good. So I think that's valuable, and
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I think Josh McDaniels there is underrated Josh McDaniels. Remember
he took Mac Jones and made him into a pro bowler. Yes, yes,
everybody forgets about that. Josh McDaniels. You can kill him
all you want as a head coach. He is an
outstanding coach, and he's an outstanding offensive coordinator, and he's
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done a great job with with young quarterbacks, and we
saw with Mac Jones. So if anything there's to be
optimistic New England, it's the fact that he's back in
the fall too, and he's got a really good working
relationship with with Mike. It's not like they're strangers working
together for the first time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
All right, undisclosed location. It's great seeing you. You know, you're
very positive today. I'm being very negative Nelly on Shandu.
I am I got I got a little hot cold,
so I'm you know what, Listen, maybe I'll regret it,
but I I sold my stock yesterday after that second
speeding ticket story.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I sold my stock. I'm done.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You're gonna buy upon when he throws his first touchdown
in preseason, You're gonna be like, oh my god, why
did I sell and rush back in and buy a ton.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Wouldn't be the first time I've done that, as was
coach great Senior. All right, we tak to this here
in con All right, good stuff. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news. All right, Well,
let's get back to the NBA Draft. It is Wednesday.
I'm fired up. I think your interest level is gaining.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
There are reports that indicate former Rutger star Ace Bailey
canceled his pre draft visit and work out with the Sixers. Now,
if you remember poor Zingis back in the day, the
Sixers were all about him.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And he's like, I don't want to go there. You're
not getting my medicals. I don't know what's up with
this Ace Bailey move. But he's currently the only.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
US prospect that has yet to work out for any
teams or visit any teams. He's getting strange. There are
reports that he really thinks highly of himself and he's like, listen,
I want to be a star.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I don't want to be a second.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Banana or a third Banana. I don't know what's going
on with this kid, Colin. He looks like a guy
who could project to be a ball George type player.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Long he is a ball stopper, though one assist game.
He's got no playmaking ability. He's a He's not a
guy that's going to fit into a lot of offenses.
This is a guy that has a higher sense of self.
There is a difference between delusion and confidence one assist
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a game ball stopper hard fit into a lot of
team offenses.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I don't think it works.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
So what do you What do you do to fix
that mentality? He is a teamaker.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Obviously, People at nineteen aren't the same as they are
at twenty three, twenty four.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Can you get through to this kid and buy in?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Hey man, look I got I've got rings, I know
what it takes.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
You just need to chill out. You're not going to
be the start. I'm sorry. Can you get to a
young kid?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
There are a lot of correctible flaws. Delusion is not
one of them. And I've always I've felt this in
my company hiring people. There are things you can work on.
I think you get into trouble when you think you
can change people at a base level.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You just think you could people.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If you go find somebody that's a bit of a
squirrely mess at twenty three, there's a or somebody that's
not trustable at twenty three, you probably still don't trust
them at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Like people that are unethical or.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Lie with ease like that just just something that I
think that's just who you are now. If somebody is
imma you know, there are certain things like you know,
we change diets, we change workout habits, we change there's
there are certain things that but.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I but if you everyone, that's internally for us to change,
that's not for someone wanting to change us. As a
married guy, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, right, Yeah,
And that's you're.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Onto something with change because anybody.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Who's been married knows that, like, hey, your wife may
not like some stuff you do.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
She wants you to change, and you can try, but
con let's be real, that's who you are. You can't
fundamentally change some of the things.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, I mean, if you're a selfish person, it's hard
for you to diametrically change to a person that sacrifices often,
which is what marriage is. So it's like and again,
as a player, I'm not saying he can't. Your jump
shot can get better, your ball handling can get better.
But if you're a guy that in like a pro
athlete Zion that struggles with Wade, there's not a lot
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I can If you're a pro athlete and I have
to convince you to be in shape, Luca, you're constantly
it's like, okay, I mean By the way, Mellow was
never in world class shape for twenty years. So d
Wade was in the best shape in the league's steps,
in the best shape, and that's who they are. So
when I see this kind of I'm not going to
visit with an team, good luck, kind.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Of like I'm out on that guy. Interesting, all right?
Next up, let's go to college football.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Where Archie Manning enters his first year as the Longhorns
starting quarterback. He showed a lot of promise in his
limited opportunities, and now his uncle Peyton Manning thinks that
his nephew will thrive in Sarkesian's offensive seating season, adding
he'll have great knowledge of the system as he enters
year three. Unbelievably, arch Manning has made ninety five passes
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in twelve games.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
This is a very greed player, Colin. Obviously, the talent
is there. I don't know, three years in sark system,
do you expect him to pop right out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, he's a better athlete than Eli or Peyton. But
Archie Manning, you know, the father was Actually I watched
him bad Saints Team's Archie could move. Archie was a scrambler,
so he's more like Archie. He can move around the
field really well. And I think he's I think he's strong.
I've seen him videos on the internet, you know, t
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shirt without a shirt in the in the in the
weight room with all the guys, like you know, they're
all like buffed out guys or something. I saw a
picture like a year ago. It's like, oh no, No,
he's got some size to him. I think he's obviously
a smart kid. My guess is it works. He never
complained about not playing, so he's got maturity. He's big enough.
I think his arm is pretty good. He moves really well.
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I mean, Manning's on average. They're all smart. I know
four of them. They're all I know the Dad, I
know Eli, I know Cooper, I know arch I know Peyton.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're all smart.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's a big part of this whole league is can
you learn playbooks. I think he's gonna be a Heisman
Trophy Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Okay, so let me ask you though.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
In Sark's offense, I believe under yours they didn't have
him running a lot. Sure he could scramble, but Sark
wants you to win from the pocket. Would you say,
that's there, okay. Do you think Sark tweaks the offense
to take it vanage of Arch's legs, or hey, we
got our system, We're gonna run.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
What we do Arch, make it happen.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think if you have a guy that can move,
you move it. But I think again, Arch looks at
his family and goes, how did my how did my?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
How did Peyton and Eli? How did they win Super Bowls?
From the pocket? You can Jayden Daniels moves just fine.
He's great in the pocket.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
You got all the good quarterbacks now can scramble? Look
at the top four mahomes alo.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean bow Nicks moves a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I like scrambling, but sarks system isn't built on scrambling.
He's gonna want you to throw from the pocket.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The final story is back to soccer.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
We have some sound now after the USA beat Saudi
Arabia one.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Nothing on the Chris Richards.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Goal, So Landon Donovan has chimed in about the USA's
chances against Haiti.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
This wee get. The question is is continuity?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
The most important thing is rest The most important thing,
I would say, though, I think Haiti, even though Saudi
beat them. I think Haiti are a better team than Saudi.
Ra game and our this was our best team here
and they struggle with Saudi like you could lose that
game if you don't play your full team, you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
But who cares if you lose a Gold Cup game
when you've already advanced.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Isn't it better to get the young.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Guys reps as opposed to, Hey, we gotta win?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Do we got must beat Haiti?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think the way this team is played, I think
wins matter. I think I would go play to win.
I don't think i'd rest any of this organization. There
are two nothing loss from another negative analog avalanche pouring
down on the United States men's national team.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Any w's aren't.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
We mentally strong enough to handle the media criticize against
By the way, this game is Sunday against Haiti. You
know what else is Sunday NBA Finals Game seven. So
there's a world where Pochatino says, you know what, all
the attention in the US is going to basketball.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Let me tinker, let me mess around, let me try
some new.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
This is the this is the last major tournament before
the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want six wins. I don't. I don't want to
mess around.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like I want my next group beyond the Western McKinneys,
you know, beyond Tyler Adams, beyond Christian Pulisic. I want
to figure out my next six to seven really good players.
I'm not going to a third group. We can do
that after the World.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Cup, right. I want this.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I want to find substitutes or World Cup team members
who if I have to play in a pinch, I can.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Okay, So here's the line. So remember the US was
not a huge favorite against Saudi. It went it to
the minus one eighty US is minus two forty five
to beat Haiti. So it doesn't really jive with what
Landon Donovan was saying. Kind of has some disagreement on
Haiti Versaudi Arabia, and the market is saying US should
roll in this game. Not like they did five nothing
in the opener, but they are considerable favorites.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Sunday night, JMA with a news Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping that. The herd Line News Tomorrow's
headlines today to wrap.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Up the week.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Next be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
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Speaker 1 (20:24):
Been quite a week, multiple brawls, Caitlin Clark and the Fever,
and the Dodgers and the Padres Shador Sanders drama.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
A very active week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And you know, for all the talk about oh, you
know indye OKC, I don't know. You know, you go
back to that Golden State Lebron Cleveland Cavalier Final. Six
blowouts and a great Game seven. You know we had
We've had like one two ugly games in this thing.
Last night was ugly, but we've had four or five
really good games, and uh so it's been a really
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really captivating series. We don't have a ton of star power,
but you know, sometimes we overdramatize how good those you know,
Red G. Miller, Nixon Pacers games. I mean, some of
those teams were scoring in the seventies. They were free
throw shooting contests.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
This is this is historically.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You know, nobody's going to talk about this final, but
I think Game seven is going to be fantastic and
I can't wait. But it is time, as it is
Friday at this juncture every week for the former newspaper
man to deliver headlines clicky headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today is
what we call it. What's the headline for the NBA
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Finals Pacers thunder uh woof.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I don't know, Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
This is is a tough one, right, I mean it
kind of reminds me of the Oka See Denver series
where they rolled in Game seven. The headline will be
game chit match, Pacers find double faults.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
To go around.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I will go okay See kind of big year ten
to fifteen points.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I think they cover the spread and win.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Listen, I'm rooting Pacers. I'm not going to be objective
about that at all. I'm definitely all in on Indiana.
But I just think okay See is a truck at home.
Other than that Game one loss, Colin, where they kind
of vomited the game away, I believe they've led for
like one hundred and forty one of one hundred and
forty six minutes at home in this series.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
It's just not competitive.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I don't think Alex Cruso will be as bad as
he was in Game six, nor will j dub and
Obi Toppins.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Is not going to hit five threes.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's tough for me to make a case to the Pacers,
but I'll be rooting.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
For Well, what is the line about five?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
And I thought, you know it is eight and a half,
and now it's seven and a half. So some people
are betting Indiana.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I would bet Indiana, really, yeah, I seven and a half,
eight and a half, I'd bet Indiana.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
So you what, Okay, s's tight and nervous in a
game seven and home.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think one of the things that you and I
talked about, I know I did, is that the youngest
team in forty eight years with a chance to win
a championship. Okay, Indiana is not going to be tight
ogaholma was He's gonna be I don't care if they
lead by fifteen with eight minutes to go, they gonna
be tight. And Indiana is playing as a dog with
house money. Halliburton's not one hundred percent Okay, see better Heck,
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control of this game with five minutes left or.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Indiana is gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Indiana's great in the close games.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Obviously a season they did lose Game four, which was devastating,
but I think the number okay sees like five hundred
in close games this season because they don't play a
lot of them.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They play a lot of them. So I'm gonna take
Indiana in the points. Okay, tomorrow's headlines today, Oh, the
suddenly dysfunctional again New York Knicks and the head coach search.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
By the way, did you notice this week it was
very quiet on the Knicks front, like they swung and missed.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
With all those teams.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
They were like, you're not talking our guy. Now it's
quieted down. I think they're zeroing in on their guy.
The headline for the next.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Job will be Mike check one.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Two, one, three rings Nicks want to finish their set.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think Mike Brown is gonna be the guy.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Colin the more you read about him, is a guy
who's worked with Lebron right. He has coached the Lakers
and the Big Glare in Spotlight in LA. He was
with those Warriors teams that were iconically great, seventy three
win team, the Kevin Durant teams. He's been around the block,
took the Kings to the playoffs. I think he's your
guy who kind of lowers the temperature a little bit.
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He's not the screamer of the Thibodeau or Michael Malone is.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
It's pretty clear. A lot of people think, oh, Michael Malone,
why wouldn't they go get him?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's pretty clear the Knicks don't want him at this point.
Now maybe that changes, but his name's nowhere to be
found on all the gambling lists, and like even the
interview process, it doesn't seem like they want to go
back to a Thibodeau type screamer.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Mike Brown, I think is a great choice.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Kevin Durant, nobody loves him?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What say you don't you love this?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
It's like Kevin Durant beloved superstar and now everybody's.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Out of him.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
So all he does is sit on social media all
day arguing with people. Kevin Durant, where's he headed?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The headline?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Will me?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Can't spell Houston without O U T Kd's next West exit? Hey,
somebody please tag him on that. Kevin Durant is like
shouting with people. He's arguing right now. I'm sure you
saw the latest So Boogie Cousins came out and was like,
oh yeah, there were multiple fights in the Phoenix locker
room this season. Now that hasn't been reported anywhere. So
Kevin Durant's like I'm calling bs on that the guy
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is literally spending his off season arguing with people on
social media. Colin, I don't think that's a guy many
teams will want.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
However, Houston, I don't.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Think they're gonna have to give up much to get him.
It's sounding like, hey, your best offer is gonna be
Jalen Green. If you want to reroute him somewhere else,
that's fine. But it's like Jalen Green and maybe a
bench guy and a pick. But they're not gonna have
to give up shn Goon obviously not on Man Thompson
and Frankly, I think KD could work there as like
a number three guy who just have to score and
(25:53):
get buckets, doesn't have to be a leader they got
Fred van Vliet, I think it could work in Houston.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And finally, Tomorrow's headlines today, what's the headline for the
Lakers now under new ownership?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, I loved your Laker rent yesterday. Everybody agrees this
is great for the franchise. The headline for the Lakers
will be Lake.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Me out to the ball game.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Bron enters year twenty three of his seventh inning stretch.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
If you're a Laker, fan right now. You're giddy, Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You are looking at everything the Dodgers have done for fifteen.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Years and saying why not us.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I know the Dodgers have no salary cap, but it's
the little things behind the scenes that you pointed out yesterday.
It's the scouting department, the analytics department. All that stuff
can be beefed up. No cap, by the way, no
salary cap. I mean on assistance and analytics departments. They
are gonna build that out and they're gonna have some
of the best in the business working in LA.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
It's not difficult Colin to get people to want to.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Move out here, the beautiful weather and the beaches and
the Hollywood premieres. I think that the Lakers are heading
back to the elite class where they were in the
eighties with Magic Worthy and company.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Chris Brusard Brew was on earlier today and we asked him.
I mean, he covers the NBA and has for years.
We asked him about the new Lakers ownership.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Imagine the Lakers, with the weather, with the prestige of
the franchise now being willing to spend money as much,
if not more than anyone else in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
This is great for Luka.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Doncic is great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do
everything they can to start winning a bunch of championships.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And when you.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard
to say.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So Dave mcmanamhon had an article earlier and that there
was another young man that was involved in that article,
the Tim Bontemps that don't be surprised if the Lakers
don't spanned like the scouting department. And there was a
couple of instances showing that the Lakers, I mean they
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during COVID they were looking for federal assistance like a
lot of small business people were looking for and it's different.
And they didn't go to the Sloan Analytic Conference, the
only NBA team that missed that. So you know, it's
we've used the term multiple times. It was a little
mom and poppish. Genie Buss will still be the quote
governor of the team, but Mark Mark Cuban said he
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was going to be around when the Mavericks sold and
new ownership spends six seven, eight, nine ten billion dollars,
they're going to control the team so, and Genie's been
a great face of it. Me. Everybody likes Genie. Impossible
not to like. She's concerned, she's conscientious, she's great. But
it's it's just a new ownership. It's a new time.
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Everybody freaks out. You know, the billionaires, the venture capitalists.
You know, they can like Sports two. They can like
Sports two, and you know sometimes they come with their
impulsive and you know they demand stuff because they get
their way a lot. But I'll take the faults of
venture capitalists to own my team. You know, Steve Cohen
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can be a little much, But would you rather have
him or the previous group that got taken to the
cleaners by madeoff the will Ponds, who always, you know,
felt like they were just kind of underachieving, right, So
Steve Cohen's a little impulsive. I mean, now, Dave Tapper
is it in Carolina again. He's been you know, over
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the top, but he's a smart guy. My feeling he's
going to learn. I actually think Carolina is going to
vie for a wild card spot this year. I don't
know if they'll get there. So you know, I'm not
one of these I'm not afraid of billionaires. They create
a lot of jobs. They're big thinkers. I mean I
I every day I am on TikTok. That is TikTok
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is the one social media platform I go to, and
I go to it a lot for business leaders and
you know, AI what to do with your money, and
you know, they give incredible advice. Everybody on the internet
is pretending they're a a doctor, pretending they're adventure capitalists.
I'd rather have a venture capitalist just own my franchise.
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So for years and years, Paul Allen was one of
the richest owners, and it solidified the Seahawks, who were
always kind of a wonky franchise. And then Paul Allen
and when he when he had the Blazers, I don't
know when Paul Allen was was front and center with
the Blazers Rest in peace. You know, I thought they
were always buying for star players. So I just think
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you have to be well funded. There was a day
in a time, and like in baseball, it's a great
example where the regional sports networks which really helped the
A's and the Reds and the Royals and the Pirates,
those have kind of gone away when Fox sold them,
and there is a massive gap in baseball. And you
know the baseball teams that are good, the ones with
the rich owners. You know, they're spending money. So yeah,
(31:02):
David Tapper, the Panthers owner, So you know, it doesn't
mean they're all good. But I mean what worries me
is when you get a corrosive owner like Dan Snyder
and Washington and that kind of corrosive human being. And
that's the stuff that worries me, or Donald Sterling or
just you know, like Mard shot bad people.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That's what worries me.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm not afraid of the nine ten to eleven figure guys.
Yeah whatever, we're gonna have a trillionaire here, but we
may already have a trillionaire whatever. You know. All right,
j Mac, good week, really good week. We're going to
go into production this weekend to try to create a
some Dylan Gabriel up close and personal moments. I'm gonna
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try to weed off the shaduor Sanders content.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Hey, real quick, the NBA is going to announce their
Game seven referee here shortly. A lot of people are concerned.
It's going to be your guys, Scott Foster. You don't
think Adam Silver would actually do that.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yes, fifty foul shots. Baby can't wait.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Well, Eric Mangini coached the Browns and he still resides
there except for his bougie summers, and he is joining
us now live, Eric Mangenie. So I have a feeling
that you and I will disagree a little during the break.
You made an interesting point, so I tend to have
(00:51):
the drip, drip, drip. This was my Johnny Manzel theory
is that everybody makes mistakes, especially when you're young. But
if I see two, three, four or five, then you've
got a plumbing issue. It's not just you didn't close
the faucet. So there's about six pieces of video in
college where Chador was a little bit of a brat whatever.
(01:12):
Then there's the legendary Cringey draft room didn't love that
as a B prospect. Then there's back to back speeding
tickets both over ninety and a miss arraignment. And now
I'm like, Okay, it's not just a drippy faucet. There's
a real maturity. Again, if he was a receiver, I
don't think i'd care, So you want to defend him
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a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I thought this was an interesting take.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting that you said
you were out because of the speeding tickets. To me,
that's that's such a minor thing. You were so high
in terms of his completion percentage in OTAs and I
thought that was a little aggressive on your part. But
with the speeding tickets. I look, I got a speeding
ticket the first night of the draft my first year there.
I thought maybe i'd get the benefit of the doubt,
(02:00):
but that they they gave it to me anyways, So
they're they're pretty aggressive with the way they patrol the
highways in Ohio. And this is in fairness to Sadore.
This is the first time he's been outside of his
his dad's overviewy of his dad's house. I mean, I
think I think he was his high school coach and
(02:21):
then he was his college coach. And this is like
any kid who's away from home for the first time, Yeah,
there's gonna be a couple hiccups here and there. And
do you want back to back speeding tickets? No, the
mister Raymond, I would imagine his lawyer was supposed to
take care of that. Typically with speeding tickets, you can
sign something and get that, get that handled. I don't
(02:42):
love it. I don't love it from a fifth round
draft pick. I don't love that it happened multiple times.
But I do think that this is the first time
he's been away from his from his dad, and you
know there's there's gonna be some some growing pains. Now
would I sell my stock on it like like you
are not because of a couple of speeding tickets, especially
(03:03):
in at light of the problems that Browns quarterback room
has had to deal with legally in the last few years.
I mean, this is this is nothing. This is nothing?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Okay, the how much of this is?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I mean, Jimmy Haslam has his hands all over Manzill
has his hands all over to Shaan Watson admitted it,
man enough to admit it. I saw the reaction in
the draft room when they took Senor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's pretty obvious. It wasn't the coach at GM's pick.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
How much is this this This team has eight last
place finishes in thirteen years owning it, how much of
this is We don't have a very good owner here
like Washington, DC and the Commanders.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, I didn't love the owner stepping in saying you
got to take this guy in the fifth round, and
I doubt they'll ever admit to it, But taking Shadora
Sanders in the fifth round, it's it's a lottery ticket.
If it hit, it's great. It couldn't be any better
for the organization, even if it means your scouts are
(04:05):
wrong and your your head coach is wrong and your
owner is right. If you hit on a quarterback in
the fifth round, it's it's fantastic. And if you miss
on him, it's it's not that big a deal. So
I could see why why Jimmy has them. At that point,
was saying, here's a guy a lot of people had
significantly higher. He's dropped all the way to the fifth round.
(04:27):
It's a position of extreme value and if it works out, great,
and if it doesn't, we're not that much worse off.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
All right, I mean, when you did you ever have
a fifth round pick hit like big big time.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
You know, I was part of the sixth round pick
that hit in New England with Tom and then you
know Rodney Harrison as a guy coach who was drafted
in the fifth round who ended up hitting pretty big.
And you see it every year, you know, the or
two guys that pop in those late rounds. From a
quarterback perspective, I actually like the fact that he went
(05:07):
later because I thought the pressure would be taken off him.
What I don't love that the Browns are doing organizationally
is hyping them up as much as they they are
and putting the pressure back on him. I don't love
that part of it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I want to this team.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We may not talk about much this year, but Justin
Fields is an interesting prospect. So there's so much good
offensive coaching now in the league that didn't exist twenty
years ago. There's so many smart young guys. The McVeigh
tree alone, it's just so many smart guys. And so
Sam Donald, Gino Smith and Baker Mayfield found a second, third,
fourth team and they hit, and that didn't used to happen. Eric,
(05:45):
if you didn't hit on your first team, like Drew
Brees was the exception. Like it was over but the
offensive coaching now is so good that you know, you
can find the Liam Collen, or you can find somebody
and they take Sam Donald, Kevin o'can and turn him
into a star. So Justin Fields is fascinating. Justin Fields
goes from defensive culture Chicago to defensive culture Pittsburgh. Now
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it's defensive culture coach Jets. So I don't have high
aspirations for him, but I will say that his numbers
in Pittsburgh, if you extrapolate him out over a season,
we're like B plus plus that he was actually pretty good.
Where are you in this new NFL where yeah, guys
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hit a third team and they often have a Darnold season.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Or a Baker season.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, it's it's very easy for us to bury guys,
especially high draft picks, if they're not successful right away.
You know, we're all everybody wants instant success and guys
develop at different rates. And then we saw it with Sam,
we saw it with Gino. Ironically, Sam and Gino were
both Jets picks that his somewhere else, and now the
(07:01):
Jets are trying to do it with somebody else's first
round draft pick. But but there is there is now
precedent for it, and and Baker had a level of
success early and then you know, I had to go
through a little bit of a hero's journey to get
back to Tampa Bay and and and do what he
did there. And I'm optimistic for for for Justin from
(07:22):
this perspective is each year his his intercept touch on
the interception ratio has gotten better. Yeah, the amount of
sacks that he's taken has gotten better. His completion percentage
has gotten better. So so those things are are positive.
And as he becomes more comfortable in pro football, and
(07:44):
now the Jets have given him an opportunity to be
a starter, they're committed to making that work. It's going
to be really interesting to see if he can still
trend the way that he's trended over the last four years.
And and there's a there's a real shot it could.
It could work out extremely well. And even if it
doesn't work out, Colin, he's what twenty million dollars a
(08:05):
year for two years, and really thirty million is guaranteed.
He's a fraction of what other starters are getting paid
in the league.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Finally, I have last several years, I think this is
my favorite pick who will double their win total last year,
I took Washington and Denver. The year before, I think
I took the Rams. Everybody thought they were going to
rebuild the year before that Minnesota. So I'm a little
little heat heater New England's might pick this year. And
first of all, Drake May year two three hundred million
(08:35):
in free agency. I liked how they attack their lines
in the draft, but I also said this, I think
they go from a coach that was over his skis
a little bit, was probably more of a coordinator to
I think a really good coach. Tell people you're feeling
un Vrabel, what you've heard, what you know, because I
really I know it is not flashy. But I've always
(08:57):
thought Mike's team he's a culture developer. Tell me what
you know about him, and do you have hopes for
the Patriots this year? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I thought Mike Rabel should have been the pick last year.
Mike Rabel is arguably the smartest player that I've ever coached.
His recall in the defensive room of things that we
had done years earlier was was incredible. So you and
it wasn't just his recall of his position, it was
his depth of understanding of the entire defense of situations
(09:26):
of you know, the way that the game was unfolding,
the way that the opponent was unfolding. So that's that
from a scheme perspective, He's got the legitimacy of being
a former player who is extremely successful. He's got the
advantage of it. He's been outside of the New England system,
so he got coaching experience at Ohio State, he got
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coaching experience for the Texans, he got coaching experience in Tennessee.
So he's it's not a first time head coach. That's
a huge asset as well. And he took a year
off to kind of re evaluate his approach and then
and take a step back and see what was good
and what wasn't good. So I think that's valuable, and
(10:08):
I think Josh McDaniels there is underrated Josh McDaniels. Remember
he took Mac Jones and made him into a pro bowler. Yes, yes,
everybody forgets about that. Josh McDaniels. You can kill him
all you want as a head coach. He is an
outstanding coach, and he's an outstanding offensive coordinator, and he's
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done a great job with with young quarterbacks, and we
saw with Mac Jones. So if anything there's to be
optimistic New England, it's the fact that he's back in
the fall too, and he's got a really good working
relationship with with Mike. It's not like they're strangers working
together for the first time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
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Speaker 1 (10:49):
All right, undisclosed location. It's great seeing you. You know, you're
very positive today. I'm being very negative Nelly on Shandu.
I am I got I got a little hot cold,
so I'm you know what, Listen, maybe I'll regret it,
but I I sold my stock yesterday after that second
speeding ticket story.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I sold my stock. I'm done.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You're gonna buy upon when he throws his first touchdown
in preseason, You're gonna be like, oh my god, why
did I sell and rush back in and buy a ton.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Wouldn't be the first time I've done that, as was
coach great Senior. All right, we tak to this here
in con All right, good stuff. J Mack with the news.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Turn on the news. This is the headline news. All right, Well,
let's get back to the NBA Draft. It is Wednesday.
I'm fired up. I think your interest level is gaining.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
There are reports that indicate former Rutger star Ace Bailey
canceled his pre draft visit and work out with the Sixers. Now,
if you remember poor Zingis back in the day, the
Sixers were all about him.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
And he's like, I don't want to go there. You're
not getting my medicals. I don't know what's up with
this Ace Bailey move. But he's currently the only.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
US prospect that has yet to work out for any
teams or visit any teams. He's getting strange. There are
reports that he really thinks highly of himself and he's like, listen,
I want to be a star.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I don't want to be a second.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Banana or a third Banana. I don't know what's going
on with this kid, Colin. He looks like a guy
who could project to be a ball George type player.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Long he is a ball stopper, though one assist game.
He's got no playmaking ability. He's a He's not a
guy that's going to fit into a lot of offenses.
This is a guy that has a higher sense of self.
There is a difference between delusion and confidence one assist
(12:40):
a game ball stopper hard fit into a lot of
team offenses.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I don't think it works.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
So what do you What do you do to fix
that mentality? He is a teamaker.
Speaker 6 (12:51):
Obviously, People at nineteen aren't the same as they are
at twenty three, twenty four.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
Can you get through to this kid and buy in?
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Hey man, look I got I've got rings, I know
what it takes.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
You just need to chill out. You're not going to
be the start. I'm sorry. Can you get to a
young kid?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
There are a lot of correctible flaws. Delusion is not
one of them. And I've always I've felt this in
my company hiring people. There are things you can work on.
I think you get into trouble when you think you
can change people at a base level.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
You just think you could people.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
If you go find somebody that's a bit of a
squirrely mess at twenty three, there's a or somebody that's
not trustable at twenty three, you probably still don't trust
them at thirty three.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Like people that are unethical or.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Lie with ease like that just just something that I
think that's just who you are now. If somebody is
imma you know, there are certain things like you know,
we change diets, we change workout habits, we change there's
there are certain things that but.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I but if you everyone, that's internally for us to change,
that's not for someone wanting to change us. As a
married guy, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, right, Yeah,
And that's you're.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Onto something with change because anybody.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Who's been married knows that, like, hey, your wife may
not like some stuff you do.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
She wants you to change, and you can try, but
con let's be real, that's who you are. You can't
fundamentally change some of the things.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, I mean, if you're a selfish person, it's hard
for you to diametrically change to a person that sacrifices often,
which is what marriage is. So it's like and again,
as a player, I'm not saying he can't. Your jump
shot can get better, your ball handling can get better.
But if you're a guy that in like a pro
athlete Zion that struggles with Wade, there's not a lot
(14:41):
I can If you're a pro athlete and I have
to convince you to be in shape, Luca, you're constantly
it's like, okay, I mean By the way, Mellow was
never in world class shape for twenty years. So d
Wade was in the best shape in the league's steps,
in the best shape, and that's who they are. So
when I see this kind of I'm not going to
visit with an team, good luck, kind.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Of like I'm out on that guy. Interesting, all right?
Next up, let's go to college football.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Where Archie Manning enters his first year as the Longhorns
starting quarterback. He showed a lot of promise in his
limited opportunities, and now his uncle Peyton Manning thinks that
his nephew will thrive in Sarkesian's offensive seating season, adding
he'll have great knowledge of the system as he enters
year three. Unbelievably, arch Manning has made ninety five passes
(15:32):
in twelve games.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
This is a very greed player, Colin. Obviously, the talent
is there. I don't know, three years in sark system,
do you expect him to pop right out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, he's a better athlete than Eli or Peyton. But
Archie Manning, you know, the father was Actually I watched
him bad Saints Team's Archie could move. Archie was a scrambler,
so he's more like Archie. He can move around the
field really well. And I think he's I think he's strong.
I've seen him videos on the internet, you know, t
(16:03):
shirt without a shirt in the in the in the
weight room with all the guys, like you know, they're
all like buffed out guys or something. I saw a
picture like a year ago. It's like, oh no, No,
he's got some size to him. I think he's obviously
a smart kid. My guess is it works. He never
complained about not playing, so he's got maturity. He's big enough.
I think his arm is pretty good. He moves really well.
(16:26):
I mean, Manning's on average. They're all smart. I know
four of them. They're all I know the Dad, I
know Eli, I know Cooper, I know arch I know Peyton.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They're all smart.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
That's a big part of this whole league is can
you learn playbooks. I think he's gonna be a Heisman
Trophy Canada.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think he's gonna be really good.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Okay, so let me ask you though.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
In Sark's offense, I believe under yours they didn't have
him running a lot. Sure he could scramble, but Sark
wants you to win from the pocket. Would you say,
that's there, okay. Do you think Sark tweaks the offense
to take it vanage of Arch's legs, or hey, we
got our system, We're gonna run.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
What we do Arch, make it happen.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think if you have a guy that can move,
you move it. But I think again, Arch looks at
his family and goes, how did my how did my?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
You know?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
How did Peyton and Eli? How did they win Super Bowls?
From the pocket? You can Jayden Daniels moves just fine.
He's great in the pocket.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
You got all the good quarterbacks now can scramble? Look
at the top four mahomes alo.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I mean bow Nicks moves a lot.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I like scrambling, but sarks system isn't built on scrambling.
He's gonna want you to throw from the pocket.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
The final story is back to soccer.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
We have some sound now after the USA beat Saudi
Arabia one.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Nothing on the Chris Richards.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
Goal, So Landon Donovan has chimed in about the USA's
chances against Haiti.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
This wee get. The question is is continuity?
Speaker 7 (17:56):
The most important thing is rest The most important thing,
I would say, though, I think Haiti, even though Saudi
beat them. I think Haiti are a better team than Saudi.
Ra game and our this was our best team here
and they struggle with Saudi like you could lose that
game if you don't play your full team, you can't.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Huh, that's interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
But who cares if you lose a Gold Cup game
when you've already advanced.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Isn't it better to get the young.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Guys reps as opposed to, Hey, we gotta win?
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Do we got must beat Haiti?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think the way this team is played, I think
wins matter. I think I would go play to win.
I don't think i'd rest any of this organization. There
are two nothing loss from another negative analog avalanche pouring
down on the United States men's national team.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Any w's aren't.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
We mentally strong enough to handle the media criticize against
By the way, this game is Sunday against Haiti. You
know what else is Sunday NBA Finals Game seven. So
there's a world where Pochatino says, you know what, all
the attention in the US is going to basketball.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Let me tinker, let me mess around, let me try
some new.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
This is the this is the last major tournament before
the World Cup.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
I want six wins. I don't. I don't want to
mess around.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Like I want my next group beyond the Western McKinneys,
you know, beyond Tyler Adams, beyond Christian Pulisic. I want
to figure out my next six to seven really good players.
I'm not going to a third group. We can do
that after the World.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Cup, right. I want this.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I want to find substitutes or World Cup team members
who if I have to play in a pinch, I can.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Okay, So here's the line. So remember the US was
not a huge favorite against Saudi. It went it to
the minus one eighty US is minus two forty five
to beat Haiti. So it doesn't really jive with what
Landon Donovan was saying. Kind of has some disagreement on
Haiti Versaudi Arabia, and the market is saying US should
roll in this game. Not like they did five nothing
in the opener, but they are considerable favorites.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Sunday night, JMA with a news Well that's the news,
and thanks for stopping that. The herd Line News Tomorrow's
headlines today to wrap.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Up the week.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Next be sure to catch live editions of the Herd
weekdays and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Been quite a week, multiple brawls, Caitlin Clark and the Fever,
and the Dodgers and the Padres Shador Sanders drama.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
A very active week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
And you know, for all the talk about oh, you
know indye OKC, I don't know. You know, you go
back to that Golden State Lebron Cleveland Cavalier Final. Six
blowouts and a great Game seven. You know we had
We've had like one two ugly games in this thing.
Last night was ugly, but we've had four or five
really good games, and uh so it's been a really
(21:00):
really captivating series. We don't have a ton of star power,
but you know, sometimes we overdramatize how good those you know,
Red G. Miller, Nixon Pacers games. I mean, some of
those teams were scoring in the seventies. They were free
throw shooting contests.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
This is this is historically.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You know, nobody's going to talk about this final, but
I think Game seven is going to be fantastic and
I can't wait. But it is time, as it is
Friday at this juncture every week for the former newspaper
man to deliver headlines clicky headlines. Tomorrow's headlines today is
what we call it. What's the headline for the NBA
(21:40):
Finals Pacers thunder uh woof.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I don't know, Colin.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
This is is a tough one, right, I mean it
kind of reminds me of the Oka See Denver series
where they rolled in Game seven. The headline will be
game chit match, Pacers find double faults.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
To go around.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I will go okay See kind of big year ten
to fifteen points.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
I think they cover the spread and win.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Listen, I'm rooting Pacers. I'm not going to be objective
about that at all. I'm definitely all in on Indiana.
But I just think okay See is a truck at home.
Other than that Game one loss, Colin, where they kind
of vomited the game away, I believe they've led for
like one hundred and forty one of one hundred and
forty six minutes at home in this series.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
It's just not competitive.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
I don't think Alex Cruso will be as bad as
he was in Game six, nor will j dub and
Obi Toppins.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Is not going to hit five threes.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Like.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's tough for me to make a case to the Pacers,
but I'll be rooting.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
For Well, what is the line about five?
Speaker 6 (22:35):
And I thought, you know it is eight and a half,
and now it's seven and a half. So some people
are betting Indiana.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
I would bet Indiana, really, yeah, I seven and a half,
eight and a half, I'd bet Indiana.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
So you what, Okay, s's tight and nervous in a
game seven and home.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Yeah. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I think one of the things that you and I
talked about, I know I did, is that the youngest
team in forty eight years with a chance to win
a championship. Okay, Indiana is not going to be tight
ogaholma was He's gonna be I don't care if they
lead by fifteen with eight minutes to go, they gonna
be tight. And Indiana is playing as a dog with
house money. Halliburton's not one hundred percent Okay, see better Heck,
(23:13):
control of this game with five minutes left or.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Indiana is gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Indiana's great in the close games.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Obviously a season they did lose Game four, which was devastating,
but I think the number okay sees like five hundred
in close games this season because they don't play a
lot of them.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
They play a lot of them. So I'm gonna take
Indiana in the points. Okay, tomorrow's headlines today, Oh, the
suddenly dysfunctional again New York Knicks and the head coach search.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
By the way, did you notice this week it was
very quiet on the Knicks front, like they swung and missed.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
With all those teams.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
They were like, you're not talking our guy. Now it's
quieted down. I think they're zeroing in on their guy.
The headline for the next.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Job will be Mike check one.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Two, one, three rings Nicks want to finish their set.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think Mike Brown is gonna be the guy.
Speaker 6 (23:59):
Colin the more you read about him, is a guy
who's worked with Lebron right. He has coached the Lakers
and the Big Glare in Spotlight in LA. He was
with those Warriors teams that were iconically great, seventy three
win team, the Kevin Durant teams. He's been around the block,
took the Kings to the playoffs. I think he's your
guy who kind of lowers the temperature a little bit.
(24:20):
He's not the screamer of the Thibodeau or Michael Malone is.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
It's pretty clear. A lot of people think, oh, Michael Malone,
why wouldn't they go get him?
Speaker 6 (24:27):
It's pretty clear the Knicks don't want him at this point.
Now maybe that changes, but his name's nowhere to be
found on all the gambling lists, and like even the
interview process, it doesn't seem like they want to go
back to a Thibodeau type screamer.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Mike Brown, I think is a great choice.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Kevin Durant, nobody loves him?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What say you don't you love this?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
It's like Kevin Durant beloved superstar and now everybody's.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Out of him.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
So all he does is sit on social media all
day arguing with people. Kevin Durant, where's he headed?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
The headline?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
Will me?
Speaker 6 (25:00):
Can't spell Houston without O U T Kd's next West exit? Hey,
somebody please tag him on that. Kevin Durant is like
shouting with people. He's arguing right now. I'm sure you
saw the latest So Boogie Cousins came out and was like,
oh yeah, there were multiple fights in the Phoenix locker
room this season. Now that hasn't been reported anywhere. So
Kevin Durant's like I'm calling bs on that the guy
(25:22):
is literally spending his off season arguing with people on
social media. Colin, I don't think that's a guy many
teams will want.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
However, Houston, I don't.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Think they're gonna have to give up much to get him.
It's sounding like, hey, your best offer is gonna be
Jalen Green. If you want to reroute him somewhere else,
that's fine. But it's like Jalen Green and maybe a
bench guy and a pick. But they're not gonna have
to give up shn Goon obviously not on Man Thompson
and Frankly, I think KD could work there as like
a number three guy who just have to score and
(25:53):
get buckets, doesn't have to be a leader they got
Fred van Vliet, I think it could work in Houston.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And finally, Tomorrow's headlines today, what's the headline for the
Lakers now under new ownership?
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Yeah, I loved your Laker rent yesterday. Everybody agrees this
is great for the franchise. The headline for the Lakers
will be Lake.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Me out to the ball game.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Bron enters year twenty three of his seventh inning stretch.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
If you're a Laker, fan right now. You're giddy, Colin.
Speaker 6 (26:27):
You are looking at everything the Dodgers have done for fifteen.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Years and saying why not us.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I know the Dodgers have no salary cap, but it's
the little things behind the scenes that you pointed out yesterday.
It's the scouting department, the analytics department. All that stuff
can be beefed up. No cap, by the way, no
salary cap. I mean on assistance and analytics departments. They
are gonna build that out and they're gonna have some
of the best in the business working in LA.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
It's not difficult Colin to get people to want to.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Move out here, the beautiful weather and the beaches and
the Hollywood premieres. I think that the Lakers are heading
back to the elite class where they were in the
eighties with Magic Worthy and company.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Chris Brusard Brew was on earlier today and we asked him.
I mean, he covers the NBA and has for years.
We asked him about the new Lakers ownership.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Imagine the Lakers, with the weather, with the prestige of
the franchise now being willing to spend money as much,
if not more than anyone else in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
This is great for Luka.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Doncic is great for Lakers fans, and they're gonna do
everything they can to start winning a bunch of championships.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
And when you.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
Look at what he's done with the Dodgers, it's hard
to say.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
He won't get a few.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
So Dave mcmanamhon had an article earlier and that there
was another young man that was involved in that article,
the Tim Bontemps that don't be surprised if the Lakers
don't spanned like the scouting department. And there was a
couple of instances showing that the Lakers, I mean they
(28:05):
during COVID they were looking for federal assistance like a
lot of small business people were looking for and it's different.
And they didn't go to the Sloan Analytic Conference, the
only NBA team that missed that. So you know, it's
we've used the term multiple times. It was a little
mom and poppish. Genie Buss will still be the quote
governor of the team, but Mark Mark Cuban said he
(28:27):
was going to be around when the Mavericks sold and
new ownership spends six seven, eight, nine ten billion dollars,
they're going to control the team so, and Genie's been
a great face of it. Me. Everybody likes Genie. Impossible
not to like. She's concerned, she's conscientious, she's great. But
it's it's just a new ownership. It's a new time.
(28:47):
Everybody freaks out. You know, the billionaires, the venture capitalists.
You know, they can like Sports two. They can like
Sports two, and you know sometimes they come with their
impulsive and you know they demand stuff because they get
their way a lot. But I'll take the faults of
venture capitalists to own my team. You know, Steve Cohen
(29:10):
can be a little much, But would you rather have
him or the previous group that got taken to the
cleaners by madeoff the will Ponds, who always, you know,
felt like they were just kind of underachieving, right, So
Steve Cohen's a little impulsive. I mean, now, Dave Tapper
is it in Carolina again. He's been you know, over
(29:35):
the top, but he's a smart guy. My feeling he's
going to learn. I actually think Carolina is going to
vie for a wild card spot this year. I don't
know if they'll get there. So you know, I'm not
one of these I'm not afraid of billionaires. They create
a lot of jobs. They're big thinkers. I mean I
I every day I am on TikTok. That is TikTok
(29:55):
is the one social media platform I go to, and
I go to it a lot for business leaders and
you know, AI what to do with your money, and
you know, they give incredible advice. Everybody on the internet
is pretending they're a a doctor, pretending they're adventure capitalists.
I'd rather have a venture capitalist just own my franchise.
(30:18):
So for years and years, Paul Allen was one of
the richest owners, and it solidified the Seahawks, who were
always kind of a wonky franchise. And then Paul Allen
and when he when he had the Blazers, I don't
know when Paul Allen was was front and center with
the Blazers Rest in peace. You know, I thought they
were always buying for star players. So I just think
(30:39):
you have to be well funded. There was a day
in a time, and like in baseball, it's a great
example where the regional sports networks which really helped the
A's and the Reds and the Royals and the Pirates,
those have kind of gone away when Fox sold them,
and there is a massive gap in baseball. And you
know the baseball teams that are good, the ones with
the rich owners. You know, they're spending money. So yeah,
(31:02):
David Tapper, the Panthers owner, So you know, it doesn't
mean they're all good. But I mean what worries me
is when you get a corrosive owner like Dan Snyder
and Washington and that kind of corrosive human being. And
that's the stuff that worries me, or Donald Sterling or
just you know, like Mard shot bad people.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
That's what worries me.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I'm not afraid of the nine ten to eleven figure guys.
Yeah whatever, we're gonna have a trillionaire here, but we
may already have a trillionaire whatever. You know. All right,
j Mac, good week, really good week. We're going to
go into production this weekend to try to create a
some Dylan Gabriel up close and personal moments. I'm gonna
(31:46):
try to weed off the shaduor Sanders content.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Hey, real quick, the NBA is going to announce their
Game seven referee here shortly. A lot of people are concerned.
It's going to be your guys, Scott Foster. You don't
think Adam Silver would actually do that.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
Yes, fifty foul shots. Baby can't wait.
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