Hour 3 - College Football Playoff Bracket

Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the College Football Playoff bracket and what might need to be changed going forward

 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
listening to Fox Sports RadioU with that, Joel Klatt joins
us the twelve team playoff. To say it's flawed is
an understatement. I'll start Joel with this. Generally speaking, if
you have the best regular season Oregon and the best
conference championship performance Oregon, your reward shouldn't be potentially Ohio State, Texas,

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and Georgia. I just look at that and I think,
how does Penn State get grooved into their path? And
how does Oregon get there? That's my first complaint that
Oregon got a bit hosed. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You're not wrong? Like, can you imagine if the Kansas
City Chiefs had to face the hardest road to get
to the Super Bowl after getting the one seed? Like,
we don't do that because that's ridiculous, but in college
football we still do it. There's so much to get
into Colin, that all ties together with this sentiment. So
you're just bringing up Oregon, and yes, you can talk

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about their path and how you know, if you look
at the top four teams as far as oddmakers go
in terms of winning the national championship are Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia,
and Texas. What's the path for Oregon those teams? Which
is asinine in particular in a sport that desperately wants
to retain the value of its regular season, because the

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value of its regular season is unique, and they've totally
blown that. Okay, So a bunch of things that I
want to get into here, and I'm gonna try to
do them quickly, Colin. But first and foremost, you have
to understand that modern college football and vintage college football
are like oil and water. What is old in this
sport and what is new in this sport do not mix.
It's new wine and old wine. Skins for those of

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you Biblical scholars out there, like it doesn't work. The
bowl system in the playoff system doesn't really work together.
Mega conferences and eight conference game schedules don't really mix together.
A balance power five that is giving a given a
similar revenue share from the television networks is the old system.
Now we've got two mega conferences that are getting the

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line share of the television network money. That doesn't really
mix when then you're trying to create this equal footing
in a playoff. Okay, so that's what's old and what's new.
And what's the problem with this is that the the
people who built this system, this twelve team playoff, are
the same people that built the Bowl Alliance, the same
people that built the BCS, are the same people that

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gave us the four team playoff, and now they're the
same people that gave us the twelve team playoff. And
what they've been trying to do is renovate old structures.
But what I just told you is absolutely correct. What
is old and what is new in this sport do
not mix. This needed to be a tear don and
not a renovation, and they gave us a renovation with
some paint over there and didn't really even remodel the kitchen.
Here's why I come to that conclusion is because the

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reason that they gave the four buys to conference champions
is because they were trying to placate self interest within
college football, which is what we do all the time.
So the commissioners of the ACC and the Big twelve
and all these other conferences are like, we're not going
to go along with this, with this renovation unless we
have a buy in the first round for our champion.

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And so the Big ten and the SEC are like, fine,
in order to get the twelve team playoff, we will
placate you. So the structure of this system was flawed
from the get go because it was trying to retain
the value of the conference championship game, because that value
is very high to each one of those conferences in
terms of a revenue distribution from the television network. So

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now you've fast forward. So now the flaw is in
the construction of this thing, and now the committee is
trying to place people inside of a flawed structure. And
yet they doubled down on the exact thing that didn't
work in the construction of the entire playoff, which was
they tried to overvalue conference championship games. So we go
back to the exact same point. It's the one little

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needle that threads all this together. So this committee overvalues
the conference championship games and they put an artificial floor
below teams that played in those games, Texas, Penn State, SMU.
Once you put an artificial floor there, here's what happens
is that the better resumes and better teams get artificially
shoved down the bracket and down the seating, which then

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in turn hurts the very team that you were trying
to reward in the first place, which was Oregon. So
now Oregon is sitting there with a potential second round
game against let's just call it favored Florida State, or
excuse me, Ohio State. They're favored against Tennessee. Let's say
they win, they've got to play Ohio State. And yet
when you look at the resume and the quality of
the teams between Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, and Penn State,

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Ohio State's the best resume of all of those. So
in the exact manipulation of trying to save conference championship games,
you actually ruined them. This is this is what they
don't understand is that there is a cost to these
artificial manipulations of construction. And when you try to do

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things that that are not a meritocracy, this is what
you get and it ends up being an unfair burden
on the top, which is Oregon, which had the best
regular season of anybody in the sport, had the best
conference championship game of anybody in the sport, and now
you gave them the toughest path of any of the
four teams that got to buy Yeah, and they did

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that because of an artificial, artificial floor put on those
conference championship Let me, that's that's how we get here.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, let me let me talk about it. Let's just
get to the point, like people want to talk about
games here, So let's talk about this. Ohio States at
home as a favorite. They're wobbling. Their all line is
a bit of a mess, and Tennessee's defense front is stout.
I look at that game and I'm like, Ohio State,
that is the worst team. I mean, at least. I mean,

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oh Penn State played two good teams. They lost to both,
including one at Happy Valley. Yeah, Ohio State's got some
impressive wins. Even their loss at Autsin that's about as
good as you can It's about the best loss of
the year in college football. I mean, when Texas lost
to Georgia at home, that was a bad loss. They
got pushed around. Losing in the last play at Autsin
do a great team's a great loss Ohio State. To me,

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it's gonna be lousy weather that hurts their great wide
receiving core. It's gonna be thirty eight, cold and wet.
I think that's a bad matchup for the Buckeyes. Joel,
You've seen a lot of Ohio State. I don't like
that game for Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
To you, I completely agree with you. If you look
at the games in which they struggled, namely on the
offensive side, you would point to the Nebraska game, and
you would point to the Michigan game. And the thing
that Nebraska and Michigan had is they were very stout
in the interior of their defensive line. Yep, that's and
that's that's the whole deal. And the team that was
committed to running the football on the opposite side, so

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you know, and those two teams had terrible offenses. And
Ohio State survived against Nebraska with a fourth down goal
line stand with their defense, and didn't survive against Michigan.
So this is not a great matchup for Ohio State,
not in the least. Right now, Yeah, what we haven't
seen is that Chip Kelly and Ryan day have not
leaned totally into being like, Hey, we're gonna just go
do what we did against Georgia two years ago, and

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we're just gonna sling it around and use our talent
on the outside. We have not seen them do that.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Chip was incredibly stubborn against Michigan, and I'm wondering if
he's going to open it up against Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
My question is, can you when it's thirty seven degrees
in Windy that's much easier down at the Sugar Bowl
or somewhere in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, here's the other one.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
At one point, I've been burned, so I gotta put
on SPF fifty when I talked Texas football because I've
been burned my whole life file. It's insane. Nineteen penalties
twice against Georgia. I gotta be honest. I didn't like
the play calling by Texas in overtime. Joel a fade
rout out of the end zone. Then you throw it

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in the flat against the most athletic team in the sport,
Like those plays aren't gonna work.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Some of this is on it's on sark a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
I didn't like to play calling in overtime, did you.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, I didn't, And it was the same type of
play calling we got laid against Washington last year. Yeah. Right,
like the fade routes. I just don't like fade routes
unless unless you tell me that you're a great back
shoulder fade team and you have the option where you're
legitimately gonna read it and if your wide receiver wins
on top, then you can throw that down the field

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throw or if he's not gonna win and be on top,
you can hit it on the back shoulder. Indiana is
great at that. So when you go to the one
on one matchup and you're great at reading the back shoulder,
that's one thing. But Quin Yours is not very good
at that. He throws with touch all the time, he
quotes the football, and time and time again they go
to these fade routes. It's got to be maddening for

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Texas fans. And here's one thing that I'll just say,
I'm surprised we haven't seen more arch.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Same the same.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yours. Lack of mobility Calin is hurting them. And if
you don't have mobility, you better be able to throw
guys open and you better be able to manipulate the
game from the pocket in a way that gives you
an advantage. And when I watch Texas, yours lack of
mobility is actually it's a hindrance to the way they

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call plays because they have to call plays to get
guys open for him, because he rarely throws guys open,
if that makes sense, Like you're not seeing him drive
the football and then layer the football and then throw
with touch. He doesn't change pace very often, whereas with
Arch you might not get as seasoned of a passer. Okay,
that's fine, but he does have a stronger arm, he
can drive the football in tight spaces, and he's much

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more athletic. And there are times, in particular against Georgia,
when it becomes tough and you can't just scheme somebody
wide open. Texas stalls out and then they resort to
these one on one faith throws and it doesn't work.
It doesn't work. And I will tell you why I'm
concerned for Texas and maybe even Georgia as well. I

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believe to win this playoff at some point along the way,
you're gonna have to do what Oregon just did against
Penn State, which is get into a shootout and win
and look across the field and say, no one's gonna
stop us today. We've seen it from the Georgia's and
the Clemsons and the Alabama throughout the playoff history. We've
seen it from Michigan. In order to win the playoff.
At some point, you're gonna have to go out there

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and say you won't stop us in this half of football.
And I don't know if either of those teams can
do that.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, yeah, I said this earlier. These sec TA and listen,
it's a great conference. But I would argue this year
Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon are absolutely as good
as the top three in the SEC. I mean, Oregon's
offense is better than anything in the SEC. And I
think Penn State's so fast.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
They look oh Saturday night, like just how fast everybody
on the outside. It's like they get ted. Johnson gets
the ball and you're like, whoa.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
How about this? Show the bracket again? Think about this.
If you asked James Franklin put the bracket up. If
you said, hey, we're gonna leave this open, Penn State,
where would you want to be? They'd be like, hey,
can we be at home against SMU and then they
get Boise State. That's what they want to pick one
hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
One hundred percent. If you offered them a trade closed doors,
no one would ever know it. And you said, like, hey,
James Franklin, would you trade with with Oregon right now?
Would you? I'll give you the Big ten championship game.
You go to the one seed, You'll get the winner
of Tennessee Ohio State, and Oregon's gotta go play SMU
and Autin. So you'll get a buy all of that.
I guarantee you. James Franklin would say, absolutely not. The

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path to the semi final in this playoff is much
cleaner for Penn State than it is for organ now
Oregon to their credit. And here's the thing that I
do love about Dan Lanning, and I think you'll love
it as well, Colin. He's not going to complain about this.
We're not gonna hear him gripe about this like we
do countless, you know, endlessly from other coaches around the country.
Dan Landing is going to say, like, order the buses

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and let's go. And then once we get into that stadium,
lock the gates behind us. And that's why I love
saying lending. That's his mentality. You know, you know one thing, Joel,
But behind closed doors, if you offered Penn state of trade,
there's no way they would trade with Oregon.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
One thing Oregon has a little bit is that Tennessee
Ohio State could be such a cold weather fistfight. It
could be so physical that the team could the winner
of that game could come out of that thing exhausted, limping,
banged up, and emotionally spent. I mean, Ohio State could

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come out of that game at home, winning seventeen fourteen
and still not sure what their offense is, and Oregon's
sitting there thinking, well, we've had two weeks to prepare
for this. That is the one thing Oregon gets is
that game in front. I mean, if Tennessee Ohio State,
if you would have said they end up playing for
the national championship, I wouldn't have been shocked. That is
in I mean, so to me, that thing is gonna

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look like the national Championship, and that means it's gonna
feel like it in Columbus. And that's a little break
for Oregon. That's such an emotional game. But I think
we both think they got hosts. Oh, by the way,
somebody told me that Dion Sanders doesn't make house visits
and that Belichick doesn't have to. If he hires three
or four elite recruiters, he's a rock star like Dion,

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players will want to come to him. Do you think
Belichick possibly could work at UNC.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's a great question. I don't see why not. And remember,
college football is becoming more about roster construction than it
is recruiting. Look at Indiana, Yeah, Colorado, true, you know
so true. It's it's I think it's being weighted more towards.
Our sport at this level is waiting more towards because

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you can't just accumulate five stars like you used to.
You might get them in high school recruiting, you're not
going to keep them because they're not to sit there
as backups. They're just going to transfer. Their mobility and
autonomy to move is too great, and so you're not
gonna just sit there and accumulate talent. So what you
have to do is be able to evaluate well and
then build a roster. And then the other part of
this is as parody comes in coaching and on field

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coaching is becoming more and more valuable. So I will
tell you this. Five years ago, I would have scoffed
at this and said this feels like a publicity stunt.
Today I look at that and I think to myself,
that might be the exact type of guy that you
would want now, you would love if he was younger.
But you talk about being able to evaluate talent, build
a roster, and then coach in game. Really well, I

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think those are the three things that the head coaches
are going to have to do better than anybody else
to succeed in the future.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Hey, Joel Klapp made himself available for us today. He
looks like he's a very swanky setup somewhere in an
undisclosed location. What are you looking at right now?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
A day's in I'm going to dazeen and modesto.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
I bet you are.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know what you know? I think back to your
your I agree with all that Mahome stuff, and I
feel like Josh Allen every week I come on this show.
I've got to have the cape on every week.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
You know what, though, you are compensated for that greatness.
So that is the.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
One thing our salary cap here.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
We don't got a lot of wiggle room and I'll
just leave it at that with a clatster.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Good see him, man, that's great to see you, Bud.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Great to see you. He came in on late notice
he was flying today and we called him and he
broke it down and we love him for it. Joel Clatt,
the voice of college football at here at Fox Sports.
Oregon got hosed. Ohio State's gotta be going. Didn't we
beat Penn State at Happy Valley? Isn't that word any think?
I mean a nothing against Penn State. I think they're good,

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but they played Oregon in Ohio State. They lost to
them both. I mean they didn't go on the road
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Speaker 3 (16:16):
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Speaker 4 (16:23):
Kirk cousins Colin does it feel kind of sort of
over for him to don Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
It does. He's aged really quickly.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Yeah, this last month has been brutal. Falcons lose to Minnesota,
their fourth straight. Cousins in those four zero touchdowns, eight picks,
Rahiem Morris unbelievably says he's gonna stick with his veteran quarterback.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Everything is always discussed when you go watch the tape
and do all those type of things. But like Kirk
Cousins off quarterback will have the ability to go watch
this tape just like we do every single week. You know,
Kirk plate significantly better than he did the week before.
We got a chance to go out there and focus
on us and get a chance to go out there
really work on what we do and what we do well,
and we'll do whatever's best. They'll go win football games
and Kurch definitely a part of that.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
So is this a sign maybe that Michael Pennix has
not wowed them in practice?

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Is that possible?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, I think first of all, you don't want to overreact.
They they before this game they led the division, so
you don't want to do a Jets and fire.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Roberts technically were tied.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Well, they had beaten Tampa twice. They so I think
they're gonna have big discussions this week. I would have
started Kirk Cousins in that spot on the road. If
you look at Atlanta's schedule, do they have a comfortable
home game against an average defense. I can see them
saying this may be a shootout. They look at film.
We don't want Michael Pennix in a shootout dropping forty
five times. I think this week they have to discuss it.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
So they are at the Raiders on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Okay, so they get they get extra time to prepare
against an average team. Then they get the Giants Washington
and Carolina. I think I think you got a roll
with Pennis. I think you have to think what you
got right. I mean again, this is about as good
as it gets. Banged up Raiders, horrible giants that may
be soft tanking. Now's the time to see if the
kid can play. And he's been with weapons.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
You can gee Morris in trouble if he sticks to it,
he's sure. Yeah, Arthur Blank's not gonna do.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
Their season win total was amazing. You've been hyping this
team for six maybe eight months. I mean, Colin, it's
fallen apart pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Well, the last good team.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Maybe oh sorry, if you remove the two Tampa games,
Kirk Cousins numbers or like bottom of the barrel, like
not even a top twenty quarterback in this league.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Remember he's shredded Tampa twice.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I only though I liked him, but I even I
said he's good until Thanksgiving next year the.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Nets Panics's team.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
So I didn't see him like being a two year starter,
I said. I said, he's going to start this year,
kind of do a Flacco Lamar Jackson, and when all
of a sudden you feel like he's lost his fastball.
I think I thought it would take twenty twenty five games,
and it took twelve.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
What's the market like if Cousins hits.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It, not much of one. I don't mean he's made
so much money he's not going to back up. I
think he retires. I think Kirk, Yeah, I think he's
gonna hang it up. He's got a real life and spicy,
he's a family guy. He's gonna retire. He's not gonna
be anybody's backup.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
When you take it next year, Kirk Cousins or Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Draft somebody Driley Leonard in the third round.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Stop it all right, here's the tough Kirk Cousins or
Drew Brees.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Drew Brees, by the way, just announced fractured and let's
think he's probably done it again.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Who Sorry, Derek Carr.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I don't know why I'm saying Drew Brees, Derek Carr
or Kirk Cousins right now.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Today for next season, probably Derek Carr. I think Kirk
Cousins may retire. I think there's a strong I don't
think he wants to back up Panix. I think it's
I think yeah, I think it's not. I don't think
he has an error. Aaron Rodgers feel he's made great money.
He's got, you know, Aaron single, He's got a family, kids.
I think Kirk's got a big broad life that he

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would move into a tough.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Way to go out for a pretty good quarterback.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Speaking of losing streets, the next story is the Arizona
Cardinals and your guy Kyler Murray.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Colin. Uh, We're gonna have to have a discussion here
about Kyler Murray.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
I mean, they got destroyed by the Steelers Seahawks yesterday.
It was not even close, and the Seahawks swept them
this season Kyler was awful in both games against Seattle Arizona.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Playoff odds dropped him.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Thirty six percent to eleven. Kyler did take responsibility for
the loss.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
So I gonna let the team down today. Well, self explanatory.
You know can't do that.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
It sucks.

Speaker 6 (20:27):
It sucks obviously when you feel like you put yourself
in this position. But at the end of the day,
we got we gott show up again. We gotta showup,
we gotta show We got another home game next week,
Clora besco Ford when it comes down to it.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
So there's some numbers out about man coverage and under
pressure and Kyler Murray folded twice against Seattle.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Seattle's defense look good again.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Well, remember the defensive coordinator for the Ravens became the
Seahawks head coach. Seattle's defense looks great and Baltimore's is terrible.
It's really lacking. So he's obviously an impact.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
So there's some I don't Again, it's not a full season,
but Marvin Harrison Junior has left a little something to
be desired.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
He's gotten touchdown catches, but he's really inconsistent. Is that
a Kyler issue or a Marvin Harrison issue.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Who has looked better to you as a rookie, Malik
Neighbors or Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Wellman Leak Neighbors has been banged up. I think he's
been more electric when he's available. It's hard to judge
my Lak Neighbors because the quarterback plays so bad with
the Giants.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
How about this?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Do you think that going maybe brock Bowers over Harrison
would have been smart? But then you have McBride and Bowers.
But two tight ends works. I mean it worked for
the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think Harrison was a very good player. I wouldn't
put all the blame on Harrison in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
It maybe some Kyler stuff. I just wonder what the
future is like. You're not moving off Kyler. Do you
like this coach? The coaching staff a few weeks ago
look good. There's a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Al everybody keeps getting fired in Arizona. Maybe it's the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Maybe it's quarterback.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Yeah. Final story column is to Major League Baseball. Juan
Soto is signing a fifteen year, seven hundred and sixty
five million dollars deal with the Mets.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
He moves from the Bronx to Queens, landing the largest
deal in pro sports history.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
The deal includes an opt out after the fifth year
and no deferred money. Member Otani deferred like ninety something
percent of his money.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
If Soto chooses to not.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Opt out, his deal will go up another four million
dollars per year and the total could exceed eight hundred
million dollars.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Well, Cohen's got so much money. He will be surrounded
by good players. It's not gonna be a It's not
gonna be a Joe Mauer the Twin situation. He'll be
surrounded by good players. Cohen's the richest owner.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
He just made the Mets the most relevant maybe sports
team in New York outside the Necks.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I mean, they're more relevant than the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, I will tell you this. I believe the NBA
is in a little trouble. I think Mark Cuban new
when to sell. I think baseball is gonna have a renaissance.
I think it's got its best players in the big cities.
I think baseball both New York teams are good. Both
Southern California teams have note padres, and the Dodgers are good.
Atlanta remains well run. I think I think Baseball Philadelphia

(23:13):
is excellent. I think baseball is in a really good
spot going forward. Their stars are in the right markets.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
I don't want to hear anybody going after Jason Tatum's
contract when you see this Sodo deal, I mean, come on.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
This is yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
But Soto is considered after Otani, the best pure talent
in the sport. Tatum's like the thirteenth NBA players.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
He's top five, seven and sixty five million.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Collins, Well, it's a baseball's got one hundred and sixty
two games minimum. He's driving a lot of people to
the ballpark. You're not gonna watch Soto and Lindor.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
That's gonna be Yankees. So no, I won't line it right.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Listen to Yankee fans. You could have done it. You
could have done it.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
I listen, it's an a no way.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
How about this? How about this? I'll just throw this out.
There are the Mets with Cohen's money and two of
the three best players and some momentum. Are they the
new Yankees of New York?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Hopefully not that I read an awesome article years ago
about Cohen and then the New Yorker. I'll put it
on social media the guy is really legendary the way
he made his money. You know, he's Did you ever
watch the show Billions on that character the main guy
acts was a lot heavily based on Cohen because he
would like, you know, skirt around around the edges and

(24:28):
do some just some stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Shall we say?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's uh, he's got a great history and I gotta
give him. Listen, if you got more money than you
could spend, why not.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
What's a big deal? Like you said, the Pittsburgh Pirates owner, the.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Best players in baseball, you can put him in any
order you want, Oh, Tawny Bett, Harper, Lindoor, Soto, Judge, Aaron.
They're all in three markets. That's what I'm saying now.
The kid Ronald o'cunya and Atlanta's up there. I also
think Freddie Freeman has got to be some more up there.

(25:00):
Former Brave now a Dodger. But if I get eight
or nine of the best players and they get to
be in a great organization in the biggest market in
the South LA and then San Diego, by the way,
plays big for a smaller market because they don't have
an NFL team, So they got Machado, Tatis, I mean, so.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
You got like eight teams a matter of base No.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, if I said the ten best players in baseball,
they're on like five teams. I'm okay with it. Southern
California teams, New York teams in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Cubs, in White Sox combined and have nobody. Do they
have any good players at all?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Baseball? In Chicago, they're just punting on it. That's a
big market.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Do I sound like a coastal elite a little bit?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Just a tad Jmack with the news.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well that's the.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
News, and thanks for stopping by the Herd line news.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, I got nothing to get bleeve me. I got
nothing against Chicago, but the White Sox feel like they've
been so poorly run forever.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
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Speaker 1 (26:04):
Bengals Cowboys tonight, I'll take Cincinnati in kind of a
high scoring game. You know, I was just jotting down
my Herd hierarchy for tomorrow and that game Thursday, Rams
forty nine ers. San Francisco has to win. Rams need
to win. But it is interesting when a team plays
a perfect football game. I thought the Rams played a

(26:24):
perfect football game yesterday, even got a block punt. That's
as well as the Rams have played since the Super
Bowl run. They were Everything was electric, and Buffalo actually there.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You know.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Their offense was fine, their defense was just in the
back end was terrible. And again, this is what happens
when you coaching becomes more important in the NFL. When
you pay your quarterback four hundred and fifty million dollars,
then it gets down to coaching because your margin shrink
and the better coaches win the close games and you're

(26:56):
Sean Payton's and your Andy Reid. So Buffalo's paying the
quarterback sos get very, very tight. Very rarely am I shocked,
But the rams ease of moving the football was insane.
It looked like a passing drill. It was a summer
seven on seven camp, and Josh Allen's the only thing
that kept Buffalo in that thing. Matt hasselback this morning

(27:18):
on what he saw from Josh.

Speaker 7 (27:20):
Unfortunately for Josh Allen, he just was born at the
wrong time. I mean, Josh Allen to me, is the
MVP this year. He's absolutely incredible, a ton of fun
to watch. But when you're playing in the AFC and
you're playing in a tight game, certain teams know how
to finish and they you just know that they're going
to do it, and other teams are struggling to learn
how to do it. I thought last night Buffalo had

(27:43):
an opportunity, but they made a couple calculated mistakes that
ended up costing them the game. Now they'll learn from
that and they'll be better for it. But when you
talk about Kansas City, they're just a team that has
those intangibles and other people besides just the quarterback who
can rise above you.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Know, it's funny and you talk about quarterback talent, I'm
not talking about productivity, just raw talent. I think Josh
Allen's the most talented quarterback I've ever seen. I think
Dan Marino and John Elway are special. I think Mahomes
and Brett Farv kind of the top five just raw talent. Now,

(28:22):
Lamar Jackson's hard because he's not in the pocket at
that level, but he's better at the other stuff. I
always thought far was a better raw talent than Aaron Rodgers,
but Aaron was more efficient. I thought Aaron was better
pre snap, and there was just sort of a leadership,

(28:42):
kind of an alpha to Farv. That is it's but
in just in terms of talent, I'm talking arm strength, mobility, playmaking, toughness, leadership, relentlessness, focus.
I would say Josh Allen, Marino, Elway, Mahomes, Farv, Peyton,

(29:04):
Manning's way up there didn't move very well. And yet
you know we always say, well where's Brady. I'm just
talking horsepower throwing it now. Mechanically, if you're talking the
mechanics of quarterback, Brady's the best ever. I mean his
throwing motion, his torque, his ability to throw a clean
ball in a crappy weather. Brady separated from people pre snapped.

(29:27):
Tom's probably the best ever. With Manning mechanics, He's the
best ever. Ability to rise to the moment. Joe Montana
and Brady, you're just like nobody have ever seen. I
think the most underwrited quarterbacks in my life were Roger
Staback for the Cowboys and Steve Young. And I would
put Lamar in the Roger Stabucks Steve Young category. Where
Caman as a runner developed as a passer, and they're

(29:49):
all time greats. But Alan does stuff that I mean,
it's I mean, here's the thing, there are real holes
in Buffalo's defense. Rams defense up front is good, young
and that those two guys from Florida State and Kobe
Turner Rams are young, fast, tough, physical, pretty relentless upfront defensively,

(30:13):
and he just did whatever he wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Can you imagine if the Bills played indoors in a
dome all the time with.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Josh Allen and that offense.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Oh my gosh, what they were doing yesterday, it's so
far was just incredible. The Rim could not stop them.
That's why McVeigh had to go on fourth and five
from three.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Don't give a choice. We got no chance. Can't stop them.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Great Monday Show. Heard hierarchy among other things tomorrow in
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