September 2, 2024 • 41 mins
Jonas and LaVar, in for Colin, give all their thoughts on College Football’s Week 1 and how all the dominoes will play out for the rest of the season, former Steelers head coach Bill Cowher shares his thoughts on the removal of the surprise onside kick, why the new kickoff rules won’t last very long, the final edition of Herdline News, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
So, we do have one game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Left in the Labor Day weekend extravagance of college football
coming up later on tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Florida State. Everybody's favorite cry baby.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Is back, they will be on display against Boston College.
That game will kick off seven thirty Eastern time. And
if you've got Direct TV, good luck, good luck, because
they are in the midst of a battle our Direct
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TV and Disney, as I'm sure many people found out
trying to watch opened last night. So yeah, look, you
know they're a little fight, a little back and forth
for control. But we started off the show talking about
USC's big win over LSU. Big win, you know, kind
of different looking USC than what we've seen in years past,
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but the same but the same old LSU that we've
seen in years past, which is.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A problem losing Week one. Brian Kelly frustrated, pounding the table.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Afterwards, just really upset about, you know, his team losing
that game, a game they.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Felt like they should have won.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now that being said, if you just look at the
weekend in college football as a whole, it gave you
everything you've come to know about week one and love
about Week one in college football. You add sloppy play,
maybe some unexpected results the underdogs with a fantastic week
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For those of you that like to go to the
window and gamble a little bit. Our friends on DraftKings
the underdogs did really really well. The unders on the
point totals did really really well. Jared Smith, Fox Sports
radio host gave you that information over the weekend. So
good weekend for the unders. Good weekend for the underdogs.
You got to see a lot of mistakes being made.
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You got to see weather have an impact Penn State
and West Virginia. That was wild to see it two unbelievable.
So it's like we got to see everything that Week
one in college football offers, and it it just goes
back to the conversation about, look, if you're not gonna
have preseason games, I do give credit to all of
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these schools that take on legitimate opponents. I don't care
if it's neutral site, I don't care whatever it is,
like Penn State going to Morgantown.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's not an easy game, especially Week one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so whenever there's a team that schedules a quote
unquote cupcake or schedules somebody from a lower division or
something like that week one, I'm never judgmental of it
because I always look at it and go probably the
smart play considering all of the other factors that come
up when you haven't played a game.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
In months, Notre Dame went into College Station. It's a
big win. Hell yeah, hell yeah. I mean just watching
college football this weekend and seeing some of these major
matchups LSU, usc A and M and Notre Dame, you know,
Penn State and West Virginia. I mean I was texting
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you guys, you and Q that was funny that linerd
and in urban chose West Virginia to win and by
like large margins too. You know, It's kind of like
I like it when you have a Week one where
you just you have games where you just do not
know who's going to win and who's going to lose.
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I like when you have both ranked teams, teams that
are coming into Week one, that both have rankings in
the top twenty five. I like those games. I just
I like seeing I like seeing the underdogs play well,
play hard. I mean, Hawaii, I didn't get a chance
to really see it, but just watching the updates on
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the game, I mean, that was that was pretty interesting.
You know, there weren't too many other upsets that took
place in the top twenty five, unless it as a
top twenty five team that they were playing against. But
I didn't see many too many, you know, too many
underdogs winning it. Yeah, but I really like this this
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year's I feel like the energy surrounding this year season
is a lot higher, It's a lot more electric because
of the stimulation from expanding the playoff, the playoff bracket.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I also wonder that as well too. Maybe we're more
conditioned to look at a team losing Week one in
college football and being like, oh God, that's it, Like
you lose one game, like now you're really up against it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Where with the.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Expanded playoffs, now there's going to be more opportunity to
get in. Like now there's going to be better opportunities
for you to try and get in and be a
part of the whole thing. And you know, Brady made
the point, you know, last week when we were talking
on our show Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
during the week that look, if pens if the college
football playoff had been around this expanded version, Penn State
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would have made it like the last six years or
whatever it was, like, they would have made it a lot.
And so I just think that door has opened up
the possibility for all sorts of fun and chaos that
we get towards the end of the season. So maybe
these week one losses aren't as bad as maybe what
we're used to in years.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
All, but the stakes are still high, right, Like you're
trying to get again into the playoffs for one, then
you're also trying to get a bye week. You're also
trying to get a home game, So the stakes are high.
And listen, I think with expanding the playoff bracket and
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also growing these these these major conferences, the stakes go
up in terms of what success looks like. The success
is still the same. It's winning. It's winning more than
anybody else in your your conference. But with that being said,
you have so many new characters that have been introduced
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to everything that's going on. So to me, when when
we look at the breakdown of what this season looks
like and how it may or may not play out,
I don't think anybody can actually realistically come up with
a prognosis prognostication of what's going to take place with
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with uh, with what we got going on with this team,
so or with these teams, you go, well, it's you
tear me up. Oh I'm sorry about that, all right, Yeah,
it's all right. I'm not the best concentrator when I
hear other things. That's all right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So I just look at it and I go, yeah,
there could be some different conversations we're having towards the
end and at the end of the year, but you know,
the same conversation we're always having.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
George is pretty good. They were pretty good, like.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And I just it's funny because Florida State plays later
on tonight, and we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where look, Florida State.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Can complain about not getting into the playoff last year
all they won. Georgia's lost one game in over one
thousand days. Like that is a dominant college football program
who gave Clemson a beating over the weekend. Like their
ability to just like roll out great talent and for
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Kirby Smart to just roll out a juggernaut every single
year at Georgia really says something like they're the new Alabama.
It almost feels like like they were even before Alabama was.
And I know Alabama beat them in the SEC title
game last year, But what he's got that program doing,
and you see that in comparison to where Dabos Swiney's
got Clemson and just his pushback on nil and this
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new college football it's two completely different futures.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It looks like for both of those. Oh well, and
it played out in a game, right, I mean they
rolled them up. They rolled them boys, good man. I
mean they beat them up like they weren't a superpower
at some point in time. And I thought the Miami
Florida game was super entertaining. I thought that was super fun.
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What does that represent? They got a quarterback in Miami,
they went into Gainesville and random boys, I Mario Cristobal
doing the gator chomp breaking it over to me. Well,
you know he played for Miami.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Like I think they hadn't won it in Gainesville in
like twenty eight years or something like that, like it
had been a long time since it went up there
and got to win. And then for Florida, Billy Napier.
I mean, look, I will never call and say somebody
should lose their job or a coach should be fired.
I'll never do that because I've been fired in radio
and let go. It sucks, So I'll never do that.
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I'll just say this, It does feel like Billy Napier's
up against it this year at Florida. He came in
the year they were sub five hundred. I'm gonna rattle
off to you the schedule in November for the Florida
Gators and Labar you tell me how how this says.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's the one of the hardest, if not the hardest,
It's like one of the hardest I've ever seen in
my life.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So to start off the month of November, they've got Georgia,
then they're at Texas, They've got LSU at home, then
Ole miss and then at Florida State to wrap up
the year. Now before I mean there's a road game
against Tennessee as well too, who the hell knows.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
What you know, what they've got, you know at.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Mississippi, like they're Florida and Billy Napier feel like that
was a big one to lose the first week of
the season because if you just look at that gauntlet
down the stretch, I mean, you're probably gonna lose at
least a couple of those, if not all of those.
And now you couple that with the performance in Week one,
and yeah, week ones maybe don't have the impact from
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a college football playoffs standpoint that maybe they once did
just because of the expanded playoffs, but that loss for
Florida feels like that could be factored in down the
stretch with the struggles.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Of course, it's going to be fair. I mean they
lost to Miami. Bro like that. You can't lose to Miami.
If you're in Florida, you and you're a Florida team,
you can't lose to another Florida team. It just hurts
you in recruiting. But there's there's a obviously there's a
tradition connected to that, you know, to the to the
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there's somewhat of a rivalry that's between Miami and and
you know, against the Florida Gators. I just to men
to me, I think it's going to be hard for
Florida to thrive. And in this this scenario, I think
it's going to be hard for Dabo Sweeney like it
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could be it for him. I mean, it's just there
are again with all of the excitement that comes with
this new season and knowing that the playoff is wide open.
Now it is wide open for business. That wide openness
is going to cost some people their jobs because how
were you not able to connect? How were you not
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able to get us in to the playoffs when they
expanded the field? Yeah, now I'm looking for now that
opens up the gate for the best coaches to get
picked up by these schools that feel as though they
have the type of they had, the type of players
that can get them into the playoffs. They just need
a coach.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Devo Swinney seems like a guy, and I could be
totally misreading this, but he strikes me as a guy
who's just kind of like, I'll do the best I can,
but eh, whatever, Like almost like, look, this the game
is completely changed. I don't like what this is now.
And he's trying to say all the right things, like
he was talking recently and just saying, how look, I've
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had a lot of opportunities to go either places. There's
a lot of people who throughout the Alabama name out
there because I played at Alabama, would I be a
successor to Nick Saban? But you know, there's no better
place or no better person to lead Clemson right now
in this area than me. You know, I don't talk
about all these other opportunities, but like when you come
out afterwards and say, you know, I've had all these
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opportunities to go either places and I haven't left. And
then you're on a coaches show this offseason and a
guy calls in and starts giving you a hard time
about your lack of success recently with the amount of
money that you make, and he says, look, if they're
not happy with me here, they can tell me to
go at any time, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Like if they're not, like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Basically just saying, look, I've I've brought this program to relevancy.
I should be appreciated for it. And if that's not
the case, screw it, Like I'll just go elsewhere. It
feels like somebody who's I don't want to say on
a well just kind of like, listen, we're up against it.
I don't know that we can find a way out
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of this, and we feel like we're falling further and
further back, and maybe at some point it's just going
to be time to go our separate ways. Like he's
done everything he could, Like Clemson is relevant because of
Davos Swinny, Like they were in a really rough spot
when he got there. I can remember working in South
Carolina doing radio out there, and the conversation about Davos
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Swinny back then as opposed to what it was, you know,
ten years later, completely different, And maybe there is something
to the fact that he didn't want to be the
successor to Nick Saban because look, Kitlin, Debor and Alabama
was a little slowerly on, but then they, you know,
put together a hell of a performance over the weekend.
But maybe Davoswenny does look at it and go, I
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don't want to be the successor to Saban, but I'm
not close minded to being the successor to the successor.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Maybe that's a little bit easier. That is easier, like,
you know, unless the successor is somebody that ends up winning,
like right, and then Ryan Day isn't the easiest guy
to success you know what I mean to Urban Meyer,
I mean, it could it could all work against you.
It could all work against you. You got a great situation
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at Clemson. You just you know, you got to be
a able to adapt, adapt and adjust to the times.
And I think that that's ultimately what it comes down
to for every program at the power five level, you're
going to have to adapt into adjust to what this
new NIL era has has introduced to college football. Yeah,
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but it's great to have college football back. I'll tell
you that. It definitely is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey, give me your give me your weather delays. All
you want, Mother nature just kicking us in the nuts
in Morgantown, and it was awesome to watch, Like there
I think there was like there was potentially a tornado
that was gonna oh my guess, just so awesome, like
you just saw the clouds.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was just this. I'm a weather nerd.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I love this stuff, and it just it's it's it's
the symbol of football season being here. I've already said it.
There's going to be a game delayed because of weather
this weekend in the NFL. I'll call my shot right now.
What are the Dolphins playing the Jaguars. Not a shot
in hell that game gets through without there being one
weather delay, lightning, thunder, all that fun stuff with week
one of the football season. By the way, if you
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Pros and a Cup of Joe every single weekday morning.
And we've talked about this new kickoff that the NFL
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I come up with that they you know, threw in
during the preseason to try and increase returns, and it's
basically going to turn into teams are just going to
kick the ball out of the end zone if your
starting position is like the twenty eight yard line, and
if you kick it out of the end zone, you
don't have to worry about a return and teams are
just going to get it at the thirty yard line.
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What's the difference. It's like a yard and a half
depending on the numbers and what you look at. And
so one somebody who is not a big fan of
one aspect to the kickoff is Bill Cower. Bill Cower
was speaking with CBS Sports recently and he was talking
about the surprise on side kick. How look, that was
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part of what they used in.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, your favorite super Bowl of all time, LeVar
the Neil O'Donnell super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's the one super.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Bowl thirty in Arizona where where he basically got was
it Larry Brown? He basically got him a big time
contract from the Raiders because he was just a game
I think probably I think you did. Yeah, that was,
by the way, that was the last super Bowl for
that Cowboy team. Four was that ninety four ninety six
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last super Bowl for that Cowboy team. And so Bill
Coward just spoke about, you know, he didn't like the
fact that the surprise on side kick is now gone,
Like if you've got to let everybody know if you're
going to be doing an on side kick, it all that.
I just I look at it and I go I
was all four returns and I don't ever want to
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see the kickoff go away from the NFL, and I
know people go, well, it's kind of a waste to play,
why don't you just start? And all it is is,
you know, kind of a ceremony you'll play at this
point in time. But based on what we've seen of
it thus far, it sucks. Like and if one of
the drawbacks of that is also that now you're going
to lose the surprise on side kick with the season
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right around the corner, I just forget it, and I go, man,
maybe I'll be proven wrong, but from what I've seen it,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Look like football.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There was a point in one game this preseason where
I didn't even know who was getting the ball, Like
I'm looking at it, going wait, so who's kicking?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Who's doing?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like just the whole lineup, the formation is weird. The
surprise on side kick is gone. To Bill Cower's point,
and I just wonder, at some point or another, it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Look fine in college football. I look fine in high
school football. I just really did. There were returns that
took place. I just you know, what are you doing?
And like, at some point you got to get to
the point where you're like, what are you doing? You know,
what are you doing? Brady made the point. Belichick has
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made this point.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know, why don't you just move the kickers back, like,
you know, have them kick off from farther back the
twenty five or you know, the twenty wherever it is.
I mean, the way these guys are kicking balls now,
like if you can kick it out of the end
zone at that point.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Only problem, the only problem with that is is how
do you kick an onside? Do you because I don't
think you moved back the coverage, do you do you
move back to coverage?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, well, so the on side kick would be the
same way you would do the on side kick. You
would just be farther back from where the kicking point is.
Oh so you're going to do ten yards from where
the kicking point is. Yeah, so you're going to move
the coverage guys back as well. Yeah, so you would
like and that way you would open up the surprise
on side would come back like it would.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
If you mess up that on side, that's definitely big time.
Oh yeah, it's a real problem. But that's the it's
a risky play. Like you're you're trying to get the
ball back, and if you don't get the ball back,
you're gonna suffer because they'll recover and it's going to
be deep in your own territory on top of it.
By by that point, I mean, you know, if it's
a if it's a planned on side, what does it
matter because you were losing the game anyways. But if
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it was a surprise on side and you don't recover it, yeah,
to your point, you're screwed. But it's a risky play.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It was risky when Coward did it with the Steelers,
it was risky when the Saints did it. And there's
Super Bowl against the Colts, Like, that's a risky play.
But that plays not even a part of this, And
I was okay with that, Like, all right, listen, it's
not the greatest in the world, but if it means
more returns overall, then whatever. There's a surprise on say
kick what a handful of times each season, big deal.
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But now that I've seen what it is, there's got
to be a better way. This just doesn't This doesn't work, man,
Like it looks terrible. I told you, I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I feel like it's too gimmicky. I know that there's
this continued commitment to making the game, to making the
game safer and doing all of the things that need
to be done making the game safer. It just it
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just at some point, how do you how do you
continue to legislate the game where you're making it safer
to benefit the players by it being safer, but you're
compromising the game like That's and I think it's a
hard question. It's not an easy question to answer because
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you're looking at how real some of these injuries are,
the CTE deal that that players deal with. I was
just watching a documentary on on Aaron Hernandez another one.
They said his hit was so jacked up when they
looked at his brain. I just, you know, to me,
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I get the realities that are surfacing surrounding the health
of some of these guys who play the game. So
I think that it makes it a very very difficult
at times, a difficult spot to be in if you're
trying to create a safer environment but still keep the
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sport entertaining, especially when they've come under as much fire
and as scrutiny as they did. When the Concussion movie
came out, everybody started trying to, you know, really villainize
what football represented. I mean, football has gone through a lot,
and so to me, I think that we've always seen
the NFL be very proactive in how the public reacts
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to what's going on out there, and I think they've
continued to try to make the game safer ever since
this whole concussion's epidemic and then the rising of CTE
and all those things.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's like I look at it like this, kids shouldn't
play with knives. Well, there's a reason why we still
have knives in our house because it doesn't mean that
I stopped playing with them. Like I have to cut
my steak, I'm going to use a knife. Like if
I have to cut, I'm going to use a knife,
but my son's not going to It's like you just
understand that certain people can and certain people can't. And
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the way I look at it, and especially doing a
show with you and Brady Quinn, I always look at
it like this, you guys can do what ninety nine
percent of the public can't. I played high school football.
I was atrocious. I recognized early, Oh I'm just not
built for this not happening like it was what it was.
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And I think at a certain point, you either you
accept the terms and conditions that come with the job
and you accept the terms and conditions that come with Look,
it's a dangerous sport. They're dangerous. Things are going to happen.
It's sanctioned violence. And for you understand that, there's going
to be things that happen that aren't planned. There's going
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to be injuries, there's injuries in practice, whatnot. But you
can't just make it all the way safe, like you
can't just like the guardian caps on the helmets in
practice like they've done as much as they can. If
you're trying to get rid of collisions in the sport,
which is what the kickoff was, then we're talking about
a completely different sport, are we not.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, who we are, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Think that, Yeah, I think the NFL is in a
hard spot. They're trying to expand games, they're trying to
expand the borders of the game. I mean, I haven't
seen any tragic injuries take place so far, not in college,
not not here. I don't know that that's true. I
didn't see every game, but I haven't seen any catastrophic
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injuries really take place. I mean, I guess we'll start
to see how it's going to go down this week.
But you know, like and sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Max Johnson the quarterback for North Carolina, so he suffered
the broken leg. Brad Johnson's son, Ye, I'll bet if
you asked him, do you regret playing? Hell, No, it's
part of like it comes with it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I just I think they're a broken bone stuff
like that. That's you know, I think people can stomach that.
I think what scares people the most is the brain.
I just really think, like, that's that's what parents are thinking,
that's what moms are thinking, that's what former players are thinking.
They're thinking about the brain. And to me, I think
(27:04):
that's a legitimate concern to have when thinking about the game.
But with that being said, I think that instead of
trying to create so many plays that take away the
physicality of the game, just place more of a premium
on doing things the right way. I mean, don't be hypocritical.
I see some things that take place on the field.
(27:26):
If it was really about protecting in the safety of
some of these guys or these guys out here on
the field, you wouldn't allow for some of the things
that are done to be done. You know, the way
some of these offensive linemen block. It's not okay. The
fact that offensive player can grab a guy's face mask
and stiff arm the hell out of them and it's
(27:49):
considered to be a face mask if the defender does it.
If you touch a quarterback's face mask on defense, it's
a fifteen yard that's penalty. That's like the grazing of
the fight. I just think that there's some things that
they There is a double standard that is obviously there,
(28:09):
and I don't understand why there's a double standard there.
If you're really indeed trying to make the game a
safer game, guys holding guys the way that they're holding
them these days, it's not making it a safer game.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Okay, do you remember, and this is putting you on
the spot, but do you remember the worst call you
ever called for? Like was there, like you got called
for a personal fight?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I know I got fine, and it was the worst
finding that I had got. I hit Brad Johnson in
a preseason game and I think I cracked his ribs
and they find me fifteen g's after the game. I
didn't get I don't believe I got a penalty. It
was a legal hit. I just I hit him I
(28:52):
mean I got all of him cause he was releasing
the ball. Yeah. Yeah, Oh I got him. I got
him good. So what was the fine for I hit
him too hard? Yeah, And that was what I got fined.
And I generally the fines that I was getting was
that I was hitting dudes too hard. I was hitting
(29:14):
I was out there hitting guys. I was bodying them
like some guys say they was bodying them. I was
really bodying dudes, and I was getting fined for it,
like fifteen thousand, like that's unnecessary roughness or whatever whatever
it is. They were finding me fifteen g's. I remember
one year, I was the highest fine guy until the
crackback block or the hit on a quarterback by Hugh
(29:39):
Douglas got him all in one swea against Chicago. It
made him the highest fine dude in the league off
of that one play. Up until then, based off of
the way I was playing, I was the highest fine dude.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So what does that look like? You get every every week?
You just get with like a fat X envelope and yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And they've already taken it from in your check. It's
very very disturbing. It's it's it's it's upsetting, it's disturbing.
It's just it's not cool at all the way they
do it, and you gotta appeal it. You appeal it,
but it's just kind of like, okay, y'all up to
like thirty forty fifty sixty g's on me right now.
We're like, oh, it goes to a charity, Like yeah,
(30:19):
but oh it goes to the charity of I think
they said either your choice. Yeah, Paul tagged his back pocket.
I mean, whatever it is, I mean sixty some Gee's man,
how much did you get? How much you get fined
in your career? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No? Hey, hey bo, can we look that up? Can
you find can you google search how much LeVar Arrington
was fined? Because whatever it was that exists, it's gotta
be like there's a there's a number on everything, because
whatever it was, I don't think it was enough based
on the way I think it's reckless, the way he's
talking about some of these players. He bodied tired of
this crap, and I refuse to let Hugh Douglass be
the more fine player over LeVar Arrington. So we could
(30:57):
find out how much you've been fined. If I got
fined fifty teen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I bump those numbers up.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Those are rookie. I'll tell you something.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
If I get if like Scott Shapiro or Don Martin
called me and said, hey, we're finding you fifteen thousand dollars,
I'd literally like sell all my son's toys and just
empty out.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh. I like he would come home to nothing, nothing
because of you. Yeah, fifteen g I gotta get that
money back. So you're gonna punish your kid, Why don't
you get rid of that truck. That truck ain't worth
fifty Your toys worth more than them. By the way,
I'd put a twenty dollar bill in the dash to
try and get somebody to take that truck. Nobody will
(31:34):
take it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So like, yeah, there's nothing, you know. It's just like
that's that's got to be a demoralizing feeling. You go
out there, you play your ass off, and then all
of a sudden you get noticed. Oh, by the way,
your check's gonna be a little lighter this week.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That sucks. Also, how many Aaron Hernandez documentaries have There
been a lot? Like, there's a lot, And I think
there's a lot because there are to me. They feel
like there's more pieces of the puzzle that are coming
out as as to why things went the way that
they went or how they happened. I guess because they
(32:08):
this last one, this last one that I looked at,
really went into is like his sexuality and and that
that whole idea, and him struggling with his you know,
identity and you know, acting out and all kinds of
different things. I mean, they were really trying to paint
them in a very very when you have a little
(32:28):
bit of sympathies or empathy for someone, they tried to
make them a sympathetic figure. In the one. All right,
it was on it was on television. It's playing on
like ID or something like that. I was watching it.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, I was just gonna say, do you think there's
more Pete Rose documentaries or more Aaron Hernandez documentaries?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Ohrnandez. I think it's Hernandez Hernandez At this point. I
think Pete Rose can catch up, though maybe there is
a new one out on him. What is it? Like
the kid called Billy or something like that. What was it?
It was something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I know you it's called Casino. That's yeah, I've
seen that movie before. Pete Pete Rose could have been
in that movie. I mean, what was his name, Joe Pesci, Yeah,
you know, I mean Pete Rose.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I mean, either one of them could have played that.
That's that's fun, you know. Oh yeah, the the Aaron Hernandez.
I mean I just I look at him. They're trying
to put it on ct though. I mean, they are
trying to put what he was doing. They're trying to
put that on CTV. I mean a lot of a
lot of people have played football. There's not a lot
(33:39):
that have, you know, murdered people, you know, and have
a violent past. Yeah, like that, Like that dude was
going all in.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like I haven't seen the documentary we were talking about
Florida and Billy and Apier being maybe in some trouble
there in Gainesville. I haven't seen the Netflix on the
Florida Gators, but I heard it's good. It's good, yeah,
because that was a wild team with Aaron Hernandez on it. Yeah,
so uh yeah, I mean listen, uh, NFL you get
to pick, pick what you're gonna pick, do what you're
(34:11):
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Speaker 2 (35:08):
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(35:28):
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Speaker 7 (35:48):
No, no, this is the herd Line News, all right,
Bo Benson, What do we got ahead of a Thursday's
NFL kickoff game between the Baltimore Ravens and the defending
champion Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Ravens kicker Justin Tucker chose not to readdress the incident
that took place between him and some Chiefs players, notably
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey, moving his equipment during warm
ups last year before the AFC Championship game, telling reporters
that all I'll say about it is I'm excited to
go into a great environment, play against a great football
team with great players, great coaches, and do everything I
(36:23):
can to prepare myself to be ready to contribute to
the Ravens winning a football game. And that's all I've
got to say about it.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean, it's the greatest of all time to ever
do it at his position. Justin Tucker deserves respect instead
the Chiefs bullied him last year.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
He's a kicker, Damn how many how much trash talk
can you do as a kicker? Yeah, I'm just saying,
what else is he going to say? I'm going out
there to take hads. You didn't know a kicker that
could throw down? You may just I got grabbed by
my face masking by Miami kicker un because I was
(36:59):
beaten up eating up punters. I don't remember Todd Sowerbrun,
I don't know. I wasn't Todd. I don't remember his name.
But he grabbed my face mask and start doing the
lights out on my face mask. I had to put
my hands up because I was hitting. I was assassinating punters.
So at this point the referees were watching me. So
(37:21):
when I went when I ran up, I wasn't even
going to hit him. He runs over to me, grabs
me by my face mask and starts shaking my face mask.
So there is that, I mean, there is the chance
that a punter could actually try to, you know, use
martial law or something loud like that out there on
the You.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
See, I would have had you find just for forcing
a punter to act so crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I was in college. You couldn't find me. Yeah, but
I'm with you. I was acting bad towards punters and
maybe a national bad guy. By the way. I was
like a media sweetheart and after that term into a
media Yeah, I was an enemy, an evil guy, a.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Billing by the way. But did we find out the
total number of fines from now?
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You cannot find it from the internet. There you go. Yeah,
it was a lot. It's like fifty sixty grand. She is,
that's like five of my trucks. Bro I was reading
up man. I was upset. I was not happy about it.
It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
It's unfortunately scroll what else we got in? Battled Florida
coach Billy Napier. He took some shots at certain fans
after the gators forty one seventeen loss to Miami and
the swamp on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
We got to go to work on the football part,
you know, and I think we got to get more.
We've got to become a more consistent team, and we
have to execute better. And if we can focus on
those things and not necessarily what some guy in his
basement saying and you know, rural Central Florida on social media,
then we got a chance to get better. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
So yeah, listen, coach, let's go ahead and take a
gander at that November schedule and you know, just start
start thinking about what's next, because it does feel like
at an SEC school, like there's zero patients. They do
not tolerate losing, and they do not tolerate losing consistently
at an SEC school already sub five hundred coming into
(39:22):
the year as well too.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It is right though, it do beat them. Pajama you know,
wonderous cereal eating mom, where's my meat? Low dude, that'd
be sitting there talking the craziest head on social media though.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
One of my favorite Brady Quinn's stories doing the show
with him during COVID everybody was working from home and
so somebody made a comment on Twitter or something like
that because that was back what it was called Twitter,
and Brady gave his standard along those same lines, Well,
that's just you know, some guys sitting in his mom's
basement doing blah blah blah blah blah. And the best
(39:58):
part of that all that was because, as it was covid,
I was actually doing the show from my mom's garage,
literally from my mom's garage, and he said, well, you
know what I meant. I was like, that's fine, but yeah,
it is those same people who've got you know, oatmeal
spilled all over their shirt, and.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
They make the mistake every once in a while of
actually letting one of them on a big show. What
a tremendously large platform. By the way, and his name
is Jonas damn at WK.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Hey, isn't the Kobayashi Joey Chestnut battle today and that
happening today? I think it is. I think it's coming
up very soon. They're gonna need any food today. Oh yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I'm going to go get checked out tomorrow, going under center,
check my oil levels, if you know what I mean,
make sure everything all systems is go. I'm going to
see LeVar Warring one one sock tomorrow now you know
why bye y'all. I mean we can stay here, Yeah,
(41:04):
we can stay. I can stay how long y'all want
to stay for? You want to stay for an extra minute? Extra? Yeah?
An extra minute of content? Hell? Yeah? I mean I
got something left in me. Yeah, I mean maybe maybe
not after tomorrow, after I go get my little check up.
But you know, but what else we got to close
(41:25):
up the show?
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Yeah? Drawd Mayo found the most convoluted way to say
that Drake may is the backup, saying that if Jacoby
Brissett gets hurt, Drake may is one thousand percent the
next guy in. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Clear. I thought talking about what I had going on
was way more interesting than that that would just bought up.
I'll tell you that in your back porch clean yeah, man,
it's not getting clean. They're just going to make sure
that the move all the furniture, make sure everything is good.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
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Speaker 3 (00:59):
So, we do have one game.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Left in the Labor Day weekend extravagance of college football
coming up later on tonight.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Florida State. Everybody's favorite cry baby.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Is back, they will be on display against Boston College.
That game will kick off seven thirty Eastern time. And
if you've got Direct TV, good luck, good luck, because
they are in the midst of a battle our Direct
(01:30):
TV and Disney, as I'm sure many people found out
trying to watch opened last night. So yeah, look, you
know they're a little fight, a little back and forth
for control. But we started off the show talking about
USC's big win over LSU. Big win, you know, kind
of different looking USC than what we've seen in years past,
(01:51):
but the same but the same old LSU that we've
seen in years past, which is.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A problem losing Week one. Brian Kelly frustrated, pounding the table.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Afterwards, just really upset about, you know, his team losing
that game, a game they.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Felt like they should have won.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now that being said, if you just look at the
weekend in college football as a whole, it gave you
everything you've come to know about week one and love
about Week one in college football. You add sloppy play,
maybe some unexpected results the underdogs with a fantastic week
(02:28):
For those of you that like to go to the
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the underdogs did really really well. The unders on the
point totals did really really well. Jared Smith, Fox Sports
radio host gave you that information over the weekend. So
good weekend for the unders. Good weekend for the underdogs.
You got to see a lot of mistakes being made.
(02:50):
You got to see weather have an impact Penn State
and West Virginia. That was wild to see it two unbelievable.
So it's like we got to see everything that Week
one in college football offers, and it it just goes
back to the conversation about, look, if you're not gonna
have preseason games, I do give credit to all of
(03:15):
these schools that take on legitimate opponents. I don't care
if it's neutral site, I don't care whatever it is,
like Penn State going to Morgantown.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
That's not an easy game, especially Week one.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
And so whenever there's a team that schedules a quote
unquote cupcake or schedules somebody from a lower division or
something like that week one, I'm never judgmental of it
because I always look at it and go probably the
smart play considering all of the other factors that come
up when you haven't played a game.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
In months, Notre Dame went into College Station. It's a
big win. Hell yeah, hell yeah. I mean just watching
college football this weekend and seeing some of these major
matchups LSU, usc A and M and Notre Dame, you know,
Penn State and West Virginia. I mean I was texting
(04:06):
you guys, you and Q that was funny that linerd
and in urban chose West Virginia to win and by
like large margins too. You know, It's kind of like
I like it when you have a Week one where
you just you have games where you just do not
know who's going to win and who's going to lose.
(04:27):
I like when you have both ranked teams, teams that
are coming into Week one, that both have rankings in
the top twenty five. I like those games. I just
I like seeing I like seeing the underdogs play well,
play hard. I mean, Hawaii, I didn't get a chance
to really see it, but just watching the updates on
(04:49):
the game, I mean, that was that was pretty interesting.
You know, there weren't too many other upsets that took
place in the top twenty five, unless it as a
top twenty five team that they were playing against. But
I didn't see many too many, you know, too many
underdogs winning it. Yeah, but I really like this this
(05:12):
year's I feel like the energy surrounding this year season
is a lot higher, It's a lot more electric because
of the stimulation from expanding the playoff, the playoff bracket.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I also wonder that as well too. Maybe we're more
conditioned to look at a team losing Week one in
college football and being like, oh God, that's it, Like
you lose one game, like now you're really up against it.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Where with the.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Expanded playoffs, now there's going to be more opportunity to
get in. Like now there's going to be better opportunities
for you to try and get in and be a
part of the whole thing. And you know, Brady made
the point, you know, last week when we were talking
on our show Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
during the week that look, if pens if the college
football playoff had been around this expanded version, Penn State
(06:00):
would have made it like the last six years or
whatever it was, like, they would have made it a lot.
And so I just think that door has opened up
the possibility for all sorts of fun and chaos that
we get towards the end of the season. So maybe
these week one losses aren't as bad as maybe what
we're used to in years.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
All, but the stakes are still high, right, Like you're
trying to get again into the playoffs for one, then
you're also trying to get a bye week. You're also
trying to get a home game, So the stakes are high.
And listen, I think with expanding the playoff bracket and
(06:39):
also growing these these these major conferences, the stakes go
up in terms of what success looks like. The success
is still the same. It's winning. It's winning more than
anybody else in your your conference. But with that being said,
you have so many new characters that have been introduced
(07:00):
to everything that's going on. So to me, when when
we look at the breakdown of what this season looks
like and how it may or may not play out,
I don't think anybody can actually realistically come up with
a prognosis prognostication of what's going to take place with
(07:24):
with uh, with what we got going on with this team,
so or with these teams, you go, well, it's you
tear me up. Oh I'm sorry about that, all right, Yeah,
it's all right. I'm not the best concentrator when I
hear other things. That's all right.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So I just look at it and I go, yeah,
there could be some different conversations we're having towards the
end and at the end of the year, but you know,
the same conversation we're always having.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
George is pretty good. They were pretty good, like.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And I just it's funny because Florida State plays later
on tonight, and we've talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Where look, Florida State.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Can complain about not getting into the playoff last year
all they won. Georgia's lost one game in over one
thousand days. Like that is a dominant college football program
who gave Clemson a beating over the weekend. Like their
ability to just like roll out great talent and for
(08:21):
Kirby Smart to just roll out a juggernaut every single
year at Georgia really says something like they're the new Alabama.
It almost feels like like they were even before Alabama was.
And I know Alabama beat them in the SEC title
game last year, But what he's got that program doing,
and you see that in comparison to where Dabos Swiney's
got Clemson and just his pushback on nil and this
(08:43):
new college football it's two completely different futures.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
It looks like for both of those. Oh well, and
it played out in a game, right, I mean they
rolled them up. They rolled them boys, good man. I
mean they beat them up like they weren't a superpower
at some point in time. And I thought the Miami
Florida game was super entertaining. I thought that was super fun.
(09:08):
What does that represent? They got a quarterback in Miami,
they went into Gainesville and random boys, I Mario Cristobal
doing the gator chomp breaking it over to me. Well,
you know he played for Miami.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Like I think they hadn't won it in Gainesville in
like twenty eight years or something like that, like it
had been a long time since it went up there
and got to win. And then for Florida, Billy Napier.
I mean, look, I will never call and say somebody
should lose their job or a coach should be fired.
I'll never do that because I've been fired in radio
and let go. It sucks, So I'll never do that.
(09:42):
I'll just say this, It does feel like Billy Napier's
up against it this year at Florida. He came in
the year they were sub five hundred. I'm gonna rattle
off to you the schedule in November for the Florida
Gators and Labar you tell me how how this says.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It's the one of the hardest, if not the hardest,
It's like one of the hardest I've ever seen in
my life.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
So to start off the month of November, they've got Georgia,
then they're at Texas, They've got LSU at home, then
Ole miss and then at Florida State to wrap up
the year. Now before I mean there's a road game
against Tennessee as well too, who the hell knows.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
What you know, what they've got, you know at.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Mississippi, like they're Florida and Billy Napier feel like that
was a big one to lose the first week of
the season because if you just look at that gauntlet
down the stretch, I mean, you're probably gonna lose at
least a couple of those, if not all of those.
And now you couple that with the performance in Week one,
and yeah, week ones maybe don't have the impact from
(10:45):
a college football playoffs standpoint that maybe they once did
just because of the expanded playoffs, but that loss for
Florida feels like that could be factored in down the
stretch with the struggles.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Of course, it's going to be fair. I mean they
lost to Miami. Bro like that. You can't lose to Miami.
If you're in Florida, you and you're a Florida team,
you can't lose to another Florida team. It just hurts
you in recruiting. But there's there's a obviously there's a
tradition connected to that, you know, to the to the
(11:20):
there's somewhat of a rivalry that's between Miami and and
you know, against the Florida Gators. I just to men
to me, I think it's going to be hard for
Florida to thrive. And in this this scenario, I think
it's going to be hard for Dabo Sweeney like it
(11:41):
could be it for him. I mean, it's just there
are again with all of the excitement that comes with
this new season and knowing that the playoff is wide open.
Now it is wide open for business. That wide openness
is going to cost some people their jobs because how
were you not able to connect? How were you not
(12:03):
able to get us in to the playoffs when they
expanded the field? Yeah, now I'm looking for now that
opens up the gate for the best coaches to get
picked up by these schools that feel as though they
have the type of they had, the type of players
that can get them into the playoffs. They just need
a coach.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Devo Swinney seems like a guy, and I could be
totally misreading this, but he strikes me as a guy
who's just kind of like, I'll do the best I can,
but eh, whatever, Like almost like, look, this the game
is completely changed. I don't like what this is now.
And he's trying to say all the right things, like
he was talking recently and just saying, how look, I've
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had a lot of opportunities to go either places. There's
a lot of people who throughout the Alabama name out
there because I played at Alabama, would I be a
successor to Nick Saban? But you know, there's no better
place or no better person to lead Clemson right now
in this area than me. You know, I don't talk
about all these other opportunities, but like when you come
out afterwards and say, you know, I've had all these
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opportunities to go either places and I haven't left. And
then you're on a coaches show this offseason and a
guy calls in and starts giving you a hard time
about your lack of success recently with the amount of
money that you make, and he says, look, if they're
not happy with me here, they can tell me to
go at any time, that's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Like if they're not, like.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Basically just saying, look, I've I've brought this program to relevancy.
I should be appreciated for it. And if that's not
the case, screw it, Like I'll just go elsewhere. It
feels like somebody who's I don't want to say on
a well just kind of like, listen, we're up against it.
I don't know that we can find a way out
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of this, and we feel like we're falling further and
further back, and maybe at some point it's just going
to be time to go our separate ways. Like he's
done everything he could, Like Clemson is relevant because of
Davos Swinny, Like they were in a really rough spot
when he got there. I can remember working in South
Carolina doing radio out there, and the conversation about Davos
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Swinny back then as opposed to what it was, you know,
ten years later, completely different, And maybe there is something
to the fact that he didn't want to be the
successor to Nick Saban because look, Kitlin, Debor and Alabama
was a little slowerly on, but then they, you know,
put together a hell of a performance over the weekend.
But maybe Davoswenny does look at it and go, I
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don't want to be the successor to Saban, but I'm
not close minded to being the successor to the successor.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Maybe that's a little bit easier. That is easier, like,
you know, unless the successor is somebody that ends up winning,
like right, and then Ryan Day isn't the easiest guy
to success you know what I mean to Urban Meyer,
I mean, it could it could all work against you.
It could all work against you. You got a great situation
(14:56):
at Clemson. You just you know, you got to be
a able to adapt, adapt and adjust to the times.
And I think that that's ultimately what it comes down
to for every program at the power five level, you're
going to have to adapt into adjust to what this
new NIL era has has introduced to college football. Yeah,
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but it's great to have college football back. I'll tell
you that. It definitely is.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Hey, give me your give me your weather delays. All
you want, Mother nature just kicking us in the nuts
in Morgantown, and it was awesome to watch, Like there
I think there was like there was potentially a tornado
that was gonna oh my guess, just so awesome, like
you just saw the clouds.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
It was just this. I'm a weather nerd.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I love this stuff, and it just it's it's it's
the symbol of football season being here. I've already said it.
There's going to be a game delayed because of weather
this weekend in the NFL. I'll call my shot right now.
What are the Dolphins playing the Jaguars. Not a shot
in hell that game gets through without there being one
weather delay, lightning, thunder, all that fun stuff with week
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Pros and a Cup of Joe every single weekday morning.
And we've talked about this new kickoff that the NFL
(18:00):
I come up with that they you know, threw in
during the preseason to try and increase returns, and it's
basically going to turn into teams are just going to
kick the ball out of the end zone if your
starting position is like the twenty eight yard line, and
if you kick it out of the end zone, you
don't have to worry about a return and teams are
just going to get it at the thirty yard line.
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What's the difference. It's like a yard and a half
depending on the numbers and what you look at. And
so one somebody who is not a big fan of
one aspect to the kickoff is Bill Cower. Bill Cower
was speaking with CBS Sports recently and he was talking
about the surprise on side kick. How look, that was
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part of what they used in.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
The Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, your favorite super Bowl of all time, LeVar
the Neil O'Donnell super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
That's the one super.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Bowl thirty in Arizona where where he basically got was
it Larry Brown? He basically got him a big time
contract from the Raiders because he was just a game
I think probably I think you did. Yeah, that was,
by the way, that was the last super Bowl for
that Cowboy team. Four was that ninety four ninety six
(19:09):
last super Bowl for that Cowboy team. And so Bill
Coward just spoke about, you know, he didn't like the
fact that the surprise on side kick is now gone,
Like if you've got to let everybody know if you're
going to be doing an on side kick, it all that.
I just I look at it and I go I
was all four returns and I don't ever want to
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see the kickoff go away from the NFL, and I
know people go, well, it's kind of a waste to play,
why don't you just start? And all it is is,
you know, kind of a ceremony you'll play at this
point in time. But based on what we've seen of
it thus far, it sucks. Like and if one of
the drawbacks of that is also that now you're going
to lose the surprise on side kick with the season
(19:53):
right around the corner, I just forget it, and I go, man,
maybe I'll be proven wrong, but from what I've seen it,
it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Look like football.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There was a point in one game this preseason where
I didn't even know who was getting the ball, Like
I'm looking at it, going wait, so who's kicking?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Who's doing?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like just the whole lineup, the formation is weird. The
surprise on side kick is gone. To Bill Cower's point,
and I just wonder, at some point or another, it.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Look fine in college football. I look fine in high
school football. I just really did. There were returns that
took place. I just you know, what are you doing?
And like, at some point you got to get to
the point where you're like, what are you doing? You know,
what are you doing? Brady made the point. Belichick has
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made this point.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You know, why don't you just move the kickers back, like,
you know, have them kick off from farther back the
twenty five or you know, the twenty wherever it is.
I mean, the way these guys are kicking balls now,
like if you can kick it out of the end
zone at that point.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Only problem, the only problem with that is is how
do you kick an onside? Do you because I don't
think you moved back the coverage, do you do you
move back to coverage?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, well, so the on side kick would be the
same way you would do the on side kick. You
would just be farther back from where the kicking point is.
Oh so you're going to do ten yards from where
the kicking point is. Yeah, so you're going to move
the coverage guys back as well. Yeah, so you would
like and that way you would open up the surprise
on side would come back like it would.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
If you mess up that on side, that's definitely big time.
Oh yeah, it's a real problem. But that's the it's
a risky play. Like you're you're trying to get the
ball back, and if you don't get the ball back,
you're gonna suffer because they'll recover and it's going to
be deep in your own territory on top of it.
By by that point, I mean, you know, if it's
a if it's a planned on side, what does it
matter because you were losing the game anyways. But if
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it was a surprise on side and you don't recover it, yeah,
to your point, you're screwed. But it's a risky play.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
It was risky when Coward did it with the Steelers,
it was risky when the Saints did it. And there's
Super Bowl against the Colts, Like, that's a risky play.
But that plays not even a part of this, And
I was okay with that, Like, all right, listen, it's
not the greatest in the world, but if it means
more returns overall, then whatever. There's a surprise on say
kick what a handful of times each season, big deal.
(22:13):
But now that I've seen what it is, there's got
to be a better way. This just doesn't This doesn't work, man,
Like it looks terrible. I told you, I don't like it.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I feel like it's too gimmicky. I know that there's
this continued commitment to making the game, to making the
game safer and doing all of the things that need
to be done making the game safer. It just it
(22:46):
just at some point, how do you how do you
continue to legislate the game where you're making it safer
to benefit the players by it being safer, but you're
compromising the game like That's and I think it's a
hard question. It's not an easy question to answer because
(23:08):
you're looking at how real some of these injuries are,
the CTE deal that that players deal with. I was
just watching a documentary on on Aaron Hernandez another one.
They said his hit was so jacked up when they
looked at his brain. I just, you know, to me,
(23:29):
I get the realities that are surfacing surrounding the health
of some of these guys who play the game. So
I think that it makes it a very very difficult
at times, a difficult spot to be in if you're
trying to create a safer environment but still keep the
(23:51):
sport entertaining, especially when they've come under as much fire
and as scrutiny as they did. When the Concussion movie
came out, everybody started trying to, you know, really villainize
what football represented. I mean, football has gone through a lot,
and so to me, I think that we've always seen
the NFL be very proactive in how the public reacts
(24:16):
to what's going on out there, and I think they've
continued to try to make the game safer ever since
this whole concussion's epidemic and then the rising of CTE
and all those things.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It's like I look at it like this, kids shouldn't
play with knives. Well, there's a reason why we still
have knives in our house because it doesn't mean that
I stopped playing with them. Like I have to cut
my steak, I'm going to use a knife. Like if
I have to cut, I'm going to use a knife,
but my son's not going to It's like you just
understand that certain people can and certain people can't. And
(24:51):
the way I look at it, and especially doing a
show with you and Brady Quinn, I always look at
it like this, you guys can do what ninety nine
percent of the public can't. I played high school football.
I was atrocious. I recognized early, Oh I'm just not
built for this not happening like it was what it was.
(25:11):
And I think at a certain point, you either you
accept the terms and conditions that come with the job
and you accept the terms and conditions that come with Look,
it's a dangerous sport. They're dangerous. Things are going to happen.
It's sanctioned violence. And for you understand that, there's going
to be things that happen that aren't planned. There's going
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to be injuries, there's injuries in practice, whatnot. But you
can't just make it all the way safe, like you
can't just like the guardian caps on the helmets in
practice like they've done as much as they can. If
you're trying to get rid of collisions in the sport,
which is what the kickoff was, then we're talking about
a completely different sport, are we not.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, who we are, that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I just.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Think that, Yeah, I think the NFL is in a
hard spot. They're trying to expand games, they're trying to
expand the borders of the game. I mean, I haven't
seen any tragic injuries take place so far, not in college,
not not here. I don't know that that's true. I
didn't see every game, but I haven't seen any catastrophic
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injuries really take place. I mean, I guess we'll start
to see how it's going to go down this week.
But you know, like and sorry.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Max Johnson the quarterback for North Carolina, so he suffered
the broken leg. Brad Johnson's son, Ye, I'll bet if
you asked him, do you regret playing? Hell, No, it's
part of like it comes with it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, I just I think they're a broken bone stuff
like that. That's you know, I think people can stomach that.
I think what scares people the most is the brain.
I just really think, like, that's that's what parents are thinking,
that's what moms are thinking, that's what former players are thinking.
They're thinking about the brain. And to me, I think
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that's a legitimate concern to have when thinking about the game.
But with that being said, I think that instead of
trying to create so many plays that take away the
physicality of the game, just place more of a premium
on doing things the right way. I mean, don't be hypocritical.
I see some things that take place on the field.
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If it was really about protecting in the safety of
some of these guys or these guys out here on
the field, you wouldn't allow for some of the things
that are done to be done. You know, the way
some of these offensive linemen block. It's not okay. The
fact that offensive player can grab a guy's face mask
and stiff arm the hell out of them and it's
(27:49):
considered to be a face mask if the defender does it.
If you touch a quarterback's face mask on defense, it's
a fifteen yard that's penalty. That's like the grazing of
the fight. I just think that there's some things that
they There is a double standard that is obviously there,
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and I don't understand why there's a double standard there.
If you're really indeed trying to make the game a
safer game, guys holding guys the way that they're holding
them these days, it's not making it a safer game.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Okay, do you remember, and this is putting you on
the spot, but do you remember the worst call you
ever called for? Like was there, like you got called
for a personal fight?
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I know I got fine, and it was the worst
finding that I had got. I hit Brad Johnson in
a preseason game and I think I cracked his ribs
and they find me fifteen g's after the game. I
didn't get I don't believe I got a penalty. It
was a legal hit. I just I hit him I
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mean I got all of him cause he was releasing
the ball. Yeah. Yeah, Oh I got him. I got
him good. So what was the fine for I hit
him too hard? Yeah, And that was what I got fined.
And I generally the fines that I was getting was
that I was hitting dudes too hard. I was hitting
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I was out there hitting guys. I was bodying them
like some guys say they was bodying them. I was
really bodying dudes, and I was getting fined for it,
like fifteen thousand, like that's unnecessary roughness or whatever whatever
it is. They were finding me fifteen g's. I remember
one year, I was the highest fine guy until the
crackback block or the hit on a quarterback by Hugh
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Douglas got him all in one swea against Chicago. It
made him the highest fine dude in the league off
of that one play. Up until then, based off of
the way I was playing, I was the highest fine dude.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So what does that look like? You get every every week?
You just get with like a fat X envelope and yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
And they've already taken it from in your check. It's
very very disturbing. It's it's it's it's upsetting, it's disturbing.
It's just it's not cool at all the way they
do it, and you gotta appeal it. You appeal it,
but it's just kind of like, okay, y'all up to
like thirty forty fifty sixty g's on me right now.
We're like, oh, it goes to a charity, Like yeah,
(30:19):
but oh it goes to the charity of I think
they said either your choice. Yeah, Paul tagged his back pocket.
I mean, whatever it is, I mean sixty some Gee's man,
how much did you get? How much you get fined
in your career? Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
No? Hey, hey bo, can we look that up? Can
you find can you google search how much LeVar Arrington
was fined? Because whatever it was that exists, it's gotta
be like there's a there's a number on everything, because
whatever it was, I don't think it was enough based
on the way I think it's reckless, the way he's
talking about some of these players. He bodied tired of
this crap, and I refuse to let Hugh Douglass be
the more fine player over LeVar Arrington. So we could
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find out how much you've been fined. If I got
fined fifty teen thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I bump those numbers up.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Those are rookie. I'll tell you something.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
If I get if like Scott Shapiro or Don Martin
called me and said, hey, we're finding you fifteen thousand dollars,
I'd literally like sell all my son's toys and just
empty out.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh. I like he would come home to nothing, nothing
because of you. Yeah, fifteen g I gotta get that
money back. So you're gonna punish your kid, Why don't
you get rid of that truck. That truck ain't worth
fifty Your toys worth more than them. By the way,
I'd put a twenty dollar bill in the dash to
try and get somebody to take that truck. Nobody will
(31:34):
take it.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
So like, yeah, there's nothing, you know. It's just like
that's that's got to be a demoralizing feeling. You go
out there, you play your ass off, and then all
of a sudden you get noticed. Oh, by the way,
your check's gonna be a little lighter this week.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
That sucks. Also, how many Aaron Hernandez documentaries have There
been a lot? Like, there's a lot, And I think
there's a lot because there are to me. They feel
like there's more pieces of the puzzle that are coming
out as as to why things went the way that
they went or how they happened. I guess because they
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this last one, this last one that I looked at,
really went into is like his sexuality and and that
that whole idea, and him struggling with his you know,
identity and you know, acting out and all kinds of
different things. I mean, they were really trying to paint
them in a very very when you have a little
(32:28):
bit of sympathies or empathy for someone, they tried to
make them a sympathetic figure. In the one. All right,
it was on it was on television. It's playing on
like ID or something like that. I was watching it.
What is it?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
No, I was just gonna say, do you think there's
more Pete Rose documentaries or more Aaron Hernandez documentaries?
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Ohrnandez. I think it's Hernandez Hernandez At this point. I
think Pete Rose can catch up, though maybe there is
a new one out on him. What is it? Like
the kid called Billy or something like that. What was it?
It was something like that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, I know you it's called Casino. That's yeah, I've
seen that movie before. Pete Pete Rose could have been
in that movie. I mean, what was his name, Joe Pesci, Yeah,
you know, I mean Pete Rose.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I mean, either one of them could have played that.
That's that's fun, you know. Oh yeah, the the Aaron Hernandez.
I mean I just I look at him. They're trying
to put it on ct though. I mean, they are
trying to put what he was doing. They're trying to
put that on CTV. I mean a lot of a
lot of people have played football. There's not a lot
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that have, you know, murdered people, you know, and have
a violent past. Yeah, like that, Like that dude was
going all in.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Like I haven't seen the documentary we were talking about
Florida and Billy and Apier being maybe in some trouble
there in Gainesville. I haven't seen the Netflix on the
Florida Gators, but I heard it's good. It's good, yeah,
because that was a wild team with Aaron Hernandez on it. Yeah,
so uh yeah, I mean listen, uh, NFL you get
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No, no, this is the herd Line News, all right,
Bo Benson, What do we got ahead of a Thursday's
NFL kickoff game between the Baltimore Ravens and the defending
champion Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Ravens kicker Justin Tucker chose not to readdress the incident
that took place between him and some Chiefs players, notably
Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelsey, moving his equipment during warm
ups last year before the AFC Championship game, telling reporters
that all I'll say about it is I'm excited to
go into a great environment, play against a great football
team with great players, great coaches, and do everything I
(36:23):
can to prepare myself to be ready to contribute to
the Ravens winning a football game. And that's all I've
got to say about it.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
I mean, it's the greatest of all time to ever
do it at his position. Justin Tucker deserves respect instead
the Chiefs bullied him last year.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
He's a kicker, Damn how many how much trash talk
can you do as a kicker? Yeah, I'm just saying,
what else is he going to say? I'm going out
there to take hads. You didn't know a kicker that
could throw down? You may just I got grabbed by
my face masking by Miami kicker un because I was
(36:59):
beaten up eating up punters. I don't remember Todd Sowerbrun,
I don't know. I wasn't Todd. I don't remember his name.
But he grabbed my face mask and start doing the
lights out on my face mask. I had to put
my hands up because I was hitting. I was assassinating punters.
So at this point the referees were watching me. So
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when I went when I ran up, I wasn't even
going to hit him. He runs over to me, grabs
me by my face mask and starts shaking my face mask.
So there is that, I mean, there is the chance
that a punter could actually try to, you know, use
martial law or something loud like that out there on
the You.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
See, I would have had you find just for forcing
a punter to act so crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I was in college. You couldn't find me. Yeah, but
I'm with you. I was acting bad towards punters and
maybe a national bad guy. By the way. I was
like a media sweetheart and after that term into a
media Yeah, I was an enemy, an evil guy, a.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Billing by the way. But did we find out the
total number of fines from now?
Speaker 8 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You cannot find it from the internet. There you go. Yeah,
it was a lot. It's like fifty sixty grand. She is,
that's like five of my trucks. Bro I was reading
up man. I was upset. I was not happy about it.
It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 8 (38:27):
It's unfortunately scroll what else we got in? Battled Florida
coach Billy Napier. He took some shots at certain fans
after the gators forty one seventeen loss to Miami and
the swamp on Saturday.
Speaker 9 (38:39):
We got to go to work on the football part,
you know, and I think we got to get more.
We've got to become a more consistent team, and we
have to execute better. And if we can focus on
those things and not necessarily what some guy in his
basement saying and you know, rural Central Florida on social media,
then we got a chance to get better. Right.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
So yeah, listen, coach, let's go ahead and take a
gander at that November schedule and you know, just start
start thinking about what's next, because it does feel like
at an SEC school, like there's zero patients. They do
not tolerate losing, and they do not tolerate losing consistently
at an SEC school already sub five hundred coming into
(39:22):
the year as well too.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
It is right though, it do beat them. Pajama you know,
wonderous cereal eating mom, where's my meat? Low dude, that'd
be sitting there talking the craziest head on social media though.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
One of my favorite Brady Quinn's stories doing the show
with him during COVID everybody was working from home and
so somebody made a comment on Twitter or something like
that because that was back what it was called Twitter,
and Brady gave his standard along those same lines, Well,
that's just you know, some guys sitting in his mom's
basement doing blah blah blah blah blah. And the best
(39:58):
part of that all that was because, as it was covid,
I was actually doing the show from my mom's garage,
literally from my mom's garage, and he said, well, you
know what I meant. I was like, that's fine, but yeah,
it is those same people who've got you know, oatmeal
spilled all over their shirt, and.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
They make the mistake every once in a while of
actually letting one of them on a big show. What
a tremendously large platform. By the way, and his name
is Jonas damn at WK.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Hey, isn't the Kobayashi Joey Chestnut battle today and that
happening today? I think it is. I think it's coming
up very soon. They're gonna need any food today. Oh yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I'm going to go get checked out tomorrow, going under center,
check my oil levels, if you know what I mean,
make sure everything all systems is go. I'm going to
see LeVar Warring one one sock tomorrow now you know
why bye y'all. I mean we can stay here, Yeah,
(41:04):
we can stay. I can stay how long y'all want
to stay for? You want to stay for an extra minute? Extra? Yeah?
An extra minute of content? Hell? Yeah? I mean I
got something left in me. Yeah, I mean maybe maybe
not after tomorrow, after I go get my little check up.
But you know, but what else we got to close
(41:25):
up the show?
Speaker 8 (41:25):
Yeah? Drawd Mayo found the most convoluted way to say
that Drake may is the backup, saying that if Jacoby
Brissett gets hurt, Drake may is one thousand percent the
next guy in. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Clear. I thought talking about what I had going on
was way more interesting than that that would just bought up.
I'll tell you that in your back porch clean yeah, man,
it's not getting clean. They're just going to make sure
that the move all the furniture, make sure everything is good.
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