July 4, 2025 • 43 mins
Doug in for Colin as he discusses the job of making fireworks. Doug welcomes Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to talk about the Lakers, Mavs and the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, the Best For Last.
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
Happy fourth of July to you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's weird, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
The crew is in southern California. I'm in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
And the difference, like we gotta have a fireworks discussion
at some point because if you grew up in California
or you spend lots of time in California, you know,
because of fire hazard, like and what's crazy about fire
hazard is fourth of July in southern California. It's everyone
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seems to have a legal fireworks everyone, but generally frowned
upon and not sold at you're the fireworks you can
get at the local fireworks stand is like those little roses,
you know, like you can light up like ten ofvot
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once and they spin around.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I do think that there's a there's a cottage industry
of making fireworks that I would love to know the
developmental things, because some of the things are the same
as they've been less like, well, you've seen one fireworks thing,
you've seen them all. They do some cool stuff. But
like what I was watching, I was at my country club,
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but not a country club in Green Bay, wiscons. It's
actually Howard and we're watching the fireworks show last night.
The fireworks go off, and there's some of them where
they have like a second and third act. They blow
up and then they go on to you know, all this,
and then there's like hearts or then there's other little things.
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So the trail comes down and I just I like,
I want to know who's developing these things, Where are
they developing, who comes up with it, How are the
substances put together? What goes because for all these things
that go right. This actually feels like a Jason Stewart
one on one thing, right, Jase, do you know this,
in order for those fireworks to go right, now, they
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had to have gone wrong a thousand times over in
trying to develop a firework there.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Oh, you would think, so, you think that's a lot
of trial and error. Got to be in a controlled area.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Sure, yeah, So where are these things developed? Who are
these people who are developing them? You know, it's a lot.
There's that Seinfeld bit where he talks about seedless watermelon,
you know, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit where he's like,
not cure for cancer, but somebody thought that is just
too much to take if you can develop. However, they
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develop these fireworks to where they shoot off, they explode
in a multitude of colors, but the colors are perfectly controlled,
and then they can explode again and form hearts in
the sky. Right, you have an amazing talent with your
use of chemistry. To use that on fireworks seems like
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a bit of a waste. But again, I don't know.
I don't know how much these fireworks shows cost. I'm
fastered by the fireworks industry and I also wonder if
the people who work at those fireworks stores, if they're
the same people who work at the pumpkin patch, the
same people who work at the Christmas tree stores, you know,
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the pop up Christmas trees where you can go and
go get your Christmas tree. The Halloween costs. What are
those Halloween stores that pop up usually in.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
West Spirit huh Spirit Halloween? Yes, yeah, those are everywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, yes, but they're only around Halloween, right, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
They are now they changed their business model. I think
they're trying to stay open year round.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Now, how's that working out for?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I do not give out financial advice.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
I'll always say this that Instagram was amazing for the
costume industry and costume parties and everything else. Instagram Basically,
I I want to see the I want to see
the financial breakdown of how much that has impacted costume salespeople. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Usually if I see like a picture of like a
costume from Spirit Halloween on like social media, someone's just
mocking it for being really low quality.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yet these stores pop up everywhere, so yeah, people must
be going to them, right.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
But they're also they're also getting a lot of lots
that are basically taken taking over from other businesses. They're
going out of business.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, bed Bath and Beyond. All the bed
Bath and beyonds that went out are now Spirit Halloween stores.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I was trying to do a quick search on how
these things are made, and I'm not getting anywhere, but
I will say this, fireworks are crafted by professionals called pyrotechnicians.
A pyrotechnician is a professional that handles safe storage, handling,
and function and fireworks. I don't know, I don't know
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how many jobs are available like that, but that's a
pretty badass name just to draw, you know, name for
a job, just to drop at a bar or something
when you're meeting people.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
My son is like he's legit gone, Like what does
it take to be a pyrotechnician? That sounds like fun.
That's kind of every I would say of if you
ask teenage boys, right, you did a breakdown of like
what would the coolest jobs be? They're like, you know,
professional athlete, rocker, rap star, probably somebody on TV?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Do we still do astronaut? Is that still a no?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, no, nope, nope, Because then they find out like
you had a lot of math and science, Like yeah,
I'm good. Now, there's probably a lot of math, uh
and and chemistry to being a pyrotechnician. But if you
say like, well I'm a pyrotechnician, like that's a cool name,
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and then they say like what is that? I blow
stuff up? Like well, that's kind of awesome. What you
get paid for that?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, you were asking earlier, like what they do when
it's not you know, fireworks season. And I've got to imagine,
like I don't know, you what was who was the
band who like burned the they had but they had
a pirate They burned the bulls banners at the United Center,
but they had but that was from pyrotechnics. So I
imagine when it's not Fourth of July season, you're just
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going around with like you know, concerts, rock bands and
like kind of yeah, those kind of big pyrotechnic displays
which aren't really like you know, full fields of fireworks,
but it's kind of the same stuff. You're just kind
of you know, setting on fire, setting stuff on fire
and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, has Here's another question which I think we know
the answer to. It's like AI is going to take
people's jobs, have drone shows taking pyrotechnicians.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Jobs, not yet, But as someone who owns a cat
here in Los Angeles, I kind of wish they'd be
a little more popular, just because people keep setting them
off right off across from the city park near I
know that won't stop with drone shows, but I've seen
some video of drone shows from like China, and they
look they look very impressive to like align that many
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drones and make shapes in the sky.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No, they have them here. They're they're incredible. There is
something still about blowing stuff up that we like as Americans, right,
It's like, yeah, it's the same thing, but does as
something actually explode?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh yeah No. When I was younger, we could we
could we?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And and there's also the could we die? And could
we could it all burn up? Like now like yeah,
I'm not really into it. It's like, no, it looks
way better visually, incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You have these all these.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Thousands of drones, you know, spelling out people's name, incursive
and looking like in a three D light show.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You're like, that's great.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Could we die?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't know. I can't the time.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
There's nothing more American than something that technologically is so
unbelievably advanced and like yeah, but doesn't blow stuff up.
So like I kind of like the blow stuff up.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Guy as a as a coach because I keep thinking
about this in the context of the NFL after like
Jason Pierre Paul and I know there was an incident
with uh yes, a couple other players, but yeah, I
was gonna say, is this isn't the time of year
where like every coach has to just really enforce, you know,
personal safety on everyone out there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
My guys weren't really into my guys. Like I was like,
how many guys like ever you know, mess with fireworks?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Like none of them were really into it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
But I just you know, we yes, you have to
pay attention to but you also pay attention to hey,
wherever you're going tonight, like just stay there because people
in the road. You've got to make the assumption people
are drinking and driving. So yeah, I mean by we
sent them home for a couple of days, for like
a week, and you know their marching orders are you're
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not blowing anything up, like just don't do it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
No Roman candle candles, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Just none of them. It is not worth not worth
any of it.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And uh, you know, if you need a ride wherever
you are, you call me, tell me drop a pin.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'll send you an uber and get you home. I
don't care.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But we're not we're not getting behind the wheel and
we're not driving when anybody's been drinking and after you know,
eleven o'clock, honestly probably shouldn't be out of the road,
believe it or not. So that's just how we how
we handle it. But yeah, you have to have those
conversations because at the end of the day, I'm responsible
for him, you know, I have a twenty eight year
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old gonna be twenty nine year old sophomore. But I'm
still responsible for him, so still my guy. Anyway, Yeah,
I just I think it's a bit of an underserved
industry that we don't know anything about, right, And then
every year we call these people and here they have
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just these explosive devices.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know how they set them off. I don't
know how much it costs. I don't know what's in
these things. I don't know how they're developed. Actually kind
of fascinated by it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Maybe we don't know these things because it's not fascinating
and it's really simple, or they're all made in China
and we can't get any information. Doug Gollibin for calling
this is the herd. Yeah, let's do this. Let's talk
some Lebron with Mark Stein, because there's a lot of
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just some of the stuff doesn't make sense. I just
like things that make sense. Maybe that's why I'm interested
in the pyrotechnics. Just make it make sense to be
tell me what the process is between how it goes
up and explodes. How many different like I don't know
what they're even called entails there are how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just like things to make sense.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Lebron James and the whole messaging from Rich Paul doesn't
really make sense. Like it makes sense to want to
compete for a championship. It doesn't make sense to sign,
you know, pick up your player option and then complain
that your team doesn't have good enough players around you
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when you could have taken less money or not pick
up your player option and then become a free agent
wherever you want.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Doesn't make sense. So we'll have.
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Mark Stein join us and he'll help us get to
the bottom of what's really going on with Lebron and
is there a world in which he's traded this offseason
or next season?
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Speaker 4 (13:12):
Doug Gollivan for calling this, says The Herd, Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio App. I was reading an article
by Sam Quinn of CBS Sports where he talks about
you know, twenty ten free and see everybody clearing space
they won Lebron James twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen, all these
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times which Lebron was a free agent and yeah, now
it's now, it's go time. Let's go get Lebron Lebron
James fast fast forward to this year and he signs
his player option, He picks up his player option, and
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then of course Rich Paul comes out says Lebron wants
to compete for a championship. He knows the Lakers are
building for the future, he understands that, but he values
a realistic chance at winning it all. So the first
thing is, okay, if if you don't like being in LA,
why did you pick up your option? And if you
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don't think you can win a championship with Luca and
I think we would all say lucas a top five
player in the league, right worst case?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Top ten?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Want you want to get the well this I like this, okay,
top ten. Lebron was second team All NBA last year.
Whether he should have been or not should have been, shouldn't,
shouldn't have been, that's we can debate it. How can
you not think you can compete for a championship if
you have those two guys on the floor at once?
Now reality is neither regard a soul, so you know
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you're not beating anybody. Deandreton also not particularly a defender.
I don't really understand that part of the plan. But
who else in the NBA has two top ten players
in the NBA and doesn't think they can compete. So
the first part is he obviously's not down with that plan.
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But second part is they're admitting Lebron's not a top ten,
top fifteen player, which is reasonable. He's forty years old.
But look, this is just me guessing talking to people.
A guy who knows so much more about what's going
on in the NBA is Mark Stein of course, longtime
(15:31):
NBA writer right to substack called the Steinline, joins us
now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Okay, so help me out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I just Lebron has said one thing and done another
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That's not surprising.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Lots of people do it, okay, But if you want
to win a championship and that's the sole focus of
your last couple of years, like heck, even go back
to why do you make them draft Brownie? Why do
they do lots of this sting? But now why pick
up your option when you could have been free to
choose whatever team you wanted to join?
Speaker 8 (16:05):
Well, I think, deep down you know the reason you're
not going to say no to fifty three million dollars.
I mean, that's really what it comes down to. And
there obviously is a comfort level that Lebron and his
family clearly have in LA. This is this season will
be year eight, the longest he's been with one team,
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and a continuous stretch in his career. I got to
be honest, I'm just not putting a lot of stock
or expending a lot of energy trying to make sense
of the statement. You know, it was great for talk
show fodder and you know, had a news cycle of
its own, but like, I don't put like trying to
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decipher the statement. To me is just at this point,
I think you are you are expending too much of
your energy on it to worry about the statement too much.
I mean, the reality is they don't have control. It's
the first time since Lebron has been a Laker, and
it's really the first time anywhere he's been that he
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is not in control of the situation. And I think
that's really what led to that statement, to give it
an appearance of control. But the minute the Lakers made
that trade, this became Luka Doncic's team. The Lakers are
looking at everything through a Luka Doncic's lens, and look,
the statement even did acknowledge that. And I think deep
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down Lebron does understand that he is going to turn
forty one this season and he's heading for year twenty three,
which we've never seen. So I think deep down he
understands those things, you know better than we do. But
it's a different He's in a different position than he's
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ever been because he's now on an expiring deal. You know,
this is the first time I think he's done nine
NBA contracts something like that, maybe more first time that
he hasn't you know, he hasn't had control. He's he's
on an expiring contract now and this is new territory
for him.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
What's it likely that he plays somewhere other than the
Lakers next year.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
It's really hard to do a trade for him because
a that contract is so big. It's a fifty three
million dollar contract, and so pretty much any trade that
you propose is going to include long term money that
we know the Lakers don't want to take back. The
reason Dorian Finney Smith is no longer a Laker is
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because the Lakers only wanted to give him two years.
They didn't want to do a longer term deal than that,
and the Rockets were willing to give him a four
year deal. And so when we're talking, and then you
also at the factory in don't forget Lebron one of
only two players in the NBA who has a full
no trade clause. The list is Lebron, James and Bradley Beal.
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So you can't trade Lebron unless he chooses the team.
And to come up with a trade that would satisfy
the Lakers' long term wishes again is really hard to
do because the number is so large. But so there's
been taught that why can't Lebron just seek a buyout
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now so he could have his free agency. The Lakers
are not just going to buy him out as a
thank you, even though they are grateful for what he's
done for that franchise. I mean that, you know, before
Lebron got there was probably the worst six or seven
year period in Lakers history, and they won a championship
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in his second season, and they do greatly value everything
he's brought to that franchise over the past seven seasons.
But they're not just going to buy him out. And
let him walk out the door and choose his next team,
especially when, as you said, last season he was second
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team All NBA. He is still one of the top
ten or fifteen players, however you want to rank it.
Even at his age, he is still one of the
ten or fifteen best players in the league. The Lakers
are not just going to say here, we're buying you out,
thank you for everything you've done. Go walk to Dallas
or walk to Golden State and join that team for
a minimum. I would be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
All that being said.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
Is there a chance he could go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Else, Yes, there is always.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
A chance in the NBA. I'm not gonna say anything
is impossible anymore. We learn that lesson in the loudest
way on February, in the wee hours of February second,
when the Mavericks traded Luka Doncic to the Lakers in
the middle of the season and the middle of the night.
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And then we saw it this week when nobody woke
up it was a Tuesday or Wednesday' already losing track. Now,
maybe it was Wednesday. Nobody woke up that day thinking
that the Milwaukee Bucks were going to wave and stretch
the contract of Damian Lillard to sign Miles Turner. Miles
Turner going back to Indiana was regarded as a near certainty.
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And it just shows you again that in the NBA
anything is possible. So I'm not going to sit here
and say it absolutely cannot happen, but there are a
lot of factors that make it complicated.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Okay, uh, Yannis, what's the likelihood he plays for the
Bucks next year?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It will all depend on does this move to bring
in Miles Turner satisfy him and make him happy enough.
And you know, my good friend Chris Haynes, my former
podcast partner, I mean he he reported earlier this week
that Giannis was not thrilled about the way that this
was all handled, which involved stunning decision to wave and
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stretch and let Damian Lillard go on the day that
Damian Lillard's contract extension that he originally signed in Portland
was kicking in. It's actually great for Dame because he's
going to get all his money and he now has
free agency and optionality. So it looks very cold and
heartless on paper, but I don't think Game is heartbroken
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about the situation.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But look, we don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
We still don't know where Yannis stands. Teams around the
league have approached it as they think he's staying in Milwaukee.
The Bucks are certainly operating with the belief that he
will stay, and they're doing everything they can to make
the team better. They went out and signed Miles Turner
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away from the Pacers, which no one saw coming. They've
tried to talk Chris Paul into joining them to fill
a backcourt need you know. I don't love their chances
of making that happened, but at least they've tried. So
the Bucks are trying. But I think Giannis has also
shown us that he's going to do this on his timetable,
you know, and he's gonna he is not while he
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is not, He is not asked for a trade, and
it's very clear he has you know, the Bucks last
played a game, I think it was April twenty ninth,
so we've been waiting, you know, more than more than
a couple of months now. He has not said I
want to be traded, but he has also not come
out and said I am definitely staying here. I am
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a Buck for the foreseeable future. Now, he also doesn't
have to do that. He's under contract, he's under no
obligation to do it. But I still think there is
a wait and see kind of approach that people are
taking to see how see how he reacts to this
move and to the Bucks summer.
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Brad Beial and Damian Lillard strike me as as warnings
to other teams on acquiring the best player on bad
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teams and assuming that the numbers will translate not only
directly over but to success. We know that's not how
it works. But who's the guy who is most likely
to be the next Damian Lillard or Brad Beale? Great
player moved and again we're gonna try it again, which is,
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we'll see if it translates on one of the elite teams.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Well, look, I think those situations are I would say
a little bit different because the Bucks traded for Gamian Lillard,
because Jannis wanted to play with Damian Lillard, and that
was very much out of the playbook of look John
Horast the Buffs CM twice. He traded for Drew Holliday.
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Jannis immediately did a contract extension in response to that trade,
and the Bucks went out and won, went.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Won a championship.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
They did it again. He trades for Damian Lillard. Jannis
signs another contract extension in response to that move. Obviously,
the Lillard gamble did not work out so well. On
the Beal situation, the Suns were, you know, as that
deal was coming together, there was great skepticism that that
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could work. So the Sons, I think did that more
out of you know, that was you know, matt Ishbia
just as he went all in for Kevin Durant. And
again the Sons were able to trade Kevin Durant to Houston,
but compared what they got for to what they gave up.
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The Sons gave up four first round picks, a first
round pick swap, and Cam Johnson and Michale Bridges to
get Durant. They didn't get nearly did they get half
back of what they gave up. And then they doubled
down by bringing in Beale to join Durant and Devin
Booker when a lot of people said, these are three
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offensive minded players who all like to operate in the
mid range, don't do this well. The Suns did it anyway,
So I don't really compare those two moves because, like
I said, I think Milwaukee had ample justification to roll
the dice on the Dame Lillard move and it just
didn't work. And going for Drew Holiday did work. So
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I mean, and now with Miles Turner, this is the
third big swing from the Bucks John Horse led front
office and won't see how it turns out. I mean,
there's no shortage of skepticism this time too. In so
who's next? I think you also have to factor in
in the new NBA with these luxury tax aprons, Like
it's really hard to like just those kind of salaries
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in general, you don't want to have more than two.
I mean, you're it's really hard to have three high
salaried players and build any kind of team around them
because of what the second apron does in terms of
taking away your team building tools. You know, when the
when the MAVs, when you know, if I go back
to February, there was all this talk that, oh, now
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the mass you're going to try to get Durant to
play with Kyrie and Anthony Davis. They were never going
after Kevin Durant. They didn't want a three star construction
because they know it's not sustainable. What's what makes their
construction now, because you're getting Cooper Flagg to be that
third star, but he's going to be on a rookie
deal for the next three plus years, so that makes
it that, you know, that's where the difference is. I mean,
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it's just it's really hard to build an NBA team
with three very expensive contracts.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Last thing here, Mike Brown with the New York Knicks.
What's the league's reaction to the higher.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I think it's somewhat been muted because it's happening in
the throes of free agency, and as we move away
from free agency and as the whole league gets ready
to gather in Vegas that it will generate more discussion.
But it really the reaction hasn't changed. The shock in
New York was not that they made a coaching change,
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I mean discontent with Tom Thibodeau. There were rumblings about that.
You know, before this season I mean, it's not a
new thing. What shocked everybody is they didn't appear to
have a succession plan in place. You figure, if you're
going to fire the most successful coach you've had in
the twenty first century, you know exactly who you're going
to get. And yeah, I cannot wait for the ultimate
(28:55):
press conference because they're going to have to answer that question.
Even if Mike Brown and rowed them in the interview process,
even if Mike Brown is the right guy, because of
what the Knicks did, because they went after five other
coaches who were not available, it just gives the impression
that at best, Mike Brown was your sixth choice and
(29:18):
he's going to have to live with that. But also,
by the time camp comes around and the season starts,
does it really matter. I mean, if he can get
the job done, that will gradually fade. But of course,
you know, Mike Brown is also known as a defensive
minded coach like Tibbs. So is he really bringing a
different approach to what the Knicks have done? Then Thibodeau
(29:43):
has and will only know that and see that with time.
But yeah, I mean, I don't you know, the Knicks
are not being celebrated and lauded here because their process
was just so weird.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Mark Stein, check out the substack called signline. Mark, You're
the best man. Happy fourth, be safe and thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
Happy fourth. All of you guys be good.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
This is this is the herd. I'm Doug Allibin for Collin.
Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, no, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Hey, Doug, let's pick up right where you two left off.
Let's pick up where you left off. The news on
the Mike Brown situation is this. I know the whole
thing is going to happen, but the news is I
saw a report today where they've agreed verbally only and
that the contractor will be signed officially next week, where
(30:42):
I presume there will be a press conference. I want
to know your opinion on this. We just got Mark
Stein's opinion on this, but what's your opinion on them
landing on Mike Brown after as as Mark Sein just said,
a awkward, strange process that alienated a bunch of trade partner.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Listen, I think Mike I consider my a friend. I
like Mike a lot. I thought he did a really
good job in Sacramento. I thought they actually remember they
played really fast, which will be a change obviously from
how they played and played slow in New York. But
hasn't been an emphasis on playing fast. You know, so
(31:24):
much of the NBA is about respecting the locker room.
You can't get inspector locker unless you win. You can't
win unless he has respect the locker room. He's the
guy who's he coached Lebron to an NBA finals, to
a West Eastern Conference finals as well, obviously got the
Kings of the playoffs. And you know what I've heard
with the Knicks is one of the bigger issues is
Rick Brunson, is that, you know, there's a feeling that
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he wields too much power, and even though his son's
the best player on that team and the leader of
that team, it doesn't necessarily work well with some of
those some of those guys. So how Mike works with Rick,
because Rick is not leaving that staff despite the coaching change,
I think is probably the most interesting part. But yeah,
(32:07):
I mean, like I said, initially, you cannot fire Tom
Thibodeau unless you're going to hire somebody who's been to
the point and maybe beyond where Tips has been in
the playoffs. Mike fits that, so I actually think it's
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Higher he's coached for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
That didn't work, but you know, with you, either when
you fail at something, you either blame everybody else or
you learn from it and improve. I thought he'd learned
from it, and he's a better coach than Sacramento that
he was in La.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Doug. For those who have not heard, Joey Chestnutt won
his seventeenth Nathan's Hot Dog eating contest earlier today after
skipping a year. Remember he was banned last year over
some controversy over fake hot dogs. The details on the
win today are he eate actually seventy and a half
(32:58):
hot dogs. Don't allow people out there to tell you
that he ate seventy one. It's seventy and a half,
which is five and a half short of his own
record of seventy six hot dogs in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I slip it.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
And our guy Patrick bertle Letty, which we just don't
hear enough about this guy, came in second place. He
finished with forty six and a half. So Joey chestnut
just just completely dominating the field today. And this is
what he had to say as his digestive system, went
to work on seventy and a half hot Dogs. He
(33:34):
did an interview on ESPN.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I was nervous first cot of
hot Dogs. I was fumbling a little bit, but I
found a pretty good rhythm. My goal was seventy to
seventy seven. I really wanted a little bit more. But
you know what, dude, there's actually here and I I'm
just happy on my area and happy four the July.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It took physically being.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Here, and sometimes sometimes it's hard to showing up as
the hardest part sometimes, but I love being here. And
as soon as I found out I was coming in
my body, it was easy to train and I love
doing it and I love pushing myself and being that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I gotta people, what does training look like?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I don't want to know, right.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, what does that actually look like?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Pastic anyway?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
What was that? Was there a question there? Or what
do I think of it?
Speaker 8 (34:23):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know what I don't want.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't want somebody to go like seventeen championships. Where
does this rank all time in sports? Is this better
than UCLA's championships under John Wood?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Like please don't do that.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm begging people in sports trading and sports media don't
compare them to the Yankees, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Chiefs,
the Patriots, UCLA basketball, Alabama football, Notre Dame football, and
Johnny Luke Jack.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Now, don't do that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's a made up competition where dude has somehow cracked
the code on how to stuff as gullet with seventy
and a half hot dogs in I don't know what
it is five minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's not a sport. It's cool, but let's just not
compare the two.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well, our technical producer Chris Burfette today had a hot
take earlier off the air. I'll let him. I'll let
him explain this take on the air, but it's go
something like this, No Joey Chestnut Championship is without an
asterisk because Kobayashi is no longer doing it. There's something
like that, Chris.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Yeah, I don't have a lot of deep thoughts to this.
I just I feel like without seeing Kobayashi, who is
arguably kind of up there with Joey Chestnut, I feel
like we were just deprived of seeing these two going
back and forth as long as we are and now
with Joey Chestnut missing the year and everything, like there's
there's daylight here. I find the departure of Kobayashi kind
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of a little bull and yeah, yeah, it's it's like, hey,
he've got two of the greatest to ever do it,
but you know we're gonna arbitrarily keep this one guy out.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Wait, so Kobeyashi's not can't be in.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
He's been banned since twenty ten. Since twenty ten, has
been banned.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah for what.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Was he gambling on himself? Did he throw a first
pitch that was way way way outside and there was
betting irregularities? Like do we have any idea what he's
been banned for? I just thought he fell off.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
It's some violation of a contract or something. And then
they had bad blood. Remember he showed up at the
he got banned from the twenty ten event, showed up
at the twenty eleven event and then went up on
stage to congratulate the winner, and like they had police
escort him.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Yeah, it's it was literally just because it's a contractual
band between him and Nathan's Hot Dogs. It's not like
he cheated or gambled or anything. It's just it's it's
he he did. I think he did some sort of
eating contest that wasn't sanctioned by Nathan's Does he?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
So they're like the NCAA, like, you're not saying she
you can't do it? So does he perform an other
eating competition?
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He does? He has? Yes? And is he?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Is he as good as Joey Chesna.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I that's the problem. The world will never know.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Will never know.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Okay, I don't think that's much of a hot take.
That's a That's why I had no idea. It's I
felt like that was ben Kenoby to say the jokes.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Say the joke, Jason say the joke. It's so good.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Well, I would like to take ownership over the joke.
But Seth McFarlin, through his his movie about Star Wars,
made the joke that like remember that scene when Luke
and R two watch Princess Leah say Obi wan Kenoby,
you're my only hope and Luke says, I wonder if
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she means old. Ben Kenoby and Seth McFarland's joke is
the uh. The Imperial Forces are trying to rid the
universe of jedis they almost did it. Then Kenobi's hiding
in a cave in Tattooine and he decides not to
change his last name, just his first name. They'll never find.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, when I when I heard Kobeyashi, I thought, that's
the name I have.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Not heard a long long time, a long long time.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
What else you got, Jaysu?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
That's it all right?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well that's the news and stopping the Herd line news.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Oh. Doug Gottlieben for Colin Coward coming up next best
for last what we say?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
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Speaker 3 (38:54):
Do Doo doo doo do doodle do.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I love this time of year.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Really kind of the this is a good sports reset
time of year. You know, it's like we just kind
of end of the sports year. I know, you're like, well,
it's the middle of baseball season. Like yeah, I mean
it's still it's stilly end of the sports here. But
I hope you have a great, safe fourth July and uh,
(39:27):
calling back on Monday before we get there, though, get's
get to the Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Okay, So for Best for Last, Jay stew I thought
the very easiest thing to do was, you know, we
saw your boy KB and he was on social media
today and he was he was helping people understand the
difference between a cookout and barbecue. I thought it was
that's Kyle Brandt, by the way, for people don't know,
(40:04):
and I thought it was. It was great stuff. But
I do think that people need to need to understand
that in prioritizing the plate today on a cookout or
a barbecue or a get together lake beach whatever, like,
you only have so much space, right, only have so
(40:26):
much space. So if you're going to you know, break
it down, then you need to understand there's a pecking
order for what requires and what gets right a first
refusal on your plate, okay, which brings us to the
best for Last.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I got five things that have to be on your plate,
the order of which they are so again profeta if
you can. Usually we do number five, number four, number three, No, no,
I want you to do it in opposite because number
one is most important.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Number one, number.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Five, There you go. Number one is the protein. Number
one is the protein. More specifically, okay, whatever comes off
the barbecue or excuse me, the smoker. You know again,
I always I think these are the days in which
you have. It's not a day when you go, hey man,
I'm watching my weight.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Hey man, I just keto keto. You could be keto.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
So again in number one, ribs, any sort of pork product.
Today is the day if you inbide on swine, and
I do. Number one is pork, pork ribs, pulled pork,
and I I will allow beef ribs, but any sort
of fatty meat gets the gets the right of first
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refusal and should get the biggest pie, if you will
on your plate.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Number two, number one.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Okay, number number two again.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
For me, it has to be something that blends with that.
That's where the mashed potatoes or potato salad or macaroni
and cheese go. Because the truth is that say you
have ribs or you have burnt ends, and a little
piece of them break off and then they mix with
macaroni and cheese. That's delicious as well. Okay, so it
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acts as more than just a food. It's a barrier
but also can combine. That's number two. Number three okay,
so now you have your meat, probably have your carb.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
This is where you throw in some sort of vegetable. Okay,
some sort of vegetable. It can be a salad. But again,
part of the genius to it is you'll probably get
a bite with the meat, you'll probably get a bite
with the carb as well, and it still all works together.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Number four, Number four, fruit, but the fruit can only
really be watermelon. Other fruits just don't work. Fruit salad
just doesn't work. And number five, number five, okay, I'm
okay with adding dessert on top of whatever else you're eating,
because it's still delicious. There's your breakdown in importance of
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the plate. That's your best for last. Have a happy
and safe fourth. We'll talk to you Monday. I'm Doug
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Speaker 4 (01:01):
Happy fourth of July to you.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
It's weird, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
The crew is in southern California. I'm in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
And the difference, like we gotta have a fireworks discussion
at some point because if you grew up in California
or you spend lots of time in California, you know,
because of fire hazard, like and what's crazy about fire
hazard is fourth of July in southern California. It's everyone
(01:28):
seems to have a legal fireworks everyone, but generally frowned
upon and not sold at you're the fireworks you can
get at the local fireworks stand is like those little roses,
you know, like you can light up like ten ofvot
(01:49):
once and they spin around.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's kind of cool.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I do think that there's a there's a cottage industry
of making fireworks that I would love to know the
developmental things, because some of the things are the same
as they've been less like, well, you've seen one fireworks thing,
you've seen them all. They do some cool stuff. But
like what I was watching, I was at my country club,
(02:14):
but not a country club in Green Bay, wiscons. It's
actually Howard and we're watching the fireworks show last night.
The fireworks go off, and there's some of them where
they have like a second and third act. They blow
up and then they go on to you know, all this,
and then there's like hearts or then there's other little things.
(02:35):
So the trail comes down and I just I like,
I want to know who's developing these things, Where are
they developing, who comes up with it, How are the
substances put together? What goes because for all these things
that go right. This actually feels like a Jason Stewart
one on one thing, right, Jase, do you know this,
in order for those fireworks to go right, now, they
(02:56):
had to have gone wrong a thousand times over in
trying to develop a firework there.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Oh, you would think, so, you think that's a lot
of trial and error. Got to be in a controlled area.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Sure, yeah, So where are these things developed? Who are
these people who are developing them? You know, it's a lot.
There's that Seinfeld bit where he talks about seedless watermelon,
you know, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit where he's like,
not cure for cancer, but somebody thought that is just
too much to take if you can develop. However, they
(03:33):
develop these fireworks to where they shoot off, they explode
in a multitude of colors, but the colors are perfectly controlled,
and then they can explode again and form hearts in
the sky. Right, you have an amazing talent with your
use of chemistry. To use that on fireworks seems like
(03:56):
a bit of a waste. But again, I don't know.
I don't know how much these fireworks shows cost. I'm
fastered by the fireworks industry and I also wonder if
the people who work at those fireworks stores, if they're
the same people who work at the pumpkin patch, the
same people who work at the Christmas tree stores, you know,
(04:18):
the pop up Christmas trees where you can go and
go get your Christmas tree. The Halloween costs. What are
those Halloween stores that pop up usually in.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
West Spirit huh Spirit Halloween? Yes, yeah, those are everywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, yes, but they're only around Halloween, right, I think.
Speaker 6 (04:36):
They are now they changed their business model. I think
they're trying to stay open year round.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Now, how's that working out for?
Speaker 6 (04:42):
I do not give out financial advice.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
I'll always say this that Instagram was amazing for the
costume industry and costume parties and everything else. Instagram Basically,
I I want to see the I want to see
the financial breakdown of how much that has impacted costume salespeople. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
Usually if I see like a picture of like a
costume from Spirit Halloween on like social media, someone's just
mocking it for being really low quality.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yet these stores pop up everywhere, so yeah, people must
be going to them, right.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
But they're also they're also getting a lot of lots
that are basically taken taking over from other businesses. They're
going out of business.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Yeah yeah, yeah, bed Bath and Beyond. All the bed
Bath and beyonds that went out are now Spirit Halloween stores.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I was trying to do a quick search on how
these things are made, and I'm not getting anywhere, but
I will say this, fireworks are crafted by professionals called pyrotechnicians.
A pyrotechnician is a professional that handles safe storage, handling,
and function and fireworks. I don't know, I don't know
(05:56):
how many jobs are available like that, but that's a
pretty badass name just to draw, you know, name for
a job, just to drop at a bar or something
when you're meeting people.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
My son is like he's legit gone, Like what does
it take to be a pyrotechnician? That sounds like fun.
That's kind of every I would say of if you
ask teenage boys, right, you did a breakdown of like
what would the coolest jobs be? They're like, you know,
professional athlete, rocker, rap star, probably somebody on TV?
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Do we still do astronaut? Is that still a no?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No, no, nope, nope, Because then they find out like
you had a lot of math and science, Like yeah,
I'm good. Now, there's probably a lot of math, uh
and and chemistry to being a pyrotechnician. But if you
say like, well I'm a pyrotechnician, like that's a cool name,
(06:51):
and then they say like what is that? I blow
stuff up? Like well, that's kind of awesome. What you
get paid for that?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah, you were asking earlier, like what they do when
it's not you know, fireworks season. And I've got to imagine,
like I don't know, you what was who was the
band who like burned the they had but they had
a pirate They burned the bulls banners at the United Center,
but they had but that was from pyrotechnics. So I
imagine when it's not Fourth of July season, you're just
(07:22):
going around with like you know, concerts, rock bands and
like kind of yeah, those kind of big pyrotechnic displays
which aren't really like you know, full fields of fireworks,
but it's kind of the same stuff. You're just kind
of you know, setting on fire, setting stuff on fire
and whatnot.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, has Here's another question which I think we know
the answer to. It's like AI is going to take
people's jobs, have drone shows taking pyrotechnicians.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
Jobs, not yet, But as someone who owns a cat
here in Los Angeles, I kind of wish they'd be
a little more popular, just because people keep setting them
off right off across from the city park near I
know that won't stop with drone shows, but I've seen
some video of drone shows from like China, and they
look they look very impressive to like align that many
(08:09):
drones and make shapes in the sky.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
No, they have them here. They're they're incredible. There is
something still about blowing stuff up that we like as Americans, right,
It's like, yeah, it's the same thing, but does as
something actually explode?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh yeah No. When I was younger, we could we
could we?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
And and there's also the could we die? And could
we could it all burn up? Like now like yeah,
I'm not really into it. It's like, no, it looks
way better visually, incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
You have these all these.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Thousands of drones, you know, spelling out people's name, incursive
and looking like in a three D light show.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
You're like, that's great.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Could we die?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
No?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't know. I can't the time.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
There's nothing more American than something that technologically is so
unbelievably advanced and like yeah, but doesn't blow stuff up.
So like I kind of like the blow stuff up.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Guy as a as a coach because I keep thinking
about this in the context of the NFL after like
Jason Pierre Paul and I know there was an incident
with uh yes, a couple other players, but yeah, I
was gonna say, is this isn't the time of year
where like every coach has to just really enforce, you know,
personal safety on everyone out there.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
My guys weren't really into my guys. Like I was like,
how many guys like ever you know, mess with fireworks?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Like none of them were really into it.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
But I just you know, we yes, you have to
pay attention to but you also pay attention to hey,
wherever you're going tonight, like just stay there because people
in the road. You've got to make the assumption people
are drinking and driving. So yeah, I mean by we
sent them home for a couple of days, for like
a week, and you know their marching orders are you're
(09:50):
not blowing anything up, like just don't do it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
No Roman candle candles, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Just none of them. It is not worth not worth
any of it.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And uh, you know, if you need a ride wherever
you are, you call me, tell me drop a pin.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I'll send you an uber and get you home. I
don't care.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
But we're not we're not getting behind the wheel and
we're not driving when anybody's been drinking and after you know,
eleven o'clock, honestly probably shouldn't be out of the road,
believe it or not. So that's just how we how
we handle it. But yeah, you have to have those
conversations because at the end of the day, I'm responsible
for him, you know, I have a twenty eight year
(10:30):
old gonna be twenty nine year old sophomore. But I'm
still responsible for him, so still my guy. Anyway, Yeah,
I just I think it's a bit of an underserved
industry that we don't know anything about, right, And then
every year we call these people and here they have
(10:50):
just these explosive devices.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
I don't know how they set them off. I don't
know how much it costs. I don't know what's in
these things. I don't know how they're developed. Actually kind
of fascinated by it.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Maybe we don't know these things because it's not fascinating
and it's really simple, or they're all made in China
and we can't get any information. Doug Gollibin for calling
this is the herd. Yeah, let's do this. Let's talk
some Lebron with Mark Stein, because there's a lot of
(11:25):
just some of the stuff doesn't make sense. I just
like things that make sense. Maybe that's why I'm interested
in the pyrotechnics. Just make it make sense to be
tell me what the process is between how it goes
up and explodes. How many different like I don't know
what they're even called entails there are how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I just like things to make sense.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Lebron James and the whole messaging from Rich Paul doesn't
really make sense. Like it makes sense to want to
compete for a championship. It doesn't make sense to sign,
you know, pick up your player option and then complain
that your team doesn't have good enough players around you
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when you could have taken less money or not pick
up your player option and then become a free agent
wherever you want.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Doesn't make sense. So we'll have.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Mark Stein join us and he'll help us get to
the bottom of what's really going on with Lebron and
is there a world in which he's traded this offseason
or next season?
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Speaker 4 (13:12):
Doug Gollivan for calling this, says The Herd, Fox Sports
Radio on the iHeartRadio App. I was reading an article
by Sam Quinn of CBS Sports where he talks about
you know, twenty ten free and see everybody clearing space
they won Lebron James twenty fourteen, twenty eighteen, all these
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times which Lebron was a free agent and yeah, now
it's now, it's go time. Let's go get Lebron Lebron
James fast fast forward to this year and he signs
his player option, He picks up his player option, and
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then of course Rich Paul comes out says Lebron wants
to compete for a championship. He knows the Lakers are
building for the future, he understands that, but he values
a realistic chance at winning it all. So the first
thing is, okay, if if you don't like being in LA,
why did you pick up your option? And if you
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don't think you can win a championship with Luca and
I think we would all say lucas a top five
player in the league, right worst case?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Top ten?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Want you want to get the well this I like this, okay,
top ten. Lebron was second team All NBA last year.
Whether he should have been or not should have been, shouldn't,
shouldn't have been, that's we can debate it. How can
you not think you can compete for a championship if
you have those two guys on the floor at once?
Now reality is neither regard a soul, so you know
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you're not beating anybody. Deandreton also not particularly a defender.
I don't really understand that part of the plan. But
who else in the NBA has two top ten players
in the NBA and doesn't think they can compete. So
the first part is he obviously's not down with that plan.
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But second part is they're admitting Lebron's not a top ten,
top fifteen player, which is reasonable. He's forty years old.
But look, this is just me guessing talking to people.
A guy who knows so much more about what's going
on in the NBA is Mark Stein of course, longtime
(15:31):
NBA writer right to substack called the Steinline, joins us
now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Okay, so help me out.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
I just Lebron has said one thing and done another
for a long time.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
That's not surprising.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Lots of people do it, okay, But if you want
to win a championship and that's the sole focus of
your last couple of years, like heck, even go back
to why do you make them draft Brownie? Why do
they do lots of this sting? But now why pick
up your option when you could have been free to
choose whatever team you wanted to join?
Speaker 8 (16:05):
Well, I think, deep down you know the reason you're
not going to say no to fifty three million dollars.
I mean, that's really what it comes down to. And
there obviously is a comfort level that Lebron and his
family clearly have in LA. This is this season will
be year eight, the longest he's been with one team,
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and a continuous stretch in his career. I got to
be honest, I'm just not putting a lot of stock
or expending a lot of energy trying to make sense
of the statement. You know, it was great for talk
show fodder and you know, had a news cycle of
its own, but like, I don't put like trying to
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decipher the statement. To me is just at this point,
I think you are you are expending too much of
your energy on it to worry about the statement too much.
I mean, the reality is they don't have control. It's
the first time since Lebron has been a Laker, and
it's really the first time anywhere he's been that he
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is not in control of the situation. And I think
that's really what led to that statement, to give it
an appearance of control. But the minute the Lakers made
that trade, this became Luka Doncic's team. The Lakers are
looking at everything through a Luka Doncic's lens, and look,
the statement even did acknowledge that. And I think deep
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down Lebron does understand that he is going to turn
forty one this season and he's heading for year twenty three,
which we've never seen. So I think deep down he
understands those things, you know better than we do. But
it's a different He's in a different position than he's
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ever been because he's now on an expiring deal. You know,
this is the first time I think he's done nine
NBA contracts something like that, maybe more first time that
he hasn't you know, he hasn't had control. He's he's
on an expiring contract now and this is new territory
for him.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
What's it likely that he plays somewhere other than the
Lakers next year.
Speaker 8 (18:23):
It's really hard to do a trade for him because
a that contract is so big. It's a fifty three
million dollar contract, and so pretty much any trade that
you propose is going to include long term money that
we know the Lakers don't want to take back. The
reason Dorian Finney Smith is no longer a Laker is
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because the Lakers only wanted to give him two years.
They didn't want to do a longer term deal than that,
and the Rockets were willing to give him a four
year deal. And so when we're talking, and then you
also at the factory in don't forget Lebron one of
only two players in the NBA who has a full
no trade clause. The list is Lebron, James and Bradley Beal.
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So you can't trade Lebron unless he chooses the team.
And to come up with a trade that would satisfy
the Lakers' long term wishes again is really hard to
do because the number is so large. But so there's
been taught that why can't Lebron just seek a buyout
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now so he could have his free agency. The Lakers
are not just going to buy him out as a
thank you, even though they are grateful for what he's
done for that franchise. I mean that, you know, before
Lebron got there was probably the worst six or seven
year period in Lakers history, and they won a championship
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in his second season, and they do greatly value everything
he's brought to that franchise over the past seven seasons.
But they're not just going to buy him out. And
let him walk out the door and choose his next team,
especially when, as you said, last season he was second
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team All NBA. He is still one of the top
ten or fifteen players, however you want to rank it.
Even at his age, he is still one of the
ten or fifteen best players in the league. The Lakers
are not just going to say here, we're buying you out,
thank you for everything you've done. Go walk to Dallas
or walk to Golden State and join that team for
a minimum. I would be very surprised if that happens.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
All that being said.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
Is there a chance he could go somewhere.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Else, Yes, there is always.
Speaker 8 (20:38):
A chance in the NBA. I'm not gonna say anything
is impossible anymore. We learn that lesson in the loudest
way on February, in the wee hours of February second,
when the Mavericks traded Luka Doncic to the Lakers in
the middle of the season and the middle of the night.
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And then we saw it this week when nobody woke
up it was a Tuesday or Wednesday' already losing track. Now,
maybe it was Wednesday. Nobody woke up that day thinking
that the Milwaukee Bucks were going to wave and stretch
the contract of Damian Lillard to sign Miles Turner. Miles
Turner going back to Indiana was regarded as a near certainty.
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And it just shows you again that in the NBA
anything is possible. So I'm not going to sit here
and say it absolutely cannot happen, but there are a
lot of factors that make it complicated.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Okay, uh, Yannis, what's the likelihood he plays for the
Bucks next year?
Speaker 8 (21:39):
It will all depend on does this move to bring
in Miles Turner satisfy him and make him happy enough.
And you know, my good friend Chris Haynes, my former
podcast partner, I mean he he reported earlier this week
that Giannis was not thrilled about the way that this
was all handled, which involved stunning decision to wave and
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stretch and let Damian Lillard go on the day that
Damian Lillard's contract extension that he originally signed in Portland
was kicking in. It's actually great for Dame because he's
going to get all his money and he now has
free agency and optionality. So it looks very cold and
heartless on paper, but I don't think Game is heartbroken
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about the situation.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
But look, we don't know.
Speaker 8 (22:29):
We still don't know where Yannis stands. Teams around the
league have approached it as they think he's staying in Milwaukee.
The Bucks are certainly operating with the belief that he
will stay, and they're doing everything they can to make
the team better. They went out and signed Miles Turner
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away from the Pacers, which no one saw coming. They've
tried to talk Chris Paul into joining them to fill
a backcourt need you know. I don't love their chances
of making that happened, but at least they've tried. So
the Bucks are trying. But I think Giannis has also
shown us that he's going to do this on his timetable,
you know, and he's gonna he is not while he
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is not, He is not asked for a trade, and
it's very clear he has you know, the Bucks last
played a game, I think it was April twenty ninth,
so we've been waiting, you know, more than more than
a couple of months now. He has not said I
want to be traded, but he has also not come
out and said I am definitely staying here. I am
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a Buck for the foreseeable future. Now, he also doesn't
have to do that. He's under contract, he's under no
obligation to do it. But I still think there is
a wait and see kind of approach that people are
taking to see how see how he reacts to this
move and to the Bucks summer.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Doug Alliban for Collis. I heard on Fox Sports trailer
that's the voice of Mark Stein. Of course, Mark writes
a substack called the Steinline.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
You need to pick it up.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
He's covered the NBA for quarter century. Really, he joins
us here on Fox Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app.
Brad Beial and Damian Lillard strike me as as warnings
to other teams on acquiring the best player on bad
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teams and assuming that the numbers will translate not only
directly over but to success. We know that's not how
it works. But who's the guy who is most likely
to be the next Damian Lillard or Brad Beale? Great
player moved and again we're gonna try it again, which is,
(24:46):
we'll see if it translates on one of the elite teams.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Well, look, I think those situations are I would say
a little bit different because the Bucks traded for Gamian Lillard,
because Jannis wanted to play with Damian Lillard, and that
was very much out of the playbook of look John
Horast the Buffs CM twice. He traded for Drew Holliday.
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Jannis immediately did a contract extension in response to that trade,
and the Bucks went out and won, went.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Won a championship.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
They did it again. He trades for Damian Lillard. Jannis
signs another contract extension in response to that move. Obviously,
the Lillard gamble did not work out so well. On
the Beal situation, the Suns were, you know, as that
deal was coming together, there was great skepticism that that
(25:43):
could work. So the Sons, I think did that more
out of you know, that was you know, matt Ishbia
just as he went all in for Kevin Durant. And
again the Sons were able to trade Kevin Durant to Houston,
but compared what they got for to what they gave up.
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The Sons gave up four first round picks, a first
round pick swap, and Cam Johnson and Michale Bridges to
get Durant. They didn't get nearly did they get half
back of what they gave up. And then they doubled
down by bringing in Beale to join Durant and Devin
Booker when a lot of people said, these are three
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offensive minded players who all like to operate in the
mid range, don't do this well. The Suns did it anyway,
So I don't really compare those two moves because, like
I said, I think Milwaukee had ample justification to roll
the dice on the Dame Lillard move and it just
didn't work. And going for Drew Holiday did work. So
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I mean, and now with Miles Turner, this is the
third big swing from the Bucks John Horse led front
office and won't see how it turns out. I mean,
there's no shortage of skepticism this time too. In so
who's next? I think you also have to factor in
in the new NBA with these luxury tax aprons, Like
it's really hard to like just those kind of salaries
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in general, you don't want to have more than two.
I mean, you're it's really hard to have three high
salaried players and build any kind of team around them
because of what the second apron does in terms of
taking away your team building tools. You know, when the
when the MAVs, when you know, if I go back
to February, there was all this talk that, oh, now
(27:33):
the mass you're going to try to get Durant to
play with Kyrie and Anthony Davis. They were never going
after Kevin Durant. They didn't want a three star construction
because they know it's not sustainable. What's what makes their
construction now, because you're getting Cooper Flagg to be that
third star, but he's going to be on a rookie
deal for the next three plus years, so that makes
it that, you know, that's where the difference is. I mean,
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it's just it's really hard to build an NBA team
with three very expensive contracts.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Last thing here, Mike Brown with the New York Knicks.
What's the league's reaction to the higher.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I think it's somewhat been muted because it's happening in
the throes of free agency, and as we move away
from free agency and as the whole league gets ready
to gather in Vegas that it will generate more discussion.
But it really the reaction hasn't changed. The shock in
New York was not that they made a coaching change,
(28:31):
I mean discontent with Tom Thibodeau. There were rumblings about that.
You know, before this season I mean, it's not a
new thing. What shocked everybody is they didn't appear to
have a succession plan in place. You figure, if you're
going to fire the most successful coach you've had in
the twenty first century, you know exactly who you're going
to get. And yeah, I cannot wait for the ultimate
(28:55):
press conference because they're going to have to answer that question.
Even if Mike Brown and rowed them in the interview process,
even if Mike Brown is the right guy, because of
what the Knicks did, because they went after five other
coaches who were not available, it just gives the impression
that at best, Mike Brown was your sixth choice and
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he's going to have to live with that. But also,
by the time camp comes around and the season starts,
does it really matter. I mean, if he can get
the job done, that will gradually fade. But of course,
you know, Mike Brown is also known as a defensive
minded coach like Tibbs. So is he really bringing a
different approach to what the Knicks have done? Then Thibodeau
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has and will only know that and see that with time.
But yeah, I mean, I don't you know, the Knicks
are not being celebrated and lauded here because their process
was just so weird.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Mark Stein, check out the substack called signline. Mark, You're
the best man. Happy fourth, be safe and thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 8 (30:04):
Happy fourth. All of you guys be good.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
This is this is the herd. I'm Doug Allibin for Collin.
Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, no, no, this is the headline news.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Hey, Doug, let's pick up right where you two left off.
Let's pick up where you left off. The news on
the Mike Brown situation is this. I know the whole
thing is going to happen, but the news is I
saw a report today where they've agreed verbally only and
that the contractor will be signed officially next week, where
(30:42):
I presume there will be a press conference. I want
to know your opinion on this. We just got Mark
Stein's opinion on this, but what's your opinion on them
landing on Mike Brown after as as Mark Sein just said,
a awkward, strange process that alienated a bunch of trade partner.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Listen, I think Mike I consider my a friend. I
like Mike a lot. I thought he did a really
good job in Sacramento. I thought they actually remember they
played really fast, which will be a change obviously from
how they played and played slow in New York. But
hasn't been an emphasis on playing fast. You know, so
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much of the NBA is about respecting the locker room.
You can't get inspector locker unless you win. You can't
win unless he has respect the locker room. He's the
guy who's he coached Lebron to an NBA finals, to
a West Eastern Conference finals as well, obviously got the
Kings of the playoffs. And you know what I've heard
with the Knicks is one of the bigger issues is
Rick Brunson, is that, you know, there's a feeling that
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he wields too much power, and even though his son's
the best player on that team and the leader of
that team, it doesn't necessarily work well with some of
those some of those guys. So how Mike works with Rick,
because Rick is not leaving that staff despite the coaching change,
I think is probably the most interesting part. But yeah,
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I mean, like I said, initially, you cannot fire Tom
Thibodeau unless you're going to hire somebody who's been to
the point and maybe beyond where Tips has been in
the playoffs. Mike fits that, so I actually think it's
pretty good.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Higher he's coached for the Lakers.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
That didn't work, but you know, with you, either when
you fail at something, you either blame everybody else or
you learn from it and improve. I thought he'd learned
from it, and he's a better coach than Sacramento that
he was in La.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Doug. For those who have not heard, Joey Chestnutt won
his seventeenth Nathan's Hot Dog eating contest earlier today after
skipping a year. Remember he was banned last year over
some controversy over fake hot dogs. The details on the
win today are he eate actually seventy and a half
(32:58):
hot dogs. Don't allow people out there to tell you
that he ate seventy one. It's seventy and a half,
which is five and a half short of his own
record of seventy six hot dogs in ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
I slip it.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
And our guy Patrick bertle Letty, which we just don't
hear enough about this guy, came in second place. He
finished with forty six and a half. So Joey chestnut
just just completely dominating the field today. And this is
what he had to say as his digestive system, went
to work on seventy and a half hot Dogs. He
(33:34):
did an interview on ESPN.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, I was nervous first cot of
hot Dogs. I was fumbling a little bit, but I
found a pretty good rhythm. My goal was seventy to
seventy seven. I really wanted a little bit more. But
you know what, dude, there's actually here and I I'm
just happy on my area and happy four the July.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It took physically being.
Speaker 9 (33:51):
Here, and sometimes sometimes it's hard to showing up as
the hardest part sometimes, but I love being here. And
as soon as I found out I was coming in
my body, it was easy to train and I love
doing it and I love pushing myself and being that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I gotta people, what does training look like?
Speaker 5 (34:10):
I don't want to know, right.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I mean, what does that actually look like?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I don't know?
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Pastic anyway?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
What was that? Was there a question there? Or what
do I think of it?
Speaker 8 (34:23):
You know?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
You know what I don't want.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't want somebody to go like seventeen championships. Where
does this rank all time in sports? Is this better
than UCLA's championships under John Wood?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Like please don't do that.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
I'm begging people in sports trading and sports media don't
compare them to the Yankees, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Chiefs,
the Patriots, UCLA basketball, Alabama football, Notre Dame football, and
Johnny Luke Jack.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Now, don't do that, Okay.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's a made up competition where dude has somehow cracked
the code on how to stuff as gullet with seventy
and a half hot dogs in I don't know what
it is five minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It's not a sport. It's cool, but let's just not
compare the two.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well, our technical producer Chris Burfette today had a hot
take earlier off the air. I'll let him. I'll let
him explain this take on the air, but it's go
something like this, No Joey Chestnut Championship is without an
asterisk because Kobayashi is no longer doing it. There's something
like that, Chris.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
Yeah, I don't have a lot of deep thoughts to this.
I just I feel like without seeing Kobayashi, who is
arguably kind of up there with Joey Chestnut, I feel
like we were just deprived of seeing these two going
back and forth as long as we are and now
with Joey Chestnut missing the year and everything, like there's
there's daylight here. I find the departure of Kobayashi kind
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of a little bull and yeah, yeah, it's it's like, hey,
he've got two of the greatest to ever do it,
but you know we're gonna arbitrarily keep this one guy out.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Wait, so Kobeyashi's not can't be in.
Speaker 5 (36:08):
He's been banned since twenty ten. Since twenty ten, has
been banned.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah for what.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Was he gambling on himself? Did he throw a first
pitch that was way way way outside and there was
betting irregularities? Like do we have any idea what he's
been banned for? I just thought he fell off.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
It's some violation of a contract or something. And then
they had bad blood. Remember he showed up at the
he got banned from the twenty ten event, showed up
at the twenty eleven event and then went up on
stage to congratulate the winner, and like they had police
escort him.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Yeah, it's it was literally just because it's a contractual
band between him and Nathan's Hot Dogs. It's not like
he cheated or gambled or anything. It's just it's it's
he he did. I think he did some sort of
eating contest that wasn't sanctioned by Nathan's Does he?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
So they're like the NCAA, like, you're not saying she
you can't do it? So does he perform an other
eating competition?
Speaker 5 (37:07):
He does? He has? Yes? And is he?
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Is he as good as Joey Chesna.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I that's the problem. The world will never know.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Will never know.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Okay, I don't think that's much of a hot take.
That's a That's why I had no idea. It's I
felt like that was ben Kenoby to say the jokes.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Say the joke, Jason say the joke. It's so good.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Well, I would like to take ownership over the joke.
But Seth McFarlin, through his his movie about Star Wars,
made the joke that like remember that scene when Luke
and R two watch Princess Leah say Obi wan Kenoby,
you're my only hope and Luke says, I wonder if
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she means old. Ben Kenoby and Seth McFarland's joke is
the uh. The Imperial Forces are trying to rid the
universe of jedis they almost did it. Then Kenobi's hiding
in a cave in Tattooine and he decides not to
change his last name, just his first name. They'll never find.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Well, when I when I heard Kobeyashi, I thought, that's
the name I have.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Not heard a long long time, a long long time.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
What else you got, Jaysu?
Speaker 5 (38:27):
That's it all right?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Well that's the news and stopping the Herd line news.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Oh. Doug Gottlieben for Colin Coward coming up next best
for last what we say?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
You'll have to tune in next in ther.
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Speaker 3 (38:54):
Do Doo doo doo do doodle do.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
I love this time of year.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Really kind of the this is a good sports reset
time of year. You know, it's like we just kind
of end of the sports year. I know, you're like, well,
it's the middle of baseball season. Like yeah, I mean
it's still it's stilly end of the sports here. But
I hope you have a great, safe fourth July and uh,
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calling back on Monday before we get there, though, get's
get to the Best for Last.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It's almost the end of the show. But that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Okay, So for Best for Last, Jay stew I thought
the very easiest thing to do was, you know, we
saw your boy KB and he was on social media
today and he was he was helping people understand the
difference between a cookout and barbecue. I thought it was
that's Kyle Brandt, by the way, for people don't know,
(40:04):
and I thought it was. It was great stuff. But
I do think that people need to need to understand
that in prioritizing the plate today on a cookout or
a barbecue or a get together lake beach whatever, like,
you only have so much space, right, only have so
(40:26):
much space. So if you're going to you know, break
it down, then you need to understand there's a pecking
order for what requires and what gets right a first
refusal on your plate, okay, which brings us to the
best for Last.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
I got five things that have to be on your plate,
the order of which they are so again profeta if
you can. Usually we do number five, number four, number three, No, no,
I want you to do it in opposite because number
one is most important.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Number one, number.
Speaker 4 (41:04):
Five, There you go. Number one is the protein. Number
one is the protein. More specifically, okay, whatever comes off
the barbecue or excuse me, the smoker. You know again,
I always I think these are the days in which
you have. It's not a day when you go, hey man,
I'm watching my weight.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Hey man, I just keto keto. You could be keto.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
So again in number one, ribs, any sort of pork product.
Today is the day if you inbide on swine, and
I do. Number one is pork, pork ribs, pulled pork,
and I I will allow beef ribs, but any sort
of fatty meat gets the gets the right of first
(41:51):
refusal and should get the biggest pie, if you will
on your plate.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Number two, number one.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Okay, number number two again.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
For me, it has to be something that blends with that.
That's where the mashed potatoes or potato salad or macaroni
and cheese go. Because the truth is that say you
have ribs or you have burnt ends, and a little
piece of them break off and then they mix with
macaroni and cheese. That's delicious as well. Okay, so it
(42:25):
acts as more than just a food. It's a barrier
but also can combine. That's number two. Number three okay,
so now you have your meat, probably have your carb.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
This is where you throw in some sort of vegetable. Okay,
some sort of vegetable. It can be a salad. But again,
part of the genius to it is you'll probably get
a bite with the meat, you'll probably get a bite
with the carb as well, and it still all works together.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Number four, Number four, fruit, but the fruit can only
really be watermelon. Other fruits just don't work. Fruit salad
just doesn't work. And number five, number five, okay, I'm
okay with adding dessert on top of whatever else you're eating,
because it's still delicious. There's your breakdown in importance of
(43:18):
the plate. That's your best for last. Have a happy
and safe fourth. We'll talk to you Monday. I'm Doug
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