July 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Colin talks to Penn State QB Drew Allar about his team, the upcoming season, how he has improved, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
I thought it was interesting George Pickens, who is super
talented in Pittsburgh, but he's now a Dallas Cowboy, and
he had a comment yesterday listen to the of the
three head coaches he's had in his life, he conspicuously
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leaves one out when he's talking about the new Cowboy gig.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He's probably one of the best coaches I've ever had around.
Definitely a size like Kirby Smart and a lot of
other legend coaches that I played for. But his energy,
like you said, his energy is like one of one.
I think I needed a first start, just in terms
of like you said, people not knowing me. I'm definitely
excited to run better plays for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, And I said this, like when you consider how
good the overall roster is and how good their defense is,
and a great defense we all know this helps an offense,
Like we all know that right gives you a better
field position. You can open up the playbook. You don't
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have to get in shootouts and put your quarterback in
bad spots. Having a great defense, I mean, I mean,
when Kansas City got off of Tyreek Hill, their defense
got better, and the defense they didn't have to have
great offensive firepower to get to Super Bowls. So a
defense helps an offense a lot. And so it's kind
of remarkable that the Steelers, with their good defense, their
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offense is bottom of the league. That I mean, can
you imagine if their defense was bad? So they're kind
of a one sided franchise. And I asked Albert Breer,
who's at Vikings camp, what if this thing, I mean
quarterback right now for this team, Aaron Rodgers. You know,
they're all loading up on Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers
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and DK metkev Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What if it goes sideways? Is Mike Tomlin in trouble?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't think he's going to get fired, you know.
And I think everybody understands what the score is there.
This is one last run, maybe two last runs with
the core that they've built around guys like TJ. Watt
and Cam Hayward, and let's see if we can get
past the point where a nine or ten win team
sneaking into the playoffs and then losing our first playoff game.
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I think whether it happens in twenty twenty six or
twenty twenty seven, there's a reset slash rebuild coming. And
one of the operative questions on that, when you're looking
at it, is having a coach who's been there for
almost two decades.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Does he still want to be here?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Do we still want him here?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, the questions I think that have to be asked.
I think they're going to be about a five hundred
team nine to eight, eight to nine, and that's good
enough right for Pittsburgh now, but it's AFC man. You
start looking at the quarterbacks. We got about eight good ones,
all in their prime, and the Steels is in his forties.
There was a stat this week on the Show or
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last week, late quarterbacks forty years of age or older
have won only twelve playoff games. Brady's got ten of
the twelve wins.
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Speaker 2 (04:42):
Jmackle the news, Turn on the news. This is the
headline news. Rry Colin, you'll love this.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
So ESPN ranked the top fifty NFL offseason moves.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Obviously everybody could get.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
The first one, the Rams landing Devontae Adams clear number one.
Number two, Titans drafting Cam We're not a huge surprise there.
Number three, mild surprise. The Bears acquired Joe Tooney. That's
a good pick up. With the third best I was
a little surprise. And then you got the Raiders drafting
Gent I don't know if I agree, and then the
Commander's acquiring Laramy Tunsel. But we wanted to focus for
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a second on Aaron Rodgers going to the Steelers. That
was graded out as the nineteen most important offseason move nineteen.
What does that say about how far Rodgers has fallen talent?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, first of all, I think Cam Moore to the Titans,
I'd put number one. If he's as good as I
think because he will change outcomes. DeVante Adams is really good,
but he's not touching the ball. Pookinaku is on the
other side, Kyron Williams, So he may have like eight
targets a game and seven catches. But I do think
ESPN got it right. I agree with all five of those.
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Maybe a little different order. Yeah, I don't have any
problem with any of those. I would probably put Aaron
higher the nineteenth. He's probably closer to ten or twelve.
He is a quarterback. He is going to take sixty
snaps a game. But I think we all know this,
and I don't think it's a shot. Is you get
to be forty plus, you're not the same player, You're
just not the same level of player.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well, I guess one of the big pushbacks is, you know,
DeVante Adams doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Just catch passes.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
You have to focus on him as a deep threat
on the slants.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
He will make you change your.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Defense because last year Cooper Cup he.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Didn't totally do that.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
I think people notice by the second half of the
season it just wasn't there for Cup. The injuries kind
of getting old. I think Adams totally changes a calculus.
This is a run first offense with Kyrid Williams right,
and Devonte's gonna he's gonna get a lot of open looks.
But yeah, overall, I think we largely agree.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Andrey Hudgers if Ashton gent for the Raiders is as
good as I think most people think, and I I mean,
let's face it, if you're a running back and you
come out of Boise State, there's a lot of critics
who say you didn't play anybody. But if you go
to his games against like Oregon, he made a lot
of guys look bad. If he's as good as I
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think he's going to be with the upgrade, Pete Carroll,
Chip Kelly, and I like Geno Smith. I think Gino
and Sam Darnold are very similar players, kind of bombed early,
got the right staff reboot. Both are athletes with size.
If you pressure both, they make mistakes. They can get
a little reckless, but they're very besh solid quarterbacks. I'm
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gonna tell you something. The Raiders are gonna beat Kansas City,
the Chargers in Denver. They're gonna they're going to beat
those teams. I feel like they're gonna knock off all
those guys. I think the Raiders have a chance to
split every series in their division and finish fourth.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's their schedule look like?
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But how about this Raiders division wins over under two
and a half?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I go under because that means they do split
with like a Denver in Kansas. I would go under
on two and a half.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You think they'll go to and one and a half.
I would go over.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Interesting, I mean Ashton genty create force to one hundred
and fifty two misstackles. That was forty nine. Now, the
schedule is easier, but that's forty nine more than any
other running back. He also had two hundred and sixty
more rushing yards after contact than any other player had
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total rushing yards. So I think the one when I
watched his video, I just think this kid's gonna be special.
The one thing about him that there was very noticed.
I watched him play three times, a lot of highlights,
and three times he is so small and so strong
that you can't get under him.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He reminds me of a running back.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
He's a combination of Robert Newhouse, who played for the
Cowboys running back years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He was a very good modern reference.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Robert Newhouse sounds like an author.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I would say Robert Newhouse and Barry Sanders. Oh, I
think he has Barry Sanders shiftiness. New House's strength that
you can't you can't get leverage on him, so like,
forget it for as a corner of safety. You're not
bringing him down by yourself. You need two guys to
bring him down because you can't get pad leverage on him.
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So if you look at the Raiders' schedule, I'll be honest,
it's it's kind.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Of I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I get the Titans, the Colts, and the and the
Patriots early. That's that's there ease in your way, and
you get your buy in week eight.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Then the Jags.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Now, how about this, though you got a lot of
travel from Vegas to New England to Washington, you got
to fake Patrick Mahomes early, and you got Denver on
the back end twice. I don't like that at all. Anyways,
let's move on to the next one, Colin, and that's
the Commanders. Remember they got von Miller last week. He's
so fired up he had options. Von Miller of course,
the great edg Rusher going to the Hall of Fame
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for sure, But the reason he picked DC largely was
Jaden Daniels. Here's his quote, you can't leave Josh Allen
and just go anywhere. Von Miller said, you can't leave
your old girlfriend and just go with anybody. Like Josh
Allen was the MVP of the league last year. I
feel like Jaden Daniels has MVP potential as well. That's
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a great quote from bon Miller.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know, we talk about this when you go from college,
what is your strength? And in year one or two
does your strength in college work in the pros? For instance,
Johnny Manziel ran around in college, but he wasn't athletic
enough to do that in the pro. So you could
tell very early, oh, it's not going to work because
he oughtn't a big, strong guy with a huge arm.
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So I could tell very early with Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Two starts. Same with Tebow, you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
They're not athletic enough to run around like they did
in college. What's interesting about Jaden Daniels His number one
strength in college wasn't his running around. It was his
fourth quarter quarterback play at LSU in Arizona State and
is playing from behind nine stats they were unbelievable that's
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exactly what he did in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's where you know you have a star. Same with
Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
His toughness and his ability to do pre snap greatness.
You saw instantly with Andrew Luck. Two starts, oh tougher,
the seven dollars steak, and he can pre snap.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
He's a wizard. So that's what I look for.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So Caleb Williams ran around a lot in college and
was successful, but last year was Chicago running around, he
got sacked sixty eight times. So his strength did not
It did not work in the NFL. So that's why
Caleb's got some things to clean up quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
The final story, Colin. Now, I mentioned the Miami Dolphins earlier,
and you know Tyreek Hills back, remember how he ended
the season. He's like got out deuced to see you.
It's getting interesting. We just have audio here that just
arrived recently. Tua is now answering questions about his relationship
with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Now just remember Tyreek basically suggested, I'm out. I don't
want to do this anymore with these guys.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
This is what Tua said this week.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Hey, but for everybody, but everyone knows what he can
do on the field. Everyone respects what he can do
on a field. But I think you know he's he's
still trying to figure things out for himself as well,
kind of the man he wants to be. And you know,
he's not too young. Like everybody makes mistakes. It's just
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some people, you know, they they're in the spotlight, you know,
and and there's their deals get a get pushed out
more than than some others.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Let's be totally honest. Tua's mature. Tyreek Hill is immature.
That's as clean and clear as you can say. One
guy is an adult. He may not be a superstar talent,
but he makes grown up decisions. He's committed, and Tyreek
Hill is still a kid.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Let me quote yeah, yeah, it's still a relationship. It's
still a work in progress, not just for me, but
for everybody. He's talking to the media about. Tyreek Hill
a volatile receiver. We know off the field, he's got
a lot of legal issues and several baby mamas and
kids all around.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like he's got a lot going on.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And now for in the locker room people to be like,
hey man, you got to repair this stuff. I don't
like those vibes I would not be shocked if Tyreek
Hill were shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
If Miami's not doing well, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
at all.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I never bought into He's gonna make Miami a Super
Bowl contender because the bottom line, January is cold. Miami's
got a quarterback who is not a big arm quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
The deep ball.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Randy Moss did not win a Super Bowl with the Patriots.
The deep ball is really effective until about November first,
and then the league changes and gets much more physical.
So Tua is not a big arm quarterback. Tyreek's a
deep threat. He would make great highlights. He would be fun.
But Kansas City would not have moved off Calvin Johnson.
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Kansas City would not have moved off Larry Fitzgerald. Part
of Tyreek is that you have to You're inheriting a
lot of stuff that could be distracted.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Team that makes sense, perhaps strong coach and strong quarterback
Washington with Dan Quinn and Jade Daniels night too.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I've already got McLaurin and Debo. Devo's enough of the list. Well,
see what's going on with McLaurin.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Deebo's heard a lot I'm just saying Washington's close, man,
they have a loaded roster.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
J mckle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, I've said it multiple times. I have Penn State
winning the Big Ten. I have Penn State playing for
the national championship. And I think the top two draft
picks are going to be, in no particular order, Drew
Aller and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Arch Manning.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And Drew's nice enough to join us. Drew, it's great scene.
I appreciate you doing it. Sure a busy guy. You're
doing interviews and I appreciate it, and I really I
know you're busy.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I watched you two years ago and I said,
he's good, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I don't know what he is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Then I watched you last year. You were more athletic,
you were more accurate. So you tell me what was
the difference for you between last year and the year before.
Where did you think you improved?
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean I think where I improved the most was,
like you said, athletically.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I think I we have the best training staff.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
In the country at Penn State, and that's headed by
coach Losi, he did a phenomenal job with me. Going
into that offseason, I met with him and coach Franklin,
Danny and Coach k trying to figure out like where
I wanted to play at wait wise, So I dropped
like ten pounds going into the last year and that
helped a lot. That helped us style of offense we
wanted to play. And also I think just another year
playing quarterback in the Big ten. Like, I'm pretty young
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when it comes to playing quarterback. I've only been starting
for five and a half years or something like that.
So I feel like with the more experience I gained,
the better I'm getting.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And I think that's.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Kind of a testament to my whole process and really
how we operate at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
It's always about the process.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Obviously we want the end results, but it's really about
the more of the process more than the destination at
some point.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So I watched the game last year. You completed seventeen
passes to Tyler Warren against USC. It was an incredible performance.
Do you worry a little bit? You have lost your
number one target? And as a quarterback he was just
a big, strong guy. You could throw it in the flat.
You could throw it in the scene, you could do it,
throw it downfield. Are you having to kind of retrain
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yourself when you look down the field because he's not
around anymore.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Not necessarily, But I mean, I'm super happy for Tyler
that he ended up in Indianapolis. I mean, he deserves
everything that he's earned up into his career. At this point,
he's gonna be a phenomenal player and play a long
time in the NFL, just because of the type of
guy he is, the type of teammate he is obviously
phenomenal player, but even better teammate to have in your organization.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
But as far as like other.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Weapons we have on our team, we did a lot
of adding to our team this year. Obviously we have
the three transfers that we brought in, but we still
have a lot of young guys that are going to
take that next step this year. We have a lot
of young potential in that tight end room. Khalil Dinkins
was one of the most undervalued players, especially on our team,
but I think of all the country last year, the
stuff he did on a weekly basis, blocking d NS
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and doing all the dirty work so ty.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Could get open down the field. It doesn't go.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Unnoticing our room. So I'm really excited for this year
and this opportunity that we have and being in our
same system as we were last year with coach k
being back another year.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
I think we have a lot of potential and a
lot of weapons to throw to this year.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So one of the reasons I like you. Cam Ward,
who went number one this year, was a zero star recruit.
People overlooked him. Josh Allen's father had to send out
tapes no Division one offers. Aaron Rodgers went to junior college.
The truth is Peyton Manning is an outlier where he's
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a great high school or a great college. Number one,
that's an outlier. Most guys that quarterback in the NFL.
Patrick Mahomes had a losing college record. So I love
your journey. When is the first time in your journey
go back to high school that you thought because you're
obviously you're going to get drafted in the NFL. When
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was the first time Drew that you played? Could have
been a practice, could have been a game. When you're
sitting there in your dorm room and you're like, you know,
I may be a pro football player.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of crazy to reflect on.
I've talked to my parents a ton about it, just
because of how late I started playing quarterback. I didn't
start playing quarterback till really my freshman year of high school,
so I was really new to all that. Went through
a lot of transitions in term of throwing, emotion, and
all that sort of stuff off the field with that.
But yeah, I mean I think the first time I
really realized it was when I honestly started playing football
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here at Penn State, like being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I think that's when it kind.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Of really set in because obviously that's always been a
dream of mine to have that opportunity to hear my
name called, and obviously I'm working towards it every day.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But I mean, I'm looking forward to when that time comes.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
But for me, the biggest thing is going out with
this season and competing week in and week out, enjoying
every moment that I have left at Penn State, because
I mean, time has definitely flown by. I can't believe
I'm already in my senior year. It feels like I
just stepped on campus yesterday. So I'm really excited for
this season to go out and improve the type of
player I am, the type of leader and teammate that
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I am, because I've been putting in a lot of
work this offseason with a lot of guys on the team,
and I'm really excited to really just spot the ball
and play football again.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So obviously, Arch Manning, you know, there's a bunch of
Mannings that played football. Everybody knows and you could be
the best college quarterback, but we didn't really know you
much until about a year ago. So I am interested.
When you're a college quarterback, I can't really to this.
At a big college football power, do you have to
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do selfies on campus? I mean, is it what is
it like to be you outside of the football games,
to be a college student?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
If I could ask, Yeah, it's definitely crazy, especially in
a place like Penn State where we have such a
passionate fan base, and obviously it's a college town, so
whenever you're out in town doing whatever, getting food with
teammates and that sort of thing, like you're going to
be recognized. So there's a lot that comes with the
territory that I've kind of grown to kind of adapt
to that and just embrace it because I'm definitely not
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like the extrovert in terms of that sort of thing,
Like I kind of like sticking to my close group
of friends and that sort of thing, being to myself
and really minding my own business. But it was definitely
a culture sock, I would say, because I mean, I
come from a relatively small town of Madina, but like
it's nothing like state college with the football and that
sort of thing. Like I've had plenty of conversations with
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coach Franklin and his family and how to handle that.
So it's definitely something that just comes with the territory.
I think something I've handled better each year that I've
been a starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What is your favorite part, Drew of your game? Like,
when you want I'm watching highlights, you made a throw
against Oregon that was insane, But is there something if
you're you're a humble kid, but is there something about
your game You're like, yeah, I think I'm pretty good
at this.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think the thing I'm most
excited about my game is I know I can make
any throw on the field against any coverage and that
sort of thing, like I could throw it side on
the sideline if I need to, as far as I
need to downfield. So I think just you know, that
ability that I've been blessed with, and just trying to
take advantage of all of that and really fine tuning
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it so I can pull it out of my bag
whenever I need it in terms of, you know, just
ramping up my accuracy when I need to be more
accurate in times throughout games and throughout the season. So
I think the ability that I've been I've been blessed
with to make really any throw on the field from
any different platform that I'm able to. I think that's
my favorite part about my game because I've seen guys
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like like you mentioned earlier, Mahomes and Josh Allen and
really all the NFL quarterbacks be able to do stuff
like that and something that you know, I take pride
and I definitely work on. But now it's just about
you know, working on it and also being accurate with
it and just pulling it out at the right times.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Finally, the Big Ten's got great rivalries. Everybody knows about
Michigan Ohio State. Is there a game for you when
you look at the schedule or last year or this
year obviously Penn State and pitt But is there a
Big Ten team? I mean, you play Oregon, Northwestern, You're
Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers. Who do
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you view when you look at that schedule? Who gets
you amped up? Who do you get fired up about?
Just thinking about?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I'm to give a very cliche answer, but like for me,
it's all about playing football. I don't care who we're
playing or where we're playing, just the opportunity to put
on the Penn State blue and white and really strap
our homadow and play for coach Franklin and all the
coaches that we have on staff. Whenever I get the opportunity,
I'm not taking it for granted. Obviously, Like you said,
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we have a lot of tough, big time opponents this year,
and I'm really looking forward to all of them because
they're all going to be very challenging. We have a
very deep conference in terms of talent and just coaching
staffs across the Big Ten, so I'm really excited for
every opportunity that we have to play in this fall.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, you're a good kid. Your mom and Dad, have
done a great job. You just keep getting better and better,
and we wish the very best of luck for the
Nitney Lions.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
No, thank you, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Drew Aller who is I think he and arch Manning
Nuss myert lsu Kate Club Nick at Clemson's obviously very good.
It's gonna be a fascinating year. It is a very
potentially and all those guys were productive last year, but
it pot there's a little bit, maybe not stylistically, there's
a little bit of Josh Allen in Drew Aller. Small school,
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nobody paid attention, relatively unknown, you know, gets one or
two offers, accuracy issues, really good kid, committed. Now Josh
is more athletic in terms of jumping over people. He
wears the Superman cape. But they're like their games when
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you watch them play, there's a little bit of a similarity.
Their size, both good arms, both big, both small towns,
both bumpy journeys. Didn't know much about him until like
their second year, third year in college. So interesting, really
really good kid.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You can tell.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Like this year's draft, I kept saying it wasn't a
great draft. There was one quarterback of note I'm already
jacked up for next year's draft.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lincoln Riley on the show, a lot of pressure on him.
I'm watching some other reasonably notable talking heads talking about
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is I think it's fair.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Lincoln Riley inherited Bob Stew's momentumum program, and when eleven
games a year and there's no question he can coach,
That's not the question. I've watched every USC game of
note over the last three years.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He can coach.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But the question is, can you build a program that's different,
that's a different you know, that's the difference between being
a good podcaster and building a podcast empire.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Those are two different asks.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So I know on Lincoln Roddy can coach, and I
know he can recruit, But there is so much in
developing a program. It is relationships, the staff you hire,
developing players, recruiting players, you know, building his staff, Saban
was unbelievable. Saban would lose an offensive coordinator. He just
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kept I mean, Jim mcelwaine, the nuss Meyer, Dasar to Kiffin,
Bill O'Brien. He just kept nailing the other side of
the ball. So Lincoln can coach the game. Plans are smart,
his quarterbacks all work. The question becomes wow, and I
worry about it because I looked at the all first
team Big Ten selections. Indiana had four, iowad four US.
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He had none. Now, I do think they have three
or four really good players that could make first team
after the season. But those are all fair questions about
Lincoln running.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Can he build his own program?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
In fairness, he won eleven games and a lot of
big games in Oklahoma, so it's not like he took
over for Bob Stoops and won eleven ten, nine eight.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
They were really really good.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I was bringing him on the show because he was
so innovative offensively. All his quarterbacks became great transfer guys,
guys in the program. And he also took over a
mess at USC. I had somebody inside the program, not
Lincoln Riley, tell me when they took it over, they
felt they had thirty five to thirty seven USC players
over half the roster shouldn't have been at USC. It
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was a big lift it was. It wasn't a moderate lift.
It was a big, big lift. And so by the way,
it feels like kind of the lift Dabbo Shweeney had
to make when he got to Clemson. They weren't very good.
It took Dabbo three full recruiting classes. Now, the critics
of Lincoln Ronnie could say, well, he has the nil
(27:34):
that's fair. I said before in coach, can he build
his own program? Shovel in the ground. Four years later,
they're a major playoff team.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I think they're about an eight or nine win team.
A lot depends on the quarterback play. They finally have
an offensive line that I like with like NFL bodies,
So we'll see. So it's we talked about this earlier today.
I think Jayden Daniels is its remarkable. He's the best
rookie quarterback I've ever seen. That includes John Elway. I
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don't remember much about his rookie season. I remember more
about the middle and end.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Of his career.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But he's the best rookie I've ever seen, better than
Andrew Locke and John Elway, who are both really good,
really smart, really athletic, but made a lot of mistakes
and threw a lot of picks.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He didn't do any of that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Part of the reason that Jaden Daniels has worked so successfully.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He gets rid of the ball quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
In fact, last year he got rid of the ball
second quickest in the league. And that's for a guy
that could tuck it and run. That is discipline, that
is cognitive ability. That kid could take off and run.
He's like, no, I'm gonna get rid of the ball.
So you're talking about a kid that is functioning above
the shoulders. And this was what Mahomes does. Mahomes could
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take off and run every play. He does it about
three times a game. So Jaden's a guy that is
just different. He is different with his legs, his arm,
and upstairs. I mean he is functioning at a level
upstairs that just veterans don't do. Second quickest release that
is something for a rookie. That means he can see it,
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let go of it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And by the.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Way, there's a lot of guys's rookies that can't even
see it. They can't see the openings. He sees it
and lets it rip. So and it's funny because I
was watching a podcast called Pivot. Bill Belichick was on it,
and he was talking about Brady, and of all the
great things Brady did, it's the two things last year
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that Jaden Daniels has already figured.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Out as a quarterback. We all know worse situation you
can be in a long yardage and so as long
as the ball moves forward, you stay out a long yardage.
And Tom did such a great job of not allowing
negative plays to happen to our offense. Number two. As
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I've told Tom many times, Tom, we can't gain any
yards until you get rid of the ball. And then
of course he made, you know, great decisions under pressure
and had a tremendous ability to see the field and
understand situational football and make quick decisions under pressure.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But isn't it interesting The first two things he mentions
are no prestat penalties. We always went forward, and we
asked the goat to let let go of the ball quickly,
not to hold it. So again, Jaden Daniels, get that
thing out of your hands. That's where Caleb Williams has
to improve. I don't care about his total yards and
his touchdowns. I don't care let go of the ball,
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he holds the ball. Some of that is hero ball.
I want to make a play, don't it doesn't work.
You can do a little bit of that Cam did,
Big Ben did. Your career will be short. So he
just got Now you can blame the offensive line. But
Matt hassel Beck and others including Greg Cosel, came on
this show and said, don't blame the on line for
all of it. He's holding the ball too long. And
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so here's the other thing to remember. Our staff found
this stat if you go look at Caleb Williams numbers
last year, j Mac, this is interesting. When he held
the ball under two and a half seconds, his passer
rating was ninety nine. Over two and a half it
was eighty one. So meaning the best stuff, the fruit
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on the limb, is on getting rid of the ball quickly.
So you think to yourself, now I'm going to hold it.
Let the play develop. Know the play deteriorates, protection deterior rates.
Take it one thousand and one, one thousand and two
letter rip. That's what Jayden Daniels did, It's what Caleb
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And I understand the habit because.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
In high school and college Caleb's like I'm a hold
of a beat and you win Lamar Jackson had a
little bit of that as rookie year first two years.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm going to hold it a beat.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
No, no, that works in high school, in college, and it
works in the NFL a little, but you will take
a beating. And Lamar, what did he do about year
three in the league. He put on weight and he
ran less. It's like you figure, Michael Vick told me, Yeah,
I got hit by London Fletcher. I've decided to get
better in the pocket like that. That's just the real
I think it was London Fletcher. That's just the reality
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of the position.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It didn't Caleb say.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
He was watching film by himself last year in Chicago.
He just wasn't getting the support from the staff. That's
the kind of thing like go in watch the film,
hey man quick reads. You know who's really good at
processing and getting rid of the football?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Rock Perdy. Look at him in the pocket. He's amazing.
Just dropped the back bing bang boom.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Now you could argue that's the Shanahan system. Fine, I
believe that. But Ben Johnson and Goff, you know, GoF
got rid of it quick in Detroit. Now, he did
have a great offensive line. I think there's a world
where Caleb is excellent this year and does the things
he needs and avoid sacks and gets rid of the floor.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You no, Goff, you could look this up.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Goff may have had five or six games, or he
completed eighty percent of his throws.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Why see it spin? It just don't. Sometimes you just
you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And I understand how golf is not golf, and Brady,
you're not super athletic, So I understand they understand get
it out. I do think it's harder if you're Lamar Jackson,
or you're Josh Allen, or you're Maholmes, or you're Caleb Williams,
Well you can actually tuck it and run and pick up.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
A lot of yards like it is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I do think it's harder for the athlete quarterback to
just always want to get rid of it fast because
you've had because you had so much success tucking it
and running it.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
You know, sometimes, Colin, when I get to the line
of scrimmage here on the set, I've got to read
the defense that would be you, the topic before right,
the topic that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I know your takes.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
There's a lot that goes into processing here.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, isn't it just like Caleb, you need to let
go really quickly, get out of the plane very
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
I thought it was interesting George Pickens, who is super
talented in Pittsburgh, but he's now a Dallas Cowboy, and
he had a comment yesterday listen to the of the
three head coaches he's had in his life, he conspicuously
(00:47):
leaves one out when he's talking about the new Cowboy gig.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
He's probably one of the best coaches I've ever had around.
Definitely a size like Kirby Smart and a lot of
other legend coaches that I played for. But his energy,
like you said, his energy is like one of one.
I think I needed a first start, just in terms
of like you said, people not knowing me. I'm definitely
excited to run better plays for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, And I said this, like when you consider how
good the overall roster is and how good their defense is,
and a great defense we all know this helps an offense,
Like we all know that right gives you a better
field position. You can open up the playbook. You don't
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have to get in shootouts and put your quarterback in
bad spots. Having a great defense, I mean, I mean,
when Kansas City got off of Tyreek Hill, their defense
got better, and the defense they didn't have to have
great offensive firepower to get to Super Bowls. So a
defense helps an offense a lot. And so it's kind
of remarkable that the Steelers, with their good defense, their
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offense is bottom of the league. That I mean, can
you imagine if their defense was bad? So they're kind
of a one sided franchise. And I asked Albert Breer,
who's at Vikings camp, what if this thing, I mean
quarterback right now for this team, Aaron Rodgers. You know,
they're all loading up on Darius Slay and Aaron Rodgers
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and DK metkev Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
What if it goes sideways? Is Mike Tomlin in trouble?
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I don't think he's going to get fired, you know.
And I think everybody understands what the score is there.
This is one last run, maybe two last runs with
the core that they've built around guys like TJ. Watt
and Cam Hayward, and let's see if we can get
past the point where a nine or ten win team
sneaking into the playoffs and then losing our first playoff game.
(02:43):
I think whether it happens in twenty twenty six or
twenty twenty seven, there's a reset slash rebuild coming. And
one of the operative questions on that, when you're looking
at it, is having a coach who's been there for
almost two decades.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Does he still want to be here?
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Do we still want him here?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, the questions I think that have to be asked.
I think they're going to be about a five hundred
team nine to eight, eight to nine, and that's good
enough right for Pittsburgh now, but it's AFC man. You
start looking at the quarterbacks. We got about eight good ones,
all in their prime, and the Steels is in his forties.
There was a stat this week on the Show or
(03:21):
last week, late quarterbacks forty years of age or older
have won only twelve playoff games. Brady's got ten of
the twelve wins.
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Speaker 2 (04:42):
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headline news. Rry Colin, you'll love this.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
So ESPN ranked the top fifty NFL offseason moves.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Obviously everybody could get.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
The first one, the Rams landing Devontae Adams clear number one.
Number two, Titans drafting Cam We're not a huge surprise there.
Number three, mild surprise. The Bears acquired Joe Tooney. That's
a good pick up. With the third best I was
a little surprise. And then you got the Raiders drafting
Gent I don't know if I agree, and then the
Commander's acquiring Laramy Tunsel. But we wanted to focus for
(05:19):
a second on Aaron Rodgers going to the Steelers. That
was graded out as the nineteen most important offseason move nineteen.
What does that say about how far Rodgers has fallen talent?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, first of all, I think Cam Moore to the Titans,
I'd put number one. If he's as good as I
think because he will change outcomes. DeVante Adams is really good,
but he's not touching the ball. Pookinaku is on the
other side, Kyron Williams, So he may have like eight
targets a game and seven catches. But I do think
ESPN got it right. I agree with all five of those.
(05:53):
Maybe a little different order. Yeah, I don't have any
problem with any of those. I would probably put Aaron
higher the nineteenth. He's probably closer to ten or twelve.
He is a quarterback. He is going to take sixty
snaps a game. But I think we all know this,
and I don't think it's a shot. Is you get
to be forty plus, you're not the same player, You're
just not the same level of player.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well, I guess one of the big pushbacks is, you know,
DeVante Adams doesn't.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Just catch passes.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
You have to focus on him as a deep threat
on the slants.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
He will make you change your.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Defense because last year Cooper Cup he.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Didn't totally do that.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
I think people notice by the second half of the
season it just wasn't there for Cup. The injuries kind
of getting old. I think Adams totally changes a calculus.
This is a run first offense with Kyrid Williams right,
and Devonte's gonna he's gonna get a lot of open looks.
But yeah, overall, I think we largely agree.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Andrey Hudgers if Ashton gent for the Raiders is as
good as I think most people think, and I I mean,
let's face it, if you're a running back and you
come out of Boise State, there's a lot of critics
who say you didn't play anybody. But if you go
to his games against like Oregon, he made a lot
of guys look bad. If he's as good as I
(07:03):
think he's going to be with the upgrade, Pete Carroll,
Chip Kelly, and I like Geno Smith. I think Gino
and Sam Darnold are very similar players, kind of bombed early,
got the right staff reboot. Both are athletes with size.
If you pressure both, they make mistakes. They can get
a little reckless, but they're very besh solid quarterbacks. I'm
(07:27):
gonna tell you something. The Raiders are gonna beat Kansas City,
the Chargers in Denver. They're gonna they're going to beat
those teams. I feel like they're gonna knock off all
those guys. I think the Raiders have a chance to
split every series in their division and finish fourth.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
What's their schedule look like?
Speaker 7 (07:44):
But how about this Raiders division wins over under two
and a half?
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I go under because that means they do split
with like a Denver in Kansas. I would go under
on two and a half.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You think they'll go to and one and a half.
I would go over.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Interesting, I mean Ashton genty create force to one hundred
and fifty two misstackles. That was forty nine. Now, the
schedule is easier, but that's forty nine more than any
other running back. He also had two hundred and sixty
more rushing yards after contact than any other player had
(08:22):
total rushing yards. So I think the one when I
watched his video, I just think this kid's gonna be special.
The one thing about him that there was very noticed.
I watched him play three times, a lot of highlights,
and three times he is so small and so strong
that you can't get under him.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He reminds me of a running back.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
He's a combination of Robert Newhouse, who played for the
Cowboys running back years ago.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He was a very good modern reference.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
Robert Newhouse sounds like an author.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I would say Robert Newhouse and Barry Sanders. Oh, I
think he has Barry Sanders shiftiness. New House's strength that
you can't you can't get leverage on him, so like,
forget it for as a corner of safety. You're not
bringing him down by yourself. You need two guys to
bring him down because you can't get pad leverage on him.
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So if you look at the Raiders' schedule, I'll be honest,
it's it's kind.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Of I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I get the Titans, the Colts, and the and the
Patriots early. That's that's there ease in your way, and
you get your buy in week eight.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Then the Jags.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
Now, how about this, though you got a lot of
travel from Vegas to New England to Washington, you got
to fake Patrick Mahomes early, and you got Denver on
the back end twice. I don't like that at all. Anyways,
let's move on to the next one, Colin, and that's
the Commanders. Remember they got von Miller last week. He's
so fired up he had options. Von Miller of course,
the great edg Rusher going to the Hall of Fame
(09:50):
for sure, But the reason he picked DC largely was
Jaden Daniels. Here's his quote, you can't leave Josh Allen
and just go anywhere. Von Miller said, you can't leave
your old girlfriend and just go with anybody. Like Josh
Allen was the MVP of the league last year. I
feel like Jaden Daniels has MVP potential as well. That's
(10:11):
a great quote from bon Miller.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know, we talk about this when you go from college,
what is your strength? And in year one or two
does your strength in college work in the pros? For instance,
Johnny Manziel ran around in college, but he wasn't athletic
enough to do that in the pro. So you could
tell very early, oh, it's not going to work because
he oughtn't a big, strong guy with a huge arm.
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So I could tell very early with Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Two starts. Same with Tebow, you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
They're not athletic enough to run around like they did
in college. What's interesting about Jaden Daniels His number one
strength in college wasn't his running around. It was his
fourth quarter quarterback play at LSU in Arizona State and
is playing from behind nine stats they were unbelievable that's
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exactly what he did in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's where you know you have a star. Same with
Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
His toughness and his ability to do pre snap greatness.
You saw instantly with Andrew Luck. Two starts, oh tougher,
the seven dollars steak, and he can pre snap.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
He's a wizard. So that's what I look for.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So Caleb Williams ran around a lot in college and
was successful, but last year was Chicago running around, he
got sacked sixty eight times. So his strength did not
It did not work in the NFL. So that's why
Caleb's got some things to clean up quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
The final story, Colin. Now, I mentioned the Miami Dolphins earlier,
and you know Tyreek Hills back, remember how he ended
the season. He's like got out deuced to see you.
It's getting interesting. We just have audio here that just
arrived recently. Tua is now answering questions about his relationship
with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Now just remember Tyreek basically suggested, I'm out. I don't
want to do this anymore with these guys.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
This is what Tua said this week.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
Hey, but for everybody, but everyone knows what he can
do on the field. Everyone respects what he can do
on a field. But I think you know he's he's
still trying to figure things out for himself as well,
kind of the man he wants to be. And you know,
he's not too young. Like everybody makes mistakes. It's just
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some people, you know, they they're in the spotlight, you know,
and and there's their deals get a get pushed out
more than than some others.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Let's be totally honest. Tua's mature. Tyreek Hill is immature.
That's as clean and clear as you can say. One
guy is an adult. He may not be a superstar talent,
but he makes grown up decisions. He's committed, and Tyreek
Hill is still a kid.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Let me quote yeah, yeah, it's still a relationship. It's
still a work in progress, not just for me, but
for everybody. He's talking to the media about. Tyreek Hill
a volatile receiver. We know off the field, he's got
a lot of legal issues and several baby mamas and
kids all around.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like he's got a lot going on.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
And now for in the locker room people to be like,
hey man, you got to repair this stuff. I don't
like those vibes I would not be shocked if Tyreek
Hill were shipped at the deadline.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
If Miami's not doing well, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised
at all.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I never bought into He's gonna make Miami a Super
Bowl contender because the bottom line, January is cold. Miami's
got a quarterback who is not a big arm quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
The deep ball.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Randy Moss did not win a Super Bowl with the Patriots.
The deep ball is really effective until about November first,
and then the league changes and gets much more physical.
So Tua is not a big arm quarterback. Tyreek's a
deep threat. He would make great highlights. He would be fun.
But Kansas City would not have moved off Calvin Johnson.
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Kansas City would not have moved off Larry Fitzgerald. Part
of Tyreek is that you have to You're inheriting a
lot of stuff that could be distracted.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
Team that makes sense, perhaps strong coach and strong quarterback
Washington with Dan Quinn and Jade Daniels night too.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I've already got McLaurin and Debo. Devo's enough of the list. Well,
see what's going on with McLaurin.
Speaker 7 (14:29):
Deebo's heard a lot I'm just saying Washington's close, man,
they have a loaded roster.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
J mckle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Well, I've said it multiple times. I have Penn State
winning the Big Ten. I have Penn State playing for
the national championship. And I think the top two draft
picks are going to be, in no particular order, Drew
Aller and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Arch Manning.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And Drew's nice enough to join us. Drew, it's great scene.
I appreciate you doing it. Sure a busy guy. You're
doing interviews and I appreciate it, and I really I
know you're busy.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I watched you two years ago and I said,
he's good, but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I don't know what he is.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Then I watched you last year. You were more athletic,
you were more accurate. So you tell me what was
the difference for you between last year and the year before.
Where did you think you improved?
Speaker 9 (15:25):
Yeah, I mean I think where I improved the most was,
like you said, athletically.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I think I we have the best training staff.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
In the country at Penn State, and that's headed by
coach Losi, he did a phenomenal job with me. Going
into that offseason, I met with him and coach Franklin,
Danny and Coach k trying to figure out like where
I wanted to play at wait wise, So I dropped
like ten pounds going into the last year and that
helped a lot. That helped us style of offense we
wanted to play. And also I think just another year
playing quarterback in the Big ten. Like, I'm pretty young
(15:55):
when it comes to playing quarterback. I've only been starting
for five and a half years or something like that.
So I feel like with the more experience I gained,
the better I'm getting.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And I think that's.
Speaker 9 (16:04):
Kind of a testament to my whole process and really
how we operate at Penn State.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
It's always about the process.
Speaker 9 (16:10):
Obviously we want the end results, but it's really about
the more of the process more than the destination at
some point.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So I watched the game last year. You completed seventeen
passes to Tyler Warren against USC. It was an incredible performance.
Do you worry a little bit? You have lost your
number one target? And as a quarterback he was just
a big, strong guy. You could throw it in the flat.
You could throw it in the scene, you could do it,
throw it downfield. Are you having to kind of retrain
(16:37):
yourself when you look down the field because he's not
around anymore.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
Not necessarily, But I mean, I'm super happy for Tyler
that he ended up in Indianapolis. I mean, he deserves
everything that he's earned up into his career. At this point,
he's gonna be a phenomenal player and play a long
time in the NFL, just because of the type of
guy he is, the type of teammate he is obviously
phenomenal player, but even better teammate to have in your organization.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
But as far as like other.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
Weapons we have on our team, we did a lot
of adding to our team this year. Obviously we have
the three transfers that we brought in, but we still
have a lot of young guys that are going to
take that next step this year. We have a lot
of young potential in that tight end room. Khalil Dinkins
was one of the most undervalued players, especially on our team,
but I think of all the country last year, the
stuff he did on a weekly basis, blocking d NS
(17:24):
and doing all the dirty work so ty.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Could get open down the field. It doesn't go.
Speaker 9 (17:29):
Unnoticing our room. So I'm really excited for this year
and this opportunity that we have and being in our
same system as we were last year with coach k
being back another year.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
So I'm really excited.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
I think we have a lot of potential and a
lot of weapons to throw to this year.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So one of the reasons I like you. Cam Ward,
who went number one this year, was a zero star recruit.
People overlooked him. Josh Allen's father had to send out
tapes no Division one offers. Aaron Rodgers went to junior college.
The truth is Peyton Manning is an outlier where he's
(18:04):
a great high school or a great college. Number one,
that's an outlier. Most guys that quarterback in the NFL.
Patrick Mahomes had a losing college record. So I love
your journey. When is the first time in your journey
go back to high school that you thought because you're
obviously you're going to get drafted in the NFL. When
(18:24):
was the first time Drew that you played? Could have
been a practice, could have been a game. When you're
sitting there in your dorm room and you're like, you know,
I may be a pro football player.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of crazy to reflect on.
I've talked to my parents a ton about it, just
because of how late I started playing quarterback. I didn't
start playing quarterback till really my freshman year of high school,
so I was really new to all that. Went through
a lot of transitions in term of throwing, emotion, and
all that sort of stuff off the field with that.
But yeah, I mean I think the first time I
really realized it was when I honestly started playing football
(19:00):
here at Penn State, like being the starting quarterback.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I think that's when it kind.
Speaker 9 (19:04):
Of really set in because obviously that's always been a
dream of mine to have that opportunity to hear my
name called, and obviously I'm working towards it every day.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But I mean, I'm looking forward to when that time comes.
Speaker 9 (19:15):
But for me, the biggest thing is going out with
this season and competing week in and week out, enjoying
every moment that I have left at Penn State, because
I mean, time has definitely flown by. I can't believe
I'm already in my senior year. It feels like I
just stepped on campus yesterday. So I'm really excited for
this season to go out and improve the type of
player I am, the type of leader and teammate that
(19:35):
I am, because I've been putting in a lot of
work this offseason with a lot of guys on the team,
and I'm really excited to really just spot the ball
and play football again.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
So obviously, Arch Manning, you know, there's a bunch of
Mannings that played football. Everybody knows and you could be
the best college quarterback, but we didn't really know you
much until about a year ago. So I am interested.
When you're a college quarterback, I can't really to this.
At a big college football power, do you have to
(20:04):
do selfies on campus? I mean, is it what is
it like to be you outside of the football games,
to be a college student?
Speaker 9 (20:12):
If I could ask, Yeah, it's definitely crazy, especially in
a place like Penn State where we have such a
passionate fan base, and obviously it's a college town, so
whenever you're out in town doing whatever, getting food with
teammates and that sort of thing, like you're going to
be recognized. So there's a lot that comes with the
territory that I've kind of grown to kind of adapt
to that and just embrace it because I'm definitely not
(20:34):
like the extrovert in terms of that sort of thing,
Like I kind of like sticking to my close group
of friends and that sort of thing, being to myself
and really minding my own business. But it was definitely
a culture sock, I would say, because I mean, I
come from a relatively small town of Madina, but like
it's nothing like state college with the football and that
sort of thing. Like I've had plenty of conversations with
(20:54):
coach Franklin and his family and how to handle that.
So it's definitely something that just comes with the territory.
I think something I've handled better each year that I've
been a starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
What is your favorite part, Drew of your game? Like,
when you want I'm watching highlights, you made a throw
against Oregon that was insane, But is there something if
you're you're a humble kid, but is there something about
your game You're like, yeah, I think I'm pretty good
at this.
Speaker 9 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think the thing I'm most
excited about my game is I know I can make
any throw on the field against any coverage and that
sort of thing, like I could throw it side on
the sideline if I need to, as far as I
need to downfield. So I think just you know, that
ability that I've been blessed with, and just trying to
take advantage of all of that and really fine tuning
(21:41):
it so I can pull it out of my bag
whenever I need it in terms of, you know, just
ramping up my accuracy when I need to be more
accurate in times throughout games and throughout the season. So
I think the ability that I've been I've been blessed
with to make really any throw on the field from
any different platform that I'm able to. I think that's
my favorite part about my game because I've seen guys
(22:02):
like like you mentioned earlier, Mahomes and Josh Allen and
really all the NFL quarterbacks be able to do stuff
like that and something that you know, I take pride
and I definitely work on. But now it's just about
you know, working on it and also being accurate with
it and just pulling it out at the right times.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Finally, the Big Ten's got great rivalries. Everybody knows about
Michigan Ohio State. Is there a game for you when
you look at the schedule or last year or this
year obviously Penn State and pitt But is there a
Big Ten team? I mean, you play Oregon, Northwestern, You're
Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers. Who do
(22:38):
you view when you look at that schedule? Who gets
you amped up? Who do you get fired up about?
Just thinking about?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 9 (22:48):
I'm to give a very cliche answer, but like for me,
it's all about playing football. I don't care who we're
playing or where we're playing, just the opportunity to put
on the Penn State blue and white and really strap
our homadow and play for coach Franklin and all the
coaches that we have on staff. Whenever I get the opportunity,
I'm not taking it for granted. Obviously, Like you said,
(23:09):
we have a lot of tough, big time opponents this year,
and I'm really looking forward to all of them because
they're all going to be very challenging. We have a
very deep conference in terms of talent and just coaching
staffs across the Big Ten, so I'm really excited for
every opportunity that we have to play in this fall.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, you're a good kid. Your mom and Dad, have
done a great job. You just keep getting better and better,
and we wish the very best of luck for the
Nitney Lions.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
No, thank you, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Drew Aller who is I think he and arch Manning
Nuss myert lsu Kate Club Nick at Clemson's obviously very good.
It's gonna be a fascinating year. It is a very
potentially and all those guys were productive last year, but
it pot there's a little bit, maybe not stylistically, there's
a little bit of Josh Allen in Drew Aller. Small school,
(24:00):
nobody paid attention, relatively unknown, you know, gets one or
two offers, accuracy issues, really good kid, committed. Now Josh
is more athletic in terms of jumping over people. He
wears the Superman cape. But they're like their games when
(24:21):
you watch them play, there's a little bit of a similarity.
Their size, both good arms, both big, both small towns,
both bumpy journeys. Didn't know much about him until like
their second year, third year in college. So interesting, really
really good kid.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
You can tell.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Like this year's draft, I kept saying it wasn't a
great draft. There was one quarterback of note I'm already
jacked up for next year's draft.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
All right, back in a second in Chicago, It's the Hurt.
Be sure to catch five editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
Lincoln Riley on the show, a lot of pressure on him.
I'm watching some other reasonably notable talking heads talking about
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Is I think it's fair.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Lincoln Riley inherited Bob Stew's momentumum program, and when eleven
games a year and there's no question he can coach,
That's not the question. I've watched every USC game of
note over the last three years.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
He can coach.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
But the question is, can you build a program that's different,
that's a different you know, that's the difference between being
a good podcaster and building a podcast empire.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Those are two different asks.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
So I know on Lincoln Roddy can coach, and I
know he can recruit, But there is so much in
developing a program. It is relationships, the staff you hire,
developing players, recruiting players, you know, building his staff, Saban
was unbelievable. Saban would lose an offensive coordinator. He just
(26:05):
kept I mean, Jim mcelwaine, the nuss Meyer, Dasar to Kiffin,
Bill O'Brien. He just kept nailing the other side of
the ball. So Lincoln can coach the game. Plans are smart,
his quarterbacks all work. The question becomes wow, and I
worry about it because I looked at the all first
team Big Ten selections. Indiana had four, iowad four US.
(26:27):
He had none. Now, I do think they have three
or four really good players that could make first team
after the season. But those are all fair questions about
Lincoln running.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Can he build his own program?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Now?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
In fairness, he won eleven games and a lot of
big games in Oklahoma, so it's not like he took
over for Bob Stoops and won eleven ten, nine eight.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
They were really really good.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I was bringing him on the show because he was
so innovative offensively. All his quarterbacks became great transfer guys,
guys in the program. And he also took over a
mess at USC. I had somebody inside the program, not
Lincoln Riley, tell me when they took it over, they
felt they had thirty five to thirty seven USC players
over half the roster shouldn't have been at USC. It
(27:13):
was a big lift it was. It wasn't a moderate lift.
It was a big, big lift. And so by the way,
it feels like kind of the lift Dabbo Shweeney had
to make when he got to Clemson. They weren't very good.
It took Dabbo three full recruiting classes. Now, the critics
of Lincoln Ronnie could say, well, he has the nil
(27:34):
that's fair. I said before in coach, can he build
his own program? Shovel in the ground. Four years later,
they're a major playoff team.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I think they're about an eight or nine win team.
A lot depends on the quarterback play. They finally have
an offensive line that I like with like NFL bodies,
So we'll see. So it's we talked about this earlier today.
I think Jayden Daniels is its remarkable. He's the best
rookie quarterback I've ever seen. That includes John Elway. I
(28:05):
don't remember much about his rookie season. I remember more
about the middle and end.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Of his career.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
But he's the best rookie I've ever seen, better than
Andrew Locke and John Elway, who are both really good,
really smart, really athletic, but made a lot of mistakes
and threw a lot of picks.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
He didn't do any of that.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Part of the reason that Jaden Daniels has worked so successfully.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
He gets rid of the ball quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
In fact, last year he got rid of the ball
second quickest in the league. And that's for a guy
that could tuck it and run. That is discipline, that
is cognitive ability. That kid could take off and run.
He's like, no, I'm gonna get rid of the ball.
So you're talking about a kid that is functioning above
the shoulders. And this was what Mahomes does. Mahomes could
(28:46):
take off and run every play. He does it about
three times a game. So Jaden's a guy that is
just different. He is different with his legs, his arm,
and upstairs. I mean he is functioning at a level
upstairs that just veterans don't do. Second quickest release that
is something for a rookie. That means he can see it,
(29:08):
let go of it.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And by the.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Way, there's a lot of guys's rookies that can't even
see it. They can't see the openings. He sees it
and lets it rip. So and it's funny because I
was watching a podcast called Pivot. Bill Belichick was on it,
and he was talking about Brady, and of all the
great things Brady did, it's the two things last year
(29:31):
that Jaden Daniels has already figured.
Speaker 10 (29:33):
Out as a quarterback. We all know worse situation you
can be in a long yardage and so as long
as the ball moves forward, you stay out a long yardage.
And Tom did such a great job of not allowing
negative plays to happen to our offense. Number two. As
(29:54):
I've told Tom many times, Tom, we can't gain any
yards until you get rid of the ball. And then
of course he made, you know, great decisions under pressure
and had a tremendous ability to see the field and
understand situational football and make quick decisions under pressure.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
But isn't it interesting The first two things he mentions
are no prestat penalties. We always went forward, and we
asked the goat to let let go of the ball quickly,
not to hold it. So again, Jaden Daniels, get that
thing out of your hands. That's where Caleb Williams has
to improve. I don't care about his total yards and
his touchdowns. I don't care let go of the ball,
(30:39):
he holds the ball. Some of that is hero ball.
I want to make a play, don't it doesn't work.
You can do a little bit of that Cam did,
Big Ben did. Your career will be short. So he
just got Now you can blame the offensive line. But
Matt hassel Beck and others including Greg Cosel, came on
this show and said, don't blame the on line for
all of it. He's holding the ball too long. And
(30:59):
so here's the other thing to remember. Our staff found
this stat if you go look at Caleb Williams numbers
last year, j Mac, this is interesting. When he held
the ball under two and a half seconds, his passer
rating was ninety nine. Over two and a half it
was eighty one. So meaning the best stuff, the fruit
(31:20):
on the limb, is on getting rid of the ball quickly.
So you think to yourself, now I'm going to hold it.
Let the play develop. Know the play deteriorates, protection deterior rates.
Take it one thousand and one, one thousand and two
letter rip. That's what Jayden Daniels did, It's what Caleb
didn't do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
And I understand the habit because.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
In high school and college Caleb's like I'm a hold
of a beat and you win Lamar Jackson had a
little bit of that as rookie year first two years.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm going to hold it a beat.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
No, no, that works in high school, in college, and it
works in the NFL a little, but you will take
a beating. And Lamar, what did he do about year
three in the league. He put on weight and he
ran less. It's like you figure, Michael Vick told me, Yeah,
I got hit by London Fletcher. I've decided to get
better in the pocket like that. That's just the real
I think it was London Fletcher. That's just the reality
(32:10):
of the position.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
It didn't Caleb say.
Speaker 7 (32:12):
He was watching film by himself last year in Chicago.
He just wasn't getting the support from the staff. That's
the kind of thing like go in watch the film,
hey man quick reads. You know who's really good at
processing and getting rid of the football?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Rock Perdy. Look at him in the pocket. He's amazing.
Just dropped the back bing bang boom.
Speaker 7 (32:29):
Now you could argue that's the Shanahan system. Fine, I
believe that. But Ben Johnson and Goff, you know, GoF
got rid of it quick in Detroit. Now, he did
have a great offensive line. I think there's a world
where Caleb is excellent this year and does the things
he needs and avoid sacks and gets rid of the floor.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
You no, Goff, you could look this up.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Goff may have had five or six games, or he
completed eighty percent of his throws.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Why see it spin? It just don't. Sometimes you just
you can't.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
And I understand how golf is not golf, and Brady,
you're not super athletic, So I understand they understand get
it out. I do think it's harder if you're Lamar Jackson,
or you're Josh Allen, or you're Maholmes, or you're Caleb Williams,
Well you can actually tuck it and run and pick up.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
A lot of yards like it is.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
I do think it's harder for the athlete quarterback to
just always want to get rid of it fast because
you've had because you had so much success tucking it
and running it.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
You know, sometimes, Colin, when I get to the line
of scrimmage here on the set, I've got to read
the defense that would be you, the topic before right,
the topic that's coming up.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I know your takes.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
There's a lot that goes into processing here.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, isn't it just like Caleb, you need to let
go really quickly, get out of the plane very
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