September 26, 2024 • 30 mins
Super Bowl Champion Drew Brees joins the show to talk about the challenges young QBs face in today's NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, he was in the grind of the NFL for
twenty seasons, fifteen with the Saints, five with the Chargers.
Thirteen time Pro bowler. He's going to be eligible for
the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty six and he'll
be a first ballot guy still whole. I'm just looking
at his notable NFL records seven times leading the NFL
in passing yards, and I want to bring on Drew
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Brees because that's interesting when you you know, not that
you didn't throw deep a lot, but to lead the
NFL in passing yards. You know, we tend to think
Marino and Mahault the deep ball, and that's not what
the league is. The league is pre And I was
talking to a GM last night and he said, oh,
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everybody gives talks Brady and Manning.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He goes when I.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Looked at tape, what Drew Brees did pre snap, he
and Peyton was music. It was it was Broadway they
were making. And I think about that, Drew, because we
rush everybody now, all these quarterbacks. If you're not good
by your second Thanksgiving, half the guys in the room
are raising their hands when you're not there saying draft
a new quarterback. You got so good at the offensive line,
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and this GM was like, there's never been anybody better
than Breeze at this at the line. It was different
than everybody. How long did it take you? As I
watched Jayden, Daniels and bow Nicks before literally Drew, you
had seen everything and you were manipulating them. They weren't
manipulating you.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Look, that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You know. I when I played at Pretty University, you
know we ran the spread offense a lot of I
wasn't responsible for changing any protections or doing anything like that.
Everything that we we had, we're built in hots. You know,
you just knew when you had to get rid of
the ball. You knew when there was a guy coming free,
and then that adjust might adjust the clock in your head.
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When I got to the NFL, it was very much
the same way my first five years with the San
Diego Chargers. I wasn't responsible for mike IDs, I wasn't
responsible for protections. I was just responsible to get the
ball out on time in rhythm. Every route concept had
a progression, and I had to know and understand when
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I was going to be hot, in other words, when
there was going to be a free rusher that was unblocked,
you know, according to what the protection scheme was. And
then I just had to know I had to get
the ball out. Maybe there was a site adjustment that
it was made by a receiver that we had to
be on the same page. When I got to New Orleans,
Sean Payton's offense required the quarterback to or put the
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quarterback in a position where, hey, it's necessary for you
now to take on the responsibility of calling out you
know who who the mic linebacker is or who the
linebacker is that the offensive line is now responsible for.
Right Typically, in a standard four down, defensive lineman front
the line. Your five linemen of irresponsible for those four
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plus one. More so, it was your job to identify
who that fifth guy was that we're responsible for. Depending
on the run play, if it was a run play. Hey,
whoever I'm micing that might be who you're going to
It might be meaning that I'm idea in this guy
and then you're going to block the guy to the left.
There was all these different adjustments then that would happen
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on third down, where you know, now the defense is
going to play a bunch of different fronts and you
have protection calls that will all of a sudden send
four linemen to the right, or all five linemen to
the right, or you know, three linemen to the right,
and now the back's going to step up and he's
going to take whoever's in the a gup right. So
you just have all these different calls based on you know,
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who you're identifying and what type of pressure is coming.
And that responsibility became more and more as I got
into my career. But honestly, I wouldn't have it any
other way because I wanted to be in control of
those things. I wanted to be in a position where
I was trying to put our lineman in the best
matchup positions to be able to, you know, take their
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guys and protect. I didn't want Alvin Kamara to have
to block, you know, a two hundred and fifty pound
linebacker or even a big outside linebacker, a defensive end
like I would try to get him out in the
route as much as possible. So if I could make
a different declaration that would allow Alvin Kamara to free release,
well guess what that's that's better for his longevity. It's
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also better for me because it gives me, you know,
another weapon in the secondary. So all these things were
a progression. I certainly didn't start off that way year one,
year two, not even until year six, seven eight, So yeah,
it took some time.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and we're not patient like that anymore. If bo
Nicks isn't good by Thanksgiving next year. And what's interesting
is Shawn's intense. So I get to know Sean really
well when he worked here, and I loved him. Dinner
with Sean Payton's story time, and he's intense. Now everybody
coaches different. Matt Lafleur doesn't feel as intense. Sean Payton
feels more intense. So if I said, hey, bo Nicks,
Drew Brees is going to give you a one piece
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of advice for Shawn's personality. He's intellect you're smiling. What
is the piece of advice you would give bow Nicks,
because Sean can get hot. Sean's going to be demanding you.
Your personality can handle it. Is there a piece of
advice you'd give bo Nicks?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, he just as demanding right back to him. Okay,
you know I Sean likes that. Sean.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Sean wants to see you confident and sure you know everything. Obviously,
Sean and I got to a play a place with
our relationship where it was almost like we could finish
each other's sentences, and I knew exactly what he was
thinking before he called the place. We had just rehearsed
it so much, we had talked about it so much
throughout the course of the week that you know, I
knew the minute we crossed the fifty yard line, this
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was the play call coming out of his mouth. Minute
you know we're inside the red zone, this is the
play we're running. The minute they go to this defense,
he wants this or that pressure, he wants this right,
and it's stuff that we've talked about and rehearsed together
night before the game. We're dot nicol sheet, here's my
favorite play, Sean. He's telling me his favorite plays. Right,
we're just again rehearsing it over and over so that
we can just be as if, you know, kind of
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one you know, one mind out there together. But look
there there of course there were moments where you know, man,
I'm gonna make a mistake, and we got to the
play where man, he knows that he knows that I
knew that I made the mistake right the yelling, it's
screaming at me. But for a young quarterback who's trying
to really teach and coach and kind of get on
the same page with him, there's probably gonna be a
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lot more of that, you know, and he'll be pretty
firm with you at times. And I think what he
loves to see. And I think a lot of this
came from Parcels. You know, Parcells would be very demanding
on his assistant coaches, right, and Parcels wanted those coaches
that have the same type of you know, kind of
intensity and confidence coming right back at him. So I
think Sean loves that coming back from the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So Aaron Rodgers said something I thought was really smart.
And Aaron's won a lot of football games and the
Jets have it. And Aaron said, and I've heard this before,
but Aaron was very eloquent. He said, you know, everybody
kind of acts the same way. When they lose, they're pissed,
they work harder, they galvanize.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But it's different. When you win.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Guys splinter off, they get into endorsements, they get into
their fields as a whole different boat. San Francisco had
a noisy off season. Travis Kelsey's now dating the world's
most popular. I mean, when you win, the world changes.
So you went, like Aaron Rodgers, you went to a loser,
you made him a winner. Go back to the first
because you guys won right out of the shoot. You
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and Sean that first year. How did you take a
losing franchise win? And New Orleans By the way, they're
not going to bed at eight forty five. New Orleans
and New York are not Indianapolis, So that's it's a
port city. There's a lot happening. Go back to your
first year, winning twenty three year old teammates. Was that
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difficult or challenging?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
There were You have to look at the guys that
were brought in that year.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, look here we are six months post Katrina.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know, the entire city of New Orleans have been destroyed, devastated, right,
I mean there was nothing to show off about New
Orleans for anybody come in to town, right like this
day and age with you know, recruiting and the way
that you're going to try to wine and dine guys
when they come in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
There was no real wining and dining, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It was Hey, you have to see this for what
it is, and so it's going to take a special
type of person and a special mindset to embrace the
challenge that you're going to face here, but also see
the realm of possibility. Right, Can you share this vision
with us? And I certainly did. I felt like it
was a calling for me to be there. I was
coming off of a pretty serious injury right where I
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wasn't sure how great a football player I was gonna
be able to be coming back.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I really did.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Sean Payton had a ton of confidence to me, Mickey Loomis,
That entire organization a ton of confidence in me, maybe
more so than I did myself at the time. And
you look at the rest of the free agents that
were brought in that year as well. It's not like
everybody was banging down the door to get these guys.
You know, it was a little bit of a joke.
We had one of our coaches, Joe Vitt, called that
group in O six the Castaways. It was like nobody else.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Wanted you will take you, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Because look, you're tough guys, You're the right type of mindset,
Like you share the vision, you see what we can
accomplish here. You know it's going to be a difficult journey,
but you're not going to shy away from that.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
You're not afraid of that.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
And like we needed that mentality, We needed those types
of guys, like that's what it was going to take.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And that first season was obviously very magical.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean, we were not as talented a team as
the teams that we stepped on the field with, but.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Me and we were gritty, we were.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Tough, and we had the city on our shoulders, you know,
right there beside us, feeling like we had so much
more to play for than everybody else. And that's really
what I think that first season was about. But it
was also about what helped create the foundation for what
I think the New Orleans Saints became in the Sean
Payton era, and that's that was what we prided ourselves.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
So, because you went to Iowa State, you know, you
went to Purdue not a football power. In fact, when
you went there, before you got there, it was mostly basketball.
The boiler Makers had the basketball gen KTI programs, that
kind of stuff. And so in state of Texas, you know,
Drew's not six ' four, you know, you know the game,
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and and so you probably have a soft spot for
Brock Purty. I watched them at college and the first time, Like,
so he gets drafted at the end whatever, I mean,
outside of Kurt Warner Romo, these guys to get drafted late,
maybe Mark Brunell. Most guys get you know, the good
guys get drafted first, second, third, whatever. And then all
of a sudden he starts winning, and I won't give
him any credit. I'm like, well, let's get Shanahan. It's
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a bunch of Hall of Fame guys. And then slowly
but surely, you're like, he's pretty he's pretty good. And
uh So it took me a while to figure it out.
It probably took you a lot less to figure it out.
When is the first time you watch Party because you
guys have some of the same dimensions in terms of size.
When's the first time you watched him? I'm sure it
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was years before me and went, oh, yeah, this works.
This is a franchise guy.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No, he really wasn't.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I mean when when he when he's you know, got
his first start, you know, midway through his rookie year,
after Trey Lance goes out and grap lowgoes out, you know,
and then.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
All of a sudden, here's the basically the third string guy,
mister coming in.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
He I mean I could tell the moment I saw
the first half of the first game that he played,
I'm like, okay, Like, this guy is in command of
the offense. This guy's in and out of the huddle.
He's controlling the line of scrimmage right, the shifts, the motions,
all the things that that offense requires in a field
general to be able to coordinate. Oh man, he's got
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incredible rhythm. He throws with a great base. He's very calm,
he's very poised. Right, nothing seems to shake him, you know.
So like all those things I pick up on right away,
and then it's like, Okay, where the heck did this
guy come from? You know, and then you start looking
at it, you're like, okay, this makes perfect sense. Here's
a guy who started almost fifty games in college.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
He played at a school where ninety percent of the
time when they stepped on the field, they were the underdogs.
Oh yeah, right, yeah, Like they weren't winning any beauty contest,
they weren't winning the pregame competitions, and.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
They were having to kind of gut it out. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
He had he played in a bunch of close games,
a bunch of really competitive games like that mold you, right,
That's then who you become, that becomes what.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You're used to.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Right. So, then all of a sudden, these big time situations,
going into moments where people are doubting you or you're
playing against people that are supposed to be better than you,
like that doesn't phaze you anymore, right So, Like so
much of playing this position at the highest level in
the NFL is about confidence. It's about belief, it's about faith,
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and the guys that are really good at it, there's
just an unwavering faith and confidence no matter what the situation,
no matter how who's hurt around them or what circumstances
around them might lead others to say that, hey, they're
not going to be able to get it done. You
embrace that like you just play with this constant chip
on your shoulder and this edge that leads you to
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be successful.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
By the way, when Joe Burrow this week, I don't
know if we still have it, there was a piece
of video and we'll wrap it up with this. Burrow
is seen after the game walking in full uniform. Here
it is, it's like TMZ stuff. I'm going to go
talk with the coach because they startzing three and you
know it's funny. Tony Gonzalez once told me he wasn't
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comfortable early in his career doing stuff like that, and
I think that's when Zach Taylor and you are not
even You're just going right to a secret meeting. What
does that tell you? And did you ever have to
do that? But what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
That tells me they have a great relationship and that
they trust in one another to be able to voice
their opinions and their concerns, maybe even vent a little
bit like look, Sean Payton was was my guide event
two at times, and I was his guide event two
at times. It's great when you have that type of
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relationship with your head coach and play caller. Sean and
I had tons of moments like that early on, as
we I say, we like we were trying to build
the foundation for that team, and Sean was including me
in those conversations, and I really really appreciated that because
it empowered me and equipped me in a lot of ways.
And I see them doing that. This is the exact
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same way. I mean that that that moment right there
looks so familiar to me because there are things that
coming out of the game. You know, obviously emotions are
running high. Hey they didn't expect to start off zero
and three, you know, lose on Monday night football, you know,
you know, to to kind of an upstart commander's team,
you know. So like to me, that just shows hey,
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good relationship, good good lines of communication.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I think they're going to be fine as a result.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I got to say one more thing because Sean really,
you know, he got a little heat in Denver because
he would call Russell Wilson out and stuff. Did you
did you and Sewn ever have a bad day, like
it got really sideways one.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, I do remember, I mean I wouldn't say like
I do remember at one point, especially early on, when
I say, when Seawan was building the program, right six
seven eight, you know, it was we had tough physical practices.
I mean during the week, during the week of practice.
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Now nobody hardly puts pads on, right, but like we'd
go full pads two three days a week, you know,
leading up to a game on Sundays. That was a
very common thing. So a little bit of the old
school Bill Parcells mindset, and he was really trying to
create a.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Mindset and a mentality there.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And I remember one practice where, man, I just felt
like the team was beat up, right, guys needed a break.
And sure enough, here we are, full padded practice and
I'm looking at the schedule. I'm like, man, I just
I don't know if guys are going to buy into this,
you know, on a daylight today.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And so we.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Got together as a group of captains, all the captains together,
all right, guys, what are we going to do? Like
this is our team, you know, And Sean would always say, look,
the best teams at some point, the leaders on the
team take control of the team, right, You're not taking
instructions from the coaches. You take constructions from from the
leaders on the team. And so I was like, all right,
this is what he was talking about. This is this moment, right,
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this is where we got we got to call the shots.
So we get together as a group and it's like, hey,
we're not going out in pads. It was kind of
like I kind of had the final saying it, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, I was like, we're not going out in paths.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
All right, go out in shells and just tell everybody, man,
we better be flying around like no excuses. Don't don't
give them an excuse to say we weren't ready for
Sunday because we weren't.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know, we weren't prepared. We weren't flying around. So
we show.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We get out there and everybody's all amped up, like yeah,
you know, we're bucking the system, like we're making the call.
We get out there and shells and literally, like within
fifteen seconds, everybody comes high tailing it back in from
the field and they're like, hey, we.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Have to put pads on. Sean's going ballistic out there,
you know.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
So we very quickly put pads on and went back out.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And just got out word done and whatever. We were
all scared at show.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
But but no, that was that was probably an early
heated exchange, you know where it was like you thought
you were doing something good for the team and backfired
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, got a little hot with Sean. That's great.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I love all the storytelling, Drew, real pleasure. We're gonna
try to bring on Drew as regularly as we can.
Twenty year is gonna be a first ballot guy. Really,
I thought there you just the storytelling was great.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I can't wait for more of it, and I appreciate
you taking twenty minutes to your day first man.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Thank you absolutely, Thanks Gov.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You bet Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I was talking to an executive and he said,
everybody knows pre Snap Brady Manning. He said Drew was
different when you would watch he and Peyton the harmony
because remember Peyton had multiple coaches and Belichick was more
of a defensive culture. He said, that was an offensive culture.
That's more mahomes read. He said, when you watch Peyton.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And Breeze like they were to the.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Last second changing stuff, and he said there was nothing
on film quite like it and this was from an
executive who's been around a long time in this league.
He's seen it all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
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Speaker 2 (19:26):
Turns this is the Herd Line News decent.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Game this weekend. Josh Allen versus Lamar Jackson. That's not
if the top six quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
In the league.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's let's remember, had they held a lead against the Raiders,
we would be talking about a Ravens team that blew
out the Cowboys and came with it a toe of
beating the Chiefs. I think we've overreacted to the Raider loss,
which was shocking, but they're still a good team.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Yeah, and listen, they came out in the same draft class.
They're gonna be linked forever.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Seven years later, Josh is pretty much accepted, is like
the second best quarterback after Mahomes. Right, Lamar two MVPs,
but the.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Playoff success is held him back.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Buffalo's quarterback had nothing but nice things to say about
his counterpart in Baltimore.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
For him to show the resiliency and the work ethic
in the attitude to go forward and win two MVPs.
You know, guys around the league they see that he's
he's really changed the way that I think guys play
the game, but making only mistake about it. He can
he can throw the start out of the football and
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got a lot of respect for him, a lot of
love for him. He's got a crazy ability to keep
plays alive and make guys miss and then get the
ball downfield. So he's a he's a special player.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He is, and he's better from the pocket than you think,
and he's better late in games than people think.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He's not Stafford trailing, but he's in a he's a
like one hundred and fifteen passer rating trailing in the force.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So he's he's a playmaker.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Are you surprised at all to see the Ravens favor
by two at home.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Given what we've seen through three games?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, because if you take away the Raiders game and
they were leading controlling that game. This is a team
that blows people out at home. Last year they blew out.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
The Niners and the Lions.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Well that was last year, and the mind well defensive coordinator.
They lost a lot of guys Colin. They blow two
fourth quarter leads here, one they held on in Dallas.
This to me shapes up is a little bit like
Bears Rams. You see the line, You're like, wait, the
Bears are favored. I mean everybody's saying after the Bills
Monday in football, this team's one of the best in
the league, well number two in the hurt hierarchy. They're
going to the super Bowl. Like people are excited about
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the Bills.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
And yet the Ravens are favored.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well that is it is one of those what does
the league see and the league.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
See just like the Rams?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now, I'm you give me McBay Stafford in three Now,
I like the Rams. I thought your your take on
the Rams Bears worked Monday, But yesterday's lines not today's line.
And so I still I don't know if i'd touch
week there's a game. I just want to watch Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I just want to watch.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, Plus, you don't want to have the Ravens kind
of blow in another fourth quarter lead. Listen, that Cowboys
game was a sweat twenty eight to six. Something gets over.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Don't need to watch.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, now we've seen them blow two leads, and hardball.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Has a history of doing this. Lamar, I don't know, man,
I want to I say this is Ravens or nothing
for me, I'm going to pass. I think that's a
smart move.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Next up, Anthony Richardson. Still getting his feet wet in
the NFL.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
He played started four games last year and he's only
started three this year.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
That's it for his career. Remember one season at Florida.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
He has the lowest completion percentage and second lowest passer
rating in the NFL after three games, leads the league
with six picks. He had a really bad win against
the Bears in the end zone. Richardson says he has
to just trust himself and keep trusting his instincts because
he's been throwing the ball a long time and that's
just a flat out lie. Like one season of college football,
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you know that, Between that and you know, a couple
games last year and this year, he has not been
playing football for a long time. This is a very
small sample size we have on Richardson.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, I here's my question.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
If you're a fifty percent completion guy in your first
fifteen sixteen stars, can you become a sixty four percent
completion guy?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Well, Josh Allen, he wasn't quite fifty, but he was
down like fifty six something like that, and then he
popped what's now like credited to Davis. Yeah, he's like no, No,
he's probably like sixty seven sixty years. Okay, Allan, he's
hitting everything. How much of that was daybo? How much
of that as the new OC or just people can improve?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, it's also it's a very good point that Josh
Allen did it, but we also have to acknowledge that
Josh Allen is a little bit of an outlier. It's
like looking at CJ. Stroud and going, how come all
these quarterbacks aren't as good as c J.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Stroud did?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If you look right now this season, he's completing under
fifty percent of his throws. And I and again I'm
talking to people in the league. I trust they're like, column,
he's missing the easy stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
One thing.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you're missing seam routes, intermediate throws, he's missing stuff
in the flat and badly.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Okay, here we go. So Josh Allen rookie year.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Okay, he goes five and six, start at eleven games,
fifty two percent completion?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Now what was a year two though?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Bumped up to fifty eight?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Okay. Another said that's a significant.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Movie, still missing wide open door.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, he also had a bad old line of no
run game.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
But then year three I got to check to see
if that was the year they got digs. He goes
from fifty eight to sixty nine, and since then he's
been like sixty three, sixty six and through three games
seventy five. He listen, we got we gotta chill out
with the Richardson bashing. Okay, Josh Allen, the numbers prove it.
He was fifty percent as his first year with three
eleven games, So I'm not selling my Richardson stock. I
(24:48):
still think he's got massive upside, right, would you agree?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I want to watch a few more games. I want
to watch a few more games.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
But you're all in on bo Knicks.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, bow Nicks has never had an accuracy issue. He
completed seventy five percent of his throws college. I'm not
out On Anthony Richardson the guy or the athlete. But
this is getting the t bow territory. I mean it's
Agam Cam was in fifty five or Josh five. We're
talking forty nine with Shane Steiken, Cam had Ron Rivera.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You could say, well he's got a defensive who's his guy?
Like this is?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean, if I'm gonna I'll watch every step this weekend,
and you know.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
I might have to go ahead and take the Colts
this weekend.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Richardson dashing is a little It's not Richardson bashing.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's Richardson observing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
If he was if he was completing sixty four percent
and I said he was inaccurate, that's bashing.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Next three years, Who's stock? Would you rather have Justin
Fields or Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
What stop? Come on, I'm stunned.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Remember when I said Justin Fields would have a robust market? Laughed,
you scoffed, and you're like, come on, who wants this guy?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Can't do now?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
It's like, oh, I take Richardson Overfields or Fields over
Richardson after like three games.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I didn't say I'd take him by a mile. He said,
well he's completing seventy three percent of his throw three games.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
He's not throwing the ball down the field. They're winning
with defense. Richardson, man, he all right, I like the
we're on opposite side of this one. I'm kind of
pro Richardson here.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Final story, Oh oh, this is the story we love.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
College football quarterback Matthew Sluca.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
I hope I'm saying his name right.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He was at Holy Cross and the FCF was an
outstanding quarterback. Transfers to UNLV. Okay, he claims that UNLV said, sure,
we will give you one hundred thousand dollars if you
come to UNLV. Now, according to his representative, he could
not take the money because he was graduating from Holy Cross.
So then he gets to UNLV in August and he's like, oh,
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so where's the money? And I guess they strung him along.
He's winning games, UNLV's ranked, and now he says, after
three games, I'm out.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
You guys aren't gonna pay me.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm leaving.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You don't like what the school screwing him over, or
him bailing on the team.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think I would play if it was up to me,
I would stay at UNLV because I wouldn't want to
bail on my team, but I would file some sort
of lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh stop it, lawsuit, comes on.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
No, Vegas has a lot of good atturn.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You know what else, Vegas has a lot of money.
Somebody should show up with a briefcase. Hey, here's your
hundred case. Sorry for the delay, buddy.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Come on, Colin nil money. This is their best start.
I think in debth now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I watched him. He can play now a year.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
A completion percentage, he's forty three percent. But he's a
running quarterback. He just makes place. He's like a twenty
four year old kid who knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This offense last year had the same thing, had an
athlete at quarterback, and this kid's an athlete running around
making plays.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I don't like.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
If you read his representative's comments in the Las Vegas newspaper, Essentially,
they went to the coach and was like, hey, we
need our hundred thousand, and they're like, yeah, that's not
gonna happen. And he's like, fine, give me five thousand
or ten thousand for the next five months. And they
were like, no, we'll do three thousand. And at that
point the guy's like you guys promised me.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
One hundred k.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Now, he didn't get into writing, obviously a mistake, but
he's a young kid.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I got a side with the kid here. I'm siding
with the underdog.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You coastal elite, Colin gonna side with the multilay.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Do I think once you commit to a project with
teammates then at some point that this kid's not going
to play pros.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
He's not a pro.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No, no, no, he's a college player.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
I went to UNLV because they said, we'll give you
a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, it's not like he had a huge market. If
you end up at UNLV, they all hold one hundred k.
Quarterbacks are now going for a million and a half.
Cam Ward's going for a million and a half. He
went for one hundred k. He didn't have a dynamic market,
and he's not an NFL guy, So this is his world.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That doesn't mean they can screw him over. Do you
know the difference to a college kid between zero dollars
and one hundred thousand dollars? Colin, come on, you gotta
side with the kid here.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
M just it'd be very hard. Sports is about team.
This is not a curling your downhill scheme.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, how about this Fox comes to you for your
next contract comment, we promised you this, that and the other,
and then you just do the show and you don't
get in writing, and you do the show for a
year and they're not so not delivering the promises.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I have an agent. I get it in writing.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Okay, that's how you should have got in writing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, no, I understand him being angry, and he does
have the right to file some sort of nil breach,
But I I just think I would have a hard time.
I thought about this, like, it's it's sports. You're in college.
Those guys are going to run if they go eight,
they go three and eight.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, they probably will. The coaching staff making promises that
they didn't keep.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You're gonna have eighty enemies the rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Big, Come on, Hey, loyalty does not exist, Colin. It
does not exists anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'm sorry, Yes, it does.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
It does not does not.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
He's not loyal to that team. I got these guys
in August. He's now he does retain eligibility because he
quit the team. That's right, So he can go somewhere
next year and play.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Now I want you guys all on Twitter and XT
to quote jmak. Loyalty does not exist in America.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It exists. It's just it's uh.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Sometimes it's temporary, but it hopefully it exists somewhere in
my life loyalty. While my wife's going to a psychic today,
who knows, depends on what the psychic says. We'll see
about the loyalty.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, he was in the grind of the NFL for
twenty seasons, fifteen with the Saints, five with the Chargers.
Thirteen time Pro bowler. He's going to be eligible for
the Hall of Fame in twenty twenty six and he'll
be a first ballot guy still whole. I'm just looking
at his notable NFL records seven times leading the NFL
in passing yards, and I want to bring on Drew
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Brees because that's interesting when you you know, not that
you didn't throw deep a lot, but to lead the
NFL in passing yards. You know, we tend to think
Marino and Mahault the deep ball, and that's not what
the league is. The league is pre And I was
talking to a GM last night and he said, oh,
(01:06):
everybody gives talks Brady and Manning.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
He goes when I.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Looked at tape, what Drew Brees did pre snap, he
and Peyton was music. It was it was Broadway they
were making. And I think about that, Drew, because we
rush everybody now, all these quarterbacks. If you're not good
by your second Thanksgiving, half the guys in the room
are raising their hands when you're not there saying draft
a new quarterback. You got so good at the offensive line,
(01:34):
and this GM was like, there's never been anybody better
than Breeze at this at the line. It was different
than everybody. How long did it take you? As I
watched Jayden, Daniels and bow Nicks before literally Drew, you
had seen everything and you were manipulating them. They weren't
manipulating you.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Look, that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You know. I when I played at Pretty University, you
know we ran the spread offense a lot of I
wasn't responsible for changing any protections or doing anything like that.
Everything that we we had, we're built in hots. You know,
you just knew when you had to get rid of
the ball. You knew when there was a guy coming free,
and then that adjust might adjust the clock in your head.
(02:16):
When I got to the NFL, it was very much
the same way my first five years with the San
Diego Chargers. I wasn't responsible for mike IDs, I wasn't
responsible for protections. I was just responsible to get the
ball out on time in rhythm. Every route concept had
a progression, and I had to know and understand when
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I was going to be hot, in other words, when
there was going to be a free rusher that was unblocked,
you know, according to what the protection scheme was. And
then I just had to know I had to get
the ball out. Maybe there was a site adjustment that
it was made by a receiver that we had to
be on the same page. When I got to New Orleans,
Sean Payton's offense required the quarterback to or put the
(02:58):
quarterback in a position where, hey, it's necessary for you
now to take on the responsibility of calling out you
know who who the mic linebacker is or who the
linebacker is that the offensive line is now responsible for.
Right Typically, in a standard four down, defensive lineman front
the line. Your five linemen of irresponsible for those four
(03:19):
plus one. More so, it was your job to identify
who that fifth guy was that we're responsible for. Depending
on the run play, if it was a run play. Hey,
whoever I'm micing that might be who you're going to
It might be meaning that I'm idea in this guy
and then you're going to block the guy to the left.
There was all these different adjustments then that would happen
(03:40):
on third down, where you know, now the defense is
going to play a bunch of different fronts and you
have protection calls that will all of a sudden send
four linemen to the right, or all five linemen to
the right, or you know, three linemen to the right,
and now the back's going to step up and he's
going to take whoever's in the a gup right. So
you just have all these different calls based on you know,
(04:00):
who you're identifying and what type of pressure is coming.
And that responsibility became more and more as I got
into my career. But honestly, I wouldn't have it any
other way because I wanted to be in control of
those things. I wanted to be in a position where
I was trying to put our lineman in the best
matchup positions to be able to, you know, take their
(04:22):
guys and protect. I didn't want Alvin Kamara to have
to block, you know, a two hundred and fifty pound
linebacker or even a big outside linebacker, a defensive end
like I would try to get him out in the
route as much as possible. So if I could make
a different declaration that would allow Alvin Kamara to free release,
well guess what that's that's better for his longevity. It's
(04:45):
also better for me because it gives me, you know,
another weapon in the secondary. So all these things were
a progression. I certainly didn't start off that way year one,
year two, not even until year six, seven eight, So yeah,
it took some time.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and we're not patient like that anymore. If bo
Nicks isn't good by Thanksgiving next year. And what's interesting
is Shawn's intense. So I get to know Sean really
well when he worked here, and I loved him. Dinner
with Sean Payton's story time, and he's intense. Now everybody
coaches different. Matt Lafleur doesn't feel as intense. Sean Payton
feels more intense. So if I said, hey, bo Nicks,
Drew Brees is going to give you a one piece
(05:22):
of advice for Shawn's personality. He's intellect you're smiling. What
is the piece of advice you would give bow Nicks,
because Sean can get hot. Sean's going to be demanding you.
Your personality can handle it. Is there a piece of
advice you'd give bo Nicks?
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, he just as demanding right back to him. Okay,
you know I Sean likes that. Sean.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Sean wants to see you confident and sure you know everything. Obviously,
Sean and I got to a play a place with
our relationship where it was almost like we could finish
each other's sentences, and I knew exactly what he was
thinking before he called the place. We had just rehearsed
it so much, we had talked about it so much
throughout the course of the week that you know, I
knew the minute we crossed the fifty yard line, this
(06:07):
was the play call coming out of his mouth. Minute
you know we're inside the red zone, this is the
play we're running. The minute they go to this defense,
he wants this or that pressure, he wants this right,
and it's stuff that we've talked about and rehearsed together
night before the game. We're dot nicol sheet, here's my
favorite play, Sean. He's telling me his favorite plays. Right,
we're just again rehearsing it over and over so that
we can just be as if, you know, kind of
(06:29):
one you know, one mind out there together. But look
there there of course there were moments where you know, man,
I'm gonna make a mistake, and we got to the
play where man, he knows that he knows that I
knew that I made the mistake right the yelling, it's
screaming at me. But for a young quarterback who's trying
to really teach and coach and kind of get on
the same page with him, there's probably gonna be a
(06:50):
lot more of that, you know, and he'll be pretty
firm with you at times. And I think what he
loves to see. And I think a lot of this
came from Parcels. You know, Parcells would be very demanding
on his assistant coaches, right, and Parcels wanted those coaches
that have the same type of you know, kind of
intensity and confidence coming right back at him. So I
think Sean loves that coming back from the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So Aaron Rodgers said something I thought was really smart.
And Aaron's won a lot of football games and the
Jets have it. And Aaron said, and I've heard this before,
but Aaron was very eloquent. He said, you know, everybody
kind of acts the same way. When they lose, they're pissed,
they work harder, they galvanize.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But it's different. When you win.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Guys splinter off, they get into endorsements, they get into
their fields as a whole different boat. San Francisco had
a noisy off season. Travis Kelsey's now dating the world's
most popular. I mean, when you win, the world changes.
So you went, like Aaron Rodgers, you went to a loser,
you made him a winner. Go back to the first
because you guys won right out of the shoot. You
(07:51):
and Sean that first year. How did you take a
losing franchise win? And New Orleans By the way, they're
not going to bed at eight forty five. New Orleans
and New York are not Indianapolis, So that's it's a
port city. There's a lot happening. Go back to your
first year, winning twenty three year old teammates. Was that
(08:13):
difficult or challenging?
Speaker 5 (08:16):
There were You have to look at the guys that
were brought in that year.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I mean, look here we are six months post Katrina.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
You know, the entire city of New Orleans have been destroyed, devastated, right,
I mean there was nothing to show off about New
Orleans for anybody come in to town, right like this
day and age with you know, recruiting and the way
that you're going to try to wine and dine guys
when they come in.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
There was no real wining and dining, you know.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
It was Hey, you have to see this for what
it is, and so it's going to take a special
type of person and a special mindset to embrace the
challenge that you're going to face here, but also see
the realm of possibility. Right, Can you share this vision
with us? And I certainly did. I felt like it
was a calling for me to be there. I was
coming off of a pretty serious injury right where I
(09:00):
wasn't sure how great a football player I was gonna
be able to be coming back.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I really did.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Sean Payton had a ton of confidence to me, Mickey Loomis,
That entire organization a ton of confidence in me, maybe
more so than I did myself at the time. And
you look at the rest of the free agents that
were brought in that year as well. It's not like
everybody was banging down the door to get these guys.
You know, it was a little bit of a joke.
We had one of our coaches, Joe Vitt, called that
group in O six the Castaways. It was like nobody else.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Wanted you will take you, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
Because look, you're tough guys, You're the right type of mindset,
Like you share the vision, you see what we can
accomplish here. You know it's going to be a difficult journey,
but you're not going to shy away from that.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
You're not afraid of that.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
And like we needed that mentality, We needed those types
of guys, like that's what it was going to take.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
And that first season was obviously very magical.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I mean, we were not as talented a team as
the teams that we stepped on the field with, but.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Me and we were gritty, we were.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Tough, and we had the city on our shoulders, you know,
right there beside us, feeling like we had so much
more to play for than everybody else. And that's really
what I think that first season was about. But it
was also about what helped create the foundation for what
I think the New Orleans Saints became in the Sean
Payton era, and that's that was what we prided ourselves.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
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Speaker 1 (10:27):
So, because you went to Iowa State, you know, you
went to Purdue not a football power. In fact, when
you went there, before you got there, it was mostly basketball.
The boiler Makers had the basketball gen KTI programs, that
kind of stuff. And so in state of Texas, you know,
Drew's not six ' four, you know, you know the game,
(10:48):
and and so you probably have a soft spot for
Brock Purty. I watched them at college and the first time, Like,
so he gets drafted at the end whatever, I mean,
outside of Kurt Warner Romo, these guys to get drafted late,
maybe Mark Brunell. Most guys get you know, the good
guys get drafted first, second, third, whatever. And then all
of a sudden he starts winning, and I won't give
him any credit. I'm like, well, let's get Shanahan. It's
(11:09):
a bunch of Hall of Fame guys. And then slowly
but surely, you're like, he's pretty he's pretty good. And
uh So it took me a while to figure it out.
It probably took you a lot less to figure it out.
When is the first time you watch Party because you
guys have some of the same dimensions in terms of size.
When's the first time you watched him? I'm sure it
(11:30):
was years before me and went, oh, yeah, this works.
This is a franchise guy.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
No, he really wasn't.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I mean when when he when he's you know, got
his first start, you know, midway through his rookie year,
after Trey Lance goes out and grap lowgoes out, you know,
and then.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
All of a sudden, here's the basically the third string guy,
mister coming in.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
He I mean I could tell the moment I saw
the first half of the first game that he played,
I'm like, okay, Like, this guy is in command of
the offense. This guy's in and out of the huddle.
He's controlling the line of scrimmage right, the shifts, the motions,
all the things that that offense requires in a field
general to be able to coordinate. Oh man, he's got
(12:09):
incredible rhythm. He throws with a great base. He's very calm,
he's very poised. Right, nothing seems to shake him, you know.
So like all those things I pick up on right away,
and then it's like, Okay, where the heck did this
guy come from? You know, and then you start looking
at it, you're like, okay, this makes perfect sense. Here's
a guy who started almost fifty games in college.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
He played at a school where ninety percent of the
time when they stepped on the field, they were the underdogs.
Oh yeah, right, yeah, Like they weren't winning any beauty contest,
they weren't winning the pregame competitions, and.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
They were having to kind of gut it out. Right.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
He had he played in a bunch of close games,
a bunch of really competitive games like that mold you, right,
That's then who you become, that becomes what.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
You're used to.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Right. So, then all of a sudden, these big time situations,
going into moments where people are doubting you or you're
playing against people that are supposed to be better than you,
like that doesn't phaze you anymore, right So, Like so
much of playing this position at the highest level in
the NFL is about confidence. It's about belief, it's about faith,
(13:16):
and the guys that are really good at it, there's
just an unwavering faith and confidence no matter what the situation,
no matter how who's hurt around them or what circumstances
around them might lead others to say that, hey, they're
not going to be able to get it done. You
embrace that like you just play with this constant chip
on your shoulder and this edge that leads you to
(13:39):
be successful.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
By the way, when Joe Burrow this week, I don't
know if we still have it, there was a piece
of video and we'll wrap it up with this. Burrow
is seen after the game walking in full uniform. Here
it is, it's like TMZ stuff. I'm going to go
talk with the coach because they startzing three and you
know it's funny. Tony Gonzalez once told me he wasn't
(14:02):
comfortable early in his career doing stuff like that, and
I think that's when Zach Taylor and you are not
even You're just going right to a secret meeting. What
does that tell you? And did you ever have to
do that? But what does that tell you?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
That tells me they have a great relationship and that
they trust in one another to be able to voice
their opinions and their concerns, maybe even vent a little
bit like look, Sean Payton was was my guide event
two at times, and I was his guide event two
at times. It's great when you have that type of
(14:42):
relationship with your head coach and play caller. Sean and
I had tons of moments like that early on, as
we I say, we like we were trying to build
the foundation for that team, and Sean was including me
in those conversations, and I really really appreciated that because
it empowered me and equipped me in a lot of ways.
And I see them doing that. This is the exact
(15:04):
same way. I mean that that that moment right there
looks so familiar to me because there are things that
coming out of the game. You know, obviously emotions are
running high. Hey they didn't expect to start off zero
and three, you know, lose on Monday night football, you know,
you know, to to kind of an upstart commander's team,
you know. So like to me, that just shows hey,
(15:26):
good relationship, good good lines of communication.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I think they're going to be fine as a result.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I got to say one more thing because Sean really,
you know, he got a little heat in Denver because
he would call Russell Wilson out and stuff. Did you
did you and Sewn ever have a bad day, like
it got really sideways one.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Well, I do remember, I mean I wouldn't say like
I do remember at one point, especially early on, when
I say, when Seawan was building the program, right six
seven eight, you know, it was we had tough physical practices.
I mean during the week, during the week of practice.
(16:07):
Now nobody hardly puts pads on, right, but like we'd
go full pads two three days a week, you know,
leading up to a game on Sundays. That was a
very common thing. So a little bit of the old
school Bill Parcells mindset, and he was really trying to
create a.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Mindset and a mentality there.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
And I remember one practice where, man, I just felt
like the team was beat up, right, guys needed a break.
And sure enough, here we are, full padded practice and
I'm looking at the schedule. I'm like, man, I just
I don't know if guys are going to buy into this,
you know, on a daylight today.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And so we.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Got together as a group of captains, all the captains together,
all right, guys, what are we going to do? Like
this is our team, you know, And Sean would always say, look,
the best teams at some point, the leaders on the
team take control of the team, right, You're not taking
instructions from the coaches. You take constructions from from the
leaders on the team. And so I was like, all right,
this is what he was talking about. This is this moment, right,
(17:05):
this is where we got we got to call the shots.
So we get together as a group and it's like, hey,
we're not going out in pads. It was kind of
like I kind of had the final saying it, you know.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah, I was like, we're not going out in paths.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
All right, go out in shells and just tell everybody, man,
we better be flying around like no excuses. Don't don't
give them an excuse to say we weren't ready for
Sunday because we weren't.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You know, we weren't prepared. We weren't flying around. So
we show.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
We get out there and everybody's all amped up, like yeah,
you know, we're bucking the system, like we're making the call.
We get out there and shells and literally, like within
fifteen seconds, everybody comes high tailing it back in from
the field and they're like, hey, we.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Have to put pads on. Sean's going ballistic out there,
you know.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
So we very quickly put pads on and went back out.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And just got out word done and whatever. We were
all scared at show.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
But but no, that was that was probably an early
heated exchange, you know where it was like you thought
you were doing something good for the team and backfired
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, got a little hot with Sean. That's great.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
I love all the storytelling, Drew, real pleasure. We're gonna
try to bring on Drew as regularly as we can.
Twenty year is gonna be a first ballot guy. Really,
I thought there you just the storytelling was great.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Man.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I can't wait for more of it, and I appreciate
you taking twenty minutes to your day first man.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Thank you absolutely, Thanks Gov.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
You bet Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I was talking to an executive and he said,
everybody knows pre Snap Brady Manning. He said Drew was
different when you would watch he and Peyton the harmony
because remember Peyton had multiple coaches and Belichick was more
of a defensive culture. He said, that was an offensive culture.
That's more mahomes read. He said, when you watch Peyton.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And Breeze like they were to the.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Last second changing stuff, and he said there was nothing
on film quite like it and this was from an
executive who's been around a long time in this league.
He's seen it all.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
We'll take a break, Heard Line News wrap it up live,
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Speaker 3 (19:21):
Let's not waste any time. Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Turns this is the Herd Line News decent.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
Game this weekend. Josh Allen versus Lamar Jackson. That's not
if the top six quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
In the league.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Let's let's remember, had they held a lead against the Raiders,
we would be talking about a Ravens team that blew
out the Cowboys and came with it a toe of
beating the Chiefs. I think we've overreacted to the Raider loss,
which was shocking, but they're still a good team.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Yeah, and listen, they came out in the same draft class.
They're gonna be linked forever.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
Seven years later, Josh is pretty much accepted, is like
the second best quarterback after Mahomes. Right, Lamar two MVPs,
but the.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
Playoff success is held him back.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Buffalo's quarterback had nothing but nice things to say about
his counterpart in Baltimore.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
For him to show the resiliency and the work ethic
in the attitude to go forward and win two MVPs.
You know, guys around the league they see that he's
he's really changed the way that I think guys play
the game, but making only mistake about it. He can
he can throw the start out of the football and
(20:34):
got a lot of respect for him, a lot of
love for him. He's got a crazy ability to keep
plays alive and make guys miss and then get the
ball downfield. So he's a he's a special player.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
He is, and he's better from the pocket than you think,
and he's better late in games than people think.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
He's not Stafford trailing, but he's in a he's a
like one hundred and fifteen passer rating trailing in the force.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
So he's he's a playmaker.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Are you surprised at all to see the Ravens favor
by two at home.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
Given what we've seen through three games?
Speaker 1 (21:02):
No, because if you take away the Raiders game and
they were leading controlling that game. This is a team
that blows people out at home. Last year they blew out.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
The Niners and the Lions.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Well that was last year, and the mind well defensive coordinator.
They lost a lot of guys Colin. They blow two
fourth quarter leads here, one they held on in Dallas.
This to me shapes up is a little bit like
Bears Rams. You see the line, You're like, wait, the
Bears are favored. I mean everybody's saying after the Bills
Monday in football, this team's one of the best in
the league, well number two in the hurt hierarchy. They're
going to the super Bowl. Like people are excited about
(21:33):
the Bills.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
And yet the Ravens are favored.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Well that is it is one of those what does
the league see and the league.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
See just like the Rams?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Now, I'm you give me McBay Stafford in three Now,
I like the Rams. I thought your your take on
the Rams Bears worked Monday, But yesterday's lines not today's line.
And so I still I don't know if i'd touch
week there's a game. I just want to watch Ravens Bills.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
I just want to watch.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Yeah, Plus, you don't want to have the Ravens kind
of blow in another fourth quarter lead. Listen, that Cowboys
game was a sweat twenty eight to six. Something gets over.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Don't need to watch.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, now we've seen them blow two leads, and hardball.
Speaker 8 (22:14):
Has a history of doing this. Lamar, I don't know, man,
I want to I say this is Ravens or nothing
for me, I'm going to pass. I think that's a
smart move.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Next up, Anthony Richardson. Still getting his feet wet in
the NFL.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
It's weird.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
He played started four games last year and he's only
started three this year.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
That's it for his career. Remember one season at Florida.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
He has the lowest completion percentage and second lowest passer
rating in the NFL after three games, leads the league
with six picks. He had a really bad win against
the Bears in the end zone. Richardson says he has
to just trust himself and keep trusting his instincts because
he's been throwing the ball a long time and that's
just a flat out lie. Like one season of college football,
(23:03):
you know that, Between that and you know, a couple
games last year and this year, he has not been
playing football for a long time. This is a very
small sample size we have on Richardson.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Yeah, I here's my question.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
If you're a fifty percent completion guy in your first
fifteen sixteen stars, can you become a sixty four percent
completion guy?
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Well, Josh Allen, he wasn't quite fifty, but he was
down like fifty six something like that, and then he
popped what's now like credited to Davis. Yeah, he's like no, No,
he's probably like sixty seven sixty years. Okay, Allan, he's
hitting everything. How much of that was daybo? How much
of that as the new OC or just people can improve?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Right?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Well, it's also it's a very good point that Josh
Allen did it, but we also have to acknowledge that
Josh Allen is a little bit of an outlier. It's
like looking at CJ. Stroud and going, how come all
these quarterbacks aren't as good as c J.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Stroud did?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If you look right now this season, he's completing under
fifty percent of his throws. And I and again I'm
talking to people in the league. I trust they're like, column,
he's missing the easy stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
One thing.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
If you're missing seam routes, intermediate throws, he's missing stuff
in the flat and badly.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
Okay, here we go. So Josh Allen rookie year.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Okay, he goes five and six, start at eleven games,
fifty two percent completion?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Now what was a year two though?
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Bumped up to fifty eight?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Okay. Another said that's a significant.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
Movie, still missing wide open door.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, he also had a bad old line of no
run game.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
But then year three I got to check to see
if that was the year they got digs. He goes
from fifty eight to sixty nine, and since then he's
been like sixty three, sixty six and through three games
seventy five. He listen, we got we gotta chill out
with the Richardson bashing. Okay, Josh Allen, the numbers prove it.
He was fifty percent as his first year with three
eleven games, So I'm not selling my Richardson stock. I
(24:48):
still think he's got massive upside, right, would you agree?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I want to watch a few more games. I want
to watch a few more games.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
But you're all in on bo Knicks.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Well, bow Nicks has never had an accuracy issue. He
completed seventy five percent of his throws college. I'm not
out On Anthony Richardson the guy or the athlete. But
this is getting the t bow territory. I mean it's
Agam Cam was in fifty five or Josh five. We're
talking forty nine with Shane Steiken, Cam had Ron Rivera.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
You could say, well he's got a defensive who's his guy?
Like this is?
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I mean, if I'm gonna I'll watch every step this weekend,
and you know.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
I might have to go ahead and take the Colts
this weekend.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Richardson dashing is a little It's not Richardson bashing.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
It's Richardson observing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
If he was if he was completing sixty four percent
and I said he was inaccurate, that's bashing.
Speaker 6 (25:45):
Next three years, Who's stock? Would you rather have Justin
Fields or Anthony Richardson?
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Justin Fields?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
What stop? Come on, I'm stunned.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
Remember when I said Justin Fields would have a robust market? Laughed,
you scoffed, and you're like, come on, who wants this guy?
Speaker 8 (26:02):
Can't do now?
Speaker 6 (26:03):
It's like, oh, I take Richardson Overfields or Fields over
Richardson after like three games.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
I didn't say I'd take him by a mile. He said,
well he's completing seventy three percent of his throw three games.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
He's not throwing the ball down the field. They're winning
with defense. Richardson, man, he all right, I like the
we're on opposite side of this one. I'm kind of
pro Richardson here.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
Final story, Oh oh, this is the story we love.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
College football quarterback Matthew Sluca.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
I hope I'm saying his name right.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
He was at Holy Cross and the FCF was an
outstanding quarterback. Transfers to UNLV. Okay, he claims that UNLV said, sure,
we will give you one hundred thousand dollars if you
come to UNLV. Now, according to his representative, he could
not take the money because he was graduating from Holy Cross.
So then he gets to UNLV in August and he's like, oh,
(26:52):
so where's the money? And I guess they strung him along.
He's winning games, UNLV's ranked, and now he says, after
three games, I'm out.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
You guys aren't gonna pay me.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm leaving.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I don't like that.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
You don't like what the school screwing him over, or
him bailing on the team.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
I think I would play if it was up to me,
I would stay at UNLV because I wouldn't want to
bail on my team, but I would file some sort
of lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh stop it, lawsuit, comes on.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
No, Vegas has a lot of good atturn.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
You know what else, Vegas has a lot of money.
Somebody should show up with a briefcase. Hey, here's your
hundred case. Sorry for the delay, buddy.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Come on, Colin nil money. This is their best start.
I think in debth now.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
I watched him. He can play now a year.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
A completion percentage, he's forty three percent. But he's a
running quarterback. He just makes place. He's like a twenty
four year old kid who knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
This offense last year had the same thing, had an
athlete at quarterback, and this kid's an athlete running around
making plays.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
I don't like.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
If you read his representative's comments in the Las Vegas newspaper, Essentially,
they went to the coach and was like, hey, we
need our hundred thousand, and they're like, yeah, that's not
gonna happen. And he's like, fine, give me five thousand
or ten thousand for the next five months. And they
were like, no, we'll do three thousand. And at that
point the guy's like you guys promised me.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
One hundred k.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Now, he didn't get into writing, obviously a mistake, but
he's a young kid.
Speaker 8 (28:11):
I got a side with the kid here. I'm siding
with the underdog.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
You coastal elite, Colin gonna side with the multilay.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Do I think once you commit to a project with
teammates then at some point that this kid's not going
to play pros.
Speaker 8 (28:28):
He's not a pro.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
No, no, no, he's a college player.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
I went to UNLV because they said, we'll give you
a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Well, it's not like he had a huge market. If
you end up at UNLV, they all hold one hundred k.
Quarterbacks are now going for a million and a half.
Cam Ward's going for a million and a half. He
went for one hundred k. He didn't have a dynamic market,
and he's not an NFL guy, So this is his world.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That doesn't mean they can screw him over. Do you
know the difference to a college kid between zero dollars
and one hundred thousand dollars? Colin, come on, you gotta
side with the kid here.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
M just it'd be very hard. Sports is about team.
This is not a curling your downhill scheme.
Speaker 6 (29:07):
Okay, how about this Fox comes to you for your
next contract comment, we promised you this, that and the other,
and then you just do the show and you don't
get in writing, and you do the show for a
year and they're not so not delivering the promises.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I have an agent. I get it in writing.
Speaker 8 (29:21):
Okay, that's how you should have got in writing.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, no, I understand him being angry, and he does
have the right to file some sort of nil breach,
But I I just think I would have a hard time.
I thought about this, like, it's it's sports. You're in college.
Those guys are going to run if they go eight,
they go three and eight.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, they probably will. The coaching staff making promises that
they didn't keep.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
You're gonna have eighty enemies the rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Big, Come on, Hey, loyalty does not exist, Colin. It
does not exists anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I'm sorry, Yes, it does.
Speaker 8 (29:56):
It does not does not.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
He's not loyal to that team. I got these guys
in August. He's now he does retain eligibility because he
quit the team. That's right, So he can go somewhere
next year and play.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Now I want you guys all on Twitter and XT
to quote jmak. Loyalty does not exist in America.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It exists. It's just it's uh.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Sometimes it's temporary, but it hopefully it exists somewhere in
my life loyalty. While my wife's going to a psychic today,
who knows, depends on what the psychic says. We'll see
about the loyalty.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
It's the herd
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