October 8, 2024 • 30 mins
Super Bowl champion Drew Brees joins the show to give his thoughts on the Jets dismissing HC Robert Saleh, what he's seeing with the Cowboys offense, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The thing about watching Mahomes last night and Michael Jordan
did this that he started diminishing other great players like
Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. They are like great players,
but you're like, eh, my good players, but because you
know they didn't have any trophies and Michael was six
for six, you start diminishing other players. Like I love
Lamar Jackson, but you compare him to Mahomes and it's like, yeah,
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but he doesn't win in January or February. And you
look at Josh Allen, You're like unbelievable, but you're like, yeah,
kind of inconsistent, little bit reckless. Has to run through
offensive coordinators when you really get great like Mahomes or
Michael Jordan. And that's where the comps when people talk
about it, they are that is that Tiger Woods was
so great you question if anybody else could really play.
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I mean he was the best golfer, the best putter,
the best driver, the best clutch player. It was like Jordan,
and that's what Mahomes is. He's the most talented, moves effortlessly,
has the deep ball, unbelievable in clutch crisis situations. He
does everything so well. Start you start comparing him to
the other unbelievable quarterbacks, and they feel small anywhill Joe
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Burrow doesn't have a defense. Mahomes got to an AFC
Championship his first year as a starter, and Kansas City's
defense was ranked thirty first.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
He doesn't need a great defense.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He got to a Super Bowl last two years with
one of the worst receiving cores in the league. So
whenever I hear well, he's also the Chiefs have led
the NFL in drops the last two years. All I
hear is, excuse, well, our guys dropped the ball. We
don't have this guy, we don't have a great defense.
Mom's like, yeah, whatevs. And that was Jordan. I mean,
for years, it was like Pippen wasn't a great offensive player.
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He was a slasher, when you went to Portland and
they needed him to score, He's not really and it's
like never had a great big Cartwright was old. He
had a bunch of Kurz and Packson's, but it was
like Ron Harper had been here, now he's there. Rodman
was goofy but talented. Like you start looking at it,
I mean, the only thing he really needed was Phil
Jackson and Michael and they just kind of figured it out.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And man Pippin was valuable.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm not saying that in Travis Kelsey Matters and Andy Reid,
I'm not saying it. But you start comparing Jordan Tiger.
I know I felt this with Tiger. I'm like, you know,
usually it used to be one guy's great off the tee,
Brooks Koepka, you know, Scottie Scheffler, he gotta give you
the pots or the iron game. And then all of
a sudden, Tiger was like everything. I mean, it was
just Mahomes is just something else. I mean, before that
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game last night, Derek Carr was the number one highest
graded passer recording the PFF. You put him on the
same field juxtaposed to Mahomes and what does it look like?
It is like a startling difference, right, And Derek Carr's
been around for a long time. He'll end up top
twenty in passing yards. Drew Brees gonna be a Hall
of Fame on a couple of years, twenty years, Super Bowl,
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thirteen Pro Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So let me ask you about this.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'm not a fan of firing, and I think I
like continuity in my life. I ate the same breakfast.
I'm a habit guy. So every time fans always want
to go and fire the coach, and I'm like, okay,
well what about the symmetry with a quarterback? So you
had Sean Payton. You guys literally on the same wavelength.
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And I always think it's such an advantage. I mean,
justin Herbert's now on a new head coach and a
new coordinator and a new offensive line coach. How big
of a deal was continuity in your division? And for
you it was at worth two to three wins the year, Drew.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, continuity is extremely important.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And look, just about every head coach in the NFL
came from one side of the ball or the other. Right,
they were either a defensive, you know, minded coach who
came up through the ranks as a defensive position coach
and then probably became a defensive coordinator before they became
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a head coach. Or conversely, offensively, they were you know,
an O line coach or a quarterback coach, became an
offensive coordinator and then became a head coach. So they
skew towards one side of the ball, right, and they
still have heavy involvement on that side of the ball.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Very few times do you just have a head coach
who is just.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
A you know, call it a CEO, right where they
don't really have a lot of involvement with offense or defense.
They really just helped manage the coaching staff the team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
They helped create culture.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
You know, they make key decisions when they need to
be made, but they just allow their coaches to coach.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Obviously the background line I came from a New Orleans,
Sean Pay an offensive coach. He was our play caller, right.
A lot of kind of the way that everything was
skewed on our team was was very much offense, right.
We didn't have a lot of turnover on the offensive side.
We had a lot of turnover on the defensive side.
From the perspective of coaches and coordinators through through the years. Look,
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I look at this situation with the Jets, and obviously,
Robert sala is a defensive coach, right, came over after
having a ton of success with the San Francisco forty
nine ers as the defensive codinator. He came over to
the Jets, and the obvious problem that they were looking
to solve was their quarterback position. Right ever since he
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got there, right, they have Zach Wilson. Unfortunately that didn't
work out. They go out and get Aaron Rodgers, and
you know, all of a sudden, you feel like, Okay,
now we've kind of, you know, answered the problem here, right,
Robert sala is going to take care of the defensive side.
Aaron Rodgers comes in with a ton of experience and
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a resume to help handle the offensive side with you know.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A longtime coach who he had a rapport.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
With Nathaniel Hackett, and you know, hey, both sides are
taken care of.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's it's shocking to me that.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You would basically take what has been kind of a
relationship that's only lasted for really six games, right, Like
I don't even count last I don't even count last
year because Aaron missed the entire year last year, sure, right,
with the exception of a few plays. So it's like
you didn't even really allow this experiment to take place,
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right to like fully kind of vet itself out. All
I know is this, I would have loved to been
a fly on the wall on that plane ride back
from London. Man, Let's get some tequila sodas going up
there in first class, and let's get Woody Johnson, let's
get solid, let's get Aaron Rodgers, and let's all just
kind of get together and let's powwow this thing. Man,
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Let's see what's going on here. Let's see how we
can figure this thing out. I mean, I don't know
what the heck happened on that plane ride.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But obviously it wasn't good. I mean I look at
their team, and look, their defense is played well.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, their defense.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Is a top top ten defense, certainly top third of
the league. Their offense has been the bottom third. I
mean that's just a facts, right. So now, look, you
know I watched the game the other day. I got
up early on Sunday with my middle son. He wanted
to see the game, man, So we were up here
six thirty on the West Coast watching the game together. Yeah,
And the things that stood out to me were men,
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Aaron was under duress, right, I mean he was. He
was having to get the ball out of his hands
a lot sooner than he probably wanted to. He was
getting hit a lot. Look as he lost some mobility. Yeah,
you know, he's not able to avoid some of those
the way that I think we're used to seeing, right,
I mean he can still throw the ball. Is he
still developing a rapport with some of those receivers.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah? Probably.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But at the end of the day, as you're looking
at their team, like from the outside, I didn't see
a dysfunctional team. I mean I saw a team that. Man,
they've battled to the end, like they battled one of
the better teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It really should have won that game.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
They had a chance, right, I mean they're driving at
the end of the game to win that, to win it.
And you know, Aaron throws the pick, you know, but
like you know what's it's.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A bit baffling to me, as I'm sure it is
to you and a lot of others.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, you know, I said, I like solid defended him
on the air today and I said you know fans
in New York especially, it's like the example I used,
It's like going to the batting cage when you want
to vent and you just.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
You take the bat.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You go to the batting cage, you work up a sweat,
you're kicked off at something in your life, or you
won't go hit golf balls. Hey, you feel better after
an hour, like you were all worked up, and so
let's fire the coach. Everybody's mad.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Fire the coach.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It might take his He's probably the best coach on
the staff because a defense, to your point, wasn't a problem.
Here's the one thing I would criticize him. Listen, every
person out You and Sean Payton could argue in the
next night, go out, have a beer. Brady and Belichick
weren't buddies, but they almost co parented. They never ever
threw the other under a bus for twenty years at
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that podium. Ever, you and Breeze, I mean simpatico. Those
are special reading mahomes can bark at each other, they
love each other. Sala. You know a young coach in
New York, Drew. He'd go out there and say, Aaron's
not playing in the preseason Aaron would go in the
next day and go, yeah, nobody told me about that.
It's like, coach, you got to keep that to yourself.
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Or he said, you know, the Cadence thing was a problem. Well, hell,
Aaron's pretty good at the Carrett Kadence thing. I'd probably
keep that to yourself. I don't think Robert was great
at the podium. I thought a lot of times it's
the New York media. Drew just just don't I thought
sometimes he said stuff and Aaron's history is he's going
to himself. Is that a fair criticism or should Aaron
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when he gets asked uff just eat it, not feed
into it. But I kind of thought Salah didn't restrain
himself at the podium and set himself up to take
Aaron off.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Or am I overstating that?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Well, look, I think I think your point, your points
well taken. There's probably some things that that Salah said
publicly that we were better just to be kept you know, private,
and then there were probably reactions from Aaron that he
probably should have just eaten and said, you know, hey,
I'm going to go, you know, face to face with
the head coach and work out whatever it is, right,
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I mean, bottom line is they need to be on
the same page. I would always take the approach as
a player that if the coach said something that even
if I didn't agree with, I'm not I'm not gonna
I'm not going to disagree with him. I'm not going
to play that out in the media, right, I'm want
to go talk to him one on one, you know,
man and man player coach and come up with a
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solution and then you know, come up with the strategy
as to how, you you know, address the media about it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Right, But there was just things they should have stayed
in house that.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Maybe didn't you know that that whole debacle around mini
camp and.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Aaron misses Mini camp. Where is he?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
It was it was agreed to and then it wasn't
agreed to and next thing you know, Aeron's at the
Pyramids and the team's practicing. You know, like like, like,
what the heck's going on?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Couldn't you guys have just talked about it and gotten
on the same page.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't seem that complicated, right, Yeah,
but you know, drama, drama seems to follow certain people.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You're being kind, Uh, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
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Speaker 1 (11:54):
So there was a situation this week. And I don't
like criticizing play calling. I've stayed out of it for years.
I don't know your injuries. I don't know your game plan.
Stuff happens on the sideline. Guys are hurt, they can't
go in. Certain packages work, and then all of a
sudden there's an injury.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
They don't work.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But what Buffalo did three straight passes against Houston? So
Josh may have been concussed. He wasn't having a good day.
You're deep in your territory. Just run the ball, eat,
make Texans call timeouts, eat the clock, and get the overtime.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I didn't love that, and so I don't think anybody did.
But here's my question, Josh has earned the right like
you and your career at some point Sean.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Time out?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Did you ever and you had one of the great
play callers, but did you ever override Sean? Were you
allowed to do that? If you just like Sean?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't like it because I kind of put a
little bit on Josh Allen to say, Josh, you're around,
you get this league. You got twenty second you have
twenty thirty seconds burn It is it on Joshua, all
the entire staff.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, it's Look.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
As I was watching the game in that moment, I
was thinking to myself, look, it kind of had a
rough day, you know, offensively, Josh has had a rough day.
I think this is one of those deals where you
just run it three times and play for overtime. Right,
Just generally speaking, if you have an elite quarterback, there's
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a chance, right, and especially the way that the passer
interference rules are. I mean, you launch one down the field,
you get a forty yard pi, a fifty yard pi,
like all of a sudden, you're you have a game
winning opportunity, right, So a lot can happen there, And
are the odds in your favor?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Probably not, you know, the odds are not in your favor.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And yet with an elite quarterback, you feel like you
can do certain things, make certain decisions, take certain chance
is that you otherwise wouldn't if you had a rookie
quarterback or somebody else. Right now, as far as the
times where like Sean and I. Yeah, there's plenty of
times where I come to the sideline Sean been like
what do you think? Or hey, this is what I
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want to do, and I say, ah, don't like it,
you know, and we talk it out and we and
we come up with a plan. We go execute it, right,
So yeah, there was there was conversation, there was collaboration.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There was like, let's come with the plan. Once we
come up with the plan, we're rolling.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
And there were times where Sean's like, now I want
to do it, all right, coach, I'll execute it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know, that's my job.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, that moment was Look, had they lost one fifty
yards and completed it or got a PI and all
of a sudden gott in a fieldal ranging fifty game winner,
We're all sitting here going, oh McDermott's genius is amazing, right, Yeah,
but unfortunately it didn't work out in their favor.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I was thinking about this. I
always say Dak and Kerr cousins remind me of each other,
very high eques. I can watch Aaron Rodgers and I
can tell if I didn't watch the game, if he's
playing well or not. Jay Cutler has this I can
just look at him and go, Aaron's pissed. This is
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a bad afternoon. Kirk Cousins and Dak, I have no
idea that didn't play well. They were struggling in the
red zone. But there is something about Dak and Kirk Cousins.
Dak's like, let's go. He has a very short memory,
and I just think we don't understand the intensity of
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all you guys. You are one of the more intense
guys Sean, maybe more intense than you. And there are
times you have a pick six or a bad moment.
You got to get over it. And I think it's
one of Dak's great strainths. Tell me how hard it
is you are hyper competitive to just go all right,
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I'm gonna forget about it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Is that hard because Dak and Kirk, I think, are
so good at that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Look.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
It's one of the hardest things to be able to
manage and also just to learn in playing the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Is that short term memory.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And I'll be honest, that comes with both the good
and the bad, right, Like, hey, man, if things are good, yeah,
it's great. If you just feel like you got the
momentum and man, you're just feeling and it's flowing, and
you got the rhythm and this and that, and yet
at the same time, you don't want to get overly aggressive,
right and think you're invincible out there, because you're not.
At the same time, you, man, you start the game
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off a bit rough, make some bad decisions, make some
bad throws. It's very easy to kind of lose confidence
and then not want to turn the ball loose when
you should. You got to get over it very quickly,
I think at the end of the day, and this
is what I was always told.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Is that you can't you can't win the game.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
In the first half, but you can lose the game
in the first half from the perspective of like, man,
really like making some bad decisions and getting your team.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Down and whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
At the same time, all you ask and all you
hope for is that you will have a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The game in the end.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
And I think we recognize that seventy five percent of
these games in the NFL go down to the final possession, yep, right,
And so all you're wanting is just that opportunity. And
that's where the elite quarterbacks separate themselves is when you're
within that last five minutes of the game, Like, you
understand what wins and loses, You understand what can and
cannot happen.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You understand how to.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Position your team to be the one at the end
with the ball that's going in to win the game, right, Like,
it's the recognition when you're playing against another elite quarterback
on how to make sure that they that you're the
last one with the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And not them, right. And that's both at the end
of half and end of game. Right.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So this situational football, we'll call it. You've got to
be a problem solver. You be a master of probabilities.
I like all these things that separate the elite quarterbacks
from just kind of the middle of the pack guys.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
There's you know, a lot of people you will say,
you know that that Dak or even Kirk Cousins haven't
quite you know, elevated themselves into those levels of some
of the others because of you know, some things that
have happened in the playoffs. I think those guys consistently
are playing at high levels. I when I watch games,
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I can see that those guys know what wins and
loses games, right, And I think that they they at
the at the end of these games are finding ways
to win.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Kirk Cousins has had a couple of these these you know,
these moments this season already. I think three comeback victories
Dak the other night. Again, man, not quite going the
way you want, hostile environment, Steelers defense, you know all
this stuff, and man, we find a way. I mean,
he's got a complete Afford out pass to win the game, right,
I mean, so, did you get the job done?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Or did you not?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
He did so?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Man, these moments do nothing but build confidence.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
By the way, do you see Bo Nixon, Garrett Sean
Payne bark at each other? Did you laugh? Well you
called it by the way you called it?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I had to chuck a little bit, especially after our
conversation from two weeks ago, you know where you know
Sean Sean likes that, man, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's Bo Dicks kind of.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
He yells at him here.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And starts to walk away, and Seawl's like, wait a minute,
you get back here.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know, we're not done.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We're not done with this conversation. I think it was
It's funny. I think the argument was man. Sean was
so particular about Man, We're like, hey, we're running this
on the right hash into the formation into boundary, like
this is very exact because of how we want the
alignment or we want to create the leverage and we
want to create the matchup, so everything is very exact, right,
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And so I think that was this moment where I
think Sean felt like he had, you know, flipped the
formation the wrong way, put it in the boundary when
he wasn't supposed to. And I'm sure bo was like, no, Coach,
I know exactly what you said. This is how we're
gonna run it. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Sean loves that.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I'm telling you that that's the old Parcels thing. Man
Parcels wanted to you bark back at him. That's what
Sean used to always say, that be passionate, you know,
be sure about what you're what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, it's funny. Even the coach on the sideline defends
bo Nicks. If you watch, and he got bo Nicks
worked up.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
He got the assistant worked up. They're both all barking
at Sean. But you know what, it's that authenticity that
is a big part of Sean Peyton, it's you're all in,
We're all together. This stuff can be I've seen Andy
Reid and Mahomes bark bottom line is Kobe and Phil
Bart Folks, it's sports is live, get it out, don't
suppress it. I loved it. I thought of you when
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I saw that. I thought, Okay, we got to ask
Drew about that. You're so good on our show, buddy,
I appreciate it. You're eligible for the Hall of Fame
in twenty twenty six. Don't have to think much about that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It'll be great. We'll talk soon. Drew. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Sounds good. Cayl thanks man.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
All right, he's just fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I saw that, and I'm like, that's exact. And what's
great about that video? The assistant defends bow Knicks. So
Sean's barking at him, and the assistant defends bow Knicks.
They turn their back, they walk off, and how does
bow Nicks handle it at the podium. Now watch the
assistant here, Sorry for our radio audience, watch so boas
I did this, I did, and here comes the assistant
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to defend bow Knicks.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I love that. Herdline news to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
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Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, get all old of this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Woodie Johnson said he spoke to Aaron Rodgers last night,
but they didn't talk about the firing at all. He
said they discussed the game and Rogers passing sixty thousand passing,
but he did not discuss Robert Solo with him.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
What a bunch of hooey?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Johnson says, this is the best team he's had in
twenty five years. Feels like they needed a new direction.
The move gives them the best chance to win. Yeah,
give an interim coach. When's the last time you heard
an interim coach leads team to Super Bowl? I must
have missed that. Yeah, interim coach trying to beat Andy Reid. Yeah,
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nothing says super Bowl like Andy Reid and Larry the
cable guy hooking up in a big AFC playoff game.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You gotta be kidding me, what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Does Whatody Johnson think we're Can you imagine this conversation? Okay,
just for a I want to play this out, just
for a second. Your Aaron Rodgers, You're you're pissed you lost, Hey, Herne.
It's Woody Johnson. Yeah, that was a tough sol stinks. Hey,
congrats on the sixty thousand passing yards. Thanks thanks Woodie.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
You know, I've never talked to an odor after a loss,
but yeah, that was a tough one.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Listen, it was Uh, let's talk about the game. Offense
really struggled anything specific you want to touch on?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, can you fire Robert Solid for me?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, seriously, that's probably how it went.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Hoodie.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Johnson said he spoke to Aaron last night, so he's
not gonna deny that. That's an easy one. And by
the way, he acknowledges they discussed the game and then
in Aaron's worst performance, he congratulated him on a record
nobody cares about. But they never talked about the fire.
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How do you talk about the game and not bring
up Yeah, yeah, wait, we gotta win Monday night? That
was really bad. You don't think would he ever asked
about the head coach, because if if you're going to
fire the head coach, you were thinking about firing the
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head coach, right Like, if these guys upstairs want to
get rid of me, they wouldn't walk down have a
Danish a coffee walk in and said, you're they've probably
discussed it. They had phone calls, there were meetings. So
if you're going to fire him a couple of days later,
you were thinking about it, especially.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Right after the game.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So this is closer to after the game, you're still
kind of worked up emotionally, So so you talked about
the gate. Woody Johnson would have been better to just
lie and just say I never talked to him.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers gona get picked about this, by the way.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Who cares? At some point?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, Rogers is gonna take to the podium and
like he can't deny talking to the owner the night
before the coach gets fired.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
That's a horrible look.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
By the way, we saw Brandon Staley, remember the Chargers
last of the players quit on him.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Yeah, they quit and they lost like sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Three to four.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He saw those guys never quit that and never.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
So you saw Quincy, I think it was Quincy Williams
in the locker room say hey, guys have to take accountability.
He's not talking about Robert Sala. He's probably talking about
Aaron Rodgers, who runs his mouth a lot and then
throws three picks in London and then now we're gonna
run the coach.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Off that Jets team.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They got two primetime games.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Coming up, by the way, Yeah, but they is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They did play their arsof in that game. That's the
first They didn't just slow Minnesota down. They stopped them.
And Sauce Gardner was banged up, and Quentin Williams got hurt,
and Hassan Reddick's not here. This is not one of
these team quit on the coach. No, no, no, The
Jets played within unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He m.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Here's the other thing about Aaron Rodgers offense this year.
Have you noticed this? They're terrible to start games. I
mean all the good court now, now, Sean McVay may
lose a game, but generally the first two or three
series it's schemed up. I mean San Francisco first half
schemed up.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Look great.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
They got Minnesota in the first half. Looks unbelievable. Jets
are a terrible first half offense. Offensive problem. It's not
a solid problem.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
You think what he asked, Hey, what'd you see on
the pick six? When Van Grinkle read you like a
book and then took it?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He was too busy congratulating him on an irrelevant passing record.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Chead Lord J. Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
News, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Let's go to the other quarterback in New York, Daniel Jones.
I mean, you could make an argument he has outplayed
Aaron Rodgers through five games. Giants are off to a
better start than most expected. And Brian Dables singing the
praises of QB one.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Back does that?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Can you be smart about it?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
He's a competitive young man who again, Danny Jones has
done everything that I and we have asked him to do.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
He's here early, he stays late. He's got good leadership traits.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He does now He's not been as accurate as I like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
But if you watch that Seattle game, his footwork, he
was distributing the.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Seed Bengals Giants on Sunday Night football, Joe Burrow versus
Daniel Jones. That's a big, big gap between good quarterback
and bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I think Joan dj As I like to call him.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Okay, I like to call him Sling dj You.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Taking, You're taking the Giants getting the points here?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
No, yeah, look at that schedule. Bengals defense is winnable.
I mean they're not good?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Uh you are?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Do acknowledge though?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Brian Daviles a really good.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Yes, he's excellent, undeniable.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Next story, Colin is the Colts quarterback situation. It's a
little bit wild.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Anthony Richardson, the young star, cannot stay healthy. He's second
to last in the league in passer rating. The only
guy he's not better than is Bryce Young. Meanwhile, Joe Flackel,
the grizzled Vet who started in place of Richardson and
had a phenomenal game against Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
He's first in the league in passer rating.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Shane Stichen, though unbelievably said he isn't making any permanent changes.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, he is our start quarterback. We're trying to win
football games. That's the bottom line. We're trying to win
football games. And when Anthony's out there, obviously he's he
makes a lot of big plays for us.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
And that's where it's at.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
That sounds like a guy who's taking orders from the
owner somebody. Yeah, yeah, that's another owner.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
We need to get Anthony Richardson out there.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
We have to there. You cannot tell me the chainsike
and things. Richardson gives them a better chance to win games.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
At Flacco is Joe.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Flacco have a nickname January Joe because he was so
we would always deliver in the playoffs for the Ravens.
He's just good man. He's real three and seventy five yards.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, you know the air thing is he's a big,
strong guy.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So that part.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He's a big, strong, physical guy. I mean, compare him
to Bryce jow He just looks like an NFL quarterback,
big strong guy. Here's the earth thing. He's got a ring,
got two hundred million bucks in the bank. There's no pressure.
Flacco's out there like having a good time at practice,
cracking jokes, Sharon lunch sandwiches, slinging it like, here's no pressure.
He's just going out there having a great time.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Can you believe the Browns saw him get them to
the playoffs last year and we're like, oh, we don't
need to bring that guy back.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
We got the show.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Wild league final story Colin is Nico Collins, one of
the top receivers in the league, did hurt his hamstring
on that sixty seven yard touchdown against the Bills. Collins
leads the NFL in receiving yards, and last week Demko
Ryan said he should be an all pro. However, the
bad news is Nico Collins is considered week to week
with the hamstring. That is not good at all. And
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Nico Collins, yeah, but their offense was limited when Collins
went out.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
They couldn't do anything. I know they do have.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I believe the Patriots this week in their big favorites.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know, going on the road.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Maybe Mayo dials up some stuff for the Pig. No, no,
take it, take it in Texas, all right, careful those
big favorites.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So j Mackle the news.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But wait, Woody Johnson, Jets owner on Hassan Reddick, who
you know, they go get him and now he's not playing.
He said, this is something I've never seen before. You
have to be part psychologist and part some other gist
to try and figure it out what's going on. I
hope that the young man can come to the team.
We'd welcome him with open arms. When he gets here,
he'll find a very welcome locker room. I mean, the
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Jets defense is good now at Hassan Reddick. Scary Jets
win Monday Night they're in first place. Probably wouldn't have
fired my coach. I got nothing against the interim guy,
but the problem is, what if the interim guy runs
off like six wins here and then you got to
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hire interim guy. That's why I just when you have
a bad show, I just deal with it. I don't
go interim herdline guy.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I just deal with it. Their nonsense
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The thing about watching Mahomes last night and Michael Jordan
did this that he started diminishing other great players like
Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. They are like great players,
but you're like, eh, my good players, but because you
know they didn't have any trophies and Michael was six
for six, you start diminishing other players. Like I love
Lamar Jackson, but you compare him to Mahomes and it's like, yeah,
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but he doesn't win in January or February. And you
look at Josh Allen, You're like unbelievable, but you're like, yeah,
kind of inconsistent, little bit reckless. Has to run through
offensive coordinators when you really get great like Mahomes or
Michael Jordan. And that's where the comps when people talk
about it, they are that is that Tiger Woods was
so great you question if anybody else could really play.
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I mean he was the best golfer, the best putter,
the best driver, the best clutch player. It was like Jordan,
and that's what Mahomes is. He's the most talented, moves effortlessly,
has the deep ball, unbelievable in clutch crisis situations. He
does everything so well. Start you start comparing him to
the other unbelievable quarterbacks, and they feel small anywhill Joe
(01:29):
Burrow doesn't have a defense. Mahomes got to an AFC
Championship his first year as a starter, and Kansas City's
defense was ranked thirty first.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
He doesn't need a great defense.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
He got to a Super Bowl last two years with
one of the worst receiving cores in the league. So
whenever I hear well, he's also the Chiefs have led
the NFL in drops the last two years. All I
hear is, excuse, well, our guys dropped the ball. We
don't have this guy, we don't have a great defense.
Mom's like, yeah, whatevs. And that was Jordan. I mean,
for years, it was like Pippen wasn't a great offensive player.
(02:03):
He was a slasher, when you went to Portland and
they needed him to score, He's not really and it's
like never had a great big Cartwright was old. He
had a bunch of Kurz and Packson's, but it was
like Ron Harper had been here, now he's there. Rodman
was goofy but talented. Like you start looking at it,
I mean, the only thing he really needed was Phil
Jackson and Michael and they just kind of figured it out.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And man Pippin was valuable.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm not saying that in Travis Kelsey Matters and Andy Reid,
I'm not saying it. But you start comparing Jordan Tiger.
I know I felt this with Tiger. I'm like, you know,
usually it used to be one guy's great off the tee,
Brooks Koepka, you know, Scottie Scheffler, he gotta give you
the pots or the iron game. And then all of
a sudden, Tiger was like everything. I mean, it was
just Mahomes is just something else. I mean, before that
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game last night, Derek Carr was the number one highest
graded passer recording the PFF. You put him on the
same field juxtaposed to Mahomes and what does it look like?
It is like a startling difference, right, And Derek Carr's
been around for a long time. He'll end up top
twenty in passing yards. Drew Brees gonna be a Hall
of Fame on a couple of years, twenty years, Super Bowl,
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thirteen Pro Bowls.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So let me ask you about this.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'm not a fan of firing, and I think I
like continuity in my life. I ate the same breakfast.
I'm a habit guy. So every time fans always want
to go and fire the coach, and I'm like, okay,
well what about the symmetry with a quarterback? So you
had Sean Payton. You guys literally on the same wavelength.
(03:33):
And I always think it's such an advantage. I mean,
justin Herbert's now on a new head coach and a
new coordinator and a new offensive line coach. How big
of a deal was continuity in your division? And for
you it was at worth two to three wins the year, Drew.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Yeah, continuity is extremely important.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
And look, just about every head coach in the NFL
came from one side of the ball or the other. Right,
they were either a defensive, you know, minded coach who
came up through the ranks as a defensive position coach
and then probably became a defensive coordinator before they became
(04:16):
a head coach. Or conversely, offensively, they were you know,
an O line coach or a quarterback coach, became an
offensive coordinator and then became a head coach. So they
skew towards one side of the ball, right, and they
still have heavy involvement on that side of the ball.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Very few times do you just have a head coach
who is just.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
A you know, call it a CEO, right where they
don't really have a lot of involvement with offense or defense.
They really just helped manage the coaching staff the team.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
They helped create culture.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
You know, they make key decisions when they need to
be made, but they just allow their coaches to coach.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
Obviously the background line I came from a New Orleans,
Sean Pay an offensive coach. He was our play caller, right.
A lot of kind of the way that everything was
skewed on our team was was very much offense, right.
We didn't have a lot of turnover on the offensive side.
We had a lot of turnover on the defensive side.
From the perspective of coaches and coordinators through through the years. Look,
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I look at this situation with the Jets, and obviously,
Robert sala is a defensive coach, right, came over after
having a ton of success with the San Francisco forty
nine ers as the defensive codinator. He came over to
the Jets, and the obvious problem that they were looking
to solve was their quarterback position. Right ever since he
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got there, right, they have Zach Wilson. Unfortunately that didn't
work out. They go out and get Aaron Rodgers, and
you know, all of a sudden, you feel like, Okay,
now we've kind of, you know, answered the problem here, right,
Robert sala is going to take care of the defensive side.
Aaron Rodgers comes in with a ton of experience and
(06:02):
a resume to help handle the offensive side with you know.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
A longtime coach who he had a rapport.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
With Nathaniel Hackett, and you know, hey, both sides are
taken care of.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
It's it's shocking to me that.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You would basically take what has been kind of a
relationship that's only lasted for really six games, right, Like
I don't even count last I don't even count last
year because Aaron missed the entire year last year, sure, right,
with the exception of a few plays. So it's like
you didn't even really allow this experiment to take place,
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right to like fully kind of vet itself out. All
I know is this, I would have loved to been
a fly on the wall on that plane ride back
from London. Man, Let's get some tequila sodas going up
there in first class, and let's get Woody Johnson, let's
get solid, let's get Aaron Rodgers, and let's all just
kind of get together and let's powwow this thing. Man,
(07:03):
Let's see what's going on here. Let's see how we
can figure this thing out. I mean, I don't know
what the heck happened on that plane ride.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But obviously it wasn't good. I mean I look at
their team, and look, their defense is played well.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yes, their defense.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Is a top top ten defense, certainly top third of
the league. Their offense has been the bottom third. I
mean that's just a facts, right. So now, look, you
know I watched the game the other day. I got
up early on Sunday with my middle son. He wanted
to see the game, man, So we were up here
six thirty on the West Coast watching the game together. Yeah,
And the things that stood out to me were men,
(07:39):
Aaron was under duress, right, I mean he was. He
was having to get the ball out of his hands
a lot sooner than he probably wanted to. He was
getting hit a lot. Look as he lost some mobility. Yeah,
you know, he's not able to avoid some of those
the way that I think we're used to seeing, right,
I mean he can still throw the ball. Is he
still developing a rapport with some of those receivers.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah? Probably.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
But at the end of the day, as you're looking
at their team, like from the outside, I didn't see
a dysfunctional team. I mean I saw a team that. Man,
they've battled to the end, like they battled one of
the better teams in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
It really should have won that game.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
They had a chance, right, I mean they're driving at
the end of the game to win that, to win it.
And you know, Aaron throws the pick, you know, but
like you know what's it's.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
A bit baffling to me, as I'm sure it is
to you and a lot of others.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, you know, I said, I like solid defended him
on the air today and I said you know fans
in New York especially, it's like the example I used,
It's like going to the batting cage when you want
to vent and you just.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
You take the bat.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You go to the batting cage, you work up a sweat,
you're kicked off at something in your life, or you
won't go hit golf balls. Hey, you feel better after
an hour, like you were all worked up, and so
let's fire the coach. Everybody's mad.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Fire the coach.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
It might take his He's probably the best coach on
the staff because a defense, to your point, wasn't a problem.
Here's the one thing I would criticize him. Listen, every
person out You and Sean Payton could argue in the
next night, go out, have a beer. Brady and Belichick
weren't buddies, but they almost co parented. They never ever
threw the other under a bus for twenty years at
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that podium. Ever, you and Breeze, I mean simpatico. Those
are special reading mahomes can bark at each other, they
love each other. Sala. You know a young coach in
New York, Drew. He'd go out there and say, Aaron's
not playing in the preseason Aaron would go in the
next day and go, yeah, nobody told me about that.
It's like, coach, you got to keep that to yourself.
(09:40):
Or he said, you know, the Cadence thing was a problem. Well, hell,
Aaron's pretty good at the Carrett Kadence thing. I'd probably
keep that to yourself. I don't think Robert was great
at the podium. I thought a lot of times it's
the New York media. Drew just just don't I thought
sometimes he said stuff and Aaron's history is he's going
to himself. Is that a fair criticism or should Aaron
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when he gets asked uff just eat it, not feed
into it. But I kind of thought Salah didn't restrain
himself at the podium and set himself up to take
Aaron off.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Or am I overstating that?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Well, look, I think I think your point, your points
well taken. There's probably some things that that Salah said
publicly that we were better just to be kept you know, private,
and then there were probably reactions from Aaron that he
probably should have just eaten and said, you know, hey,
I'm going to go, you know, face to face with
the head coach and work out whatever it is, right,
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I mean, bottom line is they need to be on
the same page. I would always take the approach as
a player that if the coach said something that even
if I didn't agree with, I'm not I'm not gonna
I'm not going to disagree with him. I'm not going
to play that out in the media, right, I'm want
to go talk to him one on one, you know,
man and man player coach and come up with a
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solution and then you know, come up with the strategy
as to how, you you know, address the media about it.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Right, But there was just things they should have stayed
in house that.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Maybe didn't you know that that whole debacle around mini
camp and.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Aaron misses Mini camp. Where is he?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
It was it was agreed to and then it wasn't
agreed to and next thing you know, Aeron's at the
Pyramids and the team's practicing. You know, like like, like,
what the heck's going on?
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Couldn't you guys have just talked about it and gotten
on the same page.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, I mean it doesn't seem that complicated, right, Yeah,
but you know, drama, drama seems to follow certain people.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
You're being kind, Uh, yeah, it does.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
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Speaker 1 (11:54):
So there was a situation this week. And I don't
like criticizing play calling. I've stayed out of it for years.
I don't know your injuries. I don't know your game plan.
Stuff happens on the sideline. Guys are hurt, they can't
go in. Certain packages work, and then all of a
sudden there's an injury.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
They don't work.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But what Buffalo did three straight passes against Houston? So
Josh may have been concussed. He wasn't having a good day.
You're deep in your territory. Just run the ball, eat,
make Texans call timeouts, eat the clock, and get the overtime.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I didn't love that, and so I don't think anybody did.
But here's my question, Josh has earned the right like
you and your career at some point Sean.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Time out?
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Did you ever and you had one of the great
play callers, but did you ever override Sean? Were you
allowed to do that? If you just like Sean?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't like it because I kind of put a
little bit on Josh Allen to say, Josh, you're around,
you get this league. You got twenty second you have
twenty thirty seconds burn It is it on Joshua, all
the entire staff.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
No, it's Look.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
As I was watching the game in that moment, I
was thinking to myself, look, it kind of had a
rough day, you know, offensively, Josh has had a rough day.
I think this is one of those deals where you
just run it three times and play for overtime. Right,
Just generally speaking, if you have an elite quarterback, there's
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a chance, right, and especially the way that the passer
interference rules are. I mean, you launch one down the field,
you get a forty yard pi, a fifty yard pi,
like all of a sudden, you're you have a game
winning opportunity, right, So a lot can happen there, And
are the odds in your favor?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Probably not, you know, the odds are not in your favor.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And yet with an elite quarterback, you feel like you
can do certain things, make certain decisions, take certain chance
is that you otherwise wouldn't if you had a rookie
quarterback or somebody else. Right now, as far as the
times where like Sean and I. Yeah, there's plenty of
times where I come to the sideline Sean been like
what do you think? Or hey, this is what I
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want to do, and I say, ah, don't like it,
you know, and we talk it out and we and
we come up with a plan. We go execute it, right,
So yeah, there was there was conversation, there was collaboration.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
There was like, let's come with the plan. Once we
come up with the plan, we're rolling.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
And there were times where Sean's like, now I want
to do it, all right, coach, I'll execute it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You know, that's my job.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yeah, that moment was Look, had they lost one fifty
yards and completed it or got a PI and all
of a sudden gott in a fieldal ranging fifty game winner,
We're all sitting here going, oh McDermott's genius is amazing, right, Yeah,
but unfortunately it didn't work out in their favor.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I was thinking about this. I
always say Dak and Kerr cousins remind me of each other,
very high eques. I can watch Aaron Rodgers and I
can tell if I didn't watch the game, if he's
playing well or not. Jay Cutler has this I can
just look at him and go, Aaron's pissed. This is
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a bad afternoon. Kirk Cousins and Dak, I have no
idea that didn't play well. They were struggling in the
red zone. But there is something about Dak and Kirk Cousins.
Dak's like, let's go. He has a very short memory,
and I just think we don't understand the intensity of
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all you guys. You are one of the more intense
guys Sean, maybe more intense than you. And there are
times you have a pick six or a bad moment.
You got to get over it. And I think it's
one of Dak's great strainths. Tell me how hard it
is you are hyper competitive to just go all right,
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I'm gonna forget about it.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Is that hard because Dak and Kirk, I think, are
so good at that.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Look.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
It's one of the hardest things to be able to
manage and also just to learn in playing the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Is that short term memory.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
And I'll be honest, that comes with both the good
and the bad, right, Like, hey, man, if things are good, yeah,
it's great. If you just feel like you got the
momentum and man, you're just feeling and it's flowing, and
you got the rhythm and this and that, and yet
at the same time, you don't want to get overly aggressive,
right and think you're invincible out there, because you're not.
At the same time, you, man, you start the game
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off a bit rough, make some bad decisions, make some
bad throws. It's very easy to kind of lose confidence
and then not want to turn the ball loose when
you should. You got to get over it very quickly,
I think at the end of the day, and this
is what I was always told.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Is that you can't you can't win the game.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
In the first half, but you can lose the game
in the first half from the perspective of like, man,
really like making some bad decisions and getting your team.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Down and whatever.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
At the same time, all you ask and all you
hope for is that you will have a chance to win.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The game in the end.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
And I think we recognize that seventy five percent of
these games in the NFL go down to the final possession, yep, right,
And so all you're wanting is just that opportunity. And
that's where the elite quarterbacks separate themselves is when you're
within that last five minutes of the game, Like, you
understand what wins and loses, You understand what can and
cannot happen.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You understand how to.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Position your team to be the one at the end
with the ball that's going in to win the game, right, Like,
it's the recognition when you're playing against another elite quarterback
on how to make sure that they that you're the
last one with the ball.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And not them, right. And that's both at the end
of half and end of game. Right.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
So this situational football, we'll call it. You've got to
be a problem solver. You be a master of probabilities.
I like all these things that separate the elite quarterbacks
from just kind of the middle of the pack guys.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
And look, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
There's you know, a lot of people you will say,
you know that that Dak or even Kirk Cousins haven't
quite you know, elevated themselves into those levels of some
of the others because of you know, some things that
have happened in the playoffs. I think those guys consistently
are playing at high levels. I when I watch games,
(18:33):
I can see that those guys know what wins and
loses games, right, And I think that they they at
the at the end of these games are finding ways
to win.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Kirk Cousins has had a couple of these these you know,
these moments this season already. I think three comeback victories
Dak the other night. Again, man, not quite going the
way you want, hostile environment, Steelers defense, you know all
this stuff, and man, we find a way. I mean,
he's got a complete Afford out pass to win the game, right,
I mean, so, did you get the job done?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Or did you not?
Speaker 7 (19:03):
He did so?
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Man, these moments do nothing but build confidence.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
By the way, do you see Bo Nixon, Garrett Sean
Payne bark at each other? Did you laugh? Well you
called it by the way you called it?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I had to chuck a little bit, especially after our
conversation from two weeks ago, you know where you know
Sean Sean likes that, man, I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's Bo Dicks kind of.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
He yells at him here.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
And starts to walk away, and Seawl's like, wait a minute,
you get back here.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know, we're not done.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
We're not done with this conversation. I think it was
It's funny. I think the argument was man. Sean was
so particular about Man, We're like, hey, we're running this
on the right hash into the formation into boundary, like
this is very exact because of how we want the
alignment or we want to create the leverage and we
want to create the matchup, so everything is very exact, right,
(19:54):
And so I think that was this moment where I
think Sean felt like he had, you know, flipped the
formation the wrong way, put it in the boundary when
he wasn't supposed to. And I'm sure bo was like, no, Coach,
I know exactly what you said. This is how we're
gonna run it. You know.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Sean loves that.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I'm telling you that that's the old Parcels thing. Man
Parcels wanted to you bark back at him. That's what
Sean used to always say, that be passionate, you know,
be sure about what you're what you're talking about.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Yeah, it's funny. Even the coach on the sideline defends
bo Nicks. If you watch, and he got bo Nicks
worked up.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
He got the assistant worked up. They're both all barking
at Sean. But you know what, it's that authenticity that
is a big part of Sean Peyton, it's you're all in,
We're all together. This stuff can be I've seen Andy
Reid and Mahomes bark bottom line is Kobe and Phil
Bart Folks, it's sports is live, get it out, don't
suppress it. I loved it. I thought of you when
(20:50):
I saw that. I thought, Okay, we got to ask
Drew about that. You're so good on our show, buddy,
I appreciate it. You're eligible for the Hall of Fame
in twenty twenty six. Don't have to think much about that.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
It'll be great. We'll talk soon. Drew. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Sounds good. Cayl thanks man.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
All right, he's just fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I saw that, and I'm like, that's exact. And what's
great about that video? The assistant defends bow Knicks. So
Sean's barking at him, and the assistant defends bow Knicks.
They turn their back, they walk off, and how does
bow Nicks handle it at the podium. Now watch the
assistant here, Sorry for our radio audience, watch so boas
I did this, I did, and here comes the assistant
(21:27):
to defend bow Knicks.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I love that. Herdline news to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Next, be sure to catch live editions of The Herd
weekdays and noon eastern non a Empacific.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, get all old of this nonsense.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Woodie Johnson said he spoke to Aaron Rodgers last night,
but they didn't talk about the firing at all. He
said they discussed the game and Rogers passing sixty thousand passing,
but he did not discuss Robert Solo with him.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
What a bunch of hooey?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Johnson says, this is the best team he's had in
twenty five years. Feels like they needed a new direction.
The move gives them the best chance to win. Yeah,
give an interim coach. When's the last time you heard
an interim coach leads team to Super Bowl? I must
have missed that. Yeah, interim coach trying to beat Andy Reid. Yeah,
(22:29):
nothing says super Bowl like Andy Reid and Larry the
cable guy hooking up in a big AFC playoff game.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
You gotta be kidding me, what I mean?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Does Whatody Johnson think we're Can you imagine this conversation? Okay,
just for a I want to play this out, just
for a second. Your Aaron Rodgers, You're you're pissed you lost, Hey, Herne.
It's Woody Johnson. Yeah, that was a tough sol stinks. Hey,
congrats on the sixty thousand passing yards. Thanks thanks Woodie.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
You know, I've never talked to an odor after a loss,
but yeah, that was a tough one.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Listen, it was Uh, let's talk about the game. Offense
really struggled anything specific you want to touch on?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah, can you fire Robert Solid for me?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, seriously, that's probably how it went.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Let's be real.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Hoodie.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Johnson said he spoke to Aaron last night, so he's
not gonna deny that. That's an easy one. And by
the way, he acknowledges they discussed the game and then
in Aaron's worst performance, he congratulated him on a record
nobody cares about. But they never talked about the fire.
(23:50):
How do you talk about the game and not bring
up Yeah, yeah, wait, we gotta win Monday night? That
was really bad. You don't think would he ever asked
about the head coach, because if if you're going to
fire the head coach, you were thinking about firing the
(24:10):
head coach, right Like, if these guys upstairs want to
get rid of me, they wouldn't walk down have a
Danish a coffee walk in and said, you're they've probably
discussed it. They had phone calls, there were meetings. So
if you're going to fire him a couple of days later,
you were thinking about it, especially.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Right after the game.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
So this is closer to after the game, you're still
kind of worked up emotionally, So so you talked about
the gate. Woody Johnson would have been better to just
lie and just say I never talked to him.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers gona get picked about this, by the way.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Who cares? At some point?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, Rogers is gonna take to the podium and
like he can't deny talking to the owner the night
before the coach gets fired.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
That's a horrible look.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
By the way, we saw Brandon Staley, remember the Chargers
last of the players quit on him.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Yeah, they quit and they lost like sixty.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
Three to four.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He saw those guys never quit that and never.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
So you saw Quincy, I think it was Quincy Williams
in the locker room say hey, guys have to take accountability.
He's not talking about Robert Sala. He's probably talking about
Aaron Rodgers, who runs his mouth a lot and then
throws three picks in London and then now we're gonna
run the coach.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Off that Jets team.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
They got two primetime games.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Coming up, by the way, Yeah, but they is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
They did play their arsof in that game. That's the
first They didn't just slow Minnesota down. They stopped them.
And Sauce Gardner was banged up, and Quentin Williams got hurt,
and Hassan Reddick's not here. This is not one of
these team quit on the coach. No, no, no, The
Jets played within unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He m.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Here's the other thing about Aaron Rodgers offense this year.
Have you noticed this? They're terrible to start games. I
mean all the good court now, now, Sean McVay may
lose a game, but generally the first two or three
series it's schemed up. I mean San Francisco first half
schemed up.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Look great.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
They got Minnesota in the first half. Looks unbelievable. Jets
are a terrible first half offense. Offensive problem. It's not
a solid problem.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
You think what he asked, Hey, what'd you see on
the pick six? When Van Grinkle read you like a
book and then took it?
Speaker 1 (26:07):
He was too busy congratulating him on an irrelevant passing record.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Chead Lord J. Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
News, this is the herd line news.
Speaker 6 (26:22):
Let's go to the other quarterback in New York, Daniel Jones.
I mean, you could make an argument he has outplayed
Aaron Rodgers through five games. Giants are off to a
better start than most expected. And Brian Dables singing the
praises of QB one.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Back does that?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Can you be smart about it?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
He's a competitive young man who again, Danny Jones has
done everything that I and we have asked him to do.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
He's here early, he stays late. He's got good leadership traits.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
He does now He's not been as accurate as I like.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
But if you watch that Seattle game, his footwork, he
was distributing the.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Seed Bengals Giants on Sunday Night football, Joe Burrow versus
Daniel Jones. That's a big, big gap between good quarterback
and bad quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I think Joan dj As I like to call him.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Okay, I like to call him Sling dj You.
Speaker 8 (27:18):
Taking, You're taking the Giants getting the points here?
Speaker 6 (27:21):
No, yeah, look at that schedule. Bengals defense is winnable.
I mean they're not good?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Uh you are?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Do acknowledge though?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Brian Daviles a really good.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Yes, he's excellent, undeniable.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
Next story, Colin is the Colts quarterback situation. It's a
little bit wild.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
Anthony Richardson, the young star, cannot stay healthy. He's second
to last in the league in passer rating. The only
guy he's not better than is Bryce Young. Meanwhile, Joe Flackel,
the grizzled Vet who started in place of Richardson and
had a phenomenal game against Jacksonville.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
He's first in the league in passer rating.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Shane Stichen, though unbelievably said he isn't making any permanent changes.
Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yes, he is our start quarterback. We're trying to win
football games. That's the bottom line. We're trying to win
football games. And when Anthony's out there, obviously he's he
makes a lot of big plays for us.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
And that's where it's at.
Speaker 6 (28:13):
That sounds like a guy who's taking orders from the
owner somebody. Yeah, yeah, that's another owner.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
We need to get Anthony Richardson out there.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
We have to there. You cannot tell me the chainsike
and things. Richardson gives them a better chance to win games.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
At Flacco is Joe.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Flacco have a nickname January Joe because he was so
we would always deliver in the playoffs for the Ravens.
He's just good man. He's real three and seventy five yards.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Well, you know the air thing is he's a big,
strong guy.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
So that part.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
He's a big, strong, physical guy. I mean, compare him
to Bryce jow He just looks like an NFL quarterback,
big strong guy. Here's the earth thing. He's got a ring,
got two hundred million bucks in the bank. There's no pressure.
Flacco's out there like having a good time at practice,
cracking jokes, Sharon lunch sandwiches, slinging it like, here's no pressure.
He's just going out there having a great time.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Can you believe the Browns saw him get them to
the playoffs last year and we're like, oh, we don't
need to bring that guy back.
Speaker 8 (29:04):
We got the show.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Wild league final story Colin is Nico Collins, one of
the top receivers in the league, did hurt his hamstring
on that sixty seven yard touchdown against the Bills. Collins
leads the NFL in receiving yards, and last week Demko
Ryan said he should be an all pro. However, the
bad news is Nico Collins is considered week to week
with the hamstring. That is not good at all. And
(29:29):
Nico Collins, yeah, but their offense was limited when Collins
went out.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
They couldn't do anything. I know they do have.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
I believe the Patriots this week in their big favorites.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I don't know, going on the road.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Maybe Mayo dials up some stuff for the Pig. No, no,
take it, take it in Texas, all right, careful those
big favorites.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
So j Mackle the news.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But wait, Woody Johnson, Jets owner on Hassan Reddick, who
you know, they go get him and now he's not playing.
He said, this is something I've never seen before. You
have to be part psychologist and part some other gist
to try and figure it out what's going on. I
hope that the young man can come to the team.
We'd welcome him with open arms. When he gets here,
he'll find a very welcome locker room. I mean, the
(30:16):
Jets defense is good now at Hassan Reddick. Scary Jets
win Monday Night they're in first place. Probably wouldn't have
fired my coach. I got nothing against the interim guy,
but the problem is, what if the interim guy runs
off like six wins here and then you got to
(30:37):
hire interim guy. That's why I just when you have
a bad show, I just deal with it. I don't
go interim herdline guy.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I just deal with it. Their nonsense
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