Hour 3 - Greg Olsen

Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen joins the show to talk about what Christian McCaffrey's return would mean for the 49ers Super Bowl hopes

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right, welcome back Greg Olsen. Fourteen years in the NFL,
A three time Pro Bowl. He's such an excellent broadcaster
for US. Nobody clarifies and simplifies the complicated faster and
better than Greg Olsen. So this summer, I was out
in one of my favorite little haunts in Rhode Island,
and all of a sudden, all these big you know guys,

(00:45):
Luke Keikley and Jonathan Stewart and Greg Olsen are sitting
over there. They come over and they were there for
the Christian McCaffrey wedding, which for the record, not invited.
Still a little bitter, No big deal, But Christian comes
back this weekend. You played with him for three years
in Carolina, and I remember being with my wife and

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meeting him. She could not believe he was a great
football player. He's like that guy. I'm like, he may be,
pound for pound, the strongest football player in the history
of the league. Take people behind your years with him
and just I think, after Walter Payton and Barry Stanton,
he's in the argument for one of the best backs
I've ever seen. Did you spot it instantly? What was

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it about him that you saw instantly?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, first off, I think his greatest qualities he throws
a great wedding, and we can get into that at
a different time. But for anyone who saw maybe some
of the pictures that surfaced online, safe to say we
had a really good time getting the band back together.
But you know, my favorite McCaffrey story, and I tell
this like anytime anyone behind the scenes, like asse, just
describe him. So he gets drafted, and remember, because he

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went to Stanford and they're on a different semester city,
there's this rule where incoming rookies can't participate in the
off season program because of the semester quarters system or
whatever they do at some of the schools around the country.
So we didn't really get to see Christian much in
the early stages of Ota. So Ron rivera our head coach,

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he's throwing a charity event. It's like a bowling charity event,
so a bunch of the guys. Of course, when your
head coach throws an event, you go. So I'm sitting
there and McCaffrey's there, his mom, and this is really
the first time that I get to meet him and
his family because he hadn't yet.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
Been able to join us.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And for the next two hours, he didn't bowl a ball,
he didn't talk to anyone. He sat next to me
in the lane that I was assigned to, and he
asked me to describe our past protection rules. How does
Cam make the mic declarations? What does Ryan Khalil do?
What's his hand gestures? For two hours, all he wanted
to talk about was pass protection, our calls, our line,

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our line movements, our responsibilities. And I remember going home
that day and I was like, I know, this dude's talented.
I watched all of his games. I think he should
have won the Heisman his last year. But I was like,
this dude's mindset, his work ethic, he was just unlike
any rookie that I had ever been around as far
as his approach and his maturity and lo and behold

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Obviously his career has followed suit. We played together for
three years and then obviously he got traded out the year.
Shortly after that, I got released and went out and
did my last year in Seattle. So he is a
special player. Obviously, him getting back healthy now from the
Achilles will be a big boost. If San Francisco could
just hang in there get him back, I think we'll

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see them kind of start to ascend down the stretch here.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
So you've had a couple of Falcons games. We had
picked the Falcons to win the division. I liked drafting
Panix after acquiring Cousins Kirk Cousins because I thought, Okay,
mature now, growth later. It's very Mahomes Alex Smith like
I have. He didn't sign a ridiculous contract. It's a
it's a Kirk Cousins deal. It's fair. I think they're

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really good. I think they're super efficient. I think he's
a really I think he's a grown up, and I
think Atlanta was a bunch of young kids and needed
a grown up. What is your introg You may know
Atlanta better than any broadcast. You've done several games. Can
they beat to Detroit? Can they beat it can they
beat to Philadelphia or is it just they're gonna win
that division and that's nice? What do you see with

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them because they're starting to put w's together.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I think if you would have asked me three
weeks ago, so this is going to be my third
Atlanta game in a row. I actually just shortly before
jumping on with you, we just had our calls with
Raheem Morris and Zach Robinson, who Now I feel like
I really know these guys because I've spent so much
time talking to them over the last couple of weeks
of the season. So if you would have asked me
three weeks ago, could they go, you know, in the
divisional round or in the NFC Championship. Could they beat

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you know, the Lions or San Francisco if they're healthy
and what we've seen, I think I probably would have
balked on that. I would have said, he I, I
need to see more. I need to see more growth
out of the defense. I got to see a better
pass rush. They've got to be able to stop some
of these high profile, prolific offenses. But the last couple
of weeks, now, but I saw last week, albeit against
Dallas who's really banged up and they're having problems of

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their own. This is a team that, again I never
want to jink anyone knock on wood for their safe
is healthy. They're very talented on the offensive side of
the ball. You talk a lot about Kirk Cousins, but
they've you know, they got first round picks everywhere. V
Jon Robinson, Drake London, Kyle Pitts is having the best
season since his rookie year. Yes, the quiet signing of
Darnell Mooney. I don't know if anyone's really like talking

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enough about him disappointing year last year in Chicago. He
has been their most electric downfield player, leads the league
in explosive catches. You know, a quiet guy, Ray Ray Armstrong,
a offensive line that's gotten better. And then you got
Raheem Morris. Right, So you have Rahee Morris who understands
defense that they might not have a bunch of superstars,
a bunch of prolific guys, but the Jesse Bates of

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the world and Caden Ellis in the return of Rady Jarrett.
I mean, they are very good, sound solid at all
three levels. And Raheem Morris, he knows a lot about defense.
He understands how to get a defense better, so their
ability to play complimentary ball. I'm a lot closer to
saying that they can compete in an NFC playoff picture
with the likes of the Lions. I still think the

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Lions are the top dog. I think, until proven otherwise,
they are the team to be in the NFC. They
got that thing rolling goff along with Lamars probably in
that handful of guys in the MVP race here at
the halfway point. But I really liked the job that
Raheem Morris has done. He took that job knowing they
were a quarterback away from being very good. They've added

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a couple key pieces in free agency and through the draft,
and he's got a really good coaching staff that has
gotten the most out of their players here so far.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
So listen, it looks like Drake may can play bow
Knicks can play JJ McCarthy before the injury, can play,
Caleb certainly talented, and Jaden Daniels can not only play.
He's like like, it's it's too easy. And my take
on this is it's just like having kids. The less chaos,

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the more wisdom, the more protection there's I mean you
watch the way the Ravens have slowly built up Lamar
Jackson with support, and how the Bengals have been cheap
moved off mixing. Haven't ever gotten the offensive line right.
Even when you're great, Joe Burrow, you can see he
looks angry all the time. He knows he's not playing
with a team like a like a Jalen Hurtz or

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even a Justin Herbert, the Jade and Daniels stuff. I mean,
you saw a very young cam. Are you surprised how
seamless and effortless it's been. I know the sec is good,
but I mean he's completing almost seventy two percent of
his throws. He doesn't throw bad picks. You a little surprised, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I think we've seen over the years, especially over the
last couple of years, there is a wide spectrum of
immediate quarterback success. And whether you're the first overall pick
or you're a lower pick, it doesn't really matter playing quarterback.
Playing as a rookie in the NFL is challenging regardless
of the position, but no more so than at the
quarterback position. And we've seen great examples over the last

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couple of years of rookies who have come on to
the scene and seem like they're even better than they
were in college.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
And that was CJ.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Shroud last year as a rookie player, you know, Rookie
of the Year and takes Houston to the playoffs. And
then we've seen top picks struggle and have a little
bit more of a stunted growth and a little bit
of a slower development. So I agree with you so
much about the early success in development of young quarterbacks
in the league is the environment in which they get
drafted to. So it's twofold. It's who's in charge, who

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is setting the culture, who is putting the parameters and
whatnot about building the culture. And he has, in my opinion,
probably the best culture guy in football. At least he's
in the conversation in Dan Quinn. So I think they
hired Dan. He brings some stability, He's an unbelievable balance
of motivating. He's got a little Dan Campbell to him
right where, Yes, he was a play caller and that

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was his backstory. But really the first name when you
bring up Dan Campbell's name or Dan Quinn's name, it's
the first thing you see is like the eyes light
up about all of their players. It's like, we love
him the fear of letting him down. It is a
great motivating factor. And there's a few guys that just
have that personality. Dan Quinn is one of them. So
it starts there. I think again, a sneaky hire that

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maybe didn't get The offseason Buzz was hiring Cliff Kingsbury
to be the offensive coordinator and we had Washington a
few weeks back. Cliff was very honest. He said, my
first order of business was not to install the Arizona
Cardinals two point zero offense and continuation of that or
necessarily what I did in college. He goes, My day
one install this offseason was me sitting down with Jayden

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Daniels and saying, give me your top schemes, your top protections,
your top route concepts that you loved in college. Give
them to me, write them down in your verbage. That's
our day one install. And He's like, from that point
I could layer in elements of my system to best
suit Jade and Daniels and wear his strengths and protect

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some of his weaknesses. And I think you can see
that they don't huddle. They get up to the ball,
they vary their tempos, they get an add of different
personnel groupings. They make the offense look a lot more complicate,
the complicated, but it's really just recycling a lot of
similar concepts that he ran in college, some of the
RPO stuff, some of the design quarterback runs where he
just can keep the defense honest enough, and then he's

(10:31):
wildly accurate to your point. So it's a really good fit.
He's got some good offensive skill guys around him, Terry
McLaurin and Brian Robinson. So yeah, the environment in which
you walk into is the number one factor, not talent,
not what you did in college, not what your draft
status was. The environment in which you're drafted to a
La brock Perdy is the number one aspect of what

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determines whether you're going to have immediate success and growth
or if the early days are going to be trying.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Finally, the two quarterbacks in college, which they're just different,
cam Ward and Shador Sanders. They move well, they throw.
He plays with sort of a casual comfort. I mean,
he's just very comfortable guy. It all feels a little backyard.
He's not He didn't stress out. Does it translate when
you see cam Ward. I mean, obviously they almost Duke

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and cal gave him trouble. He's the right now, he's
the guy. He's leading that team. What do you make
of him stylistically? Is that work in the NFL?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I think that's going to be every single team in
the top half the draft. I think that's going to
be every single front off his conversation for the until
next year's draft, it's going to be. We see all
these traits, we see the unbelievable arm talent, we see
the again. I always struggle using this word in comparison
because it's probably not fair, but it is very Mahomes
type style where it's not always in rhythm, his feet

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are not always set. Sometimes he's moving backwards. But it's
the arm talent that kind of except for it. The
question is, you know, it's chicken or the egg, right.
A guy like Mahomes was able to transition to an
off script, improvised style of passer, but it was built
on the fundamentals of being a more traditional passer from
his college days and then obviously early on with Andy Reid.

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So there is that foundation. He's just taking it to
a level that is very hard to expect other people
to be able to play a similar style. So when
you look at cam Ward, had a chance to go
down there and watch their first game down in the
swamp against Florida, and I remember saying one of the
assistant coaches walking in at halftime, I was like, his
feet are never set, He's always going backwards. Yet every

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ball has incredible, you know, tempo on it, the pacing,
it's on rhythm, it's in target, and even though he's
not in rhythm, everything about the offense seems to be
in rhythm. And I think that's going to be the
big question, is his talent is undeniable. Marito, Chris vall
and I had dinner back in the spring, and he
goes Greg, of all the dudes we've had right the

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door seas of the world, those guys that have just
that incredible intangibles to make everyone around them fall in
line and play better, He's like he is unlike anyone
that I've ever been around. He's very justin Herbert from
his days at Oregon as the head coach when Mario
was there. He's like he is that personality. And then
of course he's wildly talented.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
So I think.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
Whoever gets him, wherever they get him, I think they
have a star on their hands. You're gonna have to
just look past some of the things that don't look
prototypical NFL quarterback. And if you can look past that,
like a lot of people did with Mahomes. And again
I'm not saying he's Mahomes. I'm just that's kind of
the path he's on. And I'll tell you what he

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is fun to watch. He is a blast and as
a Miami guy, man, I hope they can score fifty
in every game and hopefully I can go to some
of the playoff bouls.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's just a lucy goosey, fun backyard style, but it works.
Greg Olsen, Fox Sports. Always appreciate you taking ten twelve
minutes more. Appreciate Bud, appreciate you. Oh right here, greg Olsen. Yeah,
when you watch him, it has a backyard field to it.
Shadoor Sanders I think tends to set up more. He
sits just when I watch Shadu or it looks like

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an NFL quarterback. Cam Ward, I'm like, does it is
that going to play in the next level? But I
will say this, dude's accurate. Doesn't matter how he's throwing ball,
ends up in the right place. It's just a very loose,
fun style. I don't know. I don't have an answer
for Shador Sanders. I think works. I think he just's
everything works, size, movement, accuracy. You know, Dad was an

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old timer, so he understands kind of the professional game.
Cam's going to be a really fascinating pick.

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Speaker 5 (14:55):
Let's start with rookie quarterbacks on the heels of your
Quarterback Chat with Olsen. Two of this year's top three
quarterbacks faced off Sunday on Fox when Drake May battles
Caleb Williams. May showed a lot of promise last week
against the lowly Titans, garnering the title of Josh Allen
two point zero. Sounds like you'll have extra motivation heading
into week ten.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
Really with Caleb, I've seen him sin high school, you know,
going to the same camps, was at the Lee leven
with each other. That's some college visits together, so kind
of the whole thing, kind of going through the process again.
You know, we got up with each other in college.
You know, we were friends and and uh, you know,
enjoyed watching him do his thing. And now I'll get
a chance to compete. So you know, anytime you're going

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east the rookie quarterback and in the same class, any
quarterback in your class in general, you know, it's it's
a little exture. So looking forward to go out there
and getting a chance to you know, play the Bears.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, I think Drake looked good. Lest we had a
bad pick at the end, but I thought it looked
pretty good.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Good, better than good.

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Column is that rush for ninety three yard?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:55):
No, no, he's all these guys bo nixt. Drake made
Jayden Daniels. Caleb can all move.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
This is interesting.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
So Caleb did not look great against Jaden Daniels and
then Jayden has the walk off hill Mary, and now
Caleb has to face Drake may who's coming off an
awesome game and the Bears are big favorites at home.
And what happens if Drake Mayow plays him in the
Patriots somehow? When I know you don't want to talk
about that. You're a Caleb guy, I get it, but.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
No, no, no, no, you do, Okay, I'm willing to talk
about it. I think the side is New England.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
Oh, I'm looking at the Bears injury report. This is
what I do sometimes, and they still have a lot
of guys out and I need to make sure Sweat
is playing.

Speaker 7 (16:36):
Sweat didn't even play last week against Arizona. So when
I saw that Bears injury report Friday, I went Arizona
in the contest.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
I'm looking at the Bears.

Speaker 7 (16:43):
I mean, how long is Brisker going to be out?
There's like three weeks on a.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Concussion, really, And now that I've got an offensive lineman
down maybe so I don't know if I can take
the Bears. But I hope Caleb wins this game because
all this stuff about quitting the DJ Moore videos I'm
sure you saw this week.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, I didn't love that.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Not a lot of positive vibes around Eberflus.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
If they lose this game, would not be surprised if
he's fired on Monday, any agreement.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I think that it will be. He will have a
meeting with Ryan Poles, a meeting A second you know
they probably meet every week.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Is that when you like get call to the fifth
floor here and like we need to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
When you and I, what happens the next day? I
come in and I said, you know, the elevator didn't
go past the fourth floor. You just got it. Whenever
the bosses call you upstairs, you're like a dentist, a moler.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, I haven't got the call up there in a while.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, don't root for it. Never they never call you
up and say, hey, we just found some extra money
in the cash drawer.

Speaker 7 (17:39):
Is your contract up or something?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Oh that.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
It never happens when you go upstairs. It's never like, hey,
we just got a we just got a little special
present for you. There's usually slips. Sometimes they're pink pink.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Oh yeah, those are not good.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
Next story is the Colts and Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
You know, he got benched in favor of Joe Flacco
and Shane Stikeen. It makes it sound like Flacco's gonna
be under center again this week.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I don't love it.

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Uh. There is a video of Anthony Richardson we'll talk
about in a minute, but Richardson just talked about what
he needs to do to regain the starting job.

Speaker 8 (18:12):
I'm still fans if I help, you know, having an
obitsility to play, and so if you never know, there
is opportune and it's head or if they called my nay,
calm on, no, I'll be ready. Just working on being
a probe and they just trying to nast to everything.
I kind of with it, dall aspects of just becoming
a pro. You know, this is like my second year,
like almost full second year, you know, doing this. So
he's still running the older hands and I was ane

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to trying to follow them the best.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
That's a good answer. You got to deal with it.
I said this the other day during the election. After
the election, one of my kids was bummed out, and
I said, if you don't think you're gonna be heartbroken crushed,
have bad days and you're not living in a real
life like like like you're gonna get everybody. Every young
quarterback in this league has a lousy Sunday, has a
lousy relationship with a coach. There are no perfectly linear

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Peyton Manning had year four, Peyton Manning number one playoff games.
Yeah no, yeah, I mean he got he had a
bad year four. Peyton Manning.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
Patrick Mahomes hasn't really well.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
No, but he had a Super Bowl where both tackles
got hurt and he got shell one game. Come on,
well that's the game I don't want.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Interestingly, I saw this floating around online today. There's a
video after the Vikings played the Colts. Kevin O'Connell sought
out Anthony Richardson and one of them was miked up
and he was saying all this really positive stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
It's Kevin O'Connell. Everybody likes that guy.

Speaker 7 (19:30):
But Richardson it was basically, keep your head up. You're
gonna be in this league for a long time. You've
got the tools.

Speaker 6 (19:34):
You know.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
It's disappointing that Flacco's starting because we could see Richardson
versus his mirror image, if you will, best case scenario
in Josh Allen, you know, this week and it just
thinks we're getting a statue in the pocket against the Bills.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, Flacco's a pretty good statue. He's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (19:51):
Yeah, he's like our age, Well, my age a close ishue.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
How old is Flacco forty?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
I think he's thirty nine.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
How old are you?

Speaker 5 (19:58):
I'm not gonna reveal that today, but I would love
if Anthony Richardson got some playing time in this game.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
You're like costas, You're gonna be sixty and look thirty eight.
How old are you?

Speaker 4 (20:07):
How do you know I'm not sixty?

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Ooh you see you're not.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
Mature enough to you Oh sick bird, final story yet, jerk.
The Lakers were without ad last night, dropped their fourth
in fifth games.

Speaker 7 (20:20):
College Lebron went off, he had thirty nine, played so great.
Lebron was going totatoe with John Morant.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
By the way, yeah, I'm not gonna go there. So
JJ Reddick had a great moment afterward.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
Right, So he was asked a lot about the team's effort,
which was lacking, and after a long presser of discussing it,
Reddick he got to got fed up with the media.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
JJ.

Speaker 9 (20:39):
You're talking a lot about two out of the three,
two or three guys getting them to put in the effort.
Talked a lot about wanting to play hard and Lebron
being the guy that played hard in tonight's game. How
do you address that with the team. What's your philosophy
for approaching I just.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Did woo shows.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
I'm loving this.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I like it too.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
It's real spicy, giving us content, which is what you like.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I'll say this.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
So D'Angelo Russell was benched six minutes into the third quarter.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
The clip of.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
When he got benched is circulating and it's awful. He
just like didn't communicate with Lebron the switch. Lebron looks
at him like, bro, what the hell are you doing.
Then he comes down on the other end to try
to make up for it, and he's doing all this
shimmy shake stuff, throws up a bad three. It's parsonally blocked,
leads to a runout and another three instant time out.
You can see Reddick is ticked off. Listen, man, He's
not gonna put up.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
With this craft. No Darbnham did, Reddick has not no.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
And this, by the way, this has been d Lo
all these Delo fans. There's a reason Steve Kerr like
couldn't couldn't get him out of the building fast enough.
There's a reason Minnesota moved off him. The bottom line
is Delo he just has these nights where he's not
engaged at all. And I understand it's a long season,
but if you're playing with Lebron, if you're on the
floor with Lebron, it's a close, competitive game. You better

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better be engaged. It's like Brady or Aaron Rodgers. You
better run the right route or they will ghost you
and you will not get another Christian Watson drops a
deep ball. That's the last one you're getting this week.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
That's right. I forgot about the Watson.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And I like Lebron's whole thing is you know, like
Kyle Kuzma, sometimes it would be a little squirrely with
Lebron on the floor. Lebron's got no patience for it,
nor should he. You play every third night.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
D'Angel Russell's making eighteen million dollars this year, eighteen Can
you try to hustle on defense? Dude, that's not asking
that much.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
Make the extra pass, give full effort. I mean, I'm
not gonna lie to you. I don't know that d
Angela Russell would make my men's league team.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I'm not even now. His effort is just unacceptable.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Just watch the video. I'll send it to you, and
look at Lebron's disdain.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
For him on the play.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Everyone Lebron remember this. Remember when Lebron used to play
with Mario Chalmers.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Oh God, she couldn't stand that guy.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So I went to to Miami games and doesn't love Miami.
I love Miami.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
I love Miami.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
So I'd say, let's I talk her into going down
to Miami and we would go to a Heat game.
Forget the stuff you saw on television if you went
to a Miami Heat game during the timeouts when the
TV broadcast isn't on the air. Lebron just chewed Mario
Chalmers like you could just tell I can't take this.
Some players just don't have that like urgency. And then

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you get these guys that are super serious, you know.
And Lebron loved Miami because it was Wade and you
Donna's Haslam, and it was Chalmers, Warri, Shane Battier, Mike Miller, veterans.
Oh Chalmers wore him out, My Mario Thomers.

Speaker 10 (23:25):
And you're Lebron, you no, you You started as Mario Chalmers,
but you have settled into a nice rotation.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
You give me a statue.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Je Mack with the news.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd. Lie.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
All of our guests crushed it today. Greg Olsen, Greg Coseel,
Jordan Schultz had so much good information. Man was I
wrong in the Pittsburgh Steelers. What if the Steelers go
out this weekend, that game is good. Pittsburgh and Washington.
That is a good game. It's not gonna get all
the love of some of the other high profile games.
That is a good game. Jade and Daniels facing the

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best defense he's faced, and Russell Wilson a little bit
of a renaissance last couple of weeks back in a
second live in La, It's the Herd.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
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Speaker 5 (24:23):
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Speaker 4 (24:38):
Cat Friday.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Garrett Wilson talking on a podcast, Jets Receiver, about playing
with the veteran quarterback. We talked about this earlier. Brady
Aaron Rodgers Lebron James have struggled sometimes playing with younger players.
They don't want to be babysitters or mentors. They want
to win games, and Garrett Wilson was honest about it
on a podcast about it's it's hard to play with

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a really heavy veteran quarterback who has no interest teaching
you how to play football.

Speaker 11 (25:11):
The pre snap stuff is the main thing, bro like,
and I'm still working on this. I still misplays in
the game where we could be trying to take advantage
of a look and it's just because, to be honest,
like it's a lot you got the cans, but then
you've got like not really a can him giving you
like a signal, and there's there's one hundred of them.
You kind of think more and it might slow you

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down a little bit sometimes. But like I caught myself
like fall staring and stuff like, there's been some things
that I'm that I had to work through and.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
I appreciate it him been an honest but that that's
the reality of football. Is Garrett's really good, He's been
in the league now a couple of years. But Aaron's
going to be really demanding and a lot of signals
and a lot of quarterbacks don't demand a lot of
their wide receivers. I always hold I was almost told
like Cam Newton, Big band kind of came to the line,
had a couple of signals, but what CAM call the
play at the line was the play at the line,

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big band and we I'm gonna do too much at
the line. A little bit here and there, a couple
of signals, some guys. Then you know Peyton Manning. Peyton
Manning had his guys and it you know, he had
Reggie Wayne, he god take a while, and I think
Aaron Rodgers, and I'll defend Aaron on this. That is
you know, Green Bay was not a perfect fit with
all those young receivers. Great for Jordan Love, not for him.

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So there you go, J Mack me defending Aaron Rodgers.
That's what I do all the time out here. I
think I still contend their game is fascinating in Arizona.
They have four extra days of prep. That matters for
Aaron Rodgers. Four extra days. Now, generally if a good
team like San Francisco's off a bye with a good
offensive coach, I love him. You got an interim coach

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for the Jets, he got second play caller. So you
don't have the advantage, institutional advantage that most teams would have.
With four days off, you don't have a McVeigh or
read a Peyton. So that's why I don't think the
time off it matters to get Aaron right and to
get some of the banged up players healthy. It's nice
to have extra time as you go on the road,
but I don't think they have the coaching advantage that

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the great well coached teams do with four extra days.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, no, that's fair.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
I'm looking at how the Jets have fared against running
quarterbacks this year, and this will basically be their first JA.
They did face Josh Allen, but I don't consider him
run first like Kyler. Murray's really dangerous when he runs.
Josh Allen nine carries eighteen yards, but they've seen him,
they're familiar with him. Murray's just a different species. I
mean that guy, if he wants to scoot on you, he's.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Gonna go for people that haven't watched Arizona play really
fun team to watch.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
If Murray's running, there's random games where he doesn't want
to run.

Speaker 7 (27:42):
Doesn't want to get hit, it's probably dinged up.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
If the Jets can get to him early and be like, dude,
we're not letting you go anywhere. You stay in the pocket,
you don't leave this pocket. I think the Jets have
a big edge.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Also, Arizona is sneaky good at home. Okay, they're just
not scary at home, They're just I mean, now, three
of the four wins have been on like last second
field goals, and they beat a Bear's team that was
allegedly quitting.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
So if anything, I'm looking at the over here. That
Arizona defense is terrible, and I think the jetst's overrated.
So I could see the Jets winning like.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
A thirty four to twenty eight shootout.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Or something, and then Monday we're all excited.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Is that what you could see? The Jets scoring thirty
four on the road? Okay, definitely it out with the
interim coach. Okay, second play caller, okay, thirty four?

Speaker 7 (28:24):
All right, who's calling place for them?

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Now?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, I don't see that happen. Thirty four points. Again,
I think you're falling into what you want to happen
and not necessarily what's going to happen. Thirty four points
in the NFL, Kansas City's not getting there much. They
hadn't needed overtime. Yeah, twenty eight points in the NFL
is a bug lee back league. I mean McVeigh and
Stafford this week and they're getting up twenty six. That's

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a big Sunday