November 8, 2024 • 31 mins
World Series Champion Jack Flaherty joins the show in studio to talk about their heated series against the Padres in the playoffs and how everything changed in their series clinching win over the Yankees
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, how lucky are we? Young man Jack Flaherty grows
up in Los Angeles, goes to school here, gets drafted
first round by the Saint Louis Cardinals, spend like seven
years there, a good organization, and then he ends up
in Detroit and one day you're in your clubhouse, Jack Flaherty,
joining us eight years July thirtieth, GM comes up to
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you and says, uh, you've been traded to the Dodgers.
Was your first reaction? That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No, definitely was not. That's a lot of pressure. It's like, Wow,
I can't believe that this is real. I can't believe
this is happening. I knew I was going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It was. It was pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It was made very evident to me, like, yeah, we're
gonna move you. We don't know where, and then it's
gonna be the Dodgers, And I'm like, how quickly can
I get this text off to my mom before it
breaks because this is going to happen really quick, just
so she didn't see it from elsewhere and be like,
and I just just one word was Dodgers, and uh yeah,
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that was that was That was all my thought.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So and they relied on you that we said. It's
almost remarkable. They won forty different pitchers used in all
three series. I've never seen this a bullpen game in
the World Series, I thought, I said out loud. I
thought the Podrays had you. The Podreys series was different
because that team is all attitude. And when you came here,
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did you realize how intense the Dodger Podre rivalry was.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No, I think you see it. You could see the games.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You see the way that it had gone and the
way that it had gone over the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think it was twenty two when San Diego beat.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Them, but I didn't realize the record difference on the
season until we played them, because I got there for
it was the series they were playing in San Diego.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
They had one more game.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I flew in just to be there with the team
before we took off for Oakland, and you know, they
beat us pretty bad. You know, it was a it
was a rough day and but the atmosphere was awesome.
But then it was just different. I didn't really realize
how intense it was. I had been in rivalries before
with us in the Cubs, being in Saint Louis, but
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that one was, uh yeah, there was a lot of
a lot of back and forth, and it kind of
felt like the second we didn't react to everything that
was going on, and we played our game and we
worried about us, the better position we were in, like
just kind of like one of those things like they
like it felt like they you know, they were trying
to get under our skin. Yes, and you know, personally,
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like I let it happen. And in game two where
I got emotional, and uh, it felt like once we
just worried about us and went about our business and
relaxed a little bit. We were able to relax a
little bit four Game four and uh yeah, we took
care of business.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So Freddie Freeman, you know, these first inning home runs
are insane. As a pitcher, we don't think that offense.
We know, we know, you know, pitching with a lead
probably helps a little, but it felt like those Freeman
home runs kind of changed the pitching, like almost gave
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you guys more confidence. You were more aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Pitching with the lead absolutely is a difference, especially in playoffs,
when you have a lead and you can go out
and attack the other team, and you can go out
and it it opens the door to go get strike
one and just to to go right at guys and
and to be aggressive and not really worry about like,
you know, I gotta I gotta pitch the corners, and
especially if you're on the road now you've got momentum
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going out there, and it's just like how quickly can
I get these guys back to hitting and how could
they can get these.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Guys back up again?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So for me, my job at that point is how quickly,
you know, just let's just get these guys out and
get these guys back in the dug out and let
them keep swinging it, and let's build this lead and
let's end this game early. Because momentum in the playoffs
is a real thing and it is everything, and once
that thing starts to shift, things can happen quickly and
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can go in whatever direction that it wants to go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
One of the things that struck me Jack Flaherty joining us.
If you're listening on radio, Dodger Great came July thirtieth
at the deadline from Detroit and was really crucial in
the playoffs. I'm struck by Otani's the biggest superstar in
the game. Mookie Betts is one of the greatest. I
compare him to Joe Morgan. Probably you wouldn't remember that
as well. Joe Morgan I thought was the best baseball
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player I ever saw, but because he was around Johnny
Bench and Pete Rose, he was overshadowed.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Mookie Bets, similarly, is an insane talent. I don't understand
where he generates that power. And then you have Freddy
Freeman and guys like you, and then Clayton Kershaw's not pitching,
but there's an aura around him, and then Walker Buehler,
and here's Dave Roberts having to manage injuries and resources.
I'm struck by the body language, how positive. I don't
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sense ego. Oh, if Otani wanted to be a jerk.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He could be. Yeah, he could be.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
When you came to the organization. Were you immediately embraced I.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Was, and it was it was, Uh, it was one
of those things.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I had known a couple of a handful of guys
on the team already, so for me coming in, and
I had known Doc a little bit, and we had
we had family friends that knew each other. So I
felt like it wasn't it wasn't a bunch of hey,
nice to meet you's. It was a bunch of hey, man,
good to see you, like like we all knew each other.
It wasn't like, hey, I'm so and so. It wasn't
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you know, hey I'm Will Smith, Hay, I'm Mookie Bets.
It was like, muk, it's good to see you Will,
Like how we doing? How are we going to make
this thing happen? So it was a lot more of
that where I have known or gotten to know some
of these guys a little bit, where they just embraced
They brought me in, embraced me, and I felt like
I just, you know, just seamlessly fit in and was
able to go out, have a good start in Oakland
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and just just go from there. We had a bunch
of injuries, and but it was it was really just
next man up, whoever, whoever was ready to pitch, whoever
was ready to go that day, give it everything you
got and just go out and do it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I thought the Padres actually matched up better than the
Yankees or Mets did against you. I thought they kind
of matched up. But they're a team, as you told
me during the break, they play with a lead, there
are a lot of emotion. They don't play as well
from behind. Going into the World Series, and I just
looked at the batting order and I thought, you know,
once you get past like a Stanton down, I just
thought that your pitching would beat their hitting, whereas you
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guys can put Tommy Edmund batting ninth and it's like
he'll eat you alive. What was the scouting report going
into the World Series? Was there a sense that you
feel like we got the better we got the better
team here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Look, I think that for me, it was just trying
to keep guys off base when it was trying to
you have to get the bottom of the order out
because once you get up, if you've got guys on
base and then you've got you know, Glabor, Soto, Judge
and Stanton coming up, you've got problems. You got a
lot of problems, so you have to you have to
get the bottom of the order out so that you're
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not facing those guys with runners On. And if I
can get to a point where I'm facing you know, Soto,
Judge and Stanton without runners On, we'd be in a
we'd be in a better spot. You know, we trusted
our lineup what they were gonna do. You got the
NLCS MVP hitting ninth for part of it when when
we got it, which is crazy crazy, And but then
that goes to the no ego thing is Tommy has
no ego.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He won the MVP. He was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
NLCS, Hey, by the way, we're gonna hit you ninth,
but then you know against RODND, we're gonna hit you
fifth because you're maybe a little bit better right handed.
But none of those guys had in the ego Mooki show, Hey,
Freddie like they just wanted to do whatever it took
to win, and they did it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And that guy comes down to sacriflies.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You got Mooki celebrating sacriflies, which it's not to say
he wouldn't do that in the regular season, but the
emotion that he would show of like I got the
job done. We got a run because every single run
mattered and what we were able to do so it
was I mean, the whole playoffs was a grind and
our offense like they they showed up and and and
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really they helped us throughout the throughout the World Series.
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
App The I mean You've picked Saint Louis good franchise
been a little lean in recent years. Detroit's had down years.
How I mean, I watched the R and D for
the Dodgers. They don't miss on trades very often. They
bring up minor league guys. They're all good. I mean,
they're they overachieved for a big for a team that
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could spend a lot of money and over spend, they
spend it smartly. They passed on Manny Machado, Zach Greenky.
They don't always just spend the most money. I still
can't figure out how they got Mooky bets and why
boss and let him go. But how is it different?
Do you feel having been with four Let's say you've
been Cards, Orioles, Tigers, Dodgers. This is not the knock
other teams. I always felt the Dodgers were kind of elegant,
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the kind of stately like it does it feel different?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Uh? You feel the you feel the.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You feel the the like like that they're any any
place they go, they're the they're the bigger, better team.
And you know, like Matt Kemp he told me this,
he said, it's just different wearing the Dodger blue. And
it's different having Dodgers across reach. As he said, guys
just come here and you just like the level of
their game just steps up for whatever reason. And maybe
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it's it's the guys you're playing with that make you
feel like, hey, I'm almost the same level as this guy,
Like I get to I get to work, I get
to work with him every day. Or the staff that
they bring around, and how much staff that they have
to give you information or to help you out, and
the way that they they watch you work, go about
your business, the way they watch you throw, the way
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that their their meetings are held. Everything it is. It
is top tier from top to bottom, and you know,
every single part of it goes that way. And I
think it goes a long way where you continue to
see the success throughout the regular season no matter who's
out there. It's not the same team every year. There's
a different piece here and there, and then you know,
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the playoffs just comes down next. Any I mean playoffs,
anything can happen. And I know that they you know,
they they they caught a lot for not winning in
the in the past, but anything can happen in baseball
in the playoffs is every the best team doesn't win
every year. And you know, the Dodgers have been they've
been the best team. And when you go to certain
cities that you when you go to certain cities, teams
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are like, okay, like we we got a real team
coming in now. And and that's that's the feeling that
you get when you play them.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
When the when the Yankees melted down in the fifth,
I mean it was I've never seen anything like You've
never seen it. And they were not a great fielding
team to begin with. You guys are a better field team.
But when you're in that, when you're in that dugout,
because it kind of felt like we're going back to La. Yeah,
We're going back to lah that way, and in that
fifth inning. I'm just I'm going all the Yankees are
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playing tight, which is remarkable because you're the favorite and
you played loose. Yeah, they're there, underdog, and could you
sense they just got tight.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think we could sense it from the feeling in
the in the stands, Like before the intros of Game three,
whatever reason, we were all kind of looking at each
other and just were like, it just it feels like
a nervous energy in the stands and we couldn't quite
pinpoint it, and we were like, let's just go out
and play and like have some fun. We got Walker
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Buler on the mound, one of the best big game
pitchers out there, is like, he's gonna go do it.
Our bullpen is fresh and healthy because you know your
Mota had pitched well the day before and I did
enough in Game one, and it was like, let's just
let's go out win this game and then this end
this series and and make go up three to oh
so we uh yeah, it felt And then Game five,
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I've that ending was crazy. Everything that could have gone
wrong for them did everything, and we still had to
capitalize because that that play with with Rizzo and and
Cole happens and we're like, oh my goodness, like like
thank goodness. But then Freddy gets a hit, Tail gets
a hit, and then and now we're now we're tieball game.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And now it's like okay, now.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You took advantage of the momentum. Yeah, they gave you
an opening and you took advantage such advantage.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
That's the way it goes. Momentum is a Houston. They
I didn't pitch well to start the game. They had
all the momentum. Cole's throwing a no hitter. We get
a couple guys on an air here there, and all
it took was was one hit from Freddy and then
it was then it was game all.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So you're intent on the mound. You look like you are,
and it's funny. Dave Roberts is the nicest guy. It
feels like it is. And you you pitch sometimes angry
you are you are? I mean I mean that you're
like intimidating looking. So when you were coming to day,
I'm like, this guy, he's got an edge. When Roberts
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comes to the mound, do you guys, is it always
like an understanding? Do you ever fight to stay in?
What are those discuss cause you're a very intense guy
out there, and you're not in person, but you are
in the mound when Dave comes out there, has it
ever gotten intense.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Every time he's come out, he he has signaled before
he got out there that he was gonna to bring
in the bullpen. There was only one time where we
had a discussion. And it was my first home start
against the Pirates and I got through five innings and
you know, he comes over to me and I know
he's gonna tell me, Hey, you're done, and I just
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kind of looked at him, My guy, I just was
like no, and he was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I was like, I was like no, Like I'm good.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I felt like that day I could throw one hundred
and fifty pitches and my arm was gonna be fine,
and I had play in the tank and he just
and he was like okay, and he and he and
he walked back and I went out and I you know,
I threw one hundred and ten pitches or or whatever
it was like, and he kind kind of he counts
to get me.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I didn't finish the inning.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And you know, some of the pictures were like we
even like seeing that where we let it. We let
a guy go over one hundred pitches as you're like
second start here, and I was like, I don't know, man,
I felt like I could throw one hundred and fifty pitches today.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And doc To, to his credit, was like.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Okay, like if you if you, you say you got it,
like sure, and he let me go out and I,
you know, pitched well for for that inning, didn't get
out of it, and he came and got me at
the right time. So that was the only time. Otherwise
the discussions on the mound, we haven't had any. It
was uh, it was usually hey, you know, good job,
We're gonna get you, or you know, I didn't pitch well,
and it was like, hey, we're gonna pick you up.
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We're gonna we're gonna go win this game, which is
kind of how Game five was. It was like, hey,
we're gonna pick you up.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We got you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Obviously you knew before you got here how great o'
tawny was. What was the moment when he was a teammate.
It could have been at the cage. It could have
that you went all right, that's different.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh, there was a there was a ball that he
he hit it was against Colorado against uh Kyle Freeland,
and he and he took a pitch that was up
and then left on left and he and it was
a pitch up here, and he hit it out to
left center and he hit it about ten rows deep
in the left center, which you don't do as a
left handed.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Hitter at all. And then we all went and.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Watched exactly where the pitch was and then we saw
its two balls above the zone and he hit it
out and we were like, that's that's not normal. And
they had watched him all year and been with him,
and everybody was still like, Wow, that was that was incredible.
And and show is just you know, he's just he'll
just be like you know.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
He looks like a movie star.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He's he's a he's a stud. He man that that
dude is He's incredible and he will and he's just
he's as cool, colmic, collected as they come. He just
uh yeah, him showing some emotion is is is different,
but it's he's awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
By the way, Arawan is a very bougie. It's very
high end. You've gone total la. You've got your own
smoothie at air one. My daughter's like, she tells me
she owed air one. I'm like, is dad paying for it?
Because I know what it costs to get a smoothie
at Airwan. You've got your own smoothie. Yeah, you're uptown. Yeah,
look at it? Is that yours?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, that's that's the smoothie right.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
There before the Big Game.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, it was right before uh, right before the World Series.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Congratulations, I appreciate it, full blown. Lay What a story
your mom ran the Little League?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I think Sherman Oaks, Yeah, Sherman Oaks, the League.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Your backstory is incredible. You become a Dodger, You're so valuable,
and this was a real pleasure. You are welcome any time.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Know, you're kind of intimidating when you pitch. They told
me you were on the show Tuesday, and I'm like,
I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not going to get
Jack worked up. But you know what you do put
the classic game face on. It is the day you
pitched different.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Upstairs, it's very different. It's very different.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And I come in, I don't talk to anybody, and
I think it's it's a different thing. And guys, are
you know. They got asked like do you like to
talk on Daisy pitch? And I just know and they
start to realize, like that's just that's just how I
gotta be.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's game day.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Great meeting you.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
All right, we'll take a break. J Max is gonna
come back with his picks. Jack Flaherty, what a pleasure
world series, champ La Kid, great story. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
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Speaker 5 (17:21):
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So that was fun. That was really fun for me.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It's nice to sometimes see you kind of fanboy out
with Flaherty. That was that was funny.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, it's you know, I've said before, I think the
I think baseball, and I've done this in my career
where I talk more college football. Now the twelve team playoff,
it doesn't feel as sec dominant. I really believe this
next year I'll talk more baseball than I've talked in
a long time. And the reason being is the star
players are mostly in three really important cities New York, LA,
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and Philly. Those are big brands, whereas the NBA right now,
and I've always been a little bit of an NBA guy,
a lot of your stars are in markets that you know, Milwaukee, Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's why I'm rooting for Jannis to go to New
York with the Knicks, Like that's really a big story.
That is like right now, I don't find the lebron
Lakers that fascinating. I think the JJ Reddick story is
the most interesting part of the team.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean so to me, you and I both do
we root for interesting And I find if if Jiannis
got moved to the Knicks, that's the most interesting team
in the league. Boston's the best, but but they're not
the most interesting. And when you put Bryce, Harper and
Philly in the pressure of Philly lin door in New York,
Aaron Judge, So.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Can we get Trout somewhere, get him out of Anaheim?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, but his his dude, he's hurt a lot. It's
those days are over. He's banged up. Oh yeah, he's
out of though, you say so, Yeah, all right, Uh
you've been Uh we've both been doing pretty pretty good
on the gambling front. So we do it every Friday.
I love this segment. Tomorrows headlines Today, let's start Vikings
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at the Jags on Fox.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, this should be a good game. The Trevor Lawrence
news kind of diminishes. It makes it obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
The headline will.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Be, oh, oh, oh, oh, Connor houto win.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's a class He's been here it for twenty years.
But it's gonna be It looks like Mac Jones aka
McEnroe Jones going up against Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And Brian Flores defense.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Yeah, I think this could get ugly. Now as a subplot,
Doug Peterson, who just I guess he's resigned to the
fact that he's cooked, took a bit of a jab
at Sam Darnald this week.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Hey, how has Sam Donald turned it around?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
He said, justin Jefferson like like that's the only reason.
And again, I don't know that Sam Donald's gonna care
about that, but I have a feeling Kevin O'Connell opens
a can here.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Vikings did not.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Look particularly sharp last week against the Colts, but this
feels like not a total domination. But again, Jacksonville is
just hemorrhaging talent and now no Trevor Lawrence, the left
tackle's gone. I think Flores blitzes, blitzes more, blitzes some more,
and this feels like twenty seven to nine. I think
the Vikings role we agree on that game.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, man. Yeah, tomorrow's headlines today, I know where you're
going Niners Bucks on Fox. I will say I'm gonna
get Baker Mayfield credit. He played his butt off on
Monday Night Football. He played his butt off it's a
bad spot.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
They emptied the tank on on Monday Night football, and
now they're home to rested San Francisco, healthy San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The headline will.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Be everybody, yeah, brock your body, see Max back?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, Backstreet Boys, the staff, back Street Boys. Yes, Yes,
Christian McCaffrey's back, and it's game on. Jennings is back,
deebo is back.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Last year I.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Talked about this coming off of by. San Francisco had
lost three straight. They go to Jacksonville and just tore
them apart thirty four to three. Now you're rested off
of by. Everybody's back. And oh, by the way, Tampa
did you see their defense was on the field for
eighty three plays on Monday night foo, I mean overtime.
They just ran the ball down their throats. That's just
a gas team And I had to look this up.
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The Tampa defense has faced Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Lamar
the last three weeks. They've given up twelve touchdown passes
zero interceptions.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I don't brock.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Perdy's gonna look really good in this one. One of
my bigger plays of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I like San Francisco a lot tomorrow's headlines today. It
may not be a great game, but there could be consequences.
Patriot to the Bears on Fox Now. Chicago loses, We're
gonna have a little bit of a tire fire here.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I'm sending a little negative toward mister Eberflu's fun fun
fact rookie quarterbacks when favored this season eleven and Oh
Caleb is favored here against Drake May. The headline will
be made the force be with you because victory sure isn't.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I got Drake May and the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Going down here. Now there is a weather element. I
was just looking into this in Chicago. Looks like rain
and maybe twenty mile an hour wins at Soldier Field.
That could tinker with the pass game. I would keep
an eye on Dj Moore and his relationship with Caleb.
Caleb's now saying positive things to I think get past it.
But they're gonna need Dj Moore if they want to
make the playoffs. He's very good and he's been quiet
for a few weeks now. I just can't get into
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the Patriots Colin they ranked thirty and most offensive line
stats looks like Montees sweat is back. They missed him
last week. No pressure on Kyler Murray. They gotta get
healthy in the secondary. Doesn't look like they're fully healthy yet.
But Drake May doesn't have any weapons. I think the
Bears bounce back. There's a big number, but Bears are
undefeated at home, three and zero against the spread. I
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think they get the job done and win twenty seven
to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ish Tomorrow's headlines today Falcons at the Saints on Fox Now.
A lot of wise guys like the Saints here. Why
I don't know. I stayed away from it.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
It could be the the interim coach bounced that you
get you fire the head coach. The locker room's all
riled up. There's a rematch from earlier this season. Falcons
won it on a fifty eight yard field goal. The
headline will be Kirk Hard play hard. Cousins goes cuckoo
in Cajun country. Look at those arms on Kirk Cousins. Uh.
I like the Falcons here. I don't care about this
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Saints interim coach nonsense.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, they gave up Latimore, So I mean that the
locker room messages we're done, We're done for the season.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And what is that like? Alvin Kamara is saying all
the right things if you listen to some of his interviews,
but they just don't have the talent. Chris o'lave concussion,
he ain't playing, uh shaheed, he's out for the season.
So now you're just looking around and it's like not
a ton of options Colin for the Saints. They did
outplay the Falcons last time, and by the way, the
Falcons zero offensive touchdowns in that earlier meeting. There was
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like a special team's miss que and a pick six.
I think the Falcons bounce back that offense. May not
have Drake London, which does concern me. He's got the
hip issue. If they do, great wonderful. If the If
not Ray Ray McCloud.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Has to step up. He's been he's been solid.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
But I like Falcons here winning and keeping the good
times rolling well.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
There are very few certainties in the NFL. Last night,
you and I both like Joe Burrow as an underdog.
Joe Burrow is one of the few certainties. He is
now seventeen and three as a three plus underdog. You
and I both like Burrow. The other certainty is Mike
Tomlin as a underdog, So This is an interesting spawn
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Tomorrow's headlines today. I like the Steelers at the Commander's
what save You?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
This is one of the best games on the board.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It is maybe the game of the week.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It's a tough one to handicap. Steeler's coming off a bye.
Everybody loves that extra arrest. Some of the numbers say
it doesn't matter that much. The headline will be I
command a recount, Washington steals victory. I'm going with what
Commanders pulling it out now. Marston Latimore has been ruled out.
They just traded for him, but he's not playing. Listen,
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there's some crazy numbers for Mike Tomlin against rookie quarterbacks.
He's in his career twenty five and six, and you're
going against that. I don't really mind that that much
off of by in his career. Mike Tomlin thirteen and four.
He's won the last four off of bye. Everything lines up,
But if you look at some of the betting percentages,
they're a public underdog. Every all Joe public is betting
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hand over fist, gim me Pittsbard, Tomlin off a bye,
Russell Wilson, and then you start to look at Washington
the market has not caught up with them all season.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Colin I saw this stet.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
This is unfathomable. They've played thirty six quarters of football.
They've scored in thirty four of them. This offense cannot
be stopped eleven for eleven on fourth downs this season.
And how do you beat.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
A great pass rush with TJ. Watt coming off one
edge pression? Heismith.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
You got a running quarterback, Lamar Jackson has run pretty
wild against Pittsburgh. Jaden Daniels one of the best running
quarterbacks in the league right now. I think he'll be
okay against the pressure as long as he's sliding and
not getting injured.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I like Washington here.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think they get it done at home.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think there's a good team.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Man is a really strong.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I took yeah, no, you're you got a couple underdogs.
I went Colts underdog this week. I went Steelers underdog
this week. I almost went den So Denver was the
game I was going to bat. That was my last.
That was my six. Did you have a game that
you would have done here?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think Philadelphia potentially can destroy.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Downall Yeah, they can. I kind of like your Colts pick.
Now that I've given it some time to marinate. I
think that's a good, good wager by you in the
Buffalo injury report. You're right, is massive coming off a
huge game decimated. Yeah, they're down Shaki. It looks like
he may play one other number on Washington versus Pittsburgh.
So you could look into how quarterbacks do against man
versus zone versus man. You're throwing your guys open, you know,
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anticipation throws versus the zone. You know, you guys just
sit down, you hit him. Jaden Daniels picks apart zones.
He's been amazing as a rookie. Steelers play a lot
of zone. I think there's a world McLaurin just gets open.
I don't think Zach Hurtz is very good or the
tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I think it hurts. But Washington just they move the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
With Kingsbury, I think Cliff Kingsbury. If you're if there's
like an offensive Coordinator of the Year award, who's who's
been better than Cliff Kingsbury. Maybe Ben Johnson, But with Kingsbury,
new rookie quarterback, I just think it's been phenomenal. The
offensive line's even showing well in Washington They've been really
good this year. Probably your best summer call since I've
been doing the show with you. Because you had Washington.
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I was like, no way, no I knew.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I was told that Kingsbury loved, loved Jaden Daniels saw
the film, went a mile deep on it and pounded
the table like this kid's going to be great. So
and he had, you know, he had Kyler Murray, he
had Mahomes in college, and so he was like, God,
he's somewhere in the mix here between, you know, he
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didn't have you know, I've said, Jaden to me is
more Lamar, I thought, than Mahomes. But his accuracy from
the pocket is much better than Lamar's first two years. Now,
Lamar has become a very good pocket quarterback. By the way,
it's interesting because Greg Olsen was on our show yesterday
and we were talking about Washington and Kingsbury working with
Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
A sneaky hire that Nady didn't get. The off season,
Buzz was hiring Cliff Kingsbury to be the offensive coordinator,
and when we had Washington a few weeks back, Cliff
was very honest. He said, my first order of business
was not to install the Arizona Cardinals two point zero
offense and continuation of that or necessarily what I didn't
call he goes My day one installed this offseason was
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me sitting down with Jade Daniels and saying, give me
your top schemes, your top protections, your top route concepts
that you loved in college.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, and he did it. Yeah, I was. I was
told Kingsbury went a mile deep on the film and said,
I have seen versions of this. I had Kyler, I
had Patrick, He's he's got a lot of the same
skills he is. I will say this's about Jade Daniels.
I knew he'd move, and I knew he was. He
worked hard, great reputation, Brian Kelly spoke well everybody. I
knew that newim Hed Edwards loved him. What I didn't realize.
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And it's really almost a natural thing. He looks so
comfortable in the pocket. It just it's just one of
those guys. It's just like you. You know, usually young
quarterbacks they get nervous. You know their feet, your your
body follows your feet, your eyes follow your feet. He
just he's back there, feels like cam Ward. I think
he's better than cam Ward. But Cam's got a little
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bit of that, like you almost feel its backyard. He's
totally comfortable. Sometimes cam Ward's mechanics go sideways. Jaden's don't.
But like even that Hail Mary, the way he ran
to the right side, that he runs back to the
left side, I mean that just that's like what a
veteran does. He's just buying guys time. All his receivers
get all the way down the field. There are veteran
quarterbacks that don't do that. Like it was almost like
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he was just manipulating the biggest play of the year.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It wasn't Joe Montana's nick name Joe Cool because he
was so poison in the pop kind of like a
Jaden Daniels. And that Bengals game really sold me on him.
Remember in Cincinnati Monday Night Football, and he.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Just couldn't miss.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
He was just torching, I mean, great deep ball, escaping pressure.
He just doesn't seem rattled.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have a feeling this is good. This weekend, we're
gonna have a lot of really close, intense games. Keep
your eye on Denver, Kansas City, a lot of plays,
a lot of snaps. Short week, heavy favorite. Denver's humiliated.
Watched Denver. We've seen this before. The Raiders beat the
Chiefs last year. We've seen a division rival catch the
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she Eve sleeping. It happens they've won a lot straight.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, how lucky are we? Young man Jack Flaherty grows
up in Los Angeles, goes to school here, gets drafted
first round by the Saint Louis Cardinals, spend like seven
years there, a good organization, and then he ends up
in Detroit and one day you're in your clubhouse, Jack Flaherty,
joining us eight years July thirtieth, GM comes up to
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you and says, uh, you've been traded to the Dodgers.
Was your first reaction? That's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
No, definitely was not. That's a lot of pressure. It's like, Wow,
I can't believe that this is real. I can't believe
this is happening. I knew I was going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It was. It was pretty much.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
It was made very evident to me, like, yeah, we're
gonna move you. We don't know where, and then it's
gonna be the Dodgers, And I'm like, how quickly can
I get this text off to my mom before it
breaks because this is going to happen really quick, just
so she didn't see it from elsewhere and be like,
and I just just one word was Dodgers, and uh yeah,
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that was that was That was all my thought.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So and they relied on you that we said. It's
almost remarkable. They won forty different pitchers used in all
three series. I've never seen this a bullpen game in
the World Series, I thought, I said out loud. I
thought the Podrays had you. The Podreys series was different
because that team is all attitude. And when you came here,
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did you realize how intense the Dodger Podre rivalry was.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No, I think you see it. You could see the games.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
You see the way that it had gone and the
way that it had gone over the last couple of years.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
I think it was twenty two when San Diego beat.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Them, but I didn't realize the record difference on the
season until we played them, because I got there for
it was the series they were playing in San Diego.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
They had one more game.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I flew in just to be there with the team
before we took off for Oakland, and you know, they
beat us pretty bad. You know, it was a it
was a rough day and but the atmosphere was awesome.
But then it was just different. I didn't really realize
how intense it was. I had been in rivalries before
with us in the Cubs, being in Saint Louis, but
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that one was, uh yeah, there was a lot of
a lot of back and forth, and it kind of
felt like the second we didn't react to everything that
was going on, and we played our game and we
worried about us, the better position we were in, like
just kind of like one of those things like they
like it felt like they you know, they were trying
to get under our skin. Yes, and you know, personally,
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like I let it happen. And in game two where
I got emotional, and uh, it felt like once we
just worried about us and went about our business and
relaxed a little bit. We were able to relax a
little bit four Game four and uh yeah, we took
care of business.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So Freddie Freeman, you know, these first inning home runs
are insane. As a pitcher, we don't think that offense.
We know, we know, you know, pitching with a lead
probably helps a little, but it felt like those Freeman
home runs kind of changed the pitching, like almost gave
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you guys more confidence. You were more aggressive.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Pitching with the lead absolutely is a difference, especially in playoffs,
when you have a lead and you can go out
and attack the other team, and you can go out
and it it opens the door to go get strike
one and just to to go right at guys and
and to be aggressive and not really worry about like,
you know, I gotta I gotta pitch the corners, and
especially if you're on the road now you've got momentum
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going out there, and it's just like how quickly can
I get these guys back to hitting and how could
they can get these.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Guys back up again?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So for me, my job at that point is how quickly,
you know, just let's just get these guys out and
get these guys back in the dug out and let
them keep swinging it, and let's build this lead and
let's end this game early. Because momentum in the playoffs
is a real thing and it is everything, and once
that thing starts to shift, things can happen quickly and
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can go in whatever direction that it wants to go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
One of the things that struck me Jack Flaherty joining us.
If you're listening on radio, Dodger Great came July thirtieth
at the deadline from Detroit and was really crucial in
the playoffs. I'm struck by Otani's the biggest superstar in
the game. Mookie Betts is one of the greatest. I
compare him to Joe Morgan. Probably you wouldn't remember that
as well. Joe Morgan I thought was the best baseball
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player I ever saw, but because he was around Johnny
Bench and Pete Rose, he was overshadowed.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Mookie Bets, similarly, is an insane talent. I don't understand
where he generates that power. And then you have Freddy
Freeman and guys like you, and then Clayton Kershaw's not pitching,
but there's an aura around him, and then Walker Buehler,
and here's Dave Roberts having to manage injuries and resources.
I'm struck by the body language, how positive. I don't
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sense ego. Oh, if Otani wanted to be a jerk.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
He could be. Yeah, he could be.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
When you came to the organization. Were you immediately embraced I.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Was, and it was it was, Uh, it was one
of those things.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I had known a couple of a handful of guys
on the team already, so for me coming in, and
I had known Doc a little bit, and we had
we had family friends that knew each other. So I
felt like it wasn't it wasn't a bunch of hey,
nice to meet you's. It was a bunch of hey, man,
good to see you, like like we all knew each other.
It wasn't like, hey, I'm so and so. It wasn't
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you know, hey I'm Will Smith, Hay, I'm Mookie Bets.
It was like, muk, it's good to see you Will,
Like how we doing? How are we going to make
this thing happen? So it was a lot more of
that where I have known or gotten to know some
of these guys a little bit, where they just embraced
They brought me in, embraced me, and I felt like
I just, you know, just seamlessly fit in and was
able to go out, have a good start in Oakland
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and just just go from there. We had a bunch
of injuries, and but it was it was really just
next man up, whoever, whoever was ready to pitch, whoever
was ready to go that day, give it everything you
got and just go out and do it.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I thought the Padres actually matched up better than the
Yankees or Mets did against you. I thought they kind
of matched up. But they're a team, as you told
me during the break, they play with a lead, there
are a lot of emotion. They don't play as well
from behind. Going into the World Series, and I just
looked at the batting order and I thought, you know,
once you get past like a Stanton down, I just
thought that your pitching would beat their hitting, whereas you
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guys can put Tommy Edmund batting ninth and it's like
he'll eat you alive. What was the scouting report going
into the World Series? Was there a sense that you
feel like we got the better we got the better
team here.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Look, I think that for me, it was just trying
to keep guys off base when it was trying to
you have to get the bottom of the order out
because once you get up, if you've got guys on
base and then you've got you know, Glabor, Soto, Judge
and Stanton coming up, you've got problems. You got a
lot of problems, so you have to you have to
get the bottom of the order out so that you're
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not facing those guys with runners On. And if I
can get to a point where I'm facing you know, Soto,
Judge and Stanton without runners On, we'd be in a
we'd be in a better spot. You know, we trusted
our lineup what they were gonna do. You got the
NLCS MVP hitting ninth for part of it when when
we got it, which is crazy crazy, And but then
that goes to the no ego thing is Tommy has
no ego.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
He won the MVP. He was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
NLCS, Hey, by the way, we're gonna hit you ninth,
but then you know against RODND, we're gonna hit you
fifth because you're maybe a little bit better right handed.
But none of those guys had in the ego Mooki show, Hey,
Freddie like they just wanted to do whatever it took
to win, and they did it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And that guy comes down to sacriflies.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You got Mooki celebrating sacriflies, which it's not to say
he wouldn't do that in the regular season, but the
emotion that he would show of like I got the
job done. We got a run because every single run
mattered and what we were able to do so it
was I mean, the whole playoffs was a grind and
our offense like they they showed up and and and
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really they helped us throughout the throughout the World Series.
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Speaker 1 (08:29):
App The I mean You've picked Saint Louis good franchise
been a little lean in recent years. Detroit's had down years.
How I mean, I watched the R and D for
the Dodgers. They don't miss on trades very often. They
bring up minor league guys. They're all good. I mean,
they're they overachieved for a big for a team that
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could spend a lot of money and over spend, they
spend it smartly. They passed on Manny Machado, Zach Greenky.
They don't always just spend the most money. I still
can't figure out how they got Mooky bets and why
boss and let him go. But how is it different?
Do you feel having been with four Let's say you've
been Cards, Orioles, Tigers, Dodgers. This is not the knock
other teams. I always felt the Dodgers were kind of elegant,
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the kind of stately like it does it feel different?
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Uh? You feel the you feel the.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You feel the the like like that they're any any
place they go, they're the they're the bigger, better team.
And you know, like Matt Kemp he told me this,
he said, it's just different wearing the Dodger blue. And
it's different having Dodgers across reach. As he said, guys
just come here and you just like the level of
their game just steps up for whatever reason. And maybe
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it's it's the guys you're playing with that make you
feel like, hey, I'm almost the same level as this guy,
Like I get to I get to work, I get
to work with him every day. Or the staff that
they bring around, and how much staff that they have
to give you information or to help you out, and
the way that they they watch you work, go about
your business, the way they watch you throw, the way
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that their their meetings are held. Everything it is. It
is top tier from top to bottom, and you know,
every single part of it goes that way. And I
think it goes a long way where you continue to
see the success throughout the regular season no matter who's
out there. It's not the same team every year. There's
a different piece here and there, and then you know,
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the playoffs just comes down next. Any I mean playoffs,
anything can happen. And I know that they you know,
they they they caught a lot for not winning in
the in the past, but anything can happen in baseball
in the playoffs is every the best team doesn't win
every year. And you know, the Dodgers have been they've
been the best team. And when you go to certain
cities that you when you go to certain cities, teams
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are like, okay, like we we got a real team
coming in now. And and that's that's the feeling that
you get when you play them.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
When the when the Yankees melted down in the fifth,
I mean it was I've never seen anything like You've
never seen it. And they were not a great fielding
team to begin with. You guys are a better field team.
But when you're in that, when you're in that dugout,
because it kind of felt like we're going back to La. Yeah,
We're going back to lah that way, and in that
fifth inning. I'm just I'm going all the Yankees are
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playing tight, which is remarkable because you're the favorite and
you played loose. Yeah, they're there, underdog, and could you
sense they just got tight.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I think we could sense it from the feeling in
the in the stands, Like before the intros of Game three,
whatever reason, we were all kind of looking at each
other and just were like, it just it feels like
a nervous energy in the stands and we couldn't quite
pinpoint it, and we were like, let's just go out
and play and like have some fun. We got Walker
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Buler on the mound, one of the best big game
pitchers out there, is like, he's gonna go do it.
Our bullpen is fresh and healthy because you know your
Mota had pitched well the day before and I did
enough in Game one, and it was like, let's just
let's go out win this game and then this end
this series and and make go up three to oh
so we uh yeah, it felt And then Game five,
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I've that ending was crazy. Everything that could have gone
wrong for them did everything, and we still had to
capitalize because that that play with with Rizzo and and
Cole happens and we're like, oh my goodness, like like
thank goodness. But then Freddy gets a hit, Tail gets
a hit, and then and now we're now we're tieball game.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
And now it's like okay, now.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You took advantage of the momentum. Yeah, they gave you
an opening and you took advantage such advantage.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
That's the way it goes. Momentum is a Houston. They
I didn't pitch well to start the game. They had
all the momentum. Cole's throwing a no hitter. We get
a couple guys on an air here there, and all
it took was was one hit from Freddy and then
it was then it was game all.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So you're intent on the mound. You look like you are,
and it's funny. Dave Roberts is the nicest guy. It
feels like it is. And you you pitch sometimes angry
you are you are? I mean I mean that you're
like intimidating looking. So when you were coming to day,
I'm like, this guy, he's got an edge. When Roberts
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comes to the mound, do you guys, is it always
like an understanding? Do you ever fight to stay in?
What are those discuss cause you're a very intense guy
out there, and you're not in person, but you are
in the mound when Dave comes out there, has it
ever gotten intense.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
No.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Every time he's come out, he he has signaled before
he got out there that he was gonna to bring
in the bullpen. There was only one time where we
had a discussion. And it was my first home start
against the Pirates and I got through five innings and
you know, he comes over to me and I know
he's gonna tell me, Hey, you're done, and I just
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kind of looked at him, My guy, I just was
like no, and he was like, what do you mean.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I was like, I was like no, Like I'm good.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I felt like that day I could throw one hundred
and fifty pitches and my arm was gonna be fine,
and I had play in the tank and he just
and he was like okay, and he and he and
he walked back and I went out and I you know,
I threw one hundred and ten pitches or or whatever
it was like, and he kind kind of he counts
to get me.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
I didn't finish the inning.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And you know, some of the pictures were like we
even like seeing that where we let it. We let
a guy go over one hundred pitches as you're like
second start here, and I was like, I don't know, man,
I felt like I could throw one hundred and fifty pitches today.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
And doc To, to his credit, was like.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Okay, like if you if you, you say you got it,
like sure, and he let me go out and I,
you know, pitched well for for that inning, didn't get
out of it, and he came and got me at
the right time. So that was the only time. Otherwise
the discussions on the mound, we haven't had any. It
was uh, it was usually hey, you know, good job,
We're gonna get you, or you know, I didn't pitch well,
and it was like, hey, we're gonna pick you up.
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We're gonna we're gonna go win this game, which is
kind of how Game five was. It was like, hey,
we're gonna pick you up.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We got you.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Obviously you knew before you got here how great o'
tawny was. What was the moment when he was a teammate.
It could have been at the cage. It could have
that you went all right, that's different.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh, there was a there was a ball that he
he hit it was against Colorado against uh Kyle Freeland,
and he and he took a pitch that was up
and then left on left and he and it was
a pitch up here, and he hit it out to
left center and he hit it about ten rows deep
in the left center, which you don't do as a
left handed.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Hitter at all. And then we all went and.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Watched exactly where the pitch was and then we saw
its two balls above the zone and he hit it
out and we were like, that's that's not normal. And
they had watched him all year and been with him,
and everybody was still like, Wow, that was that was incredible.
And and show is just you know, he's just he'll
just be like you know.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
He looks like a movie star.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah he is.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
He's he's a he's a stud. He man that that
dude is He's incredible and he will and he's just
he's as cool, colmic, collected as they come. He just
uh yeah, him showing some emotion is is is different,
but it's he's awesome.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
By the way, Arawan is a very bougie. It's very
high end. You've gone total la. You've got your own
smoothie at air one. My daughter's like, she tells me
she owed air one. I'm like, is dad paying for it?
Because I know what it costs to get a smoothie
at Airwan. You've got your own smoothie. Yeah, you're uptown. Yeah,
look at it? Is that yours?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah, that's that's the smoothie right.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
There before the Big Game.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, it was right before uh, right before the World Series.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Congratulations, I appreciate it, full blown. Lay What a story
your mom ran the Little League?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I think Sherman Oaks, Yeah, Sherman Oaks, the League.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Your backstory is incredible. You become a Dodger, You're so valuable,
and this was a real pleasure. You are welcome any time.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Know, you're kind of intimidating when you pitch. They told
me you were on the show Tuesday, and I'm like,
I'm not gonna say anything. I'm not going to get
Jack worked up. But you know what you do put
the classic game face on. It is the day you
pitched different.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Upstairs, it's very different. It's very different.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And I come in, I don't talk to anybody, and
I think it's it's a different thing. And guys, are
you know. They got asked like do you like to
talk on Daisy pitch? And I just know and they
start to realize, like that's just that's just how I
gotta be.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
It's game day.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Great meeting you.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
All right, we'll take a break. J Max is gonna
come back with his picks. Jack Flaherty, what a pleasure
world series, champ La Kid, great story. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
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Speaker 5 (17:21):
Special contest this week for Giants Panthers in Munich. What
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Go to the Fox Sports app to make your picks.
One of the questions is which player will have the
most receiving yards Colin Maleek, Neighbors, Jan Dale Robbinson, Jalen
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Speaker 1 (17:43):
These are the choices this weekend.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
This is what Wake it up early.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You gotta.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
That's a that's a layup, buddies.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Come on, Neighbors Hobbies. Yes, he's gonna co oh obviously.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Yeah, well you think it's gonna be Jalen Coker, who's
on my fantasy Benks.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, I don't know. It's just like I have Kings. No.
I goten counting on Daniel Jones to deliver, all right.
So that was fun. That was really fun for me.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It's nice to sometimes see you kind of fanboy out
with Flaherty. That was that was funny.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, it's you know, I've said before, I think the
I think baseball, and I've done this in my career
where I talk more college football. Now the twelve team playoff,
it doesn't feel as sec dominant. I really believe this
next year I'll talk more baseball than I've talked in
a long time. And the reason being is the star
players are mostly in three really important cities New York, LA,
(18:35):
and Philly. Those are big brands, whereas the NBA right now,
and I've always been a little bit of an NBA guy,
a lot of your stars are in markets that you know, Milwaukee, Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's why I'm rooting for Jannis to go to New
York with the Knicks, Like that's really a big story.
That is like right now, I don't find the lebron
Lakers that fascinating. I think the JJ Reddick story is
the most interesting part of the team.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
That's fair.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I mean so to me, you and I both do
we root for interesting And I find if if Jiannis
got moved to the Knicks, that's the most interesting team
in the league. Boston's the best, but but they're not
the most interesting. And when you put Bryce, Harper and
Philly in the pressure of Philly lin door in New York,
Aaron Judge, So.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Can we get Trout somewhere, get him out of Anaheim?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, but his his dude, he's hurt a lot. It's
those days are over. He's banged up. Oh yeah, he's
out of though, you say so, Yeah, all right, Uh
you've been Uh we've both been doing pretty pretty good
on the gambling front. So we do it every Friday.
I love this segment. Tomorrows headlines Today, let's start Vikings
(19:43):
at the Jags on Fox.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, this should be a good game. The Trevor Lawrence
news kind of diminishes. It makes it obvious.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
The headline will.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Be, oh, oh, oh, oh, Connor houto win.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's a class He's been here it for twenty years.
But it's gonna be It looks like Mac Jones aka
McEnroe Jones going up against Sam Donald.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And Brian Flores defense.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Yeah, I think this could get ugly. Now as a subplot,
Doug Peterson, who just I guess he's resigned to the
fact that he's cooked, took a bit of a jab
at Sam Darnald this week.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Hey, how has Sam Donald turned it around?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
He said, justin Jefferson like like that's the only reason.
And again, I don't know that Sam Donald's gonna care
about that, but I have a feeling Kevin O'Connell opens
a can here.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Vikings did not.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Look particularly sharp last week against the Colts, but this
feels like not a total domination. But again, Jacksonville is
just hemorrhaging talent and now no Trevor Lawrence, the left
tackle's gone. I think Flores blitzes, blitzes more, blitzes some more,
and this feels like twenty seven to nine. I think
the Vikings role we agree on that game.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, man. Yeah, tomorrow's headlines today, I know where you're
going Niners Bucks on Fox. I will say I'm gonna
get Baker Mayfield credit. He played his butt off on
Monday Night Football. He played his butt off it's a
bad spot.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
They emptied the tank on on Monday Night football, and
now they're home to rested San Francisco, healthy San Francisco.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
The headline will.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Be everybody, yeah, brock your body, see Max back?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
All right?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, Backstreet Boys, the staff, back Street Boys. Yes, Yes,
Christian McCaffrey's back, and it's game on. Jennings is back,
deebo is back.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Last year I.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Talked about this coming off of by. San Francisco had
lost three straight. They go to Jacksonville and just tore
them apart thirty four to three. Now you're rested off
of by. Everybody's back. And oh, by the way, Tampa
did you see their defense was on the field for
eighty three plays on Monday night foo, I mean overtime.
They just ran the ball down their throats. That's just
a gas team And I had to look this up.
(21:52):
The Tampa defense has faced Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Lamar
the last three weeks. They've given up twelve touchdown passes
zero interceptions.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I don't brock.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Perdy's gonna look really good in this one. One of
my bigger plays of the season.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I like San Francisco a lot tomorrow's headlines today. It
may not be a great game, but there could be consequences.
Patriot to the Bears on Fox Now. Chicago loses, We're
gonna have a little bit of a tire fire here.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
I'm sending a little negative toward mister Eberflu's fun fun
fact rookie quarterbacks when favored this season eleven and Oh
Caleb is favored here against Drake May. The headline will
be made the force be with you because victory sure isn't.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I got Drake May and the Patriots.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Going down here. Now there is a weather element. I
was just looking into this in Chicago. Looks like rain
and maybe twenty mile an hour wins at Soldier Field.
That could tinker with the pass game. I would keep
an eye on Dj Moore and his relationship with Caleb.
Caleb's now saying positive things to I think get past it.
But they're gonna need Dj Moore if they want to
make the playoffs. He's very good and he's been quiet
for a few weeks now. I just can't get into
(22:58):
the Patriots Colin they ranked thirty and most offensive line
stats looks like Montees sweat is back. They missed him
last week. No pressure on Kyler Murray. They gotta get
healthy in the secondary. Doesn't look like they're fully healthy yet.
But Drake May doesn't have any weapons. I think the
Bears bounce back. There's a big number, but Bears are
undefeated at home, three and zero against the spread. I
(23:18):
think they get the job done and win twenty seven
to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Ish Tomorrow's headlines today Falcons at the Saints on Fox Now.
A lot of wise guys like the Saints here. Why
I don't know. I stayed away from it.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
It could be the the interim coach bounced that you
get you fire the head coach. The locker room's all
riled up. There's a rematch from earlier this season. Falcons
won it on a fifty eight yard field goal. The
headline will be Kirk Hard play hard. Cousins goes cuckoo
in Cajun country. Look at those arms on Kirk Cousins. Uh.
I like the Falcons here. I don't care about this
(23:53):
Saints interim coach nonsense.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Well, they gave up Latimore, So I mean that the
locker room messages we're done, We're done for the season.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And what is that like? Alvin Kamara is saying all
the right things if you listen to some of his interviews,
but they just don't have the talent. Chris o'lave concussion,
he ain't playing, uh shaheed, he's out for the season.
So now you're just looking around and it's like not
a ton of options Colin for the Saints. They did
outplay the Falcons last time, and by the way, the
Falcons zero offensive touchdowns in that earlier meeting. There was
(24:21):
like a special team's miss que and a pick six.
I think the Falcons bounce back that offense. May not
have Drake London, which does concern me. He's got the
hip issue. If they do, great wonderful. If the If
not Ray Ray McCloud.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Has to step up. He's been he's been solid.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
But I like Falcons here winning and keeping the good
times rolling well.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
There are very few certainties in the NFL. Last night,
you and I both like Joe Burrow as an underdog.
Joe Burrow is one of the few certainties. He is
now seventeen and three as a three plus underdog. You
and I both like Burrow. The other certainty is Mike
Tomlin as a underdog, So This is an interesting spawn
(25:00):
Tomorrow's headlines today. I like the Steelers at the Commander's
what save You?
Speaker 5 (25:08):
This is one of the best games on the board.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
It is maybe the game of the week.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
It's a tough one to handicap. Steeler's coming off a bye.
Everybody loves that extra arrest. Some of the numbers say
it doesn't matter that much. The headline will be I
command a recount, Washington steals victory. I'm going with what
Commanders pulling it out now. Marston Latimore has been ruled out.
They just traded for him, but he's not playing. Listen,
(25:32):
there's some crazy numbers for Mike Tomlin against rookie quarterbacks.
He's in his career twenty five and six, and you're
going against that. I don't really mind that that much
off of by in his career. Mike Tomlin thirteen and four.
He's won the last four off of bye. Everything lines up,
But if you look at some of the betting percentages,
they're a public underdog. Every all Joe public is betting
(25:53):
hand over fist, gim me Pittsbard, Tomlin off a bye,
Russell Wilson, and then you start to look at Washington
the market has not caught up with them all season.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Colin I saw this stet.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
This is unfathomable. They've played thirty six quarters of football.
They've scored in thirty four of them. This offense cannot
be stopped eleven for eleven on fourth downs this season.
And how do you beat.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
A great pass rush with TJ. Watt coming off one
edge pression? Heismith.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
You got a running quarterback, Lamar Jackson has run pretty
wild against Pittsburgh. Jaden Daniels one of the best running
quarterbacks in the league right now. I think he'll be
okay against the pressure as long as he's sliding and
not getting injured.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I like Washington here.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
I think they get it done at home.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think there's a good team.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Man is a really strong.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I took yeah, no, you're you got a couple underdogs.
I went Colts underdog this week. I went Steelers underdog
this week. I almost went den So Denver was the
game I was going to bat. That was my last.
That was my six. Did you have a game that
you would have done here?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I think Philadelphia potentially can destroy.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Downall Yeah, they can. I kind of like your Colts pick.
Now that I've given it some time to marinate. I
think that's a good, good wager by you in the
Buffalo injury report. You're right, is massive coming off a
huge game decimated. Yeah, they're down Shaki. It looks like
he may play one other number on Washington versus Pittsburgh.
So you could look into how quarterbacks do against man
versus zone versus man. You're throwing your guys open, you know,
(27:17):
anticipation throws versus the zone. You know, you guys just
sit down, you hit him. Jaden Daniels picks apart zones.
He's been amazing as a rookie. Steelers play a lot
of zone. I think there's a world McLaurin just gets open.
I don't think Zach Hurtz is very good or the
tight end.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I think it hurts. But Washington just they move the ball.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
With Kingsbury, I think Cliff Kingsbury. If you're if there's
like an offensive Coordinator of the Year award, who's who's
been better than Cliff Kingsbury. Maybe Ben Johnson, But with Kingsbury,
new rookie quarterback, I just think it's been phenomenal. The
offensive line's even showing well in Washington They've been really
good this year. Probably your best summer call since I've
been doing the show with you. Because you had Washington.
(27:56):
I was like, no way, no I knew.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I was told that Kingsbury loved, loved Jaden Daniels saw
the film, went a mile deep on it and pounded
the table like this kid's going to be great. So
and he had, you know, he had Kyler Murray, he
had Mahomes in college, and so he was like, God,
he's somewhere in the mix here between, you know, he
(28:19):
didn't have you know, I've said, Jaden to me is
more Lamar, I thought, than Mahomes. But his accuracy from
the pocket is much better than Lamar's first two years. Now,
Lamar has become a very good pocket quarterback. By the way,
it's interesting because Greg Olsen was on our show yesterday
and we were talking about Washington and Kingsbury working with
Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
A sneaky hire that Nady didn't get. The off season,
Buzz was hiring Cliff Kingsbury to be the offensive coordinator,
and when we had Washington a few weeks back, Cliff
was very honest. He said, my first order of business
was not to install the Arizona Cardinals two point zero
offense and continuation of that or necessarily what I didn't
call he goes My day one installed this offseason was
(29:03):
me sitting down with Jade Daniels and saying, give me
your top schemes, your top protections, your top route concepts
that you loved in college.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, and he did it. Yeah, I was. I was
told Kingsbury went a mile deep on the film and said,
I have seen versions of this. I had Kyler, I
had Patrick, He's he's got a lot of the same
skills he is. I will say this's about Jade Daniels.
I knew he'd move, and I knew he was. He
worked hard, great reputation, Brian Kelly spoke well everybody. I
knew that newim Hed Edwards loved him. What I didn't realize.
(29:35):
And it's really almost a natural thing. He looks so
comfortable in the pocket. It just it's just one of
those guys. It's just like you. You know, usually young
quarterbacks they get nervous. You know their feet, your your
body follows your feet, your eyes follow your feet. He
just he's back there, feels like cam Ward. I think
he's better than cam Ward. But Cam's got a little
(29:55):
bit of that, like you almost feel its backyard. He's
totally comfortable. Sometimes cam Ward's mechanics go sideways. Jaden's don't.
But like even that Hail Mary, the way he ran
to the right side, that he runs back to the
left side, I mean that just that's like what a
veteran does. He's just buying guys time. All his receivers
get all the way down the field. There are veteran
quarterbacks that don't do that. Like it was almost like
(30:16):
he was just manipulating the biggest play of the year.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
It wasn't Joe Montana's nick name Joe Cool because he
was so poison in the pop kind of like a
Jaden Daniels. And that Bengals game really sold me on him.
Remember in Cincinnati Monday Night Football, and he.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Just couldn't miss.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
He was just torching, I mean, great deep ball, escaping pressure.
He just doesn't seem rattled.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have a feeling this is good. This weekend, we're
gonna have a lot of really close, intense games. Keep
your eye on Denver, Kansas City, a lot of plays,
a lot of snaps. Short week, heavy favorite. Denver's humiliated.
Watched Denver. We've seen this before. The Raiders beat the
Chiefs last year. We've seen a division rival catch the
(30:59):
she Eve sleeping. It happens they've won a lot straight.
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