July 25, 2024 • 29 mins
Colin talks to Super Bowl champion James Jones in studio about Jordan Love and expectations for the Packers
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
James Jones decad in the League Super Bowl. Champ led
the Packers his last year in touchdowns, receiving yards, even
on the way out of town.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You were delivering playing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, it's funny. We were talking about this during
the break. Uh. The advantage to having an old team experience.
You don't have to install anything. It's these guys know
how to win situationally, they're usually great, and you don't.
You know these guys on third down, fourth down, goal line.
The downside is guys start looking at that clock and
start going want to make sure I get one more deal.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
San Francisco. Yeah, there's a lot of noises off season.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Now go to your oldest Packer team. You look at
the world a little differently.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You do, because I remember when we were real young. Greg.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Jenny's not up for no contract. Myself not up for
no contract. Jordan Nelson, not up for no contract. Michael Finley,
we all just.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Sitting here like, man, we just got drafted, were playing football.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We care about none of this. Yeah, are we supposed
to be winning? Should we be winning?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We're just out here playing. So, you know, it's just
a different type energy. As you get up there in years,
you're like, okay, man, that that Super Bowl clock ticking too,
You know what I mean, Hey, I gotta keep my
body fresh.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't want to practice as much as I used
to practicing on you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Had a lot of yea more in your They discarage you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
A lot of stuff goes on when you got a
veteran football team. On top of I'm only gonna play one, two,
three more years, maybe I need to try to make
as much money as I possibly can. So now money
starts to become first over this super Bowls and winning.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's kittle Trent Christian. This is an old team. By
the way, Fred Warner's got a lot bosa So I
think the downside to San Francisco and I said, I
love their roster. Yeah, but this is what happens to
old teams and especially old teams that don't have a
trophy yet. Yeah, that adds a little dimension to Okay,
(02:22):
we're not sure we're getting a trophy yet. I'm at
least getting out of this sport with the money, yep.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And that's why this is a difficult situation, not only
for the Niners but for Trent.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't have no more guaranteed money after this year.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I want to make sure I'm good financially guaranteed money.
Injuries or anything happens, and the Niners don't even sniff
or get back to a super Bowl without Trent Williams on.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That offensive ques.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So, Brandon Ayuk, I understand you're holding out and all that,
but Brandon, I you should be calling Trent Williams right
now saying you couldn't have did this after I got
my money, because now this pushes me back because I
can't get Brandon Ayuk money, and then now I'm trying
to figure out scratching call how to give Trent money.
Trent has to get his money first, because we're not
the football team that we want to be or can
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be without without.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
True they're winning percentage drops all sipitously when Trent doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And it's crazy because a lot of people think, like
the San Francisco forty nine ers offensive line is good, No.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Trent is good. Well, Trent is great.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So when it overcomes a lot of that stuff, but
they don't have a dominant offensive line, you have a
really young quarterback who depends on Trent. That's why when
he's not in there, it's a lot more pressure. It's
hard to get the ball out of your hands. It's difficult,
so big seven to one. He has to be out there,
figure out the money, figure out the guarantee, and then
hopefully they can work something out with Auk.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I said this, when you work at a big company
and you have a big position, it could be you know,
it could be excellent, it could be a meta, it
could be Apple. If you have a big position and
make a small mistake, I mean, the president could make
a small mistake, a president gets beat up. If you
work for a small company, the Tampa Bay Rays or
(04:03):
the Jaguars, you can make a huge mistake. Nobody cares.
So I made this argument that the two biggest brands
in the NFL currently are the Cowboys and the Packers,
and Mike's the only guy in the league that's coached both.
So when he has a bad fourth down call, man,
he gets killed for it every time. So go look
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at Mike McCarthy. You could say he's never won the
big Game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh yeah he did, Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Has eleven playoff wins, that's what Parcels has. He has
a top ten offense, top five offense ten times, a
number one offense four times. FARV was old and grumpy
and ad libbing one with him. Aaron was gifted but
at the end got prickly won with him and Dak's good,
(04:50):
not special, and he led the NFL offense. So my
take is with McCarthy. Had he coached the Jaguars and
the Texans and had the same record, we could center
him a magician, a wizard.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
To a statue in front of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But the Packers we watch their games. The Cowboys, we
watch their games. So when you butcher a fourth down call, which,
by the way, this was the knock on Andy Reid
forever we didn't love a situational football, then he got
Mahomes and nobody cared. So I said, if you look
at the records, our staff put this together. If you
take out Brady and Mahomes and anybody who coached them,
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this and now McCarthy's playoff records is eleven and eleven.
It is in line with the all time greats except
Belichick and Andy because they have the do best quarterbacks ever.
And my argument is Mike is a bit of a
victim of making small mistakes with huge brands.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I mean that is spot on, man, because I'm out
here every single day fighting for my life for coach
Mike McCarthy. When I hear people say certain coaches is
better than coach Mike McCarthy, I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And these are the numbers right here that show it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Mike the best coach ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
All these dudes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Got streets and statues and all that named after him,
and Tomlin will have one too. But it's just crazy
that I don't like the disrespect that coach might gets.
You come into an organization with the Green Bay Packers,
who were terrible when you got the job. I want
to say four and twelve when you got the job,
whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You come in here with Brett Favv.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You go your first season average, you go to the
NFC Championship and you're thirteen and three. Then you go
on to win a bunch of games, go to the
Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl, back to NFC Championship
games fifteen and one seasons. Then you go to the
Dallas Cowboys and in three years you go twelve twelve, twelve,
something that has never.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Been done with Cooper four and one with.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Cooper Rush in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. And
I understand, man, listen, whoever comes to the Dallas Cowboys,
they have this target on their back because you ain't
been to the Inner Championship in thirty years. Well, coach
Mike only been there three years, and he's had you
with an opportunity in the playoffs to have a chance
to compete. He ain't been there thirty years. He can't
erase that thirty years. But in three years he has
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twelve twelve twelve back to back to back in the
postseason division titles. And we sit here and talk about
Mike like he's not a good coach for certain situational calls.
It's crazy to me, It really is crazy to me.
They need to put more respect on coach Mike.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It really is remarkable. If you're watching on television. We
put up all these coaches and just take out Andy
and Ville. Don Shula was considered the best coach in
his era and had Dan Marino, which this record nineteen
and seventeen. So it shall take a deal.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's the thing too, though, Like you need a
really good quarterback to win at a high level in
this league, you do, especially if you're talking about Super Bowls.
We talk about Andy Reid as one of the greatest
coaches ever now because he's in Super Bowls, but he
has arguably one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. When he
was with the Philadelphia Eagles, he had really good quarterbacks,
and Donovan mcnah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Worked at another network. I spent years defending Andy Reid
in Philadelphia. I'm like, this is the most clever coach
in the league. Yep, I got nothing but pushback. I'm like,
he's getting them to the NFC Championship with b minus quarterback.
You understand that it doesn't work that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Way in the league.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And then he gets a really good quarterback and he dominates.
Take you over to Hump to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know a lot about Green Bay. And so I
was talking to somebody that covers the Packers the other
day and I said, for three years, we had more
video on Bigfoot than Jordan Love. And then his first
five games he was kind of awful, and he had
an eight game.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He last year.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Why, well, what do you think? What's that? I mean, like,
if a wide receiver came into the league and had
the drops, Cooper Cupp's first year had drops, and you
could say, but we all knew he was getting open
a lot. He was a great route runner. Young receivers
can struggle, but you can go that's gonna work, no doubt.
Five weeks in, I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
We were all scratching our heads.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I didn't think it was gonna work. Your sources, your
friends close to Jordan Love, what what's flipped?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, so the main thing was it was peanut butter jelly.
It was real, real playing first five weeks, right, Let's
kept saying that, Yeah, let's try to get this loose, Yeah,
let's try to get this young fella, you know, I
mean acclimated to the game. The speed of the game.
Let's condense this plan, you know what I mean. And
that wasn't helping him, because when you condense a plan
and you have a defense that's throwing all this stuff
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at you, a condensed plan on the offensive side is
not gonna help.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Your first read is not gonna be there. So now
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Coach of Floor opened the playbook for Jordan Love. Okay, man,
you've been around under airon for a couple of years now,
You've been in my system for a couple of years. Now,
why am I dumbing this thing down? You know the
plays like the back of your hand. You've been in Hey, yeah,
you haven't had a lot of game experience, but you
have ran these plays.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he opened the plan up. And once he opened
the plan up, then Jordan Love started to take off.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And when Jordan Love started to take off, Jordan Love
started to get more comfortable. And then Jordan Love started
to play outside the ex'es and o's.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And that's kind of I contend he's more far Of
than Arran, no doubt he's He's Aaron was very precise,
Jordan's not always precise. Farv wasn't Olways precise, by the
way Maholmes early years wasn't precise. A lot of these
guys are paint my numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Brandy was a lot of that. That's okay, But a
lot of these guys, it's like it would be like
telling Kobe Bryant there's four plays you can run. You're
taking an artist and saying you gotta say no spilling paint.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Can't do that, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I mean, like Brandy Moss. Sometimes I'm like, fella, get open.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, can't do that.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Or with Randy Moss, hey, I am open, even if
it's three people, throw throw it up over there and
I'll make you right. And I think that's what Jordan
Love did, especially that eight game span.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He let Coachell, Florida know, no matter what play you.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Call, I got it and I'm gonna play outside the
x's and o's. When you watch Jordan Love play, it's
so many plays that you could touch on and you
could be watching him play and you could say, oh
my goodness, this dude is gonna be like that. And
I think that playing outside the exes and o's, once
he got comfortable and started to take off, that's what
you've seen and you started to see a young superstar merge.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Jordan Love is gonna be a really good football player.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
But early in the season it was really really playing,
and you cannot do that. I understand you trying to
slow it down, but I don't know if people understand.
When you're in training camp and you're putting an install
one right for offense, it's like six seven plays really
playing right. The defense already got cover two, cover three,
cover four, all that in right. So as an offense,
(11:57):
we're coming out there. We like the first always, the
first couple of days of training camp, the offense looks
terrible because we are really playing and you guys have
a lot of stuff in already. Once we start catching
up old wee and install five, now uh huh, we
got these bunch formations and these motions and all that,
and y'all got to talk and communicate and do all that.
Then we start hav an extra day. So you know,
(12:18):
with Jordan Love, it started out really playing. Once coachal
Force said okay, eventually we got to see if this
dude could really do it, if he could really play,
if we gonna really give him this money. The playbook
is yours. This is what we're running. This is the
scheme for this week. Let's go and the young fellas
took off.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So you've been in a lot of camps with Aaron Rodgers,
older quarterbacks, far Rogers. It's different in camp. Let's be
honest out at this point, nobody really wants to practice.
I mean, it gets tedious. Where do you think Aaron's
at kind of in his mind. Not to be a
mind reader, but second year off an injury, hasn't played
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for a while, getting older, tedious with camp, got some
new teammates, new old line.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Is he in a good I love this? Aaron, I
love this. Aaron I had a chance to talk to him,
and he locked in. Now he's locked in. I mean
all the doubters, everybody's saying, he love that. Everybody's saying
he can't play no more. You know, he ain't been
to this Super Bowls. He should have accomplished this, should
have done that, fold plays in the Jets uniform. Just
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talking to him, man, you can tell that he is
all the way locked in, that he has something to prove,
a chip on his shoulder. And whenever I seen or
talked to this Aaron Rodgers, buckle up. Buckle up. It's
gonna be a year. I mean, my man wants to practice.
Talking to him, he still loves the game. Every time
I'm talking to him, he talking ball, he talking football,
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he talking playing. He talking about his guys at the Jets.
How good the receivers is, especially Wilson, And he's just
super excited. And I'm like, you ready to go. He
ready to go prove some people wrong. And I like
this type Aaron Man.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, Penn State rookie left tackle. If that dude can play,
they're good at tackle. Man, It's good for the game.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
This is We talk about this all the time because
when you're walking into training camp, obviously as a competitor,
everybody thinks we win into Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
No, uh uh.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
It's only a select few teams that can walk into
this building and report and say what up everybody, and
look around in that locker room and look left to
right and say, oh yeah, we got a chance. And
the Jets is one of those teams. It's only about
eight to ten teams that really possibly has a chance
to really host an that Lombardi Trophy and get into
that game.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
The Jets are one of them teams.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You look around that locker room, on the defensive side
of the ball, on the offensive side of the ball,
the additions that they made. I think this team stays healthy,
they're gonna be really good.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I always say there's eight max and three close. So
here's my Super Bowl bubble. My feeling is there's eight
teams that can win it, and then there's three that
need things to go their way. And the three teams
I think are close but need things to go their
way are Houston, Cincinnati, Burrows, Health, and the Jets. I
think the Jets oul line. They got a bunch of
new faces.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You think Houston my stuff to go right?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I boy, they're young. So my teams that I think
should be favored, I think the AFC is better at
the top.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The Rams inside that song.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh, I think he thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I do too. You have the Rams inside that cirt.
Now I would put.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
The Rams on the bubble, but I will put the
Texans in there. I don't know how you stop the Texans.
I really don't. You got Tankdale, who is gonna be
a baller. You already got a number one receiver in Diggs.
You have a number one b in Nico Collins. You
have a really good tight end, and then you bring
Joe Mixon who could run and catch the ball out
of the backfield on top of what you did on
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the defensive side of the ball. To be honest with
everybody saying, can CJ take the next step? If CJ's
just the same, if he's just the same with this
roster and what they have on offense and defense, they
might be Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They might beat Baltimore in that game. If he's just
the same.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And we're not saying he's just gonna be the same,
He's gonna get better. I really don't know how people
stop Houston consistently. I'm not saying they going undefeated, but
I don't know how you stopped them.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Boys.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
They got too much over there. So I would put
them in there. Take the rams out of there. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It was my packers on there.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, well you know you are
smart look oh yeah, oh yeah. We should be in
the circle. We should be where the Niners are though,
like right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So we like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
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Speaker 1 (17:41):
James Jones stop by today, Bruce Feldman, Matt Moseley at
Cowboy Camp. Matt Moseley had him at ten wins j
Mack ten or nine wins. That CD Lamb has total leverage,
total leverage. I mean T Higgins can want a contract,
Brandon I you can want a contract, but they're fine
without them. One are the Cowboys without CD Lamb. They
have no deep threat. Brandon Cooks is a three, they're
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tight ends a two worst running back. I mean, it's
see the Lamb. You should never get into this position
as a football team. You have a guy that's got
a year left in his contract. That's why guys, that's
why teams are signing quarterbacks years early. In edge rushers.
Cowboys are trapped.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Well, he's also getting fined right if he doesn't show up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got news for you. Take the fines when you're
one in four and and it blows the season up
This is not Brandon Ayuk McCaffrey Kittle debo. They draft
two receivers. Go look at the Cowboys draft. They didn't
draft a receiver until the sixth That's a huge mistake.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Erry screwed this up again.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No, I' wait this long. No you they they didn't
attack the draft. They didn't draft a running back or
a receiver with a top pick, and they need both desperately.
It's like New England a couple of years ago drafted
three guards and two kickers. It's like if you looked
at your running back and wide receiver room. So England
gets trapped right now, Dallas is trapped. Sign Ceede Lamb
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or the season's toast. Look at the I mean outside
of the two Giant games, and I think it's a
Saints game, maybe a Carolina game. They could lose. They
could lose thirteen games. The schedule is tough.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
They're favored in like thirteen games. They're all losing thirteen.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well, I'm saying, if you take Cedee Lamb out, you
can win one way, seventeen to fourteen. You're not scoring.
And Dak's history when he throws over forty, he wins
about thirty five percent of his games. So I'm telling
you there is no team in the league offensively that
is more beholden to a singular non quarterback than Dallas.
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To Cede Lamb, they are trapped to trapped. I mean,
I like amor On Saint Brown a lot, but if
he said I'm not playing, they got Williams, good back,
tall ball lane, Jared Goff, good o c You start
looking at this game, No, ced Lamb, You're not going
to Cleveland and winning. You're not beating Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
I don't even think they're beating Cleveland with CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It Dallas is really in a bad spot. With CD Lamb,
he can get whatever he wants within reason. J Mack
with the.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
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Speaker 8 (20:16):
Well, another guy waiting to get paid is Tua tongue
O Bailoa. He's at training camp and did some drills yesterday,
but he did not participate in workouts today. And Mike
McDaniel addressed how the team is working through the disaster.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
I think it's important to acknowledge that to us in
the midst of a contract negotiation, that's important to him
and the football team. That being said, we communicate uh,
very well, and I'm it's very fluid. We're taking it
day by day. Today I expect it to be kind
of like OTAs and and we'll move on from there.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
That's where that would be like, you know, my contract's
up next to you.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
That'd be like me holding out and you having to
face everything, face the audience to be like, yeah, Jay
Max going through a contract thing.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I'm supporting him, I know, but yeah, that would be tough.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
For a lot of noise.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I'm not noisy, but you know, showed me the money.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean, a couple guys yesterday were talking about T
Higgins said, I just came back because I wanted to
stop the noise. T Higgins I thought was smart. Like
a lot of this stuff is the noisiest teams you
go about the last seven eight years, the noisiest teams
don't win. It does matter because if you could be
a noisy baseball team. But baseball's are regional sport. College
footballs are regional sport. The national news isn't talking usually
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about your baseball, hockey, college football team. The NFL is
a national sport. So a holdout is on my show
Stephen A. Smith, PTI, it's on all the shows. So
it's a national sport. So a holdout in any other
sport is like the regional local guys will beat upport
San Francisco. This IU thing's been a national story for
two months.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
I mean, listen to what will impact gambling. Fantasy football.
Football fans in this country have a lot writing on
these guys actually playing.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Now, if they're all holding out and not.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Playing, it's not great, right, I mean you can't Miami
is they're trashed without Tua, Like they're not.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
They're like a five win team.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Next up, let's go to the Niners, who were on
the doorstep of the Super Bowl last season, fell just
short in that overtime loss to the Chiefs. Now the
team's gearing up for twenty twenty four. Brock Perty says
they're hungry to finally get that Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
W we've all just been there, dude, Like we've tasted it. Obviously,
the Super Bowl it's a couple of plays away from
literally being Super Bowl champions the year before that NFC championship,
the year before the NFC. So like, we have guys
in this locker room that taste it and they want it.
I did the same thing I walked in, Where are
these guys are going to you know, like seem or
feel and you can feel it. Man, they're hungry for
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it and we're ready to do it for this organization.
And then the fan base.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
Did you dig into that literature I dropped in your
dressing room yesterday? Did you look at Tonight's the night
I saw a stat.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
In there about the forty nine ers having like one
of the worst rest advantages in recent NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, that's right. Down Jets have that as well. The
downside having a star quarterback, you're playing on short weeks
on TV a lot of prime time. So San Francisco,
the Jets in Kansas City have very punitive schedules. And
by the way, I would say for San Francisco they're
an older team, so older teams tend to need more
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rest some guys. The thing about the NFL is there
they really they It's just a well run business. Once
you get really, really good, you get expensive, so it
makes your rosters thinner. And once you get really good,
they put you in uncomfortable TV position so you get
less rest. So the star quarterbacks, you think, oh, once
(23:50):
you get the star quarterback, go look at the Jets schedule,
short rest, travel, television inconvenience. Peyton Manny did those television
games because he's a creature of habit.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins loves like the one PM. The Dow's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
A lot of guys are creatures that have Hayton Manning
and Kirk Cousins hate this inconvenience of long halftimes in
short weeks. So my takeaway is San Francisco, Jets and
Kansas City, those schedules are tougher than you think.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Final story is Jordan Love reported to training camp, but
still he's also waiting for a new deal.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
He's taking part in.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Meetings but will not participate in practice until the deal
is done. GM Brian Guta Kuntz knows the urgency of
the situation. He said, it's important to get Love out
there as soon as they can be to get him
ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This one almost.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Feels like it hurts more than the Dolphins because it
was so much momentum last year for the Packers second
half of the season and in the playoffs, and now
you're like.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I mean, you got him in your Super Bowl bubble
and now you've got this. What's going on with Jordan Love.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
What do you get nervous if we're like, if this
isn't done by the end of next week, are you like.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Damn, we got a problem.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, because I think, first of all, he's very connected
to his young teammates. He's also on and in the facility,
so he's watching film. He's just not practicing. He doesn't
want to get hurt. I don't worry about it. This
isn't like an old quarterback like when Aaron Rodgers if
he held out, you got a bunch of new teammates,
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a new old line. So Green Bay is the youngest
team in the league. The old line, the offense is
just a bunch of kids, and he's a kid. So
I think he's sort of you know, and he played
very well with him last year and that'll carry over.
I don't worry about it. There's no disconnect, and the
older quarterbacks sometimes are less willing to, you know, connect
with young people. I guarantee he's texting and hanging out
(25:51):
at night film rooms with all these young guys. I
don't worry about Green Bay, okay. I mean, it's a really,
really cohesive young It's just my only concern is you know,
young players and young quarterbacks with their young receivers need timing.
So I want the reps. But I, you know, and
I never really worry about Green Bay offensively. They just
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kind of know what they're doing. When's the last time
think about this? They never draft offensive lineman in the
first round. Name the last bad Packer on line, I'm serious,
named Aaron's last year and it was getting long in
the tooth and they it was the third rated offensive line.
Just it is. It's one of those things. There's two
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things in the NFL that are crazy. The Steelers draft
wide receivers better than anybody in my life. I don't
know who's drafted receivers for Pittsburgh. They do it better
than any They miss rarely. And Green Bay never has
a bad O line and they never draft them in
the first round. They find these tackles in the second, third,
fourth round, interior linemen. It's so I just they just
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and they you know, they always have offensive coach home
Grun McCarthy, Lafleur. I just don't worry about their offense.
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
Herd Line.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
News Hold on the Packers did. Oh they did draft?
What did they draft this year? Oh, you're right, they
got the Arizona tackle. You're right, my bad, good call
on that. Packers finally went with an offensive lineman, Jordan
Morgan from Arizona. Good player. No Ah, kid that plays
for Arizona. Good, good player. So they broke their tradition.
(27:36):
They went first round and good catch guys in the back.
By the way, Jerry Jones talking today. So he gets
in that little mini van that win at Baygoing. He
drives out here. I'm sure he doesn't fly or anything. Hebroody, drives,
stays at a motel six on the way somewhere in
El Paso. Here's Jerry Jones today on cd as hold out.
(28:02):
I'm aware of it, you but you must give me
that that I'm aware that we want to get these
guys to camp, business as usual. As far as I'm concerned,
I'm used to this. I can live with this, and
I feel confident if you look at the fundamentals here,
whdn't get back to the shot we were old that
(28:25):
will be in better shape. So that's January, Okay, this
is July. No, I don't get bent out of shape.
Over the fact that somebody else not here or here
kind of all. Yeah, it feels different this time, though,
am I overstating it? Look at their DUP chart offensively,
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like they just don't have you in the NFL. Don't
you have to get some easy touchdowns. Don't you have
to get a few easy touchdowns, stuff over the top.
You got to have yards after the catch. I mean
that's what the Niners have with like Debo and my
cat free or what the Bengals had when they had
Joe Mixon, Higgins, Jamar Chase. You can't diagram plays perfectly.
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You need some running backs that break tackles.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Well, they got that tight end Jake Ferguson, who's pretty
darn good.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Good.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
PFF has him as the tenth best tight end last year.
Good blocker Rico Daldell at running back. Does he excite you?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He does get you do.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Most of these teams that that end, that playoff teams,
they have game breakers, playmakers. You can't diagram perfectly. You
need special players. They have won whole roster offensively. One
don't like it. CD's got the leverage. Lean in young man,
(29:42):
you rarely get it. We'll see you tomorrow. Live in La.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
James Jones decad in the League Super Bowl. Champ led
the Packers his last year in touchdowns, receiving yards, even
on the way out of town.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
You were delivering playing.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, it's funny. We were talking about this during
the break. Uh. The advantage to having an old team experience.
You don't have to install anything. It's these guys know
how to win situationally, they're usually great, and you don't.
You know these guys on third down, fourth down, goal line.
The downside is guys start looking at that clock and
start going want to make sure I get one more deal.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
San Francisco. Yeah, there's a lot of noises off season.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Now go to your oldest Packer team. You look at
the world a little differently.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
You do, because I remember when we were real young. Greg.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Jenny's not up for no contract. Myself not up for
no contract. Jordan Nelson, not up for no contract. Michael Finley,
we all just.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Sitting here like, man, we just got drafted, were playing football.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We care about none of this. Yeah, are we supposed
to be winning? Should we be winning?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We don't know.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We're just out here playing. So, you know, it's just
a different type energy. As you get up there in years,
you're like, okay, man, that that Super Bowl clock ticking too,
You know what I mean, Hey, I gotta keep my
body fresh.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
I don't want to practice as much as I used
to practicing on you.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Had a lot of yea more in your They discarage you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
A lot of stuff goes on when you got a
veteran football team. On top of I'm only gonna play one, two,
three more years, maybe I need to try to make
as much money as I possibly can. So now money
starts to become first over this super Bowls and winning.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's kittle Trent Christian. This is an old team. By
the way, Fred Warner's got a lot bosa So I
think the downside to San Francisco and I said, I
love their roster. Yeah, but this is what happens to
old teams and especially old teams that don't have a
trophy yet. Yeah, that adds a little dimension to Okay,
(02:22):
we're not sure we're getting a trophy yet. I'm at
least getting out of this sport with the money, yep.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
And that's why this is a difficult situation, not only
for the Niners but for Trent.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't have no more guaranteed money after this year.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
I want to make sure I'm good financially guaranteed money.
Injuries or anything happens, and the Niners don't even sniff
or get back to a super Bowl without Trent Williams on.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That offensive ques.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
So, Brandon Ayuk, I understand you're holding out and all that,
but Brandon, I you should be calling Trent Williams right
now saying you couldn't have did this after I got
my money, because now this pushes me back because I
can't get Brandon Ayuk money, and then now I'm trying
to figure out scratching call how to give Trent money.
Trent has to get his money first, because we're not
the football team that we want to be or can
(03:05):
be without without.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
True they're winning percentage drops all sipitously when Trent doesn't play.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And it's crazy because a lot of people think, like
the San Francisco forty nine ers offensive line is good, No.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Trent is good. Well, Trent is great.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So when it overcomes a lot of that stuff, but
they don't have a dominant offensive line, you have a
really young quarterback who depends on Trent. That's why when
he's not in there, it's a lot more pressure. It's
hard to get the ball out of your hands. It's difficult,
so big seven to one. He has to be out there,
figure out the money, figure out the guarantee, and then
hopefully they can work something out with Auk.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I said this, when you work at a big company
and you have a big position, it could be you know,
it could be excellent, it could be a meta, it
could be Apple. If you have a big position and
make a small mistake, I mean, the president could make
a small mistake, a president gets beat up. If you
work for a small company, the Tampa Bay Rays or
(04:03):
the Jaguars, you can make a huge mistake. Nobody cares.
So I made this argument that the two biggest brands
in the NFL currently are the Cowboys and the Packers,
and Mike's the only guy in the league that's coached both.
So when he has a bad fourth down call, man,
he gets killed for it every time. So go look
(04:25):
at Mike McCarthy. You could say he's never won the
big Game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Oh yeah he did, Yes, he did.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Has eleven playoff wins, that's what Parcels has. He has
a top ten offense, top five offense ten times, a
number one offense four times. FARV was old and grumpy
and ad libbing one with him. Aaron was gifted but
at the end got prickly won with him and Dak's good,
(04:50):
not special, and he led the NFL offense. So my
take is with McCarthy. Had he coached the Jaguars and
the Texans and had the same record, we could center
him a magician, a wizard.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
To a statue in front of the stadium.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
But the Packers we watch their games. The Cowboys, we
watch their games. So when you butcher a fourth down call, which,
by the way, this was the knock on Andy Reid
forever we didn't love a situational football, then he got
Mahomes and nobody cared. So I said, if you look
at the records, our staff put this together. If you
take out Brady and Mahomes and anybody who coached them,
(05:29):
this and now McCarthy's playoff records is eleven and eleven.
It is in line with the all time greats except
Belichick and Andy because they have the do best quarterbacks ever.
And my argument is Mike is a bit of a
victim of making small mistakes with huge brands.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
I mean that is spot on, man, because I'm out
here every single day fighting for my life for coach
Mike McCarthy. When I hear people say certain coaches is
better than coach Mike McCarthy, I'm like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And these are the numbers right here that show it.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Mike the best coach ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
All these dudes.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Got streets and statues and all that named after him,
and Tomlin will have one too. But it's just crazy
that I don't like the disrespect that coach might gets.
You come into an organization with the Green Bay Packers,
who were terrible when you got the job. I want
to say four and twelve when you got the job,
whatever it may be.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You come in here with Brett Favv.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
You go your first season average, you go to the
NFC Championship and you're thirteen and three. Then you go
on to win a bunch of games, go to the
Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl, back to NFC Championship
games fifteen and one seasons. Then you go to the
Dallas Cowboys and in three years you go twelve twelve, twelve,
something that has never.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Been done with Cooper four and one with.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
Cooper Rush in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. And
I understand, man, listen, whoever comes to the Dallas Cowboys,
they have this target on their back because you ain't
been to the Inner Championship in thirty years. Well, coach
Mike only been there three years, and he's had you
with an opportunity in the playoffs to have a chance
to compete. He ain't been there thirty years. He can't
erase that thirty years. But in three years he has
(07:13):
twelve twelve twelve back to back to back in the
postseason division titles. And we sit here and talk about
Mike like he's not a good coach for certain situational calls.
It's crazy to me, It really is crazy to me.
They need to put more respect on coach Mike.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It really is remarkable. If you're watching on television. We
put up all these coaches and just take out Andy
and Ville. Don Shula was considered the best coach in
his era and had Dan Marino, which this record nineteen
and seventeen. So it shall take a deal.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's the thing too, though, Like you need a
really good quarterback to win at a high level in
this league, you do, especially if you're talking about Super Bowls.
We talk about Andy Reid as one of the greatest
coaches ever now because he's in Super Bowls, but he
has arguably one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. When he
was with the Philadelphia Eagles, he had really good quarterbacks,
and Donovan mcnah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Worked at another network. I spent years defending Andy Reid
in Philadelphia. I'm like, this is the most clever coach
in the league. Yep, I got nothing but pushback. I'm like,
he's getting them to the NFC Championship with b minus quarterback.
You understand that it doesn't work that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Way in the league.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And then he gets a really good quarterback and he dominates.
Take you over to Hump to the Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know a lot about Green Bay. And so I
was talking to somebody that covers the Packers the other
day and I said, for three years, we had more
video on Bigfoot than Jordan Love. And then his first
five games he was kind of awful, and he had
an eight game.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He last year.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Why, well, what do you think? What's that? I mean, like,
if a wide receiver came into the league and had
the drops, Cooper Cupp's first year had drops, and you
could say, but we all knew he was getting open
a lot. He was a great route runner. Young receivers
can struggle, but you can go that's gonna work, no doubt.
Five weeks in, I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
We were all scratching our heads.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I didn't think it was gonna work. Your sources, your
friends close to Jordan Love, what what's flipped?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Well, so the main thing was it was peanut butter jelly.
It was real, real playing first five weeks, right, Let's
kept saying that, Yeah, let's try to get this loose, Yeah,
let's try to get this young fella, you know, I
mean acclimated to the game. The speed of the game.
Let's condense this plan, you know what I mean. And
that wasn't helping him, because when you condense a plan
and you have a defense that's throwing all this stuff
(09:53):
at you, a condensed plan on the offensive side is
not gonna help.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Your first read is not gonna be there. So now
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Coach of Floor opened the playbook for Jordan Love. Okay, man,
you've been around under airon for a couple of years now,
You've been in my system for a couple of years. Now,
why am I dumbing this thing down? You know the
plays like the back of your hand. You've been in Hey, yeah,
you haven't had a lot of game experience, but you
have ran these plays.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And he opened the plan up. And once he opened
the plan up, then Jordan Love started to take off.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
And when Jordan Love started to take off, Jordan Love
started to get more comfortable. And then Jordan Love started
to play outside the ex'es and o's.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
And that's kind of I contend he's more far Of
than Arran, no doubt he's He's Aaron was very precise,
Jordan's not always precise. Farv wasn't Olways precise, by the
way Maholmes early years wasn't precise. A lot of these
guys are paint my numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Brandy was a lot of that. That's okay, But a
lot of these guys, it's like it would be like
telling Kobe Bryant there's four plays you can run. You're
taking an artist and saying you gotta say no spilling paint.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Can't do that, you know.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I mean, like Brandy Moss. Sometimes I'm like, fella, get open.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, can't do that.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Or with Randy Moss, hey, I am open, even if
it's three people, throw throw it up over there and
I'll make you right. And I think that's what Jordan
Love did, especially that eight game span.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He let Coachell, Florida know, no matter what play you.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Call, I got it and I'm gonna play outside the
x's and o's. When you watch Jordan Love play, it's
so many plays that you could touch on and you
could be watching him play and you could say, oh
my goodness, this dude is gonna be like that. And
I think that playing outside the exes and o's, once
he got comfortable and started to take off, that's what
you've seen and you started to see a young superstar merge.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Jordan Love is gonna be a really good football player.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
But early in the season it was really really playing,
and you cannot do that. I understand you trying to
slow it down, but I don't know if people understand.
When you're in training camp and you're putting an install
one right for offense, it's like six seven plays really
playing right. The defense already got cover two, cover three,
cover four, all that in right. So as an offense,
(11:57):
we're coming out there. We like the first always, the
first couple of days of training camp, the offense looks
terrible because we are really playing and you guys have
a lot of stuff in already. Once we start catching
up old wee and install five, now uh huh, we
got these bunch formations and these motions and all that,
and y'all got to talk and communicate and do all that.
Then we start hav an extra day. So you know,
(12:18):
with Jordan Love, it started out really playing. Once coachal
Force said okay, eventually we got to see if this
dude could really do it, if he could really play,
if we gonna really give him this money. The playbook
is yours. This is what we're running. This is the
scheme for this week. Let's go and the young fellas
took off.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So you've been in a lot of camps with Aaron Rodgers,
older quarterbacks, far Rogers. It's different in camp. Let's be
honest out at this point, nobody really wants to practice.
I mean, it gets tedious. Where do you think Aaron's
at kind of in his mind. Not to be a
mind reader, but second year off an injury, hasn't played
(12:55):
for a while, getting older, tedious with camp, got some
new teammates, new old line.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Is he in a good I love this? Aaron, I
love this. Aaron I had a chance to talk to him,
and he locked in. Now he's locked in. I mean
all the doubters, everybody's saying, he love that. Everybody's saying
he can't play no more. You know, he ain't been
to this Super Bowls. He should have accomplished this, should
have done that, fold plays in the Jets uniform. Just
(13:21):
talking to him, man, you can tell that he is
all the way locked in, that he has something to prove,
a chip on his shoulder. And whenever I seen or
talked to this Aaron Rodgers, buckle up. Buckle up. It's
gonna be a year. I mean, my man wants to practice.
Talking to him, he still loves the game. Every time
I'm talking to him, he talking ball, he talking football,
(13:43):
he talking playing. He talking about his guys at the Jets.
How good the receivers is, especially Wilson, And he's just
super excited. And I'm like, you ready to go. He
ready to go prove some people wrong. And I like
this type Aaron Man.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, Penn State rookie left tackle. If that dude can play,
they're good at tackle. Man, It's good for the game.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
This is We talk about this all the time because
when you're walking into training camp, obviously as a competitor,
everybody thinks we win into Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
No, uh uh.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
It's only a select few teams that can walk into
this building and report and say what up everybody, and
look around in that locker room and look left to
right and say, oh yeah, we got a chance. And
the Jets is one of those teams. It's only about
eight to ten teams that really possibly has a chance
to really host an that Lombardi Trophy and get into
that game.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
The Jets are one of them teams.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You look around that locker room, on the defensive side
of the ball, on the offensive side of the ball,
the additions that they made. I think this team stays healthy,
they're gonna be really good.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I always say there's eight max and three close. So
here's my Super Bowl bubble. My feeling is there's eight
teams that can win it, and then there's three that
need things to go their way. And the three teams
I think are close but need things to go their
way are Houston, Cincinnati, Burrows, Health, and the Jets. I
think the Jets oul line. They got a bunch of
new faces.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You think Houston my stuff to go right?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I boy, they're young. So my teams that I think
should be favored, I think the AFC is better at
the top.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The Rams inside that song.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Oh, I think he thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I do too. You have the Rams inside that cirt.
Now I would put.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
The Rams on the bubble, but I will put the
Texans in there. I don't know how you stop the Texans.
I really don't. You got Tankdale, who is gonna be
a baller. You already got a number one receiver in Diggs.
You have a number one b in Nico Collins. You
have a really good tight end, and then you bring
Joe Mixon who could run and catch the ball out
of the backfield on top of what you did on
(15:43):
the defensive side of the ball. To be honest with
everybody saying, can CJ take the next step? If CJ's
just the same, if he's just the same with this
roster and what they have on offense and defense, they
might be Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
They might beat Baltimore in that game. If he's just
the same.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
And we're not saying he's just gonna be the same,
He's gonna get better. I really don't know how people
stop Houston consistently. I'm not saying they going undefeated, but
I don't know how you stopped them.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Boys.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
They got too much over there. So I would put
them in there. Take the rams out of there. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It was my packers on there.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Oh yeah, okay, all right, well you know you are
smart look oh yeah, oh yeah. We should be in
the circle. We should be where the Niners are though,
like right in the middle.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So we like.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
James Jones as always. Great stuff. Back in a second,
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Speaker 1 (17:41):
James Jones stop by today, Bruce Feldman, Matt Moseley at
Cowboy Camp. Matt Moseley had him at ten wins j
Mack ten or nine wins. That CD Lamb has total leverage,
total leverage. I mean T Higgins can want a contract,
Brandon I you can want a contract, but they're fine
without them. One are the Cowboys without CD Lamb. They
have no deep threat. Brandon Cooks is a three, they're
(18:04):
tight ends a two worst running back. I mean, it's
see the Lamb. You should never get into this position
as a football team. You have a guy that's got
a year left in his contract. That's why guys, that's
why teams are signing quarterbacks years early. In edge rushers.
Cowboys are trapped.
Speaker 7 (18:21):
Well, he's also getting fined right if he doesn't show up.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I got news for you. Take the fines when you're
one in four and and it blows the season up
This is not Brandon Ayuk McCaffrey Kittle debo. They draft
two receivers. Go look at the Cowboys draft. They didn't
draft a receiver until the sixth That's a huge mistake.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Erry screwed this up again.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No, I' wait this long. No you they they didn't
attack the draft. They didn't draft a running back or
a receiver with a top pick, and they need both desperately.
It's like New England a couple of years ago drafted
three guards and two kickers. It's like if you looked
at your running back and wide receiver room. So England
gets trapped right now, Dallas is trapped. Sign Ceede Lamb
(19:04):
or the season's toast. Look at the I mean outside
of the two Giant games, and I think it's a
Saints game, maybe a Carolina game. They could lose. They
could lose thirteen games. The schedule is tough.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
They're favored in like thirteen games. They're all losing thirteen.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well, I'm saying, if you take Cedee Lamb out, you
can win one way, seventeen to fourteen. You're not scoring.
And Dak's history when he throws over forty, he wins
about thirty five percent of his games. So I'm telling
you there is no team in the league offensively that
is more beholden to a singular non quarterback than Dallas.
(19:41):
To Cede Lamb, they are trapped to trapped. I mean,
I like amor On Saint Brown a lot, but if
he said I'm not playing, they got Williams, good back,
tall ball lane, Jared Goff, good o c You start
looking at this game, No, ced Lamb, You're not going
to Cleveland and winning. You're not beating Baltimore.
Speaker 7 (19:59):
I don't even think they're beating Cleveland with CD Lamb.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It Dallas is really in a bad spot. With CD Lamb,
he can get whatever he wants within reason. J Mack
with the.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
News, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Well, another guy waiting to get paid is Tua tongue
O Bailoa. He's at training camp and did some drills yesterday,
but he did not participate in workouts today. And Mike
McDaniel addressed how the team is working through the disaster.
Speaker 9 (20:31):
I think it's important to acknowledge that to us in
the midst of a contract negotiation, that's important to him
and the football team. That being said, we communicate uh,
very well, and I'm it's very fluid. We're taking it
day by day. Today I expect it to be kind
of like OTAs and and we'll move on from there.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
That's where that would be like, you know, my contract's
up next to you.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
That'd be like me holding out and you having to
face everything, face the audience to be like, yeah, Jay
Max going through a contract thing.
Speaker 7 (21:08):
I'm supporting him, I know, but yeah, that would be tough.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
For a lot of noise.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I'm not noisy, but you know, showed me the money.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I mean, a couple guys yesterday were talking about T
Higgins said, I just came back because I wanted to
stop the noise. T Higgins I thought was smart. Like
a lot of this stuff is the noisiest teams you
go about the last seven eight years, the noisiest teams
don't win. It does matter because if you could be
a noisy baseball team. But baseball's are regional sport. College
footballs are regional sport. The national news isn't talking usually
(21:37):
about your baseball, hockey, college football team. The NFL is
a national sport. So a holdout is on my show
Stephen A. Smith, PTI, it's on all the shows. So
it's a national sport. So a holdout in any other
sport is like the regional local guys will beat upport
San Francisco. This IU thing's been a national story for
two months.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
I mean, listen to what will impact gambling. Fantasy football.
Football fans in this country have a lot writing on
these guys actually playing.
Speaker 7 (22:06):
Now, if they're all holding out and not.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
Playing, it's not great, right, I mean you can't Miami
is they're trashed without Tua, Like they're not.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
They're like a five win team.
Speaker 10 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Next up, let's go to the Niners, who were on
the doorstep of the Super Bowl last season, fell just
short in that overtime loss to the Chiefs. Now the
team's gearing up for twenty twenty four. Brock Perty says
they're hungry to finally get that Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
W we've all just been there, dude, Like we've tasted it. Obviously,
the Super Bowl it's a couple of plays away from
literally being Super Bowl champions the year before that NFC championship,
the year before the NFC. So like, we have guys
in this locker room that taste it and they want it.
I did the same thing I walked in, Where are
these guys are going to you know, like seem or
feel and you can feel it. Man, they're hungry for
(22:50):
it and we're ready to do it for this organization.
And then the fan base.
Speaker 7 (22:56):
Did you dig into that literature I dropped in your
dressing room yesterday? Did you look at Tonight's the night
I saw a stat.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
In there about the forty nine ers having like one
of the worst rest advantages in recent NFL.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Well, that's right. Down Jets have that as well. The
downside having a star quarterback, you're playing on short weeks
on TV a lot of prime time. So San Francisco,
the Jets in Kansas City have very punitive schedules. And
by the way, I would say for San Francisco they're
an older team, so older teams tend to need more
(23:29):
rest some guys. The thing about the NFL is there
they really they It's just a well run business. Once
you get really, really good, you get expensive, so it
makes your rosters thinner. And once you get really good,
they put you in uncomfortable TV position so you get
less rest. So the star quarterbacks, you think, oh, once
(23:50):
you get the star quarterback, go look at the Jets schedule,
short rest, travel, television inconvenience. Peyton Manny did those television
games because he's a creature of habit.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins loves like the one PM. The Dow's amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
A lot of guys are creatures that have Hayton Manning
and Kirk Cousins hate this inconvenience of long halftimes in
short weeks. So my takeaway is San Francisco, Jets and
Kansas City, those schedules are tougher than you think.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Final story is Jordan Love reported to training camp, but
still he's also waiting for a new deal.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
He's taking part in.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Meetings but will not participate in practice until the deal
is done. GM Brian Guta Kuntz knows the urgency of
the situation. He said, it's important to get Love out
there as soon as they can be to get him
ready for the season.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
This one almost.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Feels like it hurts more than the Dolphins because it
was so much momentum last year for the Packers second
half of the season and in the playoffs, and now
you're like.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I mean, you got him in your Super Bowl bubble
and now you've got this. What's going on with Jordan Love.
Speaker 8 (24:59):
What do you get nervous if we're like, if this
isn't done by the end of next week, are you like.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Damn, we got a problem.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
No, because I think, first of all, he's very connected
to his young teammates. He's also on and in the facility,
so he's watching film. He's just not practicing. He doesn't
want to get hurt. I don't worry about it. This
isn't like an old quarterback like when Aaron Rodgers if
he held out, you got a bunch of new teammates,
(25:28):
a new old line. So Green Bay is the youngest
team in the league. The old line, the offense is
just a bunch of kids, and he's a kid. So
I think he's sort of you know, and he played
very well with him last year and that'll carry over.
I don't worry about it. There's no disconnect, and the
older quarterbacks sometimes are less willing to, you know, connect
with young people. I guarantee he's texting and hanging out
(25:51):
at night film rooms with all these young guys. I
don't worry about Green Bay, okay. I mean, it's a really,
really cohesive young It's just my only concern is you know,
young players and young quarterbacks with their young receivers need timing.
So I want the reps. But I, you know, and
I never really worry about Green Bay offensively. They just
(26:13):
kind of know what they're doing. When's the last time
think about this? They never draft offensive lineman in the
first round. Name the last bad Packer on line, I'm serious,
named Aaron's last year and it was getting long in
the tooth and they it was the third rated offensive line.
Just it is. It's one of those things. There's two
(26:33):
things in the NFL that are crazy. The Steelers draft
wide receivers better than anybody in my life. I don't
know who's drafted receivers for Pittsburgh. They do it better
than any They miss rarely. And Green Bay never has
a bad O line and they never draft them in
the first round. They find these tackles in the second, third,
fourth round, interior linemen. It's so I just they just
(26:57):
and they you know, they always have offensive coach home
Grun McCarthy, Lafleur. I just don't worry about their offense.
Jmack with the News.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The
Herd Line.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
News Hold on the Packers did. Oh they did draft?
What did they draft this year? Oh, you're right, they
got the Arizona tackle. You're right, my bad, good call
on that. Packers finally went with an offensive lineman, Jordan
Morgan from Arizona. Good player. No Ah, kid that plays
for Arizona. Good, good player. So they broke their tradition.
(27:36):
They went first round and good catch guys in the back.
By the way, Jerry Jones talking today. So he gets
in that little mini van that win at Baygoing. He
drives out here. I'm sure he doesn't fly or anything. Hebroody, drives,
stays at a motel six on the way somewhere in
El Paso. Here's Jerry Jones today on cd as hold out.
(28:02):
I'm aware of it, you but you must give me
that that I'm aware that we want to get these
guys to camp, business as usual. As far as I'm concerned,
I'm used to this. I can live with this, and
I feel confident if you look at the fundamentals here,
whdn't get back to the shot we were old that
(28:25):
will be in better shape. So that's January, Okay, this
is July. No, I don't get bent out of shape.
Over the fact that somebody else not here or here
kind of all. Yeah, it feels different this time, though,
am I overstating it? Look at their DUP chart offensively,
(28:46):
like they just don't have you in the NFL. Don't
you have to get some easy touchdowns. Don't you have
to get a few easy touchdowns, stuff over the top.
You got to have yards after the catch. I mean
that's what the Niners have with like Debo and my
cat free or what the Bengals had when they had
Joe Mixon, Higgins, Jamar Chase. You can't diagram plays perfectly.
(29:07):
You need some running backs that break tackles.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
Well, they got that tight end Jake Ferguson, who's pretty
darn good.
Speaker 10 (29:12):
Good.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
PFF has him as the tenth best tight end last year.
Good blocker Rico Daldell at running back. Does he excite you?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
No?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
He does get you do.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Most of these teams that that end, that playoff teams,
they have game breakers, playmakers. You can't diagram perfectly. You
need special players. They have won whole roster offensively. One
don't like it. CD's got the leverage. Lean in young man,
(29:42):
you rarely get it. We'll see you tomorrow. Live in La.
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