October 21, 2024 • 31 mins
Former Patriots WR Julian Edelman joins The Herd to talk about the problems with the Patriots this season and how good teams handle difficult times
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Julian Edelman is going to be carving pumpkins with his
daughter later.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What a dad.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I love. That warms my heart. That warms my heart.
I'm going to have coffee with my daughter after the show.
And it's great, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It is?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It is, But I feel a little bad this year
because there's a pumpkin patch we went to last week
and there's like the real good one that's like an
hour and a half away. But I had things to do,
so we went to like a secondary punkin patch, and
I felt I could feel it in her that she
was a little disappointed.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So it's got a double a short.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
So we bought a bunch of pumpkins, multiple multiple make
up for it in volume.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, So I want to start with a game. Matt
Hasselbeck was on. He could have talked about it all day.
There is New England had this when you have a
really great team but you're selling in the locker room,
nobody buys into you. Detroit's got the best oline, the
best running back room, they got everything, and yet the
city has been mocked, the coach has been mocked. La
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kick golf out of town. I watched Detroit and I
see a great team with like eight great players in
their prime, and they got that chip thing where it's like, oh,
we're all cast offs. Yeah, it's powerful watching them play.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It is it is, and I would say they're the
cream of the crop right now of the NFC. Yeah,
right now they'll be representing the NFC. Just with how
everything looks going around that conference. The one thing that
gives me a little of the like Sunday scaries with
them are.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's mc DC and his like decision making. I didn't love.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
The fourth court or the first quarter fake punt. Yes
on fourth down when I knew it was coming, They
knew it was everyone knew it was coming, and they
still ran a fake punt on a bad look. Now
that was cool when you were you know, on the
bottom scraping knees or whatever. He said and they were
fighting to become the team and establish their culture. But
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they have that culture now. He needs to evolve as
a head coach and not put his teams in a
lot of these desperate situations where I know they're trying
to promote that they're a tough football team and they're
confident in their ability, but like, that'll burn you when
you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs in the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That'll burn you.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
When you give an opportunity to a team that k whoopia,
like another possession in a short field, like those things,
those situations will kill you.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It feels like to me, dan Is pretty regularly he
does don't want to let go of the culture he created, yeah,
which is this kneecap biting thing he wants to And
as they grow and win more, he's like, oh yeah, yea, okay, fine,
I don't want to give away the street fighter. But
they're no longer a street fighter.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They're like, they're you're the standard. They're the they're the
main event. They're not on the undercard. I think they're
the best team in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
They're the they're a mentally tough San Francisco forty nine
ers team and younger and younger. That's that's my thing
right now with I I I still think they need
to get a pass rusher. Uh, because I'm I'm I'm
thinking down the road.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Who you're trying to be.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, you're trying to win your your your conference, that
would be the NFC champs. But you're gonna have to
be Patrick Mahomes or some crazy Josh Josh Allen a
quarterback that's gonna be able to be mobile? Who are
how are they gonna get pressure on them? Like, that's
that's not gonna that's not gonna work. And then you're
gonna play from behind. And we all know that these systems,
these these Shanahan McVeigh systems, they like to play from ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
They like to run the football, you know, god bid.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
They get in a fourteen point deficit, then they start
changing their their play their play calls, and they look sloppy.
The drop back pass game is not their strength. Like
Detroit's been playing the game the way they want to
play the game. Let's start fast, Let's jump on them,
get a lead, Let's play to our defense and let
them get in these opportunistic third down situations. Try to
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get the team off the field and make them drive,
don't give big plays up, make them make a mistake
like they have something going right now.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's the formula to win. So I'm up on the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So one of the things when Belichick was in his
prime with Brady, you felt, even against the other well
coached teams, Big Ben and Tomlin, the good ones. Yeah,
I mean against other teams, I mean Andy Reid and
Alex Smith, Peyton Manning and Dungee, even against the great
coaching team quarterback combos, You'll be like, you have a
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Belichick's just he's a there's there's he and tomra And
I'm watching Mahomes and Andy Reid. They're missing running backs
and they're missing wide receivers, their adaptability, they're so resourceful.
And here's the thing. I like Kyle shanahana lot. I
don't want to overreact, but he is a guy that
has a system. You talk about this, it is a system. Hey,
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you can do little tweaks in the system, but it's
the system. And he didn't have a system. And he's like,
let's put Wens and Mahomes in the backfield and make
this thing fun. Is there I'm seeing a little bit
with San Francisco is that there is a way to
play and if they're missing certain pieces, then they're just
not as good.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean the mental toughness right now of that team,
of the San Francisco forty nine ers is is at
an all time low.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
For me right now. I mean, if you look at it.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I'm not a doctor, but if one of your best
players got bubble guts and he's not gonna play in
the game, and he's practiced all week and he's your
best player and you're needing them, Like, that's not cool.
When your best player and your team throws a punch
and he's gonna be ejected for this game and next game.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's not that's mentally.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Saw the distractions that the Niners had in the preseason
with guys wanting to get paid. This team is acted
like they've already won a Super Bowl and they haven't
won a Super Bowl. Like usually you win a Super
Bowl and people want to get paid and you get
all these things, and guys are missing games here and there.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They haven't got there yet, So they got to they got.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
To toughen up a little bit mentally, they got to
do what's best for the team and what's not necessarily
best for the individual. And that's what you see in
Kansas City. That's why Kansas City is winning. Travis Kelsey
ain't complaining that he ain't getting.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The ball, he's hobbling.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They're they're winning. You know, you don't, you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
There's just so there's so many distractions in San Francisco.
I would I would like to say that Brock perty
he's been playing pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean for not having his weapons.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If he uses this experience, this is this is a
teaching lesson for him in his career when he doesn't
he needs to learn how to adapt. The guy he
just played didn't have any of his guys. Look how
he performed on third down when the team needed in
four minute offense?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Is that run down the sideline?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Look how we performed in the red area?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Box score looks terrible two picks for Patrick Mahomes, But
when the play needs to be made and third down
or in the red area, he always makes it. So
like these can be learning experiences for Brock Purdy going
through this, this hiccup with the Niners.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They did this last year. I hope that.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
They can tighten it up and get back on the
right track. But uh, I think they need a look.
They got to take a tea spoon of cement. They
got to get tougher.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, have you ever played with a player that
practiced all week and then just felt sick on Sunday
and didn't play.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Uh yeah, but we won't. We won't bring out no names.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And he wasn't there long.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No, he got traded.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, Well, I mean seriously, if you pay.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For different reasons. We didn't because of that.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But there's there's guys in the locker room that look
at that, Like I looked at guys that did that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
There was a player that didn't play. He separated his shoulder, and.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Like we needed him, we needed him to play, and
he didn't play. And I remember taking a needle on
my shoulder for six weeks up to that point for
the same injury, and I was playing. Like then, you
look at a guy like, where where's your mind at?
Do you not want to win? What are we here for?
This is we're here to win football games?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, Like yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's that mental toughness, doing what's best for the team
when it ain't necessarily best for you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, so Girard Mayo called out the Patriots. I want
to play this sound by oof gird Mao.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Look a disappointing game. Disappointing game. We came out and
started fast. What I would say is we're a soft
football team across the board. We talk about what makes
a tough football team. That's being able to run the ball,
that's being able to stop the run, and that's being
able to cover kicks, and we did none of those today.
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Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, Belichick said, well, we led the NFL in run
defense last year. I don't think we're soft. What did
you make of that?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I liked drug calling on guys out. I mean, that's
clearly what he's been preaching all year. If a coach
goes out at a press conference and does something like that,
he's been talking about that all year.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Fellas.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
We need to stop the run, we need to tighten up.
That's how they won against the Cincinnati Bengals. They stopped
the run, they ran the ball and they made a
play in the kicking game. That's a fundamental thing if
you want to be a tough football team. It's been
in the building for twenty five years, so I like it.
I mean, Dirod's making some of the guys you know, hey,
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we got to be accountable. Like we put all this work.
We put all this time in for little drills. The
drill that leads up to the seven on seven, the
seven on seven that leads up to the team, the
individual one on one battles that you do to lead
up to the team drill. Like, that's what these guys
are working all day long, and you get frustrated.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I feel bad for draw, but I also like it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So you are you ready for this? Jay Mack, We're
gonna talk about the Jets, And I said, you see
this in the NBA, where you like, you put a
bunch of talented players together. It's like, well, figure the
Clippers the Suns, right, and it never works. It literally
never works. What just won the championship was the Celtics
together for years before that. It was the Denver Nuggets
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together for years. It's it's because all these games are close,
they're all circumstantial. It's trusting your teammate, I've got your back.
Like that. Stuff is hard. You can't just super loose
stuff together and think it holds. So I watched the
Jets and I'm like, they're just a bunch of talented guys.
I don't think they're a team interim coach, second coordinator.
(10:45):
Aaron's not you know, I'll be nice. I don't think
he's a galvanizer. I think he's talented. You know, Derek
Jeter was the soul of the Yankees. A Rod was talented.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You can have.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Both, but if you're asking Aaron, hey, unify. Aaron's always
had a little bit of a I'm above it all
kind of thing, which is fine. I don't care. It's
not personal. But I look at them and I just
think talent. Yeah, I mean you got you probably for
years face teams and you and Tom would beat them
and you'd be flying home thinking, yeah, they got good players.
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They don't know what the hell they're doing, but they
got good play. Houston's had a few of those teams
through the years. You're like JJ Watt, You're like, they
got dogs everywhere. That's what I see with the Jets.
Is it fair?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It is?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And You gotta blame Tom Brady for this, because I mean,
he goes over to Tampa Bay and wins the Super Bowl.
Now everyone thinks they could do and then the Rams
go out two years later and do the same kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So this is kind of a.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
New wrinkle in the league where teams are trying to
buy the Super Bowl because yeah, let's go, let's go
try to buy it. You know, I think that was
a tough That was a tough game for the Jets
last night.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I thought that I was I was impressed with that.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They looked in the first half, sure, but then you like,
they don't know how to make a Jets and they fired,
like I've heard you've been saying, they fired their best coach.
Usually coach, good coaches make adjustments at the half, and
you know, you could see a good team pull away
from teams that are playing good in the second half
because the team knows how to adjust the adjustments. Like
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that's a huge thing. And right now, I just don't
think they have a lot of chemistry. They don't have
a lot of time on task together, and that's you know,
there's a lot of reasons for that. One is, you know,
Aaron in the offseason, doesn't think it's that important. You know,
this is a new group of guys. Guys are jumping
off sides all the time. That cadence is tough to
get used to. You gotta practice that. That's got to
be practiced all day long to get these guys. That's
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a tool for Aaron. That's an amazing tool. It's one
of his best things. But like, if you don't practice it, guys,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Hold my water on that. Are you out of your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Those voice fluctuations, those are impeccable. I mean, he's got
like eight touchdowns on that play. So like the time
on task for them is just not enough and they're
gonna run out of time.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I feel bad, but.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You know, that's that's why it's important in the offseason
to nail down crucial fundamentals that you will lean on
subconsciously when it's a stressful time. Like that's where the
I see a lot of their problems.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's interesting that you circle back to Tom. If you
go back to Tom's first year and this is really
Aaron's first year.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, I mean really first eight weeks were tough.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So he was lost to the Bears on Thursday night
was screaming.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And he didn't know what down it was. I remember bedtime,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
He thought it was four. He thought it was third out.
It was four, but no, no, But it shows you
Stafford's first year with the Rams, he was kind of reckless.
He had to They had to bring in Odell Beckham
and they're like, yeah, we got to solve that. If
you go, look at how hard. So this is Stafford
won a Super Bowl and Tom did, Okay, it's hard,
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very hard. Russell Wilson man overboard and this is my thing.
It does I said this sort of hear. It doesn't
man matter if if you're a law firm, a plumbing company,
when you're rebuilding stuff in a limited time, it's freaking hard.
Very Stafford and Brady about week six with both when
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they took over the new team, it was capsizing and
now and these resilient got Tom had a buy if
you remember the first three got a buy, and he
and Bruce arians like sensed it together. And then all
of a sudden there was this a loosening of the
schedule for Stafford and he starts stacking wins. I'm not
sure if Aaron's quite that personality if he's a galvanizer.
But also in that situation, the Bucks and the Rams
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had better ownership. I think firing sala I think it's
really easy to do stuff like that. I watched this
defense the last two weeks. Okay, you you weren't around
fired coaches. Were you ever in this? Did you ever
have a moment when a team replaced the coach midseason?
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, I can't imagine. You know, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Can't imagine what new things a new coach is going
to do in the middle of a season when you
guys have been practicingal like, your team knows what they know,
so I don't. I don't really know how to handle
a fired coach. This situation, it just seems so jets.
I mean, you know when things are going well or
something of this that they have no patience.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It just everything seems a little desperate. I feel bad
for the fans. Man.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I was there in MetLife when they beat the tail
out of us the Patriots a few weeks ago, when
you're like, man, this is gonna be awesome, and you know,
those fans were so happy. I feel bad for them
because this that's just not how you run business. It's
it just seems impatient. It seems you know, but I
don't know. I can't speak for them.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Finally, so when I watch Kansas City in close games
and I'm just like, it's just institutional knowledge. I mean
even you know they do things. You've been a this.
You're one of the few players that we could ever
bring on Fox. You were in You and Tom probably
had twenty four big game some regular season. This was
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a big game. When you would go into these games
and you're in the third or fourth, third and fourth down,
did you feel like, looking across, like Kansas City, We're
gonna win this, or was their apprehension like the Baltimore's,
the Steelers, the Colts. Every high leverage play in that game,
Kansas City was flawless.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, that's because of preparation. They've seen that in practice.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
That's Andy Reid, that's Naggy, in practice, that's Spags, and
in practice getting these guys prepared through these situations. I mean,
when I would go into a third down and I
must gotta have it situation, I knew before the play
call even came in what we would run because we
practiced this situation fifteen times that during the week or not.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
So certain situations when we get to the line of scrimmage,
I was at my most confident because I ran this
play in my head already I know what the defense
is running.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I know because of the you know, the.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
The install if this guy's inside leverage, we got to
cover five. Like, I know what the coverage is from
all my coaches. I'm prepared for that situation. So by
that time, it's just deja vus. You've already done it,
you know. That's that's what you see with the Kansas
City Chiefs when it comes to a gotta have it situation,
They've done it so many times. They're so prepared. It's
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just about going out and executing a regular play.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So they were in the shotgun at the one. Yeah,
so just that, I mean, do you think that was
part of the deception. I'm like, who's at the shot
gun at the one? Even Tom mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, I mean that's Andy Reid and his innovative play calls.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He's trying to get into your head.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He always has three to six new red area plays
a game. If you if you look at it, I
mean he got this around the Rosie stuff. He does
a lot of those shuffle pass things, the double option stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
There's some kind of reverse.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
When you play against them, you have to I just
always remember Coach Belichick preaching to the defense, you have
to play team defense.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You have to do your job.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Everyone is accountable for their one responsibility and if you
don't have that responsibility, Patrick Mahomes will make you pay.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And Andy Reid with the play.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Come Bill Bill felt when you played Kansas City, Bill
addreshed that it would be different.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Always yeah, because you know, and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You were beating them.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Then, Yeah, we didn't lose to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Really, I don't think in my career.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think we did last in my eight and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
They were a fledgling dynasty.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
They were getting there, and they were young and sexy
and they were explosive. But we always felt like I
always felt when we would play them, our defense played
him pretty right. You get physical with them, make him
play tight man coverage, Disguise your looks for Patrick, try
to guy's as much as possible. You know, double their
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best guy. Don't let Kelsey touch the ball. Whatever you
have to do, you hit them at the line of
scream and you get physical with them, you get tight
man coverage with their receivers. You try to kill the
flow of their timing routes. Like that's the kind of
stuff you have to do, and if you don't, they're
they're gonna they're gonna eat you up. I remember that,
I know the game plan because we play them in
such important games so much. You know, Bill would always
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he would address the team in front of the whole team,
so he'd go over the offensive responsibility, the keys of
that game. You'd go the defense keys of that game,
and he'd show you know, forty play cut up to
the whole team along with special teams. So you know,
over the years you kind of it may not have
been to Patrick Mahomes team, but it was Andy Reid's system.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
We were playing them in.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Philly or you're playing you know, you'd always go back
and watch those films, so, yeah, you got to you
gotta be prepared. You can't make mistakes. The forty nine
ers had a couple opportunities to seize the momentum on
those interceptions. If if Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn the
ball over, you have to capitalize. Don't score a touch
you have to capitalize get some kind of point. You know,
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I wouldn't mind a field goal, but you know, you
have to capitalize on those nice they will give them
to you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's that's our of thing. So early the Niners stuffed
Kansas City on a fake punt and got a pick.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, no touchdown zero. And that's sudden change. That's spags,
and that's that's probably practiced at there. At We used
to practice sudden change. You know, we say that sudden changes.
We'd be doing a ten play drive in practice on
offense and all of a sudden Bill would blow the
whistle and play three and say, all right, punt, you know,
and then defense is up.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So you get that sudden.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Change, and you know, those things happen real quick after
an interception, a fumble, a turnover of some sort. You know,
getting your team dialed and ready and and and focused
for that first you know shot play that the offense
is going to give you as a defense or whatever
they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Julian Edelman, he's got a podcast, Games with Names. You
talked to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Lately, I haven't. I haven't talked to Coche.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's busy now. He's got a lot of show.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He's on everything. I said.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The new commercials are pretty funny. Him and Saving on
commercials cracking me up. I know they're starting to dig
into their a wholeness.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Hey that's for something. You gotta do it. You got
to you got performed for the country.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Hey that's method acting right there.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Not much of a strut. Julian Edelman back to wrap
it up live in La.
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Speaker 1 (21:36):
Matt Hasselback Julian Edelman both stopped by today. I think
I like the Chargers to beat Arizona tonight. Jay Mac,
I'm feeling it. I went to two and one on
the week for the record. That Rams number we fought
for on Monday. The five is why we got a push.
Would have been an l ended up being a push.
So there's one. Did you see the lines today? I did.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I've already bet two games.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay, it's interesting because I looked at the line this morning,
the Philadelphia lines. Interesting, you've been pretty successful with them.
Who they have I want you to look it up.
Tell the audience with maybe at the end of the
show we'll get back to you. There's a couple of
lines that I thought. There was two lines I thought
were very good lines for you and I, and the better.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Green Bay is certainly one of them.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, j mank with the news.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
This is the herd Line news, right, Colin, let's start
with the New York Giants. The g men, Oh gosh,
they are terrible. Sekwon Barkley returned to MetLife and just
torched the Giants one hundred and seventy six yards. Interestingly,
Daniel Jones was benched early in the fourth to create
a spark. According to Brian Dable, New York was down
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twenty eight three and only had one hundred yards of offense.
Colin through three quarters, I mean, come on, When Daniel
Jones was ticked off about the decision, I was frustrating.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You want to be out there playing with your teammates
and fighting the score points and move the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh and.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, so I was frustrated.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
It wasn't much of a conversation, though, was what he said.
He isn't to say you can go Drew uh looking
to a spark So that was about it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean once Andrew Thomas was out for the year,
the Giants will be in the market for another quarterback.
So here's the teams that are going to be drafting
another quarterback. Raiders, Giants, probably Carolina put those down. I
think Tennessee will be as well. I don't know if
you've heard it.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
The some Brace Young potential trade chatter is out there.
They had said he was off the table, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
For what six round pick we'll see.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
But yeah, there's several teams in need a quarterback out there.
Eagles are not one of them. Eagles have Jalen Hurts
and started to warm up to Jalen Hurts. Mister one
hundred and fourteen yards passing yesterday, You're not a fit.
This Eagle Eagles situation is interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, it's a quarterback coach league. I'm out on the
coach in Philly, and I have questions about the quarterback. Yeah.
I like his character, I like his intangibles. I don't
love the tangible part.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Final number Daniel Jones at home always bet against him.
His last thrown touchdown pass at home January first, twenty
twenty three. That's how far back you have to go
to find a touchdown pass thrown at home by dint.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
His passer rating at home is in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
If it's prime time and it's at home, fadom. Now
he one of those is got happening this week against
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So let's just be on. But let's be clear. New
England likes Drake May guarantee that Raiders want the number
one pick, they go for Shador. That's flashy, that's the Raiders.
Raiders are looking for a quarterback, Giants are looking for
a quarterback. Tennessee is looking for a quarterback, and I
think Caroline is looking.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
For a quarterba interesting one is the Saints, who are
two and five and have Derek Park.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I would be but I don't think they they're lockdown.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Whole new regime in there, and they might just look
at Derek car and be like, that's not.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
For us, and you move on.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
By the way, Kim Ward another a really nice game
for my guy Kim Ward in Miami.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But we'll get to the draft leader.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Next up is to the Jets, who had the loss
to the steel last night. Blah blah blah. But the
good news is Hassan Reddick ended as hold out. Oh yeah,
the savior Hassan Redick. He agreed to a rework deal
that runs through the end of the season. He made
his first appearance at the Jets facility today and his
new agent says that the goal is to continue working
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towards a long term extension with the Jets. Thearing no
shot of that happening. But anyways, more good news for
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Call it well, yeah it doesn't matter. Again. Another talented player,
but no connective tissue with the team. Just a bunch
of guys. You know what's funny is at two and five,
they've got Jacksonville on the schedule and New England on
the schedule. Jets will win games. I mean, you see
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the w's, but there's just enough tough games, you know,
Houston Rams Buffalo at Miami Seattle. There's just enough tough games.
They're out of the list. I had them at nine wins.
I think now I look at the schedule, I think
it's eight. But I mean that was my take. I
had them not making the playoffs, winning eight to nine games.
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So I'm gonna take a w on this that they
are what I thought. I just didn't think they'd struggle
to beat Denver at home and struggle to beat a
Pittsburgh team offensively. That was inept until the second half
last night.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
So we'll see if Reddick plays this week. Nobody knows
what to expect. But did you see Devonte Adams left
early with the hammy? My guess is he doesn't play
against the Patriots because they will need him on that
Thursday night game against Texans. That's a big one. That's
a big swing game for them. All of the season's over.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You know, you gotta hold.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Out some form of How about this if you're a
New York sports fan, it's been a terrible decade. Giants
bench their quarterback, Mets lose, Jets lose yesterday was a
terrible game for the Yankees are in the World Series
than they are and that's the probably the most popular team.
It's it's it's a Knicks Yankee town going forward. But
when you watch the Mets Dodgers, the Dodgers had I mean,
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if if we're right down the ten best players, the
Dodgers had eight of the best players. Yeah, maybe mid
nine of twelve. So it's like the Mets aren't I mean,
they're fun, but they're not. Atlanta will bounce back. The
Dodgers have you know, endless, you know, revenue and talent.
The Yankees don't even feel dominant. They just feel like
the best of kind of a weird American league where Cleveland, Detroit,
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Baltimore like that. The Red Sox are no longer. They
don't play like a big market team. So like, who's
the Yankees adversary? Who do you worry about? Astros? That's
it to me, it's the Astros.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Like the final story Collins college football, the latest ap
pole is out, oh and the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Quack quack up. Top number one.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Number two is Georgia after that rousing win over against Texas.
Then you've got Penn State followed by Ohio State. Those
two meet in two weeks in Happy Valley, Texas loving
at five, Miami at six. You have to go far
down the list to find Alabama.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Choke damn tie.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
They are fifteenth Colin. I'm just telling you there is
a legit scenario where they missed the college football field.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
In my opinion, they feel loose, you know, I say
this about the Cowboys and the Jaguars. They feel loose.
Alabama feels I'm surprised with Kaylin de Boor. They just
feel a little loose, not buttoned up players, bad behavior
and nobody calling him out. Now, Tennessee is really good,
high profile game, and Tennessee's excellent.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, by the way, what's I had this? This is
my one of my losers on the weekend in college.
But Jalen Milroe, where are you on him? So you
roll that Tennessee tape?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh, I think Jalen Milroe is. If you're asking me,
I would take Shador Sanders Colorado number one. Nobody else
to me looks I would say Jalen Milroe is and
cam Ward are. I'll take him second round, second round,
the third back in Quinn, yours are third rounders. Yours
is third. Come.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
You're getting a little wild here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
By the way, his benching was like.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Weird, weird.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It wasn't his fault.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
No, Sark was grasping its straws at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
All I know is you can't be inconsistent in college
if you have Texas talent.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Was inconsistent in college.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, he played with Iowa State talent you're playing.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
With this Hall was a lizard down, don't dudes.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I mean, if you're the quarterback behind that line at
Texas Quin yours, you don't get to be you know,
second and like two out of fifteen on third down,
you're not allowed to have that. Yeah, I mean I
watched Carson Beck and yours. I'm like, those are not
first round quarterbacks. Those are two of the three most
talented teams in the country. I think I told you,
I texted a and the NFL Exact last week that
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will be in line for a quarterback in a couple
of years. So they're looking at everybody if they can
find somebody. And he said his text to me was,
I wouldn't want to need a quarterback this year. You
never want a need And they didn't draft one last
year because they felt it was too early. But his
take was, this is not the year. If you need
a quarterback, there's one and it should do her. Sanders,
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I think I think Dame third round, second round. I
think there's a bunch of guys that need to come
in and sit, but none of them feel None of
them feel like that you can drive your franchise.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
By the way, you see your guy Pendix got some
garbage time against.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Uh throwing ropes. Ropes from Michael P. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So, uh, I'm just looking at the NFL lines next week.
Mmm mmmmm Bengals minus is that Bengals minus three at
home against Philadelphia Bengals Eagles. That is dangerous.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Man, be careful with that one. You don't know what
to expect with either of those teams.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, So we do this early in the week, just
randomly for the TV audience. You're looking at this, and
I said, pick the upset. Pick the upset.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Since I'm pot committed on being Chiefs hater number one,
them give me the Raiders at home in a spot
where nobody's touching them.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Raiders at home against Kansas, they BEATKC remember last year
on the road, they play really hard.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It's a big win for Mahomes and company against the
Niners and then maybe no show. But remember the Raiders
didn't they do some nonsense with Mahomes in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Some voodoo doll.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, it could be a revenge spot for Mahames.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Julian Edelman is going to be carving pumpkins with his
daughter later.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What a dad.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I love. That warms my heart. That warms my heart.
I'm going to have coffee with my daughter after the show.
And it's great, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
It is?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It is, But I feel a little bad this year
because there's a pumpkin patch we went to last week
and there's like the real good one that's like an
hour and a half away. But I had things to do,
so we went to like a secondary punkin patch, and
I felt I could feel it in her that she
was a little disappointed.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So it's got a double a short.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
So we bought a bunch of pumpkins, multiple multiple make
up for it in volume.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, So I want to start with a game. Matt
Hasselbeck was on. He could have talked about it all day.
There is New England had this when you have a
really great team but you're selling in the locker room,
nobody buys into you. Detroit's got the best oline, the
best running back room, they got everything, and yet the
city has been mocked, the coach has been mocked. La
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kick golf out of town. I watched Detroit and I
see a great team with like eight great players in
their prime, and they got that chip thing where it's like, oh,
we're all cast offs. Yeah, it's powerful watching them play.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
It is it is, and I would say they're the
cream of the crop right now of the NFC. Yeah,
right now they'll be representing the NFC. Just with how
everything looks going around that conference. The one thing that
gives me a little of the like Sunday scaries with
them are.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's mc DC and his like decision making. I didn't love.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
The fourth court or the first quarter fake punt. Yes
on fourth down when I knew it was coming, They
knew it was everyone knew it was coming, and they
still ran a fake punt on a bad look. Now
that was cool when you were you know, on the
bottom scraping knees or whatever. He said and they were
fighting to become the team and establish their culture. But
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they have that culture now. He needs to evolve as
a head coach and not put his teams in a
lot of these desperate situations where I know they're trying
to promote that they're a tough football team and they're
confident in their ability, but like, that'll burn you when
you're playing the Kansas City Chiefs in the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That'll burn you.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
When you give an opportunity to a team that k whoopia,
like another possession in a short field, like those things,
those situations will kill you.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It feels like to me, dan Is pretty regularly he
does don't want to let go of the culture he created, yeah,
which is this kneecap biting thing he wants to And
as they grow and win more, he's like, oh yeah, yea, okay, fine,
I don't want to give away the street fighter. But
they're no longer a street fighter.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They're like, they're you're the standard. They're the they're the
main event. They're not on the undercard. I think they're
the best team in the NFC.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
They're the they're a mentally tough San Francisco forty nine
ers team and younger and younger. That's that's my thing
right now with I I I still think they need
to get a pass rusher. Uh, because I'm I'm I'm
thinking down the road.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Who you're trying to be.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, you're trying to win your your your conference, that
would be the NFC champs. But you're gonna have to
be Patrick Mahomes or some crazy Josh Josh Allen a
quarterback that's gonna be able to be mobile? Who are
how are they gonna get pressure on them? Like, that's
that's not gonna that's not gonna work. And then you're
gonna play from behind. And we all know that these systems,
these these Shanahan McVeigh systems, they like to play from ahead.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
They like to run the football, you know, god bid.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
They get in a fourteen point deficit, then they start
changing their their play their play calls, and they look sloppy.
The drop back pass game is not their strength. Like
Detroit's been playing the game the way they want to
play the game. Let's start fast, Let's jump on them,
get a lead, Let's play to our defense and let
them get in these opportunistic third down situations. Try to
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get the team off the field and make them drive,
don't give big plays up, make them make a mistake
like they have something going right now.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That's the formula to win. So I'm up on the
Detroit Lions.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So one of the things when Belichick was in his
prime with Brady, you felt, even against the other well
coached teams, Big Ben and Tomlin, the good ones. Yeah,
I mean against other teams, I mean Andy Reid and
Alex Smith, Peyton Manning and Dungee, even against the great
coaching team quarterback combos, You'll be like, you have a
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Belichick's just he's a there's there's he and tomra And
I'm watching Mahomes and Andy Reid. They're missing running backs
and they're missing wide receivers, their adaptability, they're so resourceful.
And here's the thing. I like Kyle shanahana lot. I
don't want to overreact, but he is a guy that
has a system. You talk about this, it is a system. Hey,
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you can do little tweaks in the system, but it's
the system. And he didn't have a system. And he's like,
let's put Wens and Mahomes in the backfield and make
this thing fun. Is there I'm seeing a little bit
with San Francisco is that there is a way to
play and if they're missing certain pieces, then they're just
not as good.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I mean the mental toughness right now of that team,
of the San Francisco forty nine ers is is at
an all time low.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
For me right now. I mean, if you look at it.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I'm not a doctor, but if one of your best
players got bubble guts and he's not gonna play in
the game, and he's practiced all week and he's your
best player and you're needing them, Like, that's not cool.
When your best player and your team throws a punch
and he's gonna be ejected for this game and next game.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
That's not that's mentally.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Saw the distractions that the Niners had in the preseason
with guys wanting to get paid. This team is acted
like they've already won a Super Bowl and they haven't
won a Super Bowl. Like usually you win a Super
Bowl and people want to get paid and you get
all these things, and guys are missing games here and there.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They haven't got there yet, So they got to they got.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
To toughen up a little bit mentally, they got to
do what's best for the team and what's not necessarily
best for the individual. And that's what you see in
Kansas City. That's why Kansas City is winning. Travis Kelsey
ain't complaining that he ain't getting.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The ball, he's hobbling.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They're they're winning. You know, you don't, you don't.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
There's just so there's so many distractions in San Francisco.
I would I would like to say that Brock perty
he's been playing pretty good.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I mean for not having his weapons.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
If he uses this experience, this is this is a
teaching lesson for him in his career when he doesn't
he needs to learn how to adapt. The guy he
just played didn't have any of his guys. Look how
he performed on third down when the team needed in
four minute offense?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Is that run down the sideline?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Look how we performed in the red area?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Box score looks terrible two picks for Patrick Mahomes, But
when the play needs to be made and third down
or in the red area, he always makes it. So
like these can be learning experiences for Brock Purdy going
through this, this hiccup with the Niners.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
They did this last year. I hope that.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
They can tighten it up and get back on the
right track. But uh, I think they need a look.
They got to take a tea spoon of cement. They
got to get tougher.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean, have you ever played with a player that
practiced all week and then just felt sick on Sunday
and didn't play.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Uh yeah, but we won't. We won't bring out no names.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And he wasn't there long.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
No, he got traded.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, Well, I mean seriously, if you pay.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
For different reasons. We didn't because of that.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
But there's there's guys in the locker room that look
at that, Like I looked at guys that did that.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
There was a player that didn't play. He separated his shoulder, and.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Like we needed him, we needed him to play, and
he didn't play. And I remember taking a needle on
my shoulder for six weeks up to that point for
the same injury, and I was playing. Like then, you
look at a guy like, where where's your mind at?
Do you not want to win? What are we here for?
This is we're here to win football games?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, Like yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's that mental toughness, doing what's best for the team
when it ain't necessarily best for you.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Okay, so Girard Mayo called out the Patriots. I want
to play this sound by oof gird Mao.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
Look a disappointing game. Disappointing game. We came out and
started fast. What I would say is we're a soft
football team across the board. We talk about what makes
a tough football team. That's being able to run the ball,
that's being able to stop the run, and that's being
able to cover kicks, and we did none of those today.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
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Speaker 1 (08:58):
Now, Belichick said, well, we led the NFL in run
defense last year. I don't think we're soft. What did
you make of that?
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
I liked drug calling on guys out. I mean, that's
clearly what he's been preaching all year. If a coach
goes out at a press conference and does something like that,
he's been talking about that all year.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Fellas.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
We need to stop the run, we need to tighten up.
That's how they won against the Cincinnati Bengals. They stopped
the run, they ran the ball and they made a
play in the kicking game. That's a fundamental thing if
you want to be a tough football team. It's been
in the building for twenty five years, so I like it.
I mean, Dirod's making some of the guys you know, hey,
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we got to be accountable. Like we put all this work.
We put all this time in for little drills. The
drill that leads up to the seven on seven, the
seven on seven that leads up to the team, the
individual one on one battles that you do to lead
up to the team drill. Like, that's what these guys
are working all day long, and you get frustrated.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I feel bad for draw, but I also like it.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So you are you ready for this? Jay Mack, We're
gonna talk about the Jets, And I said, you see
this in the NBA, where you like, you put a
bunch of talented players together. It's like, well, figure the
Clippers the Suns, right, and it never works. It literally
never works. What just won the championship was the Celtics
together for years before that. It was the Denver Nuggets
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together for years. It's it's because all these games are close,
they're all circumstantial. It's trusting your teammate, I've got your back.
Like that. Stuff is hard. You can't just super loose
stuff together and think it holds. So I watched the
Jets and I'm like, they're just a bunch of talented guys.
I don't think they're a team interim coach, second coordinator.
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Aaron's not you know, I'll be nice. I don't think
he's a galvanizer. I think he's talented. You know, Derek
Jeter was the soul of the Yankees. A Rod was talented.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
You can have.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Both, but if you're asking Aaron, hey, unify. Aaron's always
had a little bit of a I'm above it all
kind of thing, which is fine. I don't care. It's
not personal. But I look at them and I just
think talent. Yeah, I mean you got you probably for
years face teams and you and Tom would beat them
and you'd be flying home thinking, yeah, they got good players.
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They don't know what the hell they're doing, but they
got good play. Houston's had a few of those teams
through the years. You're like JJ Watt, You're like, they
got dogs everywhere. That's what I see with the Jets.
Is it fair?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It is?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And You gotta blame Tom Brady for this, because I mean,
he goes over to Tampa Bay and wins the Super Bowl.
Now everyone thinks they could do and then the Rams
go out two years later and do the same kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So this is kind of a.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
New wrinkle in the league where teams are trying to
buy the Super Bowl because yeah, let's go, let's go
try to buy it. You know, I think that was
a tough That was a tough game for the Jets
last night.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I thought that I was I was impressed with that.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
They looked in the first half, sure, but then you like,
they don't know how to make a Jets and they fired,
like I've heard you've been saying, they fired their best coach.
Usually coach, good coaches make adjustments at the half, and
you know, you could see a good team pull away
from teams that are playing good in the second half
because the team knows how to adjust the adjustments. Like
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that's a huge thing. And right now, I just don't
think they have a lot of chemistry. They don't have
a lot of time on task together, and that's you know,
there's a lot of reasons for that. One is, you know,
Aaron in the offseason, doesn't think it's that important. You know,
this is a new group of guys. Guys are jumping
off sides all the time. That cadence is tough to
get used to. You gotta practice that. That's got to
be practiced all day long to get these guys. That's
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a tool for Aaron. That's an amazing tool. It's one
of his best things. But like, if you don't practice it, guys,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Hold my water on that. Are you out of your mind?
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Those voice fluctuations, those are impeccable. I mean, he's got
like eight touchdowns on that play. So like the time
on task for them is just not enough and they're
gonna run out of time.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I feel bad, but.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
You know, that's that's why it's important in the offseason
to nail down crucial fundamentals that you will lean on
subconsciously when it's a stressful time. Like that's where the
I see a lot of their problems.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's interesting that you circle back to Tom. If you
go back to Tom's first year and this is really
Aaron's first year.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, I mean really first eight weeks were tough.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So he was lost to the Bears on Thursday night
was screaming.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And he didn't know what down it was. I remember bedtime,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
He thought it was four. He thought it was third out.
It was four, but no, no, But it shows you
Stafford's first year with the Rams, he was kind of reckless.
He had to They had to bring in Odell Beckham
and they're like, yeah, we got to solve that. If
you go, look at how hard. So this is Stafford
won a Super Bowl and Tom did, Okay, it's hard,
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very hard. Russell Wilson man overboard and this is my thing.
It does I said this sort of hear. It doesn't
man matter if if you're a law firm, a plumbing company,
when you're rebuilding stuff in a limited time, it's freaking hard.
Very Stafford and Brady about week six with both when
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they took over the new team, it was capsizing and
now and these resilient got Tom had a buy if
you remember the first three got a buy, and he
and Bruce arians like sensed it together. And then all
of a sudden there was this a loosening of the
schedule for Stafford and he starts stacking wins. I'm not
sure if Aaron's quite that personality if he's a galvanizer.
But also in that situation, the Bucks and the Rams
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had better ownership. I think firing sala I think it's
really easy to do stuff like that. I watched this
defense the last two weeks. Okay, you you weren't around
fired coaches. Were you ever in this? Did you ever
have a moment when a team replaced the coach midseason?
Can you even imagine?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
No, I can't imagine. You know, that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Can't imagine what new things a new coach is going
to do in the middle of a season when you
guys have been practicingal like, your team knows what they know,
so I don't. I don't really know how to handle
a fired coach. This situation, it just seems so jets.
I mean, you know when things are going well or
something of this that they have no patience.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
It just everything seems a little desperate. I feel bad
for the fans. Man.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I was there in MetLife when they beat the tail
out of us the Patriots a few weeks ago, when
you're like, man, this is gonna be awesome, and you know,
those fans were so happy. I feel bad for them
because this that's just not how you run business. It's
it just seems impatient. It seems you know, but I
don't know. I can't speak for them.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Finally, so when I watch Kansas City in close games
and I'm just like, it's just institutional knowledge. I mean
even you know they do things. You've been a this.
You're one of the few players that we could ever
bring on Fox. You were in You and Tom probably
had twenty four big game some regular season. This was
(16:09):
a big game. When you would go into these games
and you're in the third or fourth, third and fourth down,
did you feel like, looking across, like Kansas City, We're
gonna win this, or was their apprehension like the Baltimore's,
the Steelers, the Colts. Every high leverage play in that game,
Kansas City was flawless.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, that's because of preparation. They've seen that in practice.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
That's Andy Reid, that's Naggy, in practice, that's Spags, and
in practice getting these guys prepared through these situations. I mean,
when I would go into a third down and I
must gotta have it situation, I knew before the play
call even came in what we would run because we
practiced this situation fifteen times that during the week or not.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
So certain situations when we get to the line of scrimmage,
I was at my most confident because I ran this
play in my head already I know what the defense
is running.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I know because of the you know, the.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
The install if this guy's inside leverage, we got to
cover five. Like, I know what the coverage is from
all my coaches. I'm prepared for that situation. So by
that time, it's just deja vus. You've already done it,
you know. That's that's what you see with the Kansas
City Chiefs when it comes to a gotta have it situation,
They've done it so many times. They're so prepared. It's
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just about going out and executing a regular play.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So they were in the shotgun at the one. Yeah,
so just that, I mean, do you think that was
part of the deception. I'm like, who's at the shot
gun at the one? Even Tom mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, I mean that's Andy Reid and his innovative play calls.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
He's trying to get into your head.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
He always has three to six new red area plays
a game. If you if you look at it, I
mean he got this around the Rosie stuff. He does
a lot of those shuffle pass things, the double option stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
There's some kind of reverse.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
When you play against them, you have to I just
always remember Coach Belichick preaching to the defense, you have
to play team defense.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
You have to do your job.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Everyone is accountable for their one responsibility and if you
don't have that responsibility, Patrick Mahomes will make you pay.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And Andy Reid with the play.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Come Bill Bill felt when you played Kansas City, Bill
addreshed that it would be different.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Always yeah, because you know, and.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
You were beating them.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Then, Yeah, we didn't lose to Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Really, I don't think in my career.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
I think we did last in my eight and nineteen.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
They were a fledgling dynasty.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
They were getting there, and they were young and sexy
and they were explosive. But we always felt like I
always felt when we would play them, our defense played
him pretty right. You get physical with them, make him
play tight man coverage, Disguise your looks for Patrick, try
to guy's as much as possible. You know, double their
(19:03):
best guy. Don't let Kelsey touch the ball. Whatever you
have to do, you hit them at the line of
scream and you get physical with them, you get tight
man coverage with their receivers. You try to kill the
flow of their timing routes. Like that's the kind of
stuff you have to do, and if you don't, they're
they're gonna they're gonna eat you up. I remember that,
I know the game plan because we play them in
such important games so much. You know, Bill would always
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he would address the team in front of the whole team,
so he'd go over the offensive responsibility, the keys of
that game. You'd go the defense keys of that game,
and he'd show you know, forty play cut up to
the whole team along with special teams. So you know,
over the years you kind of it may not have
been to Patrick Mahomes team, but it was Andy Reid's system.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
We were playing them in.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Philly or you're playing you know, you'd always go back
and watch those films, so, yeah, you got to you
gotta be prepared. You can't make mistakes. The forty nine
ers had a couple opportunities to seize the momentum on
those interceptions. If if Patrick Mahomes is gonna turn the
ball over, you have to capitalize. Don't score a touch
you have to capitalize get some kind of point. You know,
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I wouldn't mind a field goal, but you know, you
have to capitalize on those nice they will give them
to you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's that's our of thing. So early the Niners stuffed
Kansas City on a fake punt and got a pick.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Yeah, no touchdown zero. And that's sudden change. That's spags,
and that's that's probably practiced at there. At We used
to practice sudden change. You know, we say that sudden changes.
We'd be doing a ten play drive in practice on
offense and all of a sudden Bill would blow the
whistle and play three and say, all right, punt, you know,
and then defense is up.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So you get that sudden.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Change, and you know, those things happen real quick after
an interception, a fumble, a turnover of some sort. You know,
getting your team dialed and ready and and and focused
for that first you know shot play that the offense
is going to give you as a defense or whatever
they're going to do.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Julian Edelman, he's got a podcast, Games with Names. You
talked to Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Lately, I haven't. I haven't talked to Coche.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
He's busy now. He's got a lot of show.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
He's on everything. I said.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
The new commercials are pretty funny. Him and Saving on
commercials cracking me up. I know they're starting to dig
into their a wholeness.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Hey that's for something. You gotta do it. You got
to you got performed for the country.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Hey that's method acting right there.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Not much of a strut. Julian Edelman back to wrap
it up live in La.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
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you like.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Matt Hasselback Julian Edelman both stopped by today. I think
I like the Chargers to beat Arizona tonight. Jay Mac,
I'm feeling it. I went to two and one on
the week for the record. That Rams number we fought
for on Monday. The five is why we got a push.
Would have been an l ended up being a push.
So there's one. Did you see the lines today? I did.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
I've already bet two games.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Okay, it's interesting because I looked at the line this morning,
the Philadelphia lines. Interesting, you've been pretty successful with them.
Who they have I want you to look it up.
Tell the audience with maybe at the end of the
show we'll get back to you. There's a couple of
lines that I thought. There was two lines I thought
were very good lines for you and I, and the better.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Green Bay is certainly one of them.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, j mank with the news.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
This is the herd Line news, right, Colin, let's start
with the New York Giants. The g men, Oh gosh,
they are terrible. Sekwon Barkley returned to MetLife and just
torched the Giants one hundred and seventy six yards. Interestingly,
Daniel Jones was benched early in the fourth to create
a spark. According to Brian Dable, New York was down
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twenty eight three and only had one hundred yards of offense.
Colin through three quarters, I mean, come on, When Daniel
Jones was ticked off about the decision, I was frustrating.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You want to be out there playing with your teammates
and fighting the score points and move the ball.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Oh and.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Yeah, so I was frustrated.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
It wasn't much of a conversation, though, was what he said.
He isn't to say you can go Drew uh looking
to a spark So that was about it.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, I mean once Andrew Thomas was out for the year,
the Giants will be in the market for another quarterback.
So here's the teams that are going to be drafting
another quarterback. Raiders, Giants, probably Carolina put those down. I
think Tennessee will be as well. I don't know if
you've heard it.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
The some Brace Young potential trade chatter is out there.
They had said he was off the table, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
For what six round pick we'll see.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
But yeah, there's several teams in need a quarterback out there.
Eagles are not one of them. Eagles have Jalen Hurts
and started to warm up to Jalen Hurts. Mister one
hundred and fourteen yards passing yesterday, You're not a fit.
This Eagle Eagles situation is interesting.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Well, it's a quarterback coach league. I'm out on the
coach in Philly, and I have questions about the quarterback. Yeah.
I like his character, I like his intangibles. I don't
love the tangible part.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Final number Daniel Jones at home always bet against him.
His last thrown touchdown pass at home January first, twenty
twenty three. That's how far back you have to go
to find a touchdown pass thrown at home by dint.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
His passer rating at home is in the fifties.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
If it's prime time and it's at home, fadom. Now
he one of those is got happening this week against
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So let's just be on. But let's be clear. New
England likes Drake May guarantee that Raiders want the number
one pick, they go for Shador. That's flashy, that's the Raiders.
Raiders are looking for a quarterback, Giants are looking for
a quarterback. Tennessee is looking for a quarterback, and I
think Caroline is looking.
Speaker 6 (24:38):
For a quarterba interesting one is the Saints, who are
two and five and have Derek Park.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I would be but I don't think they they're lockdown.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Whole new regime in there, and they might just look
at Derek car and be like, that's not.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
For us, and you move on.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
It's a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (24:50):
By the way, Kim Ward another a really nice game
for my guy Kim Ward in Miami.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
I like him a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But we'll get to the draft leader.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Next up is to the Jets, who had the loss
to the steel last night. Blah blah blah. But the
good news is Hassan Reddick ended as hold out. Oh yeah,
the savior Hassan Redick. He agreed to a rework deal
that runs through the end of the season. He made
his first appearance at the Jets facility today and his
new agent says that the goal is to continue working
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towards a long term extension with the Jets. Thearing no
shot of that happening. But anyways, more good news for
the Jets.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Call it well, yeah it doesn't matter. Again. Another talented player,
but no connective tissue with the team. Just a bunch
of guys. You know what's funny is at two and five,
they've got Jacksonville on the schedule and New England on
the schedule. Jets will win games. I mean, you see
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the w's, but there's just enough tough games, you know,
Houston Rams Buffalo at Miami Seattle. There's just enough tough games.
They're out of the list. I had them at nine wins.
I think now I look at the schedule, I think
it's eight. But I mean that was my take. I
had them not making the playoffs, winning eight to nine games.
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So I'm gonna take a w on this that they
are what I thought. I just didn't think they'd struggle
to beat Denver at home and struggle to beat a
Pittsburgh team offensively. That was inept until the second half
last night.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
So we'll see if Reddick plays this week. Nobody knows
what to expect. But did you see Devonte Adams left
early with the hammy? My guess is he doesn't play
against the Patriots because they will need him on that
Thursday night game against Texans. That's a big one. That's
a big swing game for them. All of the season's over.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
You know, you gotta hold.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Out some form of How about this if you're a
New York sports fan, it's been a terrible decade. Giants
bench their quarterback, Mets lose, Jets lose yesterday was a
terrible game for the Yankees are in the World Series
than they are and that's the probably the most popular team.
It's it's it's a Knicks Yankee town going forward. But
when you watch the Mets Dodgers, the Dodgers had I mean,
(26:56):
if if we're right down the ten best players, the
Dodgers had eight of the best players. Yeah, maybe mid
nine of twelve. So it's like the Mets aren't I mean,
they're fun, but they're not. Atlanta will bounce back. The
Dodgers have you know, endless, you know, revenue and talent.
The Yankees don't even feel dominant. They just feel like
the best of kind of a weird American league where Cleveland, Detroit,
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Baltimore like that. The Red Sox are no longer. They
don't play like a big market team. So like, who's
the Yankees adversary? Who do you worry about? Astros? That's
it to me, it's the Astros.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Like the final story Collins college football, the latest ap
pole is out, oh and the Oregon Ducks.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Quack quack up. Top number one.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Number two is Georgia after that rousing win over against Texas.
Then you've got Penn State followed by Ohio State. Those
two meet in two weeks in Happy Valley, Texas loving
at five, Miami at six. You have to go far
down the list to find Alabama.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Choke damn tie.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
They are fifteenth Colin. I'm just telling you there is
a legit scenario where they missed the college football field.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
In my opinion, they feel loose, you know, I say
this about the Cowboys and the Jaguars. They feel loose.
Alabama feels I'm surprised with Kaylin de Boor. They just
feel a little loose, not buttoned up players, bad behavior
and nobody calling him out. Now, Tennessee is really good,
high profile game, and Tennessee's excellent.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yeah, by the way, what's I had this? This is
my one of my losers on the weekend in college.
But Jalen Milroe, where are you on him? So you
roll that Tennessee tape?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh, I think Jalen Milroe is. If you're asking me,
I would take Shador Sanders Colorado number one. Nobody else
to me looks I would say Jalen Milroe is and
cam Ward are. I'll take him second round, second round,
the third back in Quinn, yours are third rounders. Yours
is third. Come.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
You're getting a little wild here.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
By the way, his benching was like.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Weird, weird.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It wasn't his fault.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
No, Sark was grasping its straws at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
All I know is you can't be inconsistent in college
if you have Texas talent.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Was inconsistent in college.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, he played with Iowa State talent you're playing.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
With this Hall was a lizard down, don't dudes.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I mean, if you're the quarterback behind that line at
Texas Quin yours, you don't get to be you know,
second and like two out of fifteen on third down,
you're not allowed to have that. Yeah, I mean I
watched Carson Beck and yours. I'm like, those are not
first round quarterbacks. Those are two of the three most
talented teams in the country. I think I told you,
I texted a and the NFL Exact last week that
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will be in line for a quarterback in a couple
of years. So they're looking at everybody if they can
find somebody. And he said his text to me was,
I wouldn't want to need a quarterback this year. You
never want a need And they didn't draft one last
year because they felt it was too early. But his
take was, this is not the year. If you need
a quarterback, there's one and it should do her. Sanders,
(30:05):
I think I think Dame third round, second round. I
think there's a bunch of guys that need to come
in and sit, but none of them feel None of
them feel like that you can drive your franchise.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
By the way, you see your guy Pendix got some
garbage time against.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Uh throwing ropes. Ropes from Michael P. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So, uh, I'm just looking at the NFL lines next week.
Mmm mmmmm Bengals minus is that Bengals minus three at
home against Philadelphia Bengals Eagles. That is dangerous.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Man, be careful with that one. You don't know what
to expect with either of those teams.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, So we do this early in the week, just
randomly for the TV audience. You're looking at this, and
I said, pick the upset. Pick the upset.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Since I'm pot committed on being Chiefs hater number one,
them give me the Raiders at home in a spot
where nobody's touching them.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Raiders at home against Kansas, they BEATKC remember last year
on the road, they play really hard.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
It's a big win for Mahomes and company against the
Niners and then maybe no show. But remember the Raiders
didn't they do some nonsense with Mahomes in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Some voodoo doll.
Speaker 6 (31:30):
Yeah, it could be a revenge spot for Mahames.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
See you tomorrow,
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