March 26, 2025 • 33 mins
3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show to talk about where Aaron Rodgers fits as he decides where to play in 2025
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And by the way, the commissioner Rob Manfred showed up
just about an hour ago, and we did We did
ask him about potentially a salary cap.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's important for our smaller markets to do something more
than qualified for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Right, there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Between getting into to the first round and going deeper
in the playoffs. There are five major North American sports
Countain soccer. Four of them have a cap.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We do hear a lot about it from fans, particularly
in smaller markets, but the reality is we're, you know,
two years away from the end of the basic agreement.
We're just not in a position where we are talking
about or have made decisions about what's ahead in the
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next round of arguining.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So, and let me push back on that. I don't
think organizations have a right to a world series. If
you make the playoffs in baseball because of the season's length,
you've given a city an amazing six months. I mean
it's you know, think about how great the Packers have
been farv got one. Super Bowl, Aaron got one. I mean,
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Kansas City Royals got one. I mean that's the reality.
So this idea that, well, okay, callin. You're right, a
lot of teams with lower payrolls can make the playoffs.
But that's enough. There's no guarantee. You think how good
Mark Cubans Mavericks were one championship and they were underdogs
in it. So the idea that, I mean when the
last time the Jets were a Super Bowl contender. So
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the idea that that, well, if you got to do
more than make the playoffs, no they don't. If Oklahoma
City never wins. They got to a final with Kevin Durant,
Westbrook Harden, but they never win a final with this group.
But they get to several again, Jerry West lost eight
times to the Celtics in the finals, seven or eight times.
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There is no right. If you're getting to the finals,
you're getting into the playoffs. In baseball, that's better than
half the sport that's a great I mean, I'm a
Mariner fan growing up. Playoffs. Let me do a Jim
Morrill playoffs playoffs. So this idea that, well, we don't.
We never won a World Series. You know what, Royals
you got one, Rangers, she got one. Nat she got one.
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You're probably not getting two. That's okay. There are even
in college football, perdue, should we shut the program down?
They're never gonna win a Natty. In college football, there
are universities that just have to They have geographical and
financial advantages. Ohio's got more good players, so does Florida,
Texas in southern California and Miami they got more good players.
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That's why they went to Nashville. College sports is really inequitable.
I mean, there's some of these cold weather northern How
many good high school players does Wisconsin have? Just getting
to a Rose Bowl that's all you're gonna get. You're
not gonna win a Natty at Wisconsin and the and
the truth is is the Tampa Bay Raids are probably
not gonna win a World Series. But if you're getting
to the playoffs, what's wrong with that? Like that? That
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to me, that's enough. If you were a viable playoff
team on occasion sports fine. I think we forget how
much better sports is today than years ago. I mean,
go watch that HBO Max Bill Simmons series Celtic City.
Just just the outrageous racism. And I mean the NBA
was a tire fire in the seventies. They were they
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were putting the finals on tape delay. Our sports now
are unbelievable, They're really I mean they're the college kids
are getting paid. Women's basketball's on fire. I mean women
are encouraged to be great in sports. Our sports world
is it an amazing place.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Julian Edelman next, be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a im Pacific.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, we haven't had Julian edelan on in a long time.
He's got his own he's on the Fox NFL Kickoff.
And we just got out of free agency. We're moving
into the draft. I don't think it's a particularly strong draft.
I do want to ask you about free agency. So
there were some rumors recently about Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota,
and I thought to myself, I would wait if I
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was Aaron for Minnesota. Great coach indoors know the division
justin Jefferson and Minnesota. They brought in Darnold Daniel Jones,
but they wouldn't bring in Aaron even for a year.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Can I hear Mike?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Go ahead? Are you there? Yeah? I do agree with
that just for the simple situation. Look, let's let's let's
rewind back when Aaron Rodgers was a young Spry quarterback.
There was a quarterback in his room that was playing
the antics that Aaron Rodgers is literally playing now. And
Aaron picked up a lot of the habits of Brett farr.
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Let's not joke around about it. He's doing the same
things that Brett Farv did at the end of his career.
That doesn't happen by accident. So you have a young
quarterback in JJ McCarthy with the Vikings, with a quarterback
genius coach and Kevin O'Connell, and you just want to
throw in Aaron Rodgers, who you know Week eight last
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year on was great because he started to get that
chemistry that he doesn't get in the off season because
he doesn't do the off season. But he started to
get that. But you're also getting all the other noise
that you're gonna have with Aaron Rodgers, which is a
lot of distraction. And do you really want to go
into this locker room Minnesota that went to the NFC
Championship or went to the Divisional round last year and
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really put something in there that could mess with the
function way of what that locker room is. They're clearly
very confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Donald walk out
the door. We were talking about him being the MVP
until Week fourteen last year, which is crazy. So they
have a confidence they know what they want. I liked
that they didn't name him the starter because now he
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used to go on and earn it and you can't
just you know, put in this whole process, this plan
that you're preaching to the team, and the name a
kid who's never even played it down in the National
Football League the starting quarterback after some Donald leaves. So
I do agree, I just went on twenty different tangents.
I do agree that they didn't with them not bringing
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in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know, people have said about Aaron like Pittsburgh fans
are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture, and my
take is he's not really a football culture guy. Years ago,
in twenty twenty, a story came out where Green Bay
told Aaron don't be the problem. Since that article, this
would be his third team in four or five years,
and so I think Aaron has sent a very clear message.
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I am unapologetically independent. I am what I am. If
you sign me, I'm gonna want a couple of buddies
on the team. I'm okay with you as long as
you don't fool me. Whatever you like, like Gronks, like
I'll go to Tampa because I like the warm weather,
and I'm I don't like the cold weather. So like
he told everybody, cold weather teams not interested. So to me,
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you have to have a strong culture or Aaron can
kind of hijacket like the Jets. Like I think he
could go right now to a Detroit or to a
San Francisco. But like, for instance, there were a couple
of signings the Patriots made, Albert Hainsworth, Randy Maw. I
don't think Aaron fits a lot of cultures.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I agree, but I do think he fits the Steelers
culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional
that he is as a head coach and how he
communicates with players that he can make it work with
Aaron Rodgers, Like we didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown
until he left the Steelers. That is a magic power
by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise in the building.
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So if there's any place for Aaron Rodgers to probably
be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike
Tomlin would be a great guy for that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So when you look at the free agency, I'll tell
you a move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan
Diggs to the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better
when he left. He was a three in Houston and
they just paid him number one money. And my take
is the culture isn't set yet, and he can be
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a little noisy. Like in Houston, which is a city
that like accepts noise, he could be a bit noisy,
and I don't love it. Again, Drake May is growing,
he's not established. We surmised earlier today is they made
that move because Cleveland's gonna take Shadure and then the
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Giants are gonna take Travis Hunter. And Mike knows I
got fired when I lost aj Brown. We don't have
any receivers that they're looking at the draft and thinking
we're not gonna get Travis Hunter. Is it possible that's
what they're.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Doing, and that could be possible, But you know they
need to upgrade the receiver room. And what you do
get with Stefan Diggs is you get a professional. You
ask anyone around town, anyone around the league. The guy
works hard, he knows how to run every route and
he's a professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics,
but number two, I like Mike Rabel dealing with those
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antiques because he dealt with AJ Brown. He knows how
to deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear
anything out of AJ Brown. He's a very like alpha
type of guy that's played in the league that can
communicate with these guys. And then number three, he's pissed
off at the Bills still like, why wouldn't you want
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a little fire in a room, the receiver room for
the New England that hasn't performed in years. Why wouldn't
you want a little fire in there. That's what steph
Don Diggs is gonna bring. He's gonna bring some urgency,
which that room needs. He's gonna bring some motivation. Yes,
there's gonna be some other stuff, but I trust that
Mike Grabel will take care of that. Yes, he's got
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a young quarterback in Drake May. But we saw last
year how Stephan Diggs was with Stroud. He was a
different guy than he was with Alan. He understood, he
matured a little bit over the year. He evolved his
game and his attitude, and I expect him to do
the same thing. And here and if you look at
the money, what's it a three year deal? Thirty six
million guaranteed. That's a two year or thirty seven that's
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two year, fifteen million dollar deal. Guys are making forty
milliion dollars now a year, so that's not a big deal.
That's what where he's probably slated for the receiver he
is in his career.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
When you were with the Patriots, and the Patriots missed
on a lot of receivers and so this after Chad Jackson,
they sort of stopped until Nikkeil Harriet. They didn't draft
a lot of first round guys. How long would it
take you when you're with a good football team New
England to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and
that guy can't. Every team has busts. Every single team,
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the great gms have whifted Bill Polianwift. Were there times
after the draft first camp you're like, we'll think that
guy's gonna make it.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know, if you're a first round guy, you got
to you got a superpower of some sort, right, right,
So you want to see that superpower. And yes, you're
in diapers with you know, shells and off off season workouts,
but there's always something that you can see in an
explosive movement a guy body up, a guy for the
ball and Steve like he's a little kid, or or
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the speed of some guy. You see that first round talent,
like where something is if he's going to be able
to help right away.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah. So I'm a fan of Shador Sanders, And one
of the reasons I'm a fan is he had a
terrible online in college. He trailed in all the games,
he had no run game, and he completed seventy four
percent of his throws. So you played with arguably the
most accurate, consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather
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thrower I've ever seen in Brady. And my thing is
some guys are accurate and some guys aren't and like
Cam was never going to complete sixty eight percent. Anthony
Richardson's not that accurate. Like I watched the door and
I'm like, bro is running for his life, trailing, so
everybody knows he's throwing seventy four percent. Like I don't
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believe you can go from inaccurate to really accurate, and
so now you can go from inaccurate to sixty one percent.
But in all your years, of all the backups, wasn't
Garoppolo accurate?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Early? Yeah? He was very accurate.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The thing was quarterbacked.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I wasn't accurate as when I went to receiver
with Shador. For me, it's not the accuracy. And you
look at all the stats. He was sacked the most
the last two years his career in college, he's been
sacked the most. Set a few records on that, which
you know a lot of times, yes, it's the offensive
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line's fault, but it's also you know it's it could
be the quarterback's fault. So a lot some of those
can be on him. My number one thing with Shadoor
is can he break down the protections. He's not a
mobile guy, he's a pocket passer. We all keep on
saying he's a pocket passer. So for me, if I'm
a general manager, if I'm a team, I want to
see how good he is with his protections because there's
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going to be a day where your left tackle can't
He's not going to be able to block the guy
across from him, So you're gonna have to slide the protection.
You're gonna have to get the ball out quicker. You're
gonna have to adjust your game. So him being able
to adjust his game over these last couple of years
because of all the pressure, that could help him, but
it also could hurt him because now he holds onto
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the ball too long. It's ultimately gonna come down to
the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that
relationship and how he handles protections.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Brock Purty is trying to get a massive deal, and
the Niners have publicly stated, we're not handing out cash
like we used to in your years in the NFL.
If a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what
he wants, is their resentment.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I may have resented Bill every day in contract I signed.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Really, I mean the.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Usually a deal usually they find a place where both
ends are happy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Generally, you found a place.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I found a place I understood I wasn't gonna you know,
for me personally, I always took team friendly ish deals
because I understood what I was a part of. I
understood that I'd have my most success in New England
because we were winning. I understood that, you know, if
I go to another team and that coaching staff gets
fired and you're in the middle of nowhere and you
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ain't making no money off the field, like I understood
all that when I was signing with New England. I
think that's a huge part of the evaluation process for
the player and the situation. A lot of the times, guys,
you know, want the biggest dollar, but you know, for instance,
you look at like Darnold, he goes and he signs
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with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota
signed him for, because he's basically playing a one year
deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's
gonna try to hit free agency again.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And a defensive coach and a.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Defensive coach, I would have took probably six seven million
dollars less to have my one year deal with Justin
Jefferson and Addison and a coach that knows how to
call plays for me if I'm going to try to
hit it again, even if I wasn't going to be
the guy this year. You know, that's kind of what
you're evaluating as a player. It's not just the most money.
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If that's your goal, there's other ways to make the money.
It's not always about doing on the field. So doing
it through your winning, through the community of where you're at,
and those are all part of that evaluation process for
the players, so you know that that's the real thing.
What was that number that Sam Donald or the Minnesota
Vikings and Sam Donald didn't get.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think most of the smart athletes get winning trump's
everything because when your career ends, you'll get more deals
and the deals now on social media alone without a
seven figure deals without a doubt, casting deals without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So I think players should really take a look at
that when they're when they're looking at if they're number
one goal is money, Okay, you got to look at
everything because when you win and you're a champion, you
make that money forever. You know, you may not make
the money up front like you're making when you're you know,
had a team that's four and thirteen, and you guys
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don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy
in the league. You know, that's if that's your goal,
that's your goal. But you could also make money the
other way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Finally, I thought it was interesting Tom Brady was quoted.
Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation, he said. Eventually,
you know, I took a piece of paper and a
pen and I wrote down things that mattered to me
between Tampa and New England, and he acknowledges they had
really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know, also,
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the coach was offensive, the weather was better. I didn't
want to play in cold weather, and he acknowledged. He goes,
we reached a point where tension it was inevitable. How
I had to leave and say this down. I'll ask
this because it's out there. Tom's acknowledging the tension. Do
you remember the first time, the first time I knew
Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the wide
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receivers get open, and it was on television. I thought, Okay,
I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why
I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa. And he
also liked the Chargers that had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
He wanted receivers. As you left, like it was like, okay,
gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought
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Tom's cranky today or Bill treated him away and you
just you didn't like.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It, you know, Bill. Bill was tough on everyone, And
I don't know. If I had my blinders on and
I thought everyone was on the same table, I may have.
You know. So if he got into Tom, he got
into Tom. If he got into Vince, he got into Vince.
If he got into Ninkovic, he got into Ninkovic, he
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got into Slater, got into Slater. But when it was Tom,
it was different. And the thing is, you Tom he
had a really good poker face. Even when you could
tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was
maybe a little frustrated with certain things, he didn't let
it affect him. And that's why he's an ultra leader,
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and that's why he's the greatest leader of all time,
you know what I mean, Because we all kind of
knew what was going on. He felt the tension, but
he didn't see it from Tom. He didn't show nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He didn't let it seep in.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
He didn't let it seep in. He went to work.
He was the same guy every day. He like yes,
emotions in the game when he says, oh, get open, guys,
that's gonna happen. That's it's an emotional game. You're in
the heat of battle. But like, you didn't really see
any kind of frustration from Tom. And that's because he
always had a real I knew personally there were certain things,
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but you know, he never let everyone know. And that's
that's what a good leader looks like.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, Games with Names, new episode every Tuesday. Pooka Nakua
is on yours. You gotta tell him stop talking about retirement.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I know. I agree, you can't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't either. There's you know I agree with you
on that. I think he's just being He was a
little young, got a little excited in front of the microphone.
You know, I'm telling you sometimes you get comfortable on
the setting and you start talking and you don't understand
what you're saying. Uh, But you definitely don't want to
tell an organization that you you don't want to cap
your career because.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Gms don't care about work life balance.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
No, they don't, they don't. They care about This is
a production business, that's what they say. This is anything
goes out, he balls and it does it. It's fine.
But still you just gotta loose sleeps loose lips, sink ships,
bro and careers and careers. He'll be all right, He'll
be all right.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're all right, Julian Edelman, Thanks Buddy, good seeing you
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Speaker 1 (22:03):
Had the Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred stopped by today. Also
Julian Edelman stop by, keeping it pretty busy. Draft three
and a half weeks away. Here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No news, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
There's an Aaron Rodgers up date coming in about four minutes.
You're gonna love all right, let's get started with OKC,
how about it? The Thunder became the first team to
hit sixty wins this season.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Take it down.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
The Kings last night Thunder of one fourteen and fifteen
eleven straight on the road, and they have the single
season highest point differential of all time. Colin the numbers
are saying this thunder team, Yeah, he's going to the finals.
You and I kind of sort of disagree. Are they
not getting enough respect.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
From the pundits?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They're getting plenty of it. They're Cleveland, They're Cleveland a
year ago. They're a year away regular season team and
they're gonna you just wait and see it. I will
say this. I watched last night Chet Holmgren. I have
hair envy. I guy's got good hair.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I just think they're fine and you can see what's
gonna now if they made the finals, would we be surprised? No.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So, I mean they're a really good team.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And they're in the regular season because they're so deep
and their style, I mean, they play really good defense.
They come at you with incredible intensity and that overwhelms
a lot of older teams that have some load management dudes,
like the Clippers or the Lakers. You can get into
a situation where they they roll into I mean, it's
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SGA is playing every game. It's like the Celtics, Jason
Tatum's playing every game. If you're not ready to go
with their intensity, they're gonna walk over you. And you know,
Denver the other nio Yo kitch is out and then
Lebron is out some of these older teams Milwaukee now
Dame's out. So if you if you're deep, talented, in
play hard, you gonna win a lot of games in
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this league in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I know, I joke about the Thunder all the time.
I'll give him credit. They're really well built to handle anything.
They got two bigs, Hart.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And Stein and Check.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
So if they have to face Jokic, they got bodies.
If they got to face the MAVs bigs, they got dudes.
And then they face the Lakers. I don't know that
Hartenstein plays.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
That much against the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
They probably go small wing heavy to defend Lebron and Lucas.
So I think the Thunder really well built. Give a
shout out to Sam PRESTI I know he watches, so congrats.
Sim Next story is how about this one? Lebron's bringing
back his Mind the Game podcast, but he has a
new co host, Colin Steve Nash.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So Lebron's last co host.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Was a guy named JJ Reddick, who a few months
later wound up as the Lakers coach. Now Steve Nash,
who was jettison by the Nets after running into the
KD Kyrie disaster.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That was impossible staff, I mean, that was an impossible
lift for a coach, for a rookie coach, brutal.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So now Nash will be doing the Mind the Game
podcast with Lebron, and I wonder if Nash will suddenly
become a hot commodity as a potential head coach somewhere
around the league. Should Tom Thibodeau get run off by
the Knicks if they lose, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't think Nash would work after his disaster in Brooklyn.
I mean I was told by somebody that's close with
Steve that by the end he wanted to be let
go like it was I'll go back to Manhattan Beach
and play tennis like I don't want any part of this.
I think Nash can car. I think he like a
Steve Kerr or a JJ Reddick, smart dude knows the game.
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But I mean sometimes it's just fit. Like never forget
Steve Kerr turned down the next job. When Phil Jackson
was there, He's like, no, this isn't the right job
because Steve Kerr would have been fired. Yes, Like in
the NBA, you're as good as your star is committed.
Joe Mizzoula's first year, we were saying he's a little
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over his skis. By the second year, Like, Choe Mizzoula's good.
Why because Jason Brown, Jason Tatum, and Jaylen Brown are
totally committed and totally professional. So you know, and I'm
not banging, but Harden and Kyrie was in this fields
and Kevin was the easy guy to deal with. So
in this league, you're as good as your best star.
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When you had John Stockton and Malone, Jerry Sloan new
those guys are gonna play a lot of games, are
gonna play hard, and they're gonna score twenty five points.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
And listen, nash Is, I'll just say this, he is
a very intelligent guy. Not only is it great tennis player,
he's an amazing soccer player. He's just a great athlete
and a really nice guy. I predict he's gonna be around.
He's gonna be coaching again within the next rue.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For Jason Kidd's first NBA job wasn't great. He bounced
back and now he's considered a very good coach. Yeah yeah, excellent.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
All right, now, let's get to the Aaron Rodgers news
that's just starting to break here. According to Vikings GM
koisi Adolfo Mensa, he has confirmed that Kevin O'Connell spoke
to Aaron Rodgers about the quarterback opening in Minnesota. Now
I say opening because there's still some discussion about whether
or not JJ McCarthy's the guy. They spoke the Vikings
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did to Aaron Rodgers. They decided to pass. They're happy
with their quarterback room here. Albert Breer just posted this
right now. We're happy with our quarterback room at every checkpoint,
whether it was the draft process or practice until the
injury the off season.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Now this is the Vikings GM.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
JJ McCarthy has met the bar, so they like what
they see from McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
They spoke to Rogers.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
And decided to pass on the multiple time MVP who
has won a Super Bowl Colin. This has to be
a major ding to the ego of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
That's why he's gone dark. He's not talking to anybody
right now.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You guys picked JJ. He's never thrown an NFL pass
coming up with an injury.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Two of them to him over me.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, and and the Vikings would have kept Darnold for
the right number. So the Vikings are telling you we'll
take Sam Arnold and JJ McCarthy both over Erin. So
my guess is, if it's gonna come in the next
few days, that would probably be Pittsburgh or retirement.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I think this to me, I would retire that the
Vikings are revealing this that Hey, we spoke to Aaron.
Now he's going dark. I wonder if he's just like,
you know what, screwed, almost like Belichick, how no NFL
teams wanted him. He went back to college. There's no
other place for Rogers to go. Remember Belichick was.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, Pittsburgh's not gonna
end well. Battle line, defensive culture and two receivers that
are that bring maintenance and no nause Harris and Burrow
and Lamar Jackson. I don't I mean, I if I
was Aaron, I would call it a career.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
And what does it say that the Giants were like,
let's pass on them. And now the Vikings no thanks, Colin.
This is this is we saw him maybe lay off,
you know, as a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm not no, I'm not being I'm saying I think
his legacy is better serve retirement. I think he can go. Hey,
my last ten games in New York, I played well,
but I had a great career. I'm done. Does he
Let me tell you this. I trust the Jets on
line next year more than the Steelers. Oh that's a take,
because the Jets at least have a left tackle out
of Penn State. Yeah, and they have an interior alignment
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Elijah bah Tucker.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I like he's good.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Their center showed well, he showed well. I forget where
he's from, but that's not sound bad take Jets offensive.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Jets line will be better at this next year than
the Steelers missing their left tackle because it's not a
great tackle draft.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
So you know, listen this show. You and Rodgers have
had a many many year. Uh you've been a talking point.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
For Rogers obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, any of your takes to go viral?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
I don't, And I'm just if this is the end
he saw first ballot Hall of Fame, no doubt, certainly.
Does he just fall off the map or is he's
still like a talk Do we still talk about it?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Brady's been gone, we still talk about him.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The one thing like I could say nine nice things
about Aaron Hall of Famer. Think he's bright, he's unapologetically independent.
He tells you who he is if you can't deal
with it. I don't have a problem with his podcast weekly.
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I do think you're better off finishing camp and not
going to Egypt, but that's not a big deal. The
vaccine stuff doesn't bother me in retrospect. I mean it.
He probably should have been more open, but a lot
of people fibbed. I don't care. I've watched his documentary.
I read the book by Een O'Connor. I'm not anti Aaron.
I don't think however, I think, and I know this
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from people that have played with him. He can be moody,
he can be prickly. He can be passive aggressive. I
don't love those as leadership traits. But I've said this before.
A Rod was more talented than Jeter. Jeter was built
to be a better leader because of his childhood and
his upbringing. He was just a better leader Tom and
the stability of his family was built to be a
better leader than Aaron. Aaron had a ton of talent,
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So some of this says just how you're raised the
family dynamic. Aaron's had some combativeness with the family. Tom's
had none. So a lot of Aaron stuff. We saw
the day he was drafted. He had a chip on
his shoulder of the day he was drafted. So I'm
not I got nothing against him if I saw him, Hey,
how are you? But Aaron tends to be somebody that
like he hears everything and he holds grudges. Kevin Durant's
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got a little bit of that, But Durant's not a grudgeholder.
Durant will literally go after you on social media and laugh.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
He's not ducking this. No, No, Roger kep ducking.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Kevin is good natured. Kevin Durant, I think is a
good natured guy who will he'll go I mean, Kevin
Durant would walk up to me if I saw me
and say, two months ago, you said this, That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard, and he would say it
with a smile on his face. Aaron would just not
look at you, And I think he's a little a
little darker that way. But having consumed every game, his
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docs and his books, I think Aaron it proves like
Kyler Murray or Jay Cutler, Jeff George or Cam Newton.
They're all humans, they're all different. Brady is textbook, but
that's that's the ideal for the record. Kobe Bryant tough
on teammates, Michael Jordan tough in Washington teammates. So Aaron
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wouldn't be the first guy that can be, you know,
a little passive aggressive.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
And we know endings are not always pretty with emotly
not everybody can have John always ending they're mostly not.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Or Peyton Manning winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Brady Jeter Elway the reason you remember him, they're so
unique great. Michael Jordan's was a mess.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Horrible with the Do you remember Eli Manning? I know
he won two Super Bowls? He's a full They benched him.
It was awful, Like it was so bad, jo awful.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's tough and and you.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Know, go to the NBA. Patrick Ewing, he was like
in Seattle and there's a picture of him wearing a
raptor's jersey with a dinosaur.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Olajah one I think played on like the some random
team and you're like, Ohl was one played for them?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
It's tough man with sports. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Jmck with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think it's isn't it you ing in a Raptors jersey,
Like there's just a picture. You're like, wow, might have
been Sonics.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't know one of those two. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So yeah, I retirement. You know the one or two
people I know that have retired about a month in,
they're like, this is a pretty good life, not getting
tackled blindsided. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. It's the
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
And by the way, the commissioner Rob Manfred showed up
just about an hour ago, and we did We did
ask him about potentially a salary cap.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's important for our smaller markets to do something more
than qualified for the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Right, there's a difference.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Between getting into to the first round and going deeper
in the playoffs. There are five major North American sports
Countain soccer. Four of them have a cap.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
We do hear a lot about it from fans, particularly
in smaller markets, but the reality is we're, you know,
two years away from the end of the basic agreement.
We're just not in a position where we are talking
about or have made decisions about what's ahead in the
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next round of arguining.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So, and let me push back on that. I don't
think organizations have a right to a world series. If
you make the playoffs in baseball because of the season's length,
you've given a city an amazing six months. I mean
it's you know, think about how great the Packers have
been farv got one. Super Bowl, Aaron got one. I mean,
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Kansas City Royals got one. I mean that's the reality.
So this idea that, well, okay, callin. You're right, a
lot of teams with lower payrolls can make the playoffs.
But that's enough. There's no guarantee. You think how good
Mark Cubans Mavericks were one championship and they were underdogs
in it. So the idea that, I mean when the
last time the Jets were a Super Bowl contender. So
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the idea that that, well, if you got to do
more than make the playoffs, no they don't. If Oklahoma
City never wins. They got to a final with Kevin Durant,
Westbrook Harden, but they never win a final with this group.
But they get to several again, Jerry West lost eight
times to the Celtics in the finals, seven or eight times.
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There is no right. If you're getting to the finals,
you're getting into the playoffs. In baseball, that's better than
half the sport that's a great I mean, I'm a
Mariner fan growing up. Playoffs. Let me do a Jim
Morrill playoffs playoffs. So this idea that, well, we don't.
We never won a World Series. You know what, Royals
you got one, Rangers, she got one. Nat she got one.
(02:45):
You're probably not getting two. That's okay. There are even
in college football, perdue, should we shut the program down?
They're never gonna win a Natty. In college football, there
are universities that just have to They have geographical and
financial advantages. Ohio's got more good players, so does Florida,
Texas in southern California and Miami they got more good players.
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That's why they went to Nashville. College sports is really inequitable.
I mean, there's some of these cold weather northern How
many good high school players does Wisconsin have? Just getting
to a Rose Bowl that's all you're gonna get. You're
not gonna win a Natty at Wisconsin and the and
the truth is is the Tampa Bay Raids are probably
not gonna win a World Series. But if you're getting
to the playoffs, what's wrong with that? Like that? That
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to me, that's enough. If you were a viable playoff
team on occasion sports fine. I think we forget how
much better sports is today than years ago. I mean,
go watch that HBO Max Bill Simmons series Celtic City.
Just just the outrageous racism. And I mean the NBA
was a tire fire in the seventies. They were they
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were putting the finals on tape delay. Our sports now
are unbelievable, They're really I mean they're the college kids
are getting paid. Women's basketball's on fire. I mean women
are encouraged to be great in sports. Our sports world
is it an amazing place.
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Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well, we haven't had Julian edelan on in a long time.
He's got his own he's on the Fox NFL Kickoff.
And we just got out of free agency. We're moving
into the draft. I don't think it's a particularly strong draft.
I do want to ask you about free agency. So
there were some rumors recently about Aaron Rodgers in Minnesota,
and I thought to myself, I would wait if I
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was Aaron for Minnesota. Great coach indoors know the division
justin Jefferson and Minnesota. They brought in Darnold Daniel Jones,
but they wouldn't bring in Aaron even for a year.
Do you agree with that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I do agree with that.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Can I hear Mike?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Go ahead? Are you there? Yeah? I do agree with
that just for the simple situation. Look, let's let's let's
rewind back when Aaron Rodgers was a young Spry quarterback.
There was a quarterback in his room that was playing
the antics that Aaron Rodgers is literally playing now. And
Aaron picked up a lot of the habits of Brett farr.
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Let's not joke around about it. He's doing the same
things that Brett Farv did at the end of his career.
That doesn't happen by accident. So you have a young
quarterback in JJ McCarthy with the Vikings, with a quarterback
genius coach and Kevin O'Connell, and you just want to
throw in Aaron Rodgers, who you know Week eight last
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year on was great because he started to get that
chemistry that he doesn't get in the off season because
he doesn't do the off season. But he started to
get that. But you're also getting all the other noise
that you're gonna have with Aaron Rodgers, which is a
lot of distraction. And do you really want to go
into this locker room Minnesota that went to the NFC
Championship or went to the Divisional round last year and
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really put something in there that could mess with the
function way of what that locker room is. They're clearly
very confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Donald walk out
the door. We were talking about him being the MVP
until Week fourteen last year, which is crazy. So they
have a confidence they know what they want. I liked
that they didn't name him the starter because now he
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used to go on and earn it and you can't
just you know, put in this whole process, this plan
that you're preaching to the team, and the name a
kid who's never even played it down in the National
Football League the starting quarterback after some Donald leaves. So
I do agree, I just went on twenty different tangents.
I do agree that they didn't with them not bringing
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in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know, people have said about Aaron like Pittsburgh fans
are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture, and my
take is he's not really a football culture guy. Years ago,
in twenty twenty, a story came out where Green Bay
told Aaron don't be the problem. Since that article, this
would be his third team in four or five years,
and so I think Aaron has sent a very clear message.
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I am unapologetically independent. I am what I am. If
you sign me, I'm gonna want a couple of buddies
on the team. I'm okay with you as long as
you don't fool me. Whatever you like, like Gronks, like
I'll go to Tampa because I like the warm weather,
and I'm I don't like the cold weather. So like
he told everybody, cold weather teams not interested. So to me,
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you have to have a strong culture or Aaron can
kind of hijacket like the Jets. Like I think he
could go right now to a Detroit or to a
San Francisco. But like, for instance, there were a couple
of signings the Patriots made, Albert Hainsworth, Randy Maw. I
don't think Aaron fits a lot of cultures.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I agree, but I do think he fits the Steelers
culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional
that he is as a head coach and how he
communicates with players that he can make it work with
Aaron Rodgers, Like we didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown
until he left the Steelers. That is a magic power
by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise in the building.
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So if there's any place for Aaron Rodgers to probably
be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike
Tomlin would be a great guy for that.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
So when you look at the free agency, I'll tell
you a move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan
Diggs to the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better
when he left. He was a three in Houston and
they just paid him number one money. And my take
is the culture isn't set yet, and he can be
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a little noisy. Like in Houston, which is a city
that like accepts noise, he could be a bit noisy,
and I don't love it. Again, Drake May is growing,
he's not established. We surmised earlier today is they made
that move because Cleveland's gonna take Shadure and then the
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Giants are gonna take Travis Hunter. And Mike knows I
got fired when I lost aj Brown. We don't have
any receivers that they're looking at the draft and thinking
we're not gonna get Travis Hunter. Is it possible that's
what they're.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Doing, and that could be possible, But you know they
need to upgrade the receiver room. And what you do
get with Stefan Diggs is you get a professional. You
ask anyone around town, anyone around the league. The guy
works hard, he knows how to run every route and
he's a professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics,
but number two, I like Mike Rabel dealing with those
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antiques because he dealt with AJ Brown. He knows how
to deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear
anything out of AJ Brown. He's a very like alpha
type of guy that's played in the league that can
communicate with these guys. And then number three, he's pissed
off at the Bills still like, why wouldn't you want
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a little fire in a room, the receiver room for
the New England that hasn't performed in years. Why wouldn't
you want a little fire in there. That's what steph
Don Diggs is gonna bring. He's gonna bring some urgency,
which that room needs. He's gonna bring some motivation. Yes,
there's gonna be some other stuff, but I trust that
Mike Grabel will take care of that. Yes, he's got
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a young quarterback in Drake May. But we saw last
year how Stephan Diggs was with Stroud. He was a
different guy than he was with Alan. He understood, he
matured a little bit over the year. He evolved his
game and his attitude, and I expect him to do
the same thing. And here and if you look at
the money, what's it a three year deal? Thirty six
million guaranteed. That's a two year or thirty seven that's
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two year, fifteen million dollar deal. Guys are making forty
milliion dollars now a year, so that's not a big deal.
That's what where he's probably slated for the receiver he
is in his career.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
When you were with the Patriots, and the Patriots missed
on a lot of receivers and so this after Chad Jackson,
they sort of stopped until Nikkeil Harriet. They didn't draft
a lot of first round guys. How long would it
take you when you're with a good football team New
England to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and
that guy can't. Every team has busts. Every single team,
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the great gms have whifted Bill Polianwift. Were there times
after the draft first camp you're like, we'll think that
guy's gonna make it.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Yeah, plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
You know, if you're a first round guy, you got
to you got a superpower of some sort, right, right,
So you want to see that superpower. And yes, you're
in diapers with you know, shells and off off season workouts,
but there's always something that you can see in an
explosive movement a guy body up, a guy for the
ball and Steve like he's a little kid, or or
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the speed of some guy. You see that first round talent,
like where something is if he's going to be able
to help right away.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah. So I'm a fan of Shador Sanders, And one
of the reasons I'm a fan is he had a
terrible online in college. He trailed in all the games,
he had no run game, and he completed seventy four
percent of his throws. So you played with arguably the
most accurate, consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather
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thrower I've ever seen in Brady. And my thing is
some guys are accurate and some guys aren't and like
Cam was never going to complete sixty eight percent. Anthony
Richardson's not that accurate. Like I watched the door and
I'm like, bro is running for his life, trailing, so
everybody knows he's throwing seventy four percent. Like I don't
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believe you can go from inaccurate to really accurate, and
so now you can go from inaccurate to sixty one percent.
But in all your years, of all the backups, wasn't
Garoppolo accurate?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Early? Yeah? He was very accurate.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
The thing was quarterbacked.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I wasn't accurate as when I went to receiver
with Shador. For me, it's not the accuracy. And you
look at all the stats. He was sacked the most
the last two years his career in college, he's been
sacked the most. Set a few records on that, which
you know a lot of times, yes, it's the offensive
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line's fault, but it's also you know it's it could
be the quarterback's fault. So a lot some of those
can be on him. My number one thing with Shadoor
is can he break down the protections. He's not a
mobile guy, he's a pocket passer. We all keep on
saying he's a pocket passer. So for me, if I'm
a general manager, if I'm a team, I want to
see how good he is with his protections because there's
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going to be a day where your left tackle can't
He's not going to be able to block the guy
across from him, So you're gonna have to slide the protection.
You're gonna have to get the ball out quicker. You're
gonna have to adjust your game. So him being able
to adjust his game over these last couple of years
because of all the pressure, that could help him, but
it also could hurt him because now he holds onto
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the ball too long. It's ultimately gonna come down to
the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that
relationship and how he handles protections.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Brock Purty is trying to get a massive deal, and
the Niners have publicly stated, we're not handing out cash
like we used to in your years in the NFL.
If a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what
he wants, is their resentment.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I may have resented Bill every day in contract I signed.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Really, I mean the.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Usually a deal usually they find a place where both
ends are happy.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Generally, you found a place.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I found a place I understood I wasn't gonna you know,
for me personally, I always took team friendly ish deals
because I understood what I was a part of. I
understood that I'd have my most success in New England
because we were winning. I understood that, you know, if
I go to another team and that coaching staff gets
fired and you're in the middle of nowhere and you
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ain't making no money off the field, like I understood
all that when I was signing with New England. I
think that's a huge part of the evaluation process for
the player and the situation. A lot of the times, guys,
you know, want the biggest dollar, but you know, for instance,
you look at like Darnold, he goes and he signs
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with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota
signed him for, because he's basically playing a one year
deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's
gonna try to hit free agency again.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
And a defensive coach and a.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Defensive coach, I would have took probably six seven million
dollars less to have my one year deal with Justin
Jefferson and Addison and a coach that knows how to
call plays for me if I'm going to try to
hit it again, even if I wasn't going to be
the guy this year. You know, that's kind of what
you're evaluating as a player. It's not just the most money.
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If that's your goal, there's other ways to make the money.
It's not always about doing on the field. So doing
it through your winning, through the community of where you're at,
and those are all part of that evaluation process for
the players, so you know that that's the real thing.
What was that number that Sam Donald or the Minnesota
Vikings and Sam Donald didn't get.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think most of the smart athletes get winning trump's
everything because when your career ends, you'll get more deals
and the deals now on social media alone without a
seven figure deals without a doubt, casting deals without a doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
So I think players should really take a look at
that when they're when they're looking at if they're number
one goal is money, Okay, you got to look at
everything because when you win and you're a champion, you
make that money forever. You know, you may not make
the money up front like you're making when you're you know,
had a team that's four and thirteen, and you guys
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don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy
in the league. You know, that's if that's your goal,
that's your goal. But you could also make money the
other way.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Finally, I thought it was interesting Tom Brady was quoted.
Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation, he said. Eventually,
you know, I took a piece of paper and a
pen and I wrote down things that mattered to me
between Tampa and New England, and he acknowledges they had
really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know, also,
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the coach was offensive, the weather was better. I didn't
want to play in cold weather, and he acknowledged. He goes,
we reached a point where tension it was inevitable. How
I had to leave and say this down. I'll ask
this because it's out there. Tom's acknowledging the tension. Do
you remember the first time, the first time I knew
Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the wide
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receivers get open, and it was on television. I thought, Okay,
I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why
I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa. And he
also liked the Chargers that had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams.
He wanted receivers. As you left, like it was like, okay,
gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought
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Tom's cranky today or Bill treated him away and you
just you didn't like.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
It, you know, Bill. Bill was tough on everyone, And
I don't know. If I had my blinders on and
I thought everyone was on the same table, I may have.
You know. So if he got into Tom, he got
into Tom. If he got into Vince, he got into Vince.
If he got into Ninkovic, he got into Ninkovic, he
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got into Slater, got into Slater. But when it was Tom,
it was different. And the thing is, you Tom he
had a really good poker face. Even when you could
tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was
maybe a little frustrated with certain things, he didn't let
it affect him. And that's why he's an ultra leader,
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and that's why he's the greatest leader of all time,
you know what I mean, Because we all kind of
knew what was going on. He felt the tension, but
he didn't see it from Tom. He didn't show nobody.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
He didn't let it seep in.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
He didn't let it seep in. He went to work.
He was the same guy every day. He like yes,
emotions in the game when he says, oh, get open, guys,
that's gonna happen. That's it's an emotional game. You're in
the heat of battle. But like, you didn't really see
any kind of frustration from Tom. And that's because he
always had a real I knew personally there were certain things,
(19:54):
but you know, he never let everyone know. And that's
that's what a good leader looks like.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, Games with Names, new episode every Tuesday. Pooka Nakua
is on yours. You gotta tell him stop talking about retirement.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I know. I agree, you can't.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't either. There's you know I agree with you
on that. I think he's just being He was a
little young, got a little excited in front of the microphone.
You know, I'm telling you sometimes you get comfortable on
the setting and you start talking and you don't understand
what you're saying. Uh, But you definitely don't want to
tell an organization that you you don't want to cap
your career because.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Gms don't care about work life balance.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
No, they don't, they don't. They care about This is
a production business, that's what they say. This is anything
goes out, he balls and it does it. It's fine.
But still you just gotta loose sleeps loose lips, sink ships,
bro and careers and careers. He'll be all right, He'll
be all right.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're all right, Julian Edelman, Thanks Buddy, good seeing you
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Speaker 1 (22:03):
Had the Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred stopped by today. Also
Julian Edelman stop by, keeping it pretty busy. Draft three
and a half weeks away. Here's j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
No news, this is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (22:24):
There's an Aaron Rodgers up date coming in about four minutes.
You're gonna love all right, let's get started with OKC,
how about it? The Thunder became the first team to
hit sixty wins this season.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Take it down.
Speaker 6 (22:35):
The Kings last night Thunder of one fourteen and fifteen
eleven straight on the road, and they have the single
season highest point differential of all time. Colin the numbers
are saying this thunder team, Yeah, he's going to the finals.
You and I kind of sort of disagree. Are they
not getting enough respect.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
From the pundits?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They're getting plenty of it. They're Cleveland, They're Cleveland a
year ago. They're a year away regular season team and
they're gonna you just wait and see it. I will
say this. I watched last night Chet Holmgren. I have
hair envy. I guy's got good hair.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I just think they're fine and you can see what's
gonna now if they made the finals, would we be surprised? No.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
So, I mean they're a really good team.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And they're in the regular season because they're so deep
and their style, I mean, they play really good defense.
They come at you with incredible intensity and that overwhelms
a lot of older teams that have some load management dudes,
like the Clippers or the Lakers. You can get into
a situation where they they roll into I mean, it's
(23:42):
SGA is playing every game. It's like the Celtics, Jason
Tatum's playing every game. If you're not ready to go
with their intensity, they're gonna walk over you. And you know,
Denver the other nio Yo kitch is out and then
Lebron is out some of these older teams Milwaukee now
Dame's out. So if you if you're deep, talented, in
play hard, you gonna win a lot of games in
(24:02):
this league in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
I know, I joke about the Thunder all the time.
I'll give him credit. They're really well built to handle anything.
They got two bigs, Hart.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
And Stein and Check.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
So if they have to face Jokic, they got bodies.
If they got to face the MAVs bigs, they got dudes.
And then they face the Lakers. I don't know that
Hartenstein plays.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
That much against the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
They probably go small wing heavy to defend Lebron and Lucas.
So I think the Thunder really well built. Give a
shout out to Sam PRESTI I know he watches, so congrats.
Sim Next story is how about this one? Lebron's bringing
back his Mind the Game podcast, but he has a
new co host, Colin Steve Nash.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So Lebron's last co host.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Was a guy named JJ Reddick, who a few months
later wound up as the Lakers coach. Now Steve Nash,
who was jettison by the Nets after running into the
KD Kyrie disaster.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That was impossible staff, I mean, that was an impossible
lift for a coach, for a rookie coach, brutal.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
So now Nash will be doing the Mind the Game
podcast with Lebron, and I wonder if Nash will suddenly
become a hot commodity as a potential head coach somewhere
around the league. Should Tom Thibodeau get run off by
the Knicks if they lose, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't think Nash would work after his disaster in Brooklyn.
I mean I was told by somebody that's close with
Steve that by the end he wanted to be let
go like it was I'll go back to Manhattan Beach
and play tennis like I don't want any part of this.
I think Nash can car. I think he like a
Steve Kerr or a JJ Reddick, smart dude knows the game.
(25:36):
But I mean sometimes it's just fit. Like never forget
Steve Kerr turned down the next job. When Phil Jackson
was there, He's like, no, this isn't the right job
because Steve Kerr would have been fired. Yes, Like in
the NBA, you're as good as your star is committed.
Joe Mizzoula's first year, we were saying he's a little
(25:57):
over his skis. By the second year, Like, Choe Mizzoula's good.
Why because Jason Brown, Jason Tatum, and Jaylen Brown are
totally committed and totally professional. So you know, and I'm
not banging, but Harden and Kyrie was in this fields
and Kevin was the easy guy to deal with. So
in this league, you're as good as your best star.
(26:19):
When you had John Stockton and Malone, Jerry Sloan new
those guys are gonna play a lot of games, are
gonna play hard, and they're gonna score twenty five points.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
And listen, nash Is, I'll just say this, he is
a very intelligent guy. Not only is it great tennis player,
he's an amazing soccer player. He's just a great athlete
and a really nice guy. I predict he's gonna be around.
He's gonna be coaching again within the next rue.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
For Jason Kidd's first NBA job wasn't great. He bounced
back and now he's considered a very good coach. Yeah yeah, excellent.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
All right, now, let's get to the Aaron Rodgers news
that's just starting to break here. According to Vikings GM
koisi Adolfo Mensa, he has confirmed that Kevin O'Connell spoke
to Aaron Rodgers about the quarterback opening in Minnesota. Now
I say opening because there's still some discussion about whether
or not JJ McCarthy's the guy. They spoke the Vikings
(27:07):
did to Aaron Rodgers. They decided to pass. They're happy
with their quarterback room here. Albert Breer just posted this
right now. We're happy with our quarterback room at every checkpoint,
whether it was the draft process or practice until the
injury the off season.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Now this is the Vikings GM.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
JJ McCarthy has met the bar, so they like what
they see from McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
They spoke to Rogers.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
And decided to pass on the multiple time MVP who
has won a Super Bowl Colin. This has to be
a major ding to the ego of Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
That's why he's gone dark. He's not talking to anybody
right now.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You guys picked JJ. He's never thrown an NFL pass
coming up with an injury.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Two of them to him over me.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, and and the Vikings would have kept Darnold for
the right number. So the Vikings are telling you we'll
take Sam Arnold and JJ McCarthy both over Erin. So
my guess is, if it's gonna come in the next
few days, that would probably be Pittsburgh or retirement.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I think this to me, I would retire that the
Vikings are revealing this that Hey, we spoke to Aaron.
Now he's going dark. I wonder if he's just like,
you know what, screwed, almost like Belichick, how no NFL
teams wanted him. He went back to college. There's no
other place for Rogers to go. Remember Belichick was.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, Pittsburgh's not gonna
end well. Battle line, defensive culture and two receivers that
are that bring maintenance and no nause Harris and Burrow
and Lamar Jackson. I don't I mean, I if I
was Aaron, I would call it a career.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
And what does it say that the Giants were like,
let's pass on them. And now the Vikings no thanks, Colin.
This is this is we saw him maybe lay off,
you know, as a little harsh.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I'm not no, I'm not being I'm saying I think
his legacy is better serve retirement. I think he can go. Hey,
my last ten games in New York, I played well,
but I had a great career. I'm done. Does he
Let me tell you this. I trust the Jets on
line next year more than the Steelers. Oh that's a take,
because the Jets at least have a left tackle out
of Penn State. Yeah, and they have an interior alignment
(29:18):
Elijah bah Tucker.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I like he's good.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
Their center showed well, he showed well. I forget where
he's from, but that's not sound bad take Jets offensive.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Jets line will be better at this next year than
the Steelers missing their left tackle because it's not a
great tackle draft.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
So you know, listen this show. You and Rodgers have
had a many many year. Uh you've been a talking point.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
For Rogers obviously.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, any of your takes to go viral?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
I don't, And I'm just if this is the end
he saw first ballot Hall of Fame, no doubt, certainly.
Does he just fall off the map or is he's
still like a talk Do we still talk about it?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Brady's been gone, we still talk about him.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The one thing like I could say nine nice things
about Aaron Hall of Famer. Think he's bright, he's unapologetically independent.
He tells you who he is if you can't deal
with it. I don't have a problem with his podcast weekly.
(30:17):
I do think you're better off finishing camp and not
going to Egypt, but that's not a big deal. The
vaccine stuff doesn't bother me in retrospect. I mean it.
He probably should have been more open, but a lot
of people fibbed. I don't care. I've watched his documentary.
I read the book by Een O'Connor. I'm not anti Aaron.
I don't think however, I think, and I know this
(30:43):
from people that have played with him. He can be moody,
he can be prickly. He can be passive aggressive. I
don't love those as leadership traits. But I've said this before.
A Rod was more talented than Jeter. Jeter was built
to be a better leader because of his childhood and
his upbringing. He was just a better leader Tom and
the stability of his family was built to be a
better leader than Aaron. Aaron had a ton of talent,
(31:05):
So some of this says just how you're raised the
family dynamic. Aaron's had some combativeness with the family. Tom's
had none. So a lot of Aaron stuff. We saw
the day he was drafted. He had a chip on
his shoulder of the day he was drafted. So I'm
not I got nothing against him if I saw him, Hey,
how are you? But Aaron tends to be somebody that
like he hears everything and he holds grudges. Kevin Durant's
(31:28):
got a little bit of that, But Durant's not a grudgeholder.
Durant will literally go after you on social media and laugh.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
He's not ducking this. No, No, Roger kep ducking.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Kevin is good natured. Kevin Durant, I think is a
good natured guy who will he'll go I mean, Kevin
Durant would walk up to me if I saw me
and say, two months ago, you said this, That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard, and he would say it
with a smile on his face. Aaron would just not
look at you, And I think he's a little a
little darker that way. But having consumed every game, his
(32:01):
docs and his books, I think Aaron it proves like
Kyler Murray or Jay Cutler, Jeff George or Cam Newton.
They're all humans, they're all different. Brady is textbook, but
that's that's the ideal for the record. Kobe Bryant tough
on teammates, Michael Jordan tough in Washington teammates. So Aaron
(32:24):
wouldn't be the first guy that can be, you know,
a little passive aggressive.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
And we know endings are not always pretty with emotly
not everybody can have John always ending they're mostly not.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Or Peyton Manning winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Brady Jeter Elway the reason you remember him, they're so
unique great. Michael Jordan's was a mess.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
Horrible with the Do you remember Eli Manning? I know
he won two Super Bowls? He's a full They benched him.
It was awful, Like it was so bad, jo awful.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Man.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
It's tough and and you.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Know, go to the NBA. Patrick Ewing, he was like
in Seattle and there's a picture of him wearing a
raptor's jersey with a dinosaur.
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Olajah one I think played on like the some random
team and you're like, Ohl was one played for them?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
It's tough man with sports. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Jmck with the news, Well.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I think it's isn't it you ing in a Raptors jersey,
Like there's just a picture. You're like, wow, might have
been Sonics.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't know one of those two. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So yeah, I retirement. You know the one or two
people I know that have retired about a month in,
they're like, this is a pretty good life, not getting
tackled blindsided. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. It's the
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