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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Good College Football Day, Joel Klatt stopped by earlier Kenny Dillingham,
who just did an unbelievable job at Arizona State. For
those of you who are casuals in college football, the
one thing you may know about Arizona State, especially if
you're a New York Giants fan, is the running back
who got picked by the Giants in the fourth round,
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Cam Scatabo who had he had like twenty three hundred
yards scrimmage charts. He's just a machine as a player.
I'm really interested to see him in the nf I mean,
there's a long history of getting really good running backs
in the NFL the third, fourth, fifth round, so that
that's a compelling story. But I don't remember ever in
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college sports having a team picked for last. Scataboo is
just is just I don't there was a running back
years ago that played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that
had a little bit of the field, but I don't
think he had this guy's speed. Scataboo twenty four touchdown.
He is just a load out of the backfield, great hands.
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You know. It's funny all these years, you know, Herm
Edwards was there, and I mean they had some coaches.
We kept waiting for Arizona State to pop, and the
one year we're like, they're gonna they're not gonna be
any good. They got this Kenny Dillingham. She's a kid
we don't know about Kenny Dillingham, and they pop. So
I can't wait to talk to their young coach.
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Speaker 1 (02:02):
Cheers, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
This is the Herd line.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
News, all right, Colin, let's start with the NBA draft.
Interesting name pulls out and that is to Hod Pettiford,
a superstar at Auburn. I love this kid's game left.
He kind of reminds me of Jeff Tigue a little bit.
He was projected as a fringe first rounder. He's gonna
return to Auburn's I would have taken him in the lottery,
but I'm irrationally eye on him. I see some Kyrie
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Irving and this kid, he is going to have a
massive NIL package waiting for him at Auburn. And obviously
Auburn made a deep run into the Final four. But
we've seen a lot of guys return to school this week.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Colin, Yeah, you've.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Been on this for a little bit. Do you think
Nils kind of attracted No.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think Nil is not saving college basketball, but is
changing college basketball. These Europeans, these eighteen nineteen year old
European stars, they're leaving the Spanish leagues. They're coming over
to our colleges. Kids. I mean, I saw this story
last night from Kevin O'Connor had it and there's about
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six kids that are coming back to college basketball that
would be NBA players. I think the NBA loves it
because these eighteen year olds come in and I mean,
they just need to play more real games. And I
also think so I think college basketball is a buy
as a stock, absolutely a bye. I think this is
going to Ford. I mean we watched that team couple
of years ago. Nil was already underwear a Yukon and
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you don't ever know in college are these guys any good?
And then they go to the NBA and they're all
good players, and you're like, Okay, we're back to twenty
five years ago where if a guy dominated college basketball,
he was going to be a really nice NBA player.
Zach Edie was going to be a really nice NBA player.
But we went to about a twenty twenty five year
run where it was like you could be Player of
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the Year and you are at best a rotational dude,
sometimes off the bench. So I think this just it's
just Nil. If may drive people crazy, there's a lot
of change, I understand it, but it I think. I mean,
Auburn's gonna have an NBA guard now running in the
show like a real NBA player, just like I said
about Jamar Chase in college. That's an NFL player playing
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on Saturdays. He's clearly an NFL guy when he's like twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So remember last year Kentucky had two guys. Rob Dillingham,
who was on Minnesota, sat on the bench basically all
Seas couldn't get off the bench and Reached Shepherd who
went to Houston, and everybody's like, oh, reach Shepherd.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He's gonna be Rookie of the Year. He barely played.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
These guys could have gone back to school got a
big nil money from Kentucky. Instead they sat on the
bench in the NBA and maybe they'll pop next year.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think your point is a good one.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like at this stage, if I can make three million
dollars going back to a college campus pretending to go
to classes for six months, and then I get to
make a lot of money like Colin Nil, really helping
college basketball?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Next up, let's go to the Bengals defensive end Trey Hendrickson,
their best pass rusher, their best defender. He really wants
a new deal, and the Bengals said, you know, we're
reluctant to pay you.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Go seek a trade if you want one.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Hendrickson did that, then the Bengals wouldn't trade him. Cincinnati
still hasn't signed their first round pick, Shamar Stewart, an
head rusher from Texas A and m Colin. It's like,
you know, I don't want to bang on the Bengals
too much.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'll let you do that because you're good at that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But I don't understand their logic here with Hendrickson off
the field, Warren Sharp is posted some numbers on social media.
Their defense with alt Hendrickson is dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Lasting, like multiple categories. It's bleak. What is since he do?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I just I just feel like it's an organization that is.
I mean, at least they have an offensive coach and
good offensive pieces. But I mean, all these ownership groups
are getting four hundred and fifty million dollars checks annually
from the NFL. Build a bigger scouting staff, hit on
more of your draft picks in the middle rounds. Therefore
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you have cheaper labor. Therefore, you have to pay a quarterback,
a left tackle, a couple receivers, and an edge rusher.
And if you're gonna pay any defensive player. And the
Rams are doing this, They're gonna pay Jared Vers. Eventually
they're just gonna pay him. And Kansas City is doing
this with Chris Jones. The modern NFL is mostly spend
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your money on offense draft and keep your defense young
and inexpensive because it's an offensive league. But if you've
got to pay one or two defensive players. Do it
for an unbelievable front five player or maybe an elite
corner if you have Patrick Sartanan Denver, that's hard to
let go of. But I just think this is an
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easy decision to make. Of course, you pay me. He's
been a great Bengal and a great player.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
By the way, last two seasons, you want to guess
who leads the NFL in sacks, take a guess.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
A wild woe Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
There you go, and it's not particularly close.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Like he's been totally dominant, and he's said seen a
lot of double teams because they got nobody else on
the front line. I just did the Bengals an embarrassment.
Joe Burrow, you gotta let them milk?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Final story?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Can let's stick in that rotten division Cleveland Brown's quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Obviously there's a lot happening.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
When you're opening the show talking about OTA stats for
the Cleveland Browns, you know it's a big story. Okay,
Joe Flacco is the grizzled Vet and he is talking
to the media about how mentoring the rookie quarterbacks at
practice and what that's like.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
If I say I don't want to be a mentor.
I look bad if I say I do want to
be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that
doesn't care about being good and playing football. I tend
to try to be honest, and I've said I'm not
a mentor. I play football and in a quarterback room.
There's a lot of times already, there's been already a
ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have
a lot of experience and I can talk on things
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and hopefully they listen.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Hopefully kind of it. By the way, the best numbers
were Shader.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, hold on if Laco's essentially saying, why would I
mentor these guys? They're coming from my job. Yeah, I
kind of want to be the start.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Which did that take?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah? Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. How cool
would it be the coach at your alma mater? Even
cooler pick for last finish first unprecedented. I'm sure I
can think of a comp to what Kenny Dillingham did
at Arizona State Big Twelve Coach of the Year and
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he's joining us Big twelve Media Days Live. What an
incredible story. You know, coach, it's interesting. I just saw
this morning obviously the transfer portals alive and well and
the nil you went and got I love this. You
went and got a running back from Army.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, you know he's going to come in ready
to play. And when you when you went and got
the Army running back in the nil, did an academy
matter like a guy that would fit into your culture?
Because I think that's such you didn't. You know, some
of these coaches use it a lot, Lincoln Riley, some
of it you more sparingly. Dabosweeney doesn't like it at all.
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You went and got an Army running back? Why yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
I mean, well, one of his film was really good.
So he turn of the film, You're like, Okay, this
kid's a good player. And then on top of that,
when when you talk to him on the phone, his
maturity level was obviously super high, and part of that
his discipline level was super high. And part of that
is directly correlated to know is his school he was at.
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And for us, we wanted a kid who was driven
mature to come in here and try to replace what
people are watching on the screen.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Right now is not the easiest thing to do, so
we needed somebody who was mature.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, it's interesting you had to create self belief
last year. Well you know players can read right, they
see sixteenth in the big dwelm and you've got to
create this No, that's not what we are. Give me
the moment last year you may have believed it, but
that you felt your team finally came out of that
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tunnel and thought we're really good.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
I mean for us, the first the start of Kansas
State on the road in Manhattan, one of the best
coaching staffs I think in the country, one of the better.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Teams in our league, one of.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
The better teams in the country, and we just started
with our hair on fire. Uh, all three phases of
the game. And that was the moment that I was like, oh, wow,
this team's pretty good. We can actually do this, we
can actually do something. I think that was the moment
when we started a game where I was like, Wow,
the game versus the win versus Utah was critical for
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our program and the belief of the team and the physicality.
But that moment we ran out of the tunnel vers
Kansas State and started that fast that was a turning point.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So I want to talk transfer portal. Brian Kelly did
a lot, didn't work, Lincoln Riley did it a lot,
didn't work, Dion had to do it kind of worked.
What is your worldview on the transfer portal? How much
to use and how much to avoid?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean I think it's you want to make
sure you get the right guys for your program, whether
it's high school or transfer portal. I think I don't
want to live in a world where it's all this
or all that. I think every year your team's going
to be different.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
For me.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
I want to replace transfers with transfers, and I still
want to be able to sign the high school.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Class based off graduating seniors.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
And if you're doing it right, you will hope that
the kids in your program can become the starters, can
develop to become the starters. But if you ever need
a transfer to come in here and fill an immediate need, you.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Have that ability.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
So I would say the transfer portal to us should
hopefully be to fill gaps, not to build the house.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So you came from a totally different program. It was
West Coast, but it was Oregon where you had Phil Knight,
where you had history, where you had inertia, and you're
going to Arizona State and kind of rebuilding this thing.
But give me, despite some dissimilarities, give me the one
thing you took out of Oregon and you thought, hey,
we can replicate that pretty early.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
The fun.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I think when you think of Oregon, there's a brand
behind what they do. Everybody thinks of Oregon football. They
know what to think about. Green, yellow, fast, fun, explosive.
That's what you think about, right And I think for
me it was what is the brand of ASU football
going to be? When people look at that photo, when
they look at those gold jerseys you're looking at right now,
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what do they think about? And I wanted to be passionate? Man,
those guys play so hard. They have so much fun
playing hard. Man, that's what I think of. Look at
those guys on the screen. I want people to think,
we're gonna have so much fun, playing so hard and
growing up and learning how to become a person, learning
how to become an adult. I want the fun, the
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excitement back, and I want people to think about that
when they think about Arizona State football.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What is you are coaching your alma mater. Are there
ever moments on the sideline you're like, I was in
a frat house nine years ago. What I mean, do
you have pins?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I mean you look at post Utah when they're interviewing
me in the crowd's definitely around.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
And that was a pinch me moment when I jumped
to the crowd said I was one of these guys
and kind of lost it there. That was a moment
in game, I'm pretty focused.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Usually people can't even get my attention, But after the game,
I usually have those pinch me moments after.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
The game in the locker room moments like that was scat.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
When I'm just with the guys is when those pinch
mean moments happen, Like when I'm just in it and
it's just pure relationship and it's just it's special, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So you return a bunch of starters sixteen. Sam Levit's
a really good player. When you have a young quarterback
and you're building that culture and now you're a winning culture,
what are the steps for Sam Levitt? Productive doesn't make
a ton of mistakes. Doa light in the leash up
a little bit? Do you let them do more? Like, like,
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what's the growth for a young quarterback at the college level.
Can you open up the Playbookcord? Did you use all
of it last year?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah? I think no. We grew as the season progressed.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
So I think a big reason for our success was
we opened that playbook up gradually throughout the season as
Sam got better, Sam got more comfortable JT. I mean,
there's multiple players that went into it, but obviously your
quarterback's a big piece, and I think this year it's
going to be.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
How do we control early downs.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I think the biggest sign of a quarterback is if
you lean on him controlling early down, quick passing game.
If your quarterback can take control of first and second
down in rhythm passing game and you have enough confidence
in him, that's when a quarterback really takes control. That's
when he can really grow and become a Heisman level player.
So I think for him this year, it's taking control
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of the early downs and putting the ball in his
hands more on good down and distances earlier in games
and on early sins.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So Cam Skataboo became everybody's favorite running back in the country.
And again I'll pose this question. Obviously you liked him,
but twenty three hundred scrimmage. Jarge is insane. Were there
moments that you would watch him and go, this guy,
this guy's better than we recruited. He's better than I think.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean for sure. I mean there's times in
the game. I remember Year one, I mean we were
so bad Year one. I mean it was like watching
paint dry.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
And he catches the ball of one of our only
decent games that we still lost first USC in Game one,
he catches the swing pass on the sideline. Steff's on
the dude and goes for like fifty five and I'm like,
holy cow. And then you're watching the highlight tape. One
person just couldn't bring him down, and it would be
over and over again.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
You'd watch these plays, and.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I think one of the plays that really, you know,
separates Cam was one of the big talks. Don't gain
We toss him though, we hand him the ball, he
runs left, he's about to lose eight yards.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
He parroettes backwards.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Throws the ball away, like who has the awareness at
running back?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Just roll all the way. Every fan has said it,
why didn't he just throw it away? He's the lost
twelve yards. Well he did it.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
He did the thing that everybody said, why don't they
always do it?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And that was cam and that's what made him special.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay, you play I think Colorado late in the season.
I look at it here. I want you to go
back one year because you obviously know personnel, and I
think Shador Sanders is good. And the reason I do
is because he didn't have much of an O line,
and he didn't have Camps Kataboo in the backfield, and
he played a lot of good teams in your conference,
and he didn't win a lot of those games, but
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he was darn productive and a lot of people. You know,
you play at Ohio State, you know, you play at Texas,
you don't get touched. You play at Colorado last year
and you're running around. Give me an evaluation on film
and what you saw from Shadu or Sanders who dropped
in the draft. If I said to you, coach, there's
one thing he's going to do really well in the NFL,
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was there one thing that jumped off on tape when
you prep for him?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean preparation.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
You know when I actually recruited Shrador and you know,
I got a chance to get to know him a
little bit and being able to meet with him in
the recruiting process.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
His just intelligence for the game, his passion for the game, and.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
His intelligence on the whiteboard was something that blew me
away back when he.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Was a sixteen year old. So I can only imagine
that is now.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
So I think for him, when you watch his tape,
you see a guy who's prepared. You see a guy
who has a plan, and you see a guy who's poised.
And I think, you know when you can great quarterbacks
can play, you know when they're under pressure, and it
never looks like they're under pressure.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And I think there's a lot of times on his.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Tape where you know he's being pressured, but he's calm,
he's collected, and he knows where to go with the ball,
and that's based off the preparation.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, so whether you play teams or not, you see
a ton of him on the film, and he was
on TV or on film and you're watching and I
just think he's got something special. Finally, when you look
at your age, a lot of people are going to
go look at this kid, and this guy's going to
the end. This guy and I have no problem with that.
There's a lot of changes in college football. You guys
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don't get enough time off. Is there a concern with
you where the NFL does have space for coaches to
have a life? You guys got two recruiting windows. Now
you're recruiting your own players. If you could change college
college football, if you were running the sport, you're the
cizar of it, would you would you give? Is there
anything that a young coach you feel like, Man, I'd
(18:26):
probably change.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I would just try to change. Stop changing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't know like that would be my change is
let's just stop changing. Let's figure out what's best for
these players. At the end of the day, this is
college athletics, Like, it's all.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
About the player. Everything I'll ever do is about the players.
Everything I'll ever fight for, everything I'll ever compete for
is about how do I make the player experience, the
players pockets, the player experience, the player energy and what
they remember college to be about better. Like we're molding
these kids for the rest of their life, and it's
all about the players. So I would just say, how
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do we stop change, create some consistency whatever that is,
and make it about the player again and make these
kids still eighteen to twenty two year olds, regardless of
how much they make, regardless of how much we publicize them,
these are still eighteen to twenty two year old who
we have the responsibility to help them be successful and
figure out this time of their life. And I think
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too many times we kind of put these guys on
too high of a pedal stool. They'll be perfect because
they make money now, because they're famous at sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years old, that we lose sight that they're still
eighteen to twenty two year old. So if I could
change one thing, it would be stop putting so much
pressure on these guys.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Even if they're making money. It's not their fault. This
is an adults problem that.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
The kids are living in, and let's let these kids
have fun be in college athletes and living out their dream.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, you're so youthful looking. You know, it's just.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Actually so Yeah, it's a good twist.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's just incredible what you've done first year in the
Big twelve pick for last wins the conference. Good for you, man,
not the last we've seen. Have you off? That army
running back works out. I got a feeling him and
Sam Levit are gonna make a nice combo coach. Thanks
for coming on the herd.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I appreciate it. Go Devils.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Just incredible offensive coordinator. He was a very popular offensive
coordinator at Oregon and I think he left after the
twenty twenty two season. And then he goes to Arizona
State and they weren't good initially. And Arizona State's always
been kind of a sleeping giant, but they've been sleeping
for a long time. Like there was not a lot
of giant. There was a lot of sleeping. And then
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he goes there and about midway through the season, I'm like,
what is their record? What's happening with Arizona State? And
they had this young Levitch, like just a kid, and
you're watching them and Scataboo and it's like, wowback's young,
the coach is young. Wow. Arizona State undergrads sixty five
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thousand students. It's it's a beautiful campus. By the way
they over the last twenty years. Boy, they have I
think they have the I think Arizona State has the
largest off campus. They have a It's amazing how many
people aren't on campus that go to the school off campus.
Students undergrad is sixty five thousand. My staff just wrote
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that largest in the country. How about that? And Sam
Levitt last year in his last seven games sixteen tds,
two picks, So that that young quarterback. Keep your eye
on him. He is, he's getting really and he can move,
he can and he can throw it when he's moving
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Twell. Oh was our favorite parts of the week. As
I am headed out after the show, I'll be back
in about ten days. J Max is going to be
taken over tomorrow and the rest of the week. But
one of our first of all, I love Kenny Dillingham.
I just love to see a young coach. He joked
that he's fourteen. Can you imagine being picked dead last
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at your alma mater and winning. That's like one of
the stories of the year. And the Big Twelve had
interesting teams. You have Texas teams, you have Utah. I
think you got by you. They didn't play Colorado, but
they Colorado. But he's a guy that's kind of known
as a relentless recruiter. So you know, it's interesting when
he talks about Shudhu Sanders on the white board and
(23:39):
when he's talking about recruiting him, and it's just I
just love that story. That makes me happy.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You mentioned he looks young. You know I still get
carted at bars. Right, Well, you didn't know that because
you don't hang out with me anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
You don't call me. You're hanging out with all that.
You're such an.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Elitist now, coward all these trips and hanging out with
big important people and bashing lowly guys like me and
Jalen Hurts and Rock Perty by the way I have been.
We're talking Jalen Hurts tomorrow when you're gone, I have
so much AMMO. That is just you're gonna see it
when it goes on social media.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Be like, I gotta change my Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Take listen, j Mac, I got news for you. I'm
not on social media when I go on vacation. You
are all right, let's do it tomorrow's headlines Today, let's
talk about the Cleveland Browns Week one starter.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, we're going with a theme, and there's some quarterback
controversies sort of in the league. As we head into
the summer, We'll start with the Browns. You saw the
numbers from the OTA's a lot of controversy. The headline
will be new picket fence, Browns build wall.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Around next quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So sorry to your boy Shidor Sanders, who through three
touchdowns at OTA's. This is Kenny Pickett's job to lose Colin.
You and I may not think pickets the long term answer,
but in terms of the Cleveland Browns right now, not
only a clubhouse leader, he will be starting in week
one if he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's very clear.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Gabriel, who's Kevin Stefanski loves He's not quite ready yet.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
We know Chador's not ready.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Wouldn't be surprised if Schador was inactive for several of
the first few weeks of the season, not even dressed.
Kenny Pickett is gonna be their guy. The best chance
those rookies have Colin is if another quarterback is hurt
and then the Browns say, hey, we've got Kenny Pickett.
If you don't want to splurge for Cousins, here's Pickett.
But otherwise, Kenny Pickett will be start in week one for.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Cleveland Tomorrow's headlines today? How about the allergic to offense
Pittsburgh Steelers Week one.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers, we know that Aaron Rodgers, he's
toying with the idea of going back to the NFL.
He's sitting in lect turns. He's saying, I don't know
the headline in Pittsburgh will be we gotta see it.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Red nose reboot.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Rudolph returns to guide Steelers night. I don't think Aaron
Rodgers is coming back. We will have wasted so much
bandwidth on Aaron Rodgers' potential return.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I just think it's gonna be Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You saw the quotes yesterday, how excited he is to
just be wanted, And I'm kind of happy for the guy.
Will Howard is the other quarterback. He ain't ready, So
it'll be Mason Rudolph. I don't think he's gonna get
you a lot of wins. But Colin, I do wonder
if not only Terry Bradshaw out on Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
His comments have been kind of lukewarm. It's almost like, hey,
we just saw that with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
What are we doing the vaunted Pittsburgh Steelers getting in
the Aaron Rodgers business. So I think it'll be Mason
Rudolph as QB one for Pittsburgh this season.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
All right, let's go to the NFC tomorrow's headlines today,
what's it gonna be for the Falcons and the atl.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So, you know, Kirk Cousins is not showing up at
Ota is kind of troubling.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
We know he's probably the better quarterback right now than
Michael Pennix, but the headline will be breaking kirkfew Cousins
locked out of the QB room. He wants to be traded.
He's not even gonna compete because Colin. I mean, I
don't do you think it's fair that he's not even
getting the chance. They're just handing it to Pennix, who
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looked pretty good at the end of last season. I mean,
I know they didn't get the wins necessary, Pennick looked
okay in a comeback role. I like him a lot,
But Kirk Cousins is a veteran and you know, if
we're being real here, between Pitt's Jon Drake London, the
offensive line, Atlanta's ready to win now. I like Pennix.
I think he's gonna get it. But there's a case
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for Kirk Cousins if you really look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, speaking to young quarterbacks, the New York Giants drafted
Jackson Dart out of Ole. Miss Tomorrow's headlines today staying
in the NFC. What's the headline for the New York
Giants Week one? Starter?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, it's interesting the Cleveland Browns are soaking up
all the oxygen.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh they're contrary. Why is nobody.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Talking about the Giants where Jackson Dart was just taking
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Giants traded back in to get him.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Is it gonna be.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Russ or Dart?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
What not?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Jamis the headline for the New York Giants will be
from Russ ah with love. Giants embraced new free agent
well James Bond play there.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Russell Wilson's gonna be the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
It's interesting because Brian Dable talked about it before the
draft or sorry after the.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Draft, saying, yeah, Russ is our starter.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
But Jackson Dart when he takes the podium as saying
all the right things. You know where Russ is, by
the way, he's at New York Knicks front row with
his wife. Have you noticed he's decked out on these outfits.
Russ is acting like he's the mayor. He loves being
in New York in the spotlight. But Jackson dart quietly
behind the scenes, looks the part, sounds the part winning
over the media.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think Russ gets it. But this is going to
be closer than the experts think.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Russ Russell Wilson better look over his shoulder and quit
watching Knicks games from celebrity row.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I will say I am kind of interested by how
that plays out. And finally, what will the headline be
tomorrow's headlines today for the Saints Week one starters.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So this is a legit controversy in New Orleans. I
mean it's not a sexy one since Carr retired. It's
like Spencer Ratler Tyler shuck?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Who guy is? Twenty seven year old rookie.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
The headline for the Saints will be what the shuck
Saints swear? Spencer is right choice. I'm gonna go Spencer
Rattler here. I know he didn't show particularly well last year.
The Saints are a disaster. I mean, if you look
at actual depth charts right now, they're one of the
worst teams in the league. Their win total is terrible.
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A car might have made a smart decision retiring. I
don't love Rattler, but I really don't like Tyler Shuck.
He's gonna get an opportunity because he's six seven and
looks the part. But I think Rattler's gonna win this
job a little bit of an experience edge, and I
think he'll be a little bit of a better fit
for the killing Moore system. But man, that is not
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the sexiest quarterback controversy in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You know, I was just thinking about this, Jason as
I'm watching the Saints. We can blame whoever we want,
but what happened to the Saints when Breese retired, the
Steelers when Ben retired, and the Patriots when Brady retired.
Suddenly smart people look incompetent. I mean, you can even
say this when Andrew Luck suddenly retired. They've been bailing
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water in Indianapolis. And by the way, did a pretty
good job. Carson Wentz had a pretty good year. Philip
Rivers had a great last year in the league, made
the playoffs. I mean, Carson Wentz had twenty seven touchdowns
seven picks. That was not a disaster. So Chris Powlard
like found Carson Wentz and he's got an offensive coach
and they got Philip Rivers. But when you lose a
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transcendent talent young Andrew Luck, Big Ben Breeze, Brady, you know,
the franchise that hasn't happened to Green Bay loses Farv,
loses Rogers and can still be a playoff team. And
I think one of the things you and I think
you said this like five or six years ago when
we started working together, one of your first takes was
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you should draft a quarterback every year, just and for
the record, Belichick he did about every other year, and
he had Garoppolo in the second round and Robert Kraft
made him get rid of him, and that just infuriated
him because he knew Tom was getting older and he
may have overvalued Jimmy Garoppolo a lot of us did.
But it is I mean, it's really funny when these
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legendary quarterback talents leave. It doesn't matter who your GM is.
I mean, if Mahomes today, I'm retiring. I don't care
how good Brett Veach is. Like, this was not a
good quarterback draft. You'd next year? What do you do?
What do you give up to get up Drew Aller
or arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
You don't necessarily have to draft one early, but you
have to have a secession plan, like what do we
do if things fall apart? And that's a good point
on the Chiefs, there's nothing. I mean you look at politics.
Once that old former president was cooked, it was like
what do we do? And they were left hold of
the bag and they.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You have to have a secession plan. I mean, you know,
you look around the league. Colin, that's a really good point.
What teams do not have any backup quarterback ready if
somebody up and retire.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean, that's why Jimmy Garoppolo is a is with
the Rams in McVeigh. He knows he's been in big games.
If Stafford gets banged up, he's older, he's not super mobile.
Their old lines pretty good. Jimmy Garoppolo can play three
games and win a one or two based on where
you're playing, what the matchup is. So, I mean that's
why Chase Daniels last forever. He knows the playbook, he's
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been around. Keep him in the room. He's a great mentor.
You know, on average, I don't know the exact number
last year, but over fifty quarterbacks have played the last
two years. And that's in a league now where you
can't grab them and drive them, you can't hit them low.
I mean, quarterbacks have never been more protected, They've never
practiced being sacked as much, and you're still playing fifty
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to fifty five quarterbacks a year. That's why it's maddening
when you look at Pittsburgh and you're like, guys, what
are you doing right now? You have the worst quarterback
room in the league. By the way, Brian shot number
Cowboys coach. New Cowboys coach was asked about the quarterback
room today in Dallas. Talked about Dak.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And now, I think Dak is in the developmental phase
and that sounds crazy for you guys played that much.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But like there's things that we're tweaking with Dak. Yeah,
I'm not sure you're what are you tweaking with that
at this point? I don't I'm not sure if Dak
needs to be tweaked. He just needs to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, that's weird, doesn't sound great.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
But another guy besides Chief Daniels, Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean,
he was in the league forever. He's a great bridge quarterback,
a great backup who can get you to it through
a year. I don't know if Zach Wilson is that
kind of guy, like can if things go awry, can
Zach Wilson keep you afloat? I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well. The encouraging thing is there has never been that
I can recall more really good. I mean, Kenny Dillingham's
another offensive guy. There have never been more good young
offensive minds in college or pro football. I mean Kenny
Dillingham maybe a pro football coach in years. Lane Kiffen
could certainly coach in the NFL. Steve Sarkeshan could coach
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in the NFL. I mean there's I mean, college pays
them great and they love it. Lincoln Riley, who knows.
But I mean, I think college and pro look more
similar than they've ever looked at. It used to be
you just wouldn't hire a college basketball or a college
football coach. I think college footnow. Harbaugh maybe is a
bit of an outlier. But you know, a guy like
Kenny Dillingham, if they win again and he's doing creative stuff,
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at some point, he can clearly fifty nine quarterbacks started
last year, sixty six quarterbacks started games two years ago.
Get a backup, Get a quarterback. Pittsburgh J. McK obe tomorrow.
We'll see then
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Good College Football Day, Joel Klatt stopped by earlier Kenny Dillingham,
who just did an unbelievable job at Arizona State. For
those of you who are casuals in college football, the
one thing you may know about Arizona State, especially if
you're a New York Giants fan, is the running back
who got picked by the Giants in the fourth round,
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Cam Scatabo who had he had like twenty three hundred
yards scrimmage charts. He's just a machine as a player.
I'm really interested to see him in the nf I mean,
there's a long history of getting really good running backs
in the NFL the third, fourth, fifth round, so that
that's a compelling story. But I don't remember ever in
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college sports having a team picked for last. Scataboo is
just is just I don't there was a running back
years ago that played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that
had a little bit of the field, but I don't
think he had this guy's speed. Scataboo twenty four touchdown.
He is just a load out of the backfield, great hands.
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You know. It's funny all these years, you know, Herm
Edwards was there, and I mean they had some coaches.
We kept waiting for Arizona State to pop, and the
one year we're like, they're gonna they're not gonna be
any good. They got this Kenny Dillingham. She's a kid
we don't know about Kenny Dillingham, and they pop. So
I can't wait to talk to their young coach.
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Speaker 1 (02:02):
Cheers, J Mack with the news.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
No turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
This is the Herd line.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
News, all right, Colin, let's start with the NBA draft.
Interesting name pulls out and that is to Hod Pettiford,
a superstar at Auburn. I love this kid's game left.
He kind of reminds me of Jeff Tigue a little bit.
He was projected as a fringe first rounder. He's gonna
return to Auburn's I would have taken him in the lottery,
but I'm irrationally eye on him. I see some Kyrie
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Irving and this kid, he is going to have a
massive NIL package waiting for him at Auburn. And obviously
Auburn made a deep run into the Final four. But
we've seen a lot of guys return to school this week.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Colin, Yeah, you've.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Been on this for a little bit. Do you think
Nils kind of attracted No.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think Nil is not saving college basketball, but is
changing college basketball. These Europeans, these eighteen nineteen year old
European stars, they're leaving the Spanish leagues. They're coming over
to our colleges. Kids. I mean, I saw this story
last night from Kevin O'Connor had it and there's about
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six kids that are coming back to college basketball that
would be NBA players. I think the NBA loves it
because these eighteen year olds come in and I mean,
they just need to play more real games. And I
also think so I think college basketball is a buy
as a stock, absolutely a bye. I think this is
going to Ford. I mean we watched that team couple
of years ago. Nil was already underwear a Yukon and
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you don't ever know in college are these guys any good?
And then they go to the NBA and they're all
good players, and you're like, Okay, we're back to twenty
five years ago where if a guy dominated college basketball,
he was going to be a really nice NBA player.
Zach Edie was going to be a really nice NBA player.
But we went to about a twenty twenty five year
run where it was like you could be Player of
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the Year and you are at best a rotational dude,
sometimes off the bench. So I think this just it's
just Nil. If may drive people crazy, there's a lot
of change, I understand it, but it I think. I mean,
Auburn's gonna have an NBA guard now running in the
show like a real NBA player, just like I said
about Jamar Chase in college. That's an NFL player playing
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on Saturdays. He's clearly an NFL guy when he's like twenty.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So remember last year Kentucky had two guys. Rob Dillingham,
who was on Minnesota, sat on the bench basically all
Seas couldn't get off the bench and Reached Shepherd who
went to Houston, and everybody's like, oh, reach Shepherd.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
He's gonna be Rookie of the Year. He barely played.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
These guys could have gone back to school got a
big nil money from Kentucky. Instead they sat on the
bench in the NBA and maybe they'll pop next year.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I think your point is a good one.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Like at this stage, if I can make three million
dollars going back to a college campus pretending to go
to classes for six months, and then I get to
make a lot of money like Colin Nil, really helping
college basketball?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
All right?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Next up, let's go to the Bengals defensive end Trey Hendrickson,
their best pass rusher, their best defender. He really wants
a new deal, and the Bengals said, you know, we're
reluctant to pay you.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Go seek a trade if you want one.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Hendrickson did that, then the Bengals wouldn't trade him. Cincinnati
still hasn't signed their first round pick, Shamar Stewart, an
head rusher from Texas A and m Colin. It's like,
you know, I don't want to bang on the Bengals
too much.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I'll let you do that because you're good at that.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But I don't understand their logic here with Hendrickson off
the field, Warren Sharp is posted some numbers on social media.
Their defense with alt Hendrickson is dead.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Lasting, like multiple categories. It's bleak. What is since he do?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I just I just feel like it's an organization that is.
I mean, at least they have an offensive coach and
good offensive pieces. But I mean, all these ownership groups
are getting four hundred and fifty million dollars checks annually
from the NFL. Build a bigger scouting staff, hit on
more of your draft picks in the middle rounds. Therefore
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you have cheaper labor. Therefore, you have to pay a quarterback,
a left tackle, a couple receivers, and an edge rusher.
And if you're gonna pay any defensive player. And the
Rams are doing this, They're gonna pay Jared Vers. Eventually
they're just gonna pay him. And Kansas City is doing
this with Chris Jones. The modern NFL is mostly spend
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your money on offense draft and keep your defense young
and inexpensive because it's an offensive league. But if you've
got to pay one or two defensive players. Do it
for an unbelievable front five player or maybe an elite
corner if you have Patrick Sartanan Denver, that's hard to
let go of. But I just think this is an
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easy decision to make. Of course, you pay me. He's
been a great Bengal and a great player.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
By the way, last two seasons, you want to guess
who leads the NFL in sacks, take a guess.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
A wild woe Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
There you go, and it's not particularly close.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Like he's been totally dominant, and he's said seen a
lot of double teams because they got nobody else on
the front line. I just did the Bengals an embarrassment.
Joe Burrow, you gotta let them milk?
Speaker 5 (07:02):
All right?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Final story?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Can let's stick in that rotten division Cleveland Brown's quarterback room.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Obviously there's a lot happening.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
When you're opening the show talking about OTA stats for
the Cleveland Browns, you know it's a big story. Okay,
Joe Flacco is the grizzled Vet and he is talking
to the media about how mentoring the rookie quarterbacks at
practice and what that's like.
Speaker 6 (07:25):
If I say I don't want to be a mentor.
I look bad if I say I do want to
be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that
doesn't care about being good and playing football. I tend
to try to be honest, and I've said I'm not
a mentor. I play football and in a quarterback room.
There's a lot of times already, there's been already a
ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have
a lot of experience and I can talk on things
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and hopefully they listen.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Hopefully kind of it. By the way, the best numbers
were Shader.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, hold on if Laco's essentially saying, why would I
mentor these guys? They're coming from my job. Yeah, I
kind of want to be the start.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Which did that take?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah? Jmck with the news, Well that's the news, and
thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. How cool
would it be the coach at your alma mater? Even
cooler pick for last finish first unprecedented. I'm sure I
can think of a comp to what Kenny Dillingham did
at Arizona State Big Twelve Coach of the Year and
(08:21):
he's joining us Big twelve Media Days Live. What an
incredible story. You know, coach, it's interesting. I just saw
this morning obviously the transfer portals alive and well and
the nil you went and got I love this. You
went and got a running back from Army.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know, you know he's going to come in ready
to play. And when you when you went and got
the Army running back in the nil, did an academy
matter like a guy that would fit into your culture?
Because I think that's such you didn't. You know, some
of these coaches use it a lot, Lincoln Riley, some
of it you more sparingly. Dabosweeney doesn't like it at all.
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You went and got an Army running back? Why yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
I mean, well, one of his film was really good.
So he turn of the film, You're like, Okay, this
kid's a good player. And then on top of that,
when when you talk to him on the phone, his
maturity level was obviously super high, and part of that
his discipline level was super high. And part of that
is directly correlated to know is his school he was at.
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And for us, we wanted a kid who was driven
mature to come in here and try to replace what
people are watching on the screen.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Right now is not the easiest thing to do, so
we needed somebody who was mature.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, it's interesting you had to create self belief
last year. Well you know players can read right, they
see sixteenth in the big dwelm and you've got to
create this No, that's not what we are. Give me
the moment last year you may have believed it, but
that you felt your team finally came out of that
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tunnel and thought we're really good.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
I mean for us, the first the start of Kansas
State on the road in Manhattan, one of the best
coaching staffs I think in the country, one of the better.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Teams in our league, one of.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
The better teams in the country, and we just started
with our hair on fire. Uh, all three phases of
the game. And that was the moment that I was like, oh, wow,
this team's pretty good. We can actually do this, we
can actually do something. I think that was the moment
when we started a game where I was like, Wow,
the game versus the win versus Utah was critical for
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our program and the belief of the team and the physicality.
But that moment we ran out of the tunnel vers
Kansas State and started that fast that was a turning point.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So I want to talk transfer portal. Brian Kelly did
a lot, didn't work, Lincoln Riley did it a lot,
didn't work, Dion had to do it kind of worked.
What is your worldview on the transfer portal? How much
to use and how much to avoid?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean I think it's you want to make
sure you get the right guys for your program, whether
it's high school or transfer portal. I think I don't
want to live in a world where it's all this
or all that. I think every year your team's going
to be different.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
For me.
Speaker 7 (11:12):
I want to replace transfers with transfers, and I still
want to be able to sign the high school.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
Class based off graduating seniors.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
And if you're doing it right, you will hope that
the kids in your program can become the starters, can
develop to become the starters. But if you ever need
a transfer to come in here and fill an immediate need, you.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Have that ability.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
So I would say the transfer portal to us should
hopefully be to fill gaps, not to build the house.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So you came from a totally different program. It was
West Coast, but it was Oregon where you had Phil Knight,
where you had history, where you had inertia, and you're
going to Arizona State and kind of rebuilding this thing.
But give me, despite some dissimilarities, give me the one
thing you took out of Oregon and you thought, hey,
we can replicate that pretty early.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
The fun.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
I think when you think of Oregon, there's a brand
behind what they do. Everybody thinks of Oregon football. They
know what to think about. Green, yellow, fast, fun, explosive.
That's what you think about, right And I think for
me it was what is the brand of ASU football
going to be? When people look at that photo, when
they look at those gold jerseys you're looking at right now,
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what do they think about? And I wanted to be passionate? Man,
those guys play so hard. They have so much fun
playing hard. Man, that's what I think of. Look at
those guys on the screen. I want people to think,
we're gonna have so much fun, playing so hard and
growing up and learning how to become a person, learning
how to become an adult. I want the fun, the
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excitement back, and I want people to think about that
when they think about Arizona State football.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What is you are coaching your alma mater. Are there
ever moments on the sideline you're like, I was in
a frat house nine years ago. What I mean, do
you have pins?
Speaker 7 (13:02):
I mean you look at post Utah when they're interviewing
me in the crowd's definitely around.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
And that was a pinch me moment when I jumped
to the crowd said I was one of these guys
and kind of lost it there. That was a moment
in game, I'm pretty focused.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Usually people can't even get my attention, But after the game,
I usually have those pinch me moments after.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
The game in the locker room moments like that was scat.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
When I'm just with the guys is when those pinch
mean moments happen, Like when I'm just in it and
it's just pure relationship and it's just it's special, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
So you return a bunch of starters sixteen. Sam Levit's
a really good player. When you have a young quarterback
and you're building that culture and now you're a winning culture,
what are the steps for Sam Levitt? Productive doesn't make
a ton of mistakes. Doa light in the leash up
a little bit? Do you let them do more? Like, like,
(13:57):
what's the growth for a young quarterback at the college level.
Can you open up the Playbookcord? Did you use all
of it last year?
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah? I think no. We grew as the season progressed.
Speaker 7 (14:07):
So I think a big reason for our success was
we opened that playbook up gradually throughout the season as
Sam got better, Sam got more comfortable JT. I mean,
there's multiple players that went into it, but obviously your
quarterback's a big piece, and I think this year it's
going to be.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
How do we control early downs.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
I think the biggest sign of a quarterback is if
you lean on him controlling early down, quick passing game.
If your quarterback can take control of first and second
down in rhythm passing game and you have enough confidence
in him, that's when a quarterback really takes control. That's
when he can really grow and become a Heisman level player.
So I think for him this year, it's taking control
(14:47):
of the early downs and putting the ball in his
hands more on good down and distances earlier in games
and on early sins.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So Cam Skataboo became everybody's favorite running back in the country.
And again I'll pose this question. Obviously you liked him,
but twenty three hundred scrimmage. Jarge is insane. Were there
moments that you would watch him and go, this guy,
this guy's better than we recruited. He's better than I think.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Yeah, I mean for sure. I mean there's times in
the game. I remember Year one, I mean we were
so bad Year one. I mean it was like watching
paint dry.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
And he catches the ball of one of our only
decent games that we still lost first USC in Game one,
he catches the swing pass on the sideline. Steff's on
the dude and goes for like fifty five and I'm like,
holy cow. And then you're watching the highlight tape. One
person just couldn't bring him down, and it would be
over and over again.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
You'd watch these plays, and.
Speaker 7 (15:45):
I think one of the plays that really, you know,
separates Cam was one of the big talks. Don't gain
We toss him though, we hand him the ball, he
runs left, he's about to lose eight yards.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
He parroettes backwards.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
Throws the ball away, like who has the awareness at
running back?
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Just roll all the way. Every fan has said it,
why didn't he just throw it away? He's the lost
twelve yards. Well he did it.
Speaker 7 (16:06):
He did the thing that everybody said, why don't they
always do it?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And that was cam and that's what made him special.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Okay, you play I think Colorado late in the season.
I look at it here. I want you to go
back one year because you obviously know personnel, and I
think Shador Sanders is good. And the reason I do
is because he didn't have much of an O line,
and he didn't have Camps Kataboo in the backfield, and
he played a lot of good teams in your conference,
and he didn't win a lot of those games, but
(16:33):
he was darn productive and a lot of people. You know,
you play at Ohio State, you know, you play at Texas,
you don't get touched. You play at Colorado last year
and you're running around. Give me an evaluation on film
and what you saw from Shadu or Sanders who dropped
in the draft. If I said to you, coach, there's
one thing he's going to do really well in the NFL,
(16:54):
was there one thing that jumped off on tape when
you prep for him?
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yeah, I mean preparation.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
You know when I actually recruited Shrador and you know,
I got a chance to get to know him a
little bit and being able to meet with him in
the recruiting process.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
His just intelligence for the game, his passion for the game, and.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
His intelligence on the whiteboard was something that blew me
away back when he.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Was a sixteen year old. So I can only imagine
that is now.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
So I think for him, when you watch his tape,
you see a guy who's prepared. You see a guy
who has a plan, and you see a guy who's poised.
And I think, you know when you can great quarterbacks
can play, you know when they're under pressure, and it
never looks like they're under pressure.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
And I think there's a lot of times on his.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
Tape where you know he's being pressured, but he's calm,
he's collected, and he knows where to go with the ball,
and that's based off the preparation.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, so whether you play teams or not, you see
a ton of him on the film, and he was
on TV or on film and you're watching and I
just think he's got something special. Finally, when you look
at your age, a lot of people are going to
go look at this kid, and this guy's going to
the end. This guy and I have no problem with that.
There's a lot of changes in college football. You guys
(18:04):
don't get enough time off. Is there a concern with
you where the NFL does have space for coaches to
have a life? You guys got two recruiting windows. Now
you're recruiting your own players. If you could change college
college football, if you were running the sport, you're the
cizar of it, would you would you give? Is there
anything that a young coach you feel like, Man, I'd
(18:26):
probably change.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
I would just try to change. Stop changing.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I don't know like that would be my change is
let's just stop changing. Let's figure out what's best for
these players. At the end of the day, this is
college athletics, Like, it's all.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
About the player. Everything I'll ever do is about the players.
Everything I'll ever fight for, everything I'll ever compete for
is about how do I make the player experience, the
players pockets, the player experience, the player energy and what
they remember college to be about better. Like we're molding
these kids for the rest of their life, and it's
all about the players. So I would just say, how
(19:06):
do we stop change, create some consistency whatever that is,
and make it about the player again and make these
kids still eighteen to twenty two year olds, regardless of
how much they make, regardless of how much we publicize them,
these are still eighteen to twenty two year old who
we have the responsibility to help them be successful and
figure out this time of their life. And I think
(19:27):
too many times we kind of put these guys on
too high of a pedal stool. They'll be perfect because
they make money now, because they're famous at sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years old, that we lose sight that they're still
eighteen to twenty two year old. So if I could
change one thing, it would be stop putting so much
pressure on these guys.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Even if they're making money. It's not their fault. This
is an adults problem that.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
The kids are living in, and let's let these kids
have fun be in college athletes and living out their dream.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know, you're so youthful looking. You know, it's just.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Actually so Yeah, it's a good twist.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's just incredible what you've done first year in the
Big twelve pick for last wins the conference. Good for you, man,
not the last we've seen. Have you off? That army
running back works out. I got a feeling him and
Sam Levit are gonna make a nice combo coach. Thanks
for coming on the herd.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
I appreciate it. Go Devils.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Just incredible offensive coordinator. He was a very popular offensive
coordinator at Oregon and I think he left after the
twenty twenty two season. And then he goes to Arizona
State and they weren't good initially. And Arizona State's always
been kind of a sleeping giant, but they've been sleeping
for a long time. Like there was not a lot
of giant. There was a lot of sleeping. And then
(20:46):
he goes there and about midway through the season, I'm like,
what is their record? What's happening with Arizona State? And
they had this young Levitch, like just a kid, and
you're watching them and Scataboo and it's like, wowback's young,
the coach is young. Wow. Arizona State undergrads sixty five
(21:09):
thousand students. It's it's a beautiful campus. By the way
they over the last twenty years. Boy, they have I
think they have the I think Arizona State has the
largest off campus. They have a It's amazing how many
people aren't on campus that go to the school off campus.
Students undergrad is sixty five thousand. My staff just wrote
(21:33):
that largest in the country. How about that? And Sam
Levitt last year in his last seven games sixteen tds,
two picks, So that that young quarterback. Keep your eye
on him. He is, he's getting really and he can move,
he can and he can throw it when he's moving
it all right. Tomorrow's Headlines Today with j Macnext.
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Speaker 1 (22:57):
Twell. Oh was our favorite parts of the week. As
I am headed out after the show, I'll be back
in about ten days. J Max is going to be
taken over tomorrow and the rest of the week. But
one of our first of all, I love Kenny Dillingham.
I just love to see a young coach. He joked
that he's fourteen. Can you imagine being picked dead last
(23:18):
at your alma mater and winning. That's like one of
the stories of the year. And the Big Twelve had
interesting teams. You have Texas teams, you have Utah. I
think you got by you. They didn't play Colorado, but
they Colorado. But he's a guy that's kind of known
as a relentless recruiter. So you know, it's interesting when
he talks about Shudhu Sanders on the white board and
(23:39):
when he's talking about recruiting him, and it's just I
just love that story. That makes me happy.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
You mentioned he looks young. You know I still get
carted at bars. Right, Well, you didn't know that because
you don't hang out with me anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
You don't call me. You're hanging out with all that.
You're such an.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Elitist now, coward all these trips and hanging out with
big important people and bashing lowly guys like me and
Jalen Hurts and Rock Perty by the way I have been.
We're talking Jalen Hurts tomorrow when you're gone, I have
so much AMMO. That is just you're gonna see it
when it goes on social media.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Be like, I gotta change my Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Take listen, j Mac, I got news for you. I'm
not on social media when I go on vacation. You
are all right, let's do it tomorrow's headlines Today, let's
talk about the Cleveland Browns Week one starter.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, we're going with a theme, and there's some quarterback
controversies sort of in the league. As we head into
the summer, We'll start with the Browns. You saw the
numbers from the OTA's a lot of controversy. The headline
will be new picket fence, Browns build wall.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Around next quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
So sorry to your boy Shidor Sanders, who through three
touchdowns at OTA's. This is Kenny Pickett's job to lose Colin.
You and I may not think pickets the long term answer,
but in terms of the Cleveland Browns right now, not
only a clubhouse leader, he will be starting in week
one if he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's very clear.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Gabriel, who's Kevin Stefanski loves He's not quite ready yet.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
We know Chador's not ready.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Wouldn't be surprised if Schador was inactive for several of
the first few weeks of the season, not even dressed.
Kenny Pickett is gonna be their guy. The best chance
those rookies have Colin is if another quarterback is hurt
and then the Browns say, hey, we've got Kenny Pickett.
If you don't want to splurge for Cousins, here's Pickett.
But otherwise, Kenny Pickett will be start in week one for.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Cleveland Tomorrow's headlines today? How about the allergic to offense
Pittsburgh Steelers Week one.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
So the Pittsburgh Steelers, we know that Aaron Rodgers, he's
toying with the idea of going back to the NFL.
He's sitting in lect turns. He's saying, I don't know
the headline in Pittsburgh will be we gotta see it.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Red nose reboot.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Rudolph returns to guide Steelers night. I don't think Aaron
Rodgers is coming back. We will have wasted so much
bandwidth on Aaron Rodgers' potential return.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I just think it's gonna be Mason Rudolph.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You saw the quotes yesterday, how excited he is to
just be wanted, And I'm kind of happy for the guy.
Will Howard is the other quarterback. He ain't ready, So
it'll be Mason Rudolph. I don't think he's gonna get
you a lot of wins. But Colin, I do wonder
if not only Terry Bradshaw out on Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
His comments have been kind of lukewarm. It's almost like, hey,
we just saw that with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
What are we doing the vaunted Pittsburgh Steelers getting in
the Aaron Rodgers business. So I think it'll be Mason
Rudolph as QB one for Pittsburgh this season.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
All right, let's go to the NFC tomorrow's headlines today,
what's it gonna be for the Falcons and the atl.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So, you know, Kirk Cousins is not showing up at
Ota is kind of troubling.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
We know he's probably the better quarterback right now than
Michael Pennix, but the headline will be breaking kirkfew Cousins
locked out of the QB room. He wants to be traded.
He's not even gonna compete because Colin. I mean, I
don't do you think it's fair that he's not even
getting the chance. They're just handing it to Pennix, who
(27:13):
looked pretty good at the end of last season. I mean,
I know they didn't get the wins necessary, Pennick looked
okay in a comeback role. I like him a lot,
But Kirk Cousins is a veteran and you know, if
we're being real here, between Pitt's Jon Drake London, the
offensive line, Atlanta's ready to win now. I like Pennix.
I think he's gonna get it. But there's a case
(27:34):
for Kirk Cousins if you really look at it.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, speaking to young quarterbacks, the New York Giants drafted
Jackson Dart out of Ole. Miss Tomorrow's headlines today staying
in the NFC. What's the headline for the New York
Giants Week one? Starter?
Speaker 4 (27:50):
You know, it's interesting the Cleveland Browns are soaking up
all the oxygen.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh they're contrary. Why is nobody.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Talking about the Giants where Jackson Dart was just taking
in the first round.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Giants traded back in to get him.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Is it gonna be.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Russ or Dart?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
What not?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Jamis the headline for the New York Giants will be
from Russ ah with love. Giants embraced new free agent
well James Bond play there.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Russell Wilson's gonna be the guy.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
It's interesting because Brian Dable talked about it before the
draft or sorry after the.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Draft, saying, yeah, Russ is our starter.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
But Jackson Dart when he takes the podium as saying
all the right things. You know where Russ is, by
the way, he's at New York Knicks front row with
his wife. Have you noticed he's decked out on these outfits.
Russ is acting like he's the mayor. He loves being
in New York in the spotlight. But Jackson dart quietly
behind the scenes, looks the part, sounds the part winning
over the media.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think Russ gets it. But this is going to
be closer than the experts think.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Russ Russell Wilson better look over his shoulder and quit
watching Knicks games from celebrity row.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I will say I am kind of interested by how
that plays out. And finally, what will the headline be
tomorrow's headlines today for the Saints Week one starters.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
So this is a legit controversy in New Orleans. I
mean it's not a sexy one since Carr retired. It's
like Spencer Ratler Tyler shuck?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Who guy is? Twenty seven year old rookie.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
The headline for the Saints will be what the shuck
Saints swear? Spencer is right choice. I'm gonna go Spencer
Rattler here. I know he didn't show particularly well last year.
The Saints are a disaster. I mean, if you look
at actual depth charts right now, they're one of the
worst teams in the league. Their win total is terrible.
(29:39):
A car might have made a smart decision retiring. I
don't love Rattler, but I really don't like Tyler Shuck.
He's gonna get an opportunity because he's six seven and
looks the part. But I think Rattler's gonna win this
job a little bit of an experience edge, and I
think he'll be a little bit of a better fit
for the killing Moore system. But man, that is not
(30:00):
the sexiest quarterback controversy in the league.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You know, I was just thinking about this, Jason as
I'm watching the Saints. We can blame whoever we want,
but what happened to the Saints when Breese retired, the
Steelers when Ben retired, and the Patriots when Brady retired.
Suddenly smart people look incompetent. I mean, you can even
say this when Andrew Luck suddenly retired. They've been bailing
(30:28):
water in Indianapolis. And by the way, did a pretty
good job. Carson Wentz had a pretty good year. Philip
Rivers had a great last year in the league, made
the playoffs. I mean, Carson Wentz had twenty seven touchdowns
seven picks. That was not a disaster. So Chris Powlard
like found Carson Wentz and he's got an offensive coach
and they got Philip Rivers. But when you lose a
(30:48):
transcendent talent young Andrew Luck, Big Ben Breeze, Brady, you know,
the franchise that hasn't happened to Green Bay loses Farv,
loses Rogers and can still be a playoff team. And
I think one of the things you and I think
you said this like five or six years ago when
we started working together, one of your first takes was
(31:10):
you should draft a quarterback every year, just and for
the record, Belichick he did about every other year, and
he had Garoppolo in the second round and Robert Kraft
made him get rid of him, and that just infuriated
him because he knew Tom was getting older and he
may have overvalued Jimmy Garoppolo a lot of us did.
But it is I mean, it's really funny when these
(31:33):
legendary quarterback talents leave. It doesn't matter who your GM is.
I mean, if Mahomes today, I'm retiring. I don't care
how good Brett Veach is. Like, this was not a
good quarterback draft. You'd next year? What do you do?
What do you give up to get up Drew Aller
or arch Manning.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
You don't necessarily have to draft one early, but you
have to have a secession plan, like what do we
do if things fall apart? And that's a good point
on the Chiefs, there's nothing. I mean you look at politics.
Once that old former president was cooked, it was like
what do we do? And they were left hold of
the bag and they.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Screwed it up.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
You have to have a secession plan. I mean, you know,
you look around the league. Colin, that's a really good point.
What teams do not have any backup quarterback ready if
somebody up and retire.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean, that's why Jimmy Garoppolo is a is with
the Rams in McVeigh. He knows he's been in big games.
If Stafford gets banged up, he's older, he's not super mobile.
Their old lines pretty good. Jimmy Garoppolo can play three
games and win a one or two based on where
you're playing, what the matchup is. So, I mean that's
why Chase Daniels last forever. He knows the playbook, he's
(32:36):
been around. Keep him in the room. He's a great mentor.
You know, on average, I don't know the exact number
last year, but over fifty quarterbacks have played the last
two years. And that's in a league now where you
can't grab them and drive them, you can't hit them low.
I mean, quarterbacks have never been more protected, They've never
practiced being sacked as much, and you're still playing fifty
(32:59):
to fifty five quarterbacks a year. That's why it's maddening
when you look at Pittsburgh and you're like, guys, what
are you doing right now? You have the worst quarterback
room in the league. By the way, Brian shot number
Cowboys coach. New Cowboys coach was asked about the quarterback
room today in Dallas. Talked about Dak.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And now, I think Dak is in the developmental phase
and that sounds crazy for you guys played that much.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
But like there's things that we're tweaking with Dak. Yeah,
I'm not sure you're what are you tweaking with that
at this point? I don't I'm not sure if Dak
needs to be tweaked. He just needs to stay healthy.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah, that's weird, doesn't sound great.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
But another guy besides Chief Daniels, Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean,
he was in the league forever. He's a great bridge quarterback,
a great backup who can get you to it through
a year. I don't know if Zach Wilson is that
kind of guy, like can if things go awry, can
Zach Wilson keep you afloat? I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well. The encouraging thing is there has never been that
I can recall more really good. I mean, Kenny Dillingham's
another offensive guy. There have never been more good young
offensive minds in college or pro football. I mean Kenny
Dillingham maybe a pro football coach in years. Lane Kiffen
could certainly coach in the NFL. Steve Sarkeshan could coach
(34:11):
in the NFL. I mean there's I mean, college pays
them great and they love it. Lincoln Riley, who knows.
But I mean, I think college and pro look more
similar than they've ever looked at. It used to be
you just wouldn't hire a college basketball or a college
football coach. I think college footnow. Harbaugh maybe is a
bit of an outlier. But you know, a guy like
Kenny Dillingham, if they win again and he's doing creative stuff,
(34:35):
at some point, he can clearly fifty nine quarterbacks started
last year, sixty six quarterbacks started games two years ago.
Get a backup, Get a quarterback. Pittsburgh J. McK obe tomorrow.
We'll see then
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