September 9, 2024 • 30 mins
Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show in studio to talk about Dak Prescott's new contract and the Cowboys dominant win over the Browns
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The playmaker Michael Irvin twelve years pro football, Hall of
Famer and three rings. He is joining us now in
studio live in Los Angeles, so listen. Jerry loves to
squeeze the marketing out of every moment, so he gives
Dak that big contract before the game. And how for
anybody that says this, what about the critics that go,
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we like that, everybody likes him? Sixty million per that's
a lot for Dak Prescott. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, first of all, I will say to some of
those critics that are saying that right now, you just
said a lot of those same credits said that Jerry
didn't believe in Dak, and and Jerry really did not
want Dak. I mean that was the father that was
thrown around and all of these shows. And then when
Jerry gives that. When that, when that gets his money
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that he has earned. I don't like saying giving him
his money he's earned it. Then we turn it and say, well,
is that really worth that much? I mean, yes, he's
worth that much. It's somebody paying its paying him that much.
And if Jerry would not have paid him that much,
somebody else would pay him that much. So it's a
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it's a rhetorical question to even ask is he worth
that much? I think it's great that that they got
it done. And I said to you guys, I said
to everybody, stop coming up and coming up with all
of this stuff. They'll get the deal done. When that
slipper falls off Cinderella, and and and that slipper fell off,
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and and that carriage turned to a pumpkin, and they
ran down the island got married again.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Fair enough.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That's how That's what happens. Whenever you're talking about this
kind of money, that's what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Is the last one.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But we also know Dak can handle it. He's like
a grown up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And that's the that right there is what I was
worried about. And I jump one air and I jump
out here. Sometimes Colin get you hit the nail on
the head, buddy. And I always say, I try to
tell people stop stop, Let's come on.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
This is business.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
This happens every year in the National Football League, but
it's a tsunami when it's the Dallas Cowboys, right because
we all use it, we all talk about it, and
I worry about the mental strength of the players.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You can't talk money all off.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Season and then think you're gonna walk into Week one
and whoop somebody in the National Football League and they've
been talking ball all off season and winning all off season.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And I'm happy that Dak didn't fold and the Cowboys
didn't fall. He didn't he had all you heard was
money talk. He didn't have work with his number one receiver,
and those two showed up and looked like they didn't
miss much of a beat, you know, for Week one.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So that's what I was happy about, right the that's
what you know.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's why I love Colin Man. Smart smart man. And
you know, both sides of the argument. I told Colin
a couple of years ago, He's the only man in
the world that can argue with himself.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's the only man in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
My wife's not nearly as impressed with that skill as
you are, believe me. So you know, it's funny. You
look at the Lions last night. I thought they got
out played, but they won. They won, and I think,
you know what, my whole life at Detroit got out played.
They lost, right, So I looked at him and I thought,
I kind of thought they got out coach and outplayed.
But I feel pretty good this morning about Detroit.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And and and and you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And if you're the coach, you say, you know what,
It's not like I really wanted it, but that might
be best way for me, because now they solidify what
they've been saying to themselves. We're not the same Detroit Lions.
We're not the same Detroit Lions. I don't care what
anybody says. You gotta speak. That's why we were talking
about We were talking about it earlier before we came
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on their colin. The importance of week one is so
so important because you're going to either validate what you've
been saying to yourself all the time, or you're going
to leave their questioning what you've been saying to yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It can become an avalanche.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It could become an Avalanche for Philadelphia to get win.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
That game the way they won their game in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
To have some struggles and to fight through it and
stay together and then come down and win that game
in the end, that's what they needed coming off the
collapse they had at the end of last year. We
need to know now, if we have some struggles, we
can stay together and win that game, because that was the.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Problem last year. They folded so right.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So that was the great It's some struggles in there
and a lot of things that improve on, but that
was a great first win.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
When I look at Week one, I look at it
attached to last season. Is it going to confirm or
deny what you've been telling yourself all off season?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The playmaker Michael Irvin. So I try to look at
all these young quarterbacks and say, listen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
Derek Carlok. Great, they've taken a bunch of snaps, a
lot of time on task. They're old guys, right, And
I look at these young quarterbacks and I'm like, yeah,
that's pretty ugly. Here's what I worry about with Caleb
And I saw this in college in the preseason. He's
a remarkable I don't worry about the ego, the leadership,
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all good, strong, solid kid. But Michael, he can be
a radic on accuracy under fifty percent this game fifty
percent preseason, three times last year at you see USC
under fifty eight percent. Sometimes when a guy is so athletic,
it takes him a while to become the pocket guy.
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Now Aikman was a pocket guy. It was different. Do
you worry at all? He's got a defensive coach in Chicago?
He didn't have Sean Payton like Bonex, right, he didn't
have Sam Darnold, Kevin O'Connell. He got a defensive young coach.
Do you worry that Caleb's accuracy stuff won't get fixed
with a defensive coach?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And my thought here and this is where I was
with this, and I love the way you placed it,
because what you saw yesterday was a young man saying, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Games fast?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
WHOA.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Going to be like this because the one play he
made a spin, he spinned away from one guy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Right. Oh, but that's the play life He's spins again
right here? You know what I mean? Guys, I swear,
I don't know how you guys pulled up that plate.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But in USC, when he does the first fin, he
got another year to throw that ball. He was like, man,
the rest of them do so slow. He only got
one guy that's really going to league on most of
those teams you played, and that's the defensive end.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You just spent a way from him. Now you got
all time.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And then when you look up, ain't nobody attached to
all of your receivers. From USC, they're all running wide over.
You could play one eye, one kind of way.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But in the.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
NFL you had three or four jokers on you. When
you spent they were still shooting at you. WHOA wait
a minute where it's coming from. And then on the
back end, everybody had somebody attached to them, so you
had to now adjust to and it blows your mind.
I thought about it this way we played, and we said,
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this man reminds us of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I went this way.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I said, I wonder if that's what Patrick Mahomes would
have looked like if he had to step on the
field for his first game.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You see, Patrick Mahomes didn't have to work in Indy. Reed.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So now even the first year, I'm not practicing, I'm
not playing that way.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Imagine the knowledge I'm getting in.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Practice because it's it's Andy Reid as opposed to what
Caleb Williams has that you were just talking about. You
see what I mean? Those are the things that we miss.
And it comes down to Caleb Williams. I know you
got physical capabilities, it's what's inside of you. It will
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determine if you can survive this, because you're going to
You're going to be looking in the mirror and questioning
and wondering, Boy, can I really play? Am I really
as good as I thought I was? Because that's what
this league does. You're gonna win by yourself at little
league football. You're gona win by yourself in high school football.
You can even probably win by yourself in college. You
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need a whole damn team on this level. That's just
the reality.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I will Aaron Rodgers playing tonight. And I remember
when Tom Brady had the one serious injury. The next
year he came back. Tommy didn't want you near his knees.
He would darket officials if guy's got near it. Aaron's
played four snaps in five hundred days. Psychologically, now, you
didn't have many injuries, But psychologically, how is that not
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in his head tonight?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, I had n acl and and and and I'm
telling you that almost broke me. Just being away from
the game and coming back to that game. I'll never
forget I returned. I missed the first four games or
the next season. I returned against Tampa Bay. Uh. It
was our first time really playing together, all three of us, Troy,
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him and and me and and and I caught the
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And they had a picture in the paper. Right let
me catching the game win? He touched down.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I swear to you, guys, that's the only pass I
didn't watch all the way in. I don't know how
I caught it. I closed my eyes. I was so scared.
I don't know what even in the paper the next day,
dog they gotten the catch touched down?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, I'll close last boy, why did they catch that pig?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What did it back to you?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Oh my god, Oh my god. It's the hardest thing
in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Why do you think Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins look
like they look yesterday, and they played the game a
lot of years, but they look like they haven't played
the game at all ever. You see what I mean,
Because they were not just worried about all that speed
coming at them, they were worried about the capability of
their own body holding up in the midst of it,
because they don't want to go back through that kind
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of a rehab. And yeah, anything you thinking about anything
on the football field, it makes you too late to
think for football, and those things just hold you back.
So I'm anxious to see what Anon Rodgers looked back
looked like tonight too. And remember sant Frin always gave
him trouble. They all always give him trouble, you know,
when he was in Green Bays and friend was giving
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them trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So week one, you know, my takeaway is, don't don't
go too crazy on this. And I think it's just
the sport is so popular and we love it. I
will say this though, the Chargers last year, last couple
of years, if they don't score thirty, they don't win.
Yesterday twenty two points. They won comfortably. They ran for
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one hundred and seventy five yards. They didn't ask Justin
Herbert to do anything. I felt like they looks like
Michigan right Harball's got away Michael. I don't know how
he installs the toughness, but I watched them and I'm like,
it's a rock fight. That's what they do every Harbaugh team,
college or pro. It's crazy. How do they I mean,
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how do you get a team to be that was
the softest team in the league to be that physical
and right there?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
How do you get the team that was the softest
team and self meaning every time they tried to get physical,
seemed like everybody went down, everybody was hurt, you know
what I mean? They were a terrible third downhad them
all the talent, but not the mentality, you know what
I mean. We've seen this team and here I'm Jim Habball,
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and he did this last time around because the league.
He sees what the league trends for. It's all passing.
It's all passing. So now you're bringing in fast guys
that can chase the past, all kind of guys. The
linebacker's getting small and faster. Everybody's getting small, so you
chase the pass. And then here comes this dude, Jim
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Habball saying oh, let's buck the trend again.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Let's go back to just pounding, pounding.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Pounding, because everybody, right, they're so light now, and let's
just pound. And he creates some mentality through training camp.
He creates some mentality. And now, now imagine you don't
have to try to compete with Patrick Mahomes and beat
him throw for throw. You don't have to try to say, Okay,
Patrick Mahomes, we tried to stop you with this defense
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for years and that just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
That's just not happening.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well, well, what has like the teams like Tennessee, those
kind of teams, they've given Kansas City chiefs some problem
because they just say, we just gonna keep you on
the sideline running football, right, no nothing, no nothing. We
want as little as you as we as as as
we can get, and we're gonna run this football. And
that gives Kansas City some trouble. So yeah, this gives
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them a shot to come in the back door right here.
I think the Chargers, not im not saying they winning,
they're winning.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
That division sciolistically gives them something that gives them something
to work with.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Playmaker always good to see Michael Erbum my man.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It's always good being with you.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Man. Ninety minutes sleep and he made it to our studio.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yes, that's all, that's all I need on a Sunday night,
coming in the Monday that the Dallas Cowboys won.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He'll take out. I'm good, He'll catch up tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
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Speaker 5 (13:58):
Let's get started with a sense of natty Bengals, Colin.
I can't get over this loss they had to the Patriots. Yes,
I had them in Survivor. I also had Seattle, so
I'm still alive. But Jamar Chase had a weird situation
where he was only targeted six times for sixty two yards.
Remember he had the contract drama. Chase admitted afterwards he
had food poisoning as well. Did not use it as
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an excuse, but he did throw some shade at Zach Taylor,
telling the media to ask him why Jamar Chase only
got six targets, which I find kind of spicy. They
were trailing much of this game, and Jamar Chase still
wasn't getting the rock column. And now you've got Jamar
cha saying, hey, go ask the coach. I don't know
the answer.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Oh not good.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I thought the Bengals were Witness Division. I'm very dubious
after this.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I thought New England. From what I could tell, this
was a corner TV game was very physical. But I
think we have to be fair with Cincinnati. You get
Jamar Chase probably on a pitch count. No T Higgins,
no boyd no mixing a lot of units. You didn't
just lose dudes. You list like B plus A plus
guys you lost. I mean you can argue T Higgins
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is a one as well as Jamar.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But if that's the case, which didn't Burle play in
the preseason to try to develop chemistry with all these
new guys. I'm looking at snap counts over here, and
we thought we saw the guy Burton the wide receiver
share four snaps in week one? What are we doing?
I don't even know the top targeted guy they had
A name is very new to me, not on my
fantasy team, but this Bengals Zach Taylor. Now here's some
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numbers on Zach Taylor. Your guy one in five in
season openers, and he's one in ten in his first
two weeks in Cincinnati. He just doesn't win early. Now
we can use the Patriots argument. Hey, Bill Belichick would
always use September as kind of an incubator to tinker
with some stuff. Maybe that's what Zach Taylor's doing. I
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don't know, seventy eight yards of offense in the first
half at home, I'm surprised, you go, oh, I just
I just think.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, Joe Burrow because of his injuries, they're not
gonna get hihim any snaps in the preseason. So just
by the way, you and I didn't, you and I
didn't bet this game. Why it was a big fit why?
And I think a big takeaway was, well, te Higgins
is gone, Boyd is gone, Mixing is gone. So my
take was everybody's like bet the Bengals. I was like, no, thanks.
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I don't like big favorites. In Week one, I just,
I mean, I liked an underdog Carolina and they got House.
But I don't like big favorite. Now Week two, Week three,
Week four, all move into favorites.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Okay, So Chiefs looks like it's gonna be six, might
be seven. I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think the Bengals will I would take the Bengals
in the points win or not, I'm not sure. I
think the Bengals will give you a very competent, capable efforts.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Chiefs get extra time off having played Thursday, and then
they're gonna beat the Bengals are gonna beat Washington and Carolina.
We would have sued. So then it's Ravens Giant.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We know we're a joke.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
They got a lot of doubs. They're gonna be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
They do have some double Okay, all right, Hey, I
like how you're just not really concerned about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Now there's real concern and story too. It's Jordan Love's
sprained mcl Initial reports are saying three to six weeks.
Tom Pelasorrow is saying three to six weeks. The Packers
claim that Malik Willis is their guy. By the way,
the third stringer is a gentleman named Sean Clifford who
played at Penn State for like, you know, seven years
or whatever. Super senior. And we'll see what matriculates with
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Ryan Tannehill, who I like a lot in this spot.
I don't like Ryan Tannehill. Normally, this is the schedule
of no Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, Colts in week two, where's it at?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
It's at home? But they are now underdogs. The market
swung eight and a half points.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, so I think they get a break here. So
the Packers get the Colts at home?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Wait, wait, who's what a that game?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Colin? I would Holts would win that one. They get
extra time to prep. But I think they'll beat Tennessee
in Minnesota, so they'll be two and two and Jordan
Love comes back.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
You're beating Sam Darnold, your guy at home?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, so I think they'll be two and two. And
then Jordan Love comes back, and the schedule toughens up,
and you'll be fine if you can, if you if
I would go get Ryan Tannehill, I don't think Willis
is the guy.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I'd get Joe Flacco come off some off his old
guys and play well last year with no tackles, and
Nick Chubb wasn't even there there.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Come on, No, I would bring Tannehill in because.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Lafleur is a good offensive mine.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
They'll be fun But what's the line on the Colts game?
That's fascinating. I saw three before the show.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It had shifted. The Colts were favored by three. Now
the Colts defensive line got to straup. They they were
getting in his face up.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Colts are good, don't they just good? Yeah? I was
gonna say, don't kid yourself, the Colts are gonna be
a They're a good team. That's a that's a ten
win plus team.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
The Packers defense is anything great. I mean, sakuon Barkley
when when nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'd probably take the Colts here. But I think Green
Bay is gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
We don't know what it's gonna like back from Brazil.
A lot of questions with Green Bay. All of a sudden,
Your favorite squad final story is college football. Kind of
a quiet weekend on the college football front outside of
the Notre Dame loss, But your Trojans picked up a
forty eight zero win over something called Utah State. They
are now two to zero. USC's first shutout since twenty eleven.
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I guess they are playing defense now at USC.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Danton Lynn is their defensive coordinator. Same guys as last
year mostly.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But oh wait, whoa they got five. I think I
saw five transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, they got a really good safety and a really
capable mic linebacker. They didn't get superstars. They got they
got really good starters, but they didn't get those aren't
top twenty transfers in the country. They got good players
new top twenty five's out. We'll tell you about USC.
They had two drop passes in the for touchdowns. This
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Miller Moss, the quarterback kids not bad. I'm not joking
when I say this, Shador Sanders is losing ground because
of the maturity this Miller Moss kid. He is throwing ropes.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I need to see a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
He's got a Utah State. But yes, he did look
serviceable against elis serviceable.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
They had two touchdowns dropped. They didn't play particularly well early,
but it was not on Miller Moss. I'm telling you there,
this team is way better than people think. Yeah, no, no,
you're right. They're not Ohio State, Texas, They're not that,
but they're in the next They may not be in
the top three or four, but from like four to
eight US he's in that crew.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
How you're feeling about the playoffs for that, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Just telling you if Miller Moss he is, and I
I can't believe how good he is. He doesn't ever
make the wrong throw. Everything's easy when quarterbacks make it
look everything out of the flats, easy, everything over the middle.
He makes tough throws up the sideline.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It's just easy about this hot take. Miller Moss has
looked better than Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh he is better.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like that's not even close.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Riley Leonard, he was not making play.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No, No, Miller Moss from the pocket is a completely
different level than that.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Lincoln Riley, Right, well that's offensive whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm just telling you. Riley Leonard struggles throwing the ball. Yeah,
Miller Moss everything flat, deep, middle, long. He is really something.
I hope he stays in school in hoist a trophy.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well he's like, he's like a twenty two year old junior.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So whatever he is, I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I'm gonna go back today and watch that game over
again to forty eight, nothing drubbing. You're gonna watch that
four times. I'll watch that more than Hardball watches the
Chargers days. His guys, all right, J mckle the news,
Well that's.
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Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jim Harbaugh, fresh off that win at So Far Over
the Raiders, joined us on the show today. We appreciated
that night. First thing I asked him, I said, when
you got to LA it was a losing team. What
was the what was the big challenge your first big
challenge with the Chargers.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question, but it was
I would say about a day and a half after
being on the field with the players, I realized that, uh,
you know, guys like Derwin James, And that's what it
hit me. I mean, just do whatever Derwin James is doing.
There's guys here Derwin, Justin Herbert, Joey Bosa, clil Mack.
(23:29):
I mean, they just do everything right with Shaun Slater,
Zion Johnson. Uh, I mean I realized that the culture
is already here. It's already set. It's already Uh, these
guys are already been They've already been doing the dirty
work and they and they do it with a great
love and passion for football, care for their teammates and
the and the organization.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
So it was it was already set.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So I just.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Realized real early on that, uh, I'm the lucky one
to be here and and uh just go with what
they what they what they've got established. And that's really
it caused me to say, it's the best darn job
I've ever had to start out with. And now you know,
being into it for these many months, Man, this feels
like just the best darn job I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, some of that's justin Herbert. Usually you don't get
you don't inherit justin Herbert as your first quarterback when
you met him. How long did it take, because yesterday
it was classic Justin Herbert. Three or four big throws
doesn't turn it over? Smart kid, How long did it
take you to figure out Herbert and go, Wow, I
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got something special here?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Cal, I mean right away first time you watch him throw.
The talent is there in every single way, athletic, ability,
the work, ethic. Nobody works harder than Justin Herbert on
our team, smart as they come, like a human brain
for a computer chip. Many times I just sat by
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my desk and go, yeah, he's on our team. But
then just just everything about him is his leadership qualities.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
And and then the then you see it, you see
it all the fierceness, the way he competes. Uh, he
is a fierce competitor, really really has it, has it all.
And you know, I thought we did some really good things,
a lot to improve, nothing like winning a game, but
still having a lot there on the table too, uh,
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where you can get better. And but we did a
we did a pretty decent job of protecting him. And
uh and that's that's job number one, make sure Justin
Herbert can finish the throwing motion.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Finally, Jim, you got the game ball from Dean Spanos
And I said this last week, I've never seen you
this happy. You you are happy. And after that game,
when he gave you that game ball, you are like
you were twenty three years old again, twenty four years old.
What did it mean to you?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Uh, you haven't see me in the after after winds
very often that you know. That's uh, yeah, I really
love wedding and uh, just you know, there's probably no
better place to be than in a winning locker room.
Uh when you're you know, you picture it him. It's
just a group of guys, you know, men and women
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in a in an organization that are you know, striving,
putting everything their heart and soul into into a game.
And uh, it just means so much when when you're victorious.
So yeah, there's not a lot of better feelings.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You know, uh.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Than that.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Now, maybe maybe a road win.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Uh, you know, when you when.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
You're playing on the road and you got to battle
the the the opposing crowd and the opposing team, and
if you throw in some elements, you know, maybe some weather,
some rains, snows, some cold. You know, nothing makes you
feel more like a man than than getting a win
in that kind of environment. But yesterday, yeah, pretty darn great.
Now and they're all they're all, uh, they all feel
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really good. Colin, There's it's hard to win in.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
This league, yep, against a division rival, the Raiders at
so far so now, And again, I think the NFL
does a pretty good job of giving stories life like
they gave. They gave the Bears will Levice in Week one,
didn't play well, still won. Now that makes the Bears
Houston week two much more captivating. So what do you
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know now they give them Carolina. The Carolina will play
really hard. They My rule in the NFL for betting,
if a team is humiliated, they always play great the
following week. So Carolina is gonna play as good as
they can play. I don't think that's good enough, but
they're gonna play as good as they can play. And
then you get a Pittsburgh team that's a that's a
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water pistol offense. And then you get then it gets tough.
But you start looking at that. Come on now, j Mac,
you start looking at that Charger schedule. There's some dubs there.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So I got some lines here. Do you want to
hear Chargers Panthers? Do you want to guess it?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Chargers at Panthers. It's a early kickoff,
so West Coast team going east.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I think Carolina getting three and a half.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That was maybe last week. It's Los Angeles Chargers favored
by six and a half. That's a huge number on
the road for a Chargers team that they're not gonna
get separation. You know, they're not like airing it out
with Herbert. They want to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, they're a physical I mean that game will be
very close for a while. They're not gonna blow you out.
They don't throw them all over the top.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I can't go back to the Panthers Week one loss.
I'm done. I'm done, done, done, no no one, no Moss.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
There's some interesting Week two long Detroit and Tampa both
let me guess, did give me a home against Tampa. Okay, okay, here,
So Detroit played poorly and won. So Sean Payton always
told me the best weeks to coach, you play like
crap and win. He goes, you can just be rough
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on your players. You can because they're happy they won,
but they know they played poorly. So Detroit comes out
and now Tampa, Tampa's feeling it. It's like this is college.
I'm gonna throw it for a thousand yard Detroit, I
would guess is a six point face.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Oh nailed it. Detroit currently minus six.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I'll take Detroit to win in cover.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Okay, how about this one Seattle at New England, right,
give me a second, So now settle this is one
of the longest road trips from Seattle to New England.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, they're called planes. They'll get fine, I know, but
still it's a it's not a locomotive to Foxborough. I
think New England. I would sell New England stock. My
guess is it's four Seattle minus four.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Seattle minus three and a half. Interesting. I'm pretty Pino
Smith is now being favored on the road. Are we
are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Sam Darnold was favored on the road, and what happened bad.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
It's a science. I mean the Patriots defense is Boxton Borough?
Or have we got time for one more? U?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Cowboys Saints, Saints off the big win forty seven points,
they get Dallas.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
They're gonna come way back to earth. Dallas favored minus
six and a half.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Oh my gosh, did somebody tell you that that he
nailed it exactly?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
How fine?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
One more?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
One more Rams at Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh scares me. Overtime loss.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
We don't know about Pooka Nakua.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It'sa playing No, we don't know. Well, I think they
get one of their I think did they get Haven's
time back?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I don't know. We're running out of time.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, I would say Rams minus two?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What is it? Pick them?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm taking the Rams?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Grudgingly?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's a good game. See you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
The playmaker Michael Irvin twelve years pro football, Hall of
Famer and three rings. He is joining us now in
studio live in Los Angeles, so listen. Jerry loves to
squeeze the marketing out of every moment, so he gives
Dak that big contract before the game. And how for
anybody that says this, what about the critics that go,
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we like that, everybody likes him? Sixty million per that's
a lot for Dak Prescott. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, first of all, I will say to some of
those critics that are saying that right now, you just
said a lot of those same credits said that Jerry
didn't believe in Dak, and and Jerry really did not
want Dak. I mean that was the father that was
thrown around and all of these shows. And then when
Jerry gives that. When that, when that gets his money
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that he has earned. I don't like saying giving him
his money he's earned it. Then we turn it and say, well,
is that really worth that much? I mean, yes, he's
worth that much. It's somebody paying its paying him that much.
And if Jerry would not have paid him that much,
somebody else would pay him that much. So it's a
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it's a rhetorical question to even ask is he worth
that much? I think it's great that that they got
it done. And I said to you guys, I said
to everybody, stop coming up and coming up with all
of this stuff. They'll get the deal done. When that
slipper falls off Cinderella, and and and that slipper fell off,
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and and that carriage turned to a pumpkin, and they
ran down the island got married again.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Fair enough.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
That's how That's what happens. Whenever you're talking about this
kind of money, that's what happens.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Is the last one.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But we also know Dak can handle it. He's like
a grown up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
And that's the that right there is what I was
worried about. And I jump one air and I jump
out here. Sometimes Colin get you hit the nail on
the head, buddy. And I always say, I try to
tell people stop stop, Let's come on.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
This is business.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
This happens every year in the National Football League, but
it's a tsunami when it's the Dallas Cowboys, right because
we all use it, we all talk about it, and
I worry about the mental strength of the players.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You can't talk money all off.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Season and then think you're gonna walk into Week one
and whoop somebody in the National Football League and they've
been talking ball all off season and winning all off season.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
And I'm happy that Dak didn't fold and the Cowboys
didn't fall. He didn't he had all you heard was
money talk. He didn't have work with his number one receiver,
and those two showed up and looked like they didn't
miss much of a beat, you know, for Week one.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So that's what I was happy about, right the that's
what you know.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That's why I love Colin Man. Smart smart man. And
you know, both sides of the argument. I told Colin
a couple of years ago, He's the only man in
the world that can argue with himself.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
He's the only man in the world.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
My wife's not nearly as impressed with that skill as
you are, believe me. So you know, it's funny. You
look at the Lions last night. I thought they got
out played, but they won. They won, and I think,
you know what, my whole life at Detroit got out played.
They lost, right, So I looked at him and I thought,
I kind of thought they got out coach and outplayed.
But I feel pretty good this morning about Detroit.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And and and and you.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
And if you're the coach, you say, you know what,
It's not like I really wanted it, but that might
be best way for me, because now they solidify what
they've been saying to themselves. We're not the same Detroit Lions.
We're not the same Detroit Lions. I don't care what
anybody says. You gotta speak. That's why we were talking
about We were talking about it earlier before we came
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on their colin. The importance of week one is so
so important because you're going to either validate what you've
been saying to yourself all the time, or you're going
to leave their questioning what you've been saying to yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It can become an avalanche.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It could become an Avalanche for Philadelphia to get win.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
That game the way they won their game in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
To have some struggles and to fight through it and
stay together and then come down and win that game
in the end, that's what they needed coming off the
collapse they had at the end of last year. We
need to know now, if we have some struggles, we
can stay together and win that game, because that was the.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Problem last year. They folded so right.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So that was the great It's some struggles in there
and a lot of things that improve on, but that
was a great first win.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
That's how I look at it.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
When I look at Week one, I look at it
attached to last season. Is it going to confirm or
deny what you've been telling yourself all off season?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The playmaker Michael Irvin. So I try to look at
all these young quarterbacks and say, listen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold,
Derek Carlok. Great, they've taken a bunch of snaps, a
lot of time on task. They're old guys, right, And
I look at these young quarterbacks and I'm like, yeah,
that's pretty ugly. Here's what I worry about with Caleb
And I saw this in college in the preseason. He's
a remarkable I don't worry about the ego, the leadership,
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all good, strong, solid kid. But Michael, he can be
a radic on accuracy under fifty percent this game fifty
percent preseason, three times last year at you see USC
under fifty eight percent. Sometimes when a guy is so athletic,
it takes him a while to become the pocket guy.
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Now Aikman was a pocket guy. It was different. Do
you worry at all? He's got a defensive coach in Chicago?
He didn't have Sean Payton like Bonex, right, he didn't
have Sam Darnold, Kevin O'Connell. He got a defensive young coach.
Do you worry that Caleb's accuracy stuff won't get fixed
with a defensive coach?
Speaker 4 (06:19):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
And my thought here and this is where I was
with this, and I love the way you placed it,
because what you saw yesterday was a young man saying, WHOA.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Games fast?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
WHOA.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I didn't know what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Going to be like this because the one play he
made a spin, he spinned away from one guy.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Right. Oh, but that's the play life He's spins again
right here? You know what I mean? Guys, I swear,
I don't know how you guys pulled up that plate.
That's exactly what I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
But in USC, when he does the first fin, he
got another year to throw that ball. He was like, man,
the rest of them do so slow. He only got
one guy that's really going to league on most of
those teams you played, and that's the defensive end.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You just spent a way from him. Now you got
all time.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And then when you look up, ain't nobody attached to
all of your receivers. From USC, they're all running wide over.
You could play one eye, one kind of way.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
But in the.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
NFL you had three or four jokers on you. When
you spent they were still shooting at you. WHOA wait
a minute where it's coming from. And then on the
back end, everybody had somebody attached to them, so you
had to now adjust to and it blows your mind.
I thought about it this way we played, and we said,
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this man reminds us of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I went this way.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I said, I wonder if that's what Patrick Mahomes would
have looked like if he had to step on the
field for his first game.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
You see, Patrick Mahomes didn't have to work in Indy. Reed.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So now even the first year, I'm not practicing, I'm
not playing that way.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Imagine the knowledge I'm getting in.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Practice because it's it's Andy Reid as opposed to what
Caleb Williams has that you were just talking about. You
see what I mean? Those are the things that we miss.
And it comes down to Caleb Williams. I know you
got physical capabilities, it's what's inside of you. It will
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determine if you can survive this, because you're going to
You're going to be looking in the mirror and questioning
and wondering, Boy, can I really play? Am I really
as good as I thought I was? Because that's what
this league does. You're gonna win by yourself at little
league football. You're gona win by yourself in high school football.
You can even probably win by yourself in college. You
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need a whole damn team on this level. That's just
the reality.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I will Aaron Rodgers playing tonight. And I remember
when Tom Brady had the one serious injury. The next
year he came back. Tommy didn't want you near his knees.
He would darket officials if guy's got near it. Aaron's
played four snaps in five hundred days. Psychologically, now, you
didn't have many injuries, But psychologically, how is that not
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in his head tonight?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Well, I had n acl and and and and I'm
telling you that almost broke me. Just being away from
the game and coming back to that game. I'll never
forget I returned. I missed the first four games or
the next season. I returned against Tampa Bay. Uh. It
was our first time really playing together, all three of us, Troy,
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him and and me and and and I caught the
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And they had a picture in the paper. Right let
me catching the game win? He touched down.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I swear to you, guys, that's the only pass I
didn't watch all the way in. I don't know how
I caught it. I closed my eyes. I was so scared.
I don't know what even in the paper the next day,
dog they gotten the catch touched down?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, I'll close last boy, why did they catch that pig?
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What did it back to you?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Oh my god, Oh my god. It's the hardest thing
in the world.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
Why do you think Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins look
like they look yesterday, and they played the game a
lot of years, but they look like they haven't played
the game at all ever. You see what I mean,
Because they were not just worried about all that speed
coming at them, they were worried about the capability of
their own body holding up in the midst of it,
because they don't want to go back through that kind
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of a rehab. And yeah, anything you thinking about anything
on the football field, it makes you too late to
think for football, and those things just hold you back.
So I'm anxious to see what Anon Rodgers looked back
looked like tonight too. And remember sant Frin always gave
him trouble. They all always give him trouble, you know,
when he was in Green Bays and friend was giving
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them trouble.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So week one, you know, my takeaway is, don't don't
go too crazy on this. And I think it's just
the sport is so popular and we love it. I
will say this though, the Chargers last year, last couple
of years, if they don't score thirty, they don't win.
Yesterday twenty two points. They won comfortably. They ran for
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one hundred and seventy five yards. They didn't ask Justin
Herbert to do anything. I felt like they looks like
Michigan right Harball's got away Michael. I don't know how
he installs the toughness, but I watched them and I'm like,
it's a rock fight. That's what they do every Harbaugh team,
college or pro. It's crazy. How do they I mean,
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how do you get a team to be that was
the softest team in the league to be that physical
and right there?
Speaker 3 (11:37):
How do you get the team that was the softest
team and self meaning every time they tried to get physical,
seemed like everybody went down, everybody was hurt, you know
what I mean? They were a terrible third downhad them
all the talent, but not the mentality, you know what
I mean. We've seen this team and here I'm Jim Habball,
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and he did this last time around because the league.
He sees what the league trends for. It's all passing.
It's all passing. So now you're bringing in fast guys
that can chase the past, all kind of guys. The
linebacker's getting small and faster. Everybody's getting small, so you
chase the pass. And then here comes this dude, Jim
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Habball saying oh, let's buck the trend again.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Let's go back to just pounding, pounding.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Pounding, because everybody, right, they're so light now, and let's
just pound. And he creates some mentality through training camp.
He creates some mentality. And now, now imagine you don't
have to try to compete with Patrick Mahomes and beat
him throw for throw. You don't have to try to say, Okay,
Patrick Mahomes, we tried to stop you with this defense
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for years and that just didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
That's just not happening.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well, well, what has like the teams like Tennessee, those
kind of teams, they've given Kansas City chiefs some problem
because they just say, we just gonna keep you on
the sideline running football, right, no nothing, no nothing. We
want as little as you as we as as as
we can get, and we're gonna run this football. And
that gives Kansas City some trouble. So yeah, this gives
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them a shot to come in the back door right here.
I think the Chargers, not im not saying they winning,
they're winning.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
That division sciolistically gives them something that gives them something
to work with.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Playmaker always good to see Michael Erbum my man.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
It's always good being with you.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Man. Ninety minutes sleep and he made it to our studio.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yes, that's all, that's all I need on a Sunday night,
coming in the Monday that the Dallas Cowboys won.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He'll take out. I'm good, He'll catch up tonight.
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Speaker 5 (13:58):
Let's get started with a sense of natty Bengals, Colin.
I can't get over this loss they had to the Patriots. Yes,
I had them in Survivor. I also had Seattle, so
I'm still alive. But Jamar Chase had a weird situation
where he was only targeted six times for sixty two yards.
Remember he had the contract drama. Chase admitted afterwards he
had food poisoning as well. Did not use it as
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an excuse, but he did throw some shade at Zach Taylor,
telling the media to ask him why Jamar Chase only
got six targets, which I find kind of spicy. They
were trailing much of this game, and Jamar Chase still
wasn't getting the rock column. And now you've got Jamar
cha saying, hey, go ask the coach. I don't know
the answer.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Oh not good.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
I thought the Bengals were Witness Division. I'm very dubious
after this.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I thought New England. From what I could tell, this
was a corner TV game was very physical. But I
think we have to be fair with Cincinnati. You get
Jamar Chase probably on a pitch count. No T Higgins,
no boyd no mixing a lot of units. You didn't
just lose dudes. You list like B plus A plus
guys you lost. I mean you can argue T Higgins
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is a one as well as Jamar.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But if that's the case, which didn't Burle play in
the preseason to try to develop chemistry with all these
new guys. I'm looking at snap counts over here, and
we thought we saw the guy Burton the wide receiver
share four snaps in week one? What are we doing?
I don't even know the top targeted guy they had
A name is very new to me, not on my
fantasy team, but this Bengals Zach Taylor. Now here's some
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numbers on Zach Taylor. Your guy one in five in
season openers, and he's one in ten in his first
two weeks in Cincinnati. He just doesn't win early. Now
we can use the Patriots argument. Hey, Bill Belichick would
always use September as kind of an incubator to tinker
with some stuff. Maybe that's what Zach Taylor's doing. I
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don't know, seventy eight yards of offense in the first
half at home, I'm surprised, you go, oh, I just
I just think.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You know, Joe Burrow because of his injuries, they're not
gonna get hihim any snaps in the preseason. So just
by the way, you and I didn't, you and I
didn't bet this game. Why it was a big fit why?
And I think a big takeaway was, well, te Higgins
is gone, Boyd is gone, Mixing is gone. So my
take was everybody's like bet the Bengals. I was like, no, thanks.
(16:24):
I don't like big favorites. In Week one, I just,
I mean, I liked an underdog Carolina and they got House.
But I don't like big favorite. Now Week two, Week three,
Week four, all move into favorites.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Okay, So Chiefs looks like it's gonna be six, might
be seven. I don't know. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I think the Bengals will I would take the Bengals
in the points win or not, I'm not sure. I
think the Bengals will give you a very competent, capable efforts.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Chiefs get extra time off having played Thursday, and then
they're gonna beat the Bengals are gonna beat Washington and Carolina.
We would have sued. So then it's Ravens Giant.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
We know we're a joke.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
They got a lot of doubs. They're gonna be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
They do have some double Okay, all right, Hey, I
like how you're just not really concerned about Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Now there's real concern and story too. It's Jordan Love's
sprained mcl Initial reports are saying three to six weeks.
Tom Pelasorrow is saying three to six weeks. The Packers
claim that Malik Willis is their guy. By the way,
the third stringer is a gentleman named Sean Clifford who
played at Penn State for like, you know, seven years
or whatever. Super senior. And we'll see what matriculates with
(17:35):
Ryan Tannehill, who I like a lot in this spot.
I don't like Ryan Tannehill. Normally, this is the schedule
of no Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, Colts in week two, where's it at?
Speaker 5 (17:47):
It's at home? But they are now underdogs. The market
swung eight and a half points.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Okay, so I think they get a break here. So
the Packers get the Colts at home?
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Wait, wait, who's what a that game?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Colin? I would Holts would win that one. They get
extra time to prep. But I think they'll beat Tennessee
in Minnesota, so they'll be two and two and Jordan
Love comes back.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
You're beating Sam Darnold, your guy at home?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yes, so I think they'll be two and two. And
then Jordan Love comes back, and the schedule toughens up,
and you'll be fine if you can, if you if
I would go get Ryan Tannehill, I don't think Willis
is the guy.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
I'd get Joe Flacco come off some off his old
guys and play well last year with no tackles, and
Nick Chubb wasn't even there there.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Come on, No, I would bring Tannehill in because.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Lafleur is a good offensive mine.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
They'll be fun But what's the line on the Colts game?
That's fascinating. I saw three before the show.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
It had shifted. The Colts were favored by three. Now
the Colts defensive line got to straup. They they were
getting in his face up.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Colts are good, don't they just good? Yeah? I was
gonna say, don't kid yourself, the Colts are gonna be
a They're a good team. That's a that's a ten
win plus team.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
The Packers defense is anything great. I mean, sakuon Barkley
when when nuts.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'd probably take the Colts here. But I think Green
Bay is gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
We don't know what it's gonna like back from Brazil.
A lot of questions with Green Bay. All of a sudden,
Your favorite squad final story is college football. Kind of
a quiet weekend on the college football front outside of
the Notre Dame loss, But your Trojans picked up a
forty eight zero win over something called Utah State. They
are now two to zero. USC's first shutout since twenty eleven.
(19:20):
I guess they are playing defense now at USC.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Danton Lynn is their defensive coordinator. Same guys as last
year mostly.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
But oh wait, whoa they got five. I think I
saw five transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, they got a really good safety and a really
capable mic linebacker. They didn't get superstars. They got they
got really good starters, but they didn't get those aren't
top twenty transfers in the country. They got good players
new top twenty five's out. We'll tell you about USC.
They had two drop passes in the for touchdowns. This
(19:52):
Miller Moss, the quarterback kids not bad. I'm not joking
when I say this, Shador Sanders is losing ground because
of the maturity this Miller Moss kid. He is throwing ropes.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
I need to see a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
He's got a Utah State. But yes, he did look
serviceable against elis serviceable.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
They had two touchdowns dropped. They didn't play particularly well early,
but it was not on Miller Moss. I'm telling you there,
this team is way better than people think. Yeah, no, no,
you're right. They're not Ohio State, Texas, They're not that,
but they're in the next They may not be in
the top three or four, but from like four to
eight US he's in that crew.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
How you're feeling about the playoffs for that, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Just telling you if Miller Moss he is, and I
I can't believe how good he is. He doesn't ever
make the wrong throw. Everything's easy when quarterbacks make it
look everything out of the flats, easy, everything over the middle.
He makes tough throws up the sideline.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
It's just easy about this hot take. Miller Moss has
looked better than Riley Leonard.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh he is better.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Like that's not even close.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Riley Leonard, he was not making play.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
No, No, Miller Moss from the pocket is a completely
different level than that.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Lincoln Riley, Right, well that's offensive whatever.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
I'm just telling you. Riley Leonard struggles throwing the ball. Yeah,
Miller Moss everything flat, deep, middle, long. He is really something.
I hope he stays in school in hoist a trophy.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well he's like, he's like a twenty two year old junior.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
So whatever he is, I like it.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I'm gonna go back today and watch that game over
again to forty eight, nothing drubbing. You're gonna watch that
four times. I'll watch that more than Hardball watches the
Chargers days. His guys, all right, J mckle the news,
Well that's.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
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Speaker 6 (21:54):
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Speaker 5 (22:31):
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Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jim Harbaugh, fresh off that win at So Far Over
the Raiders, joined us on the show today. We appreciated
that night. First thing I asked him, I said, when
you got to LA it was a losing team. What
was the what was the big challenge your first big
challenge with the Chargers.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
Yeah, that's a that's a good question, but it was
I would say about a day and a half after
being on the field with the players, I realized that, uh,
you know, guys like Derwin James, And that's what it
hit me. I mean, just do whatever Derwin James is doing.
There's guys here Derwin, Justin Herbert, Joey Bosa, clil Mack.
(23:29):
I mean, they just do everything right with Shaun Slater,
Zion Johnson. Uh, I mean I realized that the culture
is already here. It's already set. It's already Uh, these
guys are already been They've already been doing the dirty
work and they and they do it with a great
love and passion for football, care for their teammates and
the and the organization.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
So it was it was already set.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So I just.
Speaker 8 (23:53):
Realized real early on that, uh, I'm the lucky one
to be here and and uh just go with what
they what they what they've got established. And that's really
it caused me to say, it's the best darn job
I've ever had to start out with. And now you know,
being into it for these many months, Man, this feels
like just the best darn job I've ever had.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Well, some of that's justin Herbert. Usually you don't get
you don't inherit justin Herbert as your first quarterback when
you met him. How long did it take, because yesterday
it was classic Justin Herbert. Three or four big throws
doesn't turn it over? Smart kid, How long did it
take you to figure out Herbert and go, Wow, I
(24:35):
got something special here?
Speaker 8 (24:39):
Cal, I mean right away first time you watch him throw.
The talent is there in every single way, athletic, ability,
the work, ethic. Nobody works harder than Justin Herbert on
our team, smart as they come, like a human brain
for a computer chip. Many times I just sat by
(24:59):
my desk and go, yeah, he's on our team. But
then just just everything about him is his leadership qualities.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
And and then the then you see it, you see
it all the fierceness, the way he competes. Uh, he
is a fierce competitor, really really has it, has it all.
And you know, I thought we did some really good things,
a lot to improve, nothing like winning a game, but
still having a lot there on the table too, uh,
(25:29):
where you can get better. And but we did a
we did a pretty decent job of protecting him. And
uh and that's that's job number one, make sure Justin
Herbert can finish the throwing motion.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Finally, Jim, you got the game ball from Dean Spanos
And I said this last week, I've never seen you
this happy. You you are happy. And after that game,
when he gave you that game ball, you are like
you were twenty three years old again, twenty four years old.
What did it mean to you?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Uh?
Speaker 8 (25:58):
Uh, you haven't see me in the after after winds
very often that you know. That's uh, yeah, I really
love wedding and uh, just you know, there's probably no
better place to be than in a winning locker room.
Uh when you're you know, you picture it him. It's
just a group of guys, you know, men and women
(26:18):
in a in an organization that are you know, striving,
putting everything their heart and soul into into a game.
And uh, it just means so much when when you're victorious.
So yeah, there's not a lot of better feelings.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You know, uh.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Than that.
Speaker 8 (26:39):
Now, maybe maybe a road win.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Uh, you know, when you when.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
You're playing on the road and you got to battle
the the the opposing crowd and the opposing team, and
if you throw in some elements, you know, maybe some weather,
some rains, snows, some cold. You know, nothing makes you
feel more like a man than than getting a win
in that kind of environment. But yesterday, yeah, pretty darn great.
Now and they're all they're all, uh, they all feel
(27:04):
really good. Colin, There's it's hard to win in.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
This league, yep, against a division rival, the Raiders at
so far so now, And again, I think the NFL
does a pretty good job of giving stories life like
they gave. They gave the Bears will Levice in Week one,
didn't play well, still won. Now that makes the Bears
Houston week two much more captivating. So what do you
(27:30):
know now they give them Carolina. The Carolina will play
really hard. They My rule in the NFL for betting,
if a team is humiliated, they always play great the
following week. So Carolina is gonna play as good as
they can play. I don't think that's good enough, but
they're gonna play as good as they can play. And
then you get a Pittsburgh team that's a that's a
(27:52):
water pistol offense. And then you get then it gets tough.
But you start looking at that. Come on now, j Mac,
you start looking at that Charger schedule. There's some dubs there.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
So I got some lines here. Do you want to
hear Chargers Panthers? Do you want to guess it?
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, Chargers at Panthers. It's a early kickoff,
so West Coast team going east.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
I think Carolina getting three and a half.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
That was maybe last week. It's Los Angeles Chargers favored
by six and a half. That's a huge number on
the road for a Chargers team that they're not gonna
get separation. You know, they're not like airing it out
with Herbert. They want to run the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, they're a physical I mean that game will be
very close for a while. They're not gonna blow you out.
They don't throw them all over the top.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
I can't go back to the Panthers Week one loss.
I'm done. I'm done, done, done, no no one, no Moss.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
There's some interesting Week two long Detroit and Tampa both
let me guess, did give me a home against Tampa. Okay, okay, here,
So Detroit played poorly and won. So Sean Payton always
told me the best weeks to coach, you play like
crap and win. He goes, you can just be rough
(29:02):
on your players. You can because they're happy they won,
but they know they played poorly. So Detroit comes out
and now Tampa, Tampa's feeling it. It's like this is college.
I'm gonna throw it for a thousand yard Detroit, I
would guess is a six point face.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Oh nailed it. Detroit currently minus six.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
I'll take Detroit to win in cover.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
Okay, how about this one Seattle at New England, right,
give me a second, So now settle this is one
of the longest road trips from Seattle to New England.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, they're called planes. They'll get fine, I know, but
still it's a it's not a locomotive to Foxborough. I
think New England. I would sell New England stock. My
guess is it's four Seattle minus four.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Seattle minus three and a half. Interesting. I'm pretty Pino
Smith is now being favored on the road. Are we
are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Sam Darnold was favored on the road, and what happened bad.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
It's a science. I mean the Patriots defense is Boxton Borough?
Or have we got time for one more? U?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (30:02):
Cowboys Saints, Saints off the big win forty seven points,
they get Dallas.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
They're gonna come way back to earth. Dallas favored minus
six and a half.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Oh my gosh, did somebody tell you that that he
nailed it exactly?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (30:14):
How fine?
Speaker 4 (30:15):
One more?
Speaker 5 (30:15):
One more Rams at Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh scares me. Overtime loss.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
We don't know about Pooka Nakua.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
It'sa playing No, we don't know. Well, I think they
get one of their I think did they get Haven's
time back?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I don't know. We're running out of time.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, I would say Rams minus two?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What is it? Pick them?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I'm taking the Rams?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Are you.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Grudgingly?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
It's a good game. See you tomorrow.
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