April 25, 2025 • 31 mins
Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show in studio to tell Colin why the Cowboys had a stellar first round pick and where Sanders will end up getting selected
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in
a while, the playmaker, I.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Miss you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I was missing Okay, let's get let's start in a
positive note. So I am a believer that football practice
is hard baseball, hitting the balls from batting cage. Basketball
practice a good time. Football practice stinks. You need guys
who love the game. I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like,
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I want that guy on my team. I don't. I
don't watch interior lineman much. To me. It's like starter
day one. Now they got their guards. DA's coming off
a second surgery. Keep those feet and knees clean. What
did you think of it?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know? And I spoke all week Colin, and I
took my strategic approach to this. I knew the last
three those three years we went twelve and five. We
had a thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about
twenty eight twenty eight points a game.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And last year we dropped the twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I wanted gent R McMillan, so I did try to
put those seven eight points back on the board strengthen
one unit because we had too many places that we
need to field with players. I didn't get my playmakers,
but I'm with you, buddy, I got a great player
because I always talk this game is like you talked about,
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it's not just about skill, it's also about will.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And I'll give up.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
A little skill if I know this guy got the
right will in the right excitement and one of those
guys that no matter what, when I come to work,
he's gonna make me feel like working. He has the
right attitude. You need those guys on your team and
you cannot go anywhere without them. And the way he
handled that drivet towards when he yelled and big three
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hundred pounds come running. You know how hard do you
get the fat jokes in the run and he was
running for free.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He wouldn't even get paid for that run.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Come on, man, let's stop playing it. I love that attitude.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when
he left Alice, he went to Miami as the GM,
and he took a one win team to an eleven,
and he went and stole a few of the Cowboys,
not their stars. He went and got weight room guys,
passionate guys, and there's just value in guys that love
going to work. You can build your Now you need stars,
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but you win a lot of games on passion culture,
weight room, locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because
I like him more than Jackson dart shadeor Sanders the
Steelers in his sights and they go defensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And the pain of that moment was we knew that
for years, for years, not just this year. It's been
since Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been
looking and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here,
I thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity
to get that taken care of, and you went and
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drafted another alignment. That was surprising because I can't, in
my own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike
Tumblin of a quarterback. Even if I couldn't imagine if
Mike Tumblin was on the table saying, I get him.
I got my quarterback right here, he's right here for us,
and they went by him. So so that was the
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hard take right there at twenty one, which is Deon's number,
to be passed for them to.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Pass the door, Why do you think people passed?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says,
and I don't care. You can't find anybody that to
sitting in this chair that tells you that they've seen
a kid have that kind of success.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
On the football field.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I've seen them through every play on the football field,
and we were going through this. There's no way this
is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is
where he doesn't run.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Like, what about the stories that came out this week
where there's a lot of ego, What about that stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You need ego.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You need egos, especially for where some of these teams
are and for where they've been. Some of these teams
have been in a hellhole for a long long time.
What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest,
nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To come pull you out of that hellhole. You need
people with egos.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That's what I'm talking about it's always the organizations that
haven't won anything, and forever talking about guys with egos.
You need different people to come change your culture. Stop
talking about that guy has an ego. Maybe the ego's
big enough to get you out of this hull hell hole.
Go drive him. That's what you need. So I don't
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give substance to that kind of scion.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The Cowboys team had ego.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
You need it.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You're walking on the field to get some of the
greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you,
how the hell can you think anyone else will believe
in you. So you need that that that's not that's
that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play
on the football field. Those are the stuff that people
that wear the suits say, people that wear the uniforms
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on the football field, they know how important ego is.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's the stuff. They're stupid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So I think it'll be fine. I would rather play
them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter, No, because I
think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather have
twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who are decoys.
I want them in the game I am. I do
think Jacksonville's got a new coach, a new coordinator, new GM,
got that toggle between. Are you in the meetings? Tell
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me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter? Is it
gonna be a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I laugh when people say this to me. You know,
Will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking?
I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's
get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or
any meeting off for Helma Copter and shut jokers down.
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You see what I mean. Put him in the offensive meetings,
make sure he gets his timing with the quarterback, and
then tell him we'll see you in defensive practice. He
knows what cover one is, that's man coverage. He knows
what Cover two is, that's two safeties back and we uppressing.
He knows what Cover three is, that's the coverage with
one high safety. You know that stuff from birth.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, let's pray keep Tille once told me this.
I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god,
how long? Bill Belichick very sophisticated. He says, yeah, by
the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right.
I knew where I had to be.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right right, especially like them, because I gotta stop that guy,
all right, I gotta stop that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's why he's.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Coming in that This dude here is going to be
I have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him
on your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays
on offense. So you Johnsonville was brilliant last night. I
don't care what anybody swings.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Gave up a lot and you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I don't think they gave up a lot. They got
two first rounders. So you're saying they gave up two
first rounds Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick
next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right right right now, and that's why. And right there again,
do you think they'll take it ended with pain? And
I don't want just want to start with pain. And
I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized he
didn't get drafted. Now you come back, Cleveland passes again.
Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would
throw That would throw me for such a loop. Because
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if if you can pick up a should do it
in the second round. We I know people are saying
that's because I love beonn and I do, and he's
my boy, and he is. But we never seen anybody
have this kind of success in college, that kind of
success and and and watch this at the quarterback position,
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and we know how important it is.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So yeah, he was the most accurate quarterback in college
ever with allows office low, I like, we both like him.
I would pick him in the first I would have
taken him. I would have taken Vi. With Pittsburgh, I
would have they didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right,
so you talked me into cam Ward. I again, I
don't start the fires. I just I'm a journalist, right,
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So I had, I had, I suggested. I didn't know
if cam Ward could lead my friends, and these were
internet rumors. I just laid him out there, but I do.
I made everybody I talked to. So at the end
of the day, he's a I mean, a kid, no
star recruit, right, ra. That is actually totally impressive to me.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And it's the story you want going around in your
locker room. Man, this dude works his way up. You
know most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything
in the NFL locker room. You like when you hear
that a kid worked this way up, you know, it
means he's willing to put into work that I'm willing
to follow him. And this kid is willing to put
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into work.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael,
the one thing I love about him. All he cares
about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys
at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's that's going to be. That's going to work great.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It reminds me a lot of steaming there he does,
and he is steaming there and that city had a
great union, and I think this would be a great union.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So yeah, And that we have to be honest about
this is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad.
Had twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe
vice versa. So he J Mack and I both believe
they will be a playoff team. That he's the only
guy in the draft that can change outcomes. Now other
guys will be good. He could change four losses to
four wins, right.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It put with the right situation and and this is
this is no thing too iking it because we did
the comps to Patrick Mahomes and I was like, Okay,
I love that the way the way he this dude
never gives up on a play, gives you opportunities, gives
a receiver opportunity after the first play, second, playing third,
you know, giving him more times within the play. Never
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gives up on the play, and that I think that
that's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Sometimes I used to get mad at him. I thought
he had a route.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
On the shorter route, he would go back in and
take a deeper playoff and throw the ball, throw the ball,
but he would always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee,
you got one of the great ones.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:53):
So when you watch the draft and you know it's
it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain,
great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to
twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take
is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca
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at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick.
When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again
a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not
a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character
becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid
they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you
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think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think it matters that you have that kind of
understanding about how important it is that you show up
and be a certain way every day. Every time I
talk to anything or anybody, I always talk about if
you're a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be
able to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that
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kind of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're
supposed to be, putting in the work, letting people see
you put in the work. That stuff matters big time,
especially at this level. So you're right, You're right, and
any truth. Every year we hear people that are dropping
because we talk on the same character. You know, I
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don't like them. I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy.
It is always love. If you can beat somebody on
the football field, you got a position. But the real rest,
the rest of life, the rest of life, people are
making decisions on who they like and who they don't like.
And when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing
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with a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with
the rest of life people, people that are making decisions
on who they like and who they don't like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's not just about football. So you're right, character really matters.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Where do you want to see Dallas go with their
next pick? So they went and got interior line. They
could use it back, they could use a tight end,
or do you want to see them go where would
you like them to go?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant.
If we're not going if we have all of these
spots that we need to field, we're not going to
be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit
and be dominant and win this way. And that's the
offensive unit. And to help we got with Tyler Booker.
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That's the right area we needed help there. That's the
right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, you see what I'm saying that that's what the
Bears are doing.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
With Caleb Right, Let's stay on the offensive side. Let's
try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game
and we can fill in on defense and we can
put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that.
We have to get Michael Parson's signe. Since we are
filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns
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out in the locker room, we need Michael Parkson in
the locker room in training camp, not holding out to
try to get whatever guys he got on defense together
as one so they can try to play good defense.
When we give him thirty points. They just got to
hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you
thirty and we could be right back in the thick
of it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael irban Itchel was
a pleasure to see him.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
My man. Always great to sit in this chair and
just kick it with you.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
My brother Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
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Speaker 5 (14:38):
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Speaker 1 (14:40):
Like Tyler Brooker.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
That's right, I'm ready to.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Let's get started with the top of the second round,
which kicks off tonight. Shadoor Sanders available, Will Johnson available,
Shalen Milroe still out there.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
We have a list of other notables on the market.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You want to take a look, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
You know there's a couple quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Tyler Shook.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I'm not as big of a believer in anything.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I'm a big believer in Will Johnson. Okay, So if
you're asking me to rate these guys in order, you didn't,
I would say I high like highlight Will Johnson to
light a lot. I like Will Joe. I like Trevon
Henderson a lot. The kid the Minnesota offensive tackle ursery
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probably gonna go somebody. Somebody's gonna get a starting left
tackle in the second round. He's a He's a very
highly thought of player.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Luther Burden was awesome two years ago. A little less awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Slot guy, explosive guy.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I'm green.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
The kid out of Marshall is immensely talented, but he's
got a bit of a background history too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Big time people love Trey Harris from all miss Yep yep.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
So there's a lot of good players out there. Top
of the second is always interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
If you're Cleveland and you get a call, you have
the first pick and you want you like Shador, but
you have quarterbacks, Well.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Who's calling It depends who's call they have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Well, no, I think here's what Cleveland's doing. What if
Cleveland like Shadur and Tyler Shuck and then nobody likes Tylers. Well,
I'm just saying a lot. So let's say they do.
If I'm Cleveland, I don't think it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I mean, they are not taking a quarterback. Titans are not.
It's Patriots are not. It's going to be one of
those first five or Sedur goes to the third.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
If I'm Cleveland, they've already got two first next year,
how about two seconds. If I'm Cleveland, I've got the
thirty six pick. I don't think it's the craziest thing,
because you, again, you want the roster. So when the
quarterback arrives, if you don't have you need a quarterback,
but Chedeuring shuck, you don't. Your scouting department is, and
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they've drafted pretty well, Andrew Berry's drafted. Well, my take is,
I think I'd move that first pick. I keep the
second one. Four picks later. I think I'd move that
first pick and get another. I'd load up on next
years draft. And if you end up winning six games
and you have the seventh pick and you want to
get to number two, you're gonna need ones and twos.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know, I know, we love to say this next
year's quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We do this all the time. Are we certain Arch
Manning is going.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
To be that guy? Well, we certain there are a
handful of quarterbacks. So a year out there's always surprises.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Don't want to go this time.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Carson Beck number he was the hot name right right, Iceman,
number one pick, all that up.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
There's always surprises. But the people I trust say it
is a better quarterback draft next year. Also, every year
a free agent quarterback lands. Now Cleveland's not gonna do
that because of the Shawn Watson contract, But there are
teams out there. There will be at least two quarterbacks
in the league that are capable that'll be on the market,
and I will say there'll be at least three draftable
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first round.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
If Kyler Murray and the Cardinals goes win six games,
would you because he becomes that.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That is a great point. So Kai's a great one.
If Kyler again, you look him at the division, he
finishes fourth is Kyler?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I just don't see him in Cleveland as an outdoor guy.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They're not gonna pay for a quarterback. They have to
go find a bon Nix. See, you can't pay two quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Even Pittsburgh. I don't know that he fits in Pittsburgh.
Cold weather outdoor games, Kyler Murray, no shot, He's gotta
be Doe warm Weather. Anyways, let's go to the second story.
Jimmy Butler. The injury that he suffered in Game two.
He's currently being listed as doubtful Colin. They're calling it
a deep glute muscle contusion, which is a fancy way
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of saying he's got a butt bruise. As a series
tied at one, game three, we know is hugely pivotal.
If Butler doesn't play, I think I'm gonna be on
the Rockets.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Not for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I took him in I think I took the Rockets
in seven, six or seven. So I mean this is
I didn't predict this, but it really helps when the
NBA is letting players play. Depth helps, and Houston is
so deep athletically, they just have extra bodies and that
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allows you to play hyper physical and get into more
foul trouble.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Well, I think the big story to watch here, speaking
of depth, is what's up with Jonathan Kamenka Steve Courr
essentially benched him in one.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
He's in the doghouse.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
But if Butler doesn't play, Kamenka's gonna have like thirty
minutes because he played a lot in Game two.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I think he was like four to twelve. But they
don't love him, but they need him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh, they need him, especially against the length of the rocket. Yeah,
I mean kaminga is I mean not even the dogs extension.
Elis Tim Kawakami. I think reported. I think he reported that.
It's I'll just say this, It's been discussed in the
Bay Area that it's over you when you get d
N Peeves coaches decision and you're an athletic long and
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you have length the team needs.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
It's oh, who they're playing Quinton Post. I didn't know
who that guy was. Another looks all white guys Netherlands.
I think he went to Boston Curry.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You gotta follow Netherlands YouTube high school in college videos.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But I say this about Kamenca because there's a guy
who was Remember they drafted James Wiseman and Kumena and
they were like, we're gonna do the two timelines camp. Listen,
Bob Myers get to pass for this because he's out
of there now.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He whisped on both go timeout. The Wiseman Draft was
an awful draft. It was, but nobody else the only
Ann Edwards I think was the only good player in
that mellow ball went gonna take Lamelow with Steph Curry, I.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Would have been Montellis all over again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I mean it's it's that was a I give
him a pack. There have been two drafts in my
life that was one otherwards the Victor Oladipo Draft. Like
there are just drafts. There's just no play.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
NFL draft where Zach Wilson went second that the drafts
out with a bad pick. Every every quarterback there was
has been awful, including Trevor Lawrence. Final story, Colin My
Lakers against the Timberwolves tonight. It's gonna get lost in
the Game three coverage. But this is an interesting story.
So we talked yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
About how Luca might be Lebron's best teammate of all time. Yeah, well,
Dwayne Wade heard.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
This and he doesn't like what he's seeing from the
Lakers so far. Listen to this closely about Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is all I want to see.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I want to see him be the too bad at
because on the planet, oh dowgether. I don't want to
see nobody be badder than you, as simple as that.
You're watching that game and I'm watching Anthony Erras beat
a bad beat a.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Bab the court.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I don't like that. And it ain't just about points.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
It's just sometimes it's about the way you walk, it's
about the way you talk, it's about the way you
get about you falls sometimes I need to see it.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Okay, So this is a larger discussion on the basketball culture.
Dwayne Wade wants Lebron and Luca to talk trash and
be bad mfs on the court, pointing and flex it.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And I'm like, Dwayne, what, really, that's what you want?
These guys missed me with the culture. Sometimes I don't
get that that mindset. I want Luca distributing.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I don't want him like you know, like you know
who doesn't do that, the Celtics Seth Curry. I just
I don't know, Just go out and play, be a
great teammate, bust your butt. I don't mind a little attitude.
I like a little swag.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
But you know who was flexing last night The Detroit
Pistons all night. They lost at home.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Like Anthony Edwards could talk all he wants and point
the Spider Man stuff that, Luca, that's great, give me
the wins. I love wait too, Man Wade, those one
of my favorite players.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Oh oh, when you got draft stuff? Look at it?
Colin looking at his phone as I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Things percolating. All right, Diana Russini, what do we got it?
We have to have the same source. The Steelers have
been receiving calls on George Pickens. Pittsburgh is open to
conversations as it navigates Friday night without a second round.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Pick, So they want to go?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I thought that would get you a third.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Are they trying to get into the second to get
Shador and part with Pickens?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's it's worth its sense.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Nobody's given up a two for Pickens. Just scrunch old receiver?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Who gone?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And he's try at three? If he wasn't disgruntled, he's
a two. That attitude crap, that makes him a three talent.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
He's a first round.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Oh he's a huge talent, really good, huge. But again,
sorry cameras, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
How long do you think he would last? In my
spot on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
He'd want the ball and I wouldn't pass.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
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Speaker 6 (24:04):
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Speaker 5 (24:11):
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Speaker 1 (24:15):
All Right. NFL Draft Underway Round two begins later tonight.
A lot of good players those first twelve to fifteen picks, Jaymack,
are you ready to go bored?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Ready?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Baby? All right, Tomorrows headlines today is what we call it.
What will the headline be for the Tennessee Titans next season?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
We love the cam Ward pick. I think you and
I both the division's winnable. They can do some damage.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
The headline for the Tennessee Titans will be Wam.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Bam, thank you caam. Titans found in playoff position. I
don't see why they can't triple their win total to
nine wins. Same, it's not out of the realm.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Houston.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
They took a step back, okay, when the offensive line
is shoo losing digs.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I don't know that they're going to be as great
as they were last year.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Still don't know about the Colts in their quarterback situation
and Jacksonville new coach, new GM.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
What do we expect?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
So I like Callahan and cam Ward I think would
be in a lot of three wide sets. I like
the running back combos, Spears and Pollard. I mean, I
think three wins to nine is reasonable. But then again,
I didn't see bo Nicks coming. I didn't see Jayden
Daniels coming.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
You saw them.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
So I'm getting on board with cam warden an effort
to make that right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Tomorrow's headlines today the che going up to get Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Didn't love the deal. I think they gave up a
little too much.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
However, the headline will be holy Crapsonville Jags go from
hunted to hunter. I think the big takeaway here is
they've got instantly a top ten pairing of wide receivers
in the league. Brian Thomas, the rookie latcher, was phenomenal.
Eighty seven catches, twelve hundred yards, ten touchdowns. He won
me a fantasy league. He was everywhere and by the way,
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he didn't only have Lawrence, he had to catch passes
from Mac Jones, your boy McEnroe Jones. So I think
with that wide receiver pairing a new head coach, if
Trevor Lawrence is healthy, that's the big question. Last two years,
he's been hurt. Two years ago he played through the
injuries and it didn't go well. I think they can
have a good season, but I'm I don't love this
trade for Jacksonville the way that some of the Jags
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fans are geeked.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Giants give up a lot to throw
at dart later in the first round Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
As a Jets fan, I think they will appreciate this headline.
The headline for the Giants well by dart Board early
pick ends up being pointless. I'm on record that Daboll
and Shane do not survive this. I think they are
gutted after this year. First of all, Daboll came out
said Russell Wilson's our starter last night.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Really, so, what are you training.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Jameis Winston because Pittsburgh could use a quarterback? What do
you do with James Is Jackson? Dark gonna be inactive
for the first half.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Of the season.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Like, I just don't under stand this at all. There
were two other offensive linemen drafted after this. The Texans
could have just stayed put. I don't understand the Jackson
Dart love Colin. Maybe I'm missing something. Do you are
you on board with this?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Does this do anything for the drives are still last?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean Jackson Dart would have been available with the
second pick they would have today had they not traded
it away.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Well, look at the headline for the
winner of the first round.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Okay, we're on opposite sides here, You're vehemently on opposite sides.
The headline, well, b splat Atlanta Falcons land a haymaker
at end of round one.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm in a minority here.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
I love going after two sec ed rushers who are
absolute beasts. Walker and Pierce are going to be a
problem in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Do you know in the last five years, no Falcons
player has more than seven sacks?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I know they can't get to the quarterback. That's why
they went and got Matt Judah last.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So they've got Pennix and b Jean Robinson, Drake London.
I like that nucleus. Kyle Pitts is kind of on
the outside looking in, but I love of these two
heag rushers. Jesse Bates on the back end, aj Terrell
a good corner. Give me the give me the Falcons
to win this division next year over the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's a take. Finally, tomorrows headlines to that. What's going
to be the headline for Chedeure Sanders in the draft.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
I'd say we save the best for last.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But the headline for Sedor will be what happens in
the third round stays in the third round. I think
the Vegas Raiders are like, hey, we can't take him
too early.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We just got g Wow. I think they take him
in the third round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Tink he nobody picks him in the second.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Well, it's no, It's not like thirty two teams are
clamoring for him the second round. No, it's like three
or four, and I just think there's more higher value players,
like by the way, I know he loves the Raiders.
He's he's been putting them on his Instagram legendary. I
just I can't see anybody taking a flyer in the second.
I'm not willing to bet any significant money, but I
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don't think the Browns do it. And then the Steelers
do they get in the second to go after them.
This is a precipitous fall for Shador standers. I feel
a little bad for him. We had a good talk.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
With some of the guys on staff.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
You don't have to feel bad for Shadur, but watching
him go through that colin.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh, it's a painful, dude, that is brutal.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's brutal.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean I just two weeks ago he was like, Oh,
where's he going in the top five?
Speaker 5 (29:18):
And it's like top ten.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I will say this, the college football world sent a
message to that Tennessee quarterback, Oh, lower the temperature. Do
you love football or what football provides? I didn't love
I didn't love Chadure in the room. Legendary and the
New York Giant cleats. It's not the end of the world.
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But guys, just fault on the side of humility before
you're drafted.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Now he can use this as fuel as he's that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, and again, it's not the end of the world.
Just you I tell my kids, you know all, you
don't have to love every time you go to an interview.
Just fault on the side of being on time and
being humble.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And listen.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Tom Brady remembers every quarterback picked ahead of him USUS fuel.
Michael Jordan made up these fake scenarios to get him
angry and fired up, like you can do.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Reno dropped, Aaron Rodgers dropped.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
It's not in those classes.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A lot of these quarterbacks that they're not a lot
of guys that went number one and end up being
great at quarterback. It's a I mean, Mahomes went tenth,
Josh Allen didn't go one, Lamar went late first. There's
nothing wrong would drop. I mean if he ended up
going late second, and you know, you know, a really
quality team says, you know what, We're not gonna play him.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Let's roll over to mczay McVeigh says, hey, you know what,
Matt Stafford's old.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Should we take a flyer on shit?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I just but it's it's you know.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Hey, Let's remember Lamar Jackson was asleep in the green
room at the end of the first round. There are
images all over the inn of him and his mom
and loaded their heads on the table downcast.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
He's now got two eavps. It's not over.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You make your money in the second contract in the
NFL anyway, the first one. You're not getting rich. You're
gonna make it in a second if you're gonna make
it at all, So why not go to a better
organization a little later? See them Monday. It's the third
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
All right, Michael IRV and haven't had him on in
a while, the playmaker, I.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Miss you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I was missing Okay, let's get let's start in a
positive note. So I am a believer that football practice
is hard baseball, hitting the balls from batting cage. Basketball
practice a good time. Football practice stinks. You need guys
who love the game. I watched Tyler Booker. I'm like,
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I want that guy on my team. I don't. I
don't watch interior lineman much. To me. It's like starter
day one. Now they got their guards. DA's coming off
a second surgery. Keep those feet and knees clean. What
did you think of it?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You know? And I spoke all week Colin, and I
took my strategic approach to this. I knew the last
three those three years we went twelve and five. We
had a thirty twenty eight twenty seven points, so about
twenty eight twenty eight points a game.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
And last year we dropped the twenty.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I wanted gent R McMillan, so I did try to
put those seven eight points back on the board strengthen
one unit because we had too many places that we
need to field with players. I didn't get my playmakers,
but I'm with you, buddy, I got a great player
because I always talk this game is like you talked about,
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it's not just about skill, it's also about will.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And I'll give up.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
A little skill if I know this guy got the
right will in the right excitement and one of those
guys that no matter what, when I come to work,
he's gonna make me feel like working. He has the
right attitude. You need those guys on your team and
you cannot go anywhere without them. And the way he
handled that drivet towards when he yelled and big three
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hundred pounds come running. You know how hard do you
get the fat jokes in the run and he was
running for free.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He wouldn't even get paid for that run.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Come on, man, let's stop playing it. I love that attitude.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, I loved this from Bill Parcells years ago when
he left Alice, he went to Miami as the GM,
and he took a one win team to an eleven,
and he went and stole a few of the Cowboys,
not their stars. He went and got weight room guys,
passionate guys, and there's just value in guys that love
going to work. You can build your Now you need stars,
(02:44):
but you win a lot of games on passion culture,
weight room, locker room. Okay, Now I am surprised because
I like him more than Jackson dart shadeor Sanders the
Steelers in his sights and they go defensive linemen.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
And the pain of that moment was we knew that
for years, for years, not just this year. It's been
since Ben Roethlisberger stepped off the football field. They've been
looking and never have given Mike Tumblin his quarterback. Here,
I thought was the perfect situation and a perfect opportunity
to get that taken care of, and you went and
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drafted another alignment. That was surprising because I can't, in
my own mind rationalized after the organizations had cheated Mike
Tumblin of a quarterback. Even if I couldn't imagine if
Mike Tumblin was on the table saying, I get him.
I got my quarterback right here, he's right here for us,
and they went by him. So so that was the
(03:45):
hard take right there at twenty one, which is Deon's number,
to be passed for them to.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Pass the door, Why do you think people passed?
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That blows my mind. I don't care what anybody says,
and I don't care. You can't find anybody that to
sitting in this chair that tells you that they've seen
a kid have that kind of success.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
On the football field.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I've seen them through every play on the football field,
and we were going through this. There's no way this
is an arm strength thing. There's no way this is
where he doesn't run.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Like, what about the stories that came out this week
where there's a lot of ego, What about that stuff?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
You need ego.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
You need egos, especially for where some of these teams
are and for where they've been. Some of these teams
have been in a hellhole for a long long time.
What do you think you gonna get the greatest, little, kindest,
nicest guys.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
To come pull you out of that hellhole. You need
people with egos.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
That's what I'm talking about it's always the organizations that
haven't won anything, and forever talking about guys with egos.
You need different people to come change your culture. Stop
talking about that guy has an ego. Maybe the ego's
big enough to get you out of this hull hell hole.
Go drive him. That's what you need. So I don't
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give substance to that kind of scion.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The Cowboys team had ego.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
You need it.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
You're walking on the field to get some of the
greatest athletes in the world. If you don't believe in you,
how the hell can you think anyone else will believe
in you. So you need that that that's not that's
that's nothing, and that stuff that people that don't play
on the football field. Those are the stuff that people
that wear the suits say, people that wear the uniforms
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on the football field, they know how important ego is.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's the stuff. They're stupid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
So I think it'll be fine. I would rather play
them at receiver than corner. Travis Hunter, No, because I
think it's more of an offensive league. I'd rather have
twelve targets than chasing guys over the field who are decoys.
I want them in the game I am. I do
think Jacksonville's got a new coach, a new coordinator, new GM,
got that toggle between. Are you in the meetings? Tell
(06:03):
me about the meeting thing with Travis Hunter? Is it
gonna be a problem.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I laugh when people say this to me. You know,
Will can Travis play both shives? I said, are you joking?
I was there, I saw it. I saw Dion Sander's
get off of HeLa Copter. Wasn't in any practice or
any meeting off for Helma Copter and shut jokers down.
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You see what I mean. Put him in the offensive meetings,
make sure he gets his timing with the quarterback, and
then tell him we'll see you in defensive practice. He
knows what cover one is, that's man coverage. He knows
what Cover two is, that's two safeties back and we uppressing.
He knows what Cover three is, that's the coverage with
one high safety. You know that stuff from birth.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, let's pray keep Tille once told me this.
I asked him about the Patriots. I said, oh god,
how long? Bill Belichick very sophisticated. He says, yeah, by
the end of the second practice, I knew what it was, right.
I knew where I had to be.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Right right, especially like them, because I gotta stop that guy,
all right, I gotta stop that guy.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's why he's.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Coming in that This dude here is going to be
I have to stop that guy. You're gonna put him
on your best guy, even after he ran twenty plays
on offense. So you Johnsonville was brilliant last night. I
don't care what anybody swings.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Gave up a lot and you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I don't think they gave up a lot. They got
two first rounders. So you're saying they gave up two
first rounds Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Now, not only did Cleveland get a first round pick
next year, Cleveland's got the first pick this morning or.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Right right right now, and that's why. And right there again,
do you think they'll take it ended with pain? And
I don't want just want to start with pain. And
I'm talking about his day yesterday after he realized he
didn't get drafted. Now you come back, Cleveland passes again.
Then then then I'm like, oh my god, that would
throw That would throw me for such a loop. Because
(07:58):
if if you can pick up a should do it
in the second round. We I know people are saying
that's because I love beonn and I do, and he's
my boy, and he is. But we never seen anybody
have this kind of success in college, that kind of
success and and and watch this at the quarterback position,
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and we know how important it is.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
So yeah, he was the most accurate quarterback in college
ever with allows office low, I like, we both like him.
I would pick him in the first I would have
taken him. I would have taken Vi. With Pittsburgh, I
would have they didn't need more defensive talent. Okay, right,
so you talked me into cam Ward. I again, I
don't start the fires. I just I'm a journalist, right,
(08:42):
So I had, I had, I suggested. I didn't know
if cam Ward could lead my friends, and these were
internet rumors. I just laid him out there, but I do.
I made everybody I talked to. So at the end
of the day, he's a I mean, a kid, no
star recruit, right, ra. That is actually totally impressive to me.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And it's the story you want going around in your
locker room. Man, this dude works his way up. You
know most quarterbacks, you guys, they're trying to get everything
in the NFL locker room. You like when you hear
that a kid worked this way up, you know, it
means he's willing to put into work that I'm willing
to follow him. And this kid is willing to put
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into work.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Man.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
I talked to coach Crystal Ball yesterday about him. He said, Michael,
the one thing I love about him. All he cares
about is winning. And he knows how the rally guys
at quarterback in this league and in Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's that's going to be. That's going to work great.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It reminds me a lot of steaming there he does,
and he is steaming there and that city had a
great union, and I think this would be a great union.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So yeah, And that we have to be honest about
this is that Tennessee quarterback play last year was bad.
Had twenty one touchdowns and twenty two picks or maybe
vice versa. So he J Mack and I both believe
they will be a playoff team. That he's the only
guy in the draft that can change outcomes. Now other
guys will be good. He could change four losses to
four wins, right.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
It put with the right situation and and this is
this is no thing too iking it because we did
the comps to Patrick Mahomes and I was like, Okay,
I love that the way the way he this dude
never gives up on a play, gives you opportunities, gives
a receiver opportunity after the first play, second, playing third,
you know, giving him more times within the play. Never
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gives up on the play, and that I think that
that's going to be great.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Sometimes I used to get mad at him. I thought
he had a route.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
On the shorter route, he would go back in and
take a deeper playoff and throw the ball, throw the ball,
but he would always come out on top. I'm telling you, Tennessee,
you got one of the great ones.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
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Speaker 1 (10:53):
So when you watch the draft and you know it's
it's interesting about character. So Booker Tyler Booker, team captain,
great character. Many say, well, he got drafted ten to
twelve spots ahead of where we thought. And my take
is in an average draft, character matters more and Mecca
(11:14):
at book Ohio State, he was a mid second round pick.
When the season was over, he gets drafted nineteenth again
a plus character. Could I argue that when it's not
a great draft, you were in this league forever. Character
becomes more important. And the Cowboys part of the kid
they drafted was All American team captain. Unbelievable. Do you
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think that stuff matters more when the players aren't as great?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, I think that.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I think it matters that you have that kind of
understanding about how important it is that you show up
and be a certain way every day. Every time I
talk to anything or anybody, I always talk about if
you're a leader, you gotta first lead yourself to be
able to lead anybody else. That's why that person, that
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kind of infectious personality matters. Showing up, being where you're
supposed to be, putting in the work, letting people see
you put in the work. That stuff matters big time,
especially at this level. So you're right, You're right, and
any truth. Every year we hear people that are dropping
because we talk on the same character. You know, I
(12:24):
don't like them. I don't like this football. It's the meritocracy.
It is always love. If you can beat somebody on
the football field, you got a position. But the real rest,
the rest of life, the rest of life, people are
making decisions on who they like and who they don't like.
And when we get in these draft rooms, we're dealing
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with a lot of people, not football. We're dealing with
the rest of life people, people that are making decisions
on who they like and who they don't like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It's not just about football. So you're right, character really matters.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Where do you want to see Dallas go with their
next pick? So they went and got interior line. They
could use it back, they could use a tight end,
or do you want to see them go where would
you like them to go?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Right, My philosophy has been build one unit to be dominant.
If we're not going if we have all of these
spots that we need to field, we're not going to
be able to fill them all. Let's build one unit
and be dominant and win this way. And that's the
offensive unit. And to help we got with Tyler Booker.
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That's the right area we needed help there. That's the
right spot. Let's stay on the offensive side.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, you see what I'm saying that that's what the
Bears are doing.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
With Caleb Right, Let's stay on the offensive side. Let's
try to get this to a twenty pointeen every game
and we can fill in on defense and we can
put it together on defense. Now here's the caveat to that.
We have to get Michael Parson's signe. Since we are
filling in on defense. Now that we got DeMarcus Lawns
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out in the locker room, we need Michael Parkson in
the locker room in training camp, not holding out to
try to get whatever guys he got on defense together
as one so they can try to play good defense.
When we give him thirty points. They just got to
hold people in the thirty in the offense. Give you
thirty and we could be right back in the thick
of it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
The Hall of Famer, the playmaker, Michael irban Itchel was
a pleasure to see him.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
My man. Always great to sit in this chair and
just kick it with you.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
My brother Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Turn on the news. This is the headline.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
NW brought you a site that Michael Irvin fired up.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Like Tyler Brooker.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
That's right, I'm ready to.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Let's get started with the top of the second round,
which kicks off tonight. Shadoor Sanders available, Will Johnson available,
Shalen Milroe still out there.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
We have a list of other notables on the market.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
You want to take a look, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
You know there's a couple quarterbacks here.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Tyler Shook.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
I'm not as big of a believer in anything.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
I'm a big believer in Will Johnson. Okay, So if
you're asking me to rate these guys in order, you didn't,
I would say I high like highlight Will Johnson to
light a lot. I like Will Joe. I like Trevon
Henderson a lot. The kid the Minnesota offensive tackle ursery
(15:24):
probably gonna go somebody. Somebody's gonna get a starting left
tackle in the second round. He's a He's a very
highly thought of player.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Luther Burden was awesome two years ago. A little less awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Slot guy, explosive guy.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
I'm green.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
The kid out of Marshall is immensely talented, but he's
got a bit of a background history too.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Big time people love Trey Harris from all miss Yep yep.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
So there's a lot of good players out there. Top
of the second is always interesting.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
If you're Cleveland and you get a call, you have
the first pick and you want you like Shador, but
you have quarterbacks, Well.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Who's calling It depends who's call they have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Well, no, I think here's what Cleveland's doing. What if
Cleveland like Shadur and Tyler Shuck and then nobody likes Tylers. Well,
I'm just saying a lot. So let's say they do.
If I'm Cleveland, I don't think it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
I mean, they are not taking a quarterback. Titans are not.
It's Patriots are not. It's going to be one of
those first five or Sedur goes to the third.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
If I'm Cleveland, they've already got two first next year,
how about two seconds. If I'm Cleveland, I've got the
thirty six pick. I don't think it's the craziest thing,
because you, again, you want the roster. So when the
quarterback arrives, if you don't have you need a quarterback,
but Chedeuring shuck, you don't. Your scouting department is, and
(16:48):
they've drafted pretty well, Andrew Berry's drafted. Well, my take is,
I think I'd move that first pick. I keep the
second one. Four picks later. I think I'd move that
first pick and get another. I'd load up on next
years draft. And if you end up winning six games
and you have the seventh pick and you want to
get to number two, you're gonna need ones and twos.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
You know, I know, we love to say this next
year's quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We do this all the time. Are we certain Arch
Manning is going.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
To be that guy? Well, we certain there are a
handful of quarterbacks. So a year out there's always surprises.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Don't want to go this time.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Carson Beck number he was the hot name right right, Iceman,
number one pick, all that up.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
There's always surprises. But the people I trust say it
is a better quarterback draft next year. Also, every year
a free agent quarterback lands. Now Cleveland's not gonna do
that because of the Shawn Watson contract, But there are
teams out there. There will be at least two quarterbacks
in the league that are capable that'll be on the market,
and I will say there'll be at least three draftable
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first round.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
If Kyler Murray and the Cardinals goes win six games,
would you because he becomes that.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
That is a great point. So Kai's a great one.
If Kyler again, you look him at the division, he
finishes fourth is Kyler?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I just don't see him in Cleveland as an outdoor guy.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They're not gonna pay for a quarterback. They have to
go find a bon Nix. See, you can't pay two quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Even Pittsburgh. I don't know that he fits in Pittsburgh.
Cold weather outdoor games, Kyler Murray, no shot, He's gotta
be Doe warm Weather. Anyways, let's go to the second story.
Jimmy Butler. The injury that he suffered in Game two.
He's currently being listed as doubtful Colin. They're calling it
a deep glute muscle contusion, which is a fancy way
(18:35):
of saying he's got a butt bruise. As a series
tied at one, game three, we know is hugely pivotal.
If Butler doesn't play, I think I'm gonna be on
the Rockets.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Not for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
I took him in I think I took the Rockets
in seven, six or seven. So I mean this is
I didn't predict this, but it really helps when the
NBA is letting players play. Depth helps, and Houston is
so deep athletically, they just have extra bodies and that
(19:08):
allows you to play hyper physical and get into more
foul trouble.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Well, I think the big story to watch here, speaking
of depth, is what's up with Jonathan Kamenka Steve Courr
essentially benched him in one.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
He's in the doghouse.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
But if Butler doesn't play, Kamenka's gonna have like thirty
minutes because he played a lot in Game two.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I think he was like four to twelve. But they
don't love him, but they need him.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Oh, they need him, especially against the length of the rocket. Yeah,
I mean kaminga is I mean not even the dogs extension.
Elis Tim Kawakami. I think reported. I think he reported that.
It's I'll just say this, It's been discussed in the
Bay Area that it's over you when you get d
N Peeves coaches decision and you're an athletic long and
(19:52):
you have length the team needs.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
It's oh, who they're playing Quinton Post. I didn't know
who that guy was. Another looks all white guys Netherlands.
I think he went to Boston Curry.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You gotta follow Netherlands YouTube high school in college videos.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
But I say this about Kamenca because there's a guy
who was Remember they drafted James Wiseman and Kumena and
they were like, we're gonna do the two timelines camp. Listen,
Bob Myers get to pass for this because he's out
of there now.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He whisped on both go timeout. The Wiseman Draft was
an awful draft. It was, but nobody else the only
Ann Edwards I think was the only good player in
that mellow ball went gonna take Lamelow with Steph Curry, I.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Would have been Montellis all over again.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, I mean it's it's that was a I give
him a pack. There have been two drafts in my
life that was one otherwards the Victor Oladipo Draft. Like
there are just drafts. There's just no play.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
NFL draft where Zach Wilson went second that the drafts
out with a bad pick. Every every quarterback there was
has been awful, including Trevor Lawrence. Final story, Colin My
Lakers against the Timberwolves tonight. It's gonna get lost in
the Game three coverage. But this is an interesting story.
So we talked yesterday.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
About how Luca might be Lebron's best teammate of all time. Yeah, well,
Dwayne Wade heard.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
This and he doesn't like what he's seeing from the
Lakers so far. Listen to this closely about Dwayne Wade.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
This is all I want to see.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
I want to see him be the too bad at
because on the planet, oh dowgether. I don't want to
see nobody be badder than you, as simple as that.
You're watching that game and I'm watching Anthony Erras beat
a bad beat a.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Bab the court.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I don't like that. And it ain't just about points.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
It's just sometimes it's about the way you walk, it's
about the way you talk, it's about the way you
get about you falls sometimes I need to see it.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
Okay, So this is a larger discussion on the basketball culture.
Dwayne Wade wants Lebron and Luca to talk trash and
be bad mfs on the court, pointing and flex it.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And I'm like, Dwayne, what, really, that's what you want?
These guys missed me with the culture. Sometimes I don't
get that that mindset. I want Luca distributing.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I don't want him like you know, like you know
who doesn't do that, the Celtics Seth Curry. I just
I don't know, Just go out and play, be a
great teammate, bust your butt. I don't mind a little attitude.
I like a little swag.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
But you know who was flexing last night The Detroit
Pistons all night. They lost at home.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Like Anthony Edwards could talk all he wants and point
the Spider Man stuff that, Luca, that's great, give me
the wins. I love wait too, Man Wade, those one
of my favorite players.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Oh oh, when you got draft stuff? Look at it?
Colin looking at his phone as I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Things percolating. All right, Diana Russini, what do we got it?
We have to have the same source. The Steelers have
been receiving calls on George Pickens. Pittsburgh is open to
conversations as it navigates Friday night without a second round.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Pick, So they want to go?
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I thought that would get you a third.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
Are they trying to get into the second to get
Shador and part with Pickens?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's it's worth its sense.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
Nobody's given up a two for Pickens. Just scrunch old receiver?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Who gone?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And he's try at three? If he wasn't disgruntled, he's
a two. That attitude crap, that makes him a three talent.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
He's a first round.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Oh he's a huge talent, really good, huge. But again,
sorry cameras, you know.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
How long do you think he would last? In my
spot on the show.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
He'd want the ball and I wouldn't pass.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
J Meck with a new Well, that's the news and
thanks for stopping by The Herd Line News all right.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
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Speaker 2 (23:34):
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Speaker 6 (24:04):
Tonight we're under the lights in prime time as the
Memphis Showboats take on the Birmingham Stallions.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Fox UFL Friday kicks off at eight pm Easter.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
All Right. NFL Draft Underway Round two begins later tonight.
A lot of good players those first twelve to fifteen picks, Jaymack,
are you ready to go bored?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Ready?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Baby? All right, Tomorrows headlines today is what we call it.
What will the headline be for the Tennessee Titans next season?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
We love the cam Ward pick. I think you and
I both the division's winnable. They can do some damage.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
The headline for the Tennessee Titans will be Wam.
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Bam, thank you caam. Titans found in playoff position. I
don't see why they can't triple their win total to
nine wins. Same, it's not out of the realm.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Houston.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
They took a step back, okay, when the offensive line
is shoo losing digs.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
I don't know that they're going to be as great
as they were last year.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
Still don't know about the Colts in their quarterback situation
and Jacksonville new coach, new GM.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
What do we expect?
Speaker 6 (25:09):
So I like Callahan and cam Ward I think would
be in a lot of three wide sets. I like
the running back combos, Spears and Pollard. I mean, I
think three wins to nine is reasonable. But then again,
I didn't see bo Nicks coming. I didn't see Jayden
Daniels coming.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
You saw them.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
So I'm getting on board with cam warden an effort
to make that right.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Tomorrow's headlines today the che going up to get Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Didn't love the deal. I think they gave up a
little too much.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
However, the headline will be holy Crapsonville Jags go from
hunted to hunter. I think the big takeaway here is
they've got instantly a top ten pairing of wide receivers
in the league. Brian Thomas, the rookie latcher, was phenomenal.
Eighty seven catches, twelve hundred yards, ten touchdowns. He won
me a fantasy league. He was everywhere and by the way,
(25:59):
he didn't only have Lawrence, he had to catch passes
from Mac Jones, your boy McEnroe Jones. So I think
with that wide receiver pairing a new head coach, if
Trevor Lawrence is healthy, that's the big question. Last two years,
he's been hurt. Two years ago he played through the
injuries and it didn't go well. I think they can
have a good season, but I'm I don't love this
trade for Jacksonville the way that some of the Jags
(26:20):
fans are geeked.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Giants give up a lot to throw
at dart later in the first round Jackson Dart.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
As a Jets fan, I think they will appreciate this headline.
The headline for the Giants well by dart Board early
pick ends up being pointless. I'm on record that Daboll
and Shane do not survive this. I think they are
gutted after this year. First of all, Daboll came out
said Russell Wilson's our starter last night.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Really, so, what are you training.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Jameis Winston because Pittsburgh could use a quarterback? What do
you do with James Is Jackson? Dark gonna be inactive
for the first half.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Of the season.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Like, I just don't under stand this at all. There
were two other offensive linemen drafted after this. The Texans
could have just stayed put. I don't understand the Jackson
Dart love Colin. Maybe I'm missing something. Do you are
you on board with this?
Speaker 5 (27:10):
Does this do anything for the drives are still last?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean Jackson Dart would have been available with the
second pick they would have today had they not traded
it away.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
Yeah, didn't love it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Well, look at the headline for the
winner of the first round.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Okay, we're on opposite sides here, You're vehemently on opposite sides.
The headline, well, b splat Atlanta Falcons land a haymaker
at end of round one.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I'm in a minority here.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
I love going after two sec ed rushers who are
absolute beasts. Walker and Pierce are going to be a
problem in Atlanta.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Do you know in the last five years, no Falcons
player has more than seven sacks?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I know they can't get to the quarterback. That's why
they went and got Matt Judah last.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So they've got Pennix and b Jean Robinson, Drake London.
I like that nucleus. Kyle Pitts is kind of on
the outside looking in, but I love of these two
heag rushers. Jesse Bates on the back end, aj Terrell
a good corner. Give me the give me the Falcons
to win this division next year over the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's a take. Finally, tomorrows headlines to that. What's going
to be the headline for Chedeure Sanders in the draft.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
I'd say we save the best for last.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But the headline for Sedor will be what happens in
the third round stays in the third round. I think
the Vegas Raiders are like, hey, we can't take him
too early.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
We just got g Wow. I think they take him
in the third round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Tink he nobody picks him in the second.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Well, it's no, It's not like thirty two teams are
clamoring for him the second round. No, it's like three
or four, and I just think there's more higher value players,
like by the way, I know he loves the Raiders.
He's he's been putting them on his Instagram legendary. I
just I can't see anybody taking a flyer in the second.
I'm not willing to bet any significant money, but I
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don't think the Browns do it. And then the Steelers
do they get in the second to go after them.
This is a precipitous fall for Shador standers. I feel
a little bad for him. We had a good talk.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
With some of the guys on staff.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
You don't have to feel bad for Shadur, but watching
him go through that colin.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Oh, it's a painful, dude, that is brutal.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's brutal.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean I just two weeks ago he was like, Oh,
where's he going in the top five?
Speaker 5 (29:18):
And it's like top ten.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I will say this, the college football world sent a
message to that Tennessee quarterback, Oh, lower the temperature. Do
you love football or what football provides? I didn't love
I didn't love Chadure in the room. Legendary and the
New York Giant cleats. It's not the end of the world.
(29:43):
But guys, just fault on the side of humility before
you're drafted.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Now he can use this as fuel as he's that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Yeah, and again, it's not the end of the world.
Just you I tell my kids, you know all, you
don't have to love every time you go to an interview.
Just fault on the side of being on time and
being humble.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And listen.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Tom Brady remembers every quarterback picked ahead of him USUS fuel.
Michael Jordan made up these fake scenarios to get him
angry and fired up, like you can do.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Reno dropped, Aaron Rodgers dropped.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
It's not in those classes.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
A lot of these quarterbacks that they're not a lot
of guys that went number one and end up being
great at quarterback. It's a I mean, Mahomes went tenth,
Josh Allen didn't go one, Lamar went late first. There's
nothing wrong would drop. I mean if he ended up
going late second, and you know, you know, a really
quality team says, you know what, We're not gonna play him.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Let's roll over to mczay McVeigh says, hey, you know what,
Matt Stafford's old.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
Should we take a flyer on shit?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I just but it's it's you know.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Hey, Let's remember Lamar Jackson was asleep in the green
room at the end of the first round. There are
images all over the inn of him and his mom
and loaded their heads on the table downcast.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
He's now got two eavps. It's not over.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You make your money in the second contract in the
NFL anyway, the first one. You're not getting rich. You're
gonna make it in a second if you're gonna make
it at all, So why not go to a better
organization a little later? See them Monday. It's the third
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