January 14, 2025 • 34 mins
Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to provide insight on Deion Sanders leaving Colorado to coach the Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker
Michael Erbin, the very well connected Michael Irvins, is joining us.
So we've got things to talk about. Last night as
we're getting ready for the game, Jerry makes sure Dion
and the Cowboys makes the wire, makes the news. So
let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Deon Sanders.
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He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he
loves Colorado, the Cowboy hatt. He feels the part you
told me a month and a half ago he would
listen listen to Jerry Jones. Yes, is he now listening
more to Jerry Jones?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, you guys now know that he has.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He and Jerry has had conversations which I am so
happy now to put that out and the ether and
you guys finding that out. Yes, they are having conversations.
When I talked to Dion last night and this morning,
when I was talking to him, he was real real,
telling me real carefully. Now listen, it's all we can
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talk about. It's all we can talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Is that. Yeah, It's all I just say is that
they are talking. I love when he tells me things
like that. Really be careful because that things. That means
things are moving in a.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Way that we can't just openly talk like we used
to openly talk.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I can't get out here run my mouth like I
need to. I want to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So I don't want to mess anything up, so I
make sure I leave it right there. He said, that's
all we can talk about right now, that they are
they have had conversations, and that is manna from heaven.
When he tells me that, now, manna from heaven.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He had said a couple of years ago, when asked
about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time
paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I
care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut him
on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well
that hasn't changed.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
No, no, but but What you do know, though, is
we talk about and we talk about Dion's great ways
with young men. These are young men in the NFL.
You know, we're in college. We consider the big kids,
but these are still young men going through a lot
of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this
is where Dion separates from all of the exes that
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OWDs coaches because he is a true mentor.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's a true mentor.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's coaching, and the other coaches are coaching and they're
forced the mentor.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They're forced the mentor.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So when we talk about coaching, his job is to
bring the best out of the player. These guys are
making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the
best out of Travis Hunter. And Travis Hunter had all
kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about
those those things. He thought about bringing the best up
out of him. He didn't take all the nil money.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He followed Dion.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
When Dion went Jackson and he went to and then
he went to Colorado and now he's living his best life.
That's what Dion would do for all the NFL players
to let's help you get to your best life. And
it's not just about making money. It's about making the
right decisions. It's about taking care of your family. It's
about you and everything that you're doing. That's what he's
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great at and that'll bring the best football.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Out of you.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Deon's had a remarkable American life, from from the fastest
college player to a best cornerback of all time, to
broadcaster a lot of spirituality in there, then to coaching small,
bigger coaching if he could end up Dallas Cowboys, it
really is an amazing American life.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Now, I will say, Colin, you say all of that, Colin,
but it's an amazing life. But it has been met
with great wins against him in w I N d Wind.
I mean, you know, people, it's not okay, he's a
hell of an athlete. But everywhere this man goes, now,
everywhere this man goes. When he went to Jockson, it
won't work out there. Oh no, he turned that around.
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Then went to Colorado. Oh boy, you'll see when you
get the big time football it's different. Oh but he
turned that around. And here we come again with the
same doubt with dem Well what could he do in Dallas?
I sell people everywhere this man has set his foot
in the sand. He's leaves of footprint of greatness. So
Dallas needs to get on board with that, and I
hope they do. I gotta I can't say much about that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
By the way, you have a relationship you and Aikman
have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a
lot of people. And can I ask Jerry who now
does acting? He's pretty good on Landman, Yes, he's pretty
good showman. Do you has Jerry called you recently just
to chat about this?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I talked with Jerry when we were we had to
fight and we're somewhere else, so yeah, I was at
his house. We had an event in his place, so yeah,
we talked in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, okay, all right, I look, let's talk about the
future of Dallas.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Back up, let's back up too, like Troy and I
heard de Troy comments, and you know, I love Troy.
I love Troy to death. And it's to life a
better say the life CAUs Deanna called.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Me on that is it? Is it a coveted job?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I don't know if it is Philadelphia's roster. Jayden Daniels
ninety million cap space. I don't know if it's a
coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado State.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
We got to stop. We got to stop.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Prove it to me easily, easily. How many how many
coaches out here coaching? Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
What a couple?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Hundred thousand co co coaching all the way college, high school,
A hundred thowns coaches.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Oh no, no, no, fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Max, No head coaches. I'm talking everyone everything. Okay, even
fifty thousand. They're only thirty two jobs in the National
Football to each one of those jobs going to pay you,
Bob nor to somewhere six seven million dollars a year.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
How how do I fix this radio on my face
to say something like what I say?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It like what he said. I love them, But how.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Do you fix the radio on your face? The singer
song like, it's not a covety job. It's the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
There are only thirty two of them in this whole
wide world. And you're talking about a fifty thousand, max.
We're talking about nine United States. That coach is all
over the world that probably wants to come and coach
if they knew how to coach. Nation the Football League
Let's stop saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying this
is what you call it, purplely, it's the perfluous words
that you're just throwing out here. Sound like something, but
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it's not true. It has no truth to it. This
is a coveny job. All thirty two of them are
coveted jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So that right there is not right to even say that.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Now, the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team
in the National Football.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend.
So what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right here, de Troy is my friend too, a lot
of friends. But I can't lie. I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I would say this Jerry is That's why he's so
good on land Man. He's a performer. He loves the media.
There are those in the NFL that say, well, you
had Jimmy and Parcels and basically you ran them off.
I think what Troy was saying is no, it's a job.
But it does sort of feel like you got to
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answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report.
Doesn't that get in the way a little?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No? No, not if you're doing your job. I don't
care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing
my job. You could do what he say whatever you want.
Who cares. I'm doing my job and this is what
I'm saying, Guys, the owner talks. My issue is is
that is that why we so hard on Jerry because
he talks and does radio interviews. What's the separation between
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Jerry and the Rooney's. What's the separation. I keep bringing
this up and nobody tells me anything. I'm almost getting
afraid to bring it up now because the Rooneys must
have something on everybody. I don't know what's going on,
but the Rooney's run all of the organization in Pittsburgh,
and and they haven't given Mike Tumblin what he wants.
But we want to run Mike Tumblin out. But when
it comes to the Cowboys, it's it's it's all Jerry's fault.
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Any failure or any not seed succeeding, it is all
Jerry's fault.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Everywhere else, it's just a coach. It's in Pittsburgh, it's
just a coach.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Ry.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Nobody's put anything on the Ruoneys in Pittsburgh, and they
haven't found a quarterback in one hundred years hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does
radio hits, he talks after the game's right, He's a
how many owners would go on land Man and look
like an actor.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But does that mean because Jerry's doing an interview that
is not a covenant job?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Can we take it that far? Can we say that?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Does that mean because Jerry's doing interview that he hasn't
done a good job when he gave you twelve and
five talent every year over the last three years. So
come on, I don't mind you're not liking him. I
don't mind.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I don't want it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I understand all that a lot of people don't know him,
but a lot of people don't like him, and that's
why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man,
let's look at the reality and measure the reality and
stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a
coveted job.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm gonna throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this.
So years ago I went to a therapist. I don't
do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.
The best thing will and so my wife and I
were arguing about something and the therapist said to me,
he goes, you have a different brain than your wife.
She's an artist. You're more accountant. And we don't argue
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with this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He said. She sees colors, you see shapes. So when
you criticize her for this, she sees the world differently
than you. And then uh, And so I shared this
with my wife and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you.
Get over it, The point being it didn't change the
way I view. I'm always thinking I see the world
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in squares and circles, shel seeds and shades of lavender.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So AJ, you got to come to her and said, okay,
when you say something, say okay, how did you reach
How did you receive that?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right you got.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
How did you receive.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Is reading a book on the sidelines that made you happy?
Oh yeah, okay, see my brain works differently, Well, how
what did you see?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Because AJ is me?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Me and AJ we are like I had to learn
when I left football. Of course I had some mistakes
and the steps in football. So I said to myself,
you're not catching any more touchdowns. Let's figure out why
we have some of the situations we have.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You know, I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And I was reading and trying to study and learn
more about me rand upon this book. It's a great
book called Edison Jean The Gift of the Adhd Child.
And in this book they're talking about what AJ Brown.
What AJ Brown is doing here. What he's doing is
trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime
anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if
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she's stressed in any way, Curtisol's released to the brain
of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a
flight of fight environment because that's what before. Yes, Mom's
so so his reptilian brain kind of get a little stuck.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He's more after fight than reason.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Like me, I'm more after fight you will confront me
than reason with you. And it serves me great on
the football field. But when I'm driving down the street
and somebody says I have to figure out, I had
to say, you know, the book could tell you. The
book could tell you knowing that you're like this. It's
seventy five percent of just it's how winny.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You see yourself and A. J.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Brown oh absolutely, Oh absolutely. That's why when everybody said
what are you doing here for? I said, man, it's
totally focused. This is totally focused.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'm focused on my energy being good energy for the team,
and I'm going to focus on me, and I know
I can't let this situation take over me. I understand
it because he and I are the same dude. I
understand what he was doing right there, and I think
all of us, a lot of receivers need to learn
it and even do this right here what he's doing,
because it really is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They got through the game and he was.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Out there joking when Saquon didn't go all the way
and run, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So he put him back in the right frame of mind.
Even though we only got one pass. I don't know
if the book could have helped me with one pass
in a playoff game, but it helped.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Him, and that's good. That's good. I don't know I
would have been saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience.
I had lunch with rich Eisen a couple months ago
and we were talking, that's my man too, yeah, and
I said we had great affection for you, and we said,
you know, and you've had some missteps in life, haven't we.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All yours even more public?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And uh and and our take was you're a curious person,
You're great, you have great empathy. Uh and and we
both shared kind of the same stories that we had
such great feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you
admit stuff. You're imperfect, but you're You're you, You always
you always come back to Michael at your heart. And
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I think what you're saying now, you're addressing this with
a J Brown. I love that you're saying, guys, this
is me and everybody learns differently, everything lands differently.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That's the there I'm not. I don't want to board
the audience.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But now I can't take you can't take that side
of me without realizing this is this side of me,
and I'm working on this side of me.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let me get this book out and worked through me.
You see what I mean. And that's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are
times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players
get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson.
And I'm watching McVeigh last night. He's got Shanahan's brain,
he's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel, he's got Andy
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Reid's play design, he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give
you big alpha energy.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I didn't see a game. I saw a.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Little bit of a coaching mismatch last night. How is
McVeigh viewed around the league?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And I'm with you on this.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think McVey is an incredible coach, an incredible coach.
Even the year they won that Super Bowl. To have
that kind of talent on that team and not have
any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That
means he managed all of those personalities. There's a lot
of personality.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in southern California
around this facility.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And he puts it right in and used it. He
uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says
to you, guys, hey, let's give our people back home
something to get away from the mess they're dealing with.
Let's make some great rates out of that great mess
you know, and get Let's get that. Let's try to
ride this. Every team this time of the year tries
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to find that hook. Yes, that hooks them in like that.
That's why we always call it what man also.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Gets the world.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Ain't nobody saying nothing to what you mean? They just
start saying that you guys are undefeated right now, who's
against you? But we always come up with these montres.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
You're looking for a hook.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You're looking for the hook.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And this disaster has given the Rams when and they
played like it was a hook, like we're going to
give these people some relief from what the what they've
been dealing with. And they boy, they they laid it
out on the Vikings last night with them nine sacks.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean, they played well.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the
quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you
and Emmett were viewed as the weaponry. But it was
a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting.
I don't trust the coach. I think the center of
the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of
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the team is the old line. And I don't know
if you can win a super Bowl in twenty twenty five.
And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him,
but he's not Lamar Mahomes. Statistically, he's not golf, he's
not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket.
What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the
coach is yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind
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of inconsistent? Can you win a super Bowl with that?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I love that analogy that you just laid out and
how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about
the solidness of this team. I think Jalen Hurts is
a great leader, a great leader. But Saquon has brung
something different.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
It's totally different.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And let me tell you and us just talking about Jalen,
I mean a j Brown on the sideline reading a book,
and then him and DeVante smill Man, why did you
keep running with go go go with the ball? I
would have said, keep running, go down on the one
yard line of you're going to.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Go play right? Why you love you know why you
love it? Let me tell you why you love it.
Let me tell you why I think you love it.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, Hey, I'm
totally not selfish. Any other running back would have gone
and got rist of those yaws before he sat down,
because that's part of the great season you've had. You
had a two thousand yard Russian season. You're gonna have
one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be
as a running back the last guy in football you
can hit from any angle. That Saquon Barkley, who didn't
play the last week and could have set the record,
So you could have that animosity you break free to
seal it. And he is so in the moment that
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he said, no, it's about us, not me.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I got to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Get into there, the ability in the moment to go
I'm gonna sit down right here. I was just like, oh,
that dude's that dude's go two thousand miles an hour
right now.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Let me tell you how I saw it.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I said, while two things of that boy, that's great
because I saw DeVante and and and aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
What do you keep going? Keep going? Keep going?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
So he's showing them something here, showing them Hey, man,
it ain't even about them numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's about us getting the championship. And I love that
part of it.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well,
you know, there are things that could have happened. I
could have pulled the hamstrings up. I said, oh god,
it over here because I want That's why I wanted
him to get the record last week or the end
of the week end of the season, because I wanted
him to exercise that demon in his career. What's been
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the demon in his career? It's been injuries and if
you go past it, said woman, to get this record.
I'm not going to let that demon make me afraid
to go and get the record. I believe that demon
also made him afraid to continue running.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's why he fell down.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Now he was going to fall down on the one,
but let's go get those other sixty yards. He has
to deal with that. But the lesson he gave A J. Brown,
a Devontae Smith, that was a great lesson. But he
has to deal with that in his own mind. I'm
so good at this people, That's what I do because
it's real these guys. I've dealt with it, and I
had to study it because I had to calm my
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black butt down. I was crazy. She just gotta study
these things. Don't just study what you do, go learn
why you did it. Don't just hear what people say,
understand how they think.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's how you win in life.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Okay, when's the last time Dione and you text each other?
Could you give us the time on that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
This morning, this morning, this morning? Yeah, of course, as.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Much for the audience that just tuned in. He said
to you, what, well, I can.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Only tell you so much and you can't be telling
the world everything is what he said to me.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And that's why I'm trying to find this line right here.
But they are, but they are talking, and to me,
that's heaven. I'm in.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I'm enjoyed because I talked about this yesterday with with
Keishawn and Joy and of course Paul on Speak and they
were talking about, well, what's the plan with Jerry. Jerry
was going in trying to make it work with Mike McCarthy,
but they couldn't agree on the years.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I said, oh, that's.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Great, and so now before Jerry let you guys win
and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll go out.
This'll make him go go and do something differently and
more drastic because he I've heard him say many times,
I've always come out on top when forced to do
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something or make a hard decision. It always worked out,
and this time will be the same thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy
fall out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And Jerry wanted them and didn't get him a push,
this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't
have normally done, like a hire of Don Sanders or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So I'm excited to see what plays out.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I'm gonna try to keep these these big old' lips
I got closed like. But it's a hard task. He
understood it. He understood. He knows it's hard because I'm
excited too, so I gotta control myself.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Michael Irvan, the playmaker is always my friend.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And I love you too, buddy. You're my man, great senior.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm so happy right now, y'all because we're gonna have
a good offseason.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It gives us hope again, hope.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any
man getting fired, but just happy about new.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Direction and what's happening and what's going to happen. Yeah,
all right, we're.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
About to be in prime time I mean football games.
I don't know what I mean. Let me leave that alone.
I get any trouble.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
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Speaker 1 (21:46):
All Right, Michael Irvan entertaining as he leaves the building
to the very last step in the building. He's entertaining
Nick Wright and Michael Irvan. Zach Ertz is around the corner.
J Mack, we're gonna heard line news. We'll just move on.
We'll just talk a little bit about But I think
Michael touched ons. I think Deon Sanders is better than
a fifty percent chance to get the job. That is
my I think Deon Sanders to me is the leader
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in the clubhouse. I think Jerry wants to be interesting.
I think Dion is interesting. He has back to back
college jobs where he is at to some level flourished.
I think he connects with players. I think the NFL
is getting younger, locker rooms are getting younger, so I
think his wisdom and he can impart sort of leadership
and culture. And I do think the Cowboys, don't You
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don't think of them as a broken franchise, but maybe
not Pittsburgh offensively, but they feel like the trains off
the tracks, and they got to get it back on
the tracks. The Jets feel broken, the Steelers offense feels broken,
the Bears feel broken, the Titans for years did or Carolina.
I don't think the Cowboys are broken. I think the
train's got to get back on the track. They got
to get the ball back on the fairway. And you know, Dion,
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remember among players, he's a legend. Among players, he is worshiped,
and I think and even the young kids who didn't
see him play. So the NFL locker room's older, they
have a greater understanding of who he is.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I think I think it's a sixty forty seventy thirty.
Dion's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Let me ask you, said you you want to be interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
He'll make him interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Don't you want to win football games? Get back to
a super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
But Dion doing that? We're not sure he can't do that.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
He has he proven it at the college level.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, Colorado was not a very good job. It was
a terrible job.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Terrible program. He did amazing things. I got that. But
this idea that he's gonna take a job.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
His son's going to be elsewhere in the league, and like,
I don't you're over fifty percent chance on Dion.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I think I may be low. I think it's closer
to I think it's closer to sixty.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Don't go closer to five to ten percent. I no, shit,
I just don't see that.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
You've been saying all week, this is not a good job,
and now.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Deon ste well, no, no, I what I'm saying is,
I think Philadelphia's roster, Jayden Daniels, Dack's contract, Jerry's meddling.
I don't view it as a highly he coveted job.
But then when I look at the jobs that are
available this year, there was one I liked.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
There's about one job a year.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I look at Chargers last year, Patriots this year, I'm like, oh,
that's a good job. I'm telling you, New England got
a great draft pick and they don't need a quarterback.
Rabel's literally gonna trade down. They're gonna get thirteen draft picks.
They're gonna be a playoff team next year.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
So did the Patriots go for interesting or did they
go for the best coach on the market. Jerry screwed
this up once again. I don't again he could have
easily said, oh, McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We like it, we want Vrabel, we want to go
for the best.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
But he wants interesting now, like name in the Name
and the lights. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd be so irate
right now. You can't get Ben Johnson right because they
screwed up and they missed the window because they were
messing around with McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And now it's like a Hail Mary for Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, if Deon's the coach, he'll have to beat Washington.
Zach Ertz, the Commanders, is joining us next.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
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Speaker 1 (26:01):
One hundred and sixteen catches most ever for a tight end.
Zach Ertz is just a great guy to have in
the room. Tight End for the Commanders, A three time
pro bowler. Boy, this has been a magical season. I
don't remember a team winning more games on Hail Mary's
and doinks and less second games. It kind of feels magical.
(26:25):
Have you ever been part of a team with this
kind of late game success?
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Probably not this frequent to have this many close games
and you went on the very last play. You know,
we had the double dink in a playoff in a
playoff game a few years back in Philly, and then
we had another doink in this one for me.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
So I'm kind of used to that last second field goal.
Speaker 11 (26:49):
Obviously, you wish they didn't come down to that, but
it always feels good to win, and all that matters
this time of year is finding a way to win.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Obviously, they brought you in for your leadership, yours and
your productivity. How long did it take you, Zach, Maybe
a practice maybe whatever it was that you kind of
watched Jayden Daniels and went, this doesn't really feel like
a rookie quarterback necessarily.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
I know people were excited for him the moment he
got here. They have the Rookie Minicamp to bring the
rookies and it's just rookies. And I get a text
Saturday night from Cliff and like, hey, you need to
go watch the Rookie Mini Caamp film. I'm like, Cliff,
I'm in my twelve year do I really need to
go watch rookie Mini Caamp film? And he goes, you
need to check it out, and they and I watched
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Jaden complete every pass over a two day period for
rookie minicamp, and I think from then you knew the
physical talent was there, but it also spoke to just
his preparedness for that.
Speaker 12 (27:52):
So he approached it like he was going into a game.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
The way he was on time with everything and just
from the moment he got here, his maturity, his determination
to be great, and commitment to the process. Guys just
love playing for him and playing with him, and he's
so talented as well.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, you know what else I like about him, Zach.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I like.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
The podium and I get into this stuff the podium
on the sidelines. He doesn't sulk. There's a temperament. There's
a temperament thing. Dak had this. I remember when Dak
broke into the league, Andrew Luck had this, and I
talk about this stuff all the time and my fans
just give me nothing but crap for it. But I'm like,
it does matter for quarterbacks. His temperament is like mature,
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like right, it's different. So you see it too.
Speaker 12 (28:44):
It's it's it's he has the ultimate quiet confidence he is.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
He has such strong belief in himself, but it comes
off in a way that is so humble and guys
just I mean I have I compared him to Andrew
in the training camp. People called me crazy obviously playing
with Andrew in college, but just his poise, how how
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composed he is.
Speaker 12 (29:14):
You can't tell whether we're up twenty one points or
down twenty one point.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Yeah, watching him on the sideline, and I think it's
just it rubs off on the rest of us because
we know eventually, no matter what's going on, it will
click because we see their guy that's leading our offense
each and every week, just the same guy, and he
knows that eventually he's going to make a play, and
we know he's eventually going to make a play, and
we're going to take off from there. So it does
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rub off, and it doesn't mean a lot. And I've
played with guys that do not have that, and it's
a lot more fun to play with the guy that
is just composed and president in the moment every time.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I never doubt you. But you've had a hell of
a year.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're the second leading receiver, You've had seven touchdowns. Be honest,
did you think you'd be this productive?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
You know, that's a great question. It's a fair question.
As well.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
I felt like the production when I'm healthy is always there. Honestly,
if I'm being honest, I have a lot of belief
in myself in the past two years that I just
haven't been healthy. I had the knee injury years two
years ago, and I probably rushed back at the beginning
of last year, and then last.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Year it just wasn't the offense.
Speaker 11 (30:23):
Everything happened in Arizona after Cliff left was just it
wasn't a great situation. And so just for me, I
really wanted to be in a place where people believed
in me again, and I tell people all the time,
there's probably been two coaches in my career that believe
in me as much as Cliff and Frank Reich, and
those those two guys are special to me. And so
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just being able to be with Cliff, and I heard
amazing things about coach Quinn, but even those have been
far exceeded in my experience here and just my entire
experience on this team as far exceeded all my expectation.
And I really just loved love coming to work every
day and that's when I get that That's why I'm
meant my best one. I'm able to be around guys
that I love the process because that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
By the way, you're one of the smarter players in
the league and Jayden Daniels, as we talked about has
An Andrew luck Field. It's funny you said that because
two days ago I said, I feel like I'm watching
Andrew luck cognitively, maturity, toughness. When Jayden targets you this
year one hundred passer rating, five touchdowns, seventy percent completion rate.
Will he extend your career? Will you stay in the game? Honestly,
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I feel like you kind of found a guy that
you could grow with. I mean, you're gonna sit and
go home with Julie and say, I know we got
young boys, but I want to play a few more years.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 11 (31:41):
Well, I think just being here in general with coach
Quinn and Cliff.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Has made me feel rejuvenated.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
The way they've take taken care of me this year
with practicing and training camp and just making sure I'm
at my best when the game comes, I feel, and
then playing with Jaden, yes, I would love to play
with Jaden for a long time. I don't think I
don't think this is my last year. By any means,
I still feel like I have a lot of good
football in front of me. Obviously, there are things that
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are going to happen in terms of the business side,
whatever it may be, but I don't worry.
Speaker 12 (32:16):
About that stuff. Everyone knows how I feel about this
place and the people here.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
I wish I was twenty two and just starting my
career to be able to play a really long time
with this kid.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
But I've loved every minute of it being here.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
By the way, you had a couple of catches this weekend,
third and fourth down, both got first downs. I think
we said this before. There are guys I want in
a locker room in the NFL. They're just guys I want,
and you're one of those guys. Zach Ertz and Commanders
tight end. Great seeing you love having you on your
story is amazing.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I grew up.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm old enough to remember George Allen. They had a
different name they I can literally recite the entire roster
in seventy two, three, four five when they were getting
the Super Bowls to Joe Gibbs teams. So it's a
really great fan base. I am glad they're back, and
thank you for stopping by our show as oh as Zach,
I appreciate.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
It all right, Colin, take care, thanks for having just.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A great guy, zach Ertz. And again this is a
glue guy in a locker room. And he made two
catches this weekend once again, third down, fourth that when
you get a rookie quarterback. Bill Parcells was so good
at this. Parcels always knew this. There are guys when
he went to Miami and he was the GM and
he started rebuilding the room. There are guys in a room.
They're great weightlift guys, they're great film room guys. They're
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really smart guys. They're not selfish guys. They'll help young
guys like zach Ertz Jad and Daniels go. Look at
his numbers when he's targeting him. He completed seventy percent
of his throws. And it's by the way, Brady, when
he went to Tampa, get me Gronk. Gronk's like, I'm retired,
I'm good. I'm on the beach. Say no, no, no, I
need Gronk. I need a toughness, I need his mindset.
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You know, there's this The whole Jad and Daniels story
is I'm glad he mentioned Andrew Locke, Like That's why
I feel like I'm watching like this doesn't make sense.
How is Jaden Daniels this smart, this prepared, this accurate,
this poise his fourth quarter in overtime passer rating, It's like,
I think it's almost best in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Makes no sense? All right, Nick? Right, Michael Irvin, zach Ertz.
How lucky are we? As Jim Harbow would say, nobody's.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Got it better than us. Jay Mckett's to night off.
I still I still may just do some mock draft
prep tonight.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Fox just hit me and said, hey, your Fox. Your
mock drafted monster numbers last month. Can you do another
this week? Do you want to collaborate on one?
Speaker 5 (34:33):
No, you work, throw your own boat.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
And with that, one of our favorite guests, the playmaker
Michael Erbin, the very well connected Michael Irvins, is joining us.
So we've got things to talk about. Last night as
we're getting ready for the game, Jerry makes sure Dion
and the Cowboys makes the wire, makes the news. So
let's talk about that. You have a relationship with Deon Sanders.
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He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he
loves Colorado, the Cowboy hatt. He feels the part you
told me a month and a half ago he would
listen listen to Jerry Jones. Yes, is he now listening
more to Jerry Jones?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Well, you guys now know that he has.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
He and Jerry has had conversations which I am so
happy now to put that out and the ether and
you guys finding that out. Yes, they are having conversations.
When I talked to Dion last night and this morning,
when I was talking to him, he was real real,
telling me real carefully. Now listen, it's all we can
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talk about. It's all we can talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Is that. Yeah, It's all I just say is that
they are talking. I love when he tells me things
like that. Really be careful because that things. That means
things are moving in a.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Way that we can't just openly talk like we used
to openly talk.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I can't get out here run my mouth like I
need to. I want to, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
So I don't want to mess anything up, so I
make sure I leave it right there. He said, that's
all we can talk about right now, that they are
they have had conversations, and that is manna from heaven.
When he tells me that, now, manna from heaven.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
He had said a couple of years ago, when asked
about the NFL, he said, I'd have a hard time
paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I
care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut him
on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well
that hasn't changed.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
No, no, but but What you do know, though, is
we talk about and we talk about Dion's great ways
with young men. These are young men in the NFL.
You know, we're in college. We consider the big kids,
but these are still young men going through a lot
of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this
is where Dion separates from all of the exes that
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OWDs coaches because he is a true mentor.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
He's a true mentor.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's coaching, and the other coaches are coaching and they're
forced the mentor.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They're forced the mentor.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So when we talk about coaching, his job is to
bring the best out of the player. These guys are
making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the
best out of Travis Hunter. And Travis Hunter had all
kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about
those those things. He thought about bringing the best up
out of him. He didn't take all the nil money.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
He followed Dion.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
When Dion went Jackson and he went to and then
he went to Colorado and now he's living his best life.
That's what Dion would do for all the NFL players
to let's help you get to your best life. And
it's not just about making money. It's about making the
right decisions. It's about taking care of your family. It's
about you and everything that you're doing. That's what he's
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great at and that'll bring the best football.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Out of you.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Deon's had a remarkable American life, from from the fastest
college player to a best cornerback of all time, to
broadcaster a lot of spirituality in there, then to coaching small,
bigger coaching if he could end up Dallas Cowboys, it
really is an amazing American life.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Now, I will say, Colin, you say all of that, Colin,
but it's an amazing life. But it has been met
with great wins against him in w I N d Wind.
I mean, you know, people, it's not okay, he's a
hell of an athlete. But everywhere this man goes, now,
everywhere this man goes. When he went to Jockson, it
won't work out there. Oh no, he turned that around.
(04:18):
Then went to Colorado. Oh boy, you'll see when you
get the big time football it's different. Oh but he
turned that around. And here we come again with the
same doubt with dem Well what could he do in Dallas?
I sell people everywhere this man has set his foot
in the sand. He's leaves of footprint of greatness. So
Dallas needs to get on board with that, and I
hope they do. I gotta I can't say much about that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
By the way, you have a relationship you and Aikman
have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a
lot of people. And can I ask Jerry who now
does acting? He's pretty good on Landman, Yes, he's pretty
good showman. Do you has Jerry called you recently just
to chat about this?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I talked with Jerry when we were we had to
fight and we're somewhere else, so yeah, I was at
his house. We had an event in his place, so yeah,
we talked in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, okay, all right, I look, let's talk about the
future of Dallas.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Back up, let's back up too, like Troy and I
heard de Troy comments, and you know, I love Troy.
I love Troy to death. And it's to life a
better say the life CAUs Deanna called.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Me on that is it? Is it a coveted job?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
That's what I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I don't know if it is Philadelphia's roster. Jayden Daniels
ninety million cap space. I don't know if it's a
coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado State.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
We got to stop. We got to stop.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Prove it to me easily, easily. How many how many
coaches out here coaching? Uh?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
What a couple?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Hundred thousand co co coaching all the way college, high school,
A hundred thowns coaches.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Oh no, no, no, fifty thousand.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Max, No head coaches. I'm talking everyone everything. Okay, even
fifty thousand. They're only thirty two jobs in the National
Football to each one of those jobs going to pay you,
Bob nor to somewhere six seven million dollars a year.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
How how do I fix this radio on my face
to say something like what I say?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
It like what he said. I love them, But how.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Do you fix the radio on your face? The singer
song like, it's not a covety job. It's the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
There are only thirty two of them in this whole
wide world. And you're talking about a fifty thousand, max.
We're talking about nine United States. That coach is all
over the world that probably wants to come and coach
if they knew how to coach. Nation the Football League
Let's stop saying stuff like this. Let's stop saying this
is what you call it, purplely, it's the perfluous words
that you're just throwing out here. Sound like something, but
(06:41):
it's not true. It has no truth to it. This
is a coveny job. All thirty two of them are
coveted jobs in this country and mostly probably in this world.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So that right there is not right to even say that.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Now, the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team
in the National Football.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend.
So what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right here, de Troy is my friend too, a lot
of friends. But I can't lie. I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I would say this Jerry is That's why he's so
good on land Man. He's a performer. He loves the media.
There are those in the NFL that say, well, you
had Jimmy and Parcels and basically you ran them off.
I think what Troy was saying is no, it's a job.
But it does sort of feel like you got to
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answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio report.
Doesn't that get in the way a little?
Speaker 4 (07:37):
No? No, not if you're doing your job. I don't
care what Jerry says. I'm winning football games. I'm doing
my job. You could do what he say whatever you want.
Who cares. I'm doing my job and this is what
I'm saying, Guys, the owner talks. My issue is is
that is that why we so hard on Jerry because
he talks and does radio interviews. What's the separation between
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Jerry and the Rooney's. What's the separation. I keep bringing
this up and nobody tells me anything. I'm almost getting
afraid to bring it up now because the Rooneys must
have something on everybody. I don't know what's going on,
but the Rooney's run all of the organization in Pittsburgh,
and and they haven't given Mike Tumblin what he wants.
But we want to run Mike Tumblin out. But when
it comes to the Cowboys, it's it's it's all Jerry's fault.
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Any failure or any not seed succeeding, it is all
Jerry's fault.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Everywhere else, it's just a coach. It's in Pittsburgh, it's
just a coach.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Ry.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Nobody's put anything on the Ruoneys in Pittsburgh, and they
haven't found a quarterback in one hundred years hundred.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
But Jerry's different. He is a different owner. He does
radio hits, he talks after the game's right, He's a
how many owners would go on land Man and look
like an actor.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
But does that mean because Jerry's doing an interview that
is not a covenant job?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Can we take it that far? Can we say that?
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Does that mean because Jerry's doing interview that he hasn't
done a good job when he gave you twelve and
five talent every year over the last three years. So
come on, I don't mind you're not liking him. I
don't mind.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I don't want it.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
I understand all that a lot of people don't know him,
but a lot of people don't like him, and that's
why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man,
let's look at the reality and measure the reality and
stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a
coveted job.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Okay, yes it is.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I'm gonna throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this.
So years ago I went to a therapist. I don't
do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.
The best thing will and so my wife and I
were arguing about something and the therapist said to me,
he goes, you have a different brain than your wife.
She's an artist. You're more accountant. And we don't argue
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with this.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
He said. She sees colors, you see shapes. So when
you criticize her for this, she sees the world differently
than you. And then uh, And so I shared this
with my wife and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you.
Get over it, The point being it didn't change the
way I view. I'm always thinking I see the world
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in squares and circles, shel seeds and shades of lavender.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
So AJ, you got to come to her and said, okay,
when you say something, say okay, how did you reach
How did you receive that?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
That's right you got.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
How did you receive.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Is reading a book on the sidelines that made you happy?
Oh yeah, okay, see my brain works differently, Well, how
what did you see?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Because AJ is me?
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Me and AJ we are like I had to learn
when I left football. Of course I had some mistakes
and the steps in football. So I said to myself,
you're not catching any more touchdowns. Let's figure out why
we have some of the situations we have.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You know, I gotta figure this out.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And I was reading and trying to study and learn
more about me rand upon this book. It's a great
book called Edison Jean The Gift of the Adhd Child.
And in this book they're talking about what AJ Brown.
What AJ Brown is doing here. What he's doing is
trying to calm what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime
anyone in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if
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she's stressed in any way, Curtisol's released to the brain
of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a
flight of fight environment because that's what before. Yes, Mom's
so so his reptilian brain kind of get a little stuck.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
He's more after fight than reason.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Like me, I'm more after fight you will confront me
than reason with you. And it serves me great on
the football field. But when I'm driving down the street
and somebody says I have to figure out, I had
to say, you know, the book could tell you. The
book could tell you knowing that you're like this. It's
seventy five percent of just it's how winny.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
You see yourself and A. J.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Brown oh absolutely, Oh absolutely. That's why when everybody said
what are you doing here for? I said, man, it's
totally focused. This is totally focused.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'm focused on my energy being good energy for the team,
and I'm going to focus on me, and I know
I can't let this situation take over me. I understand
it because he and I are the same dude. I
understand what he was doing right there, and I think
all of us, a lot of receivers need to learn
it and even do this right here what he's doing,
because it really is brilliant.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
They got through the game and he was.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Out there joking when Saquon didn't go all the way
and run, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
What I mean.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So he put him back in the right frame of mind.
Even though we only got one pass. I don't know
if the book could have helped me with one pass
in a playoff game, but it helped.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Him, and that's good. That's good. I don't know I
would have been saying, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience.
I had lunch with rich Eisen a couple months ago
and we were talking, that's my man too, yeah, and
I said we had great affection for you, and we said,
you know, and you've had some missteps in life, haven't we.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
All yours even more public?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And uh and and our take was you're a curious person,
You're great, you have great empathy. Uh and and we
both shared kind of the same stories that we had
such great feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you
admit stuff. You're imperfect, but you're You're you, You always
you always come back to Michael at your heart. And
(13:21):
I think what you're saying now, you're addressing this with
a J Brown. I love that you're saying, guys, this
is me and everybody learns differently, everything lands differently.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
That's the there I'm not. I don't want to board
the audience.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
But now I can't take you can't take that side
of me without realizing this is this side of me,
and I'm working on this side of me.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let me get this book out and worked through me.
You see what I mean. And that's just a difference.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night, and there are
times you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players
get an all time great coach. You had Jimmy Johnson.
And I'm watching McVeigh last night. He's got Shanahan's brain,
he's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel, he's got Andy
(14:08):
Reid's play design, he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give
you big alpha energy.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
I didn't see a game. I saw a.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Little bit of a coaching mismatch last night. How is
McVeigh viewed around the league?
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And I'm with you on this.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think McVey is an incredible coach, an incredible coach.
Even the year they won that Super Bowl. To have
that kind of talent on that team and not have
any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That
means he managed all of those personalities. There's a lot
of personality.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in southern California
around this facility.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
And he puts it right in and used it. He
uses it. He doesn't run away from it. He says
to you, guys, hey, let's give our people back home
something to get away from the mess they're dealing with.
Let's make some great rates out of that great mess
you know, and get Let's get that. Let's try to
ride this. Every team this time of the year tries
(15:08):
to find that hook. Yes, that hooks them in like that.
That's why we always call it what man also.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Gets the world.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Ain't nobody saying nothing to what you mean? They just
start saying that you guys are undefeated right now, who's
against you? But we always come up with these montres.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
You're looking for a hook.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
You're looking for the hook.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
And this disaster has given the Rams when and they
played like it was a hook, like we're going to
give these people some relief from what the what they've
been dealing with. And they boy, they they laid it
out on the Vikings last night with them nine sacks.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I mean, they played well.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So when you were a cowboy, the coach and the
quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you
and Emmett were viewed as the weaponry. But it was
a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality. Philadelphia is interesting.
I don't trust the coach. I think the center of
the team is Saquon Barkley. I think the center of
(16:04):
the team is the old line. And I don't know
if you can win a super Bowl in twenty twenty five.
And that's not a knock on Jalen Hurts. I like him,
but he's not Lamar Mahomes. Statistically, he's not golf, he's
not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket.
What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the
coach is yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind
(16:26):
of inconsistent? Can you win a super Bowl with that?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
I love that analogy that you just laid out and
how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about
the solidness of this team. I think Jalen Hurts is
a great leader, a great leader. But Saquon has brung
something different.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
It's totally different.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And let me tell you and us just talking about Jalen,
I mean a j Brown on the sideline reading a book,
and then him and DeVante smill Man, why did you
keep running with go go go with the ball? I
would have said, keep running, go down on the one
yard line of you're going to.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Go play right? Why you love you know why you
love it? Let me tell you why you love it.
Let me tell you why I think you love it.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, Hey, I'm
totally not selfish. Any other running back would have gone
and got rist of those yaws before he sat down,
because that's part of the great season you've had. You
had a two thousand yard Russian season. You're gonna have
one hundred and something.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be
as a running back the last guy in football you
can hit from any angle. That Saquon Barkley, who didn't
play the last week and could have set the record,
So you could have that animosity you break free to
seal it. And he is so in the moment that
(17:44):
he said, no, it's about us, not me.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
I got to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Get into there, the ability in the moment to go
I'm gonna sit down right here. I was just like, oh,
that dude's that dude's go two thousand miles an hour
right now.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Let me tell you how I saw it.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I said, while two things of that boy, that's great
because I saw DeVante and and and aj Brown.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
What do you keep going? Keep going? Keep going?
Speaker 4 (18:08):
So he's showing them something here, showing them Hey, man,
it ain't even about them numbers.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's about us getting the championship. And I love that
part of it.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well,
you know, there are things that could have happened. I
could have pulled the hamstrings up. I said, oh god,
it over here because I want That's why I wanted
him to get the record last week or the end
of the week end of the season, because I wanted
him to exercise that demon in his career. What's been
(18:38):
the demon in his career? It's been injuries and if
you go past it, said woman, to get this record.
I'm not going to let that demon make me afraid
to go and get the record. I believe that demon
also made him afraid to continue running.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
That's why he fell down.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Now he was going to fall down on the one,
but let's go get those other sixty yards. He has
to deal with that. But the lesson he gave A J. Brown,
a Devontae Smith, that was a great lesson. But he
has to deal with that in his own mind. I'm
so good at this people, That's what I do because
it's real these guys. I've dealt with it, and I
had to study it because I had to calm my
(19:15):
black butt down. I was crazy. She just gotta study
these things. Don't just study what you do, go learn
why you did it. Don't just hear what people say,
understand how they think.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
That's how you win in life.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Okay, when's the last time Dione and you text each other?
Could you give us the time on that.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
This morning, this morning, this morning? Yeah, of course, as.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Much for the audience that just tuned in. He said
to you, what, well, I can.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Only tell you so much and you can't be telling
the world everything is what he said to me.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And that's why I'm trying to find this line right here.
But they are, but they are talking, and to me,
that's heaven. I'm in.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I'm enjoyed because I talked about this yesterday with with
Keishawn and Joy and of course Paul on Speak and they
were talking about, well, what's the plan with Jerry. Jerry
was going in trying to make it work with Mike McCarthy,
but they couldn't agree on the years.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I said, oh, that's.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Great, and so now before Jerry let you guys win
and talk like he didn't have a plan, he'll go out.
This'll make him go go and do something differently and
more drastic because he I've heard him say many times,
I've always come out on top when forced to do
(20:33):
something or make a hard decision. It always worked out,
and this time will be the same thing.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I really do believe that. So all of Mike McCarthy
fall out.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
And Jerry wanted them and didn't get him a push,
this billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't
have normally done, like a hire of Don Sanders or
something like that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
So I'm excited to see what plays out.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I'm gonna try to keep these these big old' lips
I got closed like. But it's a hard task. He
understood it. He understood. He knows it's hard because I'm
excited too, so I gotta control myself.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Michael Irvan, the playmaker is always my friend.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
And I love you too, buddy. You're my man, great senior.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm so happy right now, y'all because we're gonna have
a good offseason.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
It gives us hope again, hope.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any
man getting fired, but just happy about new.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Direction and what's happening and what's going to happen. Yeah,
all right, we're.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
About to be in prime time I mean football games.
I don't know what I mean. Let me leave that alone.
I get any trouble.
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Speaker 1 (21:46):
All Right, Michael Irvan entertaining as he leaves the building
to the very last step in the building. He's entertaining
Nick Wright and Michael Irvan. Zach Ertz is around the corner.
J Mack, we're gonna heard line news. We'll just move on.
We'll just talk a little bit about But I think
Michael touched ons. I think Deon Sanders is better than
a fifty percent chance to get the job. That is
my I think Deon Sanders to me is the leader
(22:08):
in the clubhouse. I think Jerry wants to be interesting.
I think Dion is interesting. He has back to back
college jobs where he is at to some level flourished.
I think he connects with players. I think the NFL
is getting younger, locker rooms are getting younger, so I
think his wisdom and he can impart sort of leadership
and culture. And I do think the Cowboys, don't You
(22:29):
don't think of them as a broken franchise, but maybe
not Pittsburgh offensively, but they feel like the trains off
the tracks, and they got to get it back on
the tracks. The Jets feel broken, the Steelers offense feels broken,
the Bears feel broken, the Titans for years did or Carolina.
I don't think the Cowboys are broken. I think the
train's got to get back on the track. They got
to get the ball back on the fairway. And you know, Dion,
(22:51):
remember among players, he's a legend. Among players, he is worshiped,
and I think and even the young kids who didn't
see him play. So the NFL locker room's older, they
have a greater understanding of who he is.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I think I think it's a sixty forty seventy thirty.
Dion's the leader in the clubhouse.
Speaker 7 (23:10):
Let me ask you, said you you want to be interesting.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
He'll make him interesting.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Don't you want to win football games? Get back to
a super Bowl?
Speaker 5 (23:16):
But Dion doing that? We're not sure he can't do that.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
He has he proven it at the college level.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, Colorado was not a very good job. It was
a terrible job.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Terrible program. He did amazing things. I got that. But
this idea that he's gonna take a job.
Speaker 8 (23:31):
His son's going to be elsewhere in the league, and like,
I don't you're over fifty percent chance on Dion.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I think I may be low. I think it's closer
to I think it's closer to sixty.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
Don't go closer to five to ten percent. I no, shit,
I just don't see that.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
You've been saying all week, this is not a good job,
and now.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Deon ste well, no, no, I what I'm saying is,
I think Philadelphia's roster, Jayden Daniels, Dack's contract, Jerry's meddling.
I don't view it as a highly he coveted job.
But then when I look at the jobs that are
available this year, there was one I liked.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
There's about one job a year.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I look at Chargers last year, Patriots this year, I'm like, oh,
that's a good job. I'm telling you, New England got
a great draft pick and they don't need a quarterback.
Rabel's literally gonna trade down. They're gonna get thirteen draft picks.
They're gonna be a playoff team next year.
Speaker 7 (24:23):
So did the Patriots go for interesting or did they
go for the best coach on the market. Jerry screwed
this up once again. I don't again he could have
easily said, oh, McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
We like it, we want Vrabel, we want to go
for the best.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
But he wants interesting now, like name in the Name
and the lights. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
If I was a Cowboys fan, I'd be so irate
right now. You can't get Ben Johnson right because they
screwed up and they missed the window because they were
messing around with McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
And now it's like a Hail Mary for Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Well, if Deon's the coach, he'll have to beat Washington.
Zach Ertz, the Commanders, is joining us next.
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Speaker 1 (26:01):
One hundred and sixteen catches most ever for a tight end.
Zach Ertz is just a great guy to have in
the room. Tight End for the Commanders, A three time
pro bowler. Boy, this has been a magical season. I
don't remember a team winning more games on Hail Mary's
and doinks and less second games. It kind of feels magical.
(26:25):
Have you ever been part of a team with this
kind of late game success?
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Probably not this frequent to have this many close games
and you went on the very last play. You know,
we had the double dink in a playoff in a
playoff game a few years back in Philly, and then
we had another doink in this one for me.
Speaker 12 (26:45):
So I'm kind of used to that last second field goal.
Speaker 11 (26:49):
Obviously, you wish they didn't come down to that, but
it always feels good to win, and all that matters
this time of year is finding a way to win.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Obviously, they brought you in for your leadership, yours and
your productivity. How long did it take you, Zach, Maybe
a practice maybe whatever it was that you kind of
watched Jayden Daniels and went, this doesn't really feel like
a rookie quarterback necessarily.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
I know people were excited for him the moment he
got here. They have the Rookie Minicamp to bring the
rookies and it's just rookies. And I get a text
Saturday night from Cliff and like, hey, you need to
go watch the Rookie Mini Caamp film. I'm like, Cliff,
I'm in my twelve year do I really need to
go watch rookie Mini Caamp film? And he goes, you
need to check it out, and they and I watched
(27:38):
Jaden complete every pass over a two day period for
rookie minicamp, and I think from then you knew the
physical talent was there, but it also spoke to just
his preparedness for that.
Speaker 12 (27:52):
So he approached it like he was going into a game.
Speaker 11 (27:55):
The way he was on time with everything and just
from the moment he got here, his maturity, his determination
to be great, and commitment to the process. Guys just
love playing for him and playing with him, and he's
so talented as well.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, you know what else I like about him, Zach.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I like.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
The podium and I get into this stuff the podium
on the sidelines. He doesn't sulk. There's a temperament. There's
a temperament thing. Dak had this. I remember when Dak
broke into the league, Andrew Luck had this, and I
talk about this stuff all the time and my fans
just give me nothing but crap for it. But I'm like,
it does matter for quarterbacks. His temperament is like mature,
(28:39):
like right, it's different. So you see it too.
Speaker 12 (28:44):
It's it's it's he has the ultimate quiet confidence he is.
Speaker 11 (28:49):
He has such strong belief in himself, but it comes
off in a way that is so humble and guys
just I mean I have I compared him to Andrew
in the training camp. People called me crazy obviously playing
with Andrew in college, but just his poise, how how
(29:12):
composed he is.
Speaker 12 (29:14):
You can't tell whether we're up twenty one points or
down twenty one point.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Yeah, watching him on the sideline, and I think it's
just it rubs off on the rest of us because
we know eventually, no matter what's going on, it will
click because we see their guy that's leading our offense
each and every week, just the same guy, and he
knows that eventually he's going to make a play, and
we know he's eventually going to make a play, and
we're going to take off from there. So it does
(29:38):
rub off, and it doesn't mean a lot. And I've
played with guys that do not have that, and it's
a lot more fun to play with the guy that
is just composed and president in the moment every time.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
I never doubt you. But you've had a hell of
a year.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
You're the second leading receiver, You've had seven touchdowns. Be honest,
did you think you'd be this productive?
Speaker 12 (30:00):
You know, that's a great question. It's a fair question.
As well.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
I felt like the production when I'm healthy is always there. Honestly,
if I'm being honest, I have a lot of belief
in myself in the past two years that I just
haven't been healthy. I had the knee injury years two
years ago, and I probably rushed back at the beginning
of last year, and then last.
Speaker 12 (30:21):
Year it just wasn't the offense.
Speaker 11 (30:23):
Everything happened in Arizona after Cliff left was just it
wasn't a great situation. And so just for me, I
really wanted to be in a place where people believed
in me again, and I tell people all the time,
there's probably been two coaches in my career that believe
in me as much as Cliff and Frank Reich, and
those those two guys are special to me. And so
(30:43):
just being able to be with Cliff, and I heard
amazing things about coach Quinn, but even those have been
far exceeded in my experience here and just my entire
experience on this team as far exceeded all my expectation.
And I really just loved love coming to work every
day and that's when I get that That's why I'm
meant my best one. I'm able to be around guys
that I love the process because that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
By the way, you're one of the smarter players in
the league and Jayden Daniels, as we talked about has
An Andrew luck Field. It's funny you said that because
two days ago I said, I feel like I'm watching
Andrew luck cognitively, maturity, toughness. When Jayden targets you this
year one hundred passer rating, five touchdowns, seventy percent completion rate.
Will he extend your career? Will you stay in the game? Honestly,
(31:29):
I feel like you kind of found a guy that
you could grow with. I mean, you're gonna sit and
go home with Julie and say, I know we got
young boys, but I want to play a few more years.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Do you feel that way?
Speaker 11 (31:41):
Well, I think just being here in general with coach
Quinn and Cliff.
Speaker 12 (31:46):
Has made me feel rejuvenated.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
The way they've take taken care of me this year
with practicing and training camp and just making sure I'm
at my best when the game comes, I feel, and
then playing with Jaden, yes, I would love to play
with Jaden for a long time. I don't think I
don't think this is my last year. By any means,
I still feel like I have a lot of good
football in front of me. Obviously, there are things that
(32:12):
are going to happen in terms of the business side,
whatever it may be, but I don't worry.
Speaker 12 (32:16):
About that stuff. Everyone knows how I feel about this
place and the people here.
Speaker 11 (32:21):
I wish I was twenty two and just starting my
career to be able to play a really long time
with this kid.
Speaker 12 (32:26):
But I've loved every minute of it being here.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
By the way, you had a couple of catches this weekend,
third and fourth down, both got first downs. I think
we said this before. There are guys I want in
a locker room in the NFL. They're just guys I want,
and you're one of those guys. Zach Ertz and Commanders
tight end. Great seeing you love having you on your
story is amazing.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
I grew up.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm old enough to remember George Allen. They had a
different name they I can literally recite the entire roster
in seventy two, three, four five when they were getting
the Super Bowls to Joe Gibbs teams. So it's a
really great fan base. I am glad they're back, and
thank you for stopping by our show as oh as Zach,
I appreciate.
Speaker 12 (33:03):
It all right, Colin, take care, thanks for having just.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
A great guy, zach Ertz. And again this is a
glue guy in a locker room. And he made two
catches this weekend once again, third down, fourth that when
you get a rookie quarterback. Bill Parcells was so good
at this. Parcels always knew this. There are guys when
he went to Miami and he was the GM and
he started rebuilding the room. There are guys in a room.
They're great weightlift guys, they're great film room guys. They're
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really smart guys. They're not selfish guys. They'll help young
guys like zach Ertz Jad and Daniels go. Look at
his numbers when he's targeting him. He completed seventy percent
of his throws. And it's by the way, Brady, when
he went to Tampa, get me Gronk. Gronk's like, I'm retired,
I'm good. I'm on the beach. Say no, no, no, I
need Gronk. I need a toughness, I need his mindset.
(33:50):
You know, there's this The whole Jad and Daniels story
is I'm glad he mentioned Andrew Locke, Like That's why
I feel like I'm watching like this doesn't make sense.
How is Jaden Daniels this smart, this prepared, this accurate,
this poise his fourth quarter in overtime passer rating, It's like,
I think it's almost best in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Makes no sense? All right, Nick? Right, Michael Irvin, zach Ertz.
How lucky are we? As Jim Harbow would say, nobody's.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Got it better than us. Jay Mckett's to night off.
I still I still may just do some mock draft
prep tonight.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
Fox just hit me and said, hey, your Fox. Your
mock drafted monster numbers last month. Can you do another
this week? Do you want to collaborate on one?
Speaker 5 (34:33):
No, you work, throw your own boat.
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Introducing… Aubrey O’Day Diddy’s former protege, television personality, platinum selling music artist, Danity Kane alum Aubrey O’Day joins veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. Join them throughout the trial as they discuss, debate, and dissect every detail, every aspect of the proceedings. Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise, as only she is qualified to do given her first-hand knowledge. From her days on Making the Band, as she emerged as the breakout star, the truth of the situation would be the opposite of the glitz and glamour. Listen throughout every minute of the trial, for this exclusive coverage. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, an iHeartRadio podcast.
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