August 12, 2024 • 30 mins
NFL insider Tom Pelissero joins the show to provide an update on where things currently stand with All Pro WR Brandon Aiyuk and the 49ers
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well Monday through Friday. You see him on the NFL
Network on The Insiders XM serious host. I've been doing
it a long time and knows what he's doing. Tom
Pallisero is joining us live. So Ian O'Connor's book is
out on Aaron Rodgers. I did a deep dive last night.
I'll probably finish it in the next couple of days.
I've read chunks of it and I was saying it's earlier.
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Today we talked about Aaron. I've always been seen as
sort of anti Eron, but I'm not. I mean, he
probably should have been up front about the vaccine, but
you know, he's not the only person that fudged on that,
so I'm not. You know, I do feel o, Tom,
I kind of feel like this is an ending great
like far pivoted and eventually got to Minnesota and you're like, Wow,
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he still got it. I kind of feel like Aaron
needs a big year. He didn't have advertisers. He's kind
of on an island. I'm not even sure he's as
close to Sala as he was a year ago. Like,
am I wrong? It feels like he needs a pop year, right?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think I'd say this Colin. Aaron's very aware of
how he's perceived. He's very aware of what people are saying.
He never you know, you talk to the people who
are closest with him, they all say, like, Aaron will
never debate a subject unless he has researched it extensively.
And there's no subject on which Aaron Rodgers is a
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better expert than Aaron Rodgers. And I think that, you know,
this path of self discovery or whatever you want to
call it, that he's been on now for a number
of years, certainly created a really interesting individual. It's also
somebody who you know by the end in Green Bay.
And I was there for the working for the Green
Bay Prescazette when you know they had the far of
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Rogers transition after the two thousand and seven season. You
know Brett's dreams like the things that he had in
his mind were just going back to Hattiesburg, Mississippi and
riding the tractor around his property and literally chopping wood
all day. That's what he wanted to do with Aaron.
If you walked away tomorrow and said I'm gonna go
work at SpaceX and I'm going to Mars, you'd be like, yeah,
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I can. I can kind of see that. But at
the same time, he could do that tomorrow calling and
he has it. And you have to ask yourself, why
is a thirty nine going on forty year old guy
who's made more money than he'll ever need in his
life and is one four MVPs, why is he still
going here? And I think that on some level, yeah,
there's the passion for the game, but there there might
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be something to Aaron wanting to prove to whoever it is,
whether it's himself, public, whatever, that he's got one more
magical run in him. And part of that, you know,
maywell you know, And again I'm not inside Aaron's head,
but I wouldn't be surprised that part of that is
he remembers what it was like at the end for Brett.
Because Brett got traded. You know they O seven, they
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make that run of the NFC Championship Game. The Packers
wanted an answer him far of early. He retires within
like a month. He's he's talking to Greta van susterin
and doing interviews about he's coming back and the Packers
don't want me and all this stuff. Oh wait, was
a battle for him with the Jets. Then nine he
goes to Minnesota and but for that interception the NFC
Championship game, I mean he might add another super Bowl
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trophy to the case with Rogers, same thing. The first
year with the Jets doesn't go well. Aaron somewhere deep
down inside, learned a lot from you, Brett and from
watching it, and he's very aware of his surroundings, very
aware of what the environment is for him right now.
He knows that coming out having one last great season,
whether it ends in the Super Bowl, playoff, spot, an MVP, whatever,
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if he can show he can do it again, that's
gonna mean something to him before he goes on and
does whatever it is he's doing next.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, I was saying earlier, when you watch the
great ones, you often ask yourself, it could be messy,
it could be Lebron if they don't have a huge
physical advantage. I mean, Lebron's a big guy, but Wemby obviously.
But sometimes you'll just watch a great hitter, the late
Tony Gwinn, and You're like, why can't everybody.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Hit three fifty?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He takes that inside pitch, he hits it to the
hole in the left side. He makes it look so easy.
And conversely, I watched Justin Field and I'm like, oh,
he makes it look so hard. He's always he can't
get rid of the ball. The timing zohays bad, he fumbles.
I really thought he had a shot to beat Russell
and watched this weekend. I'm like, this is why he
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drove me nuts in Chicago, and just let's just talk
about this quarterback battle because I think privately people are
in Pittsburgh would love to see him flourish and pop.
And I watch him and I'm like, oh, it's like
Zach Wilson. There's so many things that should work and
they don't. What do you make of the quarterback situation
in Pittsburgh right now, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Colin, you summarize. I mean, this is the Justin Fields experience,
which is, if you edit together his highlight plays, his
positive plays. You'd walk away. You watch one YouTube video
for Commntion like this guy might be the best player
in the NFL, and then you kind of watch it
down in and down out, and you see so much
what he does is creating off schedule within the offense.
Like I watched the decent amount of that game the
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other day just because I was curious. I mean, the
poor herbig kid couldn't get a snap back the fields
like that put him in some tough situations. So I'm
not entirely gonna judge justin Field's off that. But what
they've seen from Ember one I've talked to in Pittsburgh
is very similar to what we saw in Chicago, which
is a guy who it can look really good at times.
He's one of the most dynamic guys with the football
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in his hands in the entire league, and there's other
times where you see those things like they had in Chicago,
where it's like, okay, you got it. Something's got to
be in rhythm. You gotta be able to rip the
football when somebody's open. What I think is really interesting
here Colin is the fact that they brought in an
offensive coordinator at Arthur Smith, whose offense kind of takes
at least some of the level of timing out of it.
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It's very much a pound the football, run the football,
play action, take some deep shots, which also has been
where Russell Wilson has been at his best during the
course of his career. I know this with Mike Tomlin
in his history, whether it's with coaches, whether it's with players,
He'll stick with his guys and give them every opportunity
until he simply can't give them another one that I
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think applies to Russell Wilson. He said throughout the offseason,
the Russ is in pole position. They've got him pushing
a blocking sled on the first day and a conditioning
drill and he pops his calf. Russ from everything I
was told the next day was like, I can go,
I can practice. It's the doctors that have been holding
him back here. But unless Russ goes out and simply
plays terribly when he gets his preseason opportunity, I know
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Mike Commin hasn't said yeah, whether he'll start that second
preseason game. I believe Mike Tomlin again, just knowing how
he perceives the locker room dynamics, the building dynamics. He'll
give Russell Wilson the opportunity to go out there and
play regardless of what Justin Fields does. The real question
to me is how long do you go with that?
How good is this Pittsburgh team? Because you and I
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both know if they start out six and three versus
starting out three and six, the dynamics are completely different
in terms of public pressure and everything else. But Mike
Tomlin has never been one that cave to public pressure.
If anything, he will push back. He'll keep Matt Canada
a year beyond where people are chanting for the guy
to be fired. Why because he believes in them, just
like the Steelers believe in their guys. They keep head
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coaches for twenty years. They give Mike Tomlin an extension
when he hasn't won a playoff game in what six
seven years here. So I believe it'll be Russell Wilson
when we come out of the gate here, and I
don't know that Justin Fields is going to do a lot,
positive or negative to change that. In the short term.
I'm interested to see how, if it all, do they
get Fields on the field when we get to the
regular season games, then just kind of how does that
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position out over the course.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So I had somebody ten days ago tell me a
former NFL player who's been a great source through the years,
said I's gonna sign it's it's it's getting real close.
Thirty six hours. Well it never transpired. Very good reporters everywhere.
We're all over the map on this, people that I
respect widely. Where it's in, it's out, it's over. He's
in Pittsburgh, and my takeaway is it was close, and
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he he was offended by something. San Francisco's like, this
is the number, deal with it. And then he said
I'm out. And then they didn't like the choices and
he comes back, and then San Francisco is not in
a great mood. And a friend of mine, John Middlecoff,
said last night he may be the only receiver that
signs a four year, hundred million dollar deal and is
still bitter. Where are we at with Brandon Iyuk and
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the Niners. I do believe that if if you're a
wide receiver, man, they scheme you open. It's like McVeigh
Cooper cup is always open. It's like San Francisco, George
Kittle's wide open. I know he's not a burner. I
would have a hard time leaving McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan
or Kevin O'Connell. I think he's just best served there.
(09:12):
What are you hearing.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well? I think Kyle Shanna would be the first one
to tell you it's a lot easier to scheme those
guys open when they're really good players. But you're right,
that's Kyle's greatest skill is being able to get people open.
I think that there's a fluidity to this situation that's
unlike many things that we've seen in recent years, and
there's tons of different dynamics at play. I'll give you
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the short version based on what I know, Colin, in
terms of how this entire thing has played out. So obviously,
there would have been an opportunity way back in March
for the forty nine ers to get a deal with
done with Brandon Ayuk. They thought at that time that
what Ayuk was asking for was going to be out
of their price range. Then all of a sudden, you
see all these wide receiver deals that are getting done,
and suddenly, not only does that number probably fit right
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in line with what these are wide receiver contracts would be,
but the AUK number naturally goes up because he's seeing
the other contracts, say well, now I need to get
this much money. So they had to sit down talk.
I reported this. I think it was back in June.
It was around the mini camp. They sat down. Both
sides said some things need to be said. You could
put a lot of stuff out there, making TikTok videos,
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mfing the the security gate to get into the building
and recording this video, staging it. Telling Jane Danielsye, they
said you didn't want to be back. Everybody got some
stuff off their chest, and the thinking was after the
fourth July they'd get back together and try to hammer
out a deal. Well, there really wasn't any progress or
even negotiations on a new contract prior to the start
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of training camp, so AYUK starts to hold in. There's
no end in sight. It's apparent that they're not really
anywhere in the same ballpark on this. So about two
weeks ago the forty nine ers re engaged with trade
talks that they really hadn't been since back before the
draft when they got some calls and they were trying
to get a first round pick and more or a
high for pick. For Brandon n Ayuk. They started just feeling out, Okay,
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what could we get if we traded him? What would
we be able to get? And by the way, we
want a wide receiver as a part of any deal.
That's where the New England's come into play. That's where
the Clevelands come into play. Everybody knew roughly where the
number was with Brandon Ayuk, and the forty nine ers
started selectively granting permission for Ayuk's agent to negotiate with
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his other teams. Then all of a sudden, you know,
the Cleveland stuff starts to come out, and it kind
of came out after that one had already come to
a head. And then it was a week ago that
you start having, you know, various reports about well this
is you know, this is a done deal for Ayuk
to Pittsburgh. Well the reality was, ay you could sort
of come to the conclusion at that point the only
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place he wanted to go to was Pittsburgh, but they
were the team that didn't have a receiver to send
to San Francisco. So what do the forty nine ers do.
They start calling all these other teams saying, Okay, if
we make this deal, can we trade for this receiver
or that receiver, and other gms are going. So the
second week of August, I'm not gonna cut you a
deal on this and help you out with my number
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one or number two wide receiver. So the forty nine
ers then regrouped. By the end of last week they
sort of had come to the conclusion, Listen, the best
thing we can do is make this work with Brandon Ayuk,
a guy we know, a guy, we know how well
he fits. We think that we can get here. So
they re engaged on the contract negotiations. That was at
the tail end Thursday, Friday of last week. And you know,
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as we sit here right now two thirty Eastern time,
eleven thirty out there in La calum we don't have
a firm and final answer. As Brandon Ayuk posted in
an Instagram comment because where else responding to a tweet
that I had, he said, you know, there's two options,
pick one basically, and let's go. That's a message to
the forty nine ers here that hey, either you meet
my number or I'm going to Pittsburgh. There's really no barriers,
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there's no obstacles to getting something done with the Steelers.
If the forty nine ers decide to go that direction,
but absent another answer for what wide receiver can help
win the Super Bowl right now, Colin, they want to
try to get this thing done with Brandon Nyuk and
the card they stole in their back pocket, they haven't
played it. I don't know if they will play it,
but the card they would have in their back pocket
is saying, you know what, we need you too bad.
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We're not trading you. We're not gonna trade you for
less than we could have gotten somewhere else just because
you want to go to Pittsburgh. You're under contract for fourteen.
You take our best offer, or you play this year
for fourteen. Again, We're not there yet. I don't know
that we ever get there. That's the one card the
forty nine ers have not yet played because they are
really trying to heal this relationship, and like a lot
of things, call them. The way to heal this relationship
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is give them grand and Ayuk the number he once.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Tom pellis our NFL network final question. Most of this
stuff bo Nix is going to be the starter you
think Drake May is not. It'll be next year or something.
Caleb's gonna start Jaden's gonna start. Most of these are
pretty simple. The one that's really interesting to me is
Michael Pennick. So I defended Atlanta. I said, folks, sixty
quarterbacks take a snap. The best problem to have in
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the NFL. We have two quarterbacks that can win. That
is not a problem. If everybody shy something. I can
live with Pennock sitting for a year. Mahomes did, Carson
Palmer did, Jordan love Farm. I'm okay with it, and
I do think Kirk off this surgery is pretty close
to the end. And then I watched Michael Penix. It's
a very good old line, and I'm like, they got weapons.
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I'm like, this is interesting. I know they're paying Kirk,
but it is a surgery. He wasn't mobile before this.
Is there a shot maybe they would look bad? But
is there a shot that if they're not gonna give
snaps to Kirk much in the preseason off that injury,
what if PENNICKX just lights it up for the next
three weeks? Is there a shot? They're like, all right, well,
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yesterday is today? The future happened way sooner than we thought.
That stuff happens in this league all the time and
a lot of tom You know this front offices don't
want egg on their face. A lot of times they're like,
let's let it play out. But I wonder if Pennix
chops it up in the preseason, are we sure the
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whole year.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Is Kirks, think about it this way, Colin. The fact
that you're asking me that question on your very popular
talk show is exactly the environment that the Falcons created. Righting,
Michael Pennix Junior. It's the fact that you have this
precise scenario that they had to fully think through in
terms of the environment. Because it's totally different to say,
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you draft Patrick Mahomes. We got Alex Smith here, he
can sit for a year. It's totally different than hey,
we trade up and took Jordan Love. We still got
Aaron Rodgers. We can afford to wait.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Kirk Cousins had gotten one hundred million guaranteed six weeks before,
and like an hour before they make the pick. They
got Kirk on stage whipping the towel at the draft
party and get the fans excited about this team, and
then oh yeah, they call him and hey, we're taking
your eventual replacement.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
There was always this scenario where when Pennix plays well,
I don't think there's any question callin that Kirk Cousins
starts in week one. It would be, in my opinion,
bananas to go away from that, just based upon how
you've set yourself up, what you said was your organizational
philosophy for operating the way that you did, and the
money you've already given to Kirk Cousins. But you and
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I both know if Pennix does this in the preseason
and then we get to week one, well, remember you
got Kirk coming off the Achilles. He looked great when
I was down there in Atlanta. Everything I've heard behind
the scenes is he's moving fantastic. He's an elite processor.
I believe that he'll be fine. But if it's rocky
out of the gate, if you get in the rhythm
and the timing and the tempo, you got a first
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time play caller. They start out ohing one, they start
out owing two. He throws an interception on the first drive.
It's not just that people are gonna be thinking, boy, well,
they need time here. It's also a matter of you
create this environment where the fans are gonna be chanting
for the other guy. That's the difficult part. I know
that Raheem Morris, Terry Fonta. Everybody thought through all these
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things they were comfortable with it because they believe and
they've said this outright. Ever, gonna be in the spot again.
We're never gonna draft this high again. So we got
to take this guy now. It is outside the box column.
When you do unorthodox things, it opens you up to
a different type of criticism here. It's a fantastic problem
to have, but it's one that even if the reckoning
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doesn't come here, you know, prior to week one, come
twenty twenty five, if Pennis plays well in the preseason
and maybe even gets some action in the regular season
depending of Kirk, you know, gets dinged up at any
point here, you're gonna have real questions about a guy
who's guaranteed money all the way out into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Tom Pellasarro NFL Network X, I'm sorry, great seeing you again,
Love your office, love your stuff, good insight, good stories,
my man, Thanks again.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Love you behind that organ. Colin always a pleasure.
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Speaker 6 (17:53):
By the way, Oh boy, oh boyl the Jets pass
rusher Hassan Reddick, the all pro very good pass rusher
came from Philly, has informed the team he wants to
be traded.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh lord, oh boy, the Jets are a mess. It's uh,
that is not good. You know, I was thinking about
this because Tom used to work in Green Bay and
he covered the far as he told you to Aaron transition.
Tom's really connected on that and many things, but that
and it's funny. So I'm reading, you know, I started
reading the Aaron Rodgers book from you and O'Connor, and
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they talk about when he dated Olivia Munn and she
sent something back. This has been confirmed to me to
two or three people I know, a gift from his
parents to Aaron they were dating. She said send it back,
and Aaron's like, hey, don't blame her. Aaron could use
a great season. First of all, he now admits he
lied about the vaccine. Okay, a lot of people did whatever.
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I'm not going to beat up on somebody for that.
The vaccine was polarizing. I live in a state, California
that I had I thought the government reached on a
lot of stuff, closing down beaches. A lot of people
just didn't want to take the vaccine. I did took
a boostern vaccine. I'm fine, I'm not gonna judge whatever.
But you know it's funny Mahomes is making fifty million
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dollars a year in endorsements. Manning and Brady make as
much as they want to. They turned business down. Aaron's
given away about in the last two or three years,
he's given away about seventy five million dollars one hundred
million dollars because no company wants a troll as a spokesperson.
And that's a little bit. You know, as a podcaster,
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conspiracy theories are great, it'll grow your audience as a
franchise quarterback and a spokesman for Wall Street. It's not
what anybody wants. So he's in a weird space. Well,
this book details it. Didn't get along with any of
his family. You know, he's lying about the vaccine now
regrets it. You know, basically, any friendship he has there
has to be very strict. You have to adhere to
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borders and boundaries or you're out. So it's like Aaron
and let's be honest about it. Brady left New England,
the franchise right up. Aaron left Green Bay. They're better
today than they were when he was last there. So
it's like, I think he could use a good year,
and people think I'm anti Aaron. I would love to
see the Packer. I would love to see the Jets
going a nine game winning streak. It's great old quarterbacks
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resurrecting their career. We bury these old quarterbacks. We bury
Lebron and Steph at the Olympics, they rise. Aaron being
great is phenomenal for my job. I need more content,
not less. But I do think he needs a big
year and he hears everything. So his brand now is
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it's not like Mahomes' brand is winner, fun, winner in
Dak's brand is likable in winter. If Brady's is safe, clean, legend,
you know you have. Aaron's brand is kind of out there,
kind of divisive, polarizing, not really a fan, family guy,
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anti authority. It's a weird brand new He's got enough money,
never been married, no kids. It's it's not like that,
but it's it's I think he could use a good year.
Farv succeeded when he left, Brady succeeded, Matt Stafford succeeded,
Peyton Mannings succeeded, succeeded when he left. Aaron goes to
the Jets and it goes into the toilet. It doesn't
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help his legacy. I'm sorry it doesn't. A lot of
you guys out there had him as the best quarterback
in the league seven years ago. He was the best
player in the world. He was better than Brady. It's
not a good ending. He's gotten weird. He's gotten a
little weird and a little prickly and a little divisive.
And I'm not rooting against him, but this is not
good for the Jets. They traded a pick for a
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guy who might not play for them. Remember the conditional
third round pick came without a contract. This Jets fans
think the media is against them. The Jets are against
the Jets. You're against the Jets. You can't get out
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of your own way. Has nothing to do with us.
This is bad. You know, no owner in Green Bay
ran the franchise. If you leave a company and they
they're better than when you were there, it's not everybody
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else's fault. Like green Bay today, when's the last draft
pick they missed on. Now that Jordan loves a star,
start finding all the draft picks they missed on. The
Jets have missed on a quarterback and a left tackle
in the last five years. And the Packers don't do
a lot wrong. I know, they wear Dockers. They're a
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tad conservative. They're never quite as good defensively as we think,
and they've missed on some defensive picks. But Green Bay
is a really well run shop that nobody in the
NFL has gone far to Rogers the Jordan love, I mean,
the Niners went kind of Montana young Jeff Garcia. I
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think that in that order that's pretty good. But I
mean it's it's the whole time. Aaron was selling the
narrative that, hey, they don't know what they're you know,
I'm pushing back on some stuff I could do better
than here. Not really, you're with the Jets. Hassan Reddick
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wants to be traded. God just never. The soap opera
never ends.
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Speaker 1 (24:28):
All right, let's not waste any time, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News, all right, Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
The Associated Press has released their preseason Top twenty five poll,
Georgia taking the top spot after receiving forty six out
of the sixty two first place votes. The Bulldogs are
followed by Big Ten, Juggernauts, O House, State, and Oregon.
The Big Ten and SEC each boasts four teams in
the top ten, with Notre Dame in Florida State rounding
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it out. We got the list up here.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
What do you uh? What are some of your talking about.
I do not believe Michigan is that good. I do
not think too many upper class losses on the line.
I think Tennessee is better than fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
What about USC?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
I think it was the top twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think Iowa is a little better than twenty fifth.
I think USC is about right. Yeah, I think Iowa
is a little better than twenty fifth. I think Tennessee
is better than fifteenth. The Missouri might be a little
better than eleventh. I do not believe Michigan's ninth.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
You're also seeing the modern state of what college football
is going to be, where it's very sec and Big
ten dominant, and just the top nine alone.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I'll tello. Oregon's really good. I think the top five.
I have no disagreements with the top five. I think
they're whatever order they're in. I think Missouri's a little
bit better.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Tennis, like Lane Kiffin got Ole missed there.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think all Miss in Notre Dame, let me watch,
they're both very good. Depends on Ole. Miss will score
a lot of points. I want to see Notre Dames
offense and defensive coach new quarterback. I want to see
Notre Dames offense before I make a judgment they have
recruited very well the last couple of years. Penn State
keep your eye on it. Really like the quarterback James
Franklinton recruit. I think Penn State, I think Ohio State,
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Oregon and Penn State are easily the three best teams.
I think USC and Iowa keep your eye on. I
think Michigan's a little overvalued based on the last two
or three years of just crushing everybody.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
You also have you're a big fan of Brian Kelly.
Lsu there at thirteenth, but obviously not missing Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I just have to see their quarterback play. I'm sure
they'll be good. Love to see Utah up there. I
don't know. Oklahoma schedules brutal. Oklahoma maybe the sixteenth best
team and they may not end up there because their
schedules so hard. Right, rough schedule for them.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Yeah, I gotta be very interesting to see their first
season in the SEC. Let's turn our attention back to
the NFL. The Falcons shocked everyone when they selected Michael
Pennox junior with the eighth pick in April's draft. After
signing Kirk Cousins in free agency. Well, Pennis made some
impressive throws in that preseason debut over the weekend, finished
nine of sixteen one hundred and four yards, let Atlanta
on their only touchdown drive of the game. Here's what
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he had to say.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I felt really good about Michael. You know, he wants
one of those throws back that out that he threw
on the sideline, but he was able to go through
some progressions, really be able to progress. We get a
little pass happy with him obviously being your first round quarterback,
but it was fun to see even go out there next,
keep some of the pass plays and be able to
get some of this stuff done and really lead the
offense to get a minute out of the huddle. Pretty
much a pretty good night for him, and I was
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pretty pleased what he was able to do.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Talkings head coach Rahem Morris there, what'd you think of
Pennix and his thirst throws?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He and Jade and Daniels both throw beautiful deep balls,
like I mean, Pennis deep ball looks like I've said
that before. His comp is sort of Tua sure, the
stronger arm, he's too old with a stronger arm. He's
had some injuries left handed great, I mean beautiful touch.
I think it's interesting. I think I think the organization
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doesn't want to have egg on its face, so they're
gonna play Kirk Cousins. But Pennix is also pretty. So
the fans are gonna watch Penis in the preseason and go.
I like the way that looks left handers, whether they're batters,
golfers or quarterbacks. It looks prettier.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
There's a nice aesthetic there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, and it's like, you're gonna watch him as a fan.
You're gonna be like, that looks that looks way better.
He throws a beautiful, beautiful deep ball at Washington. I mean,
it's just it's money. He is tou O with a
better arm. That's my comp There you go.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
We'll wrap up with this. Chiefs wide receiver Marquis Hollywood
Brown had to be taken to the hospital after suffering
a colourbone injury after making a catch in the first
play of their preseason game this weekend. Brown was discharged
later that night, not going to require surgery, but a
status for the start of the season is in question.
The former first round pick did sign a one year
deal with Kansas City earlier this season.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Look Mahomes has done it.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Without wide receivers before. But not a great start to
the preseason for the Chiefs as they try to go
for a historic three p Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I mean, this is the downside to having an expensive
d tackle quarterback and star weapon is you're gonna be
light somewhere and they've chosen we're gonna be light at receiver.
They've rolled the dice.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'll give them this.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They've drafted a lot of guys. They've brought a lot
of guys over their hit rates about fifty percent. You know,
Juju worked for a year. We'll see the first round
kid Worthy.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
So on the football field, Rashi Rice is more very effective.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Now there are a lot of things happening off the field,
but on the football field, very good player.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ryan with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping back the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, the uh So j Max back tomorrow Monday. We're
not even officially, not officially in the football season. You know,
we got about a month ago. But it's just isn't
it easier you have a Monday to talk football. It's
like get schlarethon here to talk Bo Nicks and Tom
Pellisaro and to Mario Davis and show flew by. We'll
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well Monday through Friday. You see him on the NFL
Network on The Insiders XM serious host. I've been doing
it a long time and knows what he's doing. Tom
Pallisero is joining us live. So Ian O'Connor's book is
out on Aaron Rodgers. I did a deep dive last night.
I'll probably finish it in the next couple of days.
I've read chunks of it and I was saying it's earlier.
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Today we talked about Aaron. I've always been seen as
sort of anti Eron, but I'm not. I mean, he
probably should have been up front about the vaccine, but
you know, he's not the only person that fudged on that,
so I'm not. You know, I do feel o, Tom,
I kind of feel like this is an ending great
like far pivoted and eventually got to Minnesota and you're like, Wow,
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he still got it. I kind of feel like Aaron
needs a big year. He didn't have advertisers. He's kind
of on an island. I'm not even sure he's as
close to Sala as he was a year ago. Like,
am I wrong? It feels like he needs a pop year, right?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I think I'd say this Colin. Aaron's very aware of
how he's perceived. He's very aware of what people are saying.
He never you know, you talk to the people who
are closest with him, they all say, like, Aaron will
never debate a subject unless he has researched it extensively.
And there's no subject on which Aaron Rodgers is a
(01:50):
better expert than Aaron Rodgers. And I think that, you know,
this path of self discovery or whatever you want to
call it, that he's been on now for a number
of years, certainly created a really interesting individual. It's also
somebody who you know by the end in Green Bay.
And I was there for the working for the Green
Bay Prescazette when you know they had the far of
(02:12):
Rogers transition after the two thousand and seven season. You
know Brett's dreams like the things that he had in
his mind were just going back to Hattiesburg, Mississippi and
riding the tractor around his property and literally chopping wood
all day. That's what he wanted to do with Aaron.
If you walked away tomorrow and said I'm gonna go
work at SpaceX and I'm going to Mars, you'd be like, yeah,
(02:33):
I can. I can kind of see that. But at
the same time, he could do that tomorrow calling and
he has it. And you have to ask yourself, why
is a thirty nine going on forty year old guy
who's made more money than he'll ever need in his
life and is one four MVPs, why is he still
going here? And I think that on some level, yeah,
there's the passion for the game, but there there might
(02:55):
be something to Aaron wanting to prove to whoever it is,
whether it's himself, public, whatever, that he's got one more
magical run in him. And part of that, you know,
maywell you know, And again I'm not inside Aaron's head,
but I wouldn't be surprised that part of that is
he remembers what it was like at the end for Brett.
Because Brett got traded. You know they O seven, they
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make that run of the NFC Championship Game. The Packers
wanted an answer him far of early. He retires within
like a month. He's he's talking to Greta van susterin
and doing interviews about he's coming back and the Packers
don't want me and all this stuff. Oh wait, was
a battle for him with the Jets. Then nine he
goes to Minnesota and but for that interception the NFC
Championship game, I mean he might add another super Bowl
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trophy to the case with Rogers, same thing. The first
year with the Jets doesn't go well. Aaron somewhere deep
down inside, learned a lot from you, Brett and from
watching it, and he's very aware of his surroundings, very
aware of what the environment is for him right now.
He knows that coming out having one last great season,
whether it ends in the Super Bowl, playoff, spot, an MVP, whatever,
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if he can show he can do it again, that's
gonna mean something to him before he goes on and
does whatever it is he's doing next.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
You know, I was saying earlier, when you watch the
great ones, you often ask yourself, it could be messy,
it could be Lebron if they don't have a huge
physical advantage. I mean, Lebron's a big guy, but Wemby obviously.
But sometimes you'll just watch a great hitter, the late
Tony Gwinn, and You're like, why can't everybody.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Hit three fifty?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He takes that inside pitch, he hits it to the
hole in the left side. He makes it look so easy.
And conversely, I watched Justin Field and I'm like, oh,
he makes it look so hard. He's always he can't
get rid of the ball. The timing zohays bad, he fumbles.
I really thought he had a shot to beat Russell
and watched this weekend. I'm like, this is why he
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drove me nuts in Chicago, and just let's just talk
about this quarterback battle because I think privately people are
in Pittsburgh would love to see him flourish and pop.
And I watch him and I'm like, oh, it's like
Zach Wilson. There's so many things that should work and
they don't. What do you make of the quarterback situation
in Pittsburgh right now, Well.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Colin, you summarize. I mean, this is the Justin Fields experience,
which is, if you edit together his highlight plays, his
positive plays. You'd walk away. You watch one YouTube video
for Commntion like this guy might be the best player
in the NFL, and then you kind of watch it
down in and down out, and you see so much
what he does is creating off schedule within the offense.
Like I watched the decent amount of that game the
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other day just because I was curious. I mean, the
poor herbig kid couldn't get a snap back the fields
like that put him in some tough situations. So I'm
not entirely gonna judge justin Field's off that. But what
they've seen from Ember one I've talked to in Pittsburgh
is very similar to what we saw in Chicago, which
is a guy who it can look really good at times.
He's one of the most dynamic guys with the football
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in his hands in the entire league, and there's other
times where you see those things like they had in Chicago,
where it's like, okay, you got it. Something's got to
be in rhythm. You gotta be able to rip the
football when somebody's open. What I think is really interesting
here Colin is the fact that they brought in an
offensive coordinator at Arthur Smith, whose offense kind of takes
at least some of the level of timing out of it.
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It's very much a pound the football, run the football,
play action, take some deep shots, which also has been
where Russell Wilson has been at his best during the
course of his career. I know this with Mike Tomlin
in his history, whether it's with coaches, whether it's with players,
He'll stick with his guys and give them every opportunity
until he simply can't give them another one that I
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think applies to Russell Wilson. He said throughout the offseason,
the Russ is in pole position. They've got him pushing
a blocking sled on the first day and a conditioning
drill and he pops his calf. Russ from everything I
was told the next day was like, I can go,
I can practice. It's the doctors that have been holding
him back here. But unless Russ goes out and simply
plays terribly when he gets his preseason opportunity, I know
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Mike Commin hasn't said yeah, whether he'll start that second
preseason game. I believe Mike Tomlin again, just knowing how
he perceives the locker room dynamics, the building dynamics. He'll
give Russell Wilson the opportunity to go out there and
play regardless of what Justin Fields does. The real question
to me is how long do you go with that?
How good is this Pittsburgh team? Because you and I
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both know if they start out six and three versus
starting out three and six, the dynamics are completely different
in terms of public pressure and everything else. But Mike
Tomlin has never been one that cave to public pressure.
If anything, he will push back. He'll keep Matt Canada
a year beyond where people are chanting for the guy
to be fired. Why because he believes in them, just
like the Steelers believe in their guys. They keep head
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coaches for twenty years. They give Mike Tomlin an extension
when he hasn't won a playoff game in what six
seven years here. So I believe it'll be Russell Wilson
when we come out of the gate here, and I
don't know that Justin Fields is going to do a lot,
positive or negative to change that. In the short term.
I'm interested to see how, if it all, do they
get Fields on the field when we get to the
regular season games, then just kind of how does that
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position out over the course.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
So I had somebody ten days ago tell me a
former NFL player who's been a great source through the years,
said I's gonna sign it's it's it's getting real close.
Thirty six hours. Well it never transpired. Very good reporters everywhere.
We're all over the map on this, people that I
respect widely. Where it's in, it's out, it's over. He's
in Pittsburgh, and my takeaway is it was close, and
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he he was offended by something. San Francisco's like, this
is the number, deal with it. And then he said
I'm out. And then they didn't like the choices and
he comes back, and then San Francisco is not in
a great mood. And a friend of mine, John Middlecoff,
said last night he may be the only receiver that
signs a four year, hundred million dollar deal and is
still bitter. Where are we at with Brandon Iyuk and
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the Niners. I do believe that if if you're a
wide receiver, man, they scheme you open. It's like McVeigh
Cooper cup is always open. It's like San Francisco, George
Kittle's wide open. I know he's not a burner. I
would have a hard time leaving McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan
or Kevin O'Connell. I think he's just best served there.
(09:12):
What are you hearing.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well? I think Kyle Shanna would be the first one
to tell you it's a lot easier to scheme those
guys open when they're really good players. But you're right,
that's Kyle's greatest skill is being able to get people open.
I think that there's a fluidity to this situation that's
unlike many things that we've seen in recent years, and
there's tons of different dynamics at play. I'll give you
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the short version based on what I know, Colin, in
terms of how this entire thing has played out. So obviously,
there would have been an opportunity way back in March
for the forty nine ers to get a deal with
done with Brandon Ayuk. They thought at that time that
what Ayuk was asking for was going to be out
of their price range. Then all of a sudden, you
see all these wide receiver deals that are getting done,
and suddenly, not only does that number probably fit right
(09:59):
in line with what these are wide receiver contracts would be,
but the AUK number naturally goes up because he's seeing
the other contracts, say well, now I need to get
this much money. So they had to sit down talk.
I reported this. I think it was back in June.
It was around the mini camp. They sat down. Both
sides said some things need to be said. You could
put a lot of stuff out there, making TikTok videos,
(10:19):
mfing the the security gate to get into the building
and recording this video, staging it. Telling Jane Danielsye, they
said you didn't want to be back. Everybody got some
stuff off their chest, and the thinking was after the
fourth July they'd get back together and try to hammer
out a deal. Well, there really wasn't any progress or
even negotiations on a new contract prior to the start
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of training camp, so AYUK starts to hold in. There's
no end in sight. It's apparent that they're not really
anywhere in the same ballpark on this. So about two
weeks ago the forty nine ers re engaged with trade
talks that they really hadn't been since back before the
draft when they got some calls and they were trying
to get a first round pick and more or a
high for pick. For Brandon n Ayuk. They started just feeling out, Okay,
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what could we get if we traded him? What would
we be able to get? And by the way, we
want a wide receiver as a part of any deal.
That's where the New England's come into play. That's where
the Clevelands come into play. Everybody knew roughly where the
number was with Brandon Ayuk, and the forty nine ers
started selectively granting permission for Ayuk's agent to negotiate with
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his other teams. Then all of a sudden, you know,
the Cleveland stuff starts to come out, and it kind
of came out after that one had already come to
a head. And then it was a week ago that
you start having, you know, various reports about well this
is you know, this is a done deal for Ayuk
to Pittsburgh. Well the reality was, ay you could sort
of come to the conclusion at that point the only
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place he wanted to go to was Pittsburgh, but they
were the team that didn't have a receiver to send
to San Francisco. So what do the forty nine ers do.
They start calling all these other teams saying, Okay, if
we make this deal, can we trade for this receiver
or that receiver, and other gms are going. So the
second week of August, I'm not gonna cut you a
deal on this and help you out with my number
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one or number two wide receiver. So the forty nine
ers then regrouped. By the end of last week they
sort of had come to the conclusion, Listen, the best
thing we can do is make this work with Brandon Ayuk,
a guy we know, a guy, we know how well
he fits. We think that we can get here. So
they re engaged on the contract negotiations. That was at
the tail end Thursday, Friday of last week. And you know,
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as we sit here right now two thirty Eastern time,
eleven thirty out there in La calum we don't have
a firm and final answer. As Brandon Ayuk posted in
an Instagram comment because where else responding to a tweet
that I had, he said, you know, there's two options,
pick one basically, and let's go. That's a message to
the forty nine ers here that hey, either you meet
my number or I'm going to Pittsburgh. There's really no barriers,
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there's no obstacles to getting something done with the Steelers.
If the forty nine ers decide to go that direction,
but absent another answer for what wide receiver can help
win the Super Bowl right now, Colin, they want to
try to get this thing done with Brandon Nyuk and
the card they stole in their back pocket, they haven't
played it. I don't know if they will play it,
but the card they would have in their back pocket
is saying, you know what, we need you too bad.
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We're not trading you. We're not gonna trade you for
less than we could have gotten somewhere else just because
you want to go to Pittsburgh. You're under contract for fourteen.
You take our best offer, or you play this year
for fourteen. Again, We're not there yet. I don't know
that we ever get there. That's the one card the
forty nine ers have not yet played because they are
really trying to heal this relationship, and like a lot
of things, call them. The way to heal this relationship
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is give them grand and Ayuk the number he once.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Tom pellis our NFL network final question. Most of this
stuff bo Nix is going to be the starter you
think Drake May is not. It'll be next year or something.
Caleb's gonna start Jaden's gonna start. Most of these are
pretty simple. The one that's really interesting to me is
Michael Pennick. So I defended Atlanta. I said, folks, sixty
quarterbacks take a snap. The best problem to have in
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the NFL. We have two quarterbacks that can win. That
is not a problem. If everybody shy something. I can
live with Pennock sitting for a year. Mahomes did, Carson
Palmer did, Jordan love Farm. I'm okay with it, and
I do think Kirk off this surgery is pretty close
to the end. And then I watched Michael Penix. It's
a very good old line, and I'm like, they got weapons.
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I'm like, this is interesting. I know they're paying Kirk,
but it is a surgery. He wasn't mobile before this.
Is there a shot maybe they would look bad? But
is there a shot that if they're not gonna give
snaps to Kirk much in the preseason off that injury,
what if PENNICKX just lights it up for the next
three weeks? Is there a shot? They're like, all right, well,
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yesterday is today? The future happened way sooner than we thought.
That stuff happens in this league all the time and
a lot of tom You know this front offices don't
want egg on their face. A lot of times they're like,
let's let it play out. But I wonder if Pennix
chops it up in the preseason, are we sure the
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whole year.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Is Kirks, think about it this way, Colin. The fact
that you're asking me that question on your very popular
talk show is exactly the environment that the Falcons created. Righting,
Michael Pennix Junior. It's the fact that you have this
precise scenario that they had to fully think through in
terms of the environment. Because it's totally different to say,
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you draft Patrick Mahomes. We got Alex Smith here, he
can sit for a year. It's totally different than hey,
we trade up and took Jordan Love. We still got
Aaron Rodgers. We can afford to wait.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
Kirk Cousins had gotten one hundred million guaranteed six weeks before,
and like an hour before they make the pick. They
got Kirk on stage whipping the towel at the draft
party and get the fans excited about this team, and
then oh yeah, they call him and hey, we're taking
your eventual replacement.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
There was always this scenario where when Pennix plays well,
I don't think there's any question callin that Kirk Cousins
starts in week one. It would be, in my opinion,
bananas to go away from that, just based upon how
you've set yourself up, what you said was your organizational
philosophy for operating the way that you did, and the
money you've already given to Kirk Cousins. But you and
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I both know if Pennix does this in the preseason
and then we get to week one, well, remember you
got Kirk coming off the Achilles. He looked great when
I was down there in Atlanta. Everything I've heard behind
the scenes is he's moving fantastic. He's an elite processor.
I believe that he'll be fine. But if it's rocky
out of the gate, if you get in the rhythm
and the timing and the tempo, you got a first
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time play caller. They start out ohing one, they start
out owing two. He throws an interception on the first drive.
It's not just that people are gonna be thinking, boy, well,
they need time here. It's also a matter of you
create this environment where the fans are gonna be chanting
for the other guy. That's the difficult part. I know
that Raheem Morris, Terry Fonta. Everybody thought through all these
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things they were comfortable with it because they believe and
they've said this outright. Ever, gonna be in the spot again.
We're never gonna draft this high again. So we got
to take this guy now. It is outside the box column.
When you do unorthodox things, it opens you up to
a different type of criticism here. It's a fantastic problem
to have, but it's one that even if the reckoning
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doesn't come here, you know, prior to week one, come
twenty twenty five, if Pennis plays well in the preseason
and maybe even gets some action in the regular season
depending of Kirk, you know, gets dinged up at any
point here, you're gonna have real questions about a guy
who's guaranteed money all the way out into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Tom Pellasarro NFL Network X, I'm sorry, great seeing you again,
Love your office, love your stuff, good insight, good stories,
my man, Thanks again.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Love you behind that organ. Colin always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
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Speaker 6 (17:53):
By the way, Oh boy, oh boyl the Jets pass
rusher Hassan Reddick, the all pro very good pass rusher
came from Philly, has informed the team he wants to
be traded.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh lord, oh boy, the Jets are a mess. It's uh,
that is not good. You know, I was thinking about
this because Tom used to work in Green Bay and
he covered the far as he told you to Aaron transition.
Tom's really connected on that and many things, but that
and it's funny. So I'm reading, you know, I started
reading the Aaron Rodgers book from you and O'Connor, and
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they talk about when he dated Olivia Munn and she
sent something back. This has been confirmed to me to
two or three people I know, a gift from his
parents to Aaron they were dating. She said send it back,
and Aaron's like, hey, don't blame her. Aaron could use
a great season. First of all, he now admits he
lied about the vaccine. Okay, a lot of people did whatever.
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I'm not going to beat up on somebody for that.
The vaccine was polarizing. I live in a state, California
that I had I thought the government reached on a
lot of stuff, closing down beaches. A lot of people
just didn't want to take the vaccine. I did took
a boostern vaccine. I'm fine, I'm not gonna judge whatever.
But you know it's funny Mahomes is making fifty million
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dollars a year in endorsements. Manning and Brady make as
much as they want to. They turned business down. Aaron's
given away about in the last two or three years,
he's given away about seventy five million dollars one hundred
million dollars because no company wants a troll as a spokesperson.
And that's a little bit. You know, as a podcaster,
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conspiracy theories are great, it'll grow your audience as a
franchise quarterback and a spokesman for Wall Street. It's not
what anybody wants. So he's in a weird space. Well,
this book details it. Didn't get along with any of
his family. You know, he's lying about the vaccine now
regrets it. You know, basically, any friendship he has there
has to be very strict. You have to adhere to
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borders and boundaries or you're out. So it's like Aaron
and let's be honest about it. Brady left New England,
the franchise right up. Aaron left Green Bay. They're better
today than they were when he was last there. So
it's like, I think he could use a good year,
and people think I'm anti Aaron. I would love to
see the Packer. I would love to see the Jets
going a nine game winning streak. It's great old quarterbacks
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resurrecting their career. We bury these old quarterbacks. We bury
Lebron and Steph at the Olympics, they rise. Aaron being
great is phenomenal for my job. I need more content,
not less. But I do think he needs a big
year and he hears everything. So his brand now is
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it's not like Mahomes' brand is winner, fun, winner in
Dak's brand is likable in winter. If Brady's is safe, clean, legend,
you know you have. Aaron's brand is kind of out there,
kind of divisive, polarizing, not really a fan, family guy,
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anti authority. It's a weird brand new He's got enough money,
never been married, no kids. It's it's not like that,
but it's it's I think he could use a good year.
Farv succeeded when he left, Brady succeeded, Matt Stafford succeeded,
Peyton Mannings succeeded, succeeded when he left. Aaron goes to
the Jets and it goes into the toilet. It doesn't
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help his legacy. I'm sorry it doesn't. A lot of
you guys out there had him as the best quarterback
in the league seven years ago. He was the best
player in the world. He was better than Brady. It's
not a good ending. He's gotten weird. He's gotten a
little weird and a little prickly and a little divisive.
And I'm not rooting against him, but this is not
good for the Jets. They traded a pick for a
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guy who might not play for them. Remember the conditional
third round pick came without a contract. This Jets fans
think the media is against them. The Jets are against
the Jets. You're against the Jets. You can't get out
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of your own way. Has nothing to do with us.
This is bad. You know, no owner in Green Bay
ran the franchise. If you leave a company and they
they're better than when you were there, it's not everybody
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else's fault. Like green Bay today, when's the last draft
pick they missed on. Now that Jordan loves a star,
start finding all the draft picks they missed on. The
Jets have missed on a quarterback and a left tackle
in the last five years. And the Packers don't do
a lot wrong. I know, they wear Dockers. They're a
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tad conservative. They're never quite as good defensively as we think,
and they've missed on some defensive picks. But Green Bay
is a really well run shop that nobody in the
NFL has gone far to Rogers the Jordan love, I mean,
the Niners went kind of Montana young Jeff Garcia. I
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think that in that order that's pretty good. But I
mean it's it's the whole time. Aaron was selling the
narrative that, hey, they don't know what they're you know,
I'm pushing back on some stuff I could do better
than here. Not really, you're with the Jets. Hassan Reddick
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wants to be traded. God just never. The soap opera
never ends.
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All right, let's not waste any time, Ryan with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News, all right, Colin.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
The Associated Press has released their preseason Top twenty five poll,
Georgia taking the top spot after receiving forty six out
of the sixty two first place votes. The Bulldogs are
followed by Big Ten, Juggernauts, O House, State, and Oregon.
The Big Ten and SEC each boasts four teams in
the top ten, with Notre Dame in Florida State rounding
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it out. We got the list up here.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
What do you uh? What are some of your talking about.
I do not believe Michigan is that good. I do
not think too many upper class losses on the line.
I think Tennessee is better than fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
What about USC?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
I think it was the top twenty.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think Iowa is a little better than twenty fifth.
I think USC is about right. Yeah, I think Iowa
is a little better than twenty fifth. I think Tennessee
is better than fifteenth. The Missouri might be a little
better than eleventh. I do not believe Michigan's ninth.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
You're also seeing the modern state of what college football
is going to be, where it's very sec and Big
ten dominant, and just the top nine alone.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, I'll tello. Oregon's really good. I think the top five.
I have no disagreements with the top five. I think
they're whatever order they're in. I think Missouri's a little
bit better.
Speaker 7 (26:00):
Tennis, like Lane Kiffin got Ole missed there.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
I think all Miss in Notre Dame, let me watch,
they're both very good. Depends on Ole. Miss will score
a lot of points. I want to see Notre Dames
offense and defensive coach new quarterback. I want to see
Notre Dames offense before I make a judgment they have
recruited very well the last couple of years. Penn State
keep your eye on it. Really like the quarterback James
Franklinton recruit. I think Penn State, I think Ohio State,
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Oregon and Penn State are easily the three best teams.
I think USC and Iowa keep your eye on. I
think Michigan's a little overvalued based on the last two
or three years of just crushing everybody.
Speaker 7 (26:40):
You also have you're a big fan of Brian Kelly.
Lsu there at thirteenth, but obviously not missing Jaydon Daniels.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I just have to see their quarterback play. I'm sure
they'll be good. Love to see Utah up there. I
don't know. Oklahoma schedules brutal. Oklahoma maybe the sixteenth best
team and they may not end up there because their
schedules so hard. Right, rough schedule for them.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
Yeah, I gotta be very interesting to see their first
season in the SEC. Let's turn our attention back to
the NFL. The Falcons shocked everyone when they selected Michael
Pennox junior with the eighth pick in April's draft. After
signing Kirk Cousins in free agency. Well, Pennis made some
impressive throws in that preseason debut over the weekend, finished
nine of sixteen one hundred and four yards, let Atlanta
on their only touchdown drive of the game. Here's what
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he had to say.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I felt really good about Michael. You know, he wants
one of those throws back that out that he threw
on the sideline, but he was able to go through
some progressions, really be able to progress. We get a
little pass happy with him obviously being your first round quarterback,
but it was fun to see even go out there next,
keep some of the pass plays and be able to
get some of this stuff done and really lead the
offense to get a minute out of the huddle. Pretty
much a pretty good night for him, and I was
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pretty pleased what he was able to do.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
Talkings head coach Rahem Morris there, what'd you think of
Pennix and his thirst throws?
Speaker 1 (27:56):
He and Jade and Daniels both throw beautiful deep balls,
like I mean, Pennis deep ball looks like I've said
that before. His comp is sort of Tua sure, the
stronger arm, he's too old with a stronger arm. He's
had some injuries left handed great, I mean beautiful touch.
I think it's interesting. I think I think the organization
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doesn't want to have egg on its face, so they're
gonna play Kirk Cousins. But Pennix is also pretty. So
the fans are gonna watch Penis in the preseason and go.
I like the way that looks left handers, whether they're batters,
golfers or quarterbacks. It looks prettier.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
There's a nice aesthetic there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, and it's like, you're gonna watch him as a fan.
You're gonna be like, that looks that looks way better.
He throws a beautiful, beautiful deep ball at Washington. I mean,
it's just it's money. He is tou O with a
better arm. That's my comp There you go.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
We'll wrap up with this. Chiefs wide receiver Marquis Hollywood
Brown had to be taken to the hospital after suffering
a colourbone injury after making a catch in the first
play of their preseason game this weekend. Brown was discharged
later that night, not going to require surgery, but a
status for the start of the season is in question.
The former first round pick did sign a one year
deal with Kansas City earlier this season.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Look Mahomes has done it.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
Without wide receivers before. But not a great start to
the preseason for the Chiefs as they try to go
for a historic three p Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I mean, this is the downside to having an expensive
d tackle quarterback and star weapon is you're gonna be
light somewhere and they've chosen we're gonna be light at receiver.
They've rolled the dice.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I'll give them this.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They've drafted a lot of guys. They've brought a lot
of guys over their hit rates about fifty percent. You know,
Juju worked for a year. We'll see the first round
kid Worthy.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
So on the football field, Rashi Rice is more very effective.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:43):
Now there are a lot of things happening off the field,
but on the football field, very good player.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ryan with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping back the herd line news.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, the uh So j Max back tomorrow Monday. We're
not even officially, not officially in the football season. You know,
we got about a month ago. But it's just isn't
it easier you have a Monday to talk football. It's
like get schlarethon here to talk Bo Nicks and Tom
Pellisaro and to Mario Davis and show flew by. We'll
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see you tomorrow.
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