May 19, 2025 • 33 mins
FOX Sports NFL & CFB Analyst Geoff Schwartz stops by The Herd to talk about Caleb Williams' comments on his first season with the Bears, Brock Purdy's new contract, Shedeur Sanders playing for the Browns and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Jeff Schwartz played in the NFL for almost a decade.
Of course, his brother is Super Bowl winner right tackle
for the Kansas City Chiefs. He is now joining US live,
which we always appreciate him stopping buy also host a
bar Bets podcast with our friend Chris Flika, So you
know the Caleb Williams. One of the comments off the
seth Wickersham book was there's nobody there watching film with me.
(00:48):
So you tell me, when you're watching film as a quarterback,
is it a solo endeavor? Are their coaches always there?
You tell me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What I found interesting about that comment isn't really about
the coaches helping him. It says there was no veteran
to help them. That's how you learn, watching film from veterans,
from guys that have done it before. Yeah, your coaches
can help you, but the coaches have the game plan
that the meat on their own and there are specific
times when you do meet with them and they do
work with you. But a lot of time, when you
watch film quote unquote, like on your own, it's with
a veteran when you're a young player. I mean, Jordan
(01:19):
Gross was my mentor give a shout out. He helped
me learn how to watch film, how to lift, how
to prepare, how to do all those things. And when
you look at the depth chart last year with the Bears,
there was no veteran like that was a huge mistake
of theirs that they didn't have someone just there, not
to compete with him for the job, but just there.
Hey man, here's how you prepare. Here's how you watch film.
Here's how you watch a pressure tape. Here's how you
watch a base defense tape. Here's what do you on Fridays,
(01:41):
the here's how you prepare on Saturdays. And of course
ones that always do exactly what the veteran tells them
to do, but it's a good sounding board. It's someone
to talk to who's been through the battles of NFL season.
There was no one there to do that with, so
couple with probably not understanding that coaches might not watch
as much film with you as you'd like, is you
have to find a different way to learn, and that's
a way a lot of guys learn. And so that
(02:03):
was surprising to me that I guess I hadn't thought
about that, and I when looked back at the depth
chart and there was no one there, no teammates to
help him.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Do his comments. They bothered boomeras size, and do they
bother you in retrospect?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
They don't bother me. I do question sort of the
timing of why they're out now the book that's it's
not due till September last. I checked it in the
middle of May. A people rushing out to buy the
book today because the comments are out, So that's kind
of I don't know why they're out today. But look,
his dad, I think I ended up being right in
year one, a lot of dysfunction, not great situation. So
(02:43):
you know, in the end, his dad was right. Now, obviously,
now you can change the course of the history of
the Bears. Right you bring in Ben Johnson, you're bringing
the additions they've made to the offensive line on defense,
and you can become the Bears first four thousand yard
passer and change everything. But I think up until now
his dad has been right. I mean, his family's been right.
It has been dysfunctioned, and look, I know they helped
(03:04):
to change that with the Ben Johnson higher.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know, it's funny the world we live in. I
can like a player, but in a salary cap sport,
you know, I don't worry about it. In baseball, Paywan
Soto what you want if you're Steve Cohen. But I
didn't like the to A deal or the Dak deal,
and I feel the exact same way about the brock
Pretty deal. I like Dak and Tua at the right number.
(03:29):
Now revenues go up, maybe fifty three feels like forty
eight in two years. But I feel the exact same way.
I've called brock pretty, Jeff, the AFC. Tua not as
good in bad weather, a little smaller than i'd love,
can struggle pushing the ball downfield again if it's a
little windy or inclement and a couple injuries where one more,
(03:53):
I'm not sure what I have. Do you feel that
it's kind of like the to A deal.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I feel like he's one of the quarterbacks that you
have mentioned that needs a lot around him to elevate
his team. Right, He's not a guy like an Alan
Mahomes Herbert Jackson, Like we know that, right, that a
guy that's can to elevate everyone around him. If things
are going well, he's going to play really good. The
thing we don't talk about with the Niners and with
some of these teams as well that signed these quarterbacks
(04:20):
is how important it is to draft and develop when
you play when you pay someone this much money. The
Chiefs have done it well, the Eagles, the Ravens, the
Bills to some extent, The Niners haven't. Go look at
their roster right now, Colin. Find me the impact players
they have drafted in the last five seasons, right, Not a.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Lot of them.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And that's what's going to hold them back is they
have not draft and developed. And look, they lost multiple
first round picks on the Trey Lance deal, so they
have a first round pick for a couple of years.
Hard to draft impact players in the third, fourth and
fifth round like successfully year after year, and they just
don't have. So they're they're they paid rock prey, which
they had to do, as you mentioned, like they had to.
They had to do it. There was no option. But
(05:02):
now you look at the roster and you think, okay,
which Williams is gone? When Kittle's older, when McCaffrey's older,
when all these guys get older, where are the packed players?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Last year's draft was good, I think so far. But
they got a guard and here, so I think it
will be good, but obviously was hampered first half of
last year with playing time. The problem with the Niners
isn't they paid party that the rest of the roster.
Where's the young, impactful players.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, they're hoping Michael Williams is that they're hoping the
kid they got in the first round is that. You know,
it's a couple of weeks ago we had or a
week ago we had the rookie mini camps. Now I
am under the I believe this that Dylan Gabriel was
a reach. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback. Of note,
I think the front office of Cleveland, not counting the owner,
(05:46):
wanted to draft a quarterback so they get out of
the Chadure conversation. My buddy John Middlkoff mentioned this, and
then by the fifth round the owner knocked on the
door and said go draft him. That said, I think
Shador is going to win the I don't think he's great,
but I think he's accurate. He moves well enough. Where
do you land on that circus? I mean, it's Kenny Pickett,
(06:08):
it's Gabriel, it's shit door. It's like a where are
you on the Cleveland quarterback situation?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I feel like there's sort of two separate job applications
jobs happening.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
There's like the Flacco Kenny Pickett, who's going to start
Like that's one competition, right, and the loser of that
most likely is released, okay, And then there's sort of
like the Gabriel Sanders who's the primary backup. I don't
think that at Gabriel Standers camp, unless they are so
good early in training camp are going to overtake sort
of the picket Flacco who's going to start competition? Right,
(06:40):
because look, those guys have experience. And I mentioned this
when the draft happened, there's four quarterbacks that need reps.
You have single practices. Now you don't have two days,
and now even practices you get every fourth day off
and you have a load of management day. Like there's
just not enough reps calling unless you dure is that
good early on, he's that much better than Flacco, which
(07:01):
he probably won't be in practice. Right Flacco has done
this a long time now, so you basically would have
to give him the job, saying, hey man, we just
see so much of practice, there's not a lot to
see in games. Yet we'll give them jobs. I think
early on it's probably Flacco Pickett, whoever wins that job,
and then the primary backup will just be the winner
of the Sanders, Gabriel, I'll thank you. Look, Gabriel, I'm
with you. I think he's a career backup, but he's
(07:23):
gonna look good in practice. Like you're gonna have to
basically lose that job in the preseason, and I think
you will. I think Senators will play better him, So
I think that right now. I think Flacco starts probat
of the year as a quarterback at some point, though
Sanders overtakes him and get shoutcau. Flaco gives you only
so much, right, there's not a lot of upside in that.
Just sort of get you through the first couple of weeks,
maybe feel good about your offense, get some wins here
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and there don't make a ton of mistakes. Eventually that's
gonna run out. We saw it n Indya last year
they tried to bench Richardson for Flacco. Lasted like two weeks.
So I think Sanders will eventually play, but probably not
the season Number one.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was talking about. There's been these questions about I'll
circle back to Caleb Williams that there was a little
bit of ego and I said, well, he was the
first NIL superstar, so I've defended him. And there was
questions about Chaudure not wanting to like, like, you know,
his dad kind of leading the charge on. So the
last couple of years we've had Caleb a little pushback
(08:22):
on the emotion nil Shadeur Sanders drops in the draft.
Dad's talking next year we have Arch Manning and again
the Manning family is American royalty. Now. I think it's
interesting how they've handled it. They have never transferred, they've
been Now he's making six million NIL, so I think
(08:42):
the Mannings have because of Dad Eli Peyton, like they
get the game, they get the quarterback position right, like
just be a good sport, be a backup to quinn Ewers.
But you're a college football die hard and I think
I'm beyond the casual in college football? What do you
you make a year out a year ago today? Quinn
yours was a first round quarterback? Is Arch Manning? Is
(09:06):
the Manning name a bigger part of this than the talent?
What do you see with him?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, well we just have He hasn't played a ton
of football yet. I mean, when he's played the football,
there's obviously signs that he can mature in to something
that's that's special. I think to think about this year
in college football, it's the year the quarterback. I mean,
there's like eight quarterbacks right the top of your head
that could go number one. Now, obviously they probably all
won't be the ninth quarterback who goes first overall. But
(09:33):
you look at you look at Arch, you look at
a club Nick and ness Meyer and all these guys,
and I'm missing obviously a bunch of names here. Like
there's gonna be so many quarterbacks this year. It's gonna
be sort of like an ice cream flavor, right, like
you pick your favorite one and it might be different
across different teams. Arch just has to play more. When
you see more consistent play, just hasn't played right. Yours
has been the starter. He's spots started. He's looked good
(09:55):
in those moments. But look, when you spots start, teams
don't have film on you. You know it's the fifth, sixth,
seventh game in a row you played, where teams start
figuring out. Okay, Well, when he rolls to his right,
he does this. When he looks left, he does that.
Here's the offensive that they've designed for him. What if
we take that away? What's next? So in the glimpses
we've seen, he looks like a very complete quarterback. Just
(10:15):
you see a full season. He'll get a full year
this year. A lot of people predict Texas back in
maybe a championship game, winning the SEC. Like he'll have
his moments this year, calling they have a hard schedule,
like they play at Ohio State and then have Georgia
as well. They might have Bama as well, like they're
they're gonna have an opportunity or he will have an
opportunity to play the better teams in the country to
(10:37):
show us whether or not he's good enough. Now, the
last thing I'll say here, the NFL draft, I think
has gone away from what do you show me on Saturdays?
And it's more what can you be on Sundays. So
we might think a quarterback here and there doesn't have
it in college, but teams look at his talent, his
arm talent, his his his maturity, his mental capacity, his
(10:59):
ability to to see things happen in real time, and say,
we want that guy on our team. The cost crushing
doesn't matter as much. So this'll be a fun year.
There's so many quarterbacks this season. There could be seven
to eight guys in the top two days.
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Speaker 1 (11:21):
Jess Schwartz, I want to leave you with this, and
I said this last year. I got some pushback. I
said it last week, is that people are hyperventilating. The
first thing the WNBA did is they just didn't understand
how popular Caitlin Clark was. I mean again, with Taylor Swift,
you got ten years off your ticket master to figure
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out how popular she was. Sometimes you just don't know
how big of a star she is. So I'm not
going to crush the league for that. But it was
funny watching the foul over the weekend that got upgraded
to a flagrant, and I thought, God, the league doesn't
know how to efficiate this rivalry. Yet it's like nobody
quite knows how to handle it. What did you make
of this foul? The flagrant, the talk after, what did
(12:05):
you make of it?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I like competitors that are fiery. I've said this for
many years now, like sports are emotional. It's okay if
in the motion of a sport, two grown adults yell
at each other and are angry. I've never had a
problem with it. I don't get the flagrant foul system
in basketball. I've never gotten it. That didn't look like
a flagrant to me. They sort of deem like anything extra,
(12:30):
non intentional that's a little bit hard. Is a flagrant foul?
The thing that's so fascinating to me. And I'm gonna
steal this from from Josh Pai because as he came
up with this with this term. In twenty twenty three,
when Colorado started three to zero, there were a lot
of people talking about Colorado and Dan Sanders that did
not talk about college trouble ever, and they said things
that were now a little bit different. And that's the
(12:52):
Dion Taxi said, right where it's people that don't really
cover the sport, don't they don't pick cants of the sport.
But now we're forced to talk about it because its
pop and they're on shows and they gotta say something.
It feels like right now we're like a w NBA
tax a Caitlyn Clark injuries tax where people are commenting
about the sport. A don't watch it. They don't watch
sports a lot, they don't understand sports. Like, to me, yeah,
(13:13):
it's a hard foul, it happens in sport. Injuries got upset,
she yelled at Clark, like that's that's what happens a
lot all the time, NBA, NFL, NHL. I mean you
watch NHL. Watch to h they fight like all the time.
They punch each other in the face, they get into
it after goalie gets hit. Like, so to me, that's
sports and there's nothing more or less than what happened
during that play. But everyone has to talk about it
(13:36):
because they want to talk about the poplar thing that
happened this weekend. So it's like it's a tax on
new fans having the time there was. I've seen stuff
where people said calling that she should not play against
a fever anymore injuries, Like, what are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's just sports.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They just they're passionate athletes who one one founder, one yelder,
Like that's it. It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, basketball is not soccer. We don't swap animosities. Okay,
there's a history from high school, AAU college of the
pros where teams don't love each other. I mean it
was I covered UNLV and Duke. You remember this year
old enough to remember this. I covered U and LV
and Duke, and the coaches loved each other. But there
was a lot of good guy bad guy you know,
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the guys in the desert, they're the bad guys. The
Duke kids are great, and there was a lot of animosity,
and in the end it was like it was great.
A lot of those players ended up liking each other
or playing with each other. And I think to Josh
Page is a smart guy. To his credit, there's a
lot of overreaction to what is just sports, that's all
it is.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's just sports, so one is and I think, by
the way, this is all great for the league. Like
I think they didn't realize what was coming the last
couple of years, but all this attention, more eyeballs. I've
never watched more WNBA, not not just Kaylyn Clark, like
all of it more often now, some of that as
a sports wagering, of course, but nonetheless like I've watched
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more of it. I know you have, like we all have,
and it's good for me and they'll figure out sort of.
I think what the discourse should be when it comes
to these two.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Players, Jeff Schwartz has always Buddy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Thank you, Take care, Bud.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And uh, how about j Mac?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Now with the news, No, no, this is the headline news.
All right, let's get started with that Nuggets thunder series.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It ended with a bit.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Of a thud.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Nikola Jokic got zero help from his boys on the
road and they got smashed. Interestingly, after the game, Colin
Nikola Jokic is talking to reporters and he was pretty
blunt about their chances next year with the same unit.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Do you feel like this team could still win a
championship as it's put together now?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
I mean, we didn't so love this. We can't if
we if we, if we could win it? So I
don't believe in those if if stuff, So we had
an opportunity, we didn't. We didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We didn't minute.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
So I think Kent the teams that has a longer rotation,
a longer Benshet's Dumondo who are winning Indiana was the
name we see so kind.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Denver is feeling a little old, a little brittle
and a little expensive. Jamal Murray plays himself in his
shape every year, like Aaron Gordon got banged up, and yeah,
I mean it's I would move Porter, I would consider
moving Murray. I thought Christian Brown played really well good. Yeah,
I mean I my take is Jokicchen, Aaron Gordon. I'm
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riding with those two. And Christian Brown I think really
grew as a player. He's a bit, a bit stiff,
He's not as fluid as I like. But in the end,
I think Murray will probably come back because they have
so much like institutional knowledge of each other. Jokicchen Murray.
They've played together so many possessions. But I do think Jmax,
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I think they feel a little old, a little brittle
and a little expensive.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, no, you're you're spot on now. I do have
the salaries in front of him. Jokich is locked in
for a while. Murray is locked in.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
They're not going anywhere. The issue was Porter. You said
I would move off Quorter. They owe him.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Two years seventy eight million dollars. Yeah, that's pricing. He
was basically playing with one arm in the series. I
think he averaged nine points. Colin a shell of himself.
Maybe he gets healthy. If you want to move him,
I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to attach a number
one pick to it.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Like nobody's taken quarter. Unless you're giving me something else.
Then they got the Zeke Nausey deal. He was a
horrible move by the GM.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
They have no bench Colin, like Yoki is saying it,
this is unsustainable. We can't run it back. So you
either got to play the young.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Guys and take your.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Medicine and lose a bunch of games, or attach first
round picks to get off quarter.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
This is not gonna be helpful for Nuggets fans, but
the future.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Is very ugly's let's be honest. Look how valuable Russell
Westbrook was in the playoffs? Why because he give you
great energy? When you watched Denver this year in the playoffs,
did you not think this more than once? They look
gassed well against a click you know, well, I mean
I thought they looked gashed against Okay, see, that's why
Westbrook's energy was so violent. Everybody all of a sudden,
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myself included, were like, oh god, Westbrook's valuable on this
old team that's banged up. He was really valuable. They
got to get younger and they have to get deeper.
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
So the Westbrook has a player option, do you think
he picks it up and stays in Denver or does
he leave and say I can make more than three
and a half million.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Dollars somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think I think he stays there, and I think
they need him. I think he's good energy for them.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Well, agree to disagree on that. Let's move on to
the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Colin very excited for this series against the Pacers. So
Game one is Wednesday, Nix will have had a lot
of free time to rest up to get in price
for Game one seven hundred and three dollars at MSD
and that's for like nosebleed upper deck, worst seats in
the building.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Comparatively, Game one of the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, see one hundred and sixty dollars is like different
people in New York are very fired up. You saw
the scenes from Seventh Avenue on Friday.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It was a party.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did you see the video of Timothy shallow May, my guy,
the actor. He was like in a car in the
middle of the street, comes out the window.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
People are acting like he was like the president of
the United States. It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean there's also a lot of money
in New York. I mean, let's just let's not get
ourselves here. It's going to be I do think in
terms of big picture, I think the next will carry
a lot of I think the I think the arena.
I think New York feels just it feels different. It's
like for years and years you'd watched the Big East
Tournament in Madison Square Garden, and it didn't matter that
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the ACC may have been better on certain years or
the Big Twelve. It was like the Big East Tournament
felt bigger in New York. Louis Carnisaki against John Thompson
or whoever. It was like. So, I just think I
think New York basketball jumps through the TV. So I
think they'll get pretty good numbers. I don't think OKAC
Minnesota will do terribly well. But I think if you're
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a basketball head, I think you'll like it.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So if the Knicks make the finals, come all, we
could throw out all though, hey we need to change
the three point line and the league is too boring.
Too many old starts just get the next to the finals.
That makes me wonder are they going to get a
favorable whistle or do you not want to delve into conspiracy?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, I think two days before I think the most fascinating.
Remember people predicted years ago that when Utah played Michael Jordan's.
People thought it was going to be terrible ratings because
of small market Utah. But because Utah was built to
stop Michael and they had, it actually ended up being
a great finals. It got huge to this day, it
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maybe one of the I think it's the highest reted
final average.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
And that was like nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't even know that the streaming existed, like, come on,
that was a different era.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
No, it was the story some televisions about stories. The
Subway series got a terrible world series. Nobody outside of
New York care Utah was a good story. Small market
Utah against Michael Jordan and the Flu game became a
great story. Oklahoma City the small market and New York
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the deepest roster and a team that plays five guys.
That is a great story.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
So if you gave Adam Silver truth theorem, do you
think you would want Nick Thunder or Nick Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, I think Aunt is in New York performing. But
to me sports has always been Caplin Clark. Is she
as good as Cheryl Miller. She's a great story, Midwest girl,
non traditional power, the Next Step, Curry like some of
it's aesthetic, some of its story, and I think Denver,
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by the way I liked him, that Denver wasn't a
fascinating story. Their star was a second round pick. I
think the Knicks will carry the day. And you know,
I think Knicks okay See is great, but ant in
the finals probably is a better marquee and against the
Knicks is probably Again I'm saying story is probably the
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better story.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Final story, Colin is to the NFL where we have one, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Two NFL quarterback competitions and the Cleveland Browns is front
and center. Currently, Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are the veterans,
and you've got the young kids, Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
With OTA set to begin next week, there.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Are early reports out of Cleveland Wait for It, Colin
that Kenny Pickett is the front runner for the Cleveland
Brown job.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
As Colin, if you can't see him on TV, he
is definitely making a face. He doesn't like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Kenny Pickett apparently will get the bulk of the first
team reps and he's going to be given an.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Opportunity to win the job.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's fine, but he is not as good
as Flacco, and he is not as good as Shaduur,
So that's fine. You couldn't give whoever you want. You know,
they they may be looking to move people and they're
not gonna carry They're probably gonna carry two quarterbacks, not
four or five. So if you want to give him reps,
can you Picktt? Probably nice kid, you know, he went
to Philadelphia, was a backup, probably as a market as
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a backup. But I think Jeff Schwartz nailed it. Once
you get into real camp, how are you gonna give
these guys snaps? Dylan Gabriel and Shaduur needs snaps. I
wouldn't have a problem. If the organization just went Shaudure
one Dylan Gabriel two, I have no problem. Just go
two rookie quarterbacks want a clear backup one clearly bigger,
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better arm, better player.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Okay, so you wouldn't have a problem that Kevin Stefanski
is the coach.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
He drafted Dylan Gabriel, that was his guy two rounds
ahead of Shador.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Do you really think he's gonna start scheduor.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think Kevin Stefanski wants to win games. Whether you
like it or not, Chedur will pop after a very
short time as your best player. I really believe it.
I really believe that's not a that's not like PC.
Like I said this, I understood those who let him
drop to the middle second round like you just don't think.
(24:17):
But if there was no noise around, no noise, and
his dad wasn't famous, there was no noise, it's hard
for me to believe that he's not at least a
mid to a late second round pick. Dylan Gabriel to me,
was a fifth round pick who moved up.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
So you think just a don tallon if you removed
the last thing I can see pether're not that many
teams needed a quarterback, and I can see people liking
Jackson Dart more than Shador.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I didn't, but I get it, like I can see
there was only about six teams that needed a quarterback.
And nobody's gonna fall in love with Shdor. He's not big,
he's not elusive. There's nothing there cam Ward, there are
things you watch his elusiveness, his arm strength, You're like,
there's wow. There's no wow to Jackson Dart. There's no
wow to Chaduur. I think they're both second round quarterbacks.
(25:05):
Probably I would take Chadur late first and be okay
with it. Jackson Dart I thought was a reach, Dylan
Gabriel a reach. I thought the kid from Louisville who's
forty five years old, I thought he was a reach.
But I think should I think you're kidding yourself if
you think Schador is a fit round. But he's a
better prospect.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Than that Dylan Gabriel. What round you think he would
have been.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think he's a fifth round quarterback. I think he's
a career backup. That's fine, he's a good career back.
J Mack with a news, Well, that's the news and
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Welcome back to the uh Was this time? Was it?
Last week of the week before that the sports world
exploded with a Cooper flag apparently headed toward the Dallas Mavericks,
And I thought, you know, again, when you've been doing
what we've been doing for as long as we've been
(27:15):
doing it, there's just something about the NBA where anytime
there's a whiff of the conspiracy theory, it resurfaces. I
find it comical, like you'd want Zion going to the Pelicans,
like you'd want Cleveland winning multiple lotteries or Orlando winning
multiple lotteries. How come the Lakers aren't winning lotteries? You know?
(27:38):
I mean, this league, like every industry, you just have
certain general managers who were smarter. Danny Ainge has worked
a lot of GMS, Brad Stevens, Sam Presty, there's bad gms,
there's bad pilots. Some guys can land on the Hudson,
some guys you don't trust landing at Lax. Like the
reality of the NBA. I just the idea that you
(28:00):
would have picked Dallas. My take is if San Antonio
would have won it and you get three straight potential
rookies of the Year, that would feel like, oh, that
was a gift to Greg Popovich. I never even thought
for a second. I mean, there's not one part of
me that thought the NBA wanted to reward Nico Harrison,
(28:21):
like why he made a bad deal. If anything, it
was a bad light on the NBA. Well, Luca ended
up in Los Angeles. Well, Luca had just been to
a finals in Dallas. The Lakers are always okay, They're
always fine. So here was Jason Kidd, by the way,
on the Dallas MAVs podcast about the upcoming draft. Who
you drafted on June twenty fifth.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
We love that kid from Duke. Been studying him a
little bit, and so that's the answer. That's the real answer.
I mean, this draft is really talented. You have some
young men at the University of Rutgers, and so it's exciting,
but right now I'm studying the young man that used
(29:05):
to play at Duke.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, and I think it's interesting for Dallas. They've had
Dirk and they've had Luca. This would be their first
major even Nash was from Canada, their first major domestic star.
I think it plays well. Yeah, I think, you know,
it's just there's something about the NBA. And maybe it's
because if you you know, there's always been this sense
that if you get the star, you know you're golden, Like, oh,
(29:31):
the Knick's got Patrick Ewing. Well, it's okay if New
York occasionally wins a lottery. If you really look at
the lottery odds, what they've done, they've made it into
a raffle. It's just nobody has an advantage. What they
don't want is tanking working. So the teams with the
worst record, I think it's three years in a row.
This year it was Utah, they end up with a
fifth pick and that's what they wanted. So they've engineered it.
(29:55):
They have fixed it so that the teams that are
absolute awful in case they are tanking don't get the
number one pick, so they get good picks. They don't
get the great pick. So it's got a very much
a raffle feel to it. But I can remember people
really believe this. I remember, I'll tell you conspiracy theory.
I covered U and LV for years when they lost.
(30:17):
So they won the national championship the year before they
had crushed it was in Denver. I was there. They
crushed Duke. Duke had Bobby Hurley. I think Bobby Hurley
got sick stomach flew during it. And a la Abdul
Nabby was on that team and Larry Johnson and Stacey
Augman and Greg Anthony and Anderson Hunt and Moses Scurry
(30:38):
and David Butler and they rolled Duke. So they come
back the next year as an overwhelming favorite and they
lose to Duke, and people are like, oh, somebody was
out gambling that this can't this is not this has
to be thrown Well, No, Grant Hill was not on
that team in Denver. Grant Hill, the high school basketball
(30:59):
player of the year. Grant Hill was on the next
Duke team that played Latner Bobby Hurley. Grant Hill, Grant
Harrel was a spectacular, spectacular college basketball player even as
a freshman in Duke. And also it was hard for
you and LV. They had just thrashed this team to
try to make them believe this Duke team was going
to beat them. I was at that game as well.
(31:21):
Right out of the tip Duke got an alleyut slam dunk.
I think it may have been to Grant Hill. And
I was there for that game. And late in the game,
Greg Anthony got into foul trouble and UNLV is a
heavy favorite. Tark was never a great like late game
coach because he was in so many blowouts in those
weaker Western conferences he was in, And so it got
(31:42):
to be a close game. Shayshevsky was kind of working him.
Greg Anthony was hurt, Anderson Hunt really wasn't a true
point guard though he was small and should have been.
And Grant Hill was exploding on the scene. So it's
just and and by the way, there have been sports.
Have tennis matches years ago been thrown? Yes, was the
mob infiltrating some college basketball Henry Hill. Absolutely, Tim donneghy
(32:07):
situation was real. But when you get into this NBA
is rigged thing, folks. I told somebody the other day
I was having a cigar to play. He goes to
the NBA, and I said, listen, things get rigged. When
somebody's not getting taken care of, things get rigged.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I said.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Everybody's getting rich in the NBA, the commissioner, the owners,
the players, the coaches, the role players. Everybody's getting rich.
You have scrupulous people, and you have fixes in when
somebody's not making money. The mob to college basketball. College
(32:48):
basketball players are starving in a college campus, not making money.
They're easy targets, right, like everybody in the NBA is
getting theirs. So you know, there's just not there'd be
no reason to fix anything, right, especially after the eleven year,
seventy six billion dollar contract, when you can find somebody
(33:11):
that's kind of getting ripped off. That's why I always
said college basketball, that's a sport you could infiltrate. You
have three hundred and sixty Division one programs, half of
them never get on TV regularly. Nobody's watching the game,
and college players, until like four years ago with the
NIL weren't making anything. That's something that could get fixed.
The NBA people are making out too much money. Even
(33:33):
in the seventies and eighties when Michael was around. In
the eighties and nineties, you were splitting pies. Michael didn't
have a huge contract. Magic was making a million a year.
Role players now making twenty million bucks a year. All right,
we'll see you tomorrow. First things first is right around
the corner. Fun today on a Monday. We'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Jeff Schwartz played in the NFL for almost a decade.
Of course, his brother is Super Bowl winner right tackle
for the Kansas City Chiefs. He is now joining US live,
which we always appreciate him stopping buy also host a
bar Bets podcast with our friend Chris Flika, So you
know the Caleb Williams. One of the comments off the
seth Wickersham book was there's nobody there watching film with me.
(00:48):
So you tell me, when you're watching film as a quarterback,
is it a solo endeavor? Are their coaches always there?
You tell me?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What I found interesting about that comment isn't really about
the coaches helping him. It says there was no veteran
to help them. That's how you learn, watching film from veterans,
from guys that have done it before. Yeah, your coaches
can help you, but the coaches have the game plan
that the meat on their own and there are specific
times when you do meet with them and they do
work with you. But a lot of time, when you
watch film quote unquote, like on your own, it's with
a veteran when you're a young player. I mean, Jordan
(01:19):
Gross was my mentor give a shout out. He helped
me learn how to watch film, how to lift, how
to prepare, how to do all those things. And when
you look at the depth chart last year with the Bears,
there was no veteran like that was a huge mistake
of theirs that they didn't have someone just there, not
to compete with him for the job, but just there.
Hey man, here's how you prepare. Here's how you watch film.
Here's how you watch a pressure tape. Here's how you
watch a base defense tape. Here's what do you on Fridays,
(01:41):
the here's how you prepare on Saturdays. And of course
ones that always do exactly what the veteran tells them
to do, but it's a good sounding board. It's someone
to talk to who's been through the battles of NFL season.
There was no one there to do that with, so
couple with probably not understanding that coaches might not watch
as much film with you as you'd like, is you
have to find a different way to learn, and that's
a way a lot of guys learn. And so that
(02:03):
was surprising to me that I guess I hadn't thought
about that, and I when looked back at the depth
chart and there was no one there, no teammates to
help him.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Do his comments. They bothered boomeras size, and do they
bother you in retrospect?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
They don't bother me. I do question sort of the
timing of why they're out now the book that's it's
not due till September last. I checked it in the
middle of May. A people rushing out to buy the
book today because the comments are out, So that's kind
of I don't know why they're out today. But look,
his dad, I think I ended up being right in
year one, a lot of dysfunction, not great situation. So
(02:43):
you know, in the end, his dad was right. Now, obviously,
now you can change the course of the history of
the Bears. Right you bring in Ben Johnson, you're bringing
the additions they've made to the offensive line on defense,
and you can become the Bears first four thousand yard
passer and change everything. But I think up until now
his dad has been right. I mean, his family's been right.
It has been dysfunctioned, and look, I know they helped
(03:04):
to change that with the Ben Johnson higher.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know, it's funny the world we live in. I
can like a player, but in a salary cap sport,
you know, I don't worry about it. In baseball, Paywan
Soto what you want if you're Steve Cohen. But I
didn't like the to A deal or the Dak deal,
and I feel the exact same way about the brock
Pretty deal. I like Dak and Tua at the right number.
(03:29):
Now revenues go up, maybe fifty three feels like forty
eight in two years. But I feel the exact same way.
I've called brock pretty, Jeff, the AFC. Tua not as
good in bad weather, a little smaller than i'd love,
can struggle pushing the ball downfield again if it's a
little windy or inclement and a couple injuries where one more,
(03:53):
I'm not sure what I have. Do you feel that
it's kind of like the to A deal.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
I feel like he's one of the quarterbacks that you
have mentioned that needs a lot around him to elevate
his team. Right, He's not a guy like an Alan
Mahomes Herbert Jackson, Like we know that, right, that a
guy that's can to elevate everyone around him. If things
are going well, he's going to play really good. The
thing we don't talk about with the Niners and with
some of these teams as well that signed these quarterbacks
(04:20):
is how important it is to draft and develop when
you play when you pay someone this much money. The
Chiefs have done it well, the Eagles, the Ravens, the
Bills to some extent, The Niners haven't. Go look at
their roster right now, Colin. Find me the impact players
they have drafted in the last five seasons, right, Not a.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Lot of them.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
And that's what's going to hold them back is they
have not draft and developed. And look, they lost multiple
first round picks on the Trey Lance deal, so they
have a first round pick for a couple of years.
Hard to draft impact players in the third, fourth and
fifth round like successfully year after year, and they just
don't have. So they're they're they paid rock prey, which
they had to do, as you mentioned, like they had to.
They had to do it. There was no option. But
(05:02):
now you look at the roster and you think, okay,
which Williams is gone? When Kittle's older, when McCaffrey's older,
when all these guys get older, where are the packed players?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Now?
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Last year's draft was good, I think so far. But
they got a guard and here, so I think it
will be good, but obviously was hampered first half of
last year with playing time. The problem with the Niners
isn't they paid party that the rest of the roster.
Where's the young, impactful players.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, they're hoping Michael Williams is that they're hoping the
kid they got in the first round is that. You know,
it's a couple of weeks ago we had or a
week ago we had the rookie mini camps. Now I
am under the I believe this that Dylan Gabriel was
a reach. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback. Of note,
I think the front office of Cleveland, not counting the owner,
(05:46):
wanted to draft a quarterback so they get out of
the Chadure conversation. My buddy John Middlkoff mentioned this, and
then by the fifth round the owner knocked on the
door and said go draft him. That said, I think
Shador is going to win the I don't think he's great,
but I think he's accurate. He moves well enough. Where
do you land on that circus? I mean, it's Kenny Pickett,
(06:08):
it's Gabriel, it's shit door. It's like a where are
you on the Cleveland quarterback situation?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I feel like there's sort of two separate job applications
jobs happening.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
There's like the Flacco Kenny Pickett, who's going to start
Like that's one competition, right, and the loser of that
most likely is released, okay, And then there's sort of
like the Gabriel Sanders who's the primary backup. I don't
think that at Gabriel Standers camp, unless they are so
good early in training camp are going to overtake sort
of the picket Flacco who's going to start competition? Right,
(06:40):
because look, those guys have experience. And I mentioned this
when the draft happened, there's four quarterbacks that need reps.
You have single practices. Now you don't have two days,
and now even practices you get every fourth day off
and you have a load of management day. Like there's
just not enough reps calling unless you dure is that
good early on, he's that much better than Flacco, which
(07:01):
he probably won't be in practice. Right Flacco has done
this a long time now, so you basically would have
to give him the job, saying, hey man, we just
see so much of practice, there's not a lot to
see in games. Yet we'll give them jobs. I think
early on it's probably Flacco Pickett, whoever wins that job,
and then the primary backup will just be the winner
of the Sanders, Gabriel, I'll thank you. Look, Gabriel, I'm
with you. I think he's a career backup, but he's
(07:23):
gonna look good in practice. Like you're gonna have to
basically lose that job in the preseason, and I think
you will. I think Senators will play better him, So
I think that right now. I think Flacco starts probat
of the year as a quarterback at some point, though
Sanders overtakes him and get shoutcau. Flaco gives you only
so much, right, there's not a lot of upside in that.
Just sort of get you through the first couple of weeks,
maybe feel good about your offense, get some wins here
(07:44):
and there don't make a ton of mistakes. Eventually that's
gonna run out. We saw it n Indya last year
they tried to bench Richardson for Flacco. Lasted like two weeks.
So I think Sanders will eventually play, but probably not
the season Number one.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I was talking about. There's been these questions about I'll
circle back to Caleb Williams that there was a little
bit of ego and I said, well, he was the
first NIL superstar, so I've defended him. And there was
questions about Chaudure not wanting to like, like, you know,
his dad kind of leading the charge on. So the
last couple of years we've had Caleb a little pushback
(08:22):
on the emotion nil Shadeur Sanders drops in the draft.
Dad's talking next year we have Arch Manning and again
the Manning family is American royalty. Now. I think it's
interesting how they've handled it. They have never transferred, they've
been Now he's making six million NIL, so I think
(08:42):
the Mannings have because of Dad Eli Peyton, like they
get the game, they get the quarterback position right, like
just be a good sport, be a backup to quinn Ewers.
But you're a college football die hard and I think
I'm beyond the casual in college football? What do you
you make a year out a year ago today? Quinn
yours was a first round quarterback? Is Arch Manning? Is
(09:06):
the Manning name a bigger part of this than the talent?
What do you see with him?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, well we just have He hasn't played a ton
of football yet. I mean, when he's played the football,
there's obviously signs that he can mature in to something
that's that's special. I think to think about this year
in college football, it's the year the quarterback. I mean,
there's like eight quarterbacks right the top of your head
that could go number one. Now, obviously they probably all
won't be the ninth quarterback who goes first overall. But
(09:33):
you look at you look at Arch, you look at
a club Nick and ness Meyer and all these guys,
and I'm missing obviously a bunch of names here. Like
there's gonna be so many quarterbacks this year. It's gonna
be sort of like an ice cream flavor, right, like
you pick your favorite one and it might be different
across different teams. Arch just has to play more. When
you see more consistent play, just hasn't played right. Yours
has been the starter. He's spots started. He's looked good
(09:55):
in those moments. But look, when you spots start, teams
don't have film on you. You know it's the fifth, sixth,
seventh game in a row you played, where teams start
figuring out. Okay, Well, when he rolls to his right,
he does this. When he looks left, he does that.
Here's the offensive that they've designed for him. What if
we take that away? What's next? So in the glimpses
we've seen, he looks like a very complete quarterback. Just
(10:15):
you see a full season. He'll get a full year
this year. A lot of people predict Texas back in
maybe a championship game, winning the SEC. Like he'll have
his moments this year, calling they have a hard schedule,
like they play at Ohio State and then have Georgia
as well. They might have Bama as well, like they're
they're gonna have an opportunity or he will have an
opportunity to play the better teams in the country to
(10:37):
show us whether or not he's good enough. Now, the
last thing I'll say here, the NFL draft, I think
has gone away from what do you show me on Saturdays?
And it's more what can you be on Sundays. So
we might think a quarterback here and there doesn't have
it in college, but teams look at his talent, his
arm talent, his his his maturity, his mental capacity, his
(10:59):
ability to to see things happen in real time, and say,
we want that guy on our team. The cost crushing
doesn't matter as much. So this'll be a fun year.
There's so many quarterbacks this season. There could be seven
to eight guys in the top two days.
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Speaker 1 (11:21):
Jess Schwartz, I want to leave you with this, and
I said this last year. I got some pushback. I
said it last week, is that people are hyperventilating. The
first thing the WNBA did is they just didn't understand
how popular Caitlin Clark was. I mean again, with Taylor Swift,
you got ten years off your ticket master to figure
(11:41):
out how popular she was. Sometimes you just don't know
how big of a star she is. So I'm not
going to crush the league for that. But it was
funny watching the foul over the weekend that got upgraded
to a flagrant, and I thought, God, the league doesn't
know how to efficiate this rivalry. Yet it's like nobody
quite knows how to handle it. What did you make
of this foul? The flagrant, the talk after, what did
(12:05):
you make of it?
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I like competitors that are fiery. I've said this for
many years now, like sports are emotional. It's okay if
in the motion of a sport, two grown adults yell
at each other and are angry. I've never had a
problem with it. I don't get the flagrant foul system
in basketball. I've never gotten it. That didn't look like
a flagrant to me. They sort of deem like anything extra,
(12:30):
non intentional that's a little bit hard. Is a flagrant foul?
The thing that's so fascinating to me. And I'm gonna
steal this from from Josh Pai because as he came
up with this with this term. In twenty twenty three,
when Colorado started three to zero, there were a lot
of people talking about Colorado and Dan Sanders that did
not talk about college trouble ever, and they said things
that were now a little bit different. And that's the
(12:52):
Dion Taxi said, right where it's people that don't really
cover the sport, don't they don't pick cants of the sport.
But now we're forced to talk about it because its
pop and they're on shows and they gotta say something.
It feels like right now we're like a w NBA
tax a Caitlyn Clark injuries tax where people are commenting
about the sport. A don't watch it. They don't watch
sports a lot, they don't understand sports. Like, to me, yeah,
(13:13):
it's a hard foul, it happens in sport. Injuries got upset,
she yelled at Clark, like that's that's what happens a
lot all the time, NBA, NFL, NHL. I mean you
watch NHL. Watch to h they fight like all the time.
They punch each other in the face, they get into
it after goalie gets hit. Like, so to me, that's
sports and there's nothing more or less than what happened
during that play. But everyone has to talk about it
(13:36):
because they want to talk about the poplar thing that
happened this weekend. So it's like it's a tax on
new fans having the time there was. I've seen stuff
where people said calling that she should not play against
a fever anymore injuries, Like, what are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (13:49):
It's just sports.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
They just they're passionate athletes who one one founder, one yelder,
Like that's it. It's nothing more than that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, basketball is not soccer. We don't swap animosities. Okay,
there's a history from high school, AAU college of the
pros where teams don't love each other. I mean it
was I covered UNLV and Duke. You remember this year
old enough to remember this. I covered U and LV
and Duke, and the coaches loved each other. But there
was a lot of good guy bad guy you know,
(14:17):
the guys in the desert, they're the bad guys. The
Duke kids are great, and there was a lot of animosity,
and in the end it was like it was great.
A lot of those players ended up liking each other
or playing with each other. And I think to Josh
Page is a smart guy. To his credit, there's a
lot of overreaction to what is just sports, that's all
it is.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's just sports, so one is and I think, by
the way, this is all great for the league. Like
I think they didn't realize what was coming the last
couple of years, but all this attention, more eyeballs. I've
never watched more WNBA, not not just Kaylyn Clark, like
all of it more often now, some of that as
a sports wagering, of course, but nonetheless like I've watched
(14:57):
more of it. I know you have, like we all have,
and it's good for me and they'll figure out sort of.
I think what the discourse should be when it comes
to these two.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Players, Jeff Schwartz has always Buddy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Thank you, Take care, Bud.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
And uh, how about j Mac?
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Now with the news, No, no, this is the headline news.
All right, let's get started with that Nuggets thunder series.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
It ended with a bit.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Of a thud.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Nikola Jokic got zero help from his boys on the
road and they got smashed. Interestingly, after the game, Colin
Nikola Jokic is talking to reporters and he was pretty
blunt about their chances next year with the same unit.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Do you feel like this team could still win a
championship as it's put together now?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
I mean, we didn't so love this. We can't if
we if we, if we could win it? So I
don't believe in those if if stuff, So we had
an opportunity, we didn't. We didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We didn't minute.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
So I think Kent the teams that has a longer rotation,
a longer Benshet's Dumondo who are winning Indiana was the
name we see so kind.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Denver is feeling a little old, a little brittle
and a little expensive. Jamal Murray plays himself in his
shape every year, like Aaron Gordon got banged up, and yeah,
I mean it's I would move Porter, I would consider
moving Murray. I thought Christian Brown played really well good. Yeah,
I mean I my take is Jokicchen, Aaron Gordon. I'm
(16:38):
riding with those two. And Christian Brown I think really
grew as a player. He's a bit, a bit stiff,
He's not as fluid as I like. But in the end,
I think Murray will probably come back because they have
so much like institutional knowledge of each other. Jokicchen Murray.
They've played together so many possessions. But I do think Jmax,
(17:00):
I think they feel a little old, a little brittle
and a little expensive.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah, no, you're you're spot on now. I do have
the salaries in front of him. Jokich is locked in
for a while. Murray is locked in.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
They're not going anywhere. The issue was Porter. You said
I would move off Quorter. They owe him.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Two years seventy eight million dollars. Yeah, that's pricing. He
was basically playing with one arm in the series. I
think he averaged nine points. Colin a shell of himself.
Maybe he gets healthy. If you want to move him,
I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to attach a number
one pick to it.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Like nobody's taken quarter. Unless you're giving me something else.
Then they got the Zeke Nausey deal. He was a
horrible move by the GM.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
They have no bench Colin, like Yoki is saying it,
this is unsustainable. We can't run it back. So you
either got to play the young.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
Guys and take your.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Medicine and lose a bunch of games, or attach first
round picks to get off quarter.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
This is not gonna be helpful for Nuggets fans, but
the future.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Is very ugly's let's be honest. Look how valuable Russell
Westbrook was in the playoffs? Why because he give you
great energy? When you watched Denver this year in the playoffs,
did you not think this more than once? They look
gassed well against a click you know, well, I mean
I thought they looked gashed against Okay, see, that's why
Westbrook's energy was so violent. Everybody all of a sudden,
(18:17):
myself included, were like, oh god, Westbrook's valuable on this
old team that's banged up. He was really valuable. They
got to get younger and they have to get deeper.
I don't think there's any question.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
So the Westbrook has a player option, do you think
he picks it up and stays in Denver or does
he leave and say I can make more than three
and a half million.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
Dollars somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I think I think he stays there, and I think
they need him. I think he's good energy for them.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
Well, agree to disagree on that. Let's move on to
the Knicks.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Colin very excited for this series against the Pacers. So
Game one is Wednesday, Nix will have had a lot
of free time to rest up to get in price
for Game one seven hundred and three dollars at MSD
and that's for like nosebleed upper deck, worst seats in
the building.
Speaker 7 (19:03):
Comparatively, Game one of the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Okay, see one hundred and sixty dollars is like different
people in New York are very fired up. You saw
the scenes from Seventh Avenue on Friday.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
It was a party.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did you see the video of Timothy shallow May, my guy,
the actor. He was like in a car in the
middle of the street, comes out the window.
Speaker 7 (19:22):
People are acting like he was like the president of
the United States. It was awesome.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah. Well, I mean there's also a lot of money
in New York. I mean, let's just let's not get
ourselves here. It's going to be I do think in
terms of big picture, I think the next will carry
a lot of I think the I think the arena.
I think New York feels just it feels different. It's
like for years and years you'd watched the Big East
Tournament in Madison Square Garden, and it didn't matter that
(19:47):
the ACC may have been better on certain years or
the Big Twelve. It was like the Big East Tournament
felt bigger in New York. Louis Carnisaki against John Thompson
or whoever. It was like. So, I just think I
think New York basketball jumps through the TV. So I
think they'll get pretty good numbers. I don't think OKAC
Minnesota will do terribly well. But I think if you're
(20:09):
a basketball head, I think you'll like it.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
So if the Knicks make the finals, come all, we
could throw out all though, hey we need to change
the three point line and the league is too boring.
Too many old starts just get the next to the finals.
That makes me wonder are they going to get a
favorable whistle or do you not want to delve into conspiracy?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, I think two days before I think the most fascinating.
Remember people predicted years ago that when Utah played Michael Jordan's.
People thought it was going to be terrible ratings because
of small market Utah. But because Utah was built to
stop Michael and they had, it actually ended up being
a great finals. It got huge to this day, it
(20:49):
maybe one of the I think it's the highest reted
final average.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
And that was like nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I don't even know that the streaming existed, like, come on,
that was a different era.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
No, it was the story some televisions about stories. The
Subway series got a terrible world series. Nobody outside of
New York care Utah was a good story. Small market
Utah against Michael Jordan and the Flu game became a
great story. Oklahoma City the small market and New York
(21:20):
the deepest roster and a team that plays five guys.
That is a great story.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
So if you gave Adam Silver truth theorem, do you
think you would want Nick Thunder or Nick Anthony Edwards?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Well, I think Aunt is in New York performing. But
to me sports has always been Caplin Clark. Is she
as good as Cheryl Miller. She's a great story, Midwest girl,
non traditional power, the Next Step, Curry like some of
it's aesthetic, some of its story, and I think Denver,
(21:53):
by the way I liked him, that Denver wasn't a
fascinating story. Their star was a second round pick. I
think the Knicks will carry the day. And you know,
I think Knicks okay See is great, but ant in
the finals probably is a better marquee and against the
Knicks is probably Again I'm saying story is probably the
(22:16):
better story.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Final story, Colin is to the NFL where we have one, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Two NFL quarterback competitions and the Cleveland Browns is front
and center. Currently, Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett are the veterans,
and you've got the young kids, Dylan Gabriel and Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
With OTA set to begin next week, there.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Are early reports out of Cleveland Wait for It, Colin
that Kenny Pickett is the front runner for the Cleveland
Brown job.
Speaker 7 (22:43):
As Colin, if you can't see him on TV, he
is definitely making a face. He doesn't like to hear that.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Kenny Pickett apparently will get the bulk of the first
team reps and he's going to be given an.
Speaker 7 (22:53):
Opportunity to win the job.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, and that's fine, but he is not as good
as Flacco, and he is not as good as Shaduur,
So that's fine. You couldn't give whoever you want. You know,
they they may be looking to move people and they're
not gonna carry They're probably gonna carry two quarterbacks, not
four or five. So if you want to give him reps,
can you Picktt? Probably nice kid, you know, he went
to Philadelphia, was a backup, probably as a market as
(23:16):
a backup. But I think Jeff Schwartz nailed it. Once
you get into real camp, how are you gonna give
these guys snaps? Dylan Gabriel and Shaduur needs snaps. I
wouldn't have a problem. If the organization just went Shaudure
one Dylan Gabriel two, I have no problem. Just go
two rookie quarterbacks want a clear backup one clearly bigger,
(23:38):
better arm, better player.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
Okay, so you wouldn't have a problem that Kevin Stefanski
is the coach.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
He drafted Dylan Gabriel, that was his guy two rounds
ahead of Shador.
Speaker 7 (23:50):
Do you really think he's gonna start scheduor.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I think Kevin Stefanski wants to win games. Whether you
like it or not, Chedur will pop after a very
short time as your best player. I really believe it.
I really believe that's not a that's not like PC.
Like I said this, I understood those who let him
drop to the middle second round like you just don't think.
(24:17):
But if there was no noise around, no noise, and
his dad wasn't famous, there was no noise, it's hard
for me to believe that he's not at least a
mid to a late second round pick. Dylan Gabriel to me,
was a fifth round pick who moved up.
Speaker 7 (24:31):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
So you think just a don tallon if you removed
the last thing I can see pether're not that many
teams needed a quarterback, and I can see people liking
Jackson Dart more than Shador.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I didn't, but I get it, like I can see
there was only about six teams that needed a quarterback.
And nobody's gonna fall in love with Shdor. He's not big,
he's not elusive. There's nothing there cam Ward, there are
things you watch his elusiveness, his arm strength, You're like,
there's wow. There's no wow to Jackson Dart. There's no
wow to Chaduur. I think they're both second round quarterbacks.
(25:05):
Probably I would take Chadur late first and be okay
with it. Jackson Dart I thought was a reach, Dylan
Gabriel a reach. I thought the kid from Louisville who's
forty five years old, I thought he was a reach.
But I think should I think you're kidding yourself if
you think Schador is a fit round. But he's a
better prospect.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Than that Dylan Gabriel. What round you think he would
have been.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think he's a fifth round quarterback. I think he's
a career backup. That's fine, he's a good career back.
J Mack with a news, Well, that's the news and
thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
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Speaker 1 (25:39):
News Sam Amix stopped by from the Athletic Jeff Schwartz.
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Speaker 1 (26:54):
Welcome back to the uh Was this time? Was it?
Last week of the week before that the sports world
exploded with a Cooper flag apparently headed toward the Dallas Mavericks,
And I thought, you know, again, when you've been doing
what we've been doing for as long as we've been
(27:15):
doing it, there's just something about the NBA where anytime
there's a whiff of the conspiracy theory, it resurfaces. I
find it comical, like you'd want Zion going to the Pelicans,
like you'd want Cleveland winning multiple lotteries or Orlando winning
multiple lotteries. How come the Lakers aren't winning lotteries? You know?
(27:38):
I mean, this league, like every industry, you just have
certain general managers who were smarter. Danny Ainge has worked
a lot of GMS, Brad Stevens, Sam Presty, there's bad gms,
there's bad pilots. Some guys can land on the Hudson,
some guys you don't trust landing at Lax. Like the
reality of the NBA. I just the idea that you
(28:00):
would have picked Dallas. My take is if San Antonio
would have won it and you get three straight potential
rookies of the Year, that would feel like, oh, that
was a gift to Greg Popovich. I never even thought
for a second. I mean, there's not one part of
me that thought the NBA wanted to reward Nico Harrison,
(28:21):
like why he made a bad deal. If anything, it
was a bad light on the NBA. Well, Luca ended
up in Los Angeles. Well, Luca had just been to
a finals in Dallas. The Lakers are always okay, They're
always fine. So here was Jason Kidd, by the way,
on the Dallas MAVs podcast about the upcoming draft. Who
you drafted on June twenty fifth.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
We love that kid from Duke. Been studying him a
little bit, and so that's the answer. That's the real answer.
I mean, this draft is really talented. You have some
young men at the University of Rutgers, and so it's exciting,
but right now I'm studying the young man that used
(29:05):
to play at Duke.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, and I think it's interesting for Dallas. They've had
Dirk and they've had Luca. This would be their first
major even Nash was from Canada, their first major domestic star.
I think it plays well. Yeah, I think, you know,
it's just there's something about the NBA. And maybe it's
because if you you know, there's always been this sense
that if you get the star, you know you're golden, Like, oh,
(29:31):
the Knick's got Patrick Ewing. Well, it's okay if New
York occasionally wins a lottery. If you really look at
the lottery odds, what they've done, they've made it into
a raffle. It's just nobody has an advantage. What they
don't want is tanking working. So the teams with the
worst record, I think it's three years in a row.
This year it was Utah, they end up with a
fifth pick and that's what they wanted. So they've engineered it.
(29:55):
They have fixed it so that the teams that are
absolute awful in case they are tanking don't get the
number one pick, so they get good picks. They don't
get the great pick. So it's got a very much
a raffle feel to it. But I can remember people
really believe this. I remember, I'll tell you conspiracy theory.
I covered U and LV for years when they lost.
(30:17):
So they won the national championship the year before they
had crushed it was in Denver. I was there. They
crushed Duke. Duke had Bobby Hurley. I think Bobby Hurley
got sick stomach flew during it. And a la Abdul
Nabby was on that team and Larry Johnson and Stacey
Augman and Greg Anthony and Anderson Hunt and Moses Scurry
(30:38):
and David Butler and they rolled Duke. So they come
back the next year as an overwhelming favorite and they
lose to Duke, and people are like, oh, somebody was
out gambling that this can't this is not this has
to be thrown Well, No, Grant Hill was not on
that team in Denver. Grant Hill, the high school basketball
(30:59):
player of the year. Grant Hill was on the next
Duke team that played Latner Bobby Hurley. Grant Hill, Grant
Harrel was a spectacular, spectacular college basketball player even as
a freshman in Duke. And also it was hard for
you and LV. They had just thrashed this team to
try to make them believe this Duke team was going
to beat them. I was at that game as well.
(31:21):
Right out of the tip Duke got an alleyut slam dunk.
I think it may have been to Grant Hill. And
I was there for that game. And late in the game,
Greg Anthony got into foul trouble and UNLV is a
heavy favorite. Tark was never a great like late game
coach because he was in so many blowouts in those
weaker Western conferences he was in, And so it got
(31:42):
to be a close game. Shayshevsky was kind of working him.
Greg Anthony was hurt, Anderson Hunt really wasn't a true
point guard though he was small and should have been.
And Grant Hill was exploding on the scene. So it's
just and and by the way, there have been sports.
Have tennis matches years ago been thrown? Yes, was the
mob infiltrating some college basketball Henry Hill. Absolutely, Tim donneghy
(32:07):
situation was real. But when you get into this NBA
is rigged thing, folks. I told somebody the other day
I was having a cigar to play. He goes to
the NBA, and I said, listen, things get rigged. When
somebody's not getting taken care of, things get rigged.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I said.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Everybody's getting rich in the NBA, the commissioner, the owners,
the players, the coaches, the role players. Everybody's getting rich.
You have scrupulous people, and you have fixes in when
somebody's not making money. The mob to college basketball. College
(32:48):
basketball players are starving in a college campus, not making money.
They're easy targets, right, like everybody in the NBA is
getting theirs. So you know, there's just not there'd be
no reason to fix anything, right, especially after the eleven year,
seventy six billion dollar contract, when you can find somebody
(33:11):
that's kind of getting ripped off. That's why I always
said college basketball, that's a sport you could infiltrate. You
have three hundred and sixty Division one programs, half of
them never get on TV regularly. Nobody's watching the game,
and college players, until like four years ago with the
NIL weren't making anything. That's something that could get fixed.
The NBA people are making out too much money. Even
(33:33):
in the seventies and eighties when Michael was around. In
the eighties and nineties, you were splitting pies. Michael didn't
have a huge contract. Magic was making a million a year.
Role players now making twenty million bucks a year. All right,
we'll see you tomorrow. First things first is right around
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