July 17, 2025 • 31 mins
More on the possible future of LeBron James, the Lakers, NBA rumors, and more
Discussing Nick Saban's possible jump to the NFL
Guest: Dan Woike
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
So a lot of clarity.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're gonna get to Caitlin Clark in a second. Urban
Meyer making news on Nick Saban today. But first I
want to bring in Dan Woike right from the athletic
and covers the Lakers, because I have said this time
of the year, breadcrumbs and rumors become headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I don't Lebron's got to no trade clause. I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I think he's a really good player, and if you're
gonna move him now, it's not the time you've upgraded
at center JJ Reddick second year. So let's start with this.
There's been a lot of rumors. Everybody's got an opinion.
It's July. Do you think the new ownership group is
even had a discussion on moving Lebron Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I don't because it's not their decision, right Colin I mean,
you mentioned in the previous segment, Lebron James a is a
no trade clause, and so the order of operations here
would have to be a request from Lebron James. I
don't believe the Lakers are going to come to Lebron
James with a trade and say, this is what we want,
(01:33):
will you accept it?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think it would have to be the other way around.
I mean, I think the Lakers are very comfortable, you know,
being in this stage of the Lebron James business, despite
sort of the inherent uncomfortabilities of it, the fact that
you don't know with any certainty how much longer he's
going to be able to play at this level, and
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the pressure, particularly the win now pressure that his presence
has put on the organization since really the day he
signed for this last chapter of his career and has
just gone on and on and on. So that's kind
of I really don't think it's ownership thing. I think
it's sort of, you know, he still kind of controls
his destiny in that way. The leverage that the Lakers
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have and all this is that they were the team
with the option, you know, he had opted to their
contract at fifty four million dollars, and I think that
to me, he's on the Lakers. He is moving like
a person who is on the Lakers. Could that change?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Could Trading him can be really, really difficult with the
second Apron rolls, a buyout to me doesn't really seem
like the type of thing that he would pursue, kind
of the antithesis of how he's operated. So Eve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
How confident are they in the Luca extension? Again, the
new Aprons can be punitive. He has lost weight. I
mean the pictures of him now, so he's lost forty pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
When would that happen? How certain are you it's going
to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's going to be early August. I'm here, he's extension
alogical August. Second, I think they're really confident Colin. I
think they've they've been in contact with him early in
the summer about their plans for the organization. I think
when they made the deal to get him, I think
they were confident that they would be able to secure
sort of him in the long term. And you know, look,
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there are things about Los Angeles. It's not like, you know,
nobody likes the traffic here and stuff like this. But
the one thing that we know about Lukaanacic is he
loves well, two things we know abou him. One he
loves a big stage, and it's a huge stage. What's
what's the bigger stage, right than playing at Crypto dot
com in front of those stars. And I think the
second part of it is like, this is like a
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guy that doesn't like necessarily love being famous, right, And
you might think Los Angeles, well, it's it's full of
famous people. You can move pretty anonymously as a famous
person in Los ange should you choose because there's always
someone else famous in your circles and stuff like that.
So I think he's really comfortable there. I'm pretty sure
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the Lakers are gonna be able to secure an extension.
It's just kind of a matter for how long.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I said the DeAndre Ayton thing. He's not a willing defender,
it's not a great defensive roster. But I did say
it's a Dodgers town now as much as a Laker town.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There are stars everywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It could be Lincoln Riley, it can be McVeigh, Stafford Harball,
Herbert la Is different. People move off to you if
you're not interesting. DeAndre Ayton Luca Lebron, It sounds interesting,
and I mean when they made the move, my take was,
you know, he always tends to think he's a better
(04:47):
He thinks he's a one. He's more of a three
in terms of options. He may be a four with
Austin Reeves on this roster. How does he fit to you?
Because he's not a great defender, but he is a
pretty talented offensive player.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, I think on paper it's a pretty good fit.
I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, you would rather
have Anthony Davis like that kind of a defender at
the back line of this type of defense. But look,
this was a pretty good Laker team in terms of
record last year after the Luca trade, when they were
just trying to figure out how to figure out how
to play together, and you know, in the playoffs, you know,
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they pretty quickly moved off at Jackson as they didn't
really have depth at that position. They kind of just
went centerless. Yander Ayton at his worst is a productive
seven footer who's a double double machine if he's motivated
at his best, like he was you know in Phoenix
running pick and roll with Chris Paul he's way more
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athletic than I think people realize. He's young, twenty six
years old, and he's inexpensive. You know, Laker, they're paying
eight million dollars for this contract. I think it's a
really good fit and maintained some future flexibility. It's a
really good opportunity for him, Colin, you know, to to
kind of carve out whatever this next chapter of his
career is going to be. Because he's super gifted offensively,
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he's credible defensively, right Like, he's not a stopper, but
you know, I think if he accepts a role, you know,
and if he plays with with some motor, I think
there's a real opportunity here from a big season, and
I think people around the league feel that dude, Now
those are big questions for him, but certainly a talent player.
I think the consensus I got at summerly in Vegas
(06:28):
was based on the options that were available at Lakers
Doandre eight by far was their their preference and by
far was the best that they felt like they could do.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, everybody's talking big swings.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
If I said the Lakers Dan Dan Woike joining us,
the Lakers make a move of the trade deadline, Give
me a move that's not a huge swing but makes
them better. Is there is there? Because we always spend
so much time talking about major moves, it's hard with
the Apron, it's hard to make big moves. But I
do think there could be a player that would upgrade
them defensively work with Lebron. Is there anything else out
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there we should keep our eye on?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean they're looking for defenders, right I think
that is pretty clearly. I mean they're not done this
summer on that front, So I think, to me, that
would be the place that I would look. I would
also say, like, good luck on the search. Everybody's looking
for perimeter defense, particularly perimeter defense I can shoot, so's
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it's going to be a crowded marketplace. I think obviously,
like internal growth is always the path of least resistance
on that front. But that's for my eyes would be
it's hard to really pinpoint a player right now and
say like this is the guy I think you know
a player they're monitoring here As the offseason kind of hits,
this next wave is that you know what happens with
like Washington and Marcus Smart?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Does he get bought out?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is he available, That's the guy they like, and I
think would give them a little toughness, some grit, you know,
obviously has to be healthy, but gives them a little
bit more of a defensive entity to that second unit.
I think that's gonna be where they're focused now. We'll see, though,
this is still a team that is like a little
cash for when it comes to their draft assets and
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what they have to put into to trades most of
their tradable players. Colin, when we talked about the trade deadline,
you know, everybody loves a good Austin Reeves trade. You
and I've had a what like some more like ninety
minutes of conversations about those. Here, you know he's going
to be If you're trading for him at the trade deadline,
you're trading for him for two months because you know
we'll be entering unrestricted free agency. Ruy Hachimura an restricted
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free agent at the end of the season. That depresses
some value. They've got one draft pick that they can
put in a play right now. If they hang on
to it come draft night next year, they can trade
three and take an even bigger swing. So I'm not
sure there's a huge move to be made for them
on that front, but I think wing defender absolutely an
area of need and it's what they have to still address.
(08:55):
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Speaker 1 (09:32):
Dan Hoik The Athletic, Little Update, Little Clarity. Appreciate it, Buden,
Thanks for having me Colm. You bet you know I
was thinking as we were talking to Dan there about
another basketball If you've not heard, Caitlin Clark will not
compete in the All Star festivities in Indiana where she plays,
so they set this thing up to WNBA for her
(09:52):
to be the start of the weekend and she can't
play because she's been mugged and grabbed and pushed and
prodded and knocked to the floor. The officiating in the
league has not been up to stuff. But it's it's
really interesting. It's a well, let's go to Jmack with
the news and discuss it more.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, No, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, it is the first story Colin Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
It's she just announced she's not gonna be playing in
the All Star Game or participating in the three point Contest, which.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Stinks because the game is in her own arena.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
She will, however, she put on her ig that she
will be in the arena.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
She'll be helping the coach. She's gonna soak it all up.
But man, this is a big blow to the.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
League, losing its marquee starr H this weekend in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, you know, it's I was thinking about this. It's
a little like when somebody wins the lottery and there
there's this rapid change in the circumstances in their life,
and a lot of lottery winners like there's a high
percentage they go broke.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They just the w NBA. She's a lot of ticket
and they just didn't know how to.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
React, and it was just it's they've just I feel
like the WNBA has been playing catch up with Caitlin Clark.
They've just been reacting to her popularity. And and in fairness,
you know, Taylor Swift was a star before the ear
Is Tour. So even though it was the highest grossing
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tour of all time, you knew it was popular.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're like, this girl is a star. Now it's sold
out seven straight nights so far.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's like, okay, that's only a billion dollars in one city.
But I think a lot of times, who is really
ready for sudden, rapid, massive change.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't think golf was quite ready for the popularity
of Tiger. I do think because Magic and Bird were
in the NBA first, David Stern was ready for Michael Jordan.
Like they had, you know, Gatorade and and all these
shoes and Nike and they were all kind of lined up.
Magic and Bird gave the NBA sort of a glimpse
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of Wow, these college stars get popular fast.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Michael made this for it global.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But I always felt the late David Stern and Nike
and gatorayd and all these the shoe companies were getting
very involved. But this is like Jordan to the NBA
with no magic or bird or doctor j and you're like, oh,
people love us. So I just don't think they're quite
ready for it. And I think I think one of
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the things they have to clean up is they're officiating.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They have to clean it up.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I know it's not gonna come off right, but I
mean I would check out the All Star.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Game if Caitlin Cluck were in it. I would watch.
She's different than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Shooting thirty foot threes, making these cross court passes.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
She's just a wizard with the basketball. And I know
this is gonna sound bad.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
I don't really have any interest in watching the game
if she's not in it.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And that's not a slight on the other players, but like,
I can find other stuff to.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Do with my time, then watch you know the WNBA,
Like I mean, Katelin Clark is why I'm tuning in.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, yeah, I mean the NBA lost fifty percent of
its viewers. Think about that fifty percent when Michael Jordan retired.
So that's why stars make the big bucks. I mean,
I mean, what are the Kansas City Chiefs worth today
and what were they worth seven years ago?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They're worth now nine billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
They were probably a billion when Mahomes got there, a
billion and a half.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
That's a great point. So let's say Mahomes is injured
and not gonna play on Monday Night Football, and whoever.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
The backup is, I'm not gonna check it out.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I might gamble, but it's the bet and forget it.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
I'm gonna bet, and then I'm gonna go, like hang
with my family, maybe go bowling me whatever I can
do in golf.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Rory McElroy, I mean, I like the British Open, but
he will singularly yes, if he is in the running Sunday,
I'm watching every shot Sunday of the British.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If he's not, i'll watch it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But if I have lunch, I want to get a
work in, I'll watch it on you know, I'll watch
it on Fubo at the gym, like like it's that's why.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The stars make the big money. I certain people get
me to a TV.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The Sopranos and Tiger Woods changed my Sunday viewing habits
for years.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's a good point.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
And reality is, you know, I asked my kids this colin,
what's our most important resource that we have? And the
answers time, Yeah, And people just don't understand that, Like,
you know, once you get kids in your you know,
establish a family. I got a dog, I gotta walk
like I have responsibilities. I don't have time to watch
something that I don't really care about. I mean, that's
just the reality of it. And without Kaitlin Clark, without
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Tiger Woods, there's just some things that I'm not I
just don't care about as much. So again, not a
slight to the league, but there's a big loss of
Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's go to the.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
NBA colin where interestingly, Joel Embiid recently did a sit
down profile on his career and he hasn't given a
lot of these, but he really opened up and he
actually talked about James Harden. And I didn't know this,
but according to Joel Embiid, James Harden is not talking
to me. That's the part I don't like about being
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the guy because if you ask James, he probably believes
that I had something.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
To do with him not being there.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So remember James Harden was in Philly for like five
minutes and then he wasn't and it's Joel Embiid almost
seems end Listen. I know he's had an injury history
and we don't really love him on the show as
a player, but he almost feels wounded by the fact
that James Arden doesn't talk to him.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
It was kind of eye opening stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I suggest checking out the article because.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Remember these two when they had to pick and roll
in Philly.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
It's like, oh, this is a contender, and now Harden
won't even talk to him.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
They ran Ben Simmons, Jimmy Butler, James Harden. I mean
it's not like MB didn't have an aggressive front office.
They gave him multiple coaches. It's that that whole Embid
story is on MB. Remember at the Olympics when they
weren't they couldn't. He didn't fit.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I always said this about him.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
He's too often on the perimeter, Like Yannis knows he
can't shoot, so he didn't spend any time wasting time
in the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Didn't get anybody's way.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think Embiid has had some shock qualities early, but
injuries and his style of play. To me, I have
always thought he's an he's just He's a great player.
He'll be a Hall of Famer. But I've always thought
he's over valued. I don't think he's half. I don't
think he's close to Jokic. Jokis is a better shooter,
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a better passer, he's healthier, he elevates every single Everybody
works with Jokic, almost nobody works with MB. Well.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I'll say this Embiid.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I think two years ago was the MVP, and the
problem was he pushed so hard for it Colin that
his body broke down. Re memory was he was averaging
like thirty some odd points of games. He has not
been the same since he got the MVP, and I
would go and predict that he, he and Derek Rose
are going to be the only NBA MVPs to never
make the NBA finals because I don't cemb get into finals. Now,
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the Sixers, they're one of my sneaky teams this year.
They got a lot of dudes, your boy MAXI. We'll
see about Paul George. I like McCain, I like their
pick Edgecumbe. They got some guys. I don't know if
their finals worthy, but the East is down. Just keep
an eye on Philly. Final story is to college football.
Now this is I don't want you to get too
worked up about this column, but the Athletic has put
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out their list of top ten quarterbacks for the college
football season, and arch Manning checked in at ten. I'm
stunned some of them. Josh Hoover is ninth. I'm not
familiar with his work. I've seen John and Mattier at Oklahoma.
I can't believe he's listed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Better than artists on the screen.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So arch Manning has only played a couple of games,
so I don't have a problem with this zero stirst
of all. I like meus Meyer and I like cade Klubnick.
Drew Aller I think is more talented, so I think
he's low. I think Sam Levitt at Arizona State, keep
your eye on Sam Levitt's as a gamer.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
As a college guy, as a pro. You think he's
got major proucts.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I think he's pretty I don't have a problem with
the first shoot picks. I think Drew Aller should be
somewhere in the top three.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
This kid Sellers is good. He's the guy that intrigues
me for next year's draft. He's kind of a multi
talented quarterback. Not quite Jalen Hurts, but he's he's very nimble.
I got to ask this Nussmeyer stuff, Colin. You watched
him last year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, I haven't seen it. I think he's good. People
like it. I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think he and Club Nick are pretty good prospects
B prospects. I think Drew Aller, if he makes another leap,
he becomes an a prospect.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Well, Aller is your six' five strapping. Quarterback that's Not Club,
Nick that's Not. Nutsmeyer not.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right my guess by the end of the, season the
top two prospects will Be Arch.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Manning And Drew.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Aller, yeah and THEN i, think and THEN i think
Nuss meyer will be. Third Club nick will be. Fourth
The norris kid who's more athlete than pocket. Guy at this,
point just wait and watch him. Play people like him a.
Lot didn't see a Time i've seen him. Play BUT
i think that's your top five or. SIX i Think
Sam levitt's a little bit of a dark.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Horse BUT i.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Lied WHEN i watch now, Again Arizona state shocked the.
World he was really good the first time he got
on the. Field so he's Been he's been really, good very.
Quickly by the, way.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Arch manning and we'll talk about this a.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Lot his first start in college football is At Ohio.
STATE i, Know august. Thirtieth did we do guess the
line on this yet or?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
No where's the game At Ohio? State?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
YEAH i would, say Oh Ohio state's favored by one
and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
One and a.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Half, no it opened at four and a half and
it's down to. Three ohio's date favored by a field
goal by Day.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Texas what all, Right.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well we'll go ahead to. Head that game is On.
Fox you like arch man to go Into Ohio state and?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Win, Yeah WELL i Saw Jim harbaugh AND jj McCarthy do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It why Can't Arch?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Manning and that was at the end of the. Season
this Is art's first. Start i'm gonna an entire summer
to prepare for Arch.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Manning i'm gonna Take i'm gonna take the. Points it's
a great, game a great.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Game Albert brier's watching this right, now so upset with.
You i'll be on The buckeyes in that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
ONE i, mean, listen it's gonna be like The Oregon
Ohio state game last.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Year it's gonna be. Great it's gonna. Be it's just gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
BE i think there's gonna be a lot of points
and a lot of big.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Plays you got a lot of cloud at this.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Network why don't you throw your weight around and get
us to that. Game come, on, Buddy i'll. Listen that's
a great way to start the college football.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Season it's a great. Game it. Is, Yeah, No i'm
that's that's about as good a game as college football
is gonna. Have In September. OCTOBER J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping By
The Herdline.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
NEWS a lot of news happening At fox, today including
What Urban meyer said About Nick.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Saban, next.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
App Good Show, Today Urban, Meyer Dan, woiki good stuff.
Today we Started albert BURN i started talking about. Yesterday
we Brought Urban meyer on today And urban And belichick
have always been very close With Nick saban AND i
had said this. Week the genesis of all this discussion
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happened a couple of days ago WHEN i saw a
story That greg, McElroy very popular FORMER bama quarterback who's
well connected To, bama said he's hearing That saban wouldn't
mind coaching. Again in my take is he's not going
to coach in college because you can buy out coaches
like you used to with THE. Nil you, know these
coaches now make the good ones eight to ten to
twelve million dollars a. Year so three or four years
(22:07):
left is thirty forty. MILLION nil is costing eighteen million a.
Year saban would cost just sixty. Eighty like outside Of,
texas nobody has that kind of. Money maybe the billionaire
At Texas. Tech But saban's not going To Texas. Tech,
Please it's not going to The big. Twelve but SO i.
SPECULATED i think he's a very aspirational driven. GUY i,
think Like Pete, carrelly plays much younger than his, age
(22:30):
AND i think he's going to take phone calls from
THE nfl And Albert. Breer, first let's start With Urban,
meyer who's friends With saban on the idea of THE.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
NFL i have not.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Talked to him about. THIS i could guess BECAUSE i
know him fairly well and competed against, him that it's
not a little. Scratch it's probably a pretty big scratch.
That that's the one area that he is not you,
know you, know, he like you, said he's get things
going On. MIAMI i actually visited him when he was down.
There BUT i don't think he'd go back to. COLLEGE
(23:01):
i don't see that. FIT i would say very little
to no chance he would get involved in. College BUT
i think he would take phone calls from THE.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nfl, yeah and, well remember we get about seven openings
a year and coordinators hit at about a thirty to
forty percent. Clip SO i mean even, again so college
coaches are not going to take THOSE nfl. Jobs Brian
kelly sniffed around years. AGO nfl wasn't. Interested tell Me Lincoln, RILEY,
nfl nobody's. Interested so tell me the college coaches that
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would TAKE nfl.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Jobs Ryan day, maybe BUT i.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Think he Likes Ohio. State tell me the college guys
that would take an. Opening there's. None davosweeney's totally a college.
Guy Marcus freeman maybe At Notre, dame BUT i think
he Loves Notre.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
DAME i think he loves young. Families he wants to
stay in.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
College so there's nobody coming out of college as THAT
i can think of top of my. HEAD i could
have said a couple of years. Ago now we all
Knew horball was. Interested that was pretty. Obvious but so and,
then and and then tell me all the hot. Coordinators Ben,
johnson he took a.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Job Cliff.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Kingsbury most of my people don't see him as AN
nfl head. Coach he doesn't hold players. Accountable good coach,
though So. Kingsbury the ship has. Sailed so show me
all the hot coordinators who are. Takeing give me seven.
Openings somebody's Calling Nick. SABAN i Think, cleveland you have
to pay attention To Jimmy, Haslam Big Tennessee booster loves the,
(24:28):
sec loves, stars Drafted Baker, manzell Acquired Deshaun, watson loves star.
POWER i think he Likes Kevin, stefanski but he'd move
him out of the way for A saban and he'd
HAVE saban control. Personnel Andrew berry would probably you, know
say no, thanks so that. One AND i Think. DALLAS
i Think Albert breer came. On we talked about The,
(24:49):
cowboys And Nick, SABAN i think IT'S i think That
schottenneimer thing is going to go sideways By.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
October Here's.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Albert the one thing About dallas that people misunderstand, is,
Yes jerry's involved in, football but the coach is involved
in scouting. Too like the coach is involved in putting
the team, together and that's always been the way that
it's been run. There and in that, like they've got
a really good personnel. Department will McLay does a great,
job but they've always involved the coach and how the
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team is put. Together If jerry was going to do,
this part of it would be are you willing to
take a back seat and move away from the spotlight
for a little bit to see If Nick saban can
come and do?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It, YEAH i Mean Jerry jones is eighty, two SO
i think it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Plays.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Listen If greg McElroy has heard this and he is
totally connected To, bama that means somebody in The alabama,
administration that's my guess where the source comes, from has
talked To, nick And nick's either, bored.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You, know doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
DOESN'T i, MEAN i think he does a great job ON,
tv but there's a lot of voices on the show he's,
on AND i THINK tv Board Bill, parcells who tried
it a couple of. TIMES i think it Bored Bill.
WALSH i don't think it's for, everybody AND i do
think it goes back to What urban, said you have
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to go back and look. Up first of, all he
coached on That belichick staff In, cleveland And belichick's one
of his closest, friends SO i guarantee you he would
Call bill in a heartbeat asking. Questions But saban really
pivoted At. Alabama he Went nick did something that was really.
Impressive And i've touched on this. Before Lane kiffin has
talked about, this and it was in A New York
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times article years ago that When saban was all defense
and when he got To bama he was a relentless.
Recruiter but those Early bama teams were all about linebackers
and pass rushers and dts and corners and. Safeties and
then as the game and the sport changed On Lane
kiffen and him sat. Down he really realized that the
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world was. Changing bama when he left was about wide,
receivers left tackles and. Quarterbacks That's belichick has struggled to.
Pivot saban has had no trouble. Pivoting AND i Think
saban deep down thinks he's a better coach Than. Belichick
but when you talk about all the time great, coaches
you don't bring Up Bear bryant Or Woody.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hayes you. Don't you don't bring Up Nick. Saban It's Andy.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Reid Bill, Walsh AND i don't Think saban would have
to go to THE nfl and Win Super. BOWLS i
think if he went and he went somewhere for five
years and made the playoffs four years and took the
mess known as The cowboys Or cleveland and Made cleveland
a big time. Team If cleveland has the number one
pick AND i Get saban and Arch manning and they
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start winning that division and getting to the, PLAYOFFS i
Mean saban's going to SAY i KNEW i could.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
COACH i don't think he ever would have gone To.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Bama if the team doctor for The dolphins would have
acquiesced and given Him Drew. BREES i don't think he
ever would have gone To. Bama but the team doctor,
Didn't So alabama should think the team. Doctor BUT i
think it has. Legs, yeah by the, way this is.
Interesting Natasha, cloud New york liberty player guard on the
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strained relationship between THE wnba players and. Refs we talked
about this earlier With Caitlin clark's, injuries Says Natasha. CLOUD
i work my blanking blank off all off season for
these four and a half months to try to win a,
championship AND i feel like the refs are having too
much blanking impact on the. Game Angel reese on the.
(28:37):
Officiating it has to be. FIXED i don't give a
damn IF i get fined because blankety blank is cheap
And i'm tired of this. Blank Kelsey, plumb who plays
for THE La sparks set In, JUNE i drive more
than anybody in the, league so to shoot six free
throws as effing. Absurd so the, players you don't HEAR
nba players bang on the refs like, this and THE
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wnba officiating is. Bad Sophie cunningham got knocked on her
backside a couple of nights, ago no. Call it was.
Brutal it was. Brutal So Caitlin clark is not going
to play this. Weekend so you Got Natasha, Cloud Angel
(29:21):
reese And Kelsey. Plum the officiating is. Horrible so AGAIN
i liken it to a lottery ticket. Winner when you
have a rapid change of. Circumstances you don't know how
to react to. It SO i have the lottery winners
go broke or something like, That AND i think this
league is just playing catch up To Caitlin. Clark they're
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reacting and the last part of the, change because the
players are starting to embrace. Her the last part of
the change is the. Officiating college. Officials women's college officials
make more THAN wnba. Officials that ain't. Right so it's
time for. Pensions it's time for big time officiating. Revenue
that the sport's getting too. BIG i, mean it'd be
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like having, Again it'd be like having a rock star
selling out and having a second tier, promoter like once
you get once you have a world class, band you
have to have a world class, marketing promoting and ticket sales.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Team so there you.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Go Or, colin we could just call it A Kansas
City chiefs playoff. Game the way the referees seem to
always favor The, chiefs especially In. Arrowhead Buffalo bills fans
are texting me about it right.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Now, refereeings it's. Tough it's tough to find the good, refs,
obviously when the seats are getting blasted in The Super.
Bowl nobody's talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Referees, WELL i will SAY i do believe THE nfl
should make officials more full. Time maybe not all of,
them but seventy five. Percent that's always been a. BONUS i,
mean we're moving to eighteen, games so between eighteen games
and playoffs and three preseason it's a full time.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Job are you sure we're going to Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah next year cheetz a second. Bye, so by the,
way what are the ending the Season?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
March what's going?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
On, Yeah i'm okay with. It we'll see you. Tomorrow
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So a lot of clarity.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're gonna get to Caitlin Clark in a second. Urban
Meyer making news on Nick Saban today. But first I
want to bring in Dan Woike right from the athletic
and covers the Lakers, because I have said this time
of the year, breadcrumbs and rumors become headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I don't Lebron's got to no trade clause. I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I think he's a really good player, and if you're
gonna move him now, it's not the time you've upgraded
at center JJ Reddick second year. So let's start with this.
There's been a lot of rumors. Everybody's got an opinion.
It's July. Do you think the new ownership group is
even had a discussion on moving Lebron Dan.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
I don't because it's not their decision, right Colin I mean,
you mentioned in the previous segment, Lebron James a is a
no trade clause, and so the order of operations here
would have to be a request from Lebron James. I
don't believe the Lakers are going to come to Lebron
James with a trade and say, this is what we want,
(01:33):
will you accept it?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I think it would have to be the other way around.
I mean, I think the Lakers are very comfortable, you know,
being in this stage of the Lebron James business, despite
sort of the inherent uncomfortabilities of it, the fact that
you don't know with any certainty how much longer he's
going to be able to play at this level, and
(01:54):
the pressure, particularly the win now pressure that his presence
has put on the organization since really the day he
signed for this last chapter of his career and has
just gone on and on and on. So that's kind
of I really don't think it's ownership thing. I think
it's sort of, you know, he still kind of controls
his destiny in that way. The leverage that the Lakers
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have and all this is that they were the team
with the option, you know, he had opted to their
contract at fifty four million dollars, and I think that
to me, he's on the Lakers. He is moving like
a person who is on the Lakers. Could that change?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
It?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Could Trading him can be really, really difficult with the
second Apron rolls, a buyout to me doesn't really seem
like the type of thing that he would pursue, kind
of the antithesis of how he's operated. So Eve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
How confident are they in the Luca extension? Again, the
new Aprons can be punitive. He has lost weight. I
mean the pictures of him now, so he's lost forty pounds.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
When would that happen? How certain are you it's going
to happen.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
It's going to be early August. I'm here, he's extension
alogical August. Second, I think they're really confident Colin. I
think they've they've been in contact with him early in
the summer about their plans for the organization. I think
when they made the deal to get him, I think
they were confident that they would be able to secure
sort of him in the long term. And you know, look,
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there are things about Los Angeles. It's not like, you know,
nobody likes the traffic here and stuff like this. But
the one thing that we know about Lukaanacic is he
loves well, two things we know abou him. One he
loves a big stage, and it's a huge stage. What's
what's the bigger stage, right than playing at Crypto dot
com in front of those stars. And I think the
second part of it is like, this is like a
(03:48):
guy that doesn't like necessarily love being famous, right, And
you might think Los Angeles, well, it's it's full of
famous people. You can move pretty anonymously as a famous
person in Los ange should you choose because there's always
someone else famous in your circles and stuff like that.
So I think he's really comfortable there. I'm pretty sure
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the Lakers are gonna be able to secure an extension.
It's just kind of a matter for how long.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I said the DeAndre Ayton thing. He's not a willing defender,
it's not a great defensive roster. But I did say
it's a Dodgers town now as much as a Laker town.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
There are stars everywhere.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It could be Lincoln Riley, it can be McVeigh, Stafford Harball,
Herbert la Is different. People move off to you if
you're not interesting. DeAndre Ayton Luca Lebron, It sounds interesting,
and I mean when they made the move, my take was,
you know, he always tends to think he's a better
(04:47):
He thinks he's a one. He's more of a three
in terms of options. He may be a four with
Austin Reeves on this roster. How does he fit to you?
Because he's not a great defender, but he is a
pretty talented offensive player.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, I think on paper it's a pretty good fit.
I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, you would rather
have Anthony Davis like that kind of a defender at
the back line of this type of defense. But look,
this was a pretty good Laker team in terms of
record last year after the Luca trade, when they were
just trying to figure out how to figure out how
to play together, and you know, in the playoffs, you know,
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they pretty quickly moved off at Jackson as they didn't
really have depth at that position. They kind of just
went centerless. Yander Ayton at his worst is a productive
seven footer who's a double double machine if he's motivated
at his best, like he was you know in Phoenix
running pick and roll with Chris Paul he's way more
(05:44):
athletic than I think people realize. He's young, twenty six
years old, and he's inexpensive. You know, Laker, they're paying
eight million dollars for this contract. I think it's a
really good fit and maintained some future flexibility. It's a
really good opportunity for him, Colin, you know, to to
kind of carve out whatever this next chapter of his
career is going to be. Because he's super gifted offensively,
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he's credible defensively, right Like, he's not a stopper, but
you know, I think if he accepts a role, you know,
and if he plays with with some motor, I think
there's a real opportunity here from a big season, and
I think people around the league feel that dude, Now
those are big questions for him, but certainly a talent player.
I think the consensus I got at summerly in Vegas
(06:28):
was based on the options that were available at Lakers
Doandre eight by far was their their preference and by
far was the best that they felt like they could do.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, everybody's talking big swings.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
If I said the Lakers Dan Dan Woike joining us,
the Lakers make a move of the trade deadline, Give
me a move that's not a huge swing but makes
them better. Is there is there? Because we always spend
so much time talking about major moves, it's hard with
the Apron, it's hard to make big moves. But I
do think there could be a player that would upgrade
them defensively work with Lebron. Is there anything else out
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there we should keep our eye on?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean they're looking for defenders, right I think
that is pretty clearly. I mean they're not done this
summer on that front, So I think, to me, that
would be the place that I would look. I would
also say, like, good luck on the search. Everybody's looking
for perimeter defense, particularly perimeter defense I can shoot, so's
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it's going to be a crowded marketplace. I think obviously,
like internal growth is always the path of least resistance
on that front. But that's for my eyes would be
it's hard to really pinpoint a player right now and
say like this is the guy I think you know
a player they're monitoring here As the offseason kind of hits,
this next wave is that you know what happens with
like Washington and Marcus Smart?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Does he get bought out?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Is he available, That's the guy they like, and I
think would give them a little toughness, some grit, you know,
obviously has to be healthy, but gives them a little
bit more of a defensive entity to that second unit.
I think that's gonna be where they're focused now. We'll see, though,
this is still a team that is like a little
cash for when it comes to their draft assets and
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what they have to put into to trades most of
their tradable players. Colin, when we talked about the trade deadline,
you know, everybody loves a good Austin Reeves trade. You
and I've had a what like some more like ninety
minutes of conversations about those. Here, you know he's going
to be If you're trading for him at the trade deadline,
you're trading for him for two months because you know
we'll be entering unrestricted free agency. Ruy Hachimura an restricted
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free agent at the end of the season. That depresses
some value. They've got one draft pick that they can
put in a play right now. If they hang on
to it come draft night next year, they can trade
three and take an even bigger swing. So I'm not
sure there's a huge move to be made for them
on that front, but I think wing defender absolutely an
area of need and it's what they have to still address.
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Speaker 1 (09:32):
Dan Hoik The Athletic, Little Update, Little Clarity. Appreciate it, Buden,
Thanks for having me Colm. You bet you know I
was thinking as we were talking to Dan there about
another basketball If you've not heard, Caitlin Clark will not
compete in the All Star festivities in Indiana where she plays,
so they set this thing up to WNBA for her
(09:52):
to be the start of the weekend and she can't
play because she's been mugged and grabbed and pushed and
prodded and knocked to the floor. The officiating in the
league has not been up to stuff. But it's it's
really interesting. It's a well, let's go to Jmack with
the news and discuss it more.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, No, this is the herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Yeah, it is the first story Colin Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
It's she just announced she's not gonna be playing in
the All Star Game or participating in the three point Contest, which.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Stinks because the game is in her own arena.
Speaker 7 (10:30):
She will, however, she put on her ig that she
will be in the arena.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
She'll be helping the coach. She's gonna soak it all up.
But man, this is a big blow to the.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
League, losing its marquee starr H this weekend in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, you know, it's I was thinking about this. It's
a little like when somebody wins the lottery and there
there's this rapid change in the circumstances in their life,
and a lot of lottery winners like there's a high
percentage they go broke.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
They just the w NBA. She's a lot of ticket
and they just didn't know how to.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
React, and it was just it's they've just I feel
like the WNBA has been playing catch up with Caitlin Clark.
They've just been reacting to her popularity. And and in fairness,
you know, Taylor Swift was a star before the ear
Is Tour. So even though it was the highest grossing
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tour of all time, you knew it was popular.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're like, this girl is a star. Now it's sold
out seven straight nights so far.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's like, okay, that's only a billion dollars in one city.
But I think a lot of times, who is really
ready for sudden, rapid, massive change.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
And I just don't think.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't think golf was quite ready for the popularity
of Tiger. I do think because Magic and Bird were
in the NBA first, David Stern was ready for Michael Jordan.
Like they had, you know, Gatorade and and all these
shoes and Nike and they were all kind of lined up.
Magic and Bird gave the NBA sort of a glimpse
(12:07):
of Wow, these college stars get popular fast.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Michael made this for it global.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
But I always felt the late David Stern and Nike
and gatorayd and all these the shoe companies were getting
very involved. But this is like Jordan to the NBA
with no magic or bird or doctor j and you're like, oh,
people love us. So I just don't think they're quite
ready for it. And I think I think one of
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the things they have to clean up is they're officiating.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
They have to clean it up.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
I know it's not gonna come off right, but I
mean I would check out the All Star.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
Game if Caitlin Cluck were in it. I would watch.
She's different than anyone else.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
Shooting thirty foot threes, making these cross court passes.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
She's just a wizard with the basketball. And I know
this is gonna sound bad.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
I don't really have any interest in watching the game
if she's not in it.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
And that's not a slight on the other players, but like,
I can find other stuff to.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Do with my time, then watch you know the WNBA,
Like I mean, Katelin Clark is why I'm tuning in.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well, yeah, I mean the NBA lost fifty percent of
its viewers. Think about that fifty percent when Michael Jordan retired.
So that's why stars make the big bucks. I mean,
I mean, what are the Kansas City Chiefs worth today
and what were they worth seven years ago?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They're worth now nine billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
They were probably a billion when Mahomes got there, a
billion and a half.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
That's a great point. So let's say Mahomes is injured
and not gonna play on Monday Night Football, and whoever.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
The backup is, I'm not gonna check it out.
Speaker 6 (13:35):
I might gamble, but it's the bet and forget it.
Speaker 7 (13:37):
I'm gonna bet, and then I'm gonna go, like hang
with my family, maybe go bowling me whatever I can
do in golf.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Rory McElroy, I mean, I like the British Open, but
he will singularly yes, if he is in the running Sunday,
I'm watching every shot Sunday of the British.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
If he's not, i'll watch it.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But if I have lunch, I want to get a
work in, I'll watch it on you know, I'll watch
it on Fubo at the gym, like like it's that's why.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The stars make the big money. I certain people get
me to a TV.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
The Sopranos and Tiger Woods changed my Sunday viewing habits
for years.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
That's a good point.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
And reality is, you know, I asked my kids this colin,
what's our most important resource that we have? And the
answers time, Yeah, And people just don't understand that, Like,
you know, once you get kids in your you know,
establish a family. I got a dog, I gotta walk
like I have responsibilities. I don't have time to watch
something that I don't really care about. I mean, that's
just the reality of it. And without Kaitlin Clark, without
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Tiger Woods, there's just some things that I'm not I
just don't care about as much. So again, not a
slight to the league, but there's a big loss of
Kaitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Let's go to the.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
NBA colin where interestingly, Joel Embiid recently did a sit
down profile on his career and he hasn't given a
lot of these, but he really opened up and he
actually talked about James Harden. And I didn't know this,
but according to Joel Embiid, James Harden is not talking
to me. That's the part I don't like about being
(15:08):
the guy because if you ask James, he probably believes
that I had something.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
To do with him not being there.
Speaker 7 (15:13):
So remember James Harden was in Philly for like five
minutes and then he wasn't and it's Joel Embiid almost
seems end Listen. I know he's had an injury history
and we don't really love him on the show as
a player, but he almost feels wounded by the fact
that James Arden doesn't talk to him.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
It was kind of eye opening stuff.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
I suggest checking out the article because.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Remember these two when they had to pick and roll
in Philly.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
It's like, oh, this is a contender, and now Harden
won't even talk to him.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
They ran Ben Simmons, Jimmy Butler, James Harden. I mean
it's not like MB didn't have an aggressive front office.
They gave him multiple coaches. It's that that whole Embid
story is on MB. Remember at the Olympics when they
weren't they couldn't. He didn't fit.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I always said this about him.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
He's too often on the perimeter, Like Yannis knows he
can't shoot, so he didn't spend any time wasting time
in the perimeter.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Didn't get anybody's way.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I think Embiid has had some shock qualities early, but
injuries and his style of play. To me, I have
always thought he's an he's just He's a great player.
He'll be a Hall of Famer. But I've always thought
he's over valued. I don't think he's half. I don't
think he's close to Jokic. Jokis is a better shooter,
(16:30):
a better passer, he's healthier, he elevates every single Everybody
works with Jokic, almost nobody works with MB. Well.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I'll say this Embiid.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
I think two years ago was the MVP, and the
problem was he pushed so hard for it Colin that
his body broke down. Re memory was he was averaging
like thirty some odd points of games. He has not
been the same since he got the MVP, and I
would go and predict that he, he and Derek Rose
are going to be the only NBA MVPs to never
make the NBA finals because I don't cemb get into finals. Now,
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the Sixers, they're one of my sneaky teams this year.
They got a lot of dudes, your boy MAXI. We'll
see about Paul George. I like McCain, I like their
pick Edgecumbe. They got some guys. I don't know if
their finals worthy, but the East is down. Just keep
an eye on Philly. Final story is to college football.
Now this is I don't want you to get too
worked up about this column, but the Athletic has put
(17:23):
out their list of top ten quarterbacks for the college
football season, and arch Manning checked in at ten. I'm
stunned some of them. Josh Hoover is ninth. I'm not
familiar with his work. I've seen John and Mattier at Oklahoma.
I can't believe he's listed.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Better than artists on the screen.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So arch Manning has only played a couple of games,
so I don't have a problem with this zero stirst
of all. I like meus Meyer and I like cade Klubnick.
Drew Aller I think is more talented, so I think
he's low. I think Sam Levitt at Arizona State, keep
your eye on Sam Levitt's as a gamer.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
As a college guy, as a pro. You think he's
got major proucts.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
I think he's pretty I don't have a problem with
the first shoot picks. I think Drew Aller should be
somewhere in the top three.
Speaker 7 (18:14):
This kid Sellers is good. He's the guy that intrigues
me for next year's draft. He's kind of a multi
talented quarterback. Not quite Jalen Hurts, but he's he's very nimble.
I got to ask this Nussmeyer stuff, Colin. You watched
him last year.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, I haven't seen it. I think he's good. People
like it. I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
I think he and Club Nick are pretty good prospects
B prospects. I think Drew Aller, if he makes another leap,
he becomes an a prospect.
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Well, Aller is your six' five strapping. Quarterback that's Not Club,
Nick that's Not. Nutsmeyer not.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Right my guess by the end of the, season the
top two prospects will Be Arch.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Manning And Drew.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Aller, yeah and THEN i, think and THEN i think
Nuss meyer will be. Third Club nick will be. Fourth
The norris kid who's more athlete than pocket. Guy at this,
point just wait and watch him. Play people like him a.
Lot didn't see a Time i've seen him. Play BUT
i think that's your top five or. SIX i Think
Sam levitt's a little bit of a dark.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Horse BUT i.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Lied WHEN i watch now, Again Arizona state shocked the.
World he was really good the first time he got
on the. Field so he's Been he's been really, good very.
Quickly by the, way.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
Arch manning and we'll talk about this a.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Lot his first start in college football is At Ohio.
STATE i, Know august. Thirtieth did we do guess the
line on this yet or?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
No where's the game At Ohio? State?
Speaker 1 (19:43):
YEAH i would, say Oh Ohio state's favored by one
and a half.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
One and a.
Speaker 7 (19:50):
Half, no it opened at four and a half and
it's down to. Three ohio's date favored by a field
goal by Day.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Texas what all, Right.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
Well we'll go ahead to. Head that game is On.
Fox you like arch man to go Into Ohio state and?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Win, Yeah WELL i Saw Jim harbaugh AND jj McCarthy do.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
It why Can't Arch?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Manning and that was at the end of the. Season
this Is art's first. Start i'm gonna an entire summer
to prepare for Arch.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Manning i'm gonna Take i'm gonna take the. Points it's
a great, game a great.
Speaker 7 (20:25):
Game Albert brier's watching this right, now so upset with.
You i'll be on The buckeyes in that.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
ONE i, mean, listen it's gonna be like The Oregon
Ohio state game last.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Year it's gonna be. Great it's gonna. Be it's just gonna.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
BE i think there's gonna be a lot of points
and a lot of big.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Plays you got a lot of cloud at this.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Network why don't you throw your weight around and get
us to that. Game come, on, Buddy i'll. Listen that's
a great way to start the college football.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Season it's a great. Game it. Is, Yeah, No i'm
that's that's about as good a game as college football
is gonna. Have In September. OCTOBER J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
News well that's the, news and thanks for stopping By
The Herdline.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
NEWS a lot of news happening At fox, today including
What Urban meyer said About Nick.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Saban, next.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
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Speaker 1 (21:24):
App Good Show, Today Urban, Meyer Dan, woiki good stuff.
Today we Started albert BURN i started talking about. Yesterday
we Brought Urban meyer on today And urban And belichick
have always been very close With Nick saban AND i
had said this. Week the genesis of all this discussion
(21:46):
happened a couple of days ago WHEN i saw a
story That greg, McElroy very popular FORMER bama quarterback who's
well connected To, bama said he's hearing That saban wouldn't
mind coaching. Again in my take is he's not going
to coach in college because you can buy out coaches
like you used to with THE. Nil you, know these
coaches now make the good ones eight to ten to
twelve million dollars a. Year so three or four years
(22:07):
left is thirty forty. MILLION nil is costing eighteen million a.
Year saban would cost just sixty. Eighty like outside Of,
texas nobody has that kind of. Money maybe the billionaire
At Texas. Tech But saban's not going To Texas. Tech,
Please it's not going to The big. Twelve but SO i.
SPECULATED i think he's a very aspirational driven. GUY i,
think Like Pete, carrelly plays much younger than his, age
(22:30):
AND i think he's going to take phone calls from
THE nfl And Albert. Breer, first let's start With Urban,
meyer who's friends With saban on the idea of THE.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
NFL i have not.
Speaker 8 (22:39):
Talked to him about. THIS i could guess BECAUSE i
know him fairly well and competed against, him that it's
not a little. Scratch it's probably a pretty big scratch.
That that's the one area that he is not you,
know you, know, he like you, said he's get things
going On. MIAMI i actually visited him when he was down.
There BUT i don't think he'd go back to. COLLEGE
(23:01):
i don't see that. FIT i would say very little
to no chance he would get involved in. College BUT
i think he would take phone calls from THE.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nfl, yeah and, well remember we get about seven openings
a year and coordinators hit at about a thirty to
forty percent. Clip SO i mean even, again so college
coaches are not going to take THOSE nfl. Jobs Brian
kelly sniffed around years. AGO nfl wasn't. Interested tell Me Lincoln, RILEY,
nfl nobody's. Interested so tell me the college coaches that
(23:32):
would TAKE nfl.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Jobs Ryan day, maybe BUT i.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Think he Likes Ohio. State tell me the college guys
that would take an. Opening there's. None davosweeney's totally a college.
Guy Marcus freeman maybe At Notre, dame BUT i think
he Loves Notre.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
DAME i think he loves young. Families he wants to
stay in.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
College so there's nobody coming out of college as THAT
i can think of top of my. HEAD i could
have said a couple of years. Ago now we all
Knew horball was. Interested that was pretty. Obvious but so and,
then and and then tell me all the hot. Coordinators Ben,
johnson he took a.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Job Cliff.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Kingsbury most of my people don't see him as AN
nfl head. Coach he doesn't hold players. Accountable good coach,
though So. Kingsbury the ship has. Sailed so show me
all the hot coordinators who are. Takeing give me seven.
Openings somebody's Calling Nick. SABAN i Think, cleveland you have
to pay attention To Jimmy, Haslam Big Tennessee booster loves the,
(24:28):
sec loves, stars Drafted Baker, manzell Acquired Deshaun, watson loves star.
POWER i think he Likes Kevin, stefanski but he'd move
him out of the way for A saban and he'd
HAVE saban control. Personnel Andrew berry would probably you, know
say no, thanks so that. One AND i Think. DALLAS
i Think Albert breer came. On we talked about The,
(24:49):
cowboys And Nick, SABAN i think IT'S i think That
schottenneimer thing is going to go sideways By.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
October Here's.
Speaker 9 (24:55):
Albert the one thing About dallas that people misunderstand, is,
Yes jerry's involved in, football but the coach is involved
in scouting. Too like the coach is involved in putting
the team, together and that's always been the way that
it's been run. There and in that, like they've got
a really good personnel. Department will McLay does a great,
job but they've always involved the coach and how the
(25:16):
team is put. Together If jerry was going to do,
this part of it would be are you willing to
take a back seat and move away from the spotlight
for a little bit to see If Nick saban can
come and do?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
It, YEAH i Mean Jerry jones is eighty, two SO
i think it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Plays.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Listen If greg McElroy has heard this and he is
totally connected To, bama that means somebody in The alabama,
administration that's my guess where the source comes, from has
talked To, nick And nick's either, bored.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
You, know doesn't.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
DOESN'T i, MEAN i think he does a great job ON,
tv but there's a lot of voices on the show he's,
on AND i THINK tv Board Bill, parcells who tried
it a couple of. TIMES i think it Bored Bill.
WALSH i don't think it's for, everybody AND i do
think it goes back to What urban, said you have
(26:16):
to go back and look. Up first of, all he
coached on That belichick staff In, cleveland And belichick's one
of his closest, friends SO i guarantee you he would
Call bill in a heartbeat asking. Questions But saban really
pivoted At. Alabama he Went nick did something that was really.
Impressive And i've touched on this. Before Lane kiffin has
talked about, this and it was in A New York
(26:37):
times article years ago that When saban was all defense
and when he got To bama he was a relentless.
Recruiter but those Early bama teams were all about linebackers
and pass rushers and dts and corners and. Safeties and
then as the game and the sport changed On Lane
kiffen and him sat. Down he really realized that the
(26:58):
world was. Changing bama when he left was about wide,
receivers left tackles and. Quarterbacks That's belichick has struggled to.
Pivot saban has had no trouble. Pivoting AND i Think
saban deep down thinks he's a better coach Than. Belichick
but when you talk about all the time great, coaches
you don't bring Up Bear bryant Or Woody.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Hayes you. Don't you don't bring Up Nick. Saban It's Andy.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Reid Bill, Walsh AND i don't Think saban would have
to go to THE nfl and Win Super. BOWLS i
think if he went and he went somewhere for five
years and made the playoffs four years and took the
mess known as The cowboys Or cleveland and Made cleveland
a big time. Team If cleveland has the number one
pick AND i Get saban and Arch manning and they
(27:44):
start winning that division and getting to the, PLAYOFFS i
Mean saban's going to SAY i KNEW i could.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
COACH i don't think he ever would have gone To.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Bama if the team doctor for The dolphins would have
acquiesced and given Him Drew. BREES i don't think he
ever would have gone To. Bama but the team doctor,
Didn't So alabama should think the team. Doctor BUT i
think it has. Legs, yeah by the, way this is.
Interesting Natasha, cloud New york liberty player guard on the
(28:17):
strained relationship between THE wnba players and. Refs we talked
about this earlier With Caitlin clark's, injuries Says Natasha. CLOUD
i work my blanking blank off all off season for
these four and a half months to try to win a,
championship AND i feel like the refs are having too
much blanking impact on the. Game Angel reese on the.
(28:37):
Officiating it has to be. FIXED i don't give a
damn IF i get fined because blankety blank is cheap
And i'm tired of this. Blank Kelsey, plumb who plays
for THE La sparks set In, JUNE i drive more
than anybody in the, league so to shoot six free
throws as effing. Absurd so the, players you don't HEAR
nba players bang on the refs like, this and THE
(29:00):
wnba officiating is. Bad Sophie cunningham got knocked on her
backside a couple of nights, ago no. Call it was.
Brutal it was. Brutal So Caitlin clark is not going
to play this. Weekend so you Got Natasha, Cloud Angel
(29:21):
reese And Kelsey. Plum the officiating is. Horrible so AGAIN
i liken it to a lottery ticket. Winner when you
have a rapid change of. Circumstances you don't know how
to react to. It SO i have the lottery winners
go broke or something like, That AND i think this
league is just playing catch up To Caitlin. Clark they're
(29:42):
reacting and the last part of the, change because the
players are starting to embrace. Her the last part of
the change is the. Officiating college. Officials women's college officials
make more THAN wnba. Officials that ain't. Right so it's
time for. Pensions it's time for big time officiating. Revenue
that the sport's getting too. BIG i, mean it'd be
(30:04):
like having, Again it'd be like having a rock star
selling out and having a second tier, promoter like once
you get once you have a world class, band you
have to have a world class, marketing promoting and ticket sales.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Team so there you.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Go Or, colin we could just call it A Kansas
City chiefs playoff. Game the way the referees seem to
always favor The, chiefs especially In. Arrowhead Buffalo bills fans
are texting me about it right.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
Now, refereeings it's. Tough it's tough to find the good, refs,
obviously when the seats are getting blasted in The Super.
Bowl nobody's talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Referees, WELL i will SAY i do believe THE nfl
should make officials more full. Time maybe not all of,
them but seventy five. Percent that's always been a. BONUS i,
mean we're moving to eighteen, games so between eighteen games
and playoffs and three preseason it's a full time.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
Job are you sure we're going to Eighteen?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah next year cheetz a second. Bye, so by the,
way what are the ending the Season?
Speaker 6 (31:06):
March what's going?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
On, Yeah i'm okay with. It we'll see you. Tomorrow
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