June 12, 2025 • 31 mins
NBA champion Paul Pierce joins the show to tell Colin why the Knicks made a mistake firing head coach Tom Thibodeau
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
One of the things I really like about Tyre's Halliburton
is how comfortable he is with TJ McConnell taking over
the game. Are any other young player getting his and
I think that's hard, like point guards Steph Curry's like that,
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but Steph always gets his. So I just there's an
iq eq self awareness with Halliburton. I mean, last night,
like he was TJ McConnell's biggest fan. Paul Pierce nineteen
years the Hall of Famer is now joining us. Not
every teammate Paul is like that. Not every teammate's happy
when you get yours In Boston, you guys were stars,
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You're a star. Rondo wanted the ball you had, Ray
Allen you had KG. Halliburton generally appears joyful on winning
more than everything in your career. Is that common?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Wow, that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It depends on type of leader you got in the
locker room, and it depends on what's driving them, and
it depends on like what's the goal.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
What are we trying to accomplish?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, people talk about winning, but are they willing
to do the necessary things to help them win or
is it just more about them? And I don't see
that about Holliburn, it being about him. He just wants
to win. And the thing, and I said this yesterday
on the Speak, I said, like his play is uncommon
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in today. His play is unorthodox, which is which is
strange because when you look at the common point guards
of today, he's a traditional point guard in my era today,
he's unorthodox, right, you know what I'm saying, Like he's
a passport first point guard. And that's why people don't
look at him like a superstar. And that's why. But
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his effect on the game is the same as a superstar.
And that's what I've been trying to tell people.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, was you know, it's funny it is the playoffs,
especially these playoffs, you don't get the whistle. I mean,
they're gonna let you play. I thought a big part
of this last night was SGA didn't get to the
free throw line. This team is four and four in
the playoffs when he doesn't get eight or more free throws.
(02:47):
Some of this is James Harden was totally reliant on
the whistle. You weren't. Kobe wasn't. But that's not a
knock on SGA. But the record is clear. Yeah, because
Homegren's game is still a little uneven. You're never quite
sure what you get. Last night, Lou Jordan hit threes.
I think SGA is a little whistle dependent. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You know, it's fifty to fifty with him because some
nights he gets the whistle. I mean he's still good
for twenty five to thirty, you know. I mean, look
think about it. He had had twenty four last night,
didn't get the whistle. I mean, he could still put
the ball in the bucket. But I think he's just
getting worn down. COmON, he's getting worn down. Did you
see at the end of the game, they're picking him
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up full They're playing the long game. They're like, all right,
he may get us in the beginning, but we gonna
pick up full court by time that fourth quarter come.
He's gonna be so worn down because he has to
do it on both ends of the court. He has
to defend because Indiana's making them defend too.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know they throwing picks on him, They fouling him
pretty hard, and they're picking up full That wears on you.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I've been on out of the games, like.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You just getting picked up full court or somebody just
on your body at all times. That wears you down
throughout the course of the game, and in the fourth
quarter when you got to do so much for your team.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's draining.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It's draining when you when you got those guys who
don't hit the shots. Now you got to get back
on defense. It's draining when they score and then you
take the ball out. I get it, and I'm the
point guard, and they picking me up baseline the baseline,
And that's what I'm seeing right there.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They're getting tired. It's clear.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I want to shift to the New York Knicks. Rachel
Nichol was on an hour ago. Rich Nichols, I, my
take is, if you're going to fire anybody in any position,
you gotta have a plan. You got to have somebody
in the waiting in the car waiting in the sedan
outside ready to come in. It doesn't sound like the
Knicks had a plan. What was your kind of take
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on the firing at Tibbs.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I thought it was kind of unjust based on you
know what Tibbs was able to accomplish this year. You know,
he got them to the COMF his finals, and I
think he maxed out the team because everybody saw the
Knicks for what they worked throughout the regular season and
everybody was like, Okay, yeah, they're a second.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Round exit team, right right.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
They made it to the conference finals one a lot
of games in the regular season, but I think their roster,
based on other other rosters I'm looking at in the
Eastern Conference, I think he maxed them out.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They were deficient.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
They didn't have a bench, and even if Timms didn't
play him, when he did play them, I mean, how
productive were they because when you look at the likes
of Indiana, when you look at Boston and teams of
that nature in the Eastern Conference, these guys had depth
and that's something that the Knicks were front heavy. So
I think he maxed out the rosters. So I don't
think a coach coming in the rosters what the roster
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is the coach. It's not the coach. You're gonna have
to get more pieces for this team to get over
the hump.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I don't care who you bring in.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You can bring in Red all Back, you can bring
in Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
This team maxed.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Out, you know, Paul. It's interesting we forget they had
Hartenstein and Dante Deevin Chentza last year, and Dante's a
great three point shooter. How many times in the next
series did we go, God, they need one more guy
to hit a three. They had him. He's off to Minnesota.
So they lost really valuable pieces and it showed up
against Indiana.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Man, I'm telling you. I tell people this.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If they didn't make no trade and stood pat they
were injured last year.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, all they had to do was stan Pat. If
they stand.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Pat, We're not We're probably talking about the Knicks in
the finals. Because you would have had depth, You would
have had more experienced from a year ago. Randall would
have gave you pretty much what Kat gave you on
both ends of the court, but you would have had
to depth.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You would have had guys off the bach that you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can depend on. So you know, it is what it
is moving forward. I don't know where the Nats go
from here as far as coaching, but they're right there.
Take nothing away from they're right there. They're a piece away.
No matter what coach you, they're a piece of way.
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Speaker 1 (07:10):
So this is one of the better domestic drafts. Last
year was a heavy international draft. We got Duke players,
Rutgers players. There's a lot of American kids in this draft.
Cooper Flags the overwhelming favorite. I have made the comp
that I think he's a more aggressive Jason Tatum. Maybe
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not today, but that's how I see the comp. You
don't like that comp.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Caylin, if you don't get out of here with that
talk about Jason Tatum. So you're telling me that Cooper
Flags offensive package is equivalent to Jason Tatum, a guy
who's average thirty in the league twenty eight, twenty seven,
you think Cooper can do? I love Cooper and I
love what he's done. You know throughout his career. He's
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a young guy too. Hey, I look at him more
of like a Andre Kerra Linko. You know, he can
play both ends, maybe a little more offense than Carolinko,
but you gotta stay at Carolinko was an all star
in this team, in this league.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Do I see him as a superstar? I don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'm not quite sure yet. You know, how is he
in the pick and roll? How is he initiating offense?
How is he you know, I look at other things
when I look at primary scorers and guys who lead
their team. How is this playmaking? You know, off the dribble,
when he's getting trapped, when he's in different situations.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now, he's still young and he'll learn these things. But
I saw those.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Things from Jason Tatum at Duke already playing a pick
and roll, playing on the ball, initiating offense off the ball,
on the ball. So will he be an impact player
in the league. I believe so because he does too
many things to not be an impact. Offensively, he can
knock down shots. Defensively, he's a tear. His engine is
a talent, and that's something that people don't talk about
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having that type of is a talent in this league,
because when I think about motor there's only a certain
few guys that have a motor that that's head and
shoulders above everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
When you talk about Auntie Takoupo.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
When guys like Westbrook, you know that that's just that
extra umph and he has that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
By the way, Cooper averaged nineteen a game at Duke
as a freshman. Tatum averaged seventeen, so they were very similar.
I do think even Tatum's dad has mentioned this. I
think Cooper's a more aggressive player, and that's just that's
almost DNA stuff. I can't explain it. They're just guys
that want the shot.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I agree with that he's a more aggressive player as
far as attacking the basket because I don't think he's
a good a shooter as Tatum either, though that's fair,
you know, so you go to take one, give one
like I was, more like Tatum's probably was.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, I wouldn't say a better shooter, but I like
to attack the basket.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Well, I mean, you know it just like you said,
it's in the DNA, and it's also what the coaches
are allowing.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Allowing these guys.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You know, when I look at the SE I mean
there are three point heavy shooting team and I was
thinking about it this morning when I watched the finals, Colin,
I saw that the both teams combined to shoot. I
believe it was like twenty seven threes and twenty to
like forty nine threes combined.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And I've seen on multiple.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Occasions, you know, the Celtics shoot fifty plus threes and
it's just like wow.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
By the way, do you think the Celtics go for
Yannis make a big move move? Jalen Brown like, what
is your feeling on what Boston does you have a
sense of that culture.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I'm not sure it'd be necessary to go for a
Giannis as long as Jason Tatum is out and I
don't know the timetable on when he come back in
even if he does come back, he won't be the
Jason Tatum that we saw leaving the playoffs. You know,
it's gonna take some time to get back to that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
If it were me, I kind of like let the
year play out and make decisions. I wouldn't be too
fast to make decisions. I'll see where the team is
and what direction we're going in, and if there's something
I can do at the trade deadline that's gonna benefit
benefit them in the long run or even in the night,
I'll make that move, But like I wouldn't just be like, well,
Jason's hurt, let's throw away the year.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I'm gonna sit back and see.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And be patient because most of the times when you
make these hasty decisions and decisions that are too quick,
you most likely make the wrong decision on the team.
So I hope they just sit back and be patient
and see what they need.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So you have the most all time game winning buzzer
beaters made or assistant on regular and postseason. Indiana is
the most clutch team in the playoffs, nine and one
in clutch time. Oklahoma City, because they won by an
average of thirteen points in the regular season, is a
really young team that hasn't been in a lot of
close games. I thought down the stretch the last six
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minutes last night, I thought Oklahoma City shot creation was bad.
I didn't think they got good looks. I thought Indiana
just got better looks. And I thought to myself, Indiana
lives in these kind of games. They're in these games
every night, and I feel like, oh, it's a little
bit of a negative with Okay, Paul, It's like a
football team that blows therey. I always feel about the
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Baltimore Ravens with Lamar. They blow so many people out
in the regular season. They're not used to a one
possession game. And I think Okase looked a little off
late last night.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, yeah, those teams are front runners, Collins and and
there's nothing wrong with that, because I've seen front running
teams win. Uh, it's just that they're not used to
being in that situation when you're blowing teams out at
a historic rate. Now, when the game is close and
tight and it's starting to set in, they panic. And
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that's what that's what we call front runners. I mean,
look at the numbers. If you just look at the
numbers in the fourth quarter alone in this series, it's
it's drastic how Indiana is out playing in the fourth
quarter when the game is tight. Indiana got better. And
it just look at the GGC last night. They missed
free throws. They don't normally miss sea. I saw Jalen.
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I saw Jalen miss what three was it three or
four right free throws? And then it was like, whoa,
it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious before, it was
obvious last night just at the free throw line alone
that you were like, whoa, it got tight end there.
And to their credit, they're a young team. And I
said this, this is why I picked the Indiana Pacers.
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People who don't understand, Like when I watched them top
the bottom coaching their stars and you asked me, like,
what who are their stars? That's right, we don't know
because it's a different star every single night, and that's
what makes them tough to play. Like what am I
doing if I'm okay, see and I'm in the locker
room saying, oh, we have to prepare for Nie Smith
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and them hard. Oh but they didn't show up yesterday.
Oh but now Mather goes for twenty six. It's so unpredictable.
And that's why I picked them those teams for me, Colin,
when we you know, it's the toughest games for.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Me to play in. Say like we playing a team
and the star was out. So now you're like, oh,
it's easy to prepare for what I know. I know
what he is. It's easy to prepare for that.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But when now the unpredictable ability sets in, it's like
anybody can go off, and that's who Indiana is. It's
so unpredictable, it's tough to prepare for them.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, if Syoncam had twenty nine points next game, you
wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And if he had seven, you wouldn't be surprised. Mean, look,
key J McConnell took over the game in the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Crazy right, right, They have so many unsuck heroes. I'll
tell you this story. We were at the end of
the year in twenty and ten and we're asked we
were positioning ourselves for the playoffs, and we were like,
all right, should we win these games or lose these games,
would we rest and get ready? It was our seaton
was on the line, and we got into the meeting
me Rondo, Ray KG. He said, who would y'all rather
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play in the second round? I think it was like
Orlando and Cleveland. Because Orlando it was like a two
seed and Cleveland was a one seed. We were like,
let's play the number one seed in the second round
with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It's easier for us. It's easier for us.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
To prepare for him because we know it's all about him.
Now that Orlando team was a little more in predictable. Yeah,
they got d White, but they got turgerlou Rashard Lewis,
Jamie Nelson, and they got all these other guys. That's
like a little I don't know who's gonna be the
next start on any given night. Lebron in Cleveland was
easier to prepare for, even though they were the number
one seed and won sixty six games.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Paul Pierce the Hall of Famer, He's on speak after
us good seniors. Olsm Man always you bet Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, no tarn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I know you love Schador Sandek.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
We're gonna start with the best quarterback in the draft class,
Cam Ward. He's crushing it in Tennessee and earlier this month,
Calvin Ridley said Ward had the effet mentality you.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Need as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Well, this week, defensive tackled Jeffrey Simmons talked about Ward's
ability to trash talk while staying composed, and Brian Callahan
elaborated further.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
I wasn't used to I'm not used to call m
plays do a quarterback who's usually he's still talking when
I'm talking to him, and that's great, and so I
asked him after practice and I said, I just just
helped me out here.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Do you need me to wait till you finish?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Or?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
And he goes, no, he goes, I'm listening, but I'm
calling him play. It's all he's doing. All he's doing,
and he's listening to everything I'm telling him. And he
enters right into the huddle and he calls a play
and doesn't scrub a play call, and I thought that
was actually kind of remarkable. I don't know, I couldn't
do that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How about that? I think you and I both you
and I both agree Tennessee's gonna be cam Ward's gonna
be a handful, They're gonna be good.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, I feel like I'm similar to cam Ward. And
then I'm listening to you talk all the time, but
at the same time, I'm researching how I'm going to
combat your points and toss him under the water. Like
I heard Paul Pierce say something and I'm like, there's
just no way, and I hear him explaining it. I'm like, yeah,
he's way off on Tatum, and I'm I think cam
Ward is similar and he can do multiple things. Listen
to the coach trash talk identify the defense takes a
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special talent.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
To do all of that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Coling, Yeah, sure do.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Duorg doesn't quite have that. Sorry, she just doesn't have
it yet. Maybe he'll get it a couple of years.
Next up the Denver Broncos. They have a great defense
and just added a piece of their offense. JK.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Dobbins, on a one year deal, had a really nice
season with the Chargers last year. Nine and five yards
here he is about joining their rivals in Denver.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
The defense is really good, like super good quarterbacks amazing.
I like the RB room Old line is amazing as well,
so it was a no brainer. And coach Sean Payton
and all the other coaches on staff too, so I
know I'll get coach well here. I want to get
a ring because I've been in the playoffs every year
i've played, so I'm tired of losing in him. So
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that's my goal is to bring a Super Bowl to
the city.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I thought it was actually a good pickup. I really did.
I really like Denver's roster. I think the defense is
going to be top six or seven in the league.
I think it's a nice pickup.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
How do you get year RB one in June, because
this is the depth chart before adding Dobbins. R. J.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Harvey a rookie.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
At no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
People like him a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Okay, great, they like him. Is a rookie at a UCF.
Then there's audrich Estime who was decent last year, and
then Jalil McLoughlin. Yeah, like JK. Dobbins is better than
those guys. Maybe they'll be better eventually. Do heasoned veteran?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, I like him. He's a good player. He
gets banged up, but he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't think you have to have a dominant Saquon Barkley.
It would help, but I don't think there are that
many in the league, and so I think they'll do
kind of running back. You carry it eight times, you
carry it six. By the way, bow knicks, they can
also move the pocket with him. So do they need
a dominant run game? Bon knicks to the at this
point in his career sometimes out of necessity, is really mobile.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
This is this just hit me.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Is the Broncos running back room with four guys.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It goes to the.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Browns quarterback room with four guys and nobody special.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, quarterbacks just more essential. So it's apples and orange.
But if you've got.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Four quarterbacks, you don't have one. If you have four
running backs, you don't have one.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But I'm not sure you need one. I think you
can do if you have. I mean, I would argue
that just for duration of career, I don't necessarily want it.
I mean, like Christian McCaffrey, I don't want him getting
more than twelve carries, two catches, twelve carre. I don't
want McCaffrey carrying it twenty four times. By the way,
my favorite backfield is Detroit. They've got the lightning guy,
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the thunder guy. I'd like multiple backs. I don't want
multiple quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
The only counter is the Eagles were really good, got
to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Blah blah blah. Ad Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, he's the best guy in the league. He's a superstar,
so that he's an exception. There's just he and McCaffrey
when healthy, are just different than everybody else in the league.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
What about Cook and Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Is he there?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, no, no, he's James Cook. No no, damn all right.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
We got one more story, Colin, and that is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
You know, this shouldn't really be a story, but it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Kirk Cousins almost seems resigned to being a backup at
this point in his career.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Here he is talking to reporters on Tuesday.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Obviously he'd love to play, but I'm not gonna dwell
on things that aren't reality in terms of uh, uh,
you know that's I'm I'm that's not the situation. I'm am.
So it's better spent to be focused on the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm in the control on.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
What you can control and uh and and I think
that's that's the right mindset to happen.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
It almost seems like he's one of these aging CEOs
and they're looking to push him out and bring in
a young, whipper snapper CEO who DECs things.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Differently, because there's at least three or four.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Teams right now where he would be the starter. But
it's like, what's the point, what are we doing? You know,
like the New Orleans Saints, Kirk Cousins would be the
best quarterback in that room. There's no denying that, sorry, guys.
And it's like, well, why.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Don't they have kirk Cousins. Well, let's try the young guys.
We don't want to pay Kirk.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know, yeah, I mean I think they want to
see if Spencer Rattler and the other kid from Louisville
can play.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
News Flash, they can't. You know, you might disagree at
this stage. I don't know that Rogers is better than
Kirk Cousins, but Arthur Smith certainly is not.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
There's no chance he's work with I mean the Browns.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I don't know that any of those guys are better
right now than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Two years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They got through for like four thousand yards nine. He
lost his fastball at the end of last year. Some
of that could have been rushing back from injury from injury.
AA jmck with the news. Well that's the news.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So yesterday we spent some considerable time with Alexi Lawless.
It was one of the leads of my show about
the United States men's national team is lost four straight friendlies.
The Gold Cup starts this weekend, the World Cups a
year away on US soil, and the team has no
there there what are they? I think A big part
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of it is their star without question is Christian polistic
and he has decided not to play on the Gold
Coast a Gold Cup because he wants to get rest.
He's fatigued from playing in a very rigorous ac Milan schedule,
which I defend him on that. He talks about the
pushback he's getting. Landon Donovan very critical of him. We'll
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talk about that. You'll hear from Polisic next.
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Speaker 5 (23:38):
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Speaker 1 (23:57):
Christian Poolistic, after a couple of years of rigorous and
playing well rigorous scheduling double digit goals in ac Milan
has decided, Hey I'm going to take this off. I
am fatigued. I defend that. But Alexi Lawless on our
show yesterday, not a big fan.
Speaker 12 (24:15):
I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if and
when you are called to represent your country, a country
that I feel is the greatest country in the world,
you saying no, I'm willing to give Christian Polisics some
grace if he needs rest, that's fine. I will remind
Christian and anybody else out there. Last time I was
(24:37):
one hundred percent, I was ten years old. I think
the bigger problem is for Christian Polistic not to be
here this summer is that you got to read the room.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Dude. I think that's a fair criticism. Polisic, However, I
think well responded criticism.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
It sucks for me to miss out with the team
I want to be. I want to be a part
of the team always. I was started to think, what's
you know, what is best and what is going to
be best for me leading into next year and going
into the World Cup, And was that to play eight
more games and then get no rest at all, goes
straight into preseason and then grind another year and go
straight into the World Cup. That's it's not what I
(25:17):
felt was best for my body. But the only point
that I would make with that is that I did
want to be a part of the at least the
two friendlies. I did speak with the coaches and I asked,
and I wanted to be a part of the team
and whatever capacity I could, And they said no, they
said they only wanted one roster.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And that's coach's decision.
Speaker 13 (25:37):
I fully respect that, and I have to make the
best decision for myself and also, you know, in the
long run, for my team.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So my take is polistic. Is it another level than
even Weston McKinney. And so the number one thing is
the World Cup in being ready for it, which he
just alluded to. And the number two thing is making
that money in Europe's that's the most important stuff. The
Gold Cup is not and I and my take is
(26:05):
if you are the best in the world, or at
least the best in America at something, the rules change.
So and there are a couple of guy Tyler Adams
a good player, he's banged up. So I think with Polisic,
he is a really good player for ac Milan double
digit goals, and it's it is intense. So he's had
the second most goals and assists in the Serie A
over the last two years, and that's one of the
(26:27):
top leagues in Europe. So he's a star over there,
and that's where you make your money. You're not making
it in the MLS. You're making it over there. And
so his take is I'm just going to be ready
for the World Cup and I also that's where the
money is. And he goes, well, I mean, it's not
loyal to You're as loyal as your options. His options
(26:48):
are great. I defend him. Now again, I'm these are
just it's just data. There are no opinions here. But
there there was another Cleveland Browns mini camp practice today.
So here the numbers with the four quarterbacks for the Browns.
(27:13):
Once again, Shadour was the most accurate once again. So now,
so Flacco was two to seven. Everybody was pretty accurate.
But but you know, Shoudar seven to nine. So Shador Sanders.
Now all In has completed seventy seven and a half
percent of his throws, Flacco fifty one percent, Kenny Pickett
(27:36):
sixty percent, about his career average, and Dylan Gabriel fifty
seven to fifty eight percent, so now no, no. In fairness,
Eric Mangini pushed back on what he've used as a
little hyperbolic attitude.
Speaker 14 (27:53):
By me, there is a desperation coming off with Deshaun
Watson for for some quarterback to emerge, for some hope
to be there for the franchise, and they thought Sudor
could could potentially be a high pick form and then
they get him in the fifth round. So it's just
it exploded in Cleveland the second that he got here.
(28:16):
And what Kevin Stephanski's trying to do is he's trying
to tamper it down. He's trying to push it down.
And you see all of his reps have been with
the back end guys. He hasn't gotten any reps with
the ones. To me, that's a good decision because as
soon as he gets in with the ones, then the
hype train's going to roll even further.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Listen, this show is not a big opinion show. It's
just about stats and data, and the stats are rather convincing.
America's honesty broker, I'm not America's opinion broker. It's just data.
All I do is get stats and documents all day
and feed into the audience, sharing data again from Ohio.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
So I can't believe I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
College It isn't being the most accurate quarterback in Browns
camp right now, like being the tallest guy in Dylan
Gabriel's family, Like it just doesn't matter that much when
you compare it at large, Like who cares that he's
seventy seven percent in camp with the backups like Colin I,
you know, I don't understand this has become stick.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
It's funny, haha.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
But then they put the camera on me and they
want me to push back because they like the sparring.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I'll just say this. If Jimmy Haslam is the
one that said draft him and there is overwhelming sentiment
among NFL reporters, that's what happened. We have the video
of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barley Andrew Berry like, yeah,
that's right, Okay. If that's true that the owner who
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wanted Johnny Manzellen Baker, Mayfield and Shaun Watson, If all
the other quarterbacks are completing fifty eight percent, Chaudeurs at
seventy seven percent, you really think you're gonna you surp
the owner's opinion. You think you're not gonna pay attention,
you're gonna get to a point where the numbers and
(30:18):
not to mention talk radio in Cleveland, which, by the way,
Jimmy Haslam can be affected by that. We've seen that.
Remember Jimmy here, he acknowledged that he drafted Johnny Manziel
because a guy in the street, yeah, told him to
draft Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Oh, isn't their equivalent where like maybe somebody here got
sick of my Jets and Lebron and all this stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
They were like, we're getting out of McIntyre.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We're getting somebody for coward and you just didn't like
that person that you're Kevin Stefanski, and the new person
would be Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
They want to bring in somebody else, but you who
run the.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Show, I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You're not feeling this. Kevin Stefanski wanted Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
No, we understand that, right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He didn't love Dylan Gabriel. He drafted him to get
out of the Shadeur business.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Where'd you get that from?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
My guy John Middlecoffs said, why would you draft him? There?
You already had Picket and Flacco. Well, why would you
reach on Dylan Gabriel because you didn't want to get
into the Chadeur stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I thought.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Albert Breer told us, Hey, Stefanski's in love with the
quick release, the processing, the accuracy.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Those are things he loves, and he loved them about Gabriel.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Oh yeah, but it's funny in camp. Chadeur is all
of those.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Things against backups.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well again, he's thrown to backups.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Let's see what he does against the ones in August.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I love being right so far I am. We'll see
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
One of the things I really like about Tyre's Halliburton
is how comfortable he is with TJ McConnell taking over
the game. Are any other young player getting his and
I think that's hard, like point guards Steph Curry's like that,
(00:49):
but Steph always gets his. So I just there's an
iq eq self awareness with Halliburton. I mean, last night,
like he was TJ McConnell's biggest fan. Paul Pierce nineteen
years the Hall of Famer is now joining us. Not
every teammate Paul is like that. Not every teammate's happy
when you get yours In Boston, you guys were stars,
(01:10):
You're a star. Rondo wanted the ball you had, Ray
Allen you had KG. Halliburton generally appears joyful on winning
more than everything in your career. Is that common?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Wow, that's a great question.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
It depends on type of leader you got in the
locker room, and it depends on what's driving them, and
it depends on like what's the goal.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
What are we trying to accomplish?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, people talk about winning, but are they willing
to do the necessary things to help them win or
is it just more about them? And I don't see
that about Holliburn, it being about him. He just wants
to win. And the thing, and I said this yesterday
on the Speak, I said, like his play is uncommon
(01:58):
in today. His play is unorthodox, which is which is
strange because when you look at the common point guards
of today, he's a traditional point guard in my era today,
he's unorthodox, right, you know what I'm saying, Like he's
a passport first point guard. And that's why people don't
look at him like a superstar. And that's why. But
(02:19):
his effect on the game is the same as a superstar.
And that's what I've been trying to tell people.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, was you know, it's funny it is the playoffs,
especially these playoffs, you don't get the whistle. I mean,
they're gonna let you play. I thought a big part
of this last night was SGA didn't get to the
free throw line. This team is four and four in
the playoffs when he doesn't get eight or more free throws.
(02:47):
Some of this is James Harden was totally reliant on
the whistle. You weren't. Kobe wasn't. But that's not a
knock on SGA. But the record is clear. Yeah, because
Homegren's game is still a little uneven. You're never quite
sure what you get. Last night, Lou Jordan hit threes.
I think SGA is a little whistle dependent. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
You know, it's fifty to fifty with him because some
nights he gets the whistle. I mean he's still good
for twenty five to thirty, you know. I mean, look
think about it. He had had twenty four last night,
didn't get the whistle. I mean, he could still put
the ball in the bucket. But I think he's just
getting worn down. COmON, he's getting worn down. Did you
see at the end of the game, they're picking him
(03:34):
up full They're playing the long game. They're like, all right,
he may get us in the beginning, but we gonna
pick up full court by time that fourth quarter come.
He's gonna be so worn down because he has to
do it on both ends of the court. He has
to defend because Indiana's making them defend too.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
You know they throwing picks on him, They fouling him
pretty hard, and they're picking up full That wears on you.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I've been on out of the games, like.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
You just getting picked up full court or somebody just
on your body at all times. That wears you down
throughout the course of the game, and in the fourth
quarter when you got to do so much for your team.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's draining.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It's draining when you when you got those guys who
don't hit the shots. Now you got to get back
on defense. It's draining when they score and then you
take the ball out. I get it, and I'm the
point guard, and they picking me up baseline the baseline,
And that's what I'm seeing right there.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
They're getting tired. It's clear.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I want to shift to the New York Knicks. Rachel
Nichol was on an hour ago. Rich Nichols, I, my
take is, if you're going to fire anybody in any position,
you gotta have a plan. You got to have somebody
in the waiting in the car waiting in the sedan
outside ready to come in. It doesn't sound like the
Knicks had a plan. What was your kind of take
(04:50):
on the firing at Tibbs.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I thought it was kind of unjust based on you
know what Tibbs was able to accomplish this year. You know,
he got them to the COMF his finals, and I
think he maxed out the team because everybody saw the
Knicks for what they worked throughout the regular season and
everybody was like, Okay, yeah, they're a second.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Round exit team, right right.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
They made it to the conference finals one a lot
of games in the regular season, but I think their roster,
based on other other rosters I'm looking at in the
Eastern Conference, I think he maxed them out.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
They were deficient.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
They didn't have a bench, and even if Timms didn't
play him, when he did play them, I mean, how
productive were they because when you look at the likes
of Indiana, when you look at Boston and teams of
that nature in the Eastern Conference, these guys had depth
and that's something that the Knicks were front heavy. So
I think he maxed out the rosters. So I don't
think a coach coming in the rosters what the roster
(05:49):
is the coach. It's not the coach. You're gonna have
to get more pieces for this team to get over
the hump.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
I don't care who you bring in.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
You can bring in Red all Back, you can bring
in Phil Jackson.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
This team maxed.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Out, you know, Paul. It's interesting we forget they had
Hartenstein and Dante Deevin Chentza last year, and Dante's a
great three point shooter. How many times in the next
series did we go, God, they need one more guy
to hit a three. They had him. He's off to Minnesota.
So they lost really valuable pieces and it showed up
against Indiana.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Man, I'm telling you. I tell people this.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
If they didn't make no trade and stood pat they
were injured last year.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, all they had to do was stan Pat. If
they stand.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Pat, We're not We're probably talking about the Knicks in
the finals. Because you would have had depth, You would
have had more experienced from a year ago. Randall would
have gave you pretty much what Kat gave you on
both ends of the court, but you would have had
to depth.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
You would have had guys off the bach that you.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Can depend on. So you know, it is what it
is moving forward. I don't know where the Nats go
from here as far as coaching, but they're right there.
Take nothing away from they're right there. They're a piece away.
No matter what coach you, they're a piece of way.
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Speaker 1 (07:10):
So this is one of the better domestic drafts. Last
year was a heavy international draft. We got Duke players,
Rutgers players. There's a lot of American kids in this draft.
Cooper Flags the overwhelming favorite. I have made the comp
that I think he's a more aggressive Jason Tatum. Maybe
(07:30):
not today, but that's how I see the comp. You
don't like that comp.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Caylin, if you don't get out of here with that
talk about Jason Tatum. So you're telling me that Cooper
Flags offensive package is equivalent to Jason Tatum, a guy
who's average thirty in the league twenty eight, twenty seven,
you think Cooper can do? I love Cooper and I
love what he's done. You know throughout his career. He's
(07:54):
a young guy too. Hey, I look at him more
of like a Andre Kerra Linko. You know, he can
play both ends, maybe a little more offense than Carolinko,
but you gotta stay at Carolinko was an all star
in this team, in this league.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Do I see him as a superstar? I don't know yet.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I'm not quite sure yet. You know, how is he
in the pick and roll? How is he initiating offense?
How is he you know, I look at other things
when I look at primary scorers and guys who lead
their team. How is this playmaking? You know, off the dribble,
when he's getting trapped, when he's in different situations.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Now, he's still young and he'll learn these things. But
I saw those.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Things from Jason Tatum at Duke already playing a pick
and roll, playing on the ball, initiating offense off the ball,
on the ball. So will he be an impact player
in the league. I believe so because he does too
many things to not be an impact. Offensively, he can
knock down shots. Defensively, he's a tear. His engine is
a talent, and that's something that people don't talk about
(08:59):
having that type of is a talent in this league,
because when I think about motor there's only a certain
few guys that have a motor that that's head and
shoulders above everybody.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
When you talk about Auntie Takoupo.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
When guys like Westbrook, you know that that's just that
extra umph and he has that.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
By the way, Cooper averaged nineteen a game at Duke
as a freshman. Tatum averaged seventeen, so they were very similar.
I do think even Tatum's dad has mentioned this. I
think Cooper's a more aggressive player, and that's just that's
almost DNA stuff. I can't explain it. They're just guys
that want the shot.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I agree with that he's a more aggressive player as
far as attacking the basket because I don't think he's
a good a shooter as Tatum either, though that's fair,
you know, so you go to take one, give one
like I was, more like Tatum's probably was.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Well, I wouldn't say a better shooter, but I like
to attack the basket.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Well, I mean, you know it just like you said,
it's in the DNA, and it's also what the coaches
are allowing.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Allowing these guys.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
You know, when I look at the SE I mean
there are three point heavy shooting team and I was
thinking about it this morning when I watched the finals, Colin,
I saw that the both teams combined to shoot. I
believe it was like twenty seven threes and twenty to
like forty nine threes combined.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
And I've seen on multiple.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Occasions, you know, the Celtics shoot fifty plus threes and
it's just like wow.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
By the way, do you think the Celtics go for
Yannis make a big move move? Jalen Brown like, what
is your feeling on what Boston does you have a
sense of that culture.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I'm not sure it'd be necessary to go for a
Giannis as long as Jason Tatum is out and I
don't know the timetable on when he come back in
even if he does come back, he won't be the
Jason Tatum that we saw leaving the playoffs. You know,
it's gonna take some time to get back to that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
If it were me, I kind of like let the
year play out and make decisions. I wouldn't be too
fast to make decisions. I'll see where the team is
and what direction we're going in, and if there's something
I can do at the trade deadline that's gonna benefit
benefit them in the long run or even in the night,
I'll make that move, But like I wouldn't just be like, well,
Jason's hurt, let's throw away the year.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I'm gonna sit back and see.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And be patient because most of the times when you
make these hasty decisions and decisions that are too quick,
you most likely make the wrong decision on the team.
So I hope they just sit back and be patient
and see what they need.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
So you have the most all time game winning buzzer
beaters made or assistant on regular and postseason. Indiana is
the most clutch team in the playoffs, nine and one
in clutch time. Oklahoma City, because they won by an
average of thirteen points in the regular season, is a
really young team that hasn't been in a lot of
close games. I thought down the stretch the last six
(11:42):
minutes last night, I thought Oklahoma City shot creation was bad.
I didn't think they got good looks. I thought Indiana
just got better looks. And I thought to myself, Indiana
lives in these kind of games. They're in these games
every night, and I feel like, oh, it's a little
bit of a negative with Okay, Paul, It's like a
football team that blows therey. I always feel about the
(12:03):
Baltimore Ravens with Lamar. They blow so many people out
in the regular season. They're not used to a one
possession game. And I think Okase looked a little off
late last night.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Well, yeah, those teams are front runners, Collins and and
there's nothing wrong with that, because I've seen front running
teams win. Uh, it's just that they're not used to
being in that situation when you're blowing teams out at
a historic rate. Now, when the game is close and
tight and it's starting to set in, they panic. And
(12:33):
that's what that's what we call front runners. I mean,
look at the numbers. If you just look at the
numbers in the fourth quarter alone in this series, it's
it's drastic how Indiana is out playing in the fourth
quarter when the game is tight. Indiana got better. And
it just look at the GGC last night. They missed
free throws. They don't normally miss sea. I saw Jalen.
(12:57):
I saw Jalen miss what three was it three or
four right free throws? And then it was like, whoa,
it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious before, it was
obvious last night just at the free throw line alone
that you were like, whoa, it got tight end there.
And to their credit, they're a young team. And I
said this, this is why I picked the Indiana Pacers.
(13:19):
People who don't understand, Like when I watched them top
the bottom coaching their stars and you asked me, like,
what who are their stars? That's right, we don't know
because it's a different star every single night, and that's
what makes them tough to play. Like what am I
doing if I'm okay, see and I'm in the locker
room saying, oh, we have to prepare for Nie Smith
(13:39):
and them hard. Oh but they didn't show up yesterday.
Oh but now Mather goes for twenty six. It's so unpredictable.
And that's why I picked them those teams for me, Colin,
when we you know, it's the toughest games for.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Me to play in. Say like we playing a team
and the star was out. So now you're like, oh,
it's easy to prepare for what I know. I know
what he is. It's easy to prepare for that.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
But when now the unpredictable ability sets in, it's like
anybody can go off, and that's who Indiana is. It's
so unpredictable, it's tough to prepare for them.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, if Syoncam had twenty nine points next game, you
wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And if he had seven, you wouldn't be surprised. Mean, look,
key J McConnell took over the game in the second quarter.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Crazy right, right, They have so many unsuck heroes. I'll
tell you this story. We were at the end of
the year in twenty and ten and we're asked we
were positioning ourselves for the playoffs, and we were like,
all right, should we win these games or lose these games,
would we rest and get ready? It was our seaton
was on the line, and we got into the meeting
me Rondo, Ray KG. He said, who would y'all rather
(14:46):
play in the second round? I think it was like
Orlando and Cleveland. Because Orlando it was like a two
seed and Cleveland was a one seed. We were like,
let's play the number one seed in the second round
with Lebron.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It's easier for us. It's easier for us.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
To prepare for him because we know it's all about him.
Now that Orlando team was a little more in predictable. Yeah,
they got d White, but they got turgerlou Rashard Lewis,
Jamie Nelson, and they got all these other guys. That's
like a little I don't know who's gonna be the
next start on any given night. Lebron in Cleveland was
easier to prepare for, even though they were the number
one seed and won sixty six games.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Paul Pierce the Hall of Famer, He's on speak after
us good seniors. Olsm Man always you bet Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
No, no tarn on the news.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I know you love Schador Sandek.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
We're gonna start with the best quarterback in the draft class,
Cam Ward. He's crushing it in Tennessee and earlier this month,
Calvin Ridley said Ward had the effet mentality you.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
Need as a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Well, this week, defensive tackled Jeffrey Simmons talked about Ward's
ability to trash talk while staying composed, and Brian Callahan
elaborated further.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
I wasn't used to I'm not used to call m
plays do a quarterback who's usually he's still talking when
I'm talking to him, and that's great, and so I
asked him after practice and I said, I just just
helped me out here.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Do you need me to wait till you finish?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Or?
Speaker 7 (16:15):
And he goes, no, he goes, I'm listening, but I'm
calling him play. It's all he's doing. All he's doing,
and he's listening to everything I'm telling him. And he
enters right into the huddle and he calls a play
and doesn't scrub a play call, and I thought that
was actually kind of remarkable. I don't know, I couldn't
do that.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
How about that? I think you and I both you
and I both agree Tennessee's gonna be cam Ward's gonna
be a handful, They're gonna be good.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Yeah, I feel like I'm similar to cam Ward. And
then I'm listening to you talk all the time, but
at the same time, I'm researching how I'm going to
combat your points and toss him under the water. Like
I heard Paul Pierce say something and I'm like, there's
just no way, and I hear him explaining it. I'm like, yeah,
he's way off on Tatum, and I'm I think cam
Ward is similar and he can do multiple things. Listen
to the coach trash talk identify the defense takes a
(17:01):
special talent.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
To do all of that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Coling, Yeah, sure do.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Duorg doesn't quite have that. Sorry, she just doesn't have
it yet. Maybe he'll get it a couple of years.
Next up the Denver Broncos. They have a great defense
and just added a piece of their offense. JK.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Dobbins, on a one year deal, had a really nice
season with the Chargers last year. Nine and five yards
here he is about joining their rivals in Denver.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
The defense is really good, like super good quarterbacks amazing.
I like the RB room Old line is amazing as well,
so it was a no brainer. And coach Sean Payton
and all the other coaches on staff too, so I
know I'll get coach well here. I want to get
a ring because I've been in the playoffs every year
i've played, so I'm tired of losing in him. So
(17:47):
that's my goal is to bring a Super Bowl to
the city.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I thought it was actually a good pickup. I really did.
I really like Denver's roster. I think the defense is
going to be top six or seven in the league.
I think it's a nice pickup.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
How do you get year RB one in June, because
this is the depth chart before adding Dobbins. R. J.
Speaker 5 (18:05):
Harvey a rookie.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
At no no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
People like him a lot.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Okay, great, they like him. Is a rookie at a UCF.
Then there's audrich Estime who was decent last year, and
then Jalil McLoughlin. Yeah, like JK. Dobbins is better than
those guys. Maybe they'll be better eventually. Do heasoned veteran?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
You know, I like him. He's a good player. He
gets banged up, but he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I don't think you have to have a dominant Saquon Barkley.
It would help, but I don't think there are that
many in the league, and so I think they'll do
kind of running back. You carry it eight times, you
carry it six. By the way, bow knicks, they can
also move the pocket with him. So do they need
a dominant run game? Bon knicks to the at this
point in his career sometimes out of necessity, is really mobile.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
This is this just hit me.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Is the Broncos running back room with four guys.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
It goes to the.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Browns quarterback room with four guys and nobody special.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well, quarterbacks just more essential. So it's apples and orange.
But if you've got.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Four quarterbacks, you don't have one. If you have four
running backs, you don't have one.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
But I'm not sure you need one. I think you
can do if you have. I mean, I would argue
that just for duration of career, I don't necessarily want it.
I mean, like Christian McCaffrey, I don't want him getting
more than twelve carries, two catches, twelve carre. I don't
want McCaffrey carrying it twenty four times. By the way,
my favorite backfield is Detroit. They've got the lightning guy,
(19:33):
the thunder guy. I'd like multiple backs. I don't want
multiple quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
The only counter is the Eagles were really good, got
to the super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Blah blah blah. Ad Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, he's the best guy in the league. He's a superstar,
so that he's an exception. There's just he and McCaffrey
when healthy, are just different than everybody else in the league.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
What about Cook and Buffalo?
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Is he there?
Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, no, no, he's James Cook. No no, damn all right.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
We got one more story, Colin, and that is Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
You know, this shouldn't really be a story, but it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (20:05):
Kirk Cousins almost seems resigned to being a backup at
this point in his career.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Here he is talking to reporters on Tuesday.
Speaker 9 (20:12):
Obviously he'd love to play, but I'm not gonna dwell
on things that aren't reality in terms of uh, uh,
you know that's I'm I'm that's not the situation. I'm am.
So it's better spent to be focused on the situation.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm in the control on.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
What you can control and uh and and I think
that's that's the right mindset to happen.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
It almost seems like he's one of these aging CEOs
and they're looking to push him out and bring in
a young, whipper snapper CEO who DECs things.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Differently, because there's at least three or four.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Teams right now where he would be the starter. But
it's like, what's the point, what are we doing? You know,
like the New Orleans Saints, Kirk Cousins would be the
best quarterback in that room. There's no denying that, sorry, guys.
And it's like, well, why.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Don't they have kirk Cousins. Well, let's try the young guys.
We don't want to pay Kirk.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know, yeah, I mean I think they want to
see if Spencer Rattler and the other kid from Louisville
can play.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
News Flash, they can't. You know, you might disagree at
this stage. I don't know that Rogers is better than
Kirk Cousins, but Arthur Smith certainly is not.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
There's no chance he's work with I mean the Browns.
Speaker 6 (21:20):
I don't know that any of those guys are better
right now than Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Two years ago.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
They got through for like four thousand yards nine. He
lost his fastball at the end of last year. Some
of that could have been rushing back from injury from injury.
AA jmck with the news. Well that's the news.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
So yesterday we spent some considerable time with Alexi Lawless.
It was one of the leads of my show about
the United States men's national team is lost four straight friendlies.
The Gold Cup starts this weekend, the World Cups a
year away on US soil, and the team has no
there there what are they? I think A big part
(22:04):
of it is their star without question is Christian polistic
and he has decided not to play on the Gold
Coast a Gold Cup because he wants to get rest.
He's fatigued from playing in a very rigorous ac Milan schedule,
which I defend him on that. He talks about the
pushback he's getting. Landon Donovan very critical of him. We'll
(22:27):
talk about that. You'll hear from Polisic next.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
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Speaker 11 (22:43):
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because this guy is over promising things we never have
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Speaker 5 (23:38):
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Off now with Pepkonka Calf Cold Cup. Team USA takes
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Speaker 2 (23:50):
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A matchup against shreded Ad and Tobago Sunday at five
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Speaker 1 (23:57):
Christian Poolistic, after a couple of years of rigorous and
playing well rigorous scheduling double digit goals in ac Milan
has decided, Hey I'm going to take this off. I
am fatigued. I defend that. But Alexi Lawless on our
show yesterday, not a big fan.
Speaker 12 (24:15):
I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if and
when you are called to represent your country, a country
that I feel is the greatest country in the world,
you saying no, I'm willing to give Christian Polisics some
grace if he needs rest, that's fine. I will remind
Christian and anybody else out there. Last time I was
(24:37):
one hundred percent, I was ten years old. I think
the bigger problem is for Christian Polistic not to be
here this summer is that you got to read the room.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Dude. I think that's a fair criticism. Polisic, However, I
think well responded criticism.
Speaker 13 (24:56):
It sucks for me to miss out with the team
I want to be. I want to be a part
of the team always. I was started to think, what's
you know, what is best and what is going to
be best for me leading into next year and going
into the World Cup, And was that to play eight
more games and then get no rest at all, goes
straight into preseason and then grind another year and go
straight into the World Cup. That's it's not what I
(25:17):
felt was best for my body. But the only point
that I would make with that is that I did
want to be a part of the at least the
two friendlies. I did speak with the coaches and I asked,
and I wanted to be a part of the team
and whatever capacity I could, And they said no, they
said they only wanted one roster.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And that's coach's decision.
Speaker 13 (25:37):
I fully respect that, and I have to make the
best decision for myself and also, you know, in the
long run, for my team.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So my take is polistic. Is it another level than
even Weston McKinney. And so the number one thing is
the World Cup in being ready for it, which he
just alluded to. And the number two thing is making
that money in Europe's that's the most important stuff. The
Gold Cup is not and I and my take is
(26:05):
if you are the best in the world, or at
least the best in America at something, the rules change.
So and there are a couple of guy Tyler Adams
a good player, he's banged up. So I think with Polisic,
he is a really good player for ac Milan double
digit goals, and it's it is intense. So he's had
the second most goals and assists in the Serie A
over the last two years, and that's one of the
(26:27):
top leagues in Europe. So he's a star over there,
and that's where you make your money. You're not making
it in the MLS. You're making it over there. And
so his take is I'm just going to be ready
for the World Cup and I also that's where the
money is. And he goes, well, I mean, it's not
loyal to You're as loyal as your options. His options
(26:48):
are great. I defend him. Now again, I'm these are
just it's just data. There are no opinions here. But
there there was another Cleveland Browns mini camp practice today.
So here the numbers with the four quarterbacks for the Browns.
(27:13):
Once again, Shadour was the most accurate once again. So now,
so Flacco was two to seven. Everybody was pretty accurate.
But but you know, Shoudar seven to nine. So Shador Sanders.
Now all In has completed seventy seven and a half
percent of his throws, Flacco fifty one percent, Kenny Pickett
(27:36):
sixty percent, about his career average, and Dylan Gabriel fifty
seven to fifty eight percent, so now no, no. In fairness,
Eric Mangini pushed back on what he've used as a
little hyperbolic attitude.
Speaker 14 (27:53):
By me, there is a desperation coming off with Deshaun
Watson for for some quarterback to emerge, for some hope
to be there for the franchise, and they thought Sudor
could could potentially be a high pick form and then
they get him in the fifth round. So it's just
it exploded in Cleveland the second that he got here.
(28:16):
And what Kevin Stephanski's trying to do is he's trying
to tamper it down. He's trying to push it down.
And you see all of his reps have been with
the back end guys. He hasn't gotten any reps with
the ones. To me, that's a good decision because as
soon as he gets in with the ones, then the
hype train's going to roll even further.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Listen, this show is not a big opinion show. It's
just about stats and data, and the stats are rather convincing.
America's honesty broker, I'm not America's opinion broker. It's just data.
All I do is get stats and documents all day
and feed into the audience, sharing data again from Ohio.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
So I can't believe I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
College It isn't being the most accurate quarterback in Browns
camp right now, like being the tallest guy in Dylan
Gabriel's family, Like it just doesn't matter that much when
you compare it at large, Like who cares that he's
seventy seven percent in camp with the backups like Colin I,
you know, I don't understand this has become stick.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
It's funny, haha.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
But then they put the camera on me and they
want me to push back because they like the sparring.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
And I'll just say this. If Jimmy Haslam is the
one that said draft him and there is overwhelming sentiment
among NFL reporters, that's what happened. We have the video
of Kevin Stefanski and Andrew Barley Andrew Berry like, yeah,
that's right, Okay. If that's true that the owner who
(29:58):
wanted Johnny Manzellen Baker, Mayfield and Shaun Watson, If all
the other quarterbacks are completing fifty eight percent, Chaudeurs at
seventy seven percent, you really think you're gonna you surp
the owner's opinion. You think you're not gonna pay attention,
you're gonna get to a point where the numbers and
(30:18):
not to mention talk radio in Cleveland, which, by the way,
Jimmy Haslam can be affected by that. We've seen that.
Remember Jimmy here, he acknowledged that he drafted Johnny Manziel
because a guy in the street, yeah, told him to
draft Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Oh, isn't their equivalent where like maybe somebody here got
sick of my Jets and Lebron and all this stuff, and.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
They were like, we're getting out of McIntyre.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
We're getting somebody for coward and you just didn't like
that person that you're Kevin Stefanski, and the new person
would be Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
They want to bring in somebody else, but you who
run the.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Show, I don't.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You're not feeling this. Kevin Stefanski wanted Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's it.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
No, we understand that, right.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He didn't love Dylan Gabriel. He drafted him to get
out of the Shadeur business.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Where'd you get that from?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
My guy John Middlecoffs said, why would you draft him? There?
You already had Picket and Flacco. Well, why would you
reach on Dylan Gabriel because you didn't want to get
into the Chadeur stuff.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I thought.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Albert Breer told us, Hey, Stefanski's in love with the
quick release, the processing, the accuracy.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Those are things he loves, and he loved them about Gabriel.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Oh yeah, but it's funny in camp. Chadeur is all
of those.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
Things against backups.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Well again, he's thrown to backups.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Let's see what he does against the ones in August.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I love being right so far I am. We'll see
you Tomorrow's the
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