May 9, 2025 • 31 mins
NBA champion and Hall of Famer Paul Pierce joins the show to talk about his Celtics blowing back-to-back 20-point leads to the Knicks and why LeBron James should have been included on Colin's list of best sidekicks in the league
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Paul Pierce said he would walk to work if the
Celtics did not win Game two and the video was
all over Instagram. So and then, Paul, this is Paul
right here saying, you know, okay, I'll walk to it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Look how dark it is out five in the morning,
five in Look at that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It took me seven hours. I'm still exhausted, can't you
tell this?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So, by the way, when Paul finally arrived at work,
maybe you've seen this scene before, he had to be
a wheeled into world.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Brings back memories on seven hours.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What are your feet? You outside? Fourteen fifteen feet off?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Feet are towards right now?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's one thing to blow a twenty point lead in
game one. I didn't look at that. It's embarrassing. I said, listen,
you led by twenty. You beat this team all year.
What am I supposed to make of that offense in
the last eight minutes of game two at home?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know what coming. That's a mindset, truthfully, that has
nothing to do with game planning. That's a mindset. So
many like, the game plan is there, you go up twenty,
the game plan is there's nothing Missoula, nothing more he
can do. The game plan is there, The blueprint is there.
Y'all did it all year long, y'all, y'all go about
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the game print for three quarters and this all of
a sudden, just mental laps in the fourth quarter. That's
all it is. It's not it's not xos as alls
at this.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Point, why doesn't Tatum and I've said, I understand the
fascination and the analytics and Brad Stevens building a three
point shooting roster. But at some point, and I've said this,
Michael and Kobe and Paul Pierce would have pushed back
and said, guys, I'm getting a basket for sure. I
think Jason is too collaborative. Dude, grab the ball and
(02:25):
take it to the basket four or five times in
a row. Even his last shot left side fall away.
Is it fair to say he has to be convinced
to be a dog.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's fair at times because I feel like that about him,
you know, because I see it. I know it's in them,
because I've seen it a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I mean, you just don't become a first team All
NBA player without some of it. Yes, exactly. I mean
talent could take you so far, I get it, but
mentality can take you further. And the guys that you
talk about have it all the time and never cut
it off. Sometimes I feel like he goes away, he
forgets about it. Yeah, and that has to be constantly
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reminded to be that way.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, the NBA is allowing a very physical playoff brand.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I love it. Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And for the record, that's why you flourished in the playoffs.
You were a physical player. You played defense. Can I
argue that this level of physicality Chris Fnch and Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Like this is the next level that it?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Actually, I could argue benefits the less talented team. This
is going to be a close series because the Knicks
aren't pretty, the Celtics are pretty.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Anybody can pass me. The Knicks aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And when you let og grab and lean that the
new officiating leans into New York's favor.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, you know what. You know what's so crazy about
the I always said when I played on teams that
weren't wasn't as good, I said, we have to do
something different. When I played at the Part, when I
played at AU, when I played in high school, when
we weren't a better team that team, I said, you
got you know what, guys, And this was the game plan.
This was always the game plan, Colline, since I've been
a kid, I said, we gotta junk up the game,
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junk it up. We gotta junk the game up. And
by saying that, we gotta foul, we gotta grab, we
gotta push, we gotta do things that they not used
to doing. We gotta take this game to the playgrounds.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So this is what we said about the Knicks. The
playground is beating the classroom. Yes, and the Knicks are
a playground team and the other guys are math guys.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Absolutely, that's exactly what you see right here. And that's
the only way you bring a team that's up here
to you down to your level. You junk it up
It's like a boxing match, you know what I'm saying,
Like a guy was more talented. But then you start grabbing, holding,
you know, doing things that this better boxer just not
used to doing. And you junk it up, body blows,
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body bulg grabbing, holding, elbow, ahead button. You start doing things,
and that's what the nigs are doing, right so the cels.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, I said this. I was very reluctant to
say Jalen Brunson's a one, but I gotta tell you
one is about durability and toughness and resilience and dog. Yeah,
I think he's a one.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, I have.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, Here's what I say. There's four things to be
a one. Okay, productivity, Ken average nine a game. You
have to be emotionally and physically ready to play every night.
You have to be durable Kawhi Leonard's available thirty eight.
That's not a why I can't build around you. And four,
you have to have a dog. You gotta be a
dog at least some of the time. You gotta want
to close. You can't run from the shot. And then
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I look at him and I go, Okay, I'm not
saying he's Lebron in his prime. I'm not saying he's
Paul Pierce. I'm not saying he's Tatum. But what Box doesn't.
He's a great closer, He's productive, he's durable, he's emotionally
always available. There are no he has bad games. He
never has a no show game.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I just like Jyllen Brunson is an amazing player. He's
one of the top point guards. I would love him
to be the next Olympic team when it gets to LA.
I just don't think he can be your best player
on a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Team one A. He can be one A. Jannis goes
to New York, he can be.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The okay, right, if he'll have the ball more.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Than Yannis, he'll hit the free throws late over Yannis.
Yannis will be the force.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Like Kobe and Shaq. You know what I'm saying. Kobe
was the finisher, but we all knew Shaq was dominant
and all of that. Yeah, I agree, But like I
just point guards as good as they are, as good
as he is, I don't think a point guard can
be your best player. Now, if your point guard is
your best player on the championship team, that means he's
an all time great. I'm talking about top.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Tens, stef magic, Isaiah that that, and.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That comes around almost never. You have to have the
dynamic wing. I say this all the time. Their dynamic
wing has to be your best player on a championship.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I most agree.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah and so. But as good as he is,
and they may get out of the series with the Celtics,
I just think they're missing one piece and it could
be like a Yannis in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Okay, so I have defended Draymond Green for a long time.
I've said this. The three villains in league history that
I watched were Rodman, Lambier, and Draymond. They leaned into it.
They are comfortable being it. Lamber and Draymond are better
offensively than Rodman. They take your best offensive player. They're
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going to ugly up the game. They're going to get technicals,
they will be Fans will be the rudest and sometimes
inappropriate toward them. Aggression meets aggression, but I don't so
when Draymond says the league is he feels the league
is picking on him. My take is, Bro, you chose
to be the wrestling heel.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, Draymond he definitely chose that.
Like I watched his antics and I see it. I
know how guys do, and he like he's flailing purposely
because I've seen it. I've been I've been in the
game where guys do that, and yeah, he's definitely embraced it.
(08:22):
But this has to be a point where he should
study Dennis Robin because Dennis Roman was so good at
getting under your skin without all the extras, like I
used to force Alonso Morning to get technicals or Karl Malone,
like you know, he was standing at the free throw
line stare at him, little stuff like that, like he
would just get under their skin. I used to watch
(08:44):
Robin like, dang, he not even doing all the bullcrap
stuff like Draymond elbowing, but he's under this guy's skin
and he is out of his game right now. And
I think Draymon should study that because that's he's like
the new generation.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That Draymond's a little more Bill lambering.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's more like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Was there ever a place? Obviously when you came you
were from La so you were a real villain even
though you were a Celtic. Like a lot of people
that loved you in LA. Did you ever go into
any arena and feel like, man, they hate me here.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh man, a lot of arenas Man, Indiana, Toronto. I'll
never forget that because when I got to Washington, I
said something prior to the playoffs, and I just remember
when I got introduced, it was booze. But I like,
I just think being a Celtic is you're a villain.
Like it doesn't even matter, like how we talk about Tatum,
(09:41):
how we talked about Larry Bird and all constant. The
best Celtics were always just like it was always the
villain Celtic and it always carried you wherever you went.
It carried me when I left Boston, you know, in Brooklyn,
I got booed at the All Star Game here now
I did. I got introduced with the three point contest.
(10:04):
I was the defending three point champ. And I came
back and the next year was in LA and they
introduced me in they boom and I was like, damn,
Like I'm from down Street, round the way, so I mean,
I never bothered me, but that that was probably the
only time that bothered me because it was the All
Star Game and I'm like these everybody here's not LA
(10:25):
fans like, come on.
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Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so I did this list earlier. J Mac didn't
love it. I said, don't. Just because a guy scores
James Harden doesn't mean he's a one. I need guys
that play both ends. I need guys that are available emotionally, physically.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I need dog And the truth is this is my
current list. Now. Butler may have been that four years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So my sixth the best sidekicks Brown, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, Homegren, Davis,
Davis just offensively. I'm not quite sure what I get.
Night tonight, you said to me, well, where's Lebron?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, Lebron should be on this list Top NBA sidekicks.
Jamal Murray should be on this list.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
No, Jamal and Booker were my next two.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Okay, Okay, Well, definitely Lebron.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Now, so you think Lebron is a two?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. I witnessed it the last thirty games
of the season. I saw Luca take over the dynamics
of the of the of the Lakers, become the guy
number one in Jersey sales cheered amongst the fans, and Lebron'
sk the back seat, and that's what pushed him to
the number three seed in the West.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I argue, there are twenty ones in the league.
Jmax like, there's twenty no, okay, So let's do it again.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
So he said Haliburton, and I said, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
A no, not a one. What are we talking about?
One's coline?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Okay one one? Productive o one?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Is he canny be the best player on a championship team?
That's a one to me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You don't think Halliburton can win the title?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think he can win the title. But can he
be the best player on a championship team?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They win tonight, he's gonna be in the Eastern Conference
finals against the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Can be the best player on a championship.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well, then there's like four in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's only four or five that can win it every year.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Those are the only ones. So you're telling me, do
you do you?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Okay? Let me let me think about this.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Hold on. You think that team can win? Yes, it's
joker A one always the best player in the.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
World, Yes, Horda contenders.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Joannis okay, okay, Tatum, Yeah, he's so.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Brown won the m v P. Okay, but we all
know it's an A one.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Absolutely, Okay. I think is Kawhi no not no more?
Got to give me more than forty games?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, not no more.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So you don't think so like I think leadership matters.
I never thought Harden was a one. He didn't defend
by May and June. He was so worn out because
he had the ball in his hands. I never thought
he was a one. I thought he was a great
number two.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
To parent him with somebody else, he could have won it.
He didn't have a good parent.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
How about Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's a good one right there.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I think he's one.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm conflicted with Donovan Mitchell because of his size at six'
four sixty. Three that conflicts.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Me, Okay So i'll tell you WHAT i never. THOUGHT
i don't buy into mb'd even when he was. HEALTHIER
i think he disrupts your. OFFENSE i think he's. MOODY
i think he was not, available never been to a conference,
championships and When lebron left The east and it was wide,
open couldn't win his second playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
SERIES i think he's been an m V p in this,
league there's the formula to win it. All you have
to have AN mvp. Candidate that was.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
A wobbly M. Vp that was one yo. Kitch everybody
was like, me.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Could have got, it could have got but he was
still first. Team.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All shouldn't you have to win a second playoff series
in The. East i'm not asking.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Mommy he had to run into The. Celtics that was
that Was that's, like that's Like baltimore or or The
Buffalo bills keep having to run into each, other or
or Or Kansas. City we all know they could probably win,
it but they keep the. Path this is a wrong
path for.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Them so you Like embiid more THAN i. DO i like,
Him you Like harden more THAN i. Do Halla burton
has done Something embiid. Hasn't, yeah he's a better. Team
he's gonna be on his Second Eastern Conference finals as a.
Kid so you don't you're you're one of these overrated.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Guys, No i'm THE i wouldn't have called him. Already
he's one of those. Guys that's mind boggling because it
seems like he elevates his game in the. Playoffs i've
seen that now over multiple. Years he's, like he's Like
Jimmy butler in a. Way, yes you know What i'm,
Saying Like Jimmy, butler kind of like he gets through
the regular season his fringe all, star but then playoffs
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he just becomes this mega, superstar you. Know and that's
How halliburton M. M Good. Man good to see always.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The Great Paul, pierce The hall Of famer wobbling into
work today.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is the headline.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
NEWS i thought you might have asked some kid cunning
him with Benk.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Carroll NOW i THINK i Think Ben carroll's Got. OH
i love.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
HIM i love That. CARROL i love.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Him, kenny you're talking about him deep making a conference.
Final Thank carol hasn't won a playoff, Series, Dude Just carroll's.
Gone he's, great, dog, productive available You, no he's, not
won't play, defense doesn't get along with.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Teammates it's a fun, game. Right how About Kate.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Cunningham he's, close.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
He's, close.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's turning into.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
It wemby'll be a.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One oh he already won to? Me all? Right what all?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Right, Kyle let's get started with The Denver. Nuggets they
got blasted and by forty three points In game, two
series is even headed To denver for Tonight's game. Three
interim Coach David adelman spoke to the mindset his team
needs to have.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
If they want to bounce.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Back you can't just, say, hey let's just have a
mental day and move.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
On you know we're.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Good we, Split it's not the. Case if we want
to Win game, three things have to be. Different our
mentality has to be different one and two. Different mentality is.
DIFFERENT i think that allows you to be more impactful
with your. Adjustments so what you can do to them
to change the course of what we saw last. Night
so guys are, great like they've been communicative by the
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guys had thoughts on what they felt last, night and
that allows you to move on and do thinks better
Than mark.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah or.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Nay you got. Nuggets you know Ok c's favorite for a.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Reason ALL i said is when you said they were
going to sweep, HIM i, said nobody is Sweeping.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Denver too many good. Players it's. FUNNY i bashed the
thunder all.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Season THEN i fell for him right when the first
round dispatch of The Memphis, Grizzlies and Now i'm, like,
gosh these guys. Stink by the, way those jerseys you See,
yoki you see that bug on the bottom of the.
SCREEN i cannot stand those fifty Two it's so. Dumb
why do they wear?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
THOSE i don't like.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Them some of the worst jerseys out. There by the,
way the Old nuggets logo when you were like an
Alex english fan with The denver skyline Believer dan is
there you, Go danny, Shays, yes, dude that's What.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'M i have A Denver, YES i love. That, YEAH
i don't know. What The sonics had a little bit
of that, too O. Sonics, yeah that's.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Lot it was FIRE.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
U next, Up oh.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Look it's The cowboys And George. Pickens here's a new
angle for. You So pickens spoke about what it's going
to be like In, dallas and he, Said i'm worried
about coming here and trying to build a winning. Culture
me winning a national championship At, GEORGIA i definitely know
how to, Win colin that. Doesn't George pickens is on
a franchise that hasn't had a losing record Under Mike,
(18:24):
tomlin and he now wants to build a winning, franchise
a winning culture In. Dallas you Think Dak prescott And
Michael parsons are looking at him, like, bro what are
you talking? About we want to love and game three
years in a. Row what Is pickens? Delusional this goes
to your point earlier about how teams were laughing when
(18:46):
they were looking at.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Bickus Jeff howell, reported team just rolled their eyes. Up
this Is i'm telling you The. Cowboys Jerry jones is
becoming the Older Al.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Davis That Al davis analogy is going to be good this.
Year you'll be using that once a week when they're
flailing at six.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Twice we'll see other.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Season it was It Chase danuel on the show before
us was, like Hey cowboys this, year lookout you got
a pinpoint that for, ME.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I don't see it at. All Worth.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Place that might be a little, harsh but final story
is to your Boy Bo, nixt colin tremendous rookie season
enters ye or two trying to get back to the
playoffs and maybe get back to a Super.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Bowl With nix's, Success.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Former broncos Cornerback Chris Harris, junior he Says denver has
something they haven't had Since Peyton.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Manning he hangs with the.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Guys, yeah you, know he's the guy that you, know
players want to be, around and we haven't had a
guy that was a big recruiter other that.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Says Peyton, manning.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Right guys wanted everybody wanted to come to dinner when
we Had peyton. Right so now to be able to
have a guy like bo who's a cornerstone guy for.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Us we believe in them in the.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Franchise the players believe in, them but everybody in there
in the building believes in. Them so now everybody outside
that they feel that Energy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
BONEICKS a lot of people were down in the old.
BOASTER i wonder if this is shade At Russell. Wilson
nobody was hyped to go play With Russell.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
WILSON i find it hard to believe veterans are, LIKE
i can't wait to play With.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bonnicks, well Bon nicks isn't getting paid for four, years
so guys can go there and get. Paid that's why
guys like playing with rookie.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Quarterbacks that's one of the.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Reasons it's like then they can go recruit two or
Three all stars a.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Year so who you got in THE Hfc The West
Chargers Right chargers twelve, Wins denver And Kansas city in
the Ten win.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Territory Nick wright has no. Idea what's around the? CORNER
J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
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OH J max's got a little update From Cleveland brown's.
Camp what did you?
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HEAR? J? Mack, no you, know they're doing the eleven
on eleven seven on sevens And Dylan gabriel's leading off
every drill ahead Of.
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Shador sanders at Rookie.
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Minichamp shouldn't surprise, anybody but you, know that's gonna be
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yeah all. Right you know what we call.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It we're going Into games three and four starting. Tonight
we call it tomorrow's headlines, today what's that?
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HEADLINE Us pacers?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Series this is tough because you, know there's been one
guy in sports media who likes The Indiana pacers a.
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Lot he's sitting across from you right now running his.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Mouth the headline will Be, Hallelujah holy, Smokes tyrese is.
Him look at That, haliburton the Little pope reference. There i'm,
Sorry Pope pierce had a good. Point halliburton in the
playoffs is a different. Guy he's just a beast down
the stretch over, games the step back three right, here
the game winner over ties your.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Rome by the, way why start ties your rome guarding
him on an? Island give me a.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
BREAK i like The pacers a lot coming. IN i
like them in this in this. GAME i like them,
tonight AND i think you gotta, wonder Like Geez, Donovan,
Mitchell Evan, mobley all that great regular season up in
Smoke in basically a couple of games against The, Pacers
halliburton going back to the conference finals and they'll be
playing we'll See nicks Or.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Celtics tomorrow's headline for Those Burner nugget series goes now to.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Mile how you know you've got? Me you've been keep
with so, like keep an eye On, denver Bet.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Denver look. OUT i don't know IF i can get.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
There.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Colin we'll talk about it that headline will be chet
flicks and.
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Chill, okay se shares Shy fi. Password yes you. KNOW
i don't, Know. Matt something just tells me they're going
to turn it on.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
AGAIN i didn't watch a ton of game, too because
they were up by fifty in like the second.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Quarter but there's JUST i got questions About.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Denver you don't have as many Like Yo kitch obviously
could be a monster forty two and twenty two in game,
one But.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Colin they were down double digits in the fourth quarter
in that.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Game they needed a miraculous, rally some Misfree they needed
a lot to go their way just to steal. ONE
i don't know why you're so confident In.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Denver is it THAT i just THINK fifa they have
four good players in their, Prime Yo, Kitch Jamal, gordon
And Port those guys are all on their prime and
their playoff. Experience you're not sweeping this. Team they're gonna
win one of those home. Games they're winning one of.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Them, well if they Win game, three that puts a
lot of pressure on the young thunder WHO i, mean
they're turning to Like Alex caruso in Crunch time and Che.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Chad longran looked, Nervous he looked.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Terrified and he looked lost defensively when he gave up
the three To Aaron. Gordon in, Transition Jay dubb having
another terrible. Series by the, way he was not good
last year Against. Dallas go look it.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Up he ain't a number. Two Chet homegwerd's gonna have
to be the. Guy by the, way.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Chits possibly struggling because yo kich is leaning on him
all game.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Long chet's, like what two hundred ten?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Pounds yo kich is like two Sixty And chet looked
tired and worn.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Down at the end of that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
One tomorrow's headlines, Today Oh Celtics?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Nicks what say?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You as A knicks, FAN i should be, stoked But
colin Now i'm. Nervous now it's like you're playing with the.
Lead you gotta hold Off Mighty. Boston the, headline will
The boston book Smot New england nerds do their.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Homework we got Data tatum nerding it. OUT i think
The celtics Win game. Three.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
NOW i don't know if you see WHAT i saw
what dropped, today but there's a New superman movie coming
out and in the commercial they Use Jason tatas as
Clerk kent and he's got the glasses on and then
he rips open the.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Shirt can he Be superman? COMING i know he.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Can't, well they're going to play better down the. STRETCH
i think they're gonna tweak this and when they lead,
late they're just not gonna jack. THREES i, mean you got.
It You you have to evolve at some. Point these
games are. Circumstantial you can't just go this was our game.
Plan we're not.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Tweaking, yeah is he capable of?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Missoula i'm gonna be. HONEST i think he's in deep.
TROUBLE i think if they lose this, game he's. Toasted
at the end of the, all he's gonna get. Canned,
colin you go down three to The.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Knicks, well if you got swept by The, knicks.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Even a gentleman sweet he doesn't, Matter Like, colin that
cannot happen off a title with the same team they brought.
Back they were a juggernaut all season and he can't
make one adjustment in a series Against New. York New
york was in trouble Against. DETROIT i don't. Know i'm
worried About. Missoula BUT i do Think tatum comes. THROUGH
i think he's a. Superstar AND i looked this. Up
he averaged thirty three and a half points a game
(26:42):
in the regular season against The. Knicks it was his
tie for his best against any team in the. League
and now he has two bad games that we're tossing him.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Out he's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Fine those headline, TODAY i can guess this One Timberwolves warriors.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Series Steph curry's my.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Guy that's the one athlete THAT i wanted a picture
with THAT i. Got he went to my gym to work.
Out i'm A Steph curry. Guy without, HIM i don't
know what The warriors. Have the headline will be The
wolf of Ball. Street Aunt stock reaches all time.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
HIGH i think so.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Too he's had a rough series so, far and he
struggled at the end against The. Lakers he's been doing
a lot of. Talking, okay you keep mentioning in his
face of the. League all, Right he's doing a victory
lap after knocking out The, lakers doing these, videos just
running his mouth a little too.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Much we need to focus back on.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Hoops my one concern With Anthony edwards IS i think
he loves being a. Star he's got all these Ig
honey's all after. Him now he's starting to do some
stuff off the court that's getting some. Criticism it's tough
when you're a young, superstar big strapping, dude superstar in the. League,
like it's tough to just handle all. THAT i don't
know that he's handling it. WELL i do think though
(27:52):
they're fine in the series Against draymond and. Company but
If curry returns For game six and, seven, column Then
warriors will get back in the.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Series Without, CURRY i don't think they have a.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Chance tomorrow's headlines today, finally draft lottery On.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Monday. Big it is a big, week, right we got
THE nfl schedule.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Whatever by the, Way Chicago, bulls cross your.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
FINGERS i looked it. Up the bull are not top
five in terms of, odds so kiss.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Goodbye Cooper. Flag, however he will land.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Somewhere the headline will Be coop Deta charlotte seize his
control With carolina Leader. HOOP i love me S Cooper
flag going To carolina here he is Against Anthony davis
just roasted. HIM i think there's a good Fit Cooper
flag In. Carolina so the best odds Are Utah washington
(28:41):
And Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Washington IS i Take. UTAH i think they have a GOOD,
gm and they got a good, coach and they have
a couple of really good. Players the good.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Players in The.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
East man there's nobody good in The, east especially If
fiannis goes west this. Summer SO i Have Cooper flag
going To, charlotte and THEN i Have charlotte Trading LaMelo.
BALL i do not Want Cooper flag With. LaMelo that's
not gonna. Work Brandon miller's, good the young kid out Of.
Alabama he flash last year before the, injury AND i
Think Cooper flagg going to be a star in this.
League there's some pushback on staff about. THIS i think
(29:11):
he walks in and is instantly like a nineteen and
ten guy right out of.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
THERE i think he's absolutely eighteen and a, half seven
agen and a.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
HALF i, mean that's a really good year for what
a nineteen year old. Like he's going to be a.
Stud you looking at the odds, here seventy six ers
at five are. Interesting they got maxim.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
AND i, mean do we really want him to go
to The wizard's Hornets hey.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Listen The pelicans had their, chance they got. Zion they
butchered that. Badly you know you don't get another.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Chance you know.
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WHAT i am all for a frozen. Envelope i'll be
Rooting monday for a frozen. Envelope shoot wid a ping pong?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Ball you want?
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Up going To?
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Chicago they have a seven percent Chance collen The.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Bulls, Listen i'm just telling You Utah Chicago.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Spurs no? Stop how? Many how many times do This
spurs need to get? Superstars come?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
On do we Know yukon Guard wemby And Cooper. Flagg
that's a big time.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
TEAM i forgot The pelicans Got Anthony davis back in the.
Day they do not get any more number. Ones they
don't treat their players. GREAT i think The rockets would be.
Spicy let's, go let's go back to This.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Schadeur sanders not getting the rookie camp number one?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Snaps is there?
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Video by the, Way, NO i would love video to
not getting number one snaps In bill rookie mini. Camp
stefanski loves him. Some dylan Gabriel, man that's the word
out Of.
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Cleveland well that's the.
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Word, look he drafted a third round he's fired up
in the draft, Room.
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Shador gets picked fifth. Round you saw the.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Video we most people believe the owner Picked Shador. Sanders
that was not a staff. Decision, WELL i, Mean chadour is.
Legendary that draft room was so. Cringey i'm, sorry it
was just.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Cringey it was not a great. Look but you.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Probably shouldn't call yourself legendary before you an.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
EMPLOYEE i saw some funny memes that like it took
what two days to pick the pope And Scheduor sanders
had to.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Wait three days to be, Drafted like it's just not good.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Stuff people are coming after. Him you got to give
the guy a. Chance and you, know one on one
With Dylan, gabriel who's gonna win that? JOB i would
think it's ally.
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Go back To flacco wins the job By, Thanksgiving shadeur's
quarterback for The Cleveland.
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Brown Where's Kenny pickett in?
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This?
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SHEBOYGAN i don't think that's the. ANSWER i just don't
think that's the.
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Answer, yeah that's my.
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Take all.
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Right Ryan roussillo And Paul pierce were absolutely great. Today
J Max tomorrow headlines were as oh as. Stellar all,
right be Safe we'll see you On. Monday In, la
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Paul Pierce said he would walk to work if the
Celtics did not win Game two and the video was
all over Instagram. So and then, Paul, this is Paul
right here saying, you know, okay, I'll walk to it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Look at this.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Look how dark it is out five in the morning,
five in Look at that.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It took me seven hours. I'm still exhausted, can't you
tell this?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
So, by the way, when Paul finally arrived at work,
maybe you've seen this scene before, he had to be
a wheeled into world.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Brings back memories on seven hours.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
What are your feet? You outside? Fourteen fifteen feet off?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Feet are towards right now?
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Here's my thing.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It's one thing to blow a twenty point lead in
game one. I didn't look at that. It's embarrassing. I said, listen,
you led by twenty. You beat this team all year.
What am I supposed to make of that offense in
the last eight minutes of game two at home?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You know what coming. That's a mindset, truthfully, that has
nothing to do with game planning. That's a mindset. So
many like, the game plan is there, you go up twenty,
the game plan is there's nothing Missoula, nothing more he
can do. The game plan is there, The blueprint is there.
Y'all did it all year long, y'all, y'all go about
(01:50):
the game print for three quarters and this all of
a sudden, just mental laps in the fourth quarter. That's
all it is. It's not it's not xos as alls
at this.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Point, why doesn't Tatum and I've said, I understand the
fascination and the analytics and Brad Stevens building a three
point shooting roster. But at some point, and I've said this,
Michael and Kobe and Paul Pierce would have pushed back
and said, guys, I'm getting a basket for sure. I
think Jason is too collaborative. Dude, grab the ball and
(02:25):
take it to the basket four or five times in
a row. Even his last shot left side fall away.
Is it fair to say he has to be convinced
to be a dog.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
That's fair at times because I feel like that about him,
you know, because I see it. I know it's in them,
because I've seen it a bunch of times.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I mean, you just don't become a first team All
NBA player without some of it. Yes, exactly. I mean
talent could take you so far, I get it, but
mentality can take you further. And the guys that you
talk about have it all the time and never cut
it off. Sometimes I feel like he goes away, he
forgets about it. Yeah, and that has to be constantly
(03:07):
reminded to be that way.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay, the NBA is allowing a very physical playoff brand.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I love it. Yeah, so do I.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And for the record, that's why you flourished in the playoffs.
You were a physical player. You played defense. Can I
argue that this level of physicality Chris Fnch and Steve Kerr.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Like this is the next level that it?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Actually, I could argue benefits the less talented team. This
is going to be a close series because the Knicks
aren't pretty, the Celtics are pretty.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Anybody can pass me. The Knicks aren't.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And when you let og grab and lean that the
new officiating leans into New York's favor.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, you know what. You know what's so crazy about
the I always said when I played on teams that
weren't wasn't as good, I said, we have to do
something different. When I played at the Part, when I
played at AU, when I played in high school, when
we weren't a better team that team, I said, you
got you know what, guys, And this was the game plan.
This was always the game plan, Colline, since I've been
a kid, I said, we gotta junk up the game,
(04:11):
junk it up. We gotta junk the game up. And
by saying that, we gotta foul, we gotta grab, we
gotta push, we gotta do things that they not used
to doing. We gotta take this game to the playgrounds.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
So this is what we said about the Knicks. The
playground is beating the classroom. Yes, and the Knicks are
a playground team and the other guys are math guys.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Absolutely, that's exactly what you see right here. And that's
the only way you bring a team that's up here
to you down to your level. You junk it up
It's like a boxing match, you know what I'm saying,
Like a guy was more talented. But then you start grabbing, holding,
you know, doing things that this better boxer just not
used to doing. And you junk it up, body blows,
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body bulg grabbing, holding, elbow, ahead button. You start doing things,
and that's what the nigs are doing, right so the cels.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, I said this. I was very reluctant to
say Jalen Brunson's a one, but I gotta tell you
one is about durability and toughness and resilience and dog. Yeah,
I think he's a one.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, I have.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yes, Here's what I say. There's four things to be
a one. Okay, productivity, Ken average nine a game. You
have to be emotionally and physically ready to play every night.
You have to be durable Kawhi Leonard's available thirty eight.
That's not a why I can't build around you. And four,
you have to have a dog. You gotta be a
dog at least some of the time. You gotta want
to close. You can't run from the shot. And then
(05:47):
I look at him and I go, Okay, I'm not
saying he's Lebron in his prime. I'm not saying he's
Paul Pierce. I'm not saying he's Tatum. But what Box doesn't.
He's a great closer, He's productive, he's durable, he's emotionally
always available. There are no he has bad games. He
never has a no show game.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I just like Jyllen Brunson is an amazing player. He's
one of the top point guards. I would love him
to be the next Olympic team when it gets to LA.
I just don't think he can be your best player
on a championship.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Team one A. He can be one A. Jannis goes
to New York, he can be.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The okay, right, if he'll have the ball more.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Than Yannis, he'll hit the free throws late over Yannis.
Yannis will be the force.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Like Kobe and Shaq. You know what I'm saying. Kobe
was the finisher, but we all knew Shaq was dominant
and all of that. Yeah, I agree, But like I
just point guards as good as they are, as good
as he is, I don't think a point guard can
be your best player. Now, if your point guard is
your best player on the championship team, that means he's
an all time great. I'm talking about top.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Tens, stef magic, Isaiah that that, and.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
That comes around almost never. You have to have the
dynamic wing. I say this all the time. Their dynamic
wing has to be your best player on a championship.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I most agree.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, yeah and so. But as good as he is,
and they may get out of the series with the Celtics,
I just think they're missing one piece and it could
be like a Yannis in New York.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Okay, so I have defended Draymond Green for a long time.
I've said this. The three villains in league history that
I watched were Rodman, Lambier, and Draymond. They leaned into it.
They are comfortable being it. Lamber and Draymond are better
offensively than Rodman. They take your best offensive player. They're
(07:41):
going to ugly up the game. They're going to get technicals,
they will be Fans will be the rudest and sometimes
inappropriate toward them. Aggression meets aggression, but I don't so
when Draymond says the league is he feels the league
is picking on him. My take is, Bro, you chose
to be the wrestling heel.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, Draymond he definitely chose that.
Like I watched his antics and I see it. I
know how guys do, and he like he's flailing purposely
because I've seen it. I've been I've been in the
game where guys do that, and yeah, he's definitely embraced it.
(08:22):
But this has to be a point where he should
study Dennis Robin because Dennis Roman was so good at
getting under your skin without all the extras, like I
used to force Alonso Morning to get technicals or Karl Malone,
like you know, he was standing at the free throw
line stare at him, little stuff like that, like he
would just get under their skin. I used to watch
(08:44):
Robin like, dang, he not even doing all the bullcrap
stuff like Draymond elbowing, but he's under this guy's skin
and he is out of his game right now. And
I think Draymon should study that because that's he's like
the new generation.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
That Draymond's a little more Bill lambering.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, he's more like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Was there ever a place? Obviously when you came you
were from La so you were a real villain even
though you were a Celtic. Like a lot of people
that loved you in LA. Did you ever go into
any arena and feel like, man, they hate me here.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Oh man, a lot of arenas Man, Indiana, Toronto. I'll
never forget that because when I got to Washington, I
said something prior to the playoffs, and I just remember
when I got introduced, it was booze. But I like,
I just think being a Celtic is you're a villain.
Like it doesn't even matter, like how we talk about Tatum,
(09:41):
how we talked about Larry Bird and all constant. The
best Celtics were always just like it was always the
villain Celtic and it always carried you wherever you went.
It carried me when I left Boston, you know, in Brooklyn,
I got booed at the All Star Game here now
I did. I got introduced with the three point contest.
(10:04):
I was the defending three point champ. And I came
back and the next year was in LA and they
introduced me in they boom and I was like, damn,
Like I'm from down Street, round the way, so I mean,
I never bothered me, but that that was probably the
only time that bothered me because it was the All
Star Game and I'm like these everybody here's not LA
(10:25):
fans like, come on.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
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Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so I did this list earlier. J Mac didn't
love it. I said, don't. Just because a guy scores
James Harden doesn't mean he's a one. I need guys
that play both ends. I need guys that are available emotionally, physically.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
I need dog And the truth is this is my
current list. Now. Butler may have been that four years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
So my sixth the best sidekicks Brown, Butler, Durant, Kawhi, Homegren, Davis,
Davis just offensively. I'm not quite sure what I get.
Night tonight, you said to me, well, where's Lebron?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, Lebron should be on this list Top NBA sidekicks.
Jamal Murray should be on this list.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
No, Jamal and Booker were my next two.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Okay, Okay, Well, definitely Lebron.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Now, so you think Lebron is a two?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah. I witnessed it the last thirty games
of the season. I saw Luca take over the dynamics
of the of the of the Lakers, become the guy
number one in Jersey sales cheered amongst the fans, and Lebron'
sk the back seat, and that's what pushed him to
the number three seed in the West.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So I argue, there are twenty ones in the league.
Jmax like, there's twenty no, okay, So let's do it again.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
So he said Haliburton, and I said, that's.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
A no, not a one. What are we talking about?
One's coline?
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Okay one one? Productive o one?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Is he canny be the best player on a championship team?
That's a one to me.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You don't think Halliburton can win the title?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
I think he can win the title. But can he
be the best player on a championship team?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They win tonight, he's gonna be in the Eastern Conference
finals against the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Can be the best player on a championship.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Well, then there's like four in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's only four or five that can win it every year.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Those are the only ones. So you're telling me, do
you do you?
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Okay? Let me let me think about this.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Hold on. You think that team can win? Yes, it's
joker A one always the best player in the.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
World, Yes, Horda contenders.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Joannis okay, okay, Tatum, Yeah, he's so.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Brown won the m v P. Okay, but we all
know it's an A one.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Absolutely, Okay. I think is Kawhi no not no more?
Got to give me more than forty games?
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, not no more.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So you don't think so like I think leadership matters.
I never thought Harden was a one. He didn't defend
by May and June. He was so worn out because
he had the ball in his hands. I never thought
he was a one. I thought he was a great
number two.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
To parent him with somebody else, he could have won it.
He didn't have a good parent.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
How about Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's a good one right there.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
I think he's one.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I'm conflicted with Donovan Mitchell because of his size at six'
four sixty. Three that conflicts.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Me, Okay So i'll tell you WHAT i never. THOUGHT
i don't buy into mb'd even when he was. HEALTHIER
i think he disrupts your. OFFENSE i think he's. MOODY
i think he was not, available never been to a conference,
championships and When lebron left The east and it was wide,
open couldn't win his second playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
SERIES i think he's been an m V p in this,
league there's the formula to win it. All you have
to have AN mvp. Candidate that was.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
A wobbly M. Vp that was one yo. Kitch everybody
was like, me.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Could have got, it could have got but he was
still first. Team.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
All shouldn't you have to win a second playoff series
in The. East i'm not asking.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Mommy he had to run into The. Celtics that was
that Was that's, like that's Like baltimore or or The
Buffalo bills keep having to run into each, other or
or Or Kansas. City we all know they could probably win,
it but they keep the. Path this is a wrong
path for.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Them so you Like embiid more THAN i. DO i like,
Him you Like harden more THAN i. Do Halla burton
has done Something embiid. Hasn't, yeah he's a better. Team
he's gonna be on his Second Eastern Conference finals as a.
Kid so you don't you're you're one of these overrated.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Guys, No i'm THE i wouldn't have called him. Already
he's one of those. Guys that's mind boggling because it
seems like he elevates his game in the. Playoffs i've
seen that now over multiple. Years he's, like he's Like
Jimmy butler in a. Way, yes you know What i'm,
Saying Like Jimmy, butler kind of like he gets through
the regular season his fringe all, star but then playoffs
(15:20):
he just becomes this mega, superstar you. Know and that's
How halliburton M. M Good. Man good to see always.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The Great Paul, pierce The hall Of famer wobbling into
work today.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Is the headline.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
NEWS i thought you might have asked some kid cunning
him with Benk.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Carroll NOW i THINK i Think Ben carroll's Got. OH
i love.
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HIM i love That. CARROL i love.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Him, kenny you're talking about him deep making a conference.
Final Thank carol hasn't won a playoff, Series, Dude Just carroll's.
Gone he's, great, dog, productive available You, no he's, not
won't play, defense doesn't get along with.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Teammates it's a fun, game. Right how About Kate.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Cunningham he's, close.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
He's, close.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
He's turning into.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
It wemby'll be a.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One oh he already won to? Me all? Right what all?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Right, Kyle let's get started with The Denver. Nuggets they
got blasted and by forty three points In game, two
series is even headed To denver for Tonight's game. Three
interim Coach David adelman spoke to the mindset his team
needs to have.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
If they want to bounce.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Back you can't just, say, hey let's just have a
mental day and move.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
On you know we're.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Good we, Split it's not the. Case if we want
to Win game, three things have to be. Different our
mentality has to be different one and two. Different mentality is.
DIFFERENT i think that allows you to be more impactful
with your. Adjustments so what you can do to them
to change the course of what we saw last. Night
so guys are, great like they've been communicative by the
(17:05):
guys had thoughts on what they felt last, night and
that allows you to move on and do thinks better
Than mark.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah or.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Nay you got. Nuggets you know Ok c's favorite for a.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Reason ALL i said is when you said they were
going to sweep, HIM i, said nobody is Sweeping.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Denver too many good. Players it's. FUNNY i bashed the
thunder all.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Season THEN i fell for him right when the first
round dispatch of The Memphis, Grizzlies and Now i'm, like,
gosh these guys. Stink by the, way those jerseys you See,
yoki you see that bug on the bottom of the.
SCREEN i cannot stand those fifty Two it's so. Dumb
why do they wear?
Speaker 4 (17:41):
THOSE i don't like.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Them some of the worst jerseys out. There by the,
way the Old nuggets logo when you were like an
Alex english fan with The denver skyline Believer dan is
there you, Go danny, Shays, yes, dude that's What.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I'M i have A Denver, YES i love. That, YEAH
i don't know. What The sonics had a little bit
of that, too O. Sonics, yeah that's.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Lot it was FIRE.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
U next, Up oh.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Look it's The cowboys And George. Pickens here's a new
angle for. You So pickens spoke about what it's going
to be like In, dallas and he, Said i'm worried
about coming here and trying to build a winning. Culture
me winning a national championship At, GEORGIA i definitely know
how to, Win colin that. Doesn't George pickens is on
a franchise that hasn't had a losing record Under Mike,
(18:24):
tomlin and he now wants to build a winning, franchise
a winning culture In. Dallas you Think Dak prescott And
Michael parsons are looking at him, like, bro what are
you talking? About we want to love and game three
years in a. Row what Is pickens? Delusional this goes
to your point earlier about how teams were laughing when
(18:46):
they were looking at.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
It.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Bickus Jeff howell, reported team just rolled their eyes. Up
this Is i'm telling you The. Cowboys Jerry jones is
becoming the Older Al.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Davis That Al davis analogy is going to be good this.
Year you'll be using that once a week when they're
flailing at six.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Twice we'll see other.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Season it was It Chase danuel on the show before
us was, like Hey cowboys this, year lookout you got
a pinpoint that for, ME.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I don't see it at. All Worth.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Place that might be a little, harsh but final story
is to your Boy Bo, nixt colin tremendous rookie season
enters ye or two trying to get back to the
playoffs and maybe get back to a Super.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Bowl With nix's, Success.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Former broncos Cornerback Chris Harris, junior he Says denver has
something they haven't had Since Peyton.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Manning he hangs with the.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Guys, yeah you, know he's the guy that you, know
players want to be, around and we haven't had a
guy that was a big recruiter other that.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Says Peyton, manning.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
Right guys wanted everybody wanted to come to dinner when
we Had peyton. Right so now to be able to
have a guy like bo who's a cornerstone guy for.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Us we believe in them in the.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Franchise the players believe in, them but everybody in there
in the building believes in. Them so now everybody outside
that they feel that Energy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
BONEICKS a lot of people were down in the old.
BOASTER i wonder if this is shade At Russell. Wilson
nobody was hyped to go play With Russell.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
WILSON i find it hard to believe veterans are, LIKE
i can't wait to play With.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Bonnicks, well Bon nicks isn't getting paid for four, years
so guys can go there and get. Paid that's why
guys like playing with rookie.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Quarterbacks that's one of the.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Reasons it's like then they can go recruit two or
Three all stars a.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Year so who you got in THE Hfc The West
Chargers Right chargers twelve, Wins denver And Kansas city in
the Ten win.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Territory Nick wright has no. Idea what's around the? CORNER
J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
News, well that's the, news and thanks for stopping By
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Speaker 1 (20:52):
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Speaker 3 (22:00):
Rich.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
OH J max's got a little update From Cleveland brown's.
Camp what did you?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
HEAR? J? Mack, no you, know they're doing the eleven
on eleven seven on sevens And Dylan gabriel's leading off
every drill ahead Of.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Shador sanders at Rookie.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Minichamp shouldn't surprise, anybody but you, know that's gonna be
a big storyline for some of These shedure fanboys.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
In the, media and there are a lot of. Them oh, yeah,
yeah all. Right you know what we call.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It we're going Into games three and four starting. Tonight
we call it tomorrow's headlines, today what's that?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
HEADLINE Us pacers?
Speaker 5 (22:36):
Series this is tough because you, know there's been one
guy in sports media who likes The Indiana pacers a.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Lot he's sitting across from you right now running his.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Mouth the headline will Be, Hallelujah holy, Smokes tyrese is.
Him look at That, haliburton the Little pope reference. There i'm,
Sorry Pope pierce had a good. Point halliburton in the
playoffs is a different. Guy he's just a beast down
the stretch over, games the step back three right, here
the game winner over ties your.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Rome by the, way why start ties your rome guarding
him on an? Island give me a.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
BREAK i like The pacers a lot coming. IN i
like them in this in this. GAME i like them,
tonight AND i think you gotta, wonder Like Geez, Donovan,
Mitchell Evan, mobley all that great regular season up in
Smoke in basically a couple of games against The, Pacers
halliburton going back to the conference finals and they'll be
playing we'll See nicks Or.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Celtics tomorrow's headline for Those Burner nugget series goes now to.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Mile how you know you've got? Me you've been keep
with so, like keep an eye On, denver Bet.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
Denver look. OUT i don't know IF i can get.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
There.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Colin we'll talk about it that headline will be chet
flicks and.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Chill, okay se shares Shy fi. Password yes you. KNOW
i don't, Know. Matt something just tells me they're going
to turn it on.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
AGAIN i didn't watch a ton of game, too because
they were up by fifty in like the second.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Quarter but there's JUST i got questions About.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Denver you don't have as many Like Yo kitch obviously
could be a monster forty two and twenty two in game,
one But.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Colin they were down double digits in the fourth quarter
in that.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Game they needed a miraculous, rally some Misfree they needed
a lot to go their way just to steal. ONE
i don't know why you're so confident In.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Denver is it THAT i just THINK fifa they have
four good players in their, Prime Yo, Kitch Jamal, gordon
And Port those guys are all on their prime and
their playoff. Experience you're not sweeping this. Team they're gonna
win one of those home. Games they're winning one of.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Them, well if they Win game, three that puts a
lot of pressure on the young thunder WHO i, mean
they're turning to Like Alex caruso in Crunch time and Che.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Chad longran looked, Nervous he looked.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Terrified and he looked lost defensively when he gave up
the three To Aaron. Gordon in, Transition Jay dubb having
another terrible. Series by the, way he was not good
last year Against. Dallas go look it.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Up he ain't a number. Two Chet homegwerd's gonna have
to be the. Guy by the, way.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Chits possibly struggling because yo kich is leaning on him
all game.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Long chet's, like what two hundred ten?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Pounds yo kich is like two Sixty And chet looked
tired and worn.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Down at the end of that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
One tomorrow's headlines, Today Oh Celtics?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Nicks what say?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
You as A knicks, FAN i should be, stoked But
colin Now i'm. Nervous now it's like you're playing with the.
Lead you gotta hold Off Mighty. Boston the, headline will
The boston book Smot New england nerds do their.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Homework we got Data tatum nerding it. OUT i think
The celtics Win game. Three.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
NOW i don't know if you see WHAT i saw
what dropped, today but there's a New superman movie coming
out and in the commercial they Use Jason tatas as
Clerk kent and he's got the glasses on and then
he rips open the.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Shirt can he Be superman? COMING i know he.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Can't, well they're going to play better down the. STRETCH
i think they're gonna tweak this and when they lead,
late they're just not gonna jack. THREES i, mean you got.
It You you have to evolve at some. Point these
games are. Circumstantial you can't just go this was our game.
Plan we're not.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Tweaking, yeah is he capable of?
Speaker 3 (26:09):
That.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Missoula i'm gonna be. HONEST i think he's in deep.
TROUBLE i think if they lose this, game he's. Toasted
at the end of the, all he's gonna get. Canned,
colin you go down three to The.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Knicks, well if you got swept by The, knicks.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
Even a gentleman sweet he doesn't, Matter Like, colin that
cannot happen off a title with the same team they brought.
Back they were a juggernaut all season and he can't
make one adjustment in a series Against New. York New
york was in trouble Against. DETROIT i don't. Know i'm
worried About. Missoula BUT i do Think tatum comes. THROUGH
i think he's a. Superstar AND i looked this. Up
he averaged thirty three and a half points a game
(26:42):
in the regular season against The. Knicks it was his
tie for his best against any team in the. League
and now he has two bad games that we're tossing him.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Out he's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Fine those headline, TODAY i can guess this One Timberwolves warriors.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Series Steph curry's my.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Guy that's the one athlete THAT i wanted a picture
with THAT i. Got he went to my gym to work.
Out i'm A Steph curry. Guy without, HIM i don't
know what The warriors. Have the headline will be The
wolf of Ball. Street Aunt stock reaches all time.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
HIGH i think so.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Too he's had a rough series so, far and he
struggled at the end against The. Lakers he's been doing
a lot of. Talking, okay you keep mentioning in his
face of the. League all, Right he's doing a victory
lap after knocking out The, lakers doing these, videos just
running his mouth a little too.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Much we need to focus back on.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Hoops my one concern With Anthony edwards IS i think
he loves being a. Star he's got all these Ig
honey's all after. Him now he's starting to do some
stuff off the court that's getting some. Criticism it's tough
when you're a young, superstar big strapping, dude superstar in the. League,
like it's tough to just handle all. THAT i don't
know that he's handling it. WELL i do think though
(27:52):
they're fine in the series Against draymond and. Company but
If curry returns For game six and, seven, column Then
warriors will get back in the.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Series Without, CURRY i don't think they have a.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Chance tomorrow's headlines today, finally draft lottery On.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Monday. Big it is a big, week, right we got
THE nfl schedule.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Whatever by the, Way Chicago, bulls cross your.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
FINGERS i looked it. Up the bull are not top
five in terms of, odds so kiss.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
It.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Goodbye Cooper. Flag, however he will land.
Speaker 5 (28:21):
Somewhere the headline will Be coop Deta charlotte seize his
control With carolina Leader. HOOP i love me S Cooper
flag going To carolina here he is Against Anthony davis
just roasted. HIM i think there's a good Fit Cooper
flag In. Carolina so the best odds Are Utah washington
(28:41):
And Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Washington IS i Take. UTAH i think they have a GOOD,
gm and they got a good, coach and they have
a couple of really good. Players the good.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Players in The.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
East man there's nobody good in The, east especially If
fiannis goes west this. Summer SO i Have Cooper flag
going To, charlotte and THEN i Have charlotte Trading LaMelo.
BALL i do not Want Cooper flag With. LaMelo that's
not gonna. Work Brandon miller's, good the young kid out Of.
Alabama he flash last year before the, injury AND i
Think Cooper flagg going to be a star in this.
League there's some pushback on staff about. THIS i think
(29:11):
he walks in and is instantly like a nineteen and
ten guy right out of.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
THERE i think he's absolutely eighteen and a, half seven
agen and a.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
HALF i, mean that's a really good year for what
a nineteen year old. Like he's going to be a.
Stud you looking at the odds, here seventy six ers
at five are. Interesting they got maxim.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
AND i, mean do we really want him to go
to The wizard's Hornets hey.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Listen The pelicans had their, chance they got. Zion they
butchered that. Badly you know you don't get another.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Chance you know.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
WHAT i am all for a frozen. Envelope i'll be
Rooting monday for a frozen. Envelope shoot wid a ping pong?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Ball you want?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Up going To?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Chicago they have a seven percent Chance collen The.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Bulls, Listen i'm just telling You Utah Chicago.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Spurs no? Stop how? Many how many times do This
spurs need to get? Superstars come?
Speaker 1 (29:59):
On do we Know yukon Guard wemby And Cooper. Flagg
that's a big time.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
TEAM i forgot The pelicans Got Anthony davis back in the.
Day they do not get any more number. Ones they
don't treat their players. GREAT i think The rockets would be.
Spicy let's, go let's go back to This.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Schadeur sanders not getting the rookie camp number one?
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Snaps is there?
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Video by the, Way, NO i would love video to
not getting number one snaps In bill rookie mini. Camp
stefanski loves him. Some dylan Gabriel, man that's the word
out Of.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Cleveland well that's the.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Word, look he drafted a third round he's fired up
in the draft, Room.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Shador gets picked fifth. Round you saw the.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Video we most people believe the owner Picked Shador. Sanders
that was not a staff. Decision, WELL i, Mean chadour is.
Legendary that draft room was so. Cringey i'm, sorry it
was just.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Cringey it was not a great. Look but you.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Probably shouldn't call yourself legendary before you an.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
EMPLOYEE i saw some funny memes that like it took
what two days to pick the pope And Scheduor sanders
had to.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Wait three days to be, Drafted like it's just not good.
Speaker 5 (31:09):
Stuff people are coming after. Him you got to give
the guy a. Chance and you, know one on one
With Dylan, gabriel who's gonna win that? JOB i would
think it's ally.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Go back To flacco wins the job By, Thanksgiving shadeur's
quarterback for The Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Brown Where's Kenny pickett in?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
This?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
SHEBOYGAN i don't think that's the. ANSWER i just don't
think that's the.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Answer, yeah that's my.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Take all.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right Ryan roussillo And Paul pierce were absolutely great. Today
J Max tomorrow headlines were as oh as. Stellar all,
right be Safe we'll see you On. Monday In, la
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