July 29, 2024 • 28 mins
Pro Bowl wide receiver and FOX Sports NFL analyst TJ Houshmandzadeh sits down with Colin to chat about the quarterback competition in Pittsburgh, expectations for Jim Harbaugh in his first year in Los Angeles, and much more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio TJ. Hushman Zada over a
decade in the NFL. It's interesting. Some of the stuff
we were just talking about we can't talk about. But
we can't talk about some stuff. So I'm gonna throw
this out to you. So if you go look, I
think Russell Wilson's better than Justin Fields. I'll stay that.
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But if you go look at their numbers the last
two years, and Justin's had a defensive coach and Russell's
had two offensive coaches, their numbers are pretty much even.
So here's my take. Justin's younger, not rich, more relatable,
more fun, and will blow people at practice. Russell's more quiet, adult, wealthy,
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not as relatable, brand new in the locker room. We
know his history and my take and I could be
totally wrong. My take is is that Justin's gonna have
the players, Russell's gonna have the coaches. And after about
a two game losing streak that Pittsburgh schedule a week
ken On is burrutal. Justin's gonna get a lot more
snaps than people think. Am I nuts?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, you aren't.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And the coaches would want to go with Russell Wilson
just because he's done it before. He's won a Super
Bowl before, So we're gonna can he Can he recapture.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
His old self with us? Can he do that?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But if he can't, and the Russell Wilson we've seen,
I mean, Russell Wilson didn't play bad last year.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The defense for Denver was terrorble.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They didn't play He didn't play bad last year, but
the year prior would hack it he was awful. And
so now it's can Russell play? Was it Pete Carroll?
Was it his system? Then that defense that really made
Russell Wilson look better? Justin Fields is talented. Can he
throw an anticipation? Can he throw a timing and not
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hold the ball? If he can do that, because the
new officer coordinator is.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
A really good coach, Arthur Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Arthur Smith being a former head coach, But if you
look when he was in Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill, Kenny
Hill was really good. Yes, And so you want to
run the ball, you want to play action. You have
a receiver out there, and George Pickens that's gonna win
his one on ones the jump ball with him. They
fifty fifty balls, they're eighty twoitty with George Pickens. And
so Tomlin and that coaching staff will want to go
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with Russell Wilson. But if he falters it any bit,
I can see justin Field starting eight nine games this season.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I can too, especially in the back end of that schedule.
And also not not that Pittsburgh would Tomlin, but I
could see. I could see Tomlin. He'll get a lot
of heat. He's got it increasingly. He was a little
more patient with Kenny Pickett when most of us bailed
after about ten starts. So I just I just think
it's something to keep your eye on because you've been
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in locker rooms before. Sometimes. I mean, you tell me
all the year's Bengals, Seahawks, Ravens, Raiders is the locker
room All was absolutely sure that the best quarterback is
playing well for me? Yeah, you had.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Carson, Yeah, we had Carson, so it was no question.
And I go to Seattle was Houselbeck is no question?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And so I will say this, as players, you know
who you feel should be playing. I mean, I've seen
some guys get cut and I'm like, whoa they cut him?
This dude could play. Yeah, but at the quarterback position,
if you're winning, you're cool. Start losing games because there's
always three or four dudes.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In the locker room. They don't care who's around, what coach,
the owner. They just say whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, I play with dudes that literally would tell
a coach at halftime of a game, you don't know
what the hell you doing. This dude ain't even playing
like you just get players. They just don't care. They
have no filter. They just say whatever. And so if
you start losing, guys will start talking and say I
feel like Field should be playing, and then it's just
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it's a snowball.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah yeah, you right, I do think he should be playing.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And if you start to get that, you're gonna separate
the locker the locker room, and it can become a problem.
But in that division, you got Joe Burrow, you got
Lamar Jackson. If Deshaun Watson returns the form. It's an
uphill battle. Pittsburgh has that defense that will keep them
in games, but it's an uphill battle for the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So you spent some time with the Chargers. So Jim
at San Diego, Niners, Michigan, this is what he does overnight.
He turns it around like a lot of coaches, even
Saban took like three years for them. His second year
he got waxed by Utah. Most great coaches take two
three years to turn it around. What's the secret sauce
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with Horrba to do it. He took over a mess
at Michigan, a mess with the Niners instantly good.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He's smart.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He can relate to players, anybody that goes to their practice.
He has his Jordan cleets own and he might get
under center sometimes and participating in practice. They do a
lot of post practice lifts and runs. He's doing it
with the players. You think he out there, baby, Dan Campbell,
you know he's doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Let you in on a little There's a lot of
coaches in the league that teach you football, but when
it comes to getting you better at your position, there's
not many. And we as players. You know that when
you have a coach like Harball, you believe in him.
You trust when he tells you this is the look
we're going to get, and this is how we're going
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to handle that look.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You trust and believe it. You don't second guess it.
So as soon as you see that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Look, what you've gone over in practice second nature, you
believe it. You go certain coaches you don't believe it,
You second guess it, And so it just doesn't smoke
flow as smoothly. The play doesn't go off the way
you want it because you're not believing it. And if
I'm not believing it, the guy next to me probably isn't.
The guy next to him probably is it. And so
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when you have somebody like Horrorball that everybody knows what
you just said, University of San Diego, Stanford, Michigan, the
forty nine Ers, now the Chargers, he's going to turn
it around. So when he tells you something, you're going
to believe it and you trust it because his track
record is proven.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That So Jamar Chase not practicing of Brandon Ayuk is
but he's unhappy a hold in. Does that stuff? Does
it affect anything? The players talk or is it just
same old he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It can become a problem. It can.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It really depends on how the player handles it. Meaning
if Jamar Chase is not practicing because he wants a
new deal and he's just kind of cool about it,
but he's just not practicing, it's fine. But if you
start having bad body language, you start saying certain things
to certain players, then it will become a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And I just don't understand teams. I don't I don't
understand teams.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
If I know somebody is in my future, if you're
going to be on my team for a long time,
the sooner I sign you, the less expensive it is
for my team to corporate. I don't understand why they wait.
The Eagles are the best at this. The Eagles get
guys signed like Drey Jones. You didn't think Ceedee Lamb
was gonna be a part of the future. Sign him
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a long time ago. Now you gotta give you more.
And Dak the same thing with d You better sign
Michael Parsons now because somebody's gonna leap fraud what he
wants and now you're going to have to give him more than that.
And so back to Jamar chasing ba. If he's a
part of your future, just pay him. Because we're humans.
You walk around, there's days, you have good days. You're
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gonna be pissed off like bro like bad body language,
and the coach is not gonna say like, coach is
not gonna say anything to you if you're the player
that will snap back because certain guys they're just not
going back down for it, no matter who the coach is.
So now you've created a problem because the player wants
to get paid. So it really depends on if the
player can be a true professional and handle it each
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day the way he should, but that is very hard
to do.
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Speaker 1 (08:43):
So you've had you've made multiple predictions through the years
on quarterbacks that you've trained with, or you know, you're
the one that said Justin Herbert's going to be a star,
Joe Burrow's going to be a star. So you know,
Josh Allen, you called all these guys. We got five
new quarterbacks this year. We got bon Necks and Michael
Pennix and JJ McCarthy and Kayleb Williams and Jaden Daniels
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and what's the kid at North Carolina?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Drake May?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Drake May? I think he's a project. Give me a jet.
If I said, you don't have to tell me where
you get your information. But if I said to you,
this blank guy is gonna work and it may work quick.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I'll give you two guys that I believe will work
and work quick. Is Cayleb Williams and bow Nicks?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Interesting? Caleb Williams and Bonick. So let's start with bow
because that may surprise people. Why is that going to
work quickly?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You're what a coach that has always had success with quarterbacks,
and he started so many games in.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
College sixty one, he.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Started so many games in college like four years, like
every year, and then the COVID year.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Two conferences, so he had a bunch of different coordinators.
So I mean bo Nick has dealt with three coaches,
five coordinators, two conferences.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He's going to be successful because he's seen a lot.
He's ready to play right now. And you're with a
coach that has proved I can win with almost anybody.
I mean Sean Payne was.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Winning games with Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Hill and at a high level. Yeah, and so I
believe bow Knicks will be fine. He has Troy Franklin,
a familiar face as a receiver that he played with
in college.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Also, for the record, I think MEM's in Courtland. I
think Courtland Sutton. He may be a lower end one,
but I love Courtland.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean he kind of held out he wanted more money,
which I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
But he's a good player. But bow Knicks is I
believe he's going to play well. I mean, if you
look at the amount of starts he had in college,
very rarely with a guy with this many starts at
the highest level of college football on the SEC in
the Pac twelve, which was the best conference last season.
I believe he'll be successful in Kayler Williams speaks for himself,
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dude can just play and what you know?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Lsu well. I think Jayden Daniels has a little Lamar Jackson.
I think he's probably more refined at this point in
his life in the pocket, but not quite as fast.
What is he a little finn? What do you make
of it?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Jaye Daniels can play man trained with us the entire
last year. I mean, Jake Daniels probably two hundred and
ten pounds when Jayden's first started, probably one seventy five.
He's accurate. You want to play Wooding as a player.
The way he carries himself, you want to play wood
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him a personable dude. The only concern I would have
is with dan Quinn being a defensive coach, is he
gonna be making some of the cause, meaning, Hey, I
just want to run the ball here, we'll punt the ball.
And yeah, he's not calling to play, but you you
technically are calling the play. Just what kind of leash
are you gonna have or you gonna let him play
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or you're gonna try to play games safe and hope
your defense can win it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And so that may be my my only concern.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I heard Cliff Kingsbury really pushed hard for Jade and
Daniels with a number two pick. That Cliff was like,
that kid's good.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
When you look at the improvements that he made each
year in college is remarkable. If LSU has a good defense,
state they're playing in a college football playoff. Last year,
he was that good last year, and so you statistically
it was better than what Joe Burrow did.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Joe Brow just.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Had a ton of NFL guys on defense, whereas Jade
Daniels didn't. And you can look at it and say, man,
this guy's gonna play. We know two or three these
guys aren't gonna play well. But if I had to
pick two, it would be those guys because of the
situation that bow Knicks is in. And you look at
the weapons that Caleb Williams have and that he has
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to play with, and Chicago's defense was very good down
the stretch last season.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
TJ. Hushmanzada, he'll be on us speak today at five
eastern on FS one. Great Seniors always.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Buddy, always, thank you, appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Love having you. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
All right, let's start with Caleb Williams getting ready for
his rookie campaign. The Bears have put all their eggs
in his basket going forward, but Caleb says he doesn't
feel like any of that outside pressure is on him.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Pressure isn't aware that I use in my vocabulary really
only when other people talk about it. And every time
that you'll hear me speak about pressure that I don't
think that pressure is a thing as long as you
prepare for the moment mentally and physically getting here, work,
get after, whether it's waveroom film room, and then get
on the film and work, and then obviously game days,
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get out there and and.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Go be special. I like that. I don't like the
word pressure. It doesn't exist. Do your prep. Let it rip.
That's that's good advice. It's gonna be in true staying
in a beautiful city, Chicago. Maybe you can join me
for a weekend or two in the Windy city they
call it. When are you going? Maybe maybe I'll can see.
I have a trip in October for sure, I know
I'm going. You've got a free hotel room for me?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Or oh I got room for you. Why don't you
bring your wife out there? Oh?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
What is this a recruiting pits?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Anyways, let's move on, dude.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Travis Kelsey, who has Listen. He's had a busy offseason
following Taylor Swift all around the world, which sounds like fun,
by the way, but now he's back at Chief's camp
gearing up for his twelfth season. Listen Man we talked
about it last year. He had not had a great
season like midway through he was kind it just was
he looked old.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Well, he was falling in love. He was falling in love.
That you get a little get back to your old love.
Football stop priority over. So the old ball and chain's
always available anyway. Well, listen.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
He's been one of Mahomes's stavorite targets over the years,
but Kelsey admitted that at thirty four, he's feeling a
lot of wear and tear.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Last year was pretty taxing on my on my body,
I've had more snaps than a lot of guys, if
not everybody in the gall over the past five six years.
And you know, I'm very fortunate. I'm very prideful of that,
but I know it has taken a toll on my body.
So it's just you know, making sure that my body's
getting that rest and that that ability to you know,
train harder and be able to withstand an entire seventeen
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to twenty game season.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
By the way, do you see Taylor Swift was in
Germany over the weekend. She'd performed at a venue where
there was a hill next to it, and the hill
was packed with people that couldn't get into the stadium.
Very thoughtful.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Okay, listen, you had a good point about the Cowboys
where you said, if Ceedee Lamb goes down.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Oh they're a big true. What the hell?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Okay, let's say Travis Kelcey has to miss eight games.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, what's your concern level with the Chiefs. Who's wide receivers? Yeah,
probably a bottom seven group. We don't know what's up
with she Rice the he'll play if Worthy can play.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Come on, it's even better than Brandon Cook's.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, well, he's considered a better prospect than Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Now, Cooks was as a burner.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He can deliver, He's bounced around the league.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I just if something were to happen to Kelsey's, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's no question they're not nearly as good in the red.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Stone and that just changes the entire AFC. And like
Mahomes is a superstar, we know red is awesome. They
could scheme up a Checko and a bunch of other dudes.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I've got my concerns with the Chiefs. No, I
don't think they're gonna three feet I don't. I think
they're gonna be good. But I got my rom Buffalo Buffalo. Wow,
that's bold.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I just can't wait to we start doing like you
v me gambling on NFL some of these games like
Buffalo over the Jets. That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm going to spend some real money gambling on college
football this year. Okay, I piggyback with Oh yeah, I
am so fired up for college football.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The final story is JJ McCarthy, the rookie.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Out of Michigan, is battling with Sam Darnold for the
vice starting QB role. Darnald is the clear front runner
right now, but that doesn't bother McCarthy. He says he's
just focusing on learning and growing every day.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
I feel like you know, I'm not focused on the
outcomes of each day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm just focusing on learning how.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
To get better and improve the weaknesses that I have
with my game, and also learn my teammate strengths and
try to amplify them every chance I get.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So we're up to a great star so far.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
And when the time comes, the time comes, and I'm
just training every single day. So when that time does come,
I'm gonna be ready.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Sam Darnold's gonna have a very interesting year. I think
people are just putting the Vikings in fourth place. Be
very careful, what's they're over under seven and a half,
six and a half, be very careful in Denver and
the Vikings super smart offensive coaches, capable quarterbacks, nice weapons
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on the perimeter. Vikings Broncos are being disrespected by Vegas.
I've got to ask before I come back to the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Obligatory rookie quarterback podium with the stuff behind him, and
he had the hat backwards. I know that really ruffles
your feathers.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Don't love it? Not a huge fan of that. Huh Nope,
welcome to the NFL. J J. McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I remember I've been bullish on him for a while.
I don't think he's gonna start on with you. Ask
for the Vikings. So I think we did AFC headlines
on Friday week.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm very excited. And the Vikings of the team I
want to put in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I don't know if I can pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh, let me tell you something. It's all on Sam Donald.
You know they have talent. It's all on Sam Donald.
So I think they're fascinating because I you know, I
love Donald, but I can also acknowledge that he tends
to be a beat late sometimes on throws and and
uncorks one horrible throw every Sunday. He's got an awful
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pick every sunn with the New York Jets. That's right, well,
Carolina two, Okay, Caroline might as well be the same day.
I just think I think he has the best coach
he's had, and the best weapons and the best old line.
So I think he's going to be Baker Mayfield. Everybody
bailed on him. You went to LA and you're long
h and they went to Tampa and you're like, hm.
Everybody bailed Gino Smith, everybody bailed. He got the right
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group of people supporting good receivers, continuity, Pete Carroll. Oh,
Gino can play a little.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
So you know how I like to say, the best
time to rebuild his last year, right. I think the
Vikings are doing as good of a jobb Remember they
move off Dalvin Cook and it'll be like, oh, what
do you doing? Devin Cook's good goes to the Jets
totally washed. Yeah, why don't even know if Davila Cook's
in the league right now? They moved off at the
right time. Kirk Cousins move off coming off the injury.
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This front off I think is one of the sharpest
front offices in the league. And if I'm betting Vikings,
I'm betting on Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
They cot they're six and a half. You don't think
they can go seven and ten with those weapons? Yeah,
I think that has to be Vikings in the Broncos.
I mean, Denver's five and a half wins. They can't
Sean Peyton can't go six and eleven. Now they've got
three legit targets. If the O line is healthy for
Minnesota and Denver, they're winning games. Remember the other thing
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is if Sean Payton, because the Denver's got a good
old line. If Bonex just stays upright and healthy, he'll
face four or five backups over the course of the season.
Sixty quarterbacks play a year.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
So my big difference between those two is Russell Wilson
played last year for Denver and they weren't great. Kevin
O'Connell once Kirk Cousins went down, had like Josh Dobbs, Dude,
you've never heard well Larren Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But Russell Wilson was a terrible fit with Sean boon
Nicks is a perfect fit for Sean. He's Drew Brees
two point zero. Russell Wilson's running out of open I
mean there's multiple people have come on our show. Multiple
people have come on our show and said that Russell
Wilson last year when you looked at the film, like
Greg Cosel, Russell was running out of completions. That I
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can tell you drove Sean crazy. Sean's not gonna Sean's
not gonna rim ya if you just can't make certain throws.
But when he schemes stuff open and you won't let
go of the ball, That's why Russell's no longer a
Denver Bronco bow Knicks. I watched him twice live. Oregon
schemed him up beautifully. He didn't add lib a lot.
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I didn't have to you scheme by he's a coach's kid.
You schem him up. He delivers the mall the kid.
It's like seventy percent complete. Rick said, By the way, TJ.
Hushman Zada, I talked to somebody over the weekend who
I trust. He said, don't be shocked to bow Knicks.
Now I don't believe this, but he said, don't be
surprised if bow Knicks doesn't have the best rookie season
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of all these quarterbacks, he said, best rookie season. He said.
He's got three receivers, two backs, good old line, smart coach,
he goes, he may not have the ceiling of caliber Javid,
he says, but don't be shocked if bow Knicks doesn't
have the best fifteen sixteen game resume at the end
of the season. Huh oh, it is kind of bowl.
I mean lost Jerry Judy, that guy's on the No
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Hands team. Jamack with the news.
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Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app,
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stopped by earlier today and The Point God stop by
our show today. He's a two time Olympic gold medalist,
played with Lake Kobe Bryant on one of those teams,
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and we talked about something that was kind of an
uncomfortable moment where Jason Tatum sat never got in the
game and watched two of his Celtic teammates, Derek White
and Drew Holliday get all sorts of minutes. And I
asked Chris about, you know, FOBA Olympics chemistry, playing time
in a shorter game, and how weird it is.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
USA basketball is always tough, you know, because you have,
you know, some of the best players in the world.
And j T is obviously one of the best players
in the world. And I always speak about our two
thousand and eight Olympic team, and that was my first
time playing in the Olympics, and I always say the
three most important players on that team are great players
that sometimes people leave out when they're naming that team,
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and that's Michael Red, Tayshawn Prince and Carlos Boozer, and
I say that because those guys were just pros. It's
just a different landscape now where everyone's going to talk
about it on social and all this stuff. Man, But
I just hope that JT knows who he is and
what he's capable of and just continues to get ready
for when his name's called.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The other thing and Jay McK and I are excited
for this is that if you've watched the Olympics and
you've watched Wemby for the French team, he is so
spectacularly unique and dominant. I mean, he blocks shots with
his elbow. He's just there's just nothing like him in
the world. I mean that, I mean a lot of
great players. I mean when you watch Kobe, he was
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a little like MJ. Very few players are. Steph Curry
came into the league. Nobody shot like that, Nobody plays
like Wemby.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Chet Holmgren's got some of the skills with Oklahoma City.
But Chris Paul Now is a member of the Spurs.
The point god with Wemby, and he talked about Wemby
and the evolution of European players.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
He's one of those guys that after the game this
past last year, we all talked about how weird it
was to try to guard him, to try to shoot
over him.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But it just shows you how the game has grown.
Speaker 9 (25:08):
I mean, and there's an appreciation I think for you know,
American players or whatnot, of the European players. I was
watching the Greece game the other day and I saw
Spinuls as the coach. You know, I've played long enough
to remember him as a player. You know, there's NBA
plays that's named after him, and now he's coaching the
Greek national team. So it's it's dope to see how
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the game continues to grow. And it just means that,
you know, people like my kids and all this stuff,
you just gonna have to get that much better.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I love when we show here on FS one, when
we showed the French highlights and you and I were
kind of mystified. I mean, it was just watching him
last year. We didn't watch a lot of Spurs games,
but here on the Olympic stage where most of these
Olympic teams have NBA players, when he blocked shots like
people are still adjusting to Wenby's d he has he'll
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have ten block games, And I think people, it's one
thing that you're tall. There's been tall players Yao Ming forever. Uh,
but seven to four and active, like, he's not only
seven to four, he's got catch up speed, so you're
quicking get past him. Most bigs you can get past
to the rim. You can't with Wemby. So some of
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the blocks our players are adjusting to his. Forget the offense,
he's going to give you twenty eight a game next year,
but his defense, I think it's Remember the average NBA
guy six six and a half, he's like seven four
and were long. Ralph Sampson, he was a great player
at Virginia and then in the NBA. Remember him Weston Rockets.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Him and Eliza Wan had like a moment where they
I thought they were going to overtake the Lakers in
the West. They did beat him one year.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Now, he didn't have the ball handling skills. He wasn't
as fluid offensively. He was more of a classic big man.
I mean, he was a great dominant college player, so
he was the domin at college. But you're right, Wemby's
just like that time's ten with the handle and a
guy that's long forgotten but was really interesting is Sam
Bowie at Kentucky. If you YouTube Sam Bowie, Sam Booie
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had a little Wemby where he could you could give
him the ball in the wing and he could take
a few drible shooter. Yeah, yeah, I mean Sam Bowie
I think is the one player Greg Odin got hurt.
But in the history of the NBA, if you took
one guy that I thought, injuries derailed his career too,
Bill Walton and Sam Booie, And we'll never know with Bowie,
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but what I remember watching him in college and like Wemby,
he could put the ball on the deck and pull
up for a sixteen footer and you were like, oh,
that looks good. Grant Hill and.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Penny Hardaway also two guys who were unbelievable starting. I
mean Grant Hill was supposed to be post Jordan, the guy.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes for the league and then he had injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Penny Hardaway as well. I have Penny Hartwiz.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I went and saw a lot of Penny games with
the Orlando Magic when I worked in Tampa. That Orlando
team was fun.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Nick Anderson, Scott.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Shack, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson missed some crucial free throws.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
They did against the Rockets, but they also took down.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Jordan in the playoffs. I remember that's forgotten. Yeah, somehow
that videotape but disappeared into the ether.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Donald Royal locking up Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
This happened. Look at a guy's looking up. I'm making
this up. That's funny. It's happened, all right. Women's team
essay plays at three today. Caitlin Clark' shooting up yet?
Or no, no, she's not on the team. She's a
big distractions.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio TJ. Hushman Zada over a
decade in the NFL. It's interesting. Some of the stuff
we were just talking about we can't talk about. But
we can't talk about some stuff. So I'm gonna throw
this out to you. So if you go look, I
think Russell Wilson's better than Justin Fields. I'll stay that.
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But if you go look at their numbers the last
two years, and Justin's had a defensive coach and Russell's
had two offensive coaches, their numbers are pretty much even.
So here's my take. Justin's younger, not rich, more relatable,
more fun, and will blow people at practice. Russell's more quiet, adult, wealthy,
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not as relatable, brand new in the locker room. We
know his history and my take and I could be
totally wrong. My take is is that Justin's gonna have
the players, Russell's gonna have the coaches. And after about
a two game losing streak that Pittsburgh schedule a week
ken On is burrutal. Justin's gonna get a lot more
snaps than people think. Am I nuts?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, you aren't.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
And the coaches would want to go with Russell Wilson
just because he's done it before. He's won a Super
Bowl before, So we're gonna can he Can he recapture.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
His old self with us? Can he do that?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
But if he can't, and the Russell Wilson we've seen,
I mean, Russell Wilson didn't play bad last year.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
The defense for Denver was terrorble.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They didn't play He didn't play bad last year, but
the year prior would hack it he was awful. And
so now it's can Russell play? Was it Pete Carroll?
Was it his system? Then that defense that really made
Russell Wilson look better? Justin Fields is talented. Can he
throw an anticipation? Can he throw a timing and not
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hold the ball? If he can do that, because the
new officer coordinator is.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
A really good coach, Arthur Smith.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Arthur Smith being a former head coach, But if you
look when he was in Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill, Kenny
Hill was really good. Yes, And so you want to
run the ball, you want to play action. You have
a receiver out there, and George Pickens that's gonna win
his one on ones the jump ball with him. They
fifty fifty balls, they're eighty twoitty with George Pickens. And
so Tomlin and that coaching staff will want to go
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with Russell Wilson. But if he falters it any bit,
I can see justin Field starting eight nine games this season.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I can too, especially in the back end of that schedule.
And also not not that Pittsburgh would Tomlin, but I
could see. I could see Tomlin. He'll get a lot
of heat. He's got it increasingly. He was a little
more patient with Kenny Pickett when most of us bailed
after about ten starts. So I just I just think
it's something to keep your eye on because you've been
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in locker rooms before. Sometimes. I mean, you tell me
all the year's Bengals, Seahawks, Ravens, Raiders is the locker
room All was absolutely sure that the best quarterback is
playing well for me? Yeah, you had.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Carson, Yeah, we had Carson, so it was no question.
And I go to Seattle was Houselbeck is no question?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And so I will say this, as players, you know
who you feel should be playing. I mean, I've seen
some guys get cut and I'm like, whoa they cut him?
This dude could play. Yeah, but at the quarterback position,
if you're winning, you're cool. Start losing games because there's
always three or four dudes.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In the locker room. They don't care who's around, what coach,
the owner. They just say whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I mean, I play with dudes that literally would tell
a coach at halftime of a game, you don't know
what the hell you doing. This dude ain't even playing
like you just get players. They just don't care. They
have no filter. They just say whatever. And so if
you start losing, guys will start talking and say I
feel like Field should be playing, and then it's just
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it's a snowball.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah yeah, you right, I do think he should be playing.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And if you start to get that, you're gonna separate
the locker the locker room, and it can become a problem.
But in that division, you got Joe Burrow, you got
Lamar Jackson. If Deshaun Watson returns the form. It's an
uphill battle. Pittsburgh has that defense that will keep them
in games, but it's an uphill battle for the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
So you spent some time with the Chargers. So Jim
at San Diego, Niners, Michigan, this is what he does overnight.
He turns it around like a lot of coaches, even
Saban took like three years for them. His second year
he got waxed by Utah. Most great coaches take two
three years to turn it around. What's the secret sauce
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with Horrba to do it. He took over a mess
at Michigan, a mess with the Niners instantly good.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
He's smart.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He can relate to players, anybody that goes to their practice.
He has his Jordan cleets own and he might get
under center sometimes and participating in practice. They do a
lot of post practice lifts and runs. He's doing it
with the players. You think he out there, baby, Dan Campbell,
you know he's doing a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Let you in on a little There's a lot of
coaches in the league that teach you football, but when
it comes to getting you better at your position, there's
not many. And we as players. You know that when
you have a coach like Harball, you believe in him.
You trust when he tells you this is the look
we're going to get, and this is how we're going
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to handle that look.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
You trust and believe it. You don't second guess it.
So as soon as you see that.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Look, what you've gone over in practice second nature, you
believe it. You go certain coaches you don't believe it,
You second guess it, And so it just doesn't smoke
flow as smoothly. The play doesn't go off the way
you want it because you're not believing it. And if
I'm not believing it, the guy next to me probably isn't.
The guy next to him probably is it. And so
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when you have somebody like Horrorball that everybody knows what
you just said, University of San Diego, Stanford, Michigan, the
forty nine Ers, now the Chargers, he's going to turn
it around. So when he tells you something, you're going
to believe it and you trust it because his track
record is proven.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
That So Jamar Chase not practicing of Brandon Ayuk is
but he's unhappy a hold in. Does that stuff? Does
it affect anything? The players talk or is it just
same old he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It can become a problem. It can.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It really depends on how the player handles it. Meaning
if Jamar Chase is not practicing because he wants a
new deal and he's just kind of cool about it,
but he's just not practicing, it's fine. But if you
start having bad body language, you start saying certain things
to certain players, then it will become a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And I just don't understand teams. I don't I don't
understand teams.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
If I know somebody is in my future, if you're
going to be on my team for a long time,
the sooner I sign you, the less expensive it is
for my team to corporate. I don't understand why they wait.
The Eagles are the best at this. The Eagles get
guys signed like Drey Jones. You didn't think Ceedee Lamb
was gonna be a part of the future. Sign him
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a long time ago. Now you gotta give you more.
And Dak the same thing with d You better sign
Michael Parsons now because somebody's gonna leap fraud what he
wants and now you're going to have to give him more than that.
And so back to Jamar chasing ba. If he's a
part of your future, just pay him. Because we're humans.
You walk around, there's days, you have good days. You're
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gonna be pissed off like bro like bad body language,
and the coach is not gonna say like, coach is
not gonna say anything to you if you're the player
that will snap back because certain guys they're just not
going back down for it, no matter who the coach is.
So now you've created a problem because the player wants
to get paid. So it really depends on if the
player can be a true professional and handle it each
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day the way he should, but that is very hard
to do.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
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Speaker 1 (08:43):
So you've had you've made multiple predictions through the years
on quarterbacks that you've trained with, or you know, you're
the one that said Justin Herbert's going to be a star,
Joe Burrow's going to be a star. So you know,
Josh Allen, you called all these guys. We got five
new quarterbacks this year. We got bon Necks and Michael
Pennix and JJ McCarthy and Kayleb Williams and Jaden Daniels
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and what's the kid at North Carolina?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Drake May?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Drake May? I think he's a project. Give me a jet.
If I said, you don't have to tell me where
you get your information. But if I said to you,
this blank guy is gonna work and it may work quick.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I'll give you two guys that I believe will work
and work quick. Is Cayleb Williams and bow Nicks?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Interesting? Caleb Williams and Bonick. So let's start with bow
because that may surprise people. Why is that going to
work quickly?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You're what a coach that has always had success with quarterbacks,
and he started so many games in.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
College sixty one, he.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Started so many games in college like four years, like
every year, and then the COVID year.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Two conferences, so he had a bunch of different coordinators.
So I mean bo Nick has dealt with three coaches,
five coordinators, two conferences.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
He's going to be successful because he's seen a lot.
He's ready to play right now. And you're with a
coach that has proved I can win with almost anybody.
I mean Sean Payne was.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Winning games with Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Hill and at a high level. Yeah, and so I
believe bow Knicks will be fine. He has Troy Franklin,
a familiar face as a receiver that he played with
in college.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Also, for the record, I think MEM's in Courtland. I
think Courtland Sutton. He may be a lower end one,
but I love Courtland.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean he kind of held out he wanted more money,
which I didn't understand.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
But he's a good player.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
But he's a good player. But bow Knicks is I
believe he's going to play well. I mean, if you
look at the amount of starts he had in college,
very rarely with a guy with this many starts at
the highest level of college football on the SEC in
the Pac twelve, which was the best conference last season.
I believe he'll be successful in Kayler Williams speaks for himself,
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dude can just play and what you know?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Lsu well. I think Jayden Daniels has a little Lamar Jackson.
I think he's probably more refined at this point in
his life in the pocket, but not quite as fast.
What is he a little finn? What do you make
of it?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Jaye Daniels can play man trained with us the entire
last year. I mean, Jake Daniels probably two hundred and
ten pounds when Jayden's first started, probably one seventy five.
He's accurate. You want to play Wooding as a player.
The way he carries himself, you want to play wood
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him a personable dude. The only concern I would have
is with dan Quinn being a defensive coach, is he
gonna be making some of the cause, meaning, Hey, I
just want to run the ball here, we'll punt the ball.
And yeah, he's not calling to play, but you you
technically are calling the play. Just what kind of leash
are you gonna have or you gonna let him play
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or you're gonna try to play games safe and hope
your defense can win it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And so that may be my my only concern.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I heard Cliff Kingsbury really pushed hard for Jade and
Daniels with a number two pick. That Cliff was like,
that kid's good.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
When you look at the improvements that he made each
year in college is remarkable. If LSU has a good defense,
state they're playing in a college football playoff. Last year,
he was that good last year, and so you statistically
it was better than what Joe Burrow did.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Joe Brow just.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Had a ton of NFL guys on defense, whereas Jade
Daniels didn't. And you can look at it and say, man,
this guy's gonna play. We know two or three these
guys aren't gonna play well. But if I had to
pick two, it would be those guys because of the
situation that bow Knicks is in. And you look at
the weapons that Caleb Williams have and that he has
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to play with, and Chicago's defense was very good down
the stretch last season.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
TJ. Hushmanzada, he'll be on us speak today at five
eastern on FS one. Great Seniors always.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Buddy, always, thank you, appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Love having you. Jmack with the news.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
This is the Herdline News.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
All right, let's start with Caleb Williams getting ready for
his rookie campaign. The Bears have put all their eggs
in his basket going forward, but Caleb says he doesn't
feel like any of that outside pressure is on him.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
Pressure isn't aware that I use in my vocabulary really
only when other people talk about it. And every time
that you'll hear me speak about pressure that I don't
think that pressure is a thing as long as you
prepare for the moment mentally and physically getting here, work,
get after, whether it's waveroom film room, and then get
on the film and work, and then obviously game days,
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get out there and and.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Go be special. I like that. I don't like the
word pressure. It doesn't exist. Do your prep. Let it rip.
That's that's good advice. It's gonna be in true staying
in a beautiful city, Chicago. Maybe you can join me
for a weekend or two in the Windy city they
call it. When are you going? Maybe maybe I'll can see.
I have a trip in October for sure, I know
I'm going. You've got a free hotel room for me?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Or oh I got room for you. Why don't you
bring your wife out there? Oh?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
What is this a recruiting pits?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Anyways, let's move on, dude.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Travis Kelsey, who has Listen. He's had a busy offseason
following Taylor Swift all around the world, which sounds like fun,
by the way, but now he's back at Chief's camp
gearing up for his twelfth season. Listen Man we talked
about it last year. He had not had a great
season like midway through he was kind it just was
he looked old.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Well, he was falling in love. He was falling in love.
That you get a little get back to your old love.
Football stop priority over. So the old ball and chain's
always available anyway. Well, listen.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
He's been one of Mahomes's stavorite targets over the years,
but Kelsey admitted that at thirty four, he's feeling a
lot of wear and tear.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
Last year was pretty taxing on my on my body,
I've had more snaps than a lot of guys, if
not everybody in the gall over the past five six years.
And you know, I'm very fortunate. I'm very prideful of that,
but I know it has taken a toll on my body.
So it's just you know, making sure that my body's
getting that rest and that that ability to you know,
train harder and be able to withstand an entire seventeen
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to twenty game season.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
By the way, do you see Taylor Swift was in
Germany over the weekend. She'd performed at a venue where
there was a hill next to it, and the hill
was packed with people that couldn't get into the stadium.
Very thoughtful.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Okay, listen, you had a good point about the Cowboys
where you said, if Ceedee Lamb goes down.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Oh they're a big true. What the hell?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Okay, let's say Travis Kelcey has to miss eight games.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, what's your concern level with the Chiefs. Who's wide receivers? Yeah,
probably a bottom seven group. We don't know what's up
with she Rice the he'll play if Worthy can play.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Come on, it's even better than Brandon Cook's.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, well, he's considered a better prospect than Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Now, Cooks was as a burner.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
He can deliver, He's bounced around the league.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I just if something were to happen to Kelsey's, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's no question they're not nearly as good in the red.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Stone and that just changes the entire AFC. And like
Mahomes is a superstar, we know red is awesome. They
could scheme up a Checko and a bunch of other dudes.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I've got my concerns with the Chiefs. No, I
don't think they're gonna three feet I don't. I think
they're gonna be good. But I got my rom Buffalo Buffalo. Wow,
that's bold.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
I just can't wait to we start doing like you
v me gambling on NFL some of these games like
Buffalo over the Jets. That's not happening.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I'm going to spend some real money gambling on college
football this year. Okay, I piggyback with Oh yeah, I
am so fired up for college football.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
The final story is JJ McCarthy, the rookie.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Out of Michigan, is battling with Sam Darnold for the
vice starting QB role. Darnald is the clear front runner
right now, but that doesn't bother McCarthy. He says he's
just focusing on learning and growing every day.
Speaker 8 (17:09):
I feel like you know, I'm not focused on the
outcomes of each day.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I'm just focusing on learning how.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
To get better and improve the weaknesses that I have
with my game, and also learn my teammate strengths and
try to amplify them every chance I get.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So we're up to a great star so far.
Speaker 8 (17:24):
And when the time comes, the time comes, and I'm
just training every single day. So when that time does come,
I'm gonna be ready.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Sam Darnold's gonna have a very interesting year. I think
people are just putting the Vikings in fourth place. Be
very careful, what's they're over under seven and a half,
six and a half, be very careful in Denver and
the Vikings super smart offensive coaches, capable quarterbacks, nice weapons
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on the perimeter. Vikings Broncos are being disrespected by Vegas.
I've got to ask before I come back to the Vikings.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
Obligatory rookie quarterback podium with the stuff behind him, and
he had the hat backwards. I know that really ruffles
your feathers.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Don't love it? Not a huge fan of that. Huh Nope,
welcome to the NFL. J J. McCarthy.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
I remember I've been bullish on him for a while.
I don't think he's gonna start on with you. Ask
for the Vikings. So I think we did AFC headlines
on Friday week.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I'm very excited. And the Vikings of the team I
want to put in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
I don't know if I can pull the trigger.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Oh, let me tell you something. It's all on Sam Donald.
You know they have talent. It's all on Sam Donald.
So I think they're fascinating because I you know, I
love Donald, but I can also acknowledge that he tends
to be a beat late sometimes on throws and and
uncorks one horrible throw every Sunday. He's got an awful
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pick every sunn with the New York Jets. That's right, well,
Carolina two, Okay, Caroline might as well be the same day.
I just think I think he has the best coach
he's had, and the best weapons and the best old line.
So I think he's going to be Baker Mayfield. Everybody
bailed on him. You went to LA and you're long
h and they went to Tampa and you're like, hm.
Everybody bailed Gino Smith, everybody bailed. He got the right
(19:10):
group of people supporting good receivers, continuity, Pete Carroll. Oh,
Gino can play a little.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
So you know how I like to say, the best
time to rebuild his last year, right. I think the
Vikings are doing as good of a jobb Remember they
move off Dalvin Cook and it'll be like, oh, what
do you doing? Devin Cook's good goes to the Jets
totally washed. Yeah, why don't even know if Davila Cook's
in the league right now? They moved off at the
right time. Kirk Cousins move off coming off the injury.
(19:37):
This front off I think is one of the sharpest
front offices in the league. And if I'm betting Vikings,
I'm betting on Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
They cot they're six and a half. You don't think
they can go seven and ten with those weapons? Yeah,
I think that has to be Vikings in the Broncos.
I mean, Denver's five and a half wins. They can't
Sean Peyton can't go six and eleven. Now they've got
three legit targets. If the O line is healthy for
Minnesota and Denver, they're winning games. Remember the other thing
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is if Sean Payton, because the Denver's got a good
old line. If Bonex just stays upright and healthy, he'll
face four or five backups over the course of the season.
Sixty quarterbacks play a year.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
So my big difference between those two is Russell Wilson
played last year for Denver and they weren't great. Kevin
O'Connell once Kirk Cousins went down, had like Josh Dobbs, Dude,
you've never heard well Larren Hall.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But Russell Wilson was a terrible fit with Sean boon
Nicks is a perfect fit for Sean. He's Drew Brees
two point zero. Russell Wilson's running out of open I
mean there's multiple people have come on our show. Multiple
people have come on our show and said that Russell
Wilson last year when you looked at the film, like
Greg Cosel, Russell was running out of completions. That I
(20:55):
can tell you drove Sean crazy. Sean's not gonna Sean's
not gonna rim ya if you just can't make certain throws.
But when he schemes stuff open and you won't let
go of the ball, That's why Russell's no longer a
Denver Bronco bow Knicks. I watched him twice live. Oregon
schemed him up beautifully. He didn't add lib a lot.
(21:17):
I didn't have to you scheme by he's a coach's kid.
You schem him up. He delivers the mall the kid.
It's like seventy percent complete. Rick said, By the way, TJ.
Hushman Zada, I talked to somebody over the weekend who
I trust. He said, don't be shocked to bow Knicks.
Now I don't believe this, but he said, don't be
surprised if bow Knicks doesn't have the best rookie season
(21:39):
of all these quarterbacks, he said, best rookie season. He said.
He's got three receivers, two backs, good old line, smart coach,
he goes, he may not have the ceiling of caliber Javid,
he says, but don't be shocked if bow Knicks doesn't
have the best fifteen sixteen game resume at the end
of the season. Huh oh, it is kind of bowl.
I mean lost Jerry Judy, that guy's on the No
(22:04):
Hands team. Jamack with the news.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
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Speaker 2 (22:27):
Hey, I'm Doug Gottlieb. The podcast is called All Ball.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's
more about the stories about what made these people love
their sport and all the interesting interactions along the way.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
We talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell
you stories.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
You download it, you listen to it.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I think you like it.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Listen to All Ball with Doug Gottlieb on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Chris Paul
stopped by earlier today and The Point God stop by
our show today. He's a two time Olympic gold medalist,
played with Lake Kobe Bryant on one of those teams,
(23:08):
and we talked about something that was kind of an
uncomfortable moment where Jason Tatum sat never got in the
game and watched two of his Celtic teammates, Derek White
and Drew Holliday get all sorts of minutes. And I
asked Chris about, you know, FOBA Olympics chemistry, playing time
in a shorter game, and how weird it is.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
USA basketball is always tough, you know, because you have,
you know, some of the best players in the world.
And j T is obviously one of the best players
in the world. And I always speak about our two
thousand and eight Olympic team, and that was my first
time playing in the Olympics, and I always say the
three most important players on that team are great players
that sometimes people leave out when they're naming that team,
(23:53):
and that's Michael Red, Tayshawn Prince and Carlos Boozer, and
I say that because those guys were just pros. It's
just a different landscape now where everyone's going to talk
about it on social and all this stuff. Man, But
I just hope that JT knows who he is and
what he's capable of and just continues to get ready
for when his name's called.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
The other thing and Jay McK and I are excited
for this is that if you've watched the Olympics and
you've watched Wemby for the French team, he is so
spectacularly unique and dominant. I mean, he blocks shots with
his elbow. He's just there's just nothing like him in
the world. I mean that, I mean a lot of
great players. I mean when you watch Kobe, he was
(24:35):
a little like MJ. Very few players are. Steph Curry
came into the league. Nobody shot like that, Nobody plays
like Wemby.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Chet Holmgren's got some of the skills with Oklahoma City.
But Chris Paul Now is a member of the Spurs.
The point god with Wemby, and he talked about Wemby
and the evolution of European players.
Speaker 9 (24:57):
He's one of those guys that after the game this
past last year, we all talked about how weird it
was to try to guard him, to try to shoot
over him.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
But it just shows you how the game has grown.
Speaker 9 (25:08):
I mean, and there's an appreciation I think for you know,
American players or whatnot, of the European players. I was
watching the Greece game the other day and I saw
Spinuls as the coach. You know, I've played long enough
to remember him as a player. You know, there's NBA
plays that's named after him, and now he's coaching the
Greek national team. So it's it's dope to see how
(25:30):
the game continues to grow. And it just means that,
you know, people like my kids and all this stuff,
you just gonna have to get that much better.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
I love when we show here on FS one, when
we showed the French highlights and you and I were
kind of mystified. I mean, it was just watching him
last year. We didn't watch a lot of Spurs games,
but here on the Olympic stage where most of these
Olympic teams have NBA players, when he blocked shots like
people are still adjusting to Wenby's d he has he'll
(26:02):
have ten block games, And I think people, it's one
thing that you're tall. There's been tall players Yao Ming forever. Uh,
but seven to four and active, like, he's not only
seven to four, he's got catch up speed, so you're
quicking get past him. Most bigs you can get past
to the rim. You can't with Wemby. So some of
(26:23):
the blocks our players are adjusting to his. Forget the offense,
he's going to give you twenty eight a game next year,
but his defense, I think it's Remember the average NBA
guy six six and a half, he's like seven four
and were long. Ralph Sampson, he was a great player
at Virginia and then in the NBA. Remember him Weston Rockets.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Him and Eliza Wan had like a moment where they
I thought they were going to overtake the Lakers in
the West. They did beat him one year.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Now, he didn't have the ball handling skills. He wasn't
as fluid offensively. He was more of a classic big man.
I mean, he was a great dominant college player, so
he was the domin at college. But you're right, Wemby's
just like that time's ten with the handle and a
guy that's long forgotten but was really interesting is Sam
Bowie at Kentucky. If you YouTube Sam Bowie, Sam Booie
(27:12):
had a little Wemby where he could you could give
him the ball in the wing and he could take
a few drible shooter. Yeah, yeah, I mean Sam Bowie
I think is the one player Greg Odin got hurt.
But in the history of the NBA, if you took
one guy that I thought, injuries derailed his career too,
Bill Walton and Sam Booie, And we'll never know with Bowie,
(27:32):
but what I remember watching him in college and like Wemby,
he could put the ball on the deck and pull
up for a sixteen footer and you were like, oh,
that looks good. Grant Hill and.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Penny Hardaway also two guys who were unbelievable starting. I
mean Grant Hill was supposed to be post Jordan, the guy.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yes for the league and then he had injuries.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Penny Hardaway as well. I have Penny Hartwiz.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I went and saw a lot of Penny games with
the Orlando Magic when I worked in Tampa. That Orlando
team was fun.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
Nick Anderson, Scott.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Shack, Dennis Scott, Nick Anderson missed some crucial free throws.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
They did against the Rockets, but they also took down.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Jordan in the playoffs. I remember that's forgotten. Yeah, somehow
that videotape but disappeared into the ether.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Donald Royal locking up Michael Jordan.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
This happened. Look at a guy's looking up. I'm making
this up. That's funny. It's happened, all right. Women's team
essay plays at three today. Caitlin Clark' shooting up yet?
Or no, no, she's not on the team. She's a
big distractions.
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