July 7, 2025 • 42 mins
LaVar and Jonas give Zach Wilson his proper credit as a Polynesian players. Cam Ward continues to get less attention than Shedeur Sanders. A big name recruit in college football continues muddy the waters of NIL payments. Plus, a familiar face at the top of the rankings, a potential blockbuster trade and more!
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It is The Herd.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Fox Sports Radio t rexam Me LeVar Rington. Thanks Jona
Sax with you here in for Colin Trass.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
I got to right now, gotta keep my armpits closed.
Very offensive. I don't know why I forgot to put
the odor in it. I'm sorry, I mean our defense.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Normally we don't see another living, breathing human body, so
don't even matter at the time we're working.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Because it's three in the morning, so there's nobody.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Around, so valid point seeing actual people you work with,
say in traffic light, yeah light, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It really is bizarre, brilliant, but we are in for Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
It is the the final hour of the show, as
we take you all the way up until three eastern
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of affiliates all across the country. Here before we get
into this discussion about the latest on a quarterback competition
in the NFL, we had a major, major discussion that
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needed to be concluded here on the air, and that
was you were.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Right, you were correct.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, let's I mean, let's let's find out how correct
I was correct. So this is welcome to July. Everybody.
Is Zach Wilson really Polynesian? And for that we go
live to our Polynesian insider Lee to Lap, who is
standing in y key Key for the latest.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Lee, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Jonas talks that Zachary Capon Wilson is in fact a
quarter Polynesian, his dad being half Hawaiian. He in fact
did win the twenty twenty College Polynesian Polynesian College Football
Player of the Year and is in the Polynesian College
Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Here you go, good for you exact had no idea.
I was today years old when I found that out. Man,
God blessed, What did you think he was? What Zach Wilson?
You see the dude, he looks as as freaking all
American white boy as it gets period. See, but that
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just goes to show you we live in a world
where you just should not judge people by the parents
of them. You judged them by who they are, because
it really shouldn't even matter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And it's radio. I could be Jamaican. Imagine exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Imagine if you was running up on him like, hey,
white boy, right, and he's like, but I'm Polynesian, and
you actually got offended by him saying he was Polynesian.
By the way, you don't want to play with them.
Oh no, no, he and if he's bringing that side
of his family to the party. I will just tell
you right now. I didn't know how deep that that
stuff was until I lived on the West coast. Yeah,
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let me tell you Polynesians, the Tonguans, Uh what is it?
Pacific Pacific Island, the warriors like for real warriors. Yeah,
that's like they get the doing that. Oh that that stuff, right,
I forget about it. I don't want no parts of that. Yeah,
you go to uh, you spend enough. I remember we
were staying I went to Hawaii one time. We were
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staying at the hotel that the University of Hawaii players
were staying at because they would stay at a hotel
the day.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Before games, and these guys are walking around the lobby
and I'm looking at them, calling, first of all, maybe
none of them are going to play professionally. And they're
all walking around and it's like a barn with legs.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Just big dude massive. There's some big dudes.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Man, there's calf muscles and oh my god, they're just
some big dudes man.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like, different type of big, different type of big dudes.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, mamas be big too, They big too, Just big,
solid built people.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Man.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Good for y'all. I could use some of that them
legs because I got little legs. I got leg imfy,
got no calves, you do, yeah, look at me. Yeah,
we on the same We're on the same leg program.
High legs like crutches. I mean, I ain't quite Jim
Jones with my legs, but it's bad now, little legs.
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Speaking of quarterbacks, Cladsdale never won the Kentucky Derby though.
Just keep that in mind, all right. That's what my
mom used to tell me. You never saw a line
catcha cheetah, So there you go. Yeah, that was how
she made me feel good about my little legs, you know,
because my legs was but go ahead, man.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know it's not Polynesian, cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You sure so, So that brings up the the discussion of.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
What's going on. Hold on, hold on, cam Ward Paul.
By the way, if he's Polynesian, we're gonna have to
elite deliver. At least.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
If he was Polynesian. I'm literally walking right out of
the traffic. I will do the show from my phone
in the middle of Ventura. That's enough. But that being said,
cam Ward finds himself the number one pick of the
draft for the Tennessee Titans, and he's going to be
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quote unquote competing for the job with Will Levis, who
is currently there. And so the Titans offensive lineman J. C.
Latham was on Sirius XM NFL Radio and discussed the
QB battle for the Titans.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
If you're a ballplayer, if you know love this game,
then you know Will is just not going to throw
over here and say, oh, we drafted him, go ahead
and take it, and Cam's not going to expect it
to be just given to you know, and throughout the spring,
I think that's the one thing that you know, all
the coaches and players on the team, I've seen like
both of them taking the challenge of like trying to
really earn on the spot and really fight for the spot,
and you know it just made him better. You know,
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you can see the improvements from Will and you can
see the sharpness of Cam so and Cam's taking a
lot more of a leadership understanding of taking accountability. The
team goes as the quarterback goes. So you know, in
that regards heading the tone.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
We can dress this up as a quarterback competition all
we want. Will Levis has no shot, none at all.
Bro injury Okay, yeah that, but cam Ward was drafted
number one overall, you've got a brand regime, Drag number one. Yeah,
drig number two drafted him, and you've got a head
coach who, because of the new regime, if he doesn't
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win this year or at least prove that he's the
guy for cam Ward's development, he's gone. So it's almost
like Brian Kalen get four strikes. I mean, you didn't
throw in there three wins last year.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean, if you're Will Levis, sure you accept
the the challenge of trying to remain the starting quarterback,
but you were the starting quarterback of three win teams
the year.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Before Brian Callahan has no choice but to start cam Ward.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Number one pick. That's number one pick at quarterback, that's
his He's a day one starter, day one start.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
But they dress it up is well, no, it's just
you know, competition and Will Levis, you know, look man tongue,
Like we saw what happened last year. Gerrod Mao tried to,
you know, play the song and dance when it came
to Jacoby Brissett and Drake May and even said along
the lines of yeah, Drake May's actually outplayed Jacoby Brissett,
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yet named Jacoby Brissett the starter. And it's like, yeah,
I mean you can't, like I know that we want
to make this out to be like it's this true competition.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's not because of all the other factors that are there.
Even if Will Levis had slightly outplayed cam Ward in
training camp and in the preseason, I think cam Ward
would still be the guy. He'd still get the chance
to be the starting quarterback from day one, because there's
too many other factors in play. When it comes to
the brand new regime who took him number one overall,
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he was the guy they identified as their quarterback of
the future, and you've got a coach who is clearly
on the hot seat. He's looking around, going, man, the
guy who hired me is out of here. There's been
a new uh, there's a new structure in the front office.
If I don't produce or if I'm not showing that
I'm the solution, then I'm gone. And then we were
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going to be staring down down the barrel of another
quarterback comes in for one year, there's a coach, it's fired,
and now he's got to work with another guy the
next year.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
In the year two. We've seen it so many times.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There's a lot of ways the win could blow this
topic just because of all of the uncertainties and unknowns
of what's surrounding this Tennessee Titans team. But one thing
that we do know for certain is that the quarterback
competition is with a quarterback that was a part of
a three to win team the year. This year's quarterback
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that is added to the quarterback room is the number
one overall pick, not number two, not number three, not
number four, not number five. And as amazing as it
would be to be, because I know I was a
number two overall pick, amazing as that is. It's not
number one. It's not number one. Cam Ward is your
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number one overall draft pick in the draft he's going
to play. Now, how that plays out in terms of
how you view the coach you know, and what his
role will be Callahan, what he's able to do or
not do. There's a lot of moving parts connected to that,
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because you have to give a guy like cam Ward
the opportunity to be able to adapt and to adjust
to being in the National Football League. That's just part
of it. You got to give a guy the opportunity
to grow. You got a running gag. You got Tony
Poller in the backfield. He's a pretty serviceable running back.
I ain't gonna give him elite talent, but he's a
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really good football player that could take a little pressure
off I would like for them to have a better
running back so that it takes more pressure off of them.
I would like for them to have a better tight
end so it takes more pressure off of him.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Those are guys that, to.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Me, are very vital to the early stages of a
quarterback and having successes, having those safety blankets, those valves
in a running back and a really good tight end.
But you do have Calvin Ridley, you got tied. They
added Tyler Lockett. That's a lot of leadership value there.
They have players in place where you'd say they have
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weapons for the guy they brought in. They have the
opportunity to see what they have. Don't ruin that by
wasting your time trying to figure out if he's the
guy for the job or not. When you're a number
one an overall draft pick, you've already made the determination
that he's good enough to start at the league level
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day one. Don't have to have the conversation about giving
it to him, don't have to have the conversation about
him earning it. All those things come with him within
the locker room. But in terms of how the coaching
staff should be looking at him, that's a day one starter. Yeah,
it's a day and it's not even it's not even
a hard.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Decision to make.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
You don't have a choice how poorly the team played
and performed last season. It's not even a hard decision,
a hard debate the hat, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Even if you did get to training camp and into
the preseason and Will Levis did slightly out playing it's
the preseason.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, you're still making Cam Wore the starter.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And we've had this conversation numerous times about the four
quarterbacks that are in Cleveland. I don't care if Dylan
Gabriel or Shador Sanders lighted up in the preseason. It
really does not matter. You're not climbing from fourth string
to first string. Chances are it's very very strong chance
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a third rounder is not climbing from third string to
first string starting quarterback. It's it's almost it is almost
a slim to none situation where it plays out that
a fifth rounder, some way, somehow climbs up three spots
to become the starter. A third rounder climbs up two
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spots to become a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's just not realistic.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But but when you look at a team like Tennessee
and your depth chart is a three win team depth chart,
some of the guys are new, some of the guys
were there. One of the guys that was there is
the starting quarterback from last year. It's not the same
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proposition when the number one overall pick comes in and
it's a three win team from a year ago, and
the starting quarterback from the year ago is not like
they are not going to be given the benefit of
the doubt. We're going to start Will Levis and see
what Cam Warre can do. It's actually going to be
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So when Zach Taylor was in Cincinnati, I think it
was the first couple of years, they were pretty rough,
and I think he might have been a two win
teams first year, four win team the second year. And
then Joe Burrow was drafted. Like Zach Taylor, his whole
goal in order to keep his job was to show
some sort of hope and development of.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Joe Burrow so that he could be kept around.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And if you're Brian Callahan, you're kind of in the
same spot, which is interesting because he came from Cincinnati,
But if you're Brian Callihan, you're kind of in the
same spot. Your whole goal, yeah, you want to win games,
but ultimately you want to show the front office who
drafted that guy in there some excitement. Hey, your investment
is better served with me guiding him than anybody else.
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And the only way you do that is by playing
him as much as possible. And that's why they're just like, well,
you know, there's a competition. Will Lovis been no offense
to Will Lovis. It's over like it was over last year.
They were trying to figure out how to put dirt
on it last year. I mean, let's be real, by
the end of the season, they were trying to put
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dirt on Will Levis last year.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean. And that's why happens when you lose. There's
no way around that.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
When you're not productive in a sport of total total discrimination,
they discriminate on your production. If you're productive, they love you.
If you're not, get out of here, period. And I
don't care if you were productive last year, if you're
not productive this year, you still can walk.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Get out of here, get out of here.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
So the bottom line here, you do have to play
with You do have to play cam Ward, and you
gotta make it so cam Ward gets small victories, not
big ones. Go for small goals, not big ones, little
victories not big ones. You stack little victories. Next thing
you know, you got a whole bunch of little victories.
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Next next thing, you know, you've built some momentum, and
then you can take all of those little ones collectively
and make them a big win. That's how you got
to approach this with cam Ward and not because it's
that cam Ward can't be that type of quarterback in
the league.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He went number one overall. He can be. It's that
your team might not be in the position to be
what cam Ward needs to be or what cam Ward
can show to be if he's on a team and
the proper elements and the proper situation to have that
type of level of success where he wins MVP Rookie
MVP Award and shows that, you know, he's one of
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these guys to be to look at, be looked at,
hitting into the future of his career.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know, it's kind of wild because everything you hear
about cam Ward, great guy, like everybody talks about stand
up dude, works hard, keeps his head down, humble, great teammate,
all like, it's got everything you could want in the
starting quarter back.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He had a great year last year. All of it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
He's gotten a fraction of the coverage as the number
one pick to Schador. If you compare, that's not a fraction.
That's not even a fraction. Number one pick of the draft,
number one over pick of the draft. And we've spent
more time, yes, and we spent.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
All our time.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This is the first time we're talking about cam Ward, yes,
since he's gotten drafts.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So the moral of the story is, if cam Ward
would up his game and start getting some speeding tickets,
we'd spend more time talking about you too, Okay, So
get out there and just step on it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
It really works the cam Ward's advantage if the attention
and the focus is not directly on him, which you
will see that drastically, dramatically change soon as the season
gets you know, gets going, because he is the number
one overall pick, and he is a quarterback, and oh
and he is a black quarterback, so you're always going
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to add that into the.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Equation as well.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
There will be a ton of attention that goes his
way once this season gets ramped up. But it is
curious to think that there have been a lot of
players coming out of the draft that have been talked
about at nauseum, and none more than Shador Sanders. And
he's a fifth round draft pick, fourth on the depth chart,
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and we're talking about him more during the course of
shows and not just us. I'm not just saying us,
I'm saying the media in general than they are cam
Ward in Tennessee. It's wild man, that is pretty wild.
So hey, you know, good to be.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
A LT.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Good to be I guess And by the way, shame
shame on us. I'm talking about cam Ward every day
from here on out. Some way, somehow, I'm bringing up
cam Ward during the show. Hell yeah, because he deserves that,
because he was number one overall draft pick and you know.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
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Speaker 4 (19:47):
So we've got the latest layer to the nil world
that we're all living in. Felix Ojo, who is a
five star offensive lineman. He is committed to Texas Tech.
Right now, me personally, I look at that because I'm
not going to swim in the negative side of the
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pool like some people here.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I look at that. This is great for Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
They got a big time recruit, clearly somebody who loved
the Texas Tech program and is doing it for all
the right reasons. Give us some give us some great ty,
yeah us, give us some context.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Well, I think this was a fascinating story that flew
into the radar over the holiday weekend. But this kid,
very talented, top ten recruit in the country by most services,
and his you know, supposed final four was Florida, Michigan,
Ohiose State and Texas which.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Are all way better teams. Texas Tech playoff for the
national championship. I mean that's just the truth, all right.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
But over the weekend he shocked everyone and committed to
Texas Tech with a fully guaranteed three year, five million
dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right. Does it say, do you have the article pulled
up about you as I do. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Does it say where the contract came from? Who gave
the contract?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, it's one of their big it's called the Mattador
Club Texas Tech. And also if you remember, they they
got the girl, the softball the pitcher, Yes, from Stanford.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
After this past year took the national championship game, right,
They basically bought her too.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
So here's where it gets interesting for me and how
you look at this. That's a collective. I'm assuming some
type of collective to be able to pay the player.
When you start getting into saying guaranteed contracts. One of
the elements when the NCAAA versus the House settlement came
about was creating a cap for and his like twenty
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million cap. But I'm pretty certain that that cap is
for all sports. So whatever the cap is for the
football team, is the cap for the football team. Getting
into doing guarantee contracts, I feel like this now opens
up a different door one. How do you justify what
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those guarantees are because this is not pay for play.
You're not hiring him as an employee of the university,
and you're paying him this guarantee contract over three years.
That's that's not correct. He's being paid for nil services.
So whatever it is that you said five million dollars
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over three years. So whatever it is that he has
to do, that has to be approved by a governing body,
an appointed group that says that, Okay, he did this appearance,
that appearance is worth x amount of dollars, not this amount.
It's worth five thousand, not one hundred thousand, right, So
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now you have to be able to justify how much
you're paying these athletes based upon what they're doing within
the name, image and likeness space of college sports. That
opens up an entirely different conversation because now if this
kid says, Okay, I'm gonna get the guaranteed money, I'm
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go here for one year, and then I want to
hit the portal because I'm having a good season but
our team isn't and I want to go somewhere else.
What happens next? That is now the conversation that has
to take place. What happens next If you have this
air quote guaranteed contract for three years time at Texas
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Tech and it came through a collective or whatever it
is that they're called, it has to.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Be a millionaire funneling. It can't be right.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
It can't be coming direct from a billionaire donor straight
to the athlete. That's that's still a violation. That's that's
not that's not compliant. So in this scenario, is the
new team going to buy out the contract of the
collective from this school? Are you going to pay the
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remaining three four million dollars because you'd have to assume
if you come in with a guaranteed contract your rook
your freshman year is going to be a lower number
than all the other years. You'd have to assume the
numbers would go up as the years will go up
because they haven't done anything.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So you're you're kind of trying to head your bet
in terms of what you're going to invest in that
player heading into their second and third year, where perceivably
they're gonna leave after they're at their third year in school.
So now you're in a situation where you got to
figure out who's taking care of these contracts, what happens, Like, Okay,
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if I leave and I'd say, I don't care if
this next school pays out the contract that I have
guaranteed with you guys, I'm leaving in the portal, What
does that look like? Like?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
How does the school that had you manage that?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
And how does the school that's taking you in? How
did I manage that?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
There's just a lot of questions this whole. It was
so much better when things were illegal. We all knew,
we all knew what was going on, but we didn't
know the details of it, and we could just be like,
all right, listen, they got a five star recruit, but
they probably fine and he's an offensive line and they
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would never go there. It's like, was it Hugh Freeze
at Ole Miss who had all those guys come in,
remember like Lacwan Treadwell and those guys game as part
of one Robert part of one recruiting class. And everyone
looked at it and said, well, that's a little suspects.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You Freeze what happened there?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And then you know Robert kids, you know, like you know,
Smogan synthetic weed and falling out of a window.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He was high jumping.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But now there's just so much that we don't It's
almost like we have less answers now than we did before,
and we have all the information to where you're not
quite sure who's paying for what, You're not quite sure
what this means. You don't know if he wants to
opt out or if he wants to transfer somewhere what
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that means. You don't know like all of these different
factors that have just been thrown.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Into it, and I don't know where we go from here,
Like what is like when are we going to get
to a point to where all right, these are the rules,
this is what's at play, this is what you can do,
and this is what you can't do done.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
It's because there's so many legal battles that are taking place,
it's hard to even with the future of what the
NCAA as a governing body represents.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
To these schools.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
What is the dynamic between conferences, What is the dynamic
between conferences the NCAA and television, you know, the television stations.
There's so many moving parts here, and the one part
that to me is going to be the most interesting
of them all is athlete versus employee. That's going to
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be the biggest conversation because once you get to a
place or where you have to call these athletes employees,
then now the floodgates are open to all the other
elements that come into play.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Because as of right now, this is still not pay
for play.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
It has to be stated in all of these conversations,
it is still not play pay for play, meaning I'm
not hiring you. Penn State isn't hiring this kid to
come there and play there for three years.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Right, That's not how this works.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
So until you get to a point of where you
say and even once you get to that point, now
the question becomes, are you hiring them as an employee?
What are you hiring them under? Are you hiring them
as an employee to the university? Are you hiring them
as an employee under a different entity? How is that
happening If you don't hire them as an employee, how
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are you hiring them? Are they an independent contractor? How
is that contract being done? Can I get out of
the contract because I'm an independent contractor and I did
the deal in a different way where I can loophole
getting out of this contract because I'm an independent contractor.
There are so many fed up conversations connected to where
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the NCAA or where college sports is now in this
nil era, and they don't have I can't even imagine
that they have the answers to be able to put
in place to create the structures that are able to
make these healthy and safe environments for all involved.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's just not there.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
I think the other fascinating thing, LeVar, we were talking
about this in the break is that nowadays the best
players in the country are not necessarily going to the
best schools. That's correct, and this kid is chasing short
term money instead of long term potential success at a
better school with better coaching. Schools are going to be
playing for national championships in the playoff prime time. Like
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That's not going to happen in Texas.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's a strong observation, and I also I understand it
from their standpoint because they're looking at it going, Yeah,
the ceiling is higher if I go somewhere, get developed,
and get to the next level. But there's no guarantees
I'm going to get to the next week. Go, So
here's my five million dollars. I'm going to get there.
You go, and at least this five million I can see.
The fifty million NFL career I can't see, So I'm
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going to take what I can see.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Well, here's the quote from his agent. He said in
the story. Football is a brutal sport, and athletes are
not able to play professionally until their graduating class has
been in college three years. It was important to to
be able to secure Felix's future and give him and
his family some security as he continues to develop into
a first round NFL drive.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
You do realize what this is. It's a bargaining tool.
It is a establishing of what he represents within the market.
So in other words, if I'm a five star and
I chose to go here and this is the contract
that I have that's guaranteed, I'm not going any lower
than that. So I have every intentions of leaving Texas
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Tech to go play somewhere else and y'all gotta pay
me more, or I'll just stay where I'm at. I
have this guarantee contract here, I'll stay where I'm at.
Or it becomes a bargaining chip for these athletes, for
their agents to be able to go to the other schools,
shop their client around and say, here's our starting point.
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He's making three million this year out of that five million,
what are you willing to do?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
What are you willing to do?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Because at the end of the day, I would have
assume that these these contracts can't be They got to
be at will contracts, Like you can't lock a dude
in and say nope, we own your rights.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
At least not that I think.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I mean, I could be wrong, but I would think
that these are at will contracts.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Felix Ojo's agent, was on Fox Sports Radio on Friday
night talking with Aaron Torres and Arnie Spanier, and he says,
he claims it was all through revenue share, and he
said that they chose Texas Tech because they guarantee three years.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
No other school would do more than one.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
There you go, so there you go, and now this
is this is again, this is like Cleveland given given
Deshaun Watson the guarantee contract. Right, you had one that
jumps out there to get a player that they wouldn't
maybe necessarily thought they would have been able to get
a hold of. You're going to have schools that jump
out there and offer these types of opportunities because they
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wouldn't have been able to get hold of a five
star athlete to this Kyle Burr, if they didn't do
something differently than what the other schools are doing, which
now will eventually.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
There's two ways of looking at this.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
The bigger schools will hold their water and hope that
they can recruit guys that want to come there for
the reasons that they want them to come there for,
and if the guy goes and proves out out of
Texas Tech, then they make their decision from there, or
they say I don't want you at all.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You're not the type of guy we want on our.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Team that exists as well. But you have two ways
of approaching it. Either you say, okay, good, we're never
going to do that. We are never going to give
more than a one year contract two guys because of
how competitive this field is. Or you're going to say,
we got to start doing guaranteed contracts. The ones that
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say we're doing one year contracts, they're generally the ones
that are going to be able to dictate what the
rules are to a certain degree and a certain capacity
still can get the type of recruits that they want
and can come get your recruit if they prove out.
If you start doing the guarantee contract for more than
one year at say an Ohio State or a Michigan
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or a Texas or or one of those Alabama at
one of those type schools, then the landscape has now
took a turn for the wildest period forever.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
There's no going back.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
If Ohio State says we're giving out three year guarantees
for nil contracts before we even get to the point
of them being employee contracted players, the whole game is
going to change.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Man along for the good old days when Ricky Rose's
dad got a tractors.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean, nice, nice new John Deere in the driveway.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Instead we got all this mumbo jumbo with contracts going
around and.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
You don't even know you don't even know what happens,
like you don't even really know what really all of
the ins and outs of how it's going to be handled.
If this all of the contingencies, What if he gets injured?
What if he fails out of school? Do you have
all of those things written into that contract? How many
pieces of language are going to be in that contract?
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How many things that they think about versus how many
things that they might not have thought about yet, Like
you're gonna You can't take a pro contract and compare
to an athlete in college as a contract because the
deliverables are much different.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
They're much different.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
If a kid doesn't get a certain GPA and he
finds himself academically ineligible, does he still get that you
can't call that conduct detrimental to the organization.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I mean maybe you could, but how you just didn't
get the grades.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
So now because of the institution that he's in, which
is in a way separate from what you're doing in football,
is now saying you're not eligible.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
To play because you don't have a good enough grade.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I still want my money. I still want my money.
You can put me on the sideline, rule me ineligible.
But this contract says if I'm here and I'm on
this team, that I get paid this amount of money.
How are all of these things going to be navigated.
It's so many questions. It's concerning in a lot of ways.
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I mean, I know it's exciting. Players should have been paid,
they should get compensated, but there should have been more
of a structure in play and prepared for a time
such as this, and now it's like, you know, the
roosters are coming back home to the roots.
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Speaker 2 (36:46):
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Speaker 9 (36:48):
This is the Herd Line News all right, Ryan Music music,
all right now. NFL training camp right around the corner.
ESPN has released their latest rankings, surveying league executives, coaches,
and scouts. The first rendition of this is ranking the
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top running backs in the league, coming in at number one,
probably no surprise to anyone, Saquon Barkley receiving every first
place vote but one. In the seventy people surveyed Sakuon
Barkley a near unanimous number one, Derrick Henry number two,
Jamir Gibbs number three, b Jon Robinson fourth, and Christian
(37:32):
McCaffrey coming in at five.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Okay, and these werec come in at five.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Some of the feedback there was he's a great player,
but he has had Yeah, he's not durable.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I mean it's again, it's just like that lemon card
that we were talking about.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Did we talk about that on the air or was
that off air?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:49):
On their Yeah, yeah, you don't want to you don't
want to drive an ile card.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I remember the stuff we talked about off the air.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
I try I tend to try to forget intentionally.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Regarding Christian McCaffrey, NFL personnel executive was quoted saying, he's
an elite trainer. He takes great care of himself, just
doesn't have a big enough body. An elite trainer, takes
care of himself, but gets hurt. Like that's what you
want to say. You can't make him a top five
player if he's always hurt. I'm just that's just all
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I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I mean, like it feels like there's some racial undertones
there to be honest, I wasn't going down that road.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So I'm just wondering who's voting on this again.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
This is league executives, coaches, and scouts, and there was
one that voted.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Probably told Derek Henry or or he were for the
Giants or he worked for the Giant. That's a good one.
Likes a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Didn't think Bark be running back in the league last year.
How's anybody voting? It could have been somebody from Baltimore.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Come on, man, he just ran for two thousand yards
old man like he who says that?
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Like?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Who would who would vote for anybody other than the
Saquon Bark? Who has you that that was unanimous? You
could argue he should have been the MVP of the league.
He was the MVP and somebody, somebody had the breaks.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If he breaks the record, he's the MVP of the league,
so he should have got it for the simple.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Fact that they held him out and he did not
break the record. Done. Yeah, that seems your v seems
pretty unanimous. I don't understand. Well, it's got the vote,
but okay, hey all right, shouts out the king, Harry.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Yeah, we'll stay in the NFL and the Washington Commanders,
their star wide receiver Terry McLaurin holding out expected to
be holding out come training camp. They're trying to deal
and the latest from Jeremy Fowler Terry McLaurin quote, not
happy with where things are regarding an extension and they
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have a couple of weeks here to make progress before
risk before risking a holdout that drags on into training camp.
Adam Schefter also adding to the Terry McLaurin situation, there's
no update and that's what the problem is. There is
quite a gap between where both sides are and want
right now, and they have not made any progress. So
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things not looking positive for Washington and Terry McLaurin as
they look to build on last year's a surprising NFC
championship run with Jayden Daniels in his rookie season.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Here comes to J Watt. It's getting a little j Watt,
it's getting a little dicey there. I look.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I acknowledge generally speaking, these deals get done, you know
usually you know at the wire, right before the year whatever.
But in real time, I love this stuff. I think
it's fascinating just to see the back and forth and
how it plays out in the media, the different reports
and all the other things that are going on, the TJ.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Watt stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
But Terry McLaurin, Look, he's he's a guy I can
imagine they desperately want back, just based on the fact
that he's been really one of the foundational pieces with
that team, with all the controversy and all the stuff
that's gone on over the past several years. He's always
been a really good player. But he's a wide receiver.
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He's getting up there in years, and I could understand
their them not wanting to maybe empty the vault for
Terry McLaurin, but it would be a tough loss for
them as an organization because he's one of the team
leaders there.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
They got Noah Brown, they got Michael Gillup, they got
they added Deebo Samuel and some people think he's overweight,
but I think he's still Deebo Samuel till.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He proves he's not. Wait, well, they said they said
that there's a new Chunky. There's a new Chunky Deebo Samuel.
I ain't going into all of that.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
That's what I've heard, but I'm just saying this might
be this might be the continued setting of the table
for TJ. Watt to end up in in Washington and
Terry ending up in in Pittsburgh. I'm just saying, body,
they say.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It's the chunky Deebo Samuel has has shown up to
You know, he.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Can't wear them tight little shorts he's been wearing pregame
into the locker room. At the current weight that he's at.
They said he got to drop about five to ten pounds.
That's what I heard, too. Has some sun to say
about your daddy said it?
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Speaker 5 (00:37):
I got to right now, gotta keep my armpits closed.
Very offensive. I don't know why I forgot to put
the odor in it. I'm sorry, I mean our defense.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Normally we don't see another living, breathing human body, so
don't even matter at the time we're working.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Because it's three in the morning, so there's nobody.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Around, so valid point seeing actual people you work with,
say in traffic light, yeah light, it really is.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It really is bizarre, brilliant, but we are in for Colin.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
It is the the final hour of the show, as
we take you all the way up until three eastern
time noon Pacific. Here you can listen to us on
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into this discussion about the latest on a quarterback competition
in the NFL, we had a major, major discussion that
(01:34):
needed to be concluded here on the air, and that
was you were.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Right, you were correct.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well, let's I mean, let's let's find out how correct
I was correct. So this is welcome to July. Everybody.
Is Zach Wilson really Polynesian? And for that we go
live to our Polynesian insider Lee to Lap, who is
standing in y key Key for the latest.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Lee, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Jonas talks that Zachary Capon Wilson is in fact a
quarter Polynesian, his dad being half Hawaiian. He in fact
did win the twenty twenty College Polynesian Polynesian College Football
Player of the Year and is in the Polynesian College
Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Here you go, good for you exact had no idea.
I was today years old when I found that out. Man,
God blessed, What did you think he was? What Zach Wilson?
You see the dude, he looks as as freaking all
American white boy as it gets period. See, but that
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just goes to show you we live in a world
where you just should not judge people by the parents
of them. You judged them by who they are, because
it really shouldn't even matter.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
And it's radio. I could be Jamaican. Imagine exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:48):
Imagine if you was running up on him like, hey,
white boy, right, and he's like, but I'm Polynesian, and
you actually got offended by him saying he was Polynesian.
By the way, you don't want to play with them.
Oh no, no, he and if he's bringing that side
of his family to the party. I will just tell
you right now. I didn't know how deep that that
stuff was until I lived on the West coast. Yeah,
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let me tell you Polynesians, the Tonguans, Uh what is it?
Pacific Pacific Island, the warriors like for real warriors. Yeah,
that's like they get the doing that. Oh that that stuff, right,
I forget about it. I don't want no parts of that. Yeah,
you go to uh, you spend enough. I remember we
were staying I went to Hawaii one time. We were
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staying at the hotel that the University of Hawaii players
were staying at because they would stay at a hotel
the day.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Before games, and these guys are walking around the lobby
and I'm looking at them, calling, first of all, maybe
none of them are going to play professionally. And they're
all walking around and it's like a barn with legs.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Just big dude massive. There's some big dudes.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Man, there's calf muscles and oh my god, they're just
some big dudes man.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like, different type of big, different type of big dudes.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, mamas be big too, They big too, Just big,
solid built people.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Man.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Good for y'all. I could use some of that them
legs because I got little legs. I got leg imfy,
got no calves, you do, yeah, look at me. Yeah,
we on the same We're on the same leg program.
High legs like crutches. I mean, I ain't quite Jim
Jones with my legs, but it's bad now, little legs.
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Speaking of quarterbacks, Cladsdale never won the Kentucky Derby though.
Just keep that in mind, all right. That's what my
mom used to tell me. You never saw a line
catcha cheetah, So there you go. Yeah, that was how
she made me feel good about my little legs, you know,
because my legs was but go ahead, man.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
You know it's not Polynesian, cam Ward.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You sure so, So that brings up the the discussion of.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
What's going on. Hold on, hold on, cam Ward Paul.
By the way, if he's Polynesian, we're gonna have to
elite deliver. At least.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
If he was Polynesian. I'm literally walking right out of
the traffic. I will do the show from my phone
in the middle of Ventura. That's enough. But that being said,
cam Ward finds himself the number one pick of the
draft for the Tennessee Titans, and he's going to be
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quote unquote competing for the job with Will Levis, who
is currently there. And so the Titans offensive lineman J. C.
Latham was on Sirius XM NFL Radio and discussed the
QB battle for the Titans.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
If you're a ballplayer, if you know love this game,
then you know Will is just not going to throw
over here and say, oh, we drafted him, go ahead
and take it, and Cam's not going to expect it
to be just given to you know, and throughout the spring,
I think that's the one thing that you know, all
the coaches and players on the team, I've seen like
both of them taking the challenge of like trying to
really earn on the spot and really fight for the spot,
and you know it just made him better. You know,
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you can see the improvements from Will and you can
see the sharpness of Cam so and Cam's taking a
lot more of a leadership understanding of taking accountability. The
team goes as the quarterback goes. So you know, in
that regards heading the tone.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
We can dress this up as a quarterback competition all
we want. Will Levis has no shot, none at all.
Bro injury Okay, yeah that, but cam Ward was drafted
number one overall, you've got a brand regime, Drag number one. Yeah,
drig number two drafted him, and you've got a head
coach who, because of the new regime, if he doesn't
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win this year or at least prove that he's the
guy for cam Ward's development, he's gone. So it's almost
like Brian Kalen get four strikes. I mean, you didn't
throw in there three wins last year.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean, if you're Will Levis, sure you accept
the the challenge of trying to remain the starting quarterback,
but you were the starting quarterback of three win teams
the year.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Before Brian Callahan has no choice but to start cam Ward.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Number one pick. That's number one pick at quarterback, that's
his He's a day one starter, day one start.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
But they dress it up is well, no, it's just
you know, competition and Will Levis, you know, look man tongue,
Like we saw what happened last year. Gerrod Mao tried to,
you know, play the song and dance when it came
to Jacoby Brissett and Drake May and even said along
the lines of yeah, Drake May's actually outplayed Jacoby Brissett,
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yet named Jacoby Brissett the starter. And it's like, yeah,
I mean you can't, like I know that we want
to make this out to be like it's this true competition.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
It's not.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
It's not because of all the other factors that are there.
Even if Will Levis had slightly outplayed cam Ward in
training camp and in the preseason, I think cam Ward
would still be the guy. He'd still get the chance
to be the starting quarterback from day one, because there's
too many other factors in play. When it comes to
the brand new regime who took him number one overall,
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he was the guy they identified as their quarterback of
the future, and you've got a coach who is clearly
on the hot seat. He's looking around, going, man, the
guy who hired me is out of here. There's been
a new uh, there's a new structure in the front office.
If I don't produce or if I'm not showing that
I'm the solution, then I'm gone. And then we were
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going to be staring down down the barrel of another
quarterback comes in for one year, there's a coach, it's fired,
and now he's got to work with another guy the
next year.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
In the year two. We've seen it so many times.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
There's a lot of ways the win could blow this
topic just because of all of the uncertainties and unknowns
of what's surrounding this Tennessee Titans team. But one thing
that we do know for certain is that the quarterback
competition is with a quarterback that was a part of
a three to win team the year. This year's quarterback
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that is added to the quarterback room is the number
one overall pick, not number two, not number three, not
number four, not number five. And as amazing as it
would be to be, because I know I was a
number two overall pick, amazing as that is. It's not
number one. It's not number one. Cam Ward is your
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number one overall draft pick in the draft he's going
to play. Now, how that plays out in terms of
how you view the coach you know, and what his
role will be Callahan, what he's able to do or
not do. There's a lot of moving parts connected to that,
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because you have to give a guy like cam Ward
the opportunity to be able to adapt and to adjust
to being in the National Football League. That's just part
of it. You got to give a guy the opportunity
to grow. You got a running gag. You got Tony
Poller in the backfield. He's a pretty serviceable running back.
I ain't gonna give him elite talent, but he's a
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really good football player that could take a little pressure
off I would like for them to have a better
running back so that it takes more pressure off of them.
I would like for them to have a better tight
end so it takes more pressure off of him.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Those are guys that, to.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Me, are very vital to the early stages of a
quarterback and having successes, having those safety blankets, those valves
in a running back and a really good tight end.
But you do have Calvin Ridley, you got tied. They
added Tyler Lockett. That's a lot of leadership value there.
They have players in place where you'd say they have
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weapons for the guy they brought in. They have the
opportunity to see what they have. Don't ruin that by
wasting your time trying to figure out if he's the
guy for the job or not. When you're a number
one an overall draft pick, you've already made the determination
that he's good enough to start at the league level
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day one. Don't have to have the conversation about giving
it to him, don't have to have the conversation about
him earning it. All those things come with him within
the locker room. But in terms of how the coaching
staff should be looking at him, that's a day one starter. Yeah,
it's a day and it's not even it's not even
a hard.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Decision to make.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
You don't have a choice how poorly the team played
and performed last season. It's not even a hard decision,
a hard debate the hat, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Even if you did get to training camp and into
the preseason and Will Levis did slightly out playing it's
the preseason.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, you're still making Cam Wore the starter.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
And we've had this conversation numerous times about the four
quarterbacks that are in Cleveland. I don't care if Dylan
Gabriel or Shador Sanders lighted up in the preseason. It
really does not matter. You're not climbing from fourth string
to first string. Chances are it's very very strong chance
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a third rounder is not climbing from third string to
first string starting quarterback. It's it's almost it is almost
a slim to none situation where it plays out that
a fifth rounder, some way, somehow climbs up three spots
to become the starter. A third rounder climbs up two
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spots to become a starting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
It's just not realistic.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
But but when you look at a team like Tennessee
and your depth chart is a three win team depth chart,
some of the guys are new, some of the guys
were there. One of the guys that was there is
the starting quarterback from last year. It's not the same
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proposition when the number one overall pick comes in and
it's a three win team from a year ago, and
the starting quarterback from the year ago is not like
they are not going to be given the benefit of
the doubt. We're going to start Will Levis and see
what Cam Warre can do. It's actually going to be
the opposite.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So when Zach Taylor was in Cincinnati, I think it
was the first couple of years, they were pretty rough,
and I think he might have been a two win
teams first year, four win team the second year. And
then Joe Burrow was drafted. Like Zach Taylor, his whole
goal in order to keep his job was to show
some sort of hope and development of.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Joe Burrow so that he could be kept around.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And if you're Brian Callahan, you're kind of in the
same spot, which is interesting because he came from Cincinnati,
But if you're Brian Callihan, you're kind of in the
same spot. Your whole goal, yeah, you want to win games,
but ultimately you want to show the front office who
drafted that guy in there some excitement. Hey, your investment
is better served with me guiding him than anybody else.
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And the only way you do that is by playing
him as much as possible. And that's why they're just like, well,
you know, there's a competition. Will Lovis been no offense
to Will Lovis. It's over like it was over last year.
They were trying to figure out how to put dirt
on it last year. I mean, let's be real, by
the end of the season, they were trying to put
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dirt on Will Levis last year.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I mean. And that's why happens when you lose. There's
no way around that.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
When you're not productive in a sport of total total discrimination,
they discriminate on your production. If you're productive, they love you.
If you're not, get out of here, period. And I
don't care if you were productive last year, if you're
not productive this year, you still can walk.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Get out of here, get out of here.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
So the bottom line here, you do have to play
with You do have to play cam Ward, and you
gotta make it so cam Ward gets small victories, not
big ones. Go for small goals, not big ones, little
victories not big ones. You stack little victories. Next thing
you know, you got a whole bunch of little victories.
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Next next thing, you know, you've built some momentum, and
then you can take all of those little ones collectively
and make them a big win. That's how you got
to approach this with cam Ward and not because it's
that cam Ward can't be that type of quarterback in
the league.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
He went number one overall. He can be. It's that
your team might not be in the position to be
what cam Ward needs to be or what cam Ward
can show to be if he's on a team and
the proper elements and the proper situation to have that
type of level of success where he wins MVP Rookie
MVP Award and shows that, you know, he's one of
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these guys to be to look at, be looked at,
hitting into the future of his career.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know, it's kind of wild because everything you hear
about cam Ward, great guy, like everybody talks about stand
up dude, works hard, keeps his head down, humble, great teammate,
all like, it's got everything you could want in the
starting quarter back.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
He had a great year last year. All of it.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
He's gotten a fraction of the coverage as the number
one pick to Schador. If you compare, that's not a fraction.
That's not even a fraction. Number one pick of the draft,
number one over pick of the draft. And we've spent
more time, yes, and we spent.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
All our time.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
This is the first time we're talking about cam Ward, yes,
since he's gotten drafts.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
So the moral of the story is, if cam Ward
would up his game and start getting some speeding tickets,
we'd spend more time talking about you too, Okay, So
get out there and just step on it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
It really works the cam Ward's advantage if the attention
and the focus is not directly on him, which you
will see that drastically, dramatically change soon as the season
gets you know, gets going, because he is the number
one overall pick, and he is a quarterback, and oh
and he is a black quarterback, so you're always going
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to add that into the.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Equation as well.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
There will be a ton of attention that goes his
way once this season gets ramped up. But it is
curious to think that there have been a lot of
players coming out of the draft that have been talked
about at nauseum, and none more than Shador Sanders. And
he's a fifth round draft pick, fourth on the depth chart,
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and we're talking about him more during the course of
shows and not just us. I'm not just saying us,
I'm saying the media in general than they are cam
Ward in Tennessee. It's wild man, that is pretty wild.
So hey, you know, good to be.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
A LT.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Good to be I guess And by the way, shame
shame on us. I'm talking about cam Ward every day
from here on out. Some way, somehow, I'm bringing up
cam Ward during the show. Hell yeah, because he deserves that,
because he was number one overall draft pick and you know.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
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Speaker 3 (19:44):
Now here on FSR.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
So we've got the latest layer to the nil world
that we're all living in. Felix Ojo, who is a
five star offensive lineman. He is committed to Texas Tech.
Right now, me personally, I look at that because I'm
not going to swim in the negative side of the
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pool like some people here.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
I look at that. This is great for Texas Tech.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
They got a big time recruit, clearly somebody who loved
the Texas Tech program and is doing it for all
the right reasons. Give us some give us some great ty,
yeah us, give us some context.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
Well, I think this was a fascinating story that flew
into the radar over the holiday weekend. But this kid,
very talented, top ten recruit in the country by most services,
and his you know, supposed final four was Florida, Michigan,
Ohiose State and Texas which.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Are all way better teams. Texas Tech playoff for the
national championship. I mean that's just the truth, all right.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
But over the weekend he shocked everyone and committed to
Texas Tech with a fully guaranteed three year, five million
dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right. Does it say, do you have the article pulled
up about you as I do. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Does it say where the contract came from? Who gave
the contract?
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Yeah, it's one of their big it's called the Mattador
Club Texas Tech. And also if you remember, they they
got the girl, the softball the pitcher, Yes, from Stanford.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Yes.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
After this past year took the national championship game, right,
They basically bought her too.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
So here's where it gets interesting for me and how
you look at this. That's a collective. I'm assuming some
type of collective to be able to pay the player.
When you start getting into saying guaranteed contracts. One of
the elements when the NCAAA versus the House settlement came
about was creating a cap for and his like twenty
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million cap. But I'm pretty certain that that cap is
for all sports. So whatever the cap is for the
football team, is the cap for the football team. Getting
into doing guarantee contracts, I feel like this now opens
up a different door one. How do you justify what
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those guarantees are because this is not pay for play.
You're not hiring him as an employee of the university,
and you're paying him this guarantee contract over three years.
That's that's not correct. He's being paid for nil services.
So whatever it is that you said five million dollars
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over three years. So whatever it is that he has
to do, that has to be approved by a governing body,
an appointed group that says that, Okay, he did this appearance,
that appearance is worth x amount of dollars, not this amount.
It's worth five thousand, not one hundred thousand, right, So
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now you have to be able to justify how much
you're paying these athletes based upon what they're doing within
the name, image and likeness space of college sports. That
opens up an entirely different conversation because now if this
kid says, Okay, I'm gonna get the guaranteed money, I'm
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go here for one year, and then I want to
hit the portal because I'm having a good season but
our team isn't and I want to go somewhere else.
What happens next? That is now the conversation that has
to take place. What happens next If you have this
air quote guaranteed contract for three years time at Texas
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Tech and it came through a collective or whatever it
is that they're called, it has to.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Be a millionaire funneling. It can't be right.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
It can't be coming direct from a billionaire donor straight
to the athlete. That's that's still a violation. That's that's
not that's not compliant. So in this scenario, is the
new team going to buy out the contract of the
collective from this school? Are you going to pay the
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remaining three four million dollars because you'd have to assume
if you come in with a guaranteed contract your rook
your freshman year is going to be a lower number
than all the other years. You'd have to assume the
numbers would go up as the years will go up
because they haven't done anything.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
So you're you're kind of trying to head your bet
in terms of what you're going to invest in that
player heading into their second and third year, where perceivably
they're gonna leave after they're at their third year in school.
So now you're in a situation where you got to
figure out who's taking care of these contracts, what happens, Like, Okay,
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if I leave and I'd say, I don't care if
this next school pays out the contract that I have
guaranteed with you guys, I'm leaving in the portal, What
does that look like? Like?
Speaker 5 (25:00):
How does the school that had you manage that?
Speaker 3 (25:04):
And how does the school that's taking you in? How
did I manage that?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
There's just a lot of questions this whole. It was
so much better when things were illegal. We all knew,
we all knew what was going on, but we didn't
know the details of it, and we could just be like,
all right, listen, they got a five star recruit, but
they probably fine and he's an offensive line and they
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would never go there. It's like, was it Hugh Freeze
at Ole Miss who had all those guys come in,
remember like Lacwan Treadwell and those guys game as part
of one Robert part of one recruiting class. And everyone
looked at it and said, well, that's a little suspects.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
You Freeze what happened there?
Speaker 4 (25:52):
And then you know Robert kids, you know, like you know,
Smogan synthetic weed and falling out of a window.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He was high jumping.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
But now there's just so much that we don't It's
almost like we have less answers now than we did before,
and we have all the information to where you're not
quite sure who's paying for what, You're not quite sure
what this means. You don't know if he wants to
opt out or if he wants to transfer somewhere what
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that means. You don't know like all of these different
factors that have just been thrown.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Into it, and I don't know where we go from here,
Like what is like when are we going to get
to a point to where all right, these are the rules,
this is what's at play, this is what you can do,
and this is what you can't do done.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
It's because there's so many legal battles that are taking place,
it's hard to even with the future of what the
NCAA as a governing body represents.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
To these schools.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
What is the dynamic between conferences, What is the dynamic
between conferences the NCAA and television, you know, the television stations.
There's so many moving parts here, and the one part
that to me is going to be the most interesting
of them all is athlete versus employee. That's going to
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be the biggest conversation because once you get to a
place or where you have to call these athletes employees,
then now the floodgates are open to all the other
elements that come into play.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Because as of right now, this is still not pay
for play.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
It has to be stated in all of these conversations,
it is still not play pay for play, meaning I'm
not hiring you. Penn State isn't hiring this kid to
come there and play there for three years.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Right, That's not how this works.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
So until you get to a point of where you
say and even once you get to that point, now
the question becomes, are you hiring them as an employee?
What are you hiring them under? Are you hiring them
as an employee to the university? Are you hiring them
as an employee under a different entity? How is that
happening If you don't hire them as an employee, how
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are you hiring them? Are they an independent contractor? How
is that contract being done? Can I get out of
the contract because I'm an independent contractor and I did
the deal in a different way where I can loophole
getting out of this contract because I'm an independent contractor.
There are so many fed up conversations connected to where
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the NCAA or where college sports is now in this
nil era, and they don't have I can't even imagine
that they have the answers to be able to put
in place to create the structures that are able to
make these healthy and safe environments for all involved.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
It's just not there.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
I think the other fascinating thing, LeVar, we were talking
about this in the break is that nowadays the best
players in the country are not necessarily going to the
best schools. That's correct, and this kid is chasing short
term money instead of long term potential success at a
better school with better coaching. Schools are going to be
playing for national championships in the playoff prime time. Like
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That's not going to happen in Texas.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's a strong observation, and I also I understand it
from their standpoint because they're looking at it going, Yeah,
the ceiling is higher if I go somewhere, get developed,
and get to the next level. But there's no guarantees
I'm going to get to the next week. Go, So
here's my five million dollars. I'm going to get there.
You go, and at least this five million I can see.
The fifty million NFL career I can't see, So I'm
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going to take what I can see.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Well, here's the quote from his agent. He said in
the story. Football is a brutal sport, and athletes are
not able to play professionally until their graduating class has
been in college three years. It was important to to
be able to secure Felix's future and give him and
his family some security as he continues to develop into
a first round NFL drive.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
You do realize what this is. It's a bargaining tool.
It is a establishing of what he represents within the market.
So in other words, if I'm a five star and
I chose to go here and this is the contract
that I have that's guaranteed, I'm not going any lower
than that. So I have every intentions of leaving Texas
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Tech to go play somewhere else and y'all gotta pay
me more, or I'll just stay where I'm at. I
have this guarantee contract here, I'll stay where I'm at.
Or it becomes a bargaining chip for these athletes, for
their agents to be able to go to the other schools,
shop their client around and say, here's our starting point.
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He's making three million this year out of that five million,
what are you willing to do?
Speaker 3 (30:57):
What are you willing to do?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
Because at the end of the day, I would have
assume that these these contracts can't be They got to
be at will contracts, Like you can't lock a dude
in and say nope, we own your rights.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
At least not that I think.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
I mean, I could be wrong, but I would think
that these are at will contracts.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Felix Ojo's agent, was on Fox Sports Radio on Friday
night talking with Aaron Torres and Arnie Spanier, and he says,
he claims it was all through revenue share, and he
said that they chose Texas Tech because they guarantee three years.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
No other school would do more than one.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
There you go, so there you go, and now this
is this is again, this is like Cleveland given given
Deshaun Watson the guarantee contract. Right, you had one that
jumps out there to get a player that they wouldn't
maybe necessarily thought they would have been able to get
a hold of. You're going to have schools that jump
out there and offer these types of opportunities because they
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wouldn't have been able to get hold of a five
star athlete to this Kyle Burr, if they didn't do
something differently than what the other schools are doing, which
now will eventually.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
There's two ways of looking at this.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
The bigger schools will hold their water and hope that
they can recruit guys that want to come there for
the reasons that they want them to come there for,
and if the guy goes and proves out out of
Texas Tech, then they make their decision from there, or
they say I don't want you at all.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You're not the type of guy we want on our.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Team that exists as well. But you have two ways
of approaching it. Either you say, okay, good, we're never
going to do that. We are never going to give
more than a one year contract two guys because of
how competitive this field is. Or you're going to say,
we got to start doing guaranteed contracts. The ones that
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say we're doing one year contracts, they're generally the ones
that are going to be able to dictate what the
rules are to a certain degree and a certain capacity
still can get the type of recruits that they want
and can come get your recruit if they prove out.
If you start doing the guarantee contract for more than
one year at say an Ohio State or a Michigan
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or a Texas or or one of those Alabama at
one of those type schools, then the landscape has now
took a turn for the wildest period forever.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
There's no going back.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
If Ohio State says we're giving out three year guarantees
for nil contracts before we even get to the point
of them being employee contracted players, the whole game is
going to change.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Man along for the good old days when Ricky Rose's
dad got a tractors.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean, nice, nice new John Deere in the driveway.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Instead we got all this mumbo jumbo with contracts going
around and.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
You don't even know you don't even know what happens,
like you don't even really know what really all of
the ins and outs of how it's going to be handled.
If this all of the contingencies, What if he gets injured?
What if he fails out of school? Do you have
all of those things written into that contract? How many
pieces of language are going to be in that contract?
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How many things that they think about versus how many
things that they might not have thought about yet, Like
you're gonna You can't take a pro contract and compare
to an athlete in college as a contract because the
deliverables are much different.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
They're much different.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
If a kid doesn't get a certain GPA and he
finds himself academically ineligible, does he still get that you
can't call that conduct detrimental to the organization.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
I mean maybe you could, but how you just didn't
get the grades.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
So now because of the institution that he's in, which
is in a way separate from what you're doing in football,
is now saying you're not eligible.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
To play because you don't have a good enough grade.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I still want my money. I still want my money.
You can put me on the sideline, rule me ineligible.
But this contract says if I'm here and I'm on
this team, that I get paid this amount of money.
How are all of these things going to be navigated.
It's so many questions. It's concerning in a lot of ways.
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I mean, I know it's exciting. Players should have been paid,
they should get compensated, but there should have been more
of a structure in play and prepared for a time
such as this, and now it's like, you know, the
roosters are coming back home to the roots.
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This is the Herd Line News all right, Ryan Music music,
all right now. NFL training camp right around the corner.
ESPN has released their latest rankings, surveying league executives, coaches,
and scouts. The first rendition of this is ranking the
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top running backs in the league, coming in at number one,
probably no surprise to anyone, Saquon Barkley receiving every first
place vote but one. In the seventy people surveyed Sakuon
Barkley a near unanimous number one, Derrick Henry number two,
Jamir Gibbs number three, b Jon Robinson fourth, and Christian
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McCaffrey coming in at five.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Okay, and these werec come in at five.
Speaker 9 (37:37):
Some of the feedback there was he's a great player,
but he has had Yeah, he's not durable.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
I mean it's again, it's just like that lemon card
that we were talking about.
Speaker 9 (37:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Did we talk about that on the air or was
that off air?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:49):
On their Yeah, yeah, you don't want to you don't
want to drive an ile card.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
I remember the stuff we talked about off the air.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
I try I tend to try to forget intentionally.
Speaker 9 (38:02):
Regarding Christian McCaffrey, NFL personnel executive was quoted saying, he's
an elite trainer. He takes great care of himself, just
doesn't have a big enough body. An elite trainer, takes
care of himself, but gets hurt. Like that's what you
want to say. You can't make him a top five
player if he's always hurt. I'm just that's just all
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I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
I mean, like it feels like there's some racial undertones
there to be honest, I wasn't going down that road.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
So I'm just wondering who's voting on this again.
Speaker 9 (38:31):
This is league executives, coaches, and scouts, and there was
one that voted.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Probably told Derek Henry or or he were for the
Giants or he worked for the Giant. That's a good one.
Likes a good one.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Didn't think Bark be running back in the league last year.
How's anybody voting? It could have been somebody from Baltimore.
Speaker 9 (38:56):
Come on, man, he just ran for two thousand yards
old man like he who says that?
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Like?
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Who would who would vote for anybody other than the
Saquon Bark? Who has you that that was unanimous? You
could argue he should have been the MVP of the league.
He was the MVP and somebody, somebody had the breaks.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
If he breaks the record, he's the MVP of the league,
so he should have got it for the simple.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Fact that they held him out and he did not
break the record. Done. Yeah, that seems your v seems
pretty unanimous. I don't understand. Well, it's got the vote,
but okay, hey all right, shouts out the king, Harry.
Speaker 9 (39:35):
Yeah, we'll stay in the NFL and the Washington Commanders,
their star wide receiver Terry McLaurin holding out expected to
be holding out come training camp. They're trying to deal
and the latest from Jeremy Fowler Terry McLaurin quote, not
happy with where things are regarding an extension and they
(39:57):
have a couple of weeks here to make progress before
risk before risking a holdout that drags on into training camp.
Adam Schefter also adding to the Terry McLaurin situation, there's
no update and that's what the problem is. There is
quite a gap between where both sides are and want
right now, and they have not made any progress. So
(40:20):
things not looking positive for Washington and Terry McLaurin as
they look to build on last year's a surprising NFC
championship run with Jayden Daniels in his rookie season.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Here comes to J Watt. It's getting a little j Watt,
it's getting a little dicey there. I look.
Speaker 4 (40:38):
I acknowledge generally speaking, these deals get done, you know
usually you know at the wire, right before the year whatever.
But in real time, I love this stuff. I think
it's fascinating just to see the back and forth and
how it plays out in the media, the different reports
and all the other things that are going on, the TJ.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Watt stuff.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
But Terry McLaurin, Look, he's he's a guy I can
imagine they desperately want back, just based on the fact
that he's been really one of the foundational pieces with
that team, with all the controversy and all the stuff
that's gone on over the past several years. He's always
been a really good player. But he's a wide receiver.
(41:21):
He's getting up there in years, and I could understand
their them not wanting to maybe empty the vault for
Terry McLaurin, but it would be a tough loss for
them as an organization because he's one of the team
leaders there.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
They got Noah Brown, they got Michael Gillup, they got
they added Deebo Samuel and some people think he's overweight,
but I think he's still Deebo Samuel till.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
He proves he's not. Wait, well, they said they said
that there's a new Chunky. There's a new Chunky Deebo Samuel.
I ain't going into all of that.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
That's what I've heard, but I'm just saying this might
be this might be the continued setting of the table
for TJ. Watt to end up in in Washington and
Terry ending up in in Pittsburgh. I'm just saying, body,
they say.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
It's the chunky Deebo Samuel has has shown up to
You know, he.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Can't wear them tight little shorts he's been wearing pregame
into the locker room. At the current weight that he's at.
They said he got to drop about five to ten pounds.
That's what I heard, too. Has some sun to say
about your daddy said it?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
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