June 19, 2025 • 43 mins
Issues with Shedeur Sanders is forcing Colin to move off the Browns quarterback as a favored starter. USA Today writer Christine Brennan joins Colin to talk about her new book on Caitlin Clark and how the superstar is lifting the WNBA to its moment of widespread recognition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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a five minutes. We'll have a little update on the schedure.
Sanders story not great, not great, you know, Jmac, I
know I was a big ship. I saw that sometimes
even insiders on Wall Street sell their own company stock.
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I have a right to sell my Dallian's my my
interest in Shaudre Sanders. I have sold all my shares
over the last hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, it's also, by the way, the news you're gonna
come with, it's not just the ticket that happened recently.
Oh yeah, there was another incident that we're only now
finding out about.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Colin. Oh boy, oh boy. Celtics this week sold for
six billion dollars. Lakers said, well, we're already better than
your brand. We're going to sell for ten and they
did yesterday. Yeah, people are freaking out I'm here to
tell you it is a great day to be a
Laker fan with the new owners. So the group that
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bought the Lakers already owned a part of them, Mark
Walter Group, really shrewd LA resident. All you have to
do to wonder what's going to happen to the Lakers
is look at the Dodgers scouting research and development facilities.
Patients A plus plus plus plus sharp du don't know him,
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no people that do. They spend more money than any one,
but they are very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers
have been a and pop shop for years. It's Jeanie
Buss and friends of the family. That's cute. But this
is twenty twenty five and it's pro sports. The organization
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needs more juice, more financing, more eyes, new eyes, and
this is what they have. They're going officially from dial
up to fiber optic. Yesterday was a great day to
be a Laker fan. Now the reports are well, Genie
Buss will still be the governor. She will still be
in the front office. Yeah, and that's what Mark Cuban
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told us when he sold the MAVs and then he
didn't know about the Luca trade. That's sort of a
big deal. She's not gonna have any power now. I
think she's done great in operations. She's beloving Los Angeles,
a really cool person. Having her around the organization is awesome.
But this is a whole different bullge. When you spend
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ten billion dollars to buy something, you're going to have
the final say. And that's what the Lakers need. This
Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and upgrade constantly.
They don't get money away. They could have had Manny Machado.
No Corey Bellinger MVP, Corey Seeger. They'll move off people.
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Since Mark Walter and his group have arrived, here's the reality.
The Dodgers are first or tied for first, and wins
pennants titles, world series titles. And I hear this stuff.
I hear all the fearmongers. Colin just another oligarc another
billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You want to
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know the worst owners in my life, Ted Stepien, look
it up, Donald Sterling, Marg Shott. None of them were
venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were global
asset managers, small thinkers, bad people. Not this group. When
you watch the Dodgers man, they don't miss. It's impressive.
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By the way, a lot of teams spend money. Yankees
spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never
are so. Even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments,
they're always a step ahead. They go and get the
very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew
Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa. They went
and got him. They were working on that Otani deal
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three years when he was an angel. Three years out
they started working on that deal. I would not be
surprised if they doubled the r indeed doubled the scouting department.
The Lakers have too many friends and family. I'm looking
for a meritocracy, not a barbecue. This is a great day.
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Don't be afraid of something that's been in the building
for years now. They own all of it. I think
the Lakers. The Bus family owned fifteen percent for a
couple of years. Okay, so you know I have been
telling you should or Sanders accuracy is impressive. But for
years and years and years, it just happens to be
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always with Cleveland. I've said quarterback and decision making and
maturity matters. The perfect quarterback in terms of maturity was Brady. Now.
I think Jalen Hurts is hard to be. I mean,
he goes to the press conference every Wednesday, and I mean, honestly,
it's like is he is he a managing partner at
a law firm, Like he is a grown up. If
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they got a Philadelphia has got all sorts of noise,
he puts it out. That guy he should just bring
a fire extinguisher with Nick Sirianni and Big Dom and
a j Brown. Guy puts out fires better than anybody.
And then there's the Cleveland Browns. I warned you about
Baker Mayfield. I said he's starting fires, not putting him out.
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If he was a receiver, I wouldn't care or a corner.
That's right, Johnny Manziel talented, He's starting fires, He's not
putting him out as right. I know. On the Reddit boards,
Brown fans took me apart. I warned you about Deshaun Watson.
You think that is a guaranteed contract those personal missteps
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to be diplomatic. Okay, So I championed Shoudearge Sanders. I
didn't love that he was sort of petty sometimes in games.
But again young athletes. I get it, a little bit
of it, and I did not like the cringey draft
room legendary. I mean, you think you think Dion would
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have talked him out of that. Come on, man, you're
a be prospect. And I said at the time, and
not everything, it's cringey. Then word came out this morning
and I said, okay, I'm out new information, I'm a pilot,
new route, I'm off him. Report came out this morning
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that he got busted for one hundred and one mile
an hour speeding ticket. Now word is out that he
did not show up for his arrangement arrangement for that,
and it's the second speeding ticket he's gotten. And remember
he's a pro athlete in Cleveland. They prefer not to
give him tickets. They don't want to give Brown's quarterbacks tickets.
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So I've got now. Drip drip, drip drip. That's what
I always said with Johnny Manziel. Drip drip, drip becomes
a gush. That's what I said about Baker, drip drip.
It's just this and this and this. If there was
never a legendary draft room and maybe this recent speeding ticket,
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you know you know he's going fifteen twenty over now.
I got the petulance as he played the legendary draft
room one hundred mile an hour pic ticket, mister rainment,
another speeding ticket. I'm out, it matters, I'm out. I'm
not interesting that. Starting tomorrow we will have weekly Kenny
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Pickett features on the show Say what you want abou
Kenny Pickett. I don't hear anything about his private life,
so I'm sorry. And I've written about this in my
first book, and I've talked about it four years. Go ahead,
defend bad behavior. I remember having a friend that was
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close I don't want to call. He's a popular media
figure in Chicago. Was friends with Jay Cutler, and I
had talked to him a couple of times. I didn't
like Jay Cutler's body language on the sidelines, and he said, listen,
I've hung with him. It ain't great. And I started
hearing about Jay Cutler off the field, and I was
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kind of out. I was like, I know he's talented.
You had a big time arm. Jay Cutler could sling it, baby,
he could sling it. But I didn't like what I
was here learning about what he was like in the room,
how he treated fans get a little wild in his
personal life, and I said, I'm out. And I've been
consistent with this forever. I want you to be Herbert
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and Brady. I want you to be Dak Prescott. I
may say Dak is overpaid, that guy is a grown up,
and Dak's not perfect. Again, Dak had a little skirmish
in college. I'm not asking to be perfect in college.
I'm not asking for that Shadoors not in college, that
legendary draft room. He's out of college. Now you're a professional.
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I'm done. It's okay, it's okay. By the way, Dylan
Gabriel starting to be a primary topic on this show
going forward. But you know, you can say, well, it's
not that big of a deal. Yeah, you or nobody
in your family's ever had the corner office job or
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been a quarterback. It is when you're when you're a
you know again, people make mista, people get Duy's people.
I like nobody everybody understands that. But he already dropped
to one hundred and forty fourth in the draft. He
was already on fin ice. I mean, they're not even
practicing him in the ones. Okay, so he's on finn
Ice two tickets. So Albert Breer earlier, it's not the
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end of the world, but for me.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
It is it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
We got you're supposed to put fires out. I'm done.
Here's Albert Breer.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
The issue now is that, really, if you're the Browns,
what you're looking for Shador Sanders to do from a
work standpoint is come in and operate as if he's
the thirtieth or fortieth or fiftieth guy on the roster,
because that's exactly what he is as a fifth round pick.
He's a guy who's fighting not for their starting job,
for a job on the team period. This is a
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guy you're looking to blend in. And so this is
one of those things where it's like, ah, that's not great. Now,
let's see how he'll react again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Something's going to get him kicked off the team.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But it's something you pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
By the way, Jay Mac, is it me or is
Dylan Gabriel looking a little taller this morning?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah? Certainly Dylan Gabriel very appealing.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I need to come clean with you an admission. I
was cited out here in LA for a red light
ticket last year. I just didn't want it to come
out in the press. I wanted to make you aware
of it before you were out on me for a
red light ticket. It was pricey, but it was definitely me.
I made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, I'm a full stop guy, so I have to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Listen, Schador's going to bounce back from this. I have
a feeling. But I am very curious if other folks
follow you Cam Newton, who's been very defensive when anybody
says anything about Shador dah, Let's see what cam Newton
and company have to say.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You can criticize me all you want for my opinion.
I don't cling to opinions when I get new information.
I always say this, if if somebody came up to
you and let's say you, you know, you had some equities,
you had a four oh one K, you had company stock,
and you were you were fifty years old, you had kids,
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and you had some of your net worth in company stock, right,
and somebody came up to you and said, do the
CEO and two of the vice presidents are selling their stock?
Would you be just like, Hey, my opinion is this
isn't this company?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I got new information? Why is the most important people.
Why are the most important people suddenly all simultaneously selling
company stock? Do you want to get in a plane?
And the pilot goes, listen, we got new radar, but
I'm going right into that lightning store, new information, new opinion.
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I'm a pilot, I'm changing my route. I'm flying around
Shadoor Sanders, and I'm I'm bringing that plane down at
Dylan Gabriel International.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh what is the fanske talking to the media. I listen,
nobody's asking about what's the running back situation at Cleveland
or how's the wide receiver room. It's gonna be like
what's going on with Shudor Sanders and his speeding issues.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I know I'm not even gonna watch, but I can
tell you the feedback on this, no big deal what
you said about Manzielle just set about Baker and I
kept telling you in Cleveland. And for the record, there
are there is a belief that the coach in the
GM did not want to draft him anyway. Okay, they're
Dylan Gabriel fans. So you talk about on fin ice.
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If you thought you were on thin ice right, or
you thought you had a big contract coming up, wouldn't
you just be a little more careful over those four
or five. I mean there's times in life that we're
all more careful. Right something's coming up. Oh oh you're
you know. It's like, oh, I've got a big event
coming up. I've got a corporate deal coming up. And
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it's just like, I gotta i gotta act my age
for this. I gotta be ready for this. All of
us do that in life. We button it up for
a party or an event or where we have an
off site meeting. I'm gonna be you know. Makes Yeah,
It's just like it's not It's just not difficult. Some
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Caitlin Clark thoughts from an insider.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well. She's written seven the best selling author seven different books.
One of her sports books, Inside Edge, is considered one
of the one hundred best sports books ever written. Sixteen
of the last winter and Summer Olympics, She's been to
all of them. Award Winning national author and Christine Brennan
now is joining us. She has a new book. I
just started reading it last night on her game, Caitlin
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Clark in The Revolution and Women's Sports, You've covered a
lot of women's basketball. That book is available in July
early July. And again, I just got a sneak peak
last night and started diving into it. So I was
pretty critical, and you have as well. With a WNBA,
I mean, when they opened up with New York and Connecticut,
I'm like, people, give this lady a break. This is rough,
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But I will be honest, I thought she would be
a star. Can I defend the WNBA last year and say, hey,
they didn't know she was going to become Tiger Woods
with merchandise. Could I defend the WNBA? Or did they
just Christine? Did they? Did they just kind of butcher
her first year?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know, Colin, I think there were signs of what
was coming, and I think those signs were missed when
you look at as so many of us did, watching her,
you know, from home right and watching the junior years
start to develop. Obviously, going to the final four, take
King and Iowa team that no one predicted would go
that far. Then to the final game losing of course
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to LSU. The logo threes, the forty one point games,
the triple doubles, just the you know, really the high
wire act.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
It's Caitlin Clark is a basketball player for sure, but
she's really an entertainer. And that was clear, I think
to many of us. And then the senior year where
you've got people lined up in eighteen nineteen twenty thousand
arenas seed arenas in you know, at Maryland and Ohio
State and in the in January, you know, for hours
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waiting to get in to see her play. She's barnstorming
right around the country, or at least around a good
chunk of it. I think the signs were there that
this was a huge deal. And as I report in
the book and talk about this issue, and I do
have a lot on this topic in the book, you know,
I think that there was probably a thought within the WNBA,
which I've really covered from the get go, that could
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this be possible? You know, the WNBA was basically ignorrey
the male dominated mainstream sports media for years, and you
know that's that's one of the realities of our sports world. Well,
I'm wondering if it was just something like, oh, could
this possibly carry over? Obviously it carried over, it's it's
been an extraordinary story that you've covered that I've covered,
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so many of us have, and I think, yes, I
think you could see something was coming. And I'm not
so sure that the WNBA. In fact, I am sure
the wa NBA was not prepared for the magnitude of
the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So Chris Brussard said something yesterday or the day before
on FS one, and Chris said, it actually was a
bit beneficial that her skirmishes were not by African American
w NBA players, because it because we got into this
whole racial stuff. And Chris said, no, she's a trash talker,
nobody likes her off the Indiana fever. And I thought
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it was an interesting whether that's right or not, I
thought it was an interesting take. Is that when there
was a lot of talk earlier about Angel Rees and
the the kind of a racial component, did you buy that?
Did you think that was a fair story.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Certainly, the issue of raise is a big deal in
this story, and I delve into that with wonderful voices
black and white, great leaders, thought leaders like doctor Harry Edwards,
of course, who was the impetus for the nineteen sixty
eight Mexico City Black Power salute other voices. Briana Scurry.
You know, I think it's very important to deal with that.
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I think would be naive you and I talking if
we didn't realize and of course understand, as Chris would
say and did say that clearly, that there are those
issues involved. You know, the Kennedy Carter hipcheck, which I
go into in depth because that, of course is last season.
It was such a huge moment, not just with the WNBA,
frankly Colin, but in our culture, you know, but people
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are talking about it for days.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Of course that was Kennedy Carter, who is black, and
that WNBA did not the referees did not deal with
it in the moment, just like the one with Marina Maybray,
of course, who's white. So you've got two of these
kind of blindstet in fact not kind of blind siding
situations of the person who is the biggest economic driver
in the WNBA, one white, one black. But yes, you
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cannot take race out of this conversation, nor should we
take race out of this conversation, because there's there's so
many elements of this story that do involve a seventy
four percent black league that never got these players never
got their due never. I fought for it. I've written
about it, I talked about it, and people will ignore
them for decades, and thankfully they're not ignoring them now. Obviously,
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some of what we're seeing is some stuff that we
would relate rather not see.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, it's listening to you, Christine Brennan joining it
for the radio audience. The game is the book is
excuse me? On her game, Caitlin Clark and the Revolution
and went in sports. It sounds like you think the
WNBA is again making a mistake by not at least
sending a message and suspending the young lady that ran
her over yesterday? Am I right in interpreting that, Yes,
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yes you are.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You know, we got some interesting data a couple of
weeks ago when Kaitlyn Clark was injured missed those five games,
gone about three weeks. The USA Today, my colleague Jeff
Szilgut actually reported that the TV attendance for the entire
TV audience for the entire league, not just the dent
of Fever, but the entire league TV audience dropped more
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than fifty percent. That means that more than half of
the TV audience for the WNBA disappeared when Kaitlyn Clark
was gone.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You know, I covered Tiger the length of his career.
We never saw those numbers with Tiger. We saw big
drops with when Tiger was gone Michael Jordan, I looked
nowhere near those kind of drops. So this athlete, Kaitlyn
Clark is so important to the financial future of the
WNBA at the time. By the way, as you know
that the CBA, the Collective Barneying Agreement is open and
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will be being negotiated, this is a key moment for
the WNBA in terms of salaries and TV and the
four times now that the TV contract is four times
more than it was before. That's a wonderful development. Caitlin
Clark is really the engine here driving all of it.
And now you have this data, and I know that
a lot of people don't like that. Fats are facts,
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numbers are numbers. That's it. And for me, the whole
reason I even looked at this story as I did,
wrote a few columns for USA Today, and then eventually
had a book deal. But even before then, I realized,
having covered sports for a long time, call it that
I never thought that I would see arena's packed to
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the rafters and TV ratings more than the man as
we know, four million more for the women's final in
the NCAA Championship in twenty four than the men the
next night. Because of Caitlin Clark, all of these things
that we would see arenas having to be games being
moved to bigger arenas. We were talking about a female athlete.
Never in my lifetime did I think I would see that,
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And I think that's what makes this so remarkable and
so different from another, you know, phenom coming into a sport,
the magnitude of for her and what she means to
the w and the WNBA. You know, we talked about Tiger.
There was golf, you know, and Tiger did of course
lift golf, but golf had already had Arnie and Jack
and Tom Watson and so many others and even going
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away before that. The NBA obviously needed the boost of
Bird of Magic, but it it also had, you know,
of course, great names from the past, Will Chamberlain, Bill Russell,
those great teams, the Celtics and others. So what I
guess I'm saying is that the WNBA needed this more
than any other of the sports that we kind of
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try to compare Caitlin to with those great phenoms lifting
a sport. She is even more important to her sport
than those guys were to theirs.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
This is Rick Buker mentioned this yesterday. I think Stephen
Ada as well, that you know, we're playing the victim
thing with the skirmish a little hot. She is a
trash talker, she's Larry Bird. And by the way, I
don't know, I never uh am going to assume you've
ever watched anything. But my take in this whole thing
is if you respect women, then let's treat them more
like guys. Basketball. They're gonna fight, they're gonna flagrant, they're
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gonna technical, they're gonna swear, they're gonna be inappropriate. That's
how this thing works basketball. The WNBA is not a
vertical league. It has been chippy for twenty years. It
is a chippy It's a more linear, more horizon. They
don't do Jah Moran and jump over you. They elbow.
These are physical women and we're finding out they talk
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trash and my take is it is a wonderful thing.
But back to my initial point is are we making
her more of a victim that she's got a little
Larry Bird and some of this stuff. Maybe she's got
it common.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Oh, the last person who wants to be seen as
a victims Caitlin Clark A lot of time are on
the team. And by the way, I disagree with Chris
on that point about that they hate her or don't
like her. They love her. They love her, and some
of the new players they brought in wanted to come right.
They saw what was going on in Indiana. They saw
the opportunities to do the deals that you know, and
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go to the supermarket and the gas station and whatever
and meet people and get the whatever the fee is
for that, the honorarium that Caitlyn can't do all that stuff.
So there's a lot of people who like Caitlyn Clarks
a lot, but she is a trash talker. Absolutely. They
had to have the de Escalation Committee last year to
drag her away from trouble when she was close to
getting the seventh technical that would have meant she would
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have had to sit out a game. Oh yeah, she's feisty,
she's tough, she's strong the way she revs up a
crowd and people love her for that. Colin. So I
agree with you. I think there's absolutely no reason to
coddle these athletes. I certainly when the questions I asked,
I'm not coddling them. If I'm going to ask the
men that question, I a male athlete, I will ask
a female athlete. Obviously that was something that people got
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mad about last year. That's journalism one on one to me,
and yes, now Kaitlyn Clark absolutely can take it now.
The question is though the Chief shots the out of
the blue, you don't see them coming, cheap shot, the
freight train kind of thing of Marina Maybray, is that
smart to not have them have that punished by a
game or two suspension. I'm thinking not With what we
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talked about before, Colin, the magnitude of Kitlyn Clark, what
she means for this league at this moment.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, I know the league send messages all the time.
I mean, the NFL will change rules in a season.
And I think I said this earlier. I didn't know
what to do with it. Obviously garnered a technical, but
you can make a compelling argument they should probably just
for messaging, they should probably sit that player down for
a game or two, just if nothing else, just tone
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and messaging My mom would from time to time when
I was a kid, sit me down just for messaging,
and it was always very effective. So that leagues have
been doing that my entire life. Christine Brennan on her game,
Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports, July eighth.
It's out. I started it last night, folks. Last year
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I called her Taylor Swift in basketball shoes. This is
this is a new frontier. This is it's this stuff
is incredible. Think about this. They outdrew the Pacers, and
the Pacers are in the finals, and the Pacers are
the fastest paced NBA team, so they play an incredibly
aesthetically pleasing style of basketball and the Fever outdraw them.
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That is in itself remarkable. Christine final thoughts on the
book and if I if I'm on the I don't
know if I want to buy tell people kind of
where you go on this. A lot of stuff I've
learned early that I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, that was my hope. You know, it's a journalistic
noebolds bard look at this time, it's unauthorized, and that's
a good thing. It's that means that I am not
working with Caitlin. She answered all my questions. Is amazing.
She is as good as you'd hope she would be,
looks you in the eye, answers, everything goes on for
several minutes. I write in the book Colin, she's twenty
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two going on forty or fifty. Remarkable, especially with the
issues and the things that were thrown at her, for sure,
and she's kept it up again this year. And you know,
I break a lot of news more on the Olympic
snub that I think is the worst team selection decision
I've ever seen in covering the Olympics since the eighties. Yeah,
and a lot of thank you and yeah, I mean
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it looks worse by the day. Obviously it's a year
old now, so we can move on, but it is.
I think people will be fascinated by that a lot
from Caitlin's friends, you know, Kate Martin got Tamika catchings
throughout the book. As I mentioned talking about the start
of the WNBA, how tough that was, how important that was.
I really tried to touch on every important issue of
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this last year and a half at this extraordinary time
in our country. And I do think people who follow
her closely will still be very surprised by some of
the things in the book and very proud of it.
And certainly again, Caitlin Clark is a worthy story at
this time. I mean truly, I think you can make
the case. Not only is she one of our most
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famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans. Period.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You grandmothers and grandfathers in the produce section would never
watch that. They're looking for where ion is or whatever
on their TV set to make sure that they can
watch Caitlin Clark play. And that's a great thing for
all those other players to get that attention as well.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Christine, thank you so much. Good Scenian, you two, Colin,
thank you. That's interesting when she could remember when they
didn't put her on the Olympic team and I said, folks,
get her on the team. What are you doing? And
I got a lot of pushback. You're out of touch,
you don't understand. I said, here's what I understand. Sometimes
(28:59):
an artist gets hot. Martin, you'd know this. You put him,
You put him on the tour. Coachella's like, let's get
him in. Well, I mean they've only sold so many records. Yeah,
put him you just Coachella, get him out there in
the desert is not putting her on the Olympics. I'm
glad Twisting Brennan has that take, because hees didn't get
(29:23):
that at all. The league got a little too precious,
a little too precious. All right, j mc where did
you land on that one?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I am like the Olympic one.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, Oh that was goofy.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I mean, you know, it goes back. Do you remember
Steph Curry when he zoomed past like Chris Paul and
Russell Westbrook and became like a major phenom in the country.
Everybody knew Steph Curry. There was jealousy and hate for
him from Chris Paul west Westbrook. They were supposed to
be the next great stars and they were anger. I
think the same thing happened with Caitlin Clark. She zoomed
pasted every in the league, right, and they were like, well,
(30:01):
we're putting a rookie on the Olympic team. Let's settle down. Yeah.
I got the Christine Brennan book, very excited.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
To read that thing.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, you know, we're all in on Kaitlin Clark, Colin,
She's a big story, like huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That Olympic thing was really polarizing and again, and I
remember at the time saying, sometimes just don't outthink they're
room an. Artists gets hot and athletes get just make
make accept people go. Well, we don't want to create
a precedence. Kaitlin Clark is the Precedent's there are no more.
There's never been another Tiger Woods. Rory McElroy's got talent,
(30:39):
but he doesn't have Tiger's will and force. There are
no other Like like, we may never see another Mahomes.
Josh Allen's great, so is Lamar Mahomes got Andy Reid.
We may never see this again. Yeah, okay, so like
a lot of the greatest of all time. We'll never
see a basketball player like Lebron no way not was
(31:00):
it eight straight finals or Wayne Gretzky eight straight MVPs.
That's never happening again. Well, we're never gonna see that again.
Yeah all right. Herd Line News around the Corner Back.
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Speaker 1 (31:41):
J Mack with the news on the news.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, uh Colins O your Rams. Remember Jared Versus
What a season he had. Boy, he was phenomenal. The
sacks weren't there, but the pressures were fourth most of
any defensive player last year.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Recently retired offensive tackle Tront Armstead gave an interview and
said he's glad he doesn't have to face Jared Verse anymore.
He was a rookie.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
From the Rams, that young boy, Jered Verse. Yeah, I'm cool,
I'm good. I never got to see that man again.
I'm alright with I'm okay with that never seeing that
young man again in my life. Bull rush different. Oh
it's different. You know that it is coming. You brace yourself.
(32:35):
He's different, Jerry Versus different. He would be a defensive
Player of the Year one of these days.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Mark my word. Wow, I think there's an argument that
at some point here this year he will be the
second best pass rusher to Miles Garrett in the league.
That's how good he is.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Put your money where your mouth is and bet him
Defensive Player of the Year. Take a flyer on that one.
Huh better than DJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I just hope Rock pretty remains upright. This kid is
this kid is he is different? Well versus he's.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Gonna have to get around Trent Williams. First of all,
Trent decent, decent tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Let me tell you this. I remember reading the draft
preview on him, and you know, he nitpicked these young
athletes and they were saying, like Jared Verse, he's only
got one move, He's just strictly a bull rusher. And
then these three hundred and thirty pounds oh tackles are like, yeah,
it's different. Yeah, he may only have one move, but
you can't block that move like it he bulldozes. Think
(33:38):
about how hard it is to move an athletics six
foot six and a half three hundred and thirty five
pounds die. He knocks them backwards and he is what
is he weigh to sixty five two safe me? So
he is sixty pounds less. He knocks these and they
know he's coming. It's not blindsiding. Look at this, Look
at these double teams. He just he just man. And
(33:58):
this is the Eagles O line. He just manhandles Pro
Bowl tackles, manhandles them.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, I never played football, but that's kind of
how I think I would look if I played defensive end.
I mean versus every what an animal. Let's move to
the Denver Broncos. Colin boy, their defense was excellent last
year and they got to the playoffs. Bo Nixon, Sean Payton, Well,
Sean Payton, talking to the media, expects the team to
have a real good defense, adding there are a lot
(34:26):
of ways to help a young quarterback, any quarterback, and
a good defense helps. Now a lot of people would say, oh,
just give him the weapons, but the defense means, hey man,
you just have to not make mistakes and we good.
You don't need to throw the ball thirty times. We
don't need weapons because our defense is going to keep
us in gains. And I think that's the idea in
dead Well.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's been one of the problems with Detroit is that
Goff in his first couple of years got into shootouts.
And Jared Goff's not a guy, you know, because he
doesn't have a lot of us capability. If you keep
asking your offensive line the pass flock for forty four throws,
it's a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So I think my take has always been, even with
Patrick Mahomes, I want him throwing twenty eight times a game.
I do not want my offensive line back. Offensive lineman
love run blocking. None of them like pass blocking. Right,
Like you make one mistake pass blocking, you're on the highlights.
So I mean, just for all things considered, even Mahomes
(35:23):
and Josh Allen, you get to about twenty eight, go
look at Dak's numbers when they ask him to throw
over like thirty three throws. He has a losing record.
There is when you start asking quarterbacks an old lineman,
that's a high risk, multiple blitzes, balls in the air.
Just it doesn't long term, it's not a way to
win games consistently.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
And final story connas back to the Lakers in their
new ownership. Well, Mark Walter, the big billionaire, you know,
he had a stake in the Dodgers and it kind
of went well well. After the news broke of Walter
buying the Lakers, a reporter asked Dodgers manager Dave Roberts
about some photo shops going around of show, hey, o'tani
(36:06):
in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What's your message to their fans being hands off.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think right. Yes, that's my message,
hands off of show. Hey, yeah, they they got they got,
they got enough superstars. We're in the purple ankle. Yeah,
leave him alone.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It will be interesting though, if you look at the
way they have run the Dodgers. They will pay, but
they'll move off stars in their twenties, Bellinger Seeger, Max
Scherzer was older. I think he was in his thirties. Uh.
Manny Machado had a good year with the Dodgers, and
they knew he was going to the Podrais. They knew
(36:46):
the Podreys were in it, and they're like, go ahead,
and uh. If I recall I could be wrong on
the Zach Grinkey was another one A picture. I think.
I think Mark Walters group owned the Dodgers at that point.
I could be wrong, but he a lot of people
thought they should have paid him. They let him go
to Arizona.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
If I recall, so pretty crazy stack. In the last
twelve years since Walters took over in twenty twelve, the
Dodgers have been how do we say this is decent?
I mean, look at their MLB rank and wins first
divisional titles, first and Al Pennance tied for first World
Series types. That's just since this guy took over. Now,
obviously baseball note salary cap. You could just spend as
(37:23):
much as you want. But the thing is he's got
the infrastructure with the Dodgers where they've got everything laid down.
I mean it is perfect, Their scouting systems impeccable. You
start adding that to the Lakers. I think Luca at
least wins one title with the Lakers, maybe two or three.
They're going to get that roster stacked, I would say, with.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Him in all three years. The key to it is
there are general managers in this league and every sport.
There are general managers. Howie Roseman NFL Beach is very
respected in Kansas City. There are general managers as these
salary caps. Like the NBA was the last well, I
(38:04):
just say, the NBA until about a year ago, two
years ago, I mean we saw Golden State do it.
You could stack your roster, you could just have you're
paying Draymond step Clay Katie, you could pay everybody who cares.
Boston was the last roster like that, and now they're
moving off. They're going to move off multiple big contracts.
The reality is general managers are really important in the NFL,
(38:30):
and that's going to become the key watch. My first
take is now Rob Polenka signed a new deal with
Genie Buss. I don't know, but and they do like him,
and he deserves some credit. Austin Reeves is undrafted. I'm
you know, but if you go look at the way
the Dodgers did it, they got their scouting department up
and cooking. I would not be surprised if they didn't
(38:51):
add extensively to the Lakers scouting department overseas, just just
add bodies to it.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, I mean if you go look at the Philadelphia
Eagle scouting department and the Cincinnati Bengals, why are the
Eagles draft better than the Bengals. It's not just Howie Rose,
but he's not in his Volkswagon van driving around the
country scouting Division FCS football. He's got a massive staff
and he coordinates it well.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
JJ Reddick when he came into the Lakers, was like, Oh,
I'm big on analytics. Where's our analytics department? They were like, yeah,
go into that office, cubby hole, and he's like, what
the hell is this?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So he's already started to build out the analytics crew
with the Lakers. Listen, they're going to be going to
the moon by lakerstock right now, Folks.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the news.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We were talking about this a couple of days ago,
were saying this, jmac is like, tonight's fascinating. I am
actually strangely equally interested in the Indiana Pacers and OKC
as I am Caitlin Clark facing one of the league's
(40:02):
most physical basketball teams. And I can't explain it. Like
sometimes some we're all distracted our iPhones. I mean, I
don't know how many hours a day you're on your phone.
I try to stay under hour and a half, but
I read a lot on the phone. But the truth
is we're just a very distracted nation and so and
this has really hurt baseball, basketball, hockey regular season ratings.
(40:25):
That's why it's kind of a yeah, because like we'll
watch events, NBA Finals playoffs, a Saturday night NBA game,
college football, we watch events, I mean, because the we're
Olympic events, Olympic ratings up, World Cup up, you know,
UFC pay per view everything. The events have never been
more popular and profitable, but getting people to watch Monday
(40:46):
through Thursday or Monday through Friday regular season games is
a real struggle. That's why Baseball in the last couple
of years has seen that. And Fox deserves a lot
of credit. Our Fox management has gone to Baseball for
four or five years and said, guys, you have to
create events. Mets Philly's over in London, the game in Iowa.
You know the Fox management. I think I can say
(41:07):
that now. I hope I don't called into the principal's office.
But Fox went to baseball and said, you don't have
enough events. The home run Derby's are highest rated non
World Series game. Do more stuff like that, and it mattered.
And so Baseball has been doing that and changing rules
and there's an immediate payoff at tenants again is up.
(41:28):
Ratings are again up, so Baseball, and it's harder for
baseball because you have one hundred and sixty two games.
You have so much inventory. There's no scarcity in baseball
until the postseason. So you can see Baseball is the
greatest example. If you make stuff feel more urgent, you
shorten the games. So every inning feels bigger and if
(41:48):
you create events. American people have always loved baseball. It
just got long. And we're on our iPhone, so I
don't know what it is. I can't explain it. But
Caitlin Clark games. I literally check, Oh, what what channel
are they on? And what time are they on?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, tonight, Caitlin Clark's probably TV two for Amazon Prime
TV one. USA Saudi Arabia call. I'm just gonna remind you.
At the last World Cup, Argentina lost its opener with
Messi to Saudi Arabia. So this team is no joke,
no pushover. I am seeing a little bit of US
game day money coming in and they're up to minus
one eighty five on the money line to win tonight.
(42:25):
USA Saudi Arabia is a big game.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
You called game one. You said it was gonna be
four or five nothing.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I kind of want to be a little nerdy and
go one to one tonight, but I will go to
one USA over Saudi Arabia this.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Pochatino to get blasted here. You lose O two and
the sky is officially fallwing. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I mean, listen, in the big picture, it doesn't matter
that much a loss for our show tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You're probably gonna lead with it if they lose.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Ye Oh, USA Soccer is on f S one.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's the course it is.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We have the tournament massive okay FS one tonight TV
number one USA Soccer
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Sanders story not great, not great, you know, Jmac, I
know I was a big ship. I saw that sometimes
even insiders on Wall Street sell their own company stock.
(00:48):
I have a right to sell my Dallian's my my
interest in Shaudre Sanders. I have sold all my shares
over the last hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Well, it's also, by the way, the news you're gonna
come with, it's not just the ticket that happened recently.
Oh yeah, there was another incident that we're only now
finding out about.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Colin. Oh boy, oh boy. Celtics this week sold for
six billion dollars. Lakers said, well, we're already better than
your brand. We're going to sell for ten and they
did yesterday. Yeah, people are freaking out I'm here to
tell you it is a great day to be a
Laker fan with the new owners. So the group that
(01:29):
bought the Lakers already owned a part of them, Mark
Walter Group, really shrewd LA resident. All you have to
do to wonder what's going to happen to the Lakers
is look at the Dodgers scouting research and development facilities.
Patients A plus plus plus plus sharp du don't know him,
(01:50):
no people that do. They spend more money than any one,
but they are very judicious. They rarely miss. The Lakers
have been a and pop shop for years. It's Jeanie
Buss and friends of the family. That's cute. But this
is twenty twenty five and it's pro sports. The organization
(02:12):
needs more juice, more financing, more eyes, new eyes, and
this is what they have. They're going officially from dial
up to fiber optic. Yesterday was a great day to
be a Laker fan. Now the reports are well, Genie
Buss will still be the governor. She will still be
in the front office. Yeah, and that's what Mark Cuban
(02:33):
told us when he sold the MAVs and then he
didn't know about the Luca trade. That's sort of a
big deal. She's not gonna have any power now. I
think she's done great in operations. She's beloving Los Angeles,
a really cool person. Having her around the organization is awesome.
But this is a whole different bullge. When you spend
(02:54):
ten billion dollars to buy something, you're going to have
the final say. And that's what the Lakers need. This
Dodger group, I'm telling you, man, they update and upgrade constantly.
They don't get money away. They could have had Manny Machado.
No Corey Bellinger MVP, Corey Seeger. They'll move off people.
(03:15):
Since Mark Walter and his group have arrived, here's the reality.
The Dodgers are first or tied for first, and wins
pennants titles, world series titles. And I hear this stuff.
I hear all the fearmongers. Colin just another oligarc another
billionaire that doesn't care about the team. You want to
(03:38):
know the worst owners in my life, Ted Stepien, look
it up, Donald Sterling, Marg Shott. None of them were
venture capitalists. None of them, like Mark Walter, were global
asset managers, small thinkers, bad people. Not this group. When
you watch the Dodgers man, they don't miss. It's impressive.
(04:01):
By the way, a lot of teams spend money. Yankees
spend a lot of money. They're top heavy. Dodgers never
are so. Even the way they finance stuff, deferred payments,
they're always a step ahead. They go and get the
very best people. When they took the Dodgers over, Andrew
Friedman was the hot shot GM in Tampa. They went
and got him. They were working on that Otani deal
(04:23):
three years when he was an angel. Three years out
they started working on that deal. I would not be
surprised if they doubled the r indeed doubled the scouting department.
The Lakers have too many friends and family. I'm looking
for a meritocracy, not a barbecue. This is a great day.
(04:44):
Don't be afraid of something that's been in the building
for years now. They own all of it. I think
the Lakers. The Bus family owned fifteen percent for a
couple of years. Okay, so you know I have been
telling you should or Sanders accuracy is impressive. But for
years and years and years, it just happens to be
(05:05):
always with Cleveland. I've said quarterback and decision making and
maturity matters. The perfect quarterback in terms of maturity was Brady. Now.
I think Jalen Hurts is hard to be. I mean,
he goes to the press conference every Wednesday, and I mean, honestly,
it's like is he is he a managing partner at
a law firm, Like he is a grown up. If
(05:27):
they got a Philadelphia has got all sorts of noise,
he puts it out. That guy he should just bring
a fire extinguisher with Nick Sirianni and Big Dom and
a j Brown. Guy puts out fires better than anybody.
And then there's the Cleveland Browns. I warned you about
Baker Mayfield. I said he's starting fires, not putting him out.
(05:49):
If he was a receiver, I wouldn't care or a corner.
That's right, Johnny Manziel talented, He's starting fires, He's not
putting him out as right. I know. On the Reddit boards,
Brown fans took me apart. I warned you about Deshaun Watson.
You think that is a guaranteed contract those personal missteps
(06:14):
to be diplomatic. Okay, So I championed Shoudearge Sanders. I
didn't love that he was sort of petty sometimes in games.
But again young athletes. I get it, a little bit
of it, and I did not like the cringey draft
room legendary. I mean, you think you think Dion would
(06:39):
have talked him out of that. Come on, man, you're
a be prospect. And I said at the time, and
not everything, it's cringey. Then word came out this morning
and I said, okay, I'm out new information, I'm a pilot,
new route, I'm off him. Report came out this morning
(06:59):
that he got busted for one hundred and one mile
an hour speeding ticket. Now word is out that he
did not show up for his arrangement arrangement for that,
and it's the second speeding ticket he's gotten. And remember
he's a pro athlete in Cleveland. They prefer not to
give him tickets. They don't want to give Brown's quarterbacks tickets.
(07:21):
So I've got now. Drip drip, drip drip. That's what
I always said with Johnny Manziel. Drip drip, drip becomes
a gush. That's what I said about Baker, drip drip.
It's just this and this and this. If there was
never a legendary draft room and maybe this recent speeding ticket,
(07:42):
you know you know he's going fifteen twenty over now.
I got the petulance as he played the legendary draft
room one hundred mile an hour pic ticket, mister rainment,
another speeding ticket. I'm out, it matters, I'm out. I'm
not interesting that. Starting tomorrow we will have weekly Kenny
(08:04):
Pickett features on the show Say what you want abou
Kenny Pickett. I don't hear anything about his private life,
so I'm sorry. And I've written about this in my
first book, and I've talked about it four years. Go ahead,
defend bad behavior. I remember having a friend that was
(08:26):
close I don't want to call. He's a popular media
figure in Chicago. Was friends with Jay Cutler, and I
had talked to him a couple of times. I didn't
like Jay Cutler's body language on the sidelines, and he said, listen,
I've hung with him. It ain't great. And I started
hearing about Jay Cutler off the field, and I was
(08:50):
kind of out. I was like, I know he's talented.
You had a big time arm. Jay Cutler could sling it, baby,
he could sling it. But I didn't like what I
was here learning about what he was like in the room,
how he treated fans get a little wild in his
personal life, and I said, I'm out. And I've been
consistent with this forever. I want you to be Herbert
(09:12):
and Brady. I want you to be Dak Prescott. I
may say Dak is overpaid, that guy is a grown up,
and Dak's not perfect. Again, Dak had a little skirmish
in college. I'm not asking to be perfect in college.
I'm not asking for that Shadoors not in college, that
legendary draft room. He's out of college. Now you're a professional.
(09:35):
I'm done. It's okay, it's okay. By the way, Dylan
Gabriel starting to be a primary topic on this show
going forward. But you know, you can say, well, it's
not that big of a deal. Yeah, you or nobody
in your family's ever had the corner office job or
(09:55):
been a quarterback. It is when you're when you're a
you know again, people make mista, people get Duy's people.
I like nobody everybody understands that. But he already dropped
to one hundred and forty fourth in the draft. He
was already on fin ice. I mean, they're not even
practicing him in the ones. Okay, so he's on finn
Ice two tickets. So Albert Breer earlier, it's not the
(10:21):
end of the world, but for me.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
It is it.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
We got you're supposed to put fires out. I'm done.
Here's Albert Breer.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
The issue now is that, really, if you're the Browns,
what you're looking for Shador Sanders to do from a
work standpoint is come in and operate as if he's
the thirtieth or fortieth or fiftieth guy on the roster,
because that's exactly what he is as a fifth round pick.
He's a guy who's fighting not for their starting job,
for a job on the team period. This is a
(10:51):
guy you're looking to blend in. And so this is
one of those things where it's like, ah, that's not great. Now,
let's see how he'll react again.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Something's going to get him kicked off the team.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But it's something you pay attention to.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
By the way, Jay Mac, is it me or is
Dylan Gabriel looking a little taller this morning?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah? Certainly Dylan Gabriel very appealing.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Colin.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I need to come clean with you an admission. I
was cited out here in LA for a red light
ticket last year. I just didn't want it to come
out in the press. I wanted to make you aware
of it before you were out on me for a
red light ticket. It was pricey, but it was definitely me.
I made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, I'm a full stop guy, so I have to
deal with that.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Listen, Schador's going to bounce back from this. I have
a feeling. But I am very curious if other folks
follow you Cam Newton, who's been very defensive when anybody
says anything about Shador dah, Let's see what cam Newton
and company have to say.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You can criticize me all you want for my opinion.
I don't cling to opinions when I get new information.
I always say this, if if somebody came up to
you and let's say you, you know, you had some equities,
you had a four oh one K, you had company stock,
and you were you were fifty years old, you had kids,
(12:09):
and you had some of your net worth in company stock, right,
and somebody came up to you and said, do the
CEO and two of the vice presidents are selling their stock?
Would you be just like, Hey, my opinion is this
isn't this company?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I got new information? Why is the most important people.
Why are the most important people suddenly all simultaneously selling
company stock? Do you want to get in a plane?
And the pilot goes, listen, we got new radar, but
I'm going right into that lightning store, new information, new opinion.
(12:46):
I'm a pilot, I'm changing my route. I'm flying around
Shadoor Sanders, and I'm I'm bringing that plane down at
Dylan Gabriel International.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Oh what is the fanske talking to the media. I listen,
nobody's asking about what's the running back situation at Cleveland
or how's the wide receiver room. It's gonna be like
what's going on with Shudor Sanders and his speeding issues.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I know I'm not even gonna watch, but I can
tell you the feedback on this, no big deal what
you said about Manzielle just set about Baker and I
kept telling you in Cleveland. And for the record, there
are there is a belief that the coach in the
GM did not want to draft him anyway. Okay, they're
Dylan Gabriel fans. So you talk about on fin ice.
(13:36):
If you thought you were on thin ice right, or
you thought you had a big contract coming up, wouldn't
you just be a little more careful over those four
or five. I mean there's times in life that we're
all more careful. Right something's coming up. Oh oh you're
you know. It's like, oh, I've got a big event
coming up. I've got a corporate deal coming up. And
(13:56):
it's just like, I gotta i gotta act my age
for this. I gotta be ready for this. All of
us do that in life. We button it up for
a party or an event or where we have an
off site meeting. I'm gonna be you know. Makes Yeah,
It's just like it's not It's just not difficult. Some
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Caitlin Clark thoughts from an insider.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well. She's written seven the best selling author seven different books.
One of her sports books, Inside Edge, is considered one
of the one hundred best sports books ever written. Sixteen
of the last winter and Summer Olympics, She's been to
all of them. Award Winning national author and Christine Brennan
now is joining us. She has a new book. I
just started reading it last night on her game, Caitlin
(15:02):
Clark in The Revolution and Women's Sports, You've covered a
lot of women's basketball. That book is available in July
early July. And again, I just got a sneak peak
last night and started diving into it. So I was
pretty critical, and you have as well. With a WNBA,
I mean, when they opened up with New York and Connecticut,
I'm like, people, give this lady a break. This is rough,
(15:24):
But I will be honest, I thought she would be
a star. Can I defend the WNBA last year and say, hey,
they didn't know she was going to become Tiger Woods
with merchandise. Could I defend the WNBA? Or did they
just Christine? Did they? Did they just kind of butcher
her first year?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
You know, Colin, I think there were signs of what
was coming, and I think those signs were missed when
you look at as so many of us did, watching her,
you know, from home right and watching the junior years
start to develop. Obviously, going to the final four, take
King and Iowa team that no one predicted would go
that far. Then to the final game losing of course
(16:04):
to LSU. The logo threes, the forty one point games,
the triple doubles, just the you know, really the high
wire act.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
It's Caitlin Clark is a basketball player for sure, but
she's really an entertainer. And that was clear, I think
to many of us. And then the senior year where
you've got people lined up in eighteen nineteen twenty thousand
arenas seed arenas in you know, at Maryland and Ohio
State and in the in January, you know, for hours
(16:33):
waiting to get in to see her play. She's barnstorming
right around the country, or at least around a good
chunk of it. I think the signs were there that
this was a huge deal. And as I report in
the book and talk about this issue, and I do
have a lot on this topic in the book, you know,
I think that there was probably a thought within the WNBA,
which I've really covered from the get go, that could
(16:56):
this be possible? You know, the WNBA was basically ignorrey
the male dominated mainstream sports media for years, and you
know that's that's one of the realities of our sports world. Well,
I'm wondering if it was just something like, oh, could
this possibly carry over? Obviously it carried over, it's it's
been an extraordinary story that you've covered that I've covered,
(17:18):
so many of us have, and I think, yes, I
think you could see something was coming. And I'm not
so sure that the WNBA. In fact, I am sure
the wa NBA was not prepared for the magnitude of
the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
So Chris Brussard said something yesterday or the day before
on FS one, and Chris said, it actually was a
bit beneficial that her skirmishes were not by African American
w NBA players, because it because we got into this
whole racial stuff. And Chris said, no, she's a trash talker,
nobody likes her off the Indiana fever. And I thought
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it was an interesting whether that's right or not, I
thought it was an interesting take. Is that when there
was a lot of talk earlier about Angel Rees and
the the kind of a racial component, did you buy that?
Did you think that was a fair story.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Certainly, the issue of raise is a big deal in
this story, and I delve into that with wonderful voices
black and white, great leaders, thought leaders like doctor Harry Edwards,
of course, who was the impetus for the nineteen sixty
eight Mexico City Black Power salute other voices. Briana Scurry.
You know, I think it's very important to deal with that.
(18:27):
I think would be naive you and I talking if
we didn't realize and of course understand, as Chris would
say and did say that clearly, that there are those
issues involved. You know, the Kennedy Carter hipcheck, which I
go into in depth because that, of course is last season.
It was such a huge moment, not just with the WNBA,
frankly Colin, but in our culture, you know, but people
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are talking about it for days.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Of course that was Kennedy Carter, who is black, and
that WNBA did not the referees did not deal with
it in the moment, just like the one with Marina Maybray,
of course, who's white. So you've got two of these
kind of blindstet in fact not kind of blind siding
situations of the person who is the biggest economic driver
in the WNBA, one white, one black. But yes, you
(19:13):
cannot take race out of this conversation, nor should we
take race out of this conversation, because there's there's so
many elements of this story that do involve a seventy
four percent black league that never got these players never
got their due never. I fought for it. I've written
about it, I talked about it, and people will ignore
them for decades, and thankfully they're not ignoring them now. Obviously,
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some of what we're seeing is some stuff that we
would relate rather not see.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
You know, it's listening to you, Christine Brennan joining it
for the radio audience. The game is the book is
excuse me? On her game, Caitlin Clark and the Revolution
and went in sports. It sounds like you think the
WNBA is again making a mistake by not at least
sending a message and suspending the young lady that ran
her over yesterday? Am I right in interpreting that, Yes,
(20:06):
yes you are.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You know, we got some interesting data a couple of
weeks ago when Kaitlyn Clark was injured missed those five games,
gone about three weeks. The USA Today, my colleague Jeff
Szilgut actually reported that the TV attendance for the entire
TV audience for the entire league, not just the dent
of Fever, but the entire league TV audience dropped more
(20:27):
than fifty percent. That means that more than half of
the TV audience for the WNBA disappeared when Kaitlyn Clark
was gone.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Crazy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You know, I covered Tiger the length of his career.
We never saw those numbers with Tiger. We saw big
drops with when Tiger was gone Michael Jordan, I looked
nowhere near those kind of drops. So this athlete, Kaitlyn
Clark is so important to the financial future of the
WNBA at the time. By the way, as you know
that the CBA, the Collective Barneying Agreement is open and
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will be being negotiated, this is a key moment for
the WNBA in terms of salaries and TV and the
four times now that the TV contract is four times
more than it was before. That's a wonderful development. Caitlin
Clark is really the engine here driving all of it.
And now you have this data, and I know that
a lot of people don't like that. Fats are facts,
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numbers are numbers. That's it. And for me, the whole
reason I even looked at this story as I did,
wrote a few columns for USA Today, and then eventually
had a book deal. But even before then, I realized,
having covered sports for a long time, call it that
I never thought that I would see arena's packed to
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the rafters and TV ratings more than the man as
we know, four million more for the women's final in
the NCAA Championship in twenty four than the men the
next night. Because of Caitlin Clark, all of these things
that we would see arenas having to be games being
moved to bigger arenas. We were talking about a female athlete.
Never in my lifetime did I think I would see that,
(22:05):
And I think that's what makes this so remarkable and
so different from another, you know, phenom coming into a sport,
the magnitude of for her and what she means to
the w and the WNBA. You know, we talked about Tiger.
There was golf, you know, and Tiger did of course
lift golf, but golf had already had Arnie and Jack
and Tom Watson and so many others and even going
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away before that. The NBA obviously needed the boost of
Bird of Magic, but it it also had, you know,
of course, great names from the past, Will Chamberlain, Bill Russell,
those great teams, the Celtics and others. So what I
guess I'm saying is that the WNBA needed this more
than any other of the sports that we kind of
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try to compare Caitlin to with those great phenoms lifting
a sport. She is even more important to her sport
than those guys were to theirs.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
This is Rick Buker mentioned this yesterday. I think Stephen
Ada as well, that you know, we're playing the victim
thing with the skirmish a little hot. She is a
trash talker, she's Larry Bird. And by the way, I
don't know, I never uh am going to assume you've
ever watched anything. But my take in this whole thing
is if you respect women, then let's treat them more
like guys. Basketball. They're gonna fight, they're gonna flagrant, they're
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gonna technical, they're gonna swear, they're gonna be inappropriate. That's
how this thing works basketball. The WNBA is not a
vertical league. It has been chippy for twenty years. It
is a chippy It's a more linear, more horizon. They
don't do Jah Moran and jump over you. They elbow.
These are physical women and we're finding out they talk
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trash and my take is it is a wonderful thing.
But back to my initial point is are we making
her more of a victim that she's got a little
Larry Bird and some of this stuff. Maybe she's got
it common.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Oh, the last person who wants to be seen as
a victims Caitlin Clark A lot of time are on
the team. And by the way, I disagree with Chris
on that point about that they hate her or don't
like her. They love her. They love her, and some
of the new players they brought in wanted to come right.
They saw what was going on in Indiana. They saw
the opportunities to do the deals that you know, and
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go to the supermarket and the gas station and whatever
and meet people and get the whatever the fee is
for that, the honorarium that Caitlyn can't do all that stuff.
So there's a lot of people who like Caitlyn Clarks
a lot, but she is a trash talker. Absolutely. They
had to have the de Escalation Committee last year to
drag her away from trouble when she was close to
getting the seventh technical that would have meant she would
(24:37):
have had to sit out a game. Oh yeah, she's feisty,
she's tough, she's strong the way she revs up a
crowd and people love her for that. Colin. So I
agree with you. I think there's absolutely no reason to
coddle these athletes. I certainly when the questions I asked,
I'm not coddling them. If I'm going to ask the
men that question, I a male athlete, I will ask
a female athlete. Obviously that was something that people got
(24:58):
mad about last year. That's journalism one on one to me,
and yes, now Kaitlyn Clark absolutely can take it now.
The question is though the Chief shots the out of
the blue, you don't see them coming, cheap shot, the
freight train kind of thing of Marina Maybray, is that
smart to not have them have that punished by a
game or two suspension. I'm thinking not With what we
(25:20):
talked about before, Colin, the magnitude of Kitlyn Clark, what
she means for this league at this moment.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, I know the league send messages all the time.
I mean, the NFL will change rules in a season.
And I think I said this earlier. I didn't know
what to do with it. Obviously garnered a technical, but
you can make a compelling argument they should probably just
for messaging, they should probably sit that player down for
a game or two, just if nothing else, just tone
(25:47):
and messaging My mom would from time to time when
I was a kid, sit me down just for messaging,
and it was always very effective. So that leagues have
been doing that my entire life. Christine Brennan on her game,
Caitlin Clark and the Revolution in Women's Sports, July eighth.
It's out. I started it last night, folks. Last year
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I called her Taylor Swift in basketball shoes. This is
this is a new frontier. This is it's this stuff
is incredible. Think about this. They outdrew the Pacers, and
the Pacers are in the finals, and the Pacers are
the fastest paced NBA team, so they play an incredibly
aesthetically pleasing style of basketball and the Fever outdraw them.
(26:31):
That is in itself remarkable. Christine final thoughts on the
book and if I if I'm on the I don't
know if I want to buy tell people kind of
where you go on this. A lot of stuff I've
learned early that I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Well, that was my hope. You know, it's a journalistic
noebolds bard look at this time, it's unauthorized, and that's
a good thing. It's that means that I am not
working with Caitlin. She answered all my questions. Is amazing.
She is as good as you'd hope she would be,
looks you in the eye, answers, everything goes on for
several minutes. I write in the book Colin, she's twenty
(27:09):
two going on forty or fifty. Remarkable, especially with the
issues and the things that were thrown at her, for sure,
and she's kept it up again this year. And you know,
I break a lot of news more on the Olympic
snub that I think is the worst team selection decision
I've ever seen in covering the Olympics since the eighties. Yeah,
and a lot of thank you and yeah, I mean
(27:32):
it looks worse by the day. Obviously it's a year
old now, so we can move on, but it is.
I think people will be fascinated by that a lot
from Caitlin's friends, you know, Kate Martin got Tamika catchings
throughout the book. As I mentioned talking about the start
of the WNBA, how tough that was, how important that was.
I really tried to touch on every important issue of
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this last year and a half at this extraordinary time
in our country. And I do think people who follow
her closely will still be very surprised by some of
the things in the book and very proud of it.
And certainly again, Caitlin Clark is a worthy story at
this time. I mean truly, I think you can make
the case. Not only is she one of our most
(28:17):
famous athletes, she's one of our most famous Americans. Period.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You grandmothers and grandfathers in the produce section would never
watch that. They're looking for where ion is or whatever
on their TV set to make sure that they can
watch Caitlin Clark play. And that's a great thing for
all those other players to get that attention as well.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Christine, thank you so much. Good Scenian, you two, Colin,
thank you. That's interesting when she could remember when they
didn't put her on the Olympic team and I said, folks,
get her on the team. What are you doing? And
I got a lot of pushback. You're out of touch,
you don't understand. I said, here's what I understand. Sometimes
(28:59):
an artist gets hot. Martin, you'd know this. You put him,
You put him on the tour. Coachella's like, let's get
him in. Well, I mean they've only sold so many records. Yeah,
put him you just Coachella, get him out there in
the desert is not putting her on the Olympics. I'm
glad Twisting Brennan has that take, because hees didn't get
(29:23):
that at all. The league got a little too precious,
a little too precious. All right, j mc where did
you land on that one?
Speaker 2 (29:35):
I am like the Olympic one.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, Oh that was goofy.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I mean, you know, it goes back. Do you remember
Steph Curry when he zoomed past like Chris Paul and
Russell Westbrook and became like a major phenom in the country.
Everybody knew Steph Curry. There was jealousy and hate for
him from Chris Paul west Westbrook. They were supposed to
be the next great stars and they were anger. I
think the same thing happened with Caitlin Clark. She zoomed
pasted every in the league, right, and they were like, well,
(30:01):
we're putting a rookie on the Olympic team. Let's settle down. Yeah.
I got the Christine Brennan book, very excited.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
To read that thing.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, you know, we're all in on Kaitlin Clark, Colin,
She's a big story, like huge. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
That Olympic thing was really polarizing and again, and I
remember at the time saying, sometimes just don't outthink they're
room an. Artists gets hot and athletes get just make
make accept people go. Well, we don't want to create
a precedence. Kaitlin Clark is the Precedent's there are no more.
There's never been another Tiger Woods. Rory McElroy's got talent,
(30:39):
but he doesn't have Tiger's will and force. There are
no other Like like, we may never see another Mahomes.
Josh Allen's great, so is Lamar Mahomes got Andy Reid.
We may never see this again. Yeah, okay, so like
a lot of the greatest of all time. We'll never
see a basketball player like Lebron no way not was
(31:00):
it eight straight finals or Wayne Gretzky eight straight MVPs.
That's never happening again. Well, we're never gonna see that again.
Yeah all right. Herd Line News around the Corner Back.
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Speaker 1 (31:41):
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Speaker 2 (31:50):
All right, uh Colins O your Rams. Remember Jared Versus
What a season he had. Boy, he was phenomenal. The
sacks weren't there, but the pressures were fourth most of
any defensive player last year.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Well.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Recently retired offensive tackle Tront Armstead gave an interview and
said he's glad he doesn't have to face Jared Verse anymore.
He was a rookie.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
From the Rams, that young boy, Jered Verse. Yeah, I'm cool,
I'm good. I never got to see that man again.
I'm alright with I'm okay with that never seeing that
young man again in my life. Bull rush different. Oh
it's different. You know that it is coming. You brace yourself.
(32:35):
He's different, Jerry Versus different. He would be a defensive
Player of the Year one of these days.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Mark my word. Wow, I think there's an argument that
at some point here this year he will be the
second best pass rusher to Miles Garrett in the league.
That's how good he is.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Put your money where your mouth is and bet him
Defensive Player of the Year. Take a flyer on that one.
Huh better than DJ Watt.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I just hope Rock pretty remains upright. This kid is
this kid is he is different? Well versus he's.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Gonna have to get around Trent Williams. First of all,
Trent decent, decent tackle.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Let me tell you this. I remember reading the draft
preview on him, and you know, he nitpicked these young
athletes and they were saying, like Jared Verse, he's only
got one move, He's just strictly a bull rusher. And
then these three hundred and thirty pounds oh tackles are like, yeah,
it's different. Yeah, he may only have one move, but
you can't block that move like it he bulldozes. Think
(33:38):
about how hard it is to move an athletics six
foot six and a half three hundred and thirty five
pounds die. He knocks them backwards and he is what
is he weigh to sixty five two safe me? So
he is sixty pounds less. He knocks these and they
know he's coming. It's not blindsiding. Look at this, Look
at these double teams. He just he just man. And
(33:58):
this is the Eagles O line. He just manhandles Pro
Bowl tackles, manhandles them.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, I never played football, but that's kind of
how I think I would look if I played defensive end.
I mean versus every what an animal. Let's move to
the Denver Broncos. Colin boy, their defense was excellent last
year and they got to the playoffs. Bo Nixon, Sean Payton, Well,
Sean Payton, talking to the media, expects the team to
have a real good defense, adding there are a lot
(34:26):
of ways to help a young quarterback, any quarterback, and
a good defense helps. Now a lot of people would say, oh,
just give him the weapons, but the defense means, hey man,
you just have to not make mistakes and we good.
You don't need to throw the ball thirty times. We
don't need weapons because our defense is going to keep
us in gains. And I think that's the idea in
dead Well.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
That's been one of the problems with Detroit is that
Goff in his first couple of years got into shootouts.
And Jared Goff's not a guy, you know, because he
doesn't have a lot of us capability. If you keep
asking your offensive line the pass flock for forty four throws,
it's a problem.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
So I think my take has always been, even with
Patrick Mahomes, I want him throwing twenty eight times a game.
I do not want my offensive line back. Offensive lineman
love run blocking. None of them like pass blocking. Right,
Like you make one mistake pass blocking, you're on the highlights.
So I mean, just for all things considered, even Mahomes
(35:23):
and Josh Allen, you get to about twenty eight, go
look at Dak's numbers when they ask him to throw
over like thirty three throws. He has a losing record.
There is when you start asking quarterbacks an old lineman,
that's a high risk, multiple blitzes, balls in the air.
Just it doesn't long term, it's not a way to
win games consistently.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
And final story connas back to the Lakers in their
new ownership. Well, Mark Walter, the big billionaire, you know,
he had a stake in the Dodgers and it kind
of went well well. After the news broke of Walter
buying the Lakers, a reporter asked Dodgers manager Dave Roberts
about some photo shops going around of show, hey, o'tani
(36:06):
in a Lakers uniform.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
What's your message to their fans being hands off.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think right. Yes, that's my message,
hands off of show. Hey, yeah, they they got they got,
they got enough superstars. We're in the purple ankle. Yeah,
leave him alone.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
It will be interesting though, if you look at the
way they have run the Dodgers. They will pay, but
they'll move off stars in their twenties, Bellinger Seeger, Max
Scherzer was older. I think he was in his thirties. Uh.
Manny Machado had a good year with the Dodgers, and
they knew he was going to the Podrais. They knew
(36:46):
the Podreys were in it, and they're like, go ahead,
and uh. If I recall I could be wrong on
the Zach Grinkey was another one A picture. I think.
I think Mark Walters group owned the Dodgers at that point.
I could be wrong, but he a lot of people
thought they should have paid him. They let him go
to Arizona.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
If I recall, so pretty crazy stack. In the last
twelve years since Walters took over in twenty twelve, the
Dodgers have been how do we say this is decent?
I mean, look at their MLB rank and wins first
divisional titles, first and Al Pennance tied for first World
Series types. That's just since this guy took over. Now,
obviously baseball note salary cap. You could just spend as
(37:23):
much as you want. But the thing is he's got
the infrastructure with the Dodgers where they've got everything laid down.
I mean it is perfect, Their scouting systems impeccable. You
start adding that to the Lakers. I think Luca at
least wins one title with the Lakers, maybe two or three.
They're going to get that roster stacked, I would say, with.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Him in all three years. The key to it is
there are general managers in this league and every sport.
There are general managers. Howie Roseman NFL Beach is very
respected in Kansas City. There are general managers as these
salary caps. Like the NBA was the last well, I
(38:04):
just say, the NBA until about a year ago, two
years ago, I mean we saw Golden State do it.
You could stack your roster, you could just have you're
paying Draymond step Clay Katie, you could pay everybody who cares.
Boston was the last roster like that, and now they're
moving off. They're going to move off multiple big contracts.
The reality is general managers are really important in the NFL,
(38:30):
and that's going to become the key watch. My first
take is now Rob Polenka signed a new deal with
Genie Buss. I don't know, but and they do like him,
and he deserves some credit. Austin Reeves is undrafted. I'm
you know, but if you go look at the way
the Dodgers did it, they got their scouting department up
and cooking. I would not be surprised if they didn't
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add extensively to the Lakers scouting department overseas, just just
add bodies to it.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, I mean if you go look at the Philadelphia
Eagle scouting department and the Cincinnati Bengals, why are the
Eagles draft better than the Bengals. It's not just Howie Rose,
but he's not in his Volkswagon van driving around the
country scouting Division FCS football. He's got a massive staff
and he coordinates it well.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
JJ Reddick when he came into the Lakers, was like, Oh,
I'm big on analytics. Where's our analytics department? They were like, yeah,
go into that office, cubby hole, and he's like, what
the hell is this?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So he's already started to build out the analytics crew
with the Lakers. Listen, they're going to be going to
the moon by lakerstock right now, Folks.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Jmack with the news, Well that's the news.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
And thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
We were talking about this a couple of days ago,
were saying this, jmac is like, tonight's fascinating. I am
actually strangely equally interested in the Indiana Pacers and OKC
as I am Caitlin Clark facing one of the league's
(40:02):
most physical basketball teams. And I can't explain it. Like
sometimes some we're all distracted our iPhones. I mean, I
don't know how many hours a day you're on your phone.
I try to stay under hour and a half, but
I read a lot on the phone. But the truth
is we're just a very distracted nation and so and
this has really hurt baseball, basketball, hockey regular season ratings.
(40:25):
That's why it's kind of a yeah, because like we'll
watch events, NBA Finals playoffs, a Saturday night NBA game,
college football, we watch events, I mean, because the we're
Olympic events, Olympic ratings up, World Cup up, you know,
UFC pay per view everything. The events have never been
more popular and profitable, but getting people to watch Monday
(40:46):
through Thursday or Monday through Friday regular season games is
a real struggle. That's why Baseball in the last couple
of years has seen that. And Fox deserves a lot
of credit. Our Fox management has gone to Baseball for
four or five years and said, guys, you have to
create events. Mets Philly's over in London, the game in Iowa.
You know the Fox management. I think I can say
(41:07):
that now. I hope I don't called into the principal's office.
But Fox went to baseball and said, you don't have
enough events. The home run Derby's are highest rated non
World Series game. Do more stuff like that, and it mattered.
And so Baseball has been doing that and changing rules
and there's an immediate payoff at tenants again is up.
(41:28):
Ratings are again up, so Baseball, and it's harder for
baseball because you have one hundred and sixty two games.
You have so much inventory. There's no scarcity in baseball
until the postseason. So you can see Baseball is the
greatest example. If you make stuff feel more urgent, you
shorten the games. So every inning feels bigger and if
(41:48):
you create events. American people have always loved baseball. It
just got long. And we're on our iPhone, so I
don't know what it is. I can't explain it. But
Caitlin Clark games. I literally check, Oh, what what channel
are they on? And what time are they on?
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, tonight, Caitlin Clark's probably TV two for Amazon Prime
TV one. USA Saudi Arabia call. I'm just gonna remind you.
At the last World Cup, Argentina lost its opener with
Messi to Saudi Arabia. So this team is no joke,
no pushover. I am seeing a little bit of US
game day money coming in and they're up to minus
one eighty five on the money line to win tonight.
(42:25):
USA Saudi Arabia is a big game.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
You called game one. You said it was gonna be
four or five nothing.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
I kind of want to be a little nerdy and
go one to one tonight, but I will go to
one USA over Saudi Arabia this.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Pochatino to get blasted here. You lose O two and
the sky is officially fallwing. I'm serious.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I mean, listen, in the big picture, it doesn't matter
that much a loss for our show tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
You're probably gonna lead with it if they lose.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Ye Oh, USA Soccer is on f S one.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, that's the course it is.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
We have the tournament massive okay FS one tonight TV
number one USA Soccer
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