June 2, 2025 • 31 mins
Fox Sports analyst Geoff Schwartz stops by The Herd to talk about possible NFL moves, the Lions losing their Pro Bowl center to retirement, the Browns QB situation, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, let's welcome into the show. Jeff Schwartz, former NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Player, former Morgan Duck.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He's uh, looks like he's about to hit the golf
course after we talk.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Jeff, how's life down there in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's good, it's getting warm. I wish I was on
the golf course jmact, but not today. I'm playing Wednesday.
You know, I play ten times a year. It's all
like a big deal for me. I know people love it,
but like I just, you know, get outside for a
couple hours every day every week, well once a week.
Well you know it's good for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, I'm more of a top golf guy than I
am a golf course guy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't have four hours.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What can I say, Jeff? A lot of news happening
in the NFL. I want to start with the big One.
Over the weekend, Deon Sanders did a podcast where he
kind of did what we expected him to do.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chime in on shoudor here's the video. We'll play real quick.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Deon Sanders talking about his shun slide in the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
When you sit up there and say something like he
went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Shador Sanders,
who's had six different coordinators, stop lying, like you gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
My kids are built for everything. They want to.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Create these narratives and create these stories and then attach
them to a kid that ain't never done and wrong.
You're gonna tell me he had on headphones, Chadors. Anybody
know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like he's
gonna go in to meet with headphones on.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Like, Yo, it did hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Now, you don't want to go over the top, Jeff,
But I know you have kids. I got kids and
we talk all the time. Hey, you can only take
them so far. You teach them the.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Ways and then they're on their own. Chador's twenty three.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, I think saying this stuff is exactly what Kevin
Stefanski and coaches around the league didn't want.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
They didn't need this noise.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now Stefanski's going to go to OTA's this week, the
first question is going to be, hey, Dion said this,
and it's just like a headache, we don't need. Am
I overreacting or do you kind of say the same thing?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I don't think you're overreacting, But I understand defending your son.
I think this is one of the only times he's
done this right publicly since I know there's been quotes
maybe attributed to him. But so I get defending your son.
The question whether is is whether this is going to continue, right, like,
we'll continue in to the season where every time someone
plays poorly, let's say Flacco is playing poorly, that we
get a comment from Dion about his son possibly playing
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I think and just in the one instance, it is
okay to defend him, especially if you feel like you've
been wronged. But now moving forward, yes, you're right you
should let should stand on his own and not really
involve yourself in what's happening with him on a daily basis. Now,
this is what people are worried about. I think so right.
I think this is part of the whole package of
why sad you're thinking I don't think NFL teams are
(03:02):
making this up either. Maybe we're being loose with the
term meeting, like if if immediate the combine in a
general setting, not with a personalized meeting. Players might have
headphones on as they go to the meeting room, they
probably take them off, But it sort of depends, I think,
on what you think of meeting is. But I don't
think the teams are lying about this. So doing this
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all plays a role in why he didn't drafted as
high as he did. So I look, aga, I understand
Dion defending his son totally gues especially Philter is wrong.
But now I think you said your piece. It's over
with now he's with the Browns, he's in OTAs. Let
him do his own thing now, and you worry about
coaching Colorado.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I compared it to Arch Manning at Texas.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He couldn't win the starting job over Quinn Yours, even
though a lot of people wanted him, a lot of
Texas fans, and then Quinn Ewers stinks against Georgia and stuff.
We didn't hear the Manning family come out and say, hey,
you gotta bench yours. My son's got to get We
didn't hear any of that, And I just wonder do
you think, like, is there a way someone can tell Dianne.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm asking you nicely, please just don't say anything. Just
say you're rooting for the Browns and your son and
that's and and knit it there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I mean, can you tell him? Sure? I don't know
if he's going to do that, right, And this is
who Dion has been right as he just shares what
he feels. We see it on social media, We see
it on any of the different platforms where were Colorado's featured.
He is and I think that's a characteristic that people
like about Dean doesn't shy away from talking about things
and sharing his feelings. But in this, in this instance,
you're right. Like I think again, I think now is
(04:32):
the time you've said it. You disagree with how your
your son was covered, you disagree with how he was drafted.
You've done your piece. Now you've said it, you got
off your chest, and now I think it's a separation.
And look, I do think the term distracts me. Talk
a lot about in sports. This is one of them.
You mentioned the exact thing right where the next time
the Fantasy's interviewed he's gonna have to talk about what
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a father it was, a famous father of one of
his four quarterbacks said about how the sun was handled
during the draft process. So you don't want those questions
to come up, even though they obviously are gonna come up.
But I think if Jack after this week, this is it, right,
this is it. This is the last week hear about
about Dion and shadured really Dean talking about Shader unless
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it's a positive thing, obviously, I think the problems are
gonna be okay with it. If it sort of ends
this week.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That would be great. I'm dubious that it ends this week.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Let's go to another one. Big news that just happened.
You're in the last two hours. Frank reg Now the
All Pro center from the Detroit Lions up and retired
at twenty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now listen, this is not.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Gonna be big headline news everywhere, but as a former
offensive line and you know, this is massive.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
This is huge.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We've been saying for the last two years the Lions
have the best offensive line in the.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
League, and now you lose your center.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He grated out as the second best center recording a
Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
This is a massive deal for the Lions.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, it's a big loss when you look at sort
of like the splits when he's on and off the field,
because he has had injuries over his career. The Lions,
no surprise, so much better when he's on the field.
You've got position at center position. You often see the
j MAC where you get a center and he's just
your guy forever. Like they're so hard to find of
(06:11):
this Cab Jase Kelse Hobson for so many years, Creed
Humphrey's going nowhere. When you look at all the centers
who eventually make it to the NFL Hall of Fame,
it's like they played their career for fifteen seventeen years
on one team, and the connection that you have with
your quarterback, with your offensive line is hugely important. Now
the Lions now, whether or not they knew this is
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going to be the case, I'm sure they had an inkling.
They drafted centers and guards like in the draft, and
Glass now is still there to move over. But this
is how quickly things change. Right where you have a
solid offensive line for a couple of years and all
of a sudden you don't have the same solid offensive line.
It's change there with the offensive coordinator. So I would
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imagine the Lions had an idea of what was going
to happen. But if you put if you put Ralegion
there art at center from Georgia and you have you
have a young left guard, you have a young center.
If someone beat out Glass, now you have a young
right guard. That it's a league right. Things change out,
but it's a loss for them. You don't find centers
(07:14):
growing on trades man. It's why there's a limited few
that are elite, and they typically stay with their team forever.
So I wish them the best. I will say this
as far as retiring early or we consider early, I
like his mindset. I think it's what athletes should do it.
I didn't do this. I didn't retire when I should have.
I try to stick on a little bit longer. So
I really do appreciate the players who just know when
it's time, and you Resistagram posts that look back my
(07:36):
body is it's giving me all I can all i
can take. I've used the best into my ability. Is
time to retire. I appreciate having that clarity in someone's career.
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, that I would largely agree with that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But when you combine it with the no off new
offensive coordinator, I mean, this could be a tough one
for Jared Goff. I will say they did draft a
guy out of Georgia, Tate rat Ledge, Jeff, I look
this up, a three year starter at right guard, never
took one snap at center. However, he has been taking
center snaps here with the Lions so far, so I
(08:19):
guess the transition could be possible.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
But a rookie starting center, Oh.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Man, Yeah, it's not. It's probably not great because he
didn't play center in college. You know, he did project
out out to play like that. That is you know,
one of his you know when when you look at
it at drafts. So it's certainly you know it can
come together quickly, I think, But yeah, it's a question
mark now where you do I think you do sort
(08:47):
of worry about how quickly this can start you fast
for the lines this season.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And and you know some people will be like, guys,
you're overrating a center.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Jeff, and I do gambling stuff all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
This is significant now, Jeff, I'm on record saying I
think the Lions pull back significantly. I don't do a
ton of over under betting just because I don't want
to tie all my money that long. But I'm looking
at the Lions pulling back, like maybe missing the playoffs
a lot of outdoor games. Look at their first seven games, bro,
that is brutal with a rookie center, here's a world
where I mean, you go to Baltimore, you're gonna be
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dogs in that one. That Cincinnati defense is a joke,
but you got to face Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Then you got the Chiefs. I don't like this Lion's.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Outlook this year, just the lack of continuity at center,
offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Your thoughts on the Lions.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, you have to think to get some positive aggression
with injuries on defense, right, so the defense should be
better than it was last year just because of that alone.
But you're right, the new coinators do worry. I mean
because it takes time with a new coinner, whether or
not that person that's been in the building, it takes
half a season to feel really comfortable with everything that
you're calling, right, you have to see everything happen in
(09:55):
a game to know how you're going to react to it.
As a coach, have the players when you react, and
as players, what what you're good in bad. I remember
once he Kansas City in the first year, and you
read was there halfway new season our bible was like
week nine. Our offensive line coaches looked. He gave us
a sheet of paper with all our run plays that
were good and bad. He's like, we're gonna throw out
the bad ones. We're gonna run the good ones, and
one of the bad ones was his favorite play, but
(10:17):
we're not good at we're throwing it out. So like
that happens with a new coordinator, right, and so the
lines are trying to win now, but it might take
a couple of months to feel comfortable offensive. I think
we saw this perfectly capsulating the Philly last season with
the defense, where early on there were questions about, you know,
is is this gonna work with fan jo that all
of a sudden they figured out. But halfway through the season.
So I think early in the year you saw their
(10:38):
schedule a lot of tough games with a new center,
maybe a new right guard, a new coordinator. So I
think it's okay to be skeptical when it comes to lines,
especially if the Packers take a step up a little bit,
the Bear take a step up into division. The Vikings,
I'm still sort of questioning, you know about about McCarthy.
So I think seeing a little bit of trepidation with
a line of success this year is perfectly normal.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Interesting will file away Vikings. I'm extremely bullish on them,
but we'll do that later. Let's go to Kansas City Chiefs.
Jeff I am kind of public enemy number one with
the Chiefs fans.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Listen. I just want to point this out.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When Brady got his third ring, it took him a
decade to get another one.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Now, they did go to two Super Bowls, they lost
both to the Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid. But you have to
admit that this left tackle situation, getting a swing tackle
who was a backup in San fran that's like their
solution and left tackle we know Travis Kelcey kind of
looked his age there in the final two games of
the season in the playoffs and then the Super Bowl,
and then I got questions about the defense, which just
(11:41):
got torched by the Eagles. But I'll defer to you.
You know the team very well. Your brother obviously spent
a lot of time there. Your thoughts on the Chiefs. Remember,
nothing lasts forever in the league. It's impossible to stay
on top for the longest time. Your thoughts on the
Chiefs heading in the next season.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
You wouldn't no playoffs though, right, if I'm correct, you
said no playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think the division got a lot better the schedule,
which we can go over here shortly.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It's hard, yeah, and so are you Chargers on top
of the division.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do believe the Chargers win the division. I would
not rule out the Broncos. They sneaky.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Broncos got a top five roster in the league. Their
defense could be you know Adam Turnoff. We talk a
lot of Adham on the show. Yeah, he's like, Broncos
defense is gonna be elite, like number one in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well they are.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
They drafting their cornerback and they drafted I mean, look,
the Chargers have been the AFC West champions in the
preseason for like seven years in a round. It's surprised me.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Year again.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Are better. Look, here's the thing about the Chiefs I
would have agreed with you if Kelsey had retired. I
was very gonna be on record. I was hinting this
through the end of last season super Bowl Week. I
thought Kelsey was going to retire. I thought all those
signs were there for retiring. Maybe if they had one,
he would have retired. I think that's probably pretty likely.
The way they lost, I think was it was just
(12:55):
a bitter taste in his mouth. He didn't play well
in the game. I think with Kelsey back, it is
still in the mode of let's win a championship. And
I think after the season, if it doesn't go well,
which might I win a championship, I'm not up here
to tell you that they're going to do that, then
they pull back, right Kelsey retires, Probably we work Chris Jones' deals.
He gets older and you are to usher in some
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younger players on defense, and I think that's shartly happening
after the season. But think about now again, they're going
to go for it. Rashie Weiss is healthy. Is Avi
Worthy into year two? Hollywood Brown into year two with
the Chiefs. Remember they started last year with Rashi Rice
had thirty catches. I think in three games got hurt.
They did have Hollywood brown Worthy was a rookie. Like
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they're entering the season at least skill position wise, in
a lot better place. The offensive line certainly concerned. As
you mentioned Josh Shimmans, it appears might play sooner than later,
which will help the Chiefs, the rookie from Ohio State.
And defensively, I think that's a good unit, probably not great,
but they can get better at pass rush. But they
keep doing what they keep doing because they have a
system in place, they have the homes and they win
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the close games. I get it. If you look at
the close game result, you say to yourself, well, that
evens out a year after year. It certainly does. But
the Chiefs close games JMAC feel a little different than
other teams where they just kind of, for lack of
a term, bs their way sometimes like they're up to
fourteen points in the fourth into me the third quarter
and it's a tie game of three minutes left, like
it's a close game. I get it's a close win,
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but a lot of teams just win that game by
two touchdowns. The Chiefs just haven't. I don't know how
much to put into the fact they play these close
games because they do it differently. I was at the game,
it's the Panthers. It's like twenty to six for the
tire first half. They get up a touchdown, no touchdown.
It's like, oh, the game's tied. But you never felt
the Chiefs are going to lose that game. So I
even still going for it this year. That's why I'm
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still high on them. I think next year is the
year where your take might be the one I have
in the offseason as well.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Interesting, I guess the only other point is regarding the Chiefs,
trying to go to four straight Super Bowls is tough.
I believe only one team has been to four straight
Super Bowls, and that would be the Buffalo Bills, who
I think lost all of them in the the body's,
the Atricia and the injuries.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Oh I agree with you. I mean I will probably
pick the Bills to win the AFC, but again, like
they have to do it, Jay Mac, they can't beat
the Chiefs. They had a division game at home, they
had the thirteen second of the game last season, Like
they're so close to doing it. They be the team
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I pick with Josh Allen with their roster, with how
they can play. I mean they're close, it just feels
difficult picking them because they haven't done it yet.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
All right, final question, Jeff, So we know the top
four quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Everybody largely agrees on this.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I have been saying since the Super Bowl, you got
to put Jalen Hurts at five. I think he's in
that upper crust with Burrow, Lamar, Josh and Mahomes. Some pushback, Aha,
he's got a stack deck. The dude's been to two
Super Bowls in the last few years. He played Mahome
toe to toe and just one MVP. Jalen Hurts is
carrying this team. Do you have Hurts as your five
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or is someone else at cracking that top five?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Okay? I had this discussion day on what podcast I did,
So if you were to pick the fifth quarterback that it's
probably NFC quarterback where you take in Jayden Daniels or
Jalen Hurts, right, because if you look at at body
of work, I think Jalen Hurts certainly deserves that right.
But there are times largely when he can just be
a backseat quarterback. Right. They run the football really well.
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You know, he doesn't have to pass the ball. Terribly much,
and we've seen in actually up until that Super Bowl,
a lot of the playoff wins were not stat padding games.
Some Hurts Now, the super Bowl was incredible, so you
have to sort of take any consideration where he played
really well. And by the way, he played really well
in the Super Bowl that they lost too, So he's
played well in both those games. And you look at
Jane Daniels what he did as a rookie season, I
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would give Hurts probably the slight edge that do you
think body of work matters? And I think playing in
those big moments, the way he plays matters, and he
runs the offense as prescribed, But I don't think have
to do as much as Jane Daniels does. Jane Daiels's
natural arm, talent and his blaita runs probably a little
bit better than Hurts. But if Daniels does it a
second year in a row, I think I would be
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comfortable putting him at five. I really do. I think
his his ability and his talent can transcend that organization
we saw we did in year one. He's got to
see it in year two because we often see that
that sophomore slump. It happens with Stroud last season. But
I think Daniels can end this season like he did
last season. I think he probably passes Hurts. But for
right now, I think that's there's no problem putting Hurts five.
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To me, you have to taking consideration the actual results,
right like people put talent, arm town, all those things
ahead of results when it matters. Most Hurts wins a
lot of games, which isn't a stat, right, but he
plays well in those big moments, which which is important
to me when when you write these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
All right, Jeff Schwartz, Fox NFL Analysts, he's got a podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I mean, he's everywhere. He's great at gambling. Jeff and
Jordan North Carolina, man, have a great summer.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Take care all right, Jeff Schwartz, good stuff, all right?
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All right, let's go to Alice with the moon.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
No no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Turn on the noos. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
All right, J Mack, you tease this before the break,
but look at this Ray shortstop Taylor Walls disagrees with
the strike ball. Now it looks low in a way,
but he has a conversation with the homeplate umpire.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
They clearly disagree.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Then Wall step back into the batter's box and Peyko's attention.
Walls taps the helmet a few times as he steps
back in, and the umpire adjects him because the thought
is this is similar to the move that signifies a
challenge in the minor leagues, and the ump took it
as disrespect. After the game, Wall said he was not
trying to show up the ump but was ejected anyway.
(20:15):
A couple thoughts here say to leave their egos out
the door. It's it's not about you. But honestly, I
love this passion. I love when players get heated in
baseball and you kind of get we don't see a
lot of brawls, but we see the benches clear, we
see the bullpens clear. That was he shouldn't have gotten
ejected for that.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
We know again because he does he does.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
He doesn't tap tap tamel. It's that so tap tap
tap in the minors that signifies challenge.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was intentional by him.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Well, I mean, you can't challenge. You can't challenge balls
and strikes in the major league, so it doesn't matter,
and he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Like it's just hard because if you.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Argue balls and strikes you can very easily be ejected.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I don't think this.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I mean, obviously he's superheated after and as a one
run run ball game in the ninth Like, yeah, so
it was a big moment.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
In the game.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Let me ask you, but when you're in an argument
with someone, yeah, in real irl or online nicely, if
you fly off the handle, yeah, usually you're in the
wrong and overcompensating because you know you're wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Not intentionally, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
Yeah, but this was after Like I think that he
got an intentional tap. It could have been, but like
it doesn't matter and it can't mean anything. He can't
do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
He was doing it as a as a bleep beautity official,
right because he rubs the.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Helmet then does the tap.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, while looking at him now he's I read his
quotes because.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
This is fascinating. Yeah, I read the quotes. I don't
have a problem with really demeanor.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
I don't have a problem with it. He didn't say
anything you didn't like pop off at him.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
He didn't say anything out like after.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
This is after he got ejected. This is after. I'm
saying before to get injected, that was aggressive, that that
run back had had.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Some fire, and look at that.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yes, well that's firing. But I love that. But you
see that with managers and players in baseball, like that's
part of the game, is getting in their face and
and getting heated.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm on a men's league team with Matt Liner, and
I had a guy who got very angry with me.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh and he got irrational and one of these moves
and someone hold the bag.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I held him back, and I was standing there, like
the best thing you can do is smile and admits.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
He was in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I think this guy admits a man I saw
him for my love. He's probably gonnaet suspended.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
For this, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's irrational behavior.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
No one hit, there was no contact.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
You can get ejected. You can get ejected. I don't
I don't know. I don't think it's that big of
a deal. I love seeing the passion.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Get my only baseball story from Dodgers Yankees so danger
citing Adam Sandler was writing, rest of my kid is,
Oh my god, Sandler the at a Dodgers Yankees game.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
He's the bat.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I almost asked him to play pick up hoops with me,
but that's.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Too much best like he's I've met him at a
couple events. He's like one of those guys that's like
as rad as you would dream he would be in
real life.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't know, I dream big fan.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Well you both well no, no, no, no, you both like
celebrities that you like they're as cool in real life.
That's what I meant. I'm like, I hope he's as
school like Will Ferrell, as cool in real life, like
the coolest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
What about the general sisters?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
When I meet you, I don't know, I haven't met them.
You are fascinated. He is he is the hottest game
in Hollywood. Okay, let's switch to the NFL. The Bengals
UH defense couldn't stop a nosebleed last year, but Joe
Burrow isn't letting that be an excuse for the team struggles.
Despite being a fringe MVP candidate, Burrow said he's the
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reason Cincinnati missed the postseason.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
I played even better than we wouldn't have been in
that spot that we were in. So I'm just focused
on trying to get better myself, and you know, I
know everybody in lockery it feels the same way. If
I go out there and play better than I did
last year, then it doesn't matter what goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
That's some amazing accountability. But he wasn't the issue pro had.
He had an MVP caliber season. He was in the conversation.
He had the stats. The issue is the start of
the season. They are one and eleven in weeks one
and two. In Burrow's career, that can't happen. You can't
start the season that bad. But their defense, like, so, yeah,
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that's what let them down. Last year.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He led the league in completion.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Yes, interesting, but you gotta like hats off to that accountability.
He's the leader of the team.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He was saying, I'll take the full out.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
It's my physic.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Is it being accountable because he wasn't the problem.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
He wasn't the problem asking other people's problem. No, he's
not calling he's not calling teammates out, he's not calling
the defense out. He's saying, Okay, I'm the leader of
this team. I can be better.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't, Alex, I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
He's not the problem.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
He's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
At some point, don't leaders have to call out other people?
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Not publicly, but he can like behind the scenes when
he's talking to him. Yeah, So that's why I don't
have a problem with this. Again, it's great accountability. We
don't normally see that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We have a Bengals fan on staff.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I wonder if he wish Burrow would call out that
defense or.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Mag made it obvious. Everybody knows. You saw he was
putting up the numbers and the defense couldn't call him off.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Is being political?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You have behind the scenes do it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think at some point there's a breaking for where
you're just like, listen, I've had enough of this, well,
if it.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Happens again, if they lose, what if they lose first
two games again, my season playoff?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's better freaking roll.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
They need to they need to. All right, let's wrap
things up with Lion center Frank Ragnow has announced his
retirement from the NFL. Rag Noow was a four time
pro bowler in seven NFL seasons. After he was a
first round pick out of Arkansas. He played sixteen games
and was a second team All Pro selection last season. Now,
I've reached out to a couple of my Lions people
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just to kind of get their insight on this. First
being our NFL on Fox writer and my co host
on Fox Sports Saturday, Cartmen Vitally, who covered NFC North
and now does like all the NFL, but she said
she was a little surprised because he's played through so
many injuries and he's only missed four games in the
last three seasons, and he is literally the backbone of
this team, so there is a little bit of a
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concern for a regression now. And then I also reached
out to Cynthia Freeland, NFL Networks analytics expert, to ask her, like,
what are the numbers now, because they were top ranked
offensive line, top ranked scoring offense. Like, how much does
this actually affect their numbers now? And she said it's
not great. She still thinks they're going to be a
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top ten offensive line, but not one, two, three or four.
But it's it's not great all around. When you have
a new offensive coordinator, you have the toughest schedule in
the league, and you lose a Hall of Fame center. Yeah,
so I mean it's it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's a big one. Golf cannot be thrilled.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And again, no, they didn't know this before the draft,
which would have helped. You know, this guy they drafted out,
I called it up the stats, the kid from Georgia, Yeah,
has never played center in his career. At Georgia, you
played into your line, and so it's like that transition.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, it could work, but it's they were.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Might of known because I guess he kind of hinted
at it at the Pro Bowl, like hinted that retirement
be a thing. But you don't know until like you, like,
he probably tried to ramp up. He's been dealing and
playing through a lot of injuries and then your body
just like you can't do it. You take such a beating.
You touch every single ball and every single play on
offense at center. So it's like but.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like the Chiefs didn't go and I think draft a
tight end high or anything.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Because they maybe got word from Kelsey. I'm getting back.
I'm close to the end, but I'm coming back.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
All this guy had to do to be a guys
eighty twenty I ain't come.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
But he also could have thought he was coming back
and then his body just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Again, I'm not blaming Rag now. Yeah, this is a
catastrophic loss.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
This is a huge loss. This will significantly affect the
Lions now.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, and I know people will listening to this are like,
come on, it's a center.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
You are a strong tackle, the most important.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes it is, you know, Alex a.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Big Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by
the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Earlier today, we had Frank I solo on and I
asked him do the Knicks need to go after Giannis?
Because you know Jay Max out here patients. Here's what
Frank had to say about the Knicks chasing Giannis.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Well, I can trust Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively,
even defensively. I really do think it's about a two
to three year window with a lot of these guys,
and when you haven't won a championship seventy three, and
I think with Kevin Durant out there, and I think
Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated. When a guy like of
that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season,
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he's going to be hungry to get back there. And
I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude.
I think he would like the serious of the NIXT program.
You know, Tom Thibodeau, Jalen Brunson. I think he fit
in perfectly. Is it a gamble one hundred percent because
of his age and the injury factors, but it's something
that I certainly would consider.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, that was actually a KD swap for Cat that
I floated. Frank likes the honest idea, but it seems
mission impossible KD is attainable. And then the question comes,
what's your window adding a guy who turns thirty seven
in September, who has a rich injury history since the
Achilles tear in Toronto in the NBA Finals, do you
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make a move for Kevin Durant. I'm kind of saying
no right now now. If the price is right, you know,
I don't have to give a Karl Anthony Towns and
whatever else. But again, I don't even know that the
Suns would want Karl Anthony Towns. It's weird. We're in
a strange phase in the NBA right now where you
don't want to be in the middle. You want to
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bought him out. And when you bought him out, get
your star out and go after an SGA Halliburton, those
two guys were acquired by the Pacers and Thunder when
they were making big moves that we've got to change
it up. Just getting like a bunch of lottery picks
ain't gonna do it. You know, you need a young star.
And that's why the team that I think, and we're
(30:34):
seeing the Toronto Raptors being floated for y honest, I
keep coming back to the team that's gonna get him
Jannis is probably the Houston Rockets because they have one
of the best young players in the league in Aman Thompson.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Now will they part with him, that's another story.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But it's gonna be an interesting offseason and I will
add for as much as there's Jannie kd some Jaron
Jackson chatter, maybe they'll get back to Zion chatter once
his legal stuff get through. It definitely feels like this
is gonna be a very heavy movement summer in the NBA. Now,
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I don't know if that's going to result in what
we saw with Kawhi going to the Clippers and Kadi
and Kyrie to the Nets. It's probably not gonna get
that crazy, but I certainly think we're going to see
a lot of moves here this summer, so a lot
to talk about coming up this summer.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Monday is in the books.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We will be back here tomorrow, Alex and I see
that
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, let's welcome into the show. Jeff Schwartz, former NFL.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Player, former Morgan Duck.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
He's uh, looks like he's about to hit the golf
course after we talk.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Jeff, how's life down there in North Carolina.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's good, it's getting warm. I wish I was on
the golf course jmact, but not today. I'm playing Wednesday.
You know, I play ten times a year. It's all
like a big deal for me. I know people love it,
but like I just, you know, get outside for a
couple hours every day every week, well once a week.
Well you know it's good for me. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, I'm more of a top golf guy than I
am a golf course guy.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I don't have four hours.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
What can I say, Jeff? A lot of news happening
in the NFL. I want to start with the big One.
Over the weekend, Deon Sanders did a podcast where he
kind of did what we expected him to do.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Chime in on shoudor here's the video. We'll play real quick.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Deon Sanders talking about his shun slide in the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
When you sit up there and say something like he
went in a meeting, I'm prepared, like dude, Shador Sanders,
who's had six different coordinators, stop lying, like you gotta understand.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
My kids are built for everything. They want to.
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Create these narratives and create these stories and then attach
them to a kid that ain't never done and wrong.
You're gonna tell me he had on headphones, Chadors. Anybody
know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like he's
gonna go in to meet with headphones on.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Like, Yo, it did hurt.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Now, you don't want to go over the top, Jeff,
But I know you have kids. I got kids and
we talk all the time. Hey, you can only take
them so far. You teach them the.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Ways and then they're on their own. Chador's twenty three.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, I think saying this stuff is exactly what Kevin
Stefanski and coaches around the league didn't want.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
They didn't need this noise.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Now Stefanski's going to go to OTA's this week, the
first question is going to be, hey, Dion said this,
and it's just like a headache, we don't need. Am
I overreacting or do you kind of say the same thing?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I don't think you're overreacting, But I understand defending your son.
I think this is one of the only times he's
done this right publicly since I know there's been quotes
maybe attributed to him. But so I get defending your son.
The question whether is is whether this is going to continue, right, like,
we'll continue in to the season where every time someone
plays poorly, let's say Flacco is playing poorly, that we
get a comment from Dion about his son possibly playing
(02:40):
I think and just in the one instance, it is
okay to defend him, especially if you feel like you've
been wronged. But now moving forward, yes, you're right you
should let should stand on his own and not really
involve yourself in what's happening with him on a daily basis. Now,
this is what people are worried about. I think so right.
I think this is part of the whole package of
why sad you're thinking I don't think NFL teams are
(03:02):
making this up either. Maybe we're being loose with the
term meeting, like if if immediate the combine in a
general setting, not with a personalized meeting. Players might have
headphones on as they go to the meeting room, they
probably take them off, But it sort of depends, I think,
on what you think of meeting is. But I don't
think the teams are lying about this. So doing this
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all plays a role in why he didn't drafted as
high as he did. So I look, aga, I understand
Dion defending his son totally gues especially Philter is wrong.
But now I think you said your piece. It's over
with now he's with the Browns, he's in OTAs. Let
him do his own thing now, and you worry about
coaching Colorado.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I compared it to Arch Manning at Texas.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
He couldn't win the starting job over Quinn Yours, even
though a lot of people wanted him, a lot of
Texas fans, and then Quinn Ewers stinks against Georgia and stuff.
We didn't hear the Manning family come out and say, hey,
you gotta bench yours. My son's got to get We
didn't hear any of that, And I just wonder do
you think, like, is there a way someone can tell Dianne.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'm asking you nicely, please just don't say anything. Just
say you're rooting for the Browns and your son and
that's and and knit it there.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
I mean, can you tell him? Sure? I don't know
if he's going to do that, right, And this is
who Dion has been right as he just shares what
he feels. We see it on social media, We see
it on any of the different platforms where were Colorado's featured.
He is and I think that's a characteristic that people
like about Dean doesn't shy away from talking about things
and sharing his feelings. But in this, in this instance,
you're right. Like I think again, I think now is
(04:32):
the time you've said it. You disagree with how your
your son was covered, you disagree with how he was drafted.
You've done your piece. Now you've said it, you got
off your chest, and now I think it's a separation.
And look, I do think the term distracts me. Talk
a lot about in sports. This is one of them.
You mentioned the exact thing right where the next time
the Fantasy's interviewed he's gonna have to talk about what
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a father it was, a famous father of one of
his four quarterbacks said about how the sun was handled
during the draft process. So you don't want those questions
to come up, even though they obviously are gonna come up.
But I think if Jack after this week, this is it, right,
this is it. This is the last week hear about
about Dion and shadured really Dean talking about Shader unless
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it's a positive thing, obviously, I think the problems are
gonna be okay with it. If it sort of ends
this week.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That would be great. I'm dubious that it ends this week.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Let's go to another one. Big news that just happened.
You're in the last two hours. Frank reg Now the
All Pro center from the Detroit Lions up and retired
at twenty nine years old.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Now listen, this is not.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Gonna be big headline news everywhere, but as a former
offensive line and you know, this is massive.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
This is huge.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We've been saying for the last two years the Lions
have the best offensive line in the.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
League, and now you lose your center.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
He grated out as the second best center recording a
Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
This is a massive deal for the Lions.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
No, it's a big loss when you look at sort
of like the splits when he's on and off the field,
because he has had injuries over his career. The Lions,
no surprise, so much better when he's on the field.
You've got position at center position. You often see the
j MAC where you get a center and he's just
your guy forever. Like they're so hard to find of
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this Cab Jase Kelse Hobson for so many years, Creed
Humphrey's going nowhere. When you look at all the centers
who eventually make it to the NFL Hall of Fame,
it's like they played their career for fifteen seventeen years
on one team, and the connection that you have with
your quarterback, with your offensive line is hugely important. Now
the Lions now, whether or not they knew this is
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going to be the case, I'm sure they had an inkling.
They drafted centers and guards like in the draft, and
Glass now is still there to move over. But this
is how quickly things change. Right where you have a
solid offensive line for a couple of years and all
of a sudden you don't have the same solid offensive line.
It's change there with the offensive coordinator. So I would
(06:52):
imagine the Lions had an idea of what was going
to happen. But if you put if you put Ralegion
there art at center from Georgia and you have you
have a young left guard, you have a young center.
If someone beat out Glass, now you have a young
right guard. That it's a league right. Things change out,
but it's a loss for them. You don't find centers
(07:14):
growing on trades man. It's why there's a limited few
that are elite, and they typically stay with their team forever.
So I wish them the best. I will say this
as far as retiring early or we consider early, I
like his mindset. I think it's what athletes should do it.
I didn't do this. I didn't retire when I should have.
I try to stick on a little bit longer. So
I really do appreciate the players who just know when
it's time, and you Resistagram posts that look back my
(07:36):
body is it's giving me all I can all i
can take. I've used the best into my ability. Is
time to retire. I appreciate having that clarity in someone's career.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
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Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, that I would largely agree with that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
But when you combine it with the no off new
offensive coordinator, I mean, this could be a tough one
for Jared Goff. I will say they did draft a
guy out of Georgia, Tate rat Ledge, Jeff, I look
this up, a three year starter at right guard, never
took one snap at center. However, he has been taking
center snaps here with the Lions so far, so I
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guess the transition could be possible.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
But a rookie starting center, Oh.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Man, Yeah, it's not. It's probably not great because he
didn't play center in college. You know, he did project
out out to play like that. That is you know,
one of his you know when when you look at
it at drafts. So it's certainly you know it can
come together quickly, I think, But yeah, it's a question
mark now where you do I think you do sort
(08:47):
of worry about how quickly this can start you fast
for the lines this season.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And and you know some people will be like, guys,
you're overrating a center.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Jeff, and I do gambling stuff all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
This is significant now, Jeff, I'm on record saying I
think the Lions pull back significantly. I don't do a
ton of over under betting just because I don't want
to tie all my money that long. But I'm looking
at the Lions pulling back, like maybe missing the playoffs
a lot of outdoor games. Look at their first seven games, bro,
that is brutal with a rookie center, here's a world
where I mean, you go to Baltimore, you're gonna be
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dogs in that one. That Cincinnati defense is a joke,
but you got to face Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Then you got the Chiefs. I don't like this Lion's.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Outlook this year, just the lack of continuity at center,
offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Your thoughts on the Lions.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Well, you have to think to get some positive aggression
with injuries on defense, right, so the defense should be
better than it was last year just because of that alone.
But you're right, the new coinators do worry. I mean
because it takes time with a new coinner, whether or
not that person that's been in the building, it takes
half a season to feel really comfortable with everything that
you're calling, right, you have to see everything happen in
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a game to know how you're going to react to it.
As a coach, have the players when you react, and
as players, what what you're good in bad. I remember
once he Kansas City in the first year, and you
read was there halfway new season our bible was like
week nine. Our offensive line coaches looked. He gave us
a sheet of paper with all our run plays that
were good and bad. He's like, we're gonna throw out
the bad ones. We're gonna run the good ones, and
one of the bad ones was his favorite play, but
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we're not good at we're throwing it out. So like
that happens with a new coordinator, right, and so the
lines are trying to win now, but it might take
a couple of months to feel comfortable offensive. I think
we saw this perfectly capsulating the Philly last season with
the defense, where early on there were questions about, you know,
is is this gonna work with fan jo that all
of a sudden they figured out. But halfway through the season.
So I think early in the year you saw their
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schedule a lot of tough games with a new center,
maybe a new right guard, a new coordinator. So I
think it's okay to be skeptical when it comes to lines,
especially if the Packers take a step up a little bit,
the Bear take a step up into division. The Vikings,
I'm still sort of questioning, you know about about McCarthy.
So I think seeing a little bit of trepidation with
a line of success this year is perfectly normal.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Interesting will file away Vikings. I'm extremely bullish on them,
but we'll do that later. Let's go to Kansas City Chiefs.
Jeff I am kind of public enemy number one with
the Chiefs fans.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Listen. I just want to point this out.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When Brady got his third ring, it took him a
decade to get another one.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Now, they did go to two Super Bowls, they lost
both to the Giants.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And Patrick Mahomes has Andy Reid. But you have to
admit that this left tackle situation, getting a swing tackle
who was a backup in San fran that's like their
solution and left tackle we know Travis Kelcey kind of
looked his age there in the final two games of
the season in the playoffs and then the Super Bowl,
and then I got questions about the defense, which just
(11:41):
got torched by the Eagles. But I'll defer to you.
You know the team very well. Your brother obviously spent
a lot of time there. Your thoughts on the Chiefs. Remember,
nothing lasts forever in the league. It's impossible to stay
on top for the longest time. Your thoughts on the
Chiefs heading in the next season.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
You wouldn't no playoffs though, right, if I'm correct, you
said no playoffs.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think the division got a lot better the schedule,
which we can go over here shortly.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It's hard, yeah, and so are you Chargers on top
of the division.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I do believe the Chargers win the division. I would
not rule out the Broncos. They sneaky.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Broncos got a top five roster in the league. Their
defense could be you know Adam Turnoff. We talk a
lot of Adham on the show. Yeah, he's like, Broncos
defense is gonna be elite, like number one in the league.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well they are.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
They drafting their cornerback and they drafted I mean, look,
the Chargers have been the AFC West champions in the
preseason for like seven years in a round. It's surprised me.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
Year again.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Are better. Look, here's the thing about the Chiefs I
would have agreed with you if Kelsey had retired. I
was very gonna be on record. I was hinting this
through the end of last season super Bowl Week. I
thought Kelsey was going to retire. I thought all those
signs were there for retiring. Maybe if they had one,
he would have retired. I think that's probably pretty likely.
The way they lost, I think was it was just
(12:55):
a bitter taste in his mouth. He didn't play well
in the game. I think with Kelsey back, it is
still in the mode of let's win a championship. And
I think after the season, if it doesn't go well,
which might I win a championship, I'm not up here
to tell you that they're going to do that, then
they pull back, right Kelsey retires, Probably we work Chris Jones' deals.
He gets older and you are to usher in some
(13:17):
younger players on defense, and I think that's shartly happening
after the season. But think about now again, they're going
to go for it. Rashie Weiss is healthy. Is Avi
Worthy into year two? Hollywood Brown into year two with
the Chiefs. Remember they started last year with Rashi Rice
had thirty catches. I think in three games got hurt.
They did have Hollywood brown Worthy was a rookie. Like
(13:37):
they're entering the season at least skill position wise, in
a lot better place. The offensive line certainly concerned. As
you mentioned Josh Shimmans, it appears might play sooner than later,
which will help the Chiefs, the rookie from Ohio State.
And defensively, I think that's a good unit, probably not great,
but they can get better at pass rush. But they
keep doing what they keep doing because they have a
system in place, they have the homes and they win
(13:59):
the close games. I get it. If you look at
the close game result, you say to yourself, well, that
evens out a year after year. It certainly does. But
the Chiefs close games JMAC feel a little different than
other teams where they just kind of, for lack of
a term, bs their way sometimes like they're up to
fourteen points in the fourth into me the third quarter
and it's a tie game of three minutes left, like
it's a close game. I get it's a close win,
(14:20):
but a lot of teams just win that game by
two touchdowns. The Chiefs just haven't. I don't know how
much to put into the fact they play these close
games because they do it differently. I was at the game,
it's the Panthers. It's like twenty to six for the
tire first half. They get up a touchdown, no touchdown.
It's like, oh, the game's tied. But you never felt
the Chiefs are going to lose that game. So I
even still going for it this year. That's why I'm
(14:41):
still high on them. I think next year is the
year where your take might be the one I have
in the offseason as well.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Interesting, I guess the only other point is regarding the Chiefs,
trying to go to four straight Super Bowls is tough.
I believe only one team has been to four straight
Super Bowls, and that would be the Buffalo Bills, who
I think lost all of them in the the body's,
the Atricia and the injuries.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Oh I agree with you. I mean I will probably
pick the Bills to win the AFC, but again, like
they have to do it, Jay Mac, they can't beat
the Chiefs. They had a division game at home, they
had the thirteen second of the game last season, Like
they're so close to doing it. They be the team
(15:24):
I pick with Josh Allen with their roster, with how
they can play. I mean they're close, it just feels
difficult picking them because they haven't done it yet.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
All right, final question, Jeff, So we know the top
four quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Everybody largely agrees on this.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I have been saying since the Super Bowl, you got
to put Jalen Hurts at five. I think he's in
that upper crust with Burrow, Lamar, Josh and Mahomes. Some pushback, Aha,
he's got a stack deck. The dude's been to two
Super Bowls in the last few years. He played Mahome
toe to toe and just one MVP. Jalen Hurts is
carrying this team. Do you have Hurts as your five
(16:01):
or is someone else at cracking that top five?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Okay? I had this discussion day on what podcast I did,
So if you were to pick the fifth quarterback that it's
probably NFC quarterback where you take in Jayden Daniels or
Jalen Hurts, right, because if you look at at body
of work, I think Jalen Hurts certainly deserves that right.
But there are times largely when he can just be
a backseat quarterback. Right. They run the football really well.
(16:26):
You know, he doesn't have to pass the ball. Terribly much,
and we've seen in actually up until that Super Bowl,
a lot of the playoff wins were not stat padding games.
Some Hurts Now, the super Bowl was incredible, so you
have to sort of take any consideration where he played
really well. And by the way, he played really well
in the Super Bowl that they lost too, So he's
played well in both those games. And you look at
Jane Daniels what he did as a rookie season, I
(16:47):
would give Hurts probably the slight edge that do you
think body of work matters? And I think playing in
those big moments, the way he plays matters, and he
runs the offense as prescribed, But I don't think have
to do as much as Jane Daniels does. Jane Daiels's
natural arm, talent and his blaita runs probably a little
bit better than Hurts. But if Daniels does it a
second year in a row, I think I would be
(17:08):
comfortable putting him at five. I really do. I think
his his ability and his talent can transcend that organization
we saw we did in year one. He's got to
see it in year two because we often see that
that sophomore slump. It happens with Stroud last season. But
I think Daniels can end this season like he did
last season. I think he probably passes Hurts. But for
right now, I think that's there's no problem putting Hurts five.
(17:29):
To me, you have to taking consideration the actual results,
right like people put talent, arm town, all those things
ahead of results when it matters. Most Hurts wins a
lot of games, which isn't a stat, right, but he
plays well in those big moments, which which is important
to me when when you write these quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
All right, Jeff Schwartz, Fox NFL Analysts, he's got a podcast.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I mean, he's everywhere. He's great at gambling. Jeff and
Jordan North Carolina, man, have a great summer.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Take care all right, Jeff Schwartz, good stuff, all right?
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Coming up next, wait until you see the craz easiest
moment of the weekend in Major League Baseball did not
involve Yankees or Dodgers, but it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Nonetheless, Alex will have that for you.
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Speaker 2 (19:25):
All right, let's go to Alice with the moon.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
No no, no.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Turn on the noos. This is the herd line news.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
All right, J Mack, you tease this before the break,
but look at this Ray shortstop Taylor Walls disagrees with
the strike ball. Now it looks low in a way,
but he has a conversation with the homeplate umpire.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
They clearly disagree.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Then Wall step back into the batter's box and Peyko's attention.
Walls taps the helmet a few times as he steps
back in, and the umpire adjects him because the thought
is this is similar to the move that signifies a
challenge in the minor leagues, and the ump took it
as disrespect. After the game, Wall said he was not
trying to show up the ump but was ejected anyway.
(20:15):
A couple thoughts here say to leave their egos out
the door. It's it's not about you. But honestly, I
love this passion. I love when players get heated in
baseball and you kind of get we don't see a
lot of brawls, but we see the benches clear, we
see the bullpens clear. That was he shouldn't have gotten
ejected for that.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
We know again because he does he does.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
He doesn't tap tap tamel. It's that so tap tap
tap in the minors that signifies challenge.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was intentional by him.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
Well, I mean, you can't challenge. You can't challenge balls
and strikes in the major league, so it doesn't matter,
and he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Like it's just hard because if you.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Argue balls and strikes you can very easily be ejected.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I don't think this.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
I mean, obviously he's superheated after and as a one
run run ball game in the ninth Like, yeah, so
it was a big moment.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
In the game.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Let me ask you, but when you're in an argument
with someone, yeah, in real irl or online nicely, if
you fly off the handle, yeah, usually you're in the
wrong and overcompensating because you know you're wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Not intentionally, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 7 (21:29):
Yeah, but this was after Like I think that he
got an intentional tap. It could have been, but like
it doesn't matter and it can't mean anything. He can't
do anything.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
He was doing it as a as a bleep beautity official,
right because he rubs the.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Helmet then does the tap.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, while looking at him now he's I read his
quotes because.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
This is fascinating. Yeah, I read the quotes. I don't
have a problem with really demeanor.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
I don't have a problem with it. He didn't say
anything you didn't like pop off at him.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
He didn't say anything out like after.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
This is after he got ejected. This is after. I'm
saying before to get injected, that was aggressive, that that
run back had had.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Some fire, and look at that.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yes, well that's firing. But I love that. But you
see that with managers and players in baseball, like that's
part of the game, is getting in their face and
and getting heated.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I'm on a men's league team with Matt Liner, and
I had a guy who got very angry with me.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Oh and he got irrational and one of these moves
and someone hold the bag.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
I held him back, and I was standing there, like
the best thing you can do is smile and admits.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
He was in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, I think this guy admits a man I saw
him for my love. He's probably gonnaet suspended.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
For this, right, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
That's irrational behavior.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
No one hit, there was no contact.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
You can get ejected. You can get ejected. I don't
I don't know. I don't think it's that big of
a deal. I love seeing the passion.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Get my only baseball story from Dodgers Yankees so danger
citing Adam Sandler was writing, rest of my kid is,
Oh my god, Sandler the at a Dodgers Yankees game.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
He's the bat.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I almost asked him to play pick up hoops with me,
but that's.
Speaker 7 (23:14):
Too much best like he's I've met him at a
couple events. He's like one of those guys that's like
as rad as you would dream he would be in
real life.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah, I don't know, I dream big fan.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Well you both well no, no, no, no, you both like
celebrities that you like they're as cool in real life.
That's what I meant. I'm like, I hope he's as
school like Will Ferrell, as cool in real life, like
the coolest.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
What about the general sisters?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
When I meet you, I don't know, I haven't met them.
You are fascinated. He is he is the hottest game
in Hollywood. Okay, let's switch to the NFL. The Bengals
UH defense couldn't stop a nosebleed last year, but Joe
Burrow isn't letting that be an excuse for the team struggles.
Despite being a fringe MVP candidate, Burrow said he's the
(23:58):
reason Cincinnati missed the postseason.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Take a listen.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
I played even better than we wouldn't have been in
that spot that we were in. So I'm just focused
on trying to get better myself, and you know, I
know everybody in lockery it feels the same way. If
I go out there and play better than I did
last year, then it doesn't matter what goes on everywhere else.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
That's some amazing accountability. But he wasn't the issue pro had.
He had an MVP caliber season. He was in the conversation.
He had the stats. The issue is the start of
the season. They are one and eleven in weeks one
and two. In Burrow's career, that can't happen. You can't
start the season that bad. But their defense, like, so, yeah,
(24:44):
that's what let them down. Last year.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
He led the league in completion.
Speaker 7 (24:50):
Yes, interesting, but you gotta like hats off to that accountability.
He's the leader of the team.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He was saying, I'll take the full out.
Speaker 7 (24:57):
It's my physic.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Is it being accountable because he wasn't the problem.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
He wasn't the problem asking other people's problem. No, he's
not calling he's not calling teammates out, he's not calling
the defense out. He's saying, Okay, I'm the leader of
this team. I can be better.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I don't, Alex, I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I agree with that.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
He's not the problem.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
He's not the problem.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
At some point, don't leaders have to call out other people?
Speaker 7 (25:20):
Not publicly, but he can like behind the scenes when
he's talking to him. Yeah, So that's why I don't
have a problem with this. Again, it's great accountability. We
don't normally see that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
We have a Bengals fan on staff.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I wonder if he wish Burrow would call out that
defense or.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Mag made it obvious. Everybody knows. You saw he was
putting up the numbers and the defense couldn't call him off.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Is being political?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
You have behind the scenes do it.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I think at some point there's a breaking for where
you're just like, listen, I've had enough of this, well,
if it.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Happens again, if they lose, what if they lose first
two games again, my season playoff?
Speaker 2 (25:50):
That's better freaking roll.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
They need to they need to. All right, let's wrap
things up with Lion center Frank Ragnow has announced his
retirement from the NFL. Rag Noow was a four time
pro bowler in seven NFL seasons. After he was a
first round pick out of Arkansas. He played sixteen games
and was a second team All Pro selection last season. Now,
I've reached out to a couple of my Lions people
(26:15):
just to kind of get their insight on this. First
being our NFL on Fox writer and my co host
on Fox Sports Saturday, Cartmen Vitally, who covered NFC North
and now does like all the NFL, but she said
she was a little surprised because he's played through so
many injuries and he's only missed four games in the
last three seasons, and he is literally the backbone of
this team, so there is a little bit of a
(26:37):
concern for a regression now. And then I also reached
out to Cynthia Freeland, NFL Networks analytics expert, to ask her, like,
what are the numbers now, because they were top ranked
offensive line, top ranked scoring offense. Like, how much does
this actually affect their numbers now? And she said it's
not great. She still thinks they're going to be a
(26:58):
top ten offensive line, but not one, two, three or four.
But it's it's not great all around. When you have
a new offensive coordinator, you have the toughest schedule in
the league, and you lose a Hall of Fame center. Yeah,
so I mean it's it's a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's a big one. Golf cannot be thrilled.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And again, no, they didn't know this before the draft,
which would have helped. You know, this guy they drafted out,
I called it up the stats, the kid from Georgia, Yeah,
has never played center in his career. At Georgia, you
played into your line, and so it's like that transition.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Okay, it could work, but it's they were.
Speaker 7 (27:34):
Might of known because I guess he kind of hinted
at it at the Pro Bowl, like hinted that retirement
be a thing. But you don't know until like you, like,
he probably tried to ramp up. He's been dealing and
playing through a lot of injuries and then your body
just like you can't do it. You take such a beating.
You touch every single ball and every single play on
offense at center. So it's like but.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like the Chiefs didn't go and I think draft a
tight end high or anything.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Because they maybe got word from Kelsey. I'm getting back.
I'm close to the end, but I'm coming back.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
All this guy had to do to be a guys
eighty twenty I ain't come.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
But he also could have thought he was coming back
and then his body just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Again, I'm not blaming Rag now. Yeah, this is a
catastrophic loss.
Speaker 7 (28:18):
This is a huge loss. This will significantly affect the
Lions now.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, and I know people will listening to this are like,
come on, it's a center.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
You are a strong tackle, the most important.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes it is, you know, Alex a.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Big Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by
the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Earlier today, we had Frank I solo on and I
asked him do the Knicks need to go after Giannis?
Because you know Jay Max out here patients. Here's what
Frank had to say about the Knicks chasing Giannis.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Well, I can trust Durant in the playoffs, especially offensively,
even defensively. I really do think it's about a two
to three year window with a lot of these guys,
and when you haven't won a championship seventy three, and
I think with Kevin Durant out there, and I think
Kevin Durant will be rejuvenated. When a guy like of
that status hasn't appeared in a postseason game this season,
(29:13):
he's going to be hungry to get back there. And
I think Kevin Durant would come in with the right attitude.
I think he would like the serious of the NIXT program.
You know, Tom Thibodeau, Jalen Brunson. I think he fit
in perfectly. Is it a gamble one hundred percent because
of his age and the injury factors, but it's something
that I certainly would consider.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, that was actually a KD swap for Cat that
I floated. Frank likes the honest idea, but it seems
mission impossible KD is attainable. And then the question comes,
what's your window adding a guy who turns thirty seven
in September, who has a rich injury history since the
Achilles tear in Toronto in the NBA Finals, do you
(29:51):
make a move for Kevin Durant. I'm kind of saying
no right now now. If the price is right, you know,
I don't have to give a Karl Anthony Towns and
whatever else. But again, I don't even know that the
Suns would want Karl Anthony Towns. It's weird. We're in
a strange phase in the NBA right now where you
don't want to be in the middle. You want to
(30:13):
bought him out. And when you bought him out, get
your star out and go after an SGA Halliburton, those
two guys were acquired by the Pacers and Thunder when
they were making big moves that we've got to change
it up. Just getting like a bunch of lottery picks
ain't gonna do it. You know, you need a young star.
And that's why the team that I think, and we're
(30:34):
seeing the Toronto Raptors being floated for y honest, I
keep coming back to the team that's gonna get him
Jannis is probably the Houston Rockets because they have one
of the best young players in the league in Aman Thompson.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Now will they part with him, that's another story.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But it's gonna be an interesting offseason and I will
add for as much as there's Jannie kd some Jaron
Jackson chatter, maybe they'll get back to Zion chatter once
his legal stuff get through. It definitely feels like this
is gonna be a very heavy movement summer in the NBA. Now,
(31:09):
I don't know if that's going to result in what
we saw with Kawhi going to the Clippers and Kadi
and Kyrie to the Nets. It's probably not gonna get
that crazy, but I certainly think we're going to see
a lot of moves here this summer, so a lot
to talk about coming up this summer.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Monday is in the books.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We will be back here tomorrow, Alex and I see
that
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