March 5, 2025 • 30 mins
Thoughts on how NIL has affected the NFL Draft, the Raiders new deal with Maxx Crosby. Pete Carroll, Shedeur Sanders and more
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We Steve Kahim, former decade long GM of the Arizona Cardinals.
Now he is the GM of Clutch Football, Rich Paul's company,
and he's having the time of his life. So we
were talking during the break that I don't think fans
realize this. You do analytics and auditing of your own
drafts over a decade. Yes, if you looked at the
analytics of the entire NFL, on average, how many draft
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picks become starters and stick?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, And I know, Colin, the big thing about it
is is we set a really low bar when we
ran those analytical numbers, and you know, really to start
over ten year period, when you looked at the first
three rounds, fifty one percent were guys that hit. And
I'm talking about guys who were just solid starting players
in the National Football.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
League quarterbacks first round. What's the number forty nine percent?
So this is an interesting one. I look at a
player like Kyle McCord's second round who could fall to
a better team, and I think he could be as
good as shaduor Sanders. To you, when you look at
Jalen Milroe, cam Ward, Shador Sanders is one clearly better.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I mean, obviously I'm a little bit biased towards Jalen
Milroe because we represented him that I spend a lot of
time with him. His upside and his talent is absolutely
off the charts. I mean, I haven't seen many guys
that can throw the football like him, that have that
kind of speed and explosiveness for a quarterback. At two
hundred and twenty five pounds, he's probably a sub four
to four guy.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And I think he's going to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Be a better athlete than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes, Yes, in my opinion, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And he's a tremendous runner with the football in his hands,
and he's got the size and explosiveness.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's rare and off the charts.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think he's going to be a guy under the
right tutelage and the right coaching I think he is
going to develop and do a great pro.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, cam Ward, is he the safest quarterback pick?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think he's got the most talent in terms of
football acumen, a skill set. He's got a really live arm,
quick release. I thought the tape was really good watching
him at Miami this year.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You worry about the backyard football thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's a tendency that he can do that, you know,
getting a lot of these quarterbacks that are runners of
the football, they can get into bad habits because they've
escaped the pressure all their lives, so creates some bad tendencies.
But he's a guy that I think is going to
turn into a really good pro as well.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, you know you went up, you went and acquired
James Connor from Pittsburgh. Ye. It was a great pick
up for Arizona. And it was during a time where
everybody was saying, you know, running backs are overrated yep,
and you're out there like now, I'm going to go
with it. I've always believed that a perimeter players can
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be a bit overrated wide receivers. I think we just
got out of a wide receiver bubble housing bubble. What
do you make of a Saquon Barkley move? And why
did you make a James Connor move? Your thought? You're
a former offensive lineman. How do you view running backs?
This is a good running back draft. How do you
view them?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Again, now we go back to analytics, and analytics has
told you over time that generally the best backs have
been drafted in rounds three through five. Okay, now that's
just an analytical study. But that being said, I mean,
if you've got a special back like Saquon Barkley, you
take him as a top ten pick because they are
Bell Cow, Adrian Peterson, guys who are different. And I
think the fact that they paid him, I think is
another good move by Howie Roseman.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They paid the bell Cow.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
They set the market now at what twenty million dollars
for running backs, and you know, again, they rewarded one
of their own, and I think that's that's tremendous.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We've talked about the Philadelphia Eagles. They're going to have
to move off certain players. Yep, so they're going to
move off Sweat, probably Dvine, is it Milton Williams.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, we've Mill Williams as a client and he is
a tremendous, tremendous talent. I think he's gonna get going
to do real well in the market.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, the question is you don't want to pay linebackers
a lot. What is Howie do with that Bond?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, you know, I think he's a guy that's also
a difference maker. And you know, obviously sometimes it depends
when if the guy is a guy that calls the defense,
if he sets the front end warner.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, guys like that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And you know, I think with Bond, especially with that
talented defensive front up there, he may be the guy
that sets that front and keeps them aligned. So that
could be an important part of the process as well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So you're a former offensive lineman. I have made this.
I've been on this for seven years. There is something
about offensive coaches being able to reboot and restructure an
O line. Andy McVeigh, Ben Johnson here has went out
and got two guards defensive coaches, and I don't know
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what it is. Yep, there is some sensibility about offensive
head coaches and the ability to either spot to develop
O lines. So the Bears go out and they paid
two guards. Do you like that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I love it? I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Because I mean, think about it, your future is that quarterback,
and everything is coming about a gap pressure, and now
all of a sudden you protect that quarterback inside out,
and now all of a sudden you got an opportunity
to see what Kleb Williams can really do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Is it a good offensive line draft?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know, I think it's solid. I mean there's some
good players in the draft. I think, you know, maybe
more starters than Pro Bowl players, but I think, you know,
in the first two rounds there's going to be a
number of players that end up being solid starters in
the league.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I want to go back to quarterbacks in college Shadure Sanders.
If I had to draft a quarterback, what concerned you
about Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, I think holding the ball a little too
long at times. You know, I think he's got the
right skill set. I do think he's a smart football player.
When you watch him in the pocket, he's got a
really good pocket presence. So I do like a lot
of things about Shador and I think he's going to
be a fine player to the next level. Now, is
your first year starter, I don't know about that. But
at the same time, I think he's got a lot
of things going for him in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Does it help that dad was a pro? Or does
it not matter?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think one hundred percent. I mean, he grew up
with football.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
He understands what it takes to be a pre Say
what you want about Dion Sanders, but he's got to
figure it out. I mean he does, He's got to
figure it out. He knows what it takes. I think
the kid is a tremendous worker. I think he works
at it, and I think that's half the battle. When
you got that skill set.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Arm strength is average. Does that matter a lot to you?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, Because, I mean, what's the first thing you asked
your quarterback to do? Thro catchable ball. It doesn't matter
what your arm strength is if you can't throw it
in the right direction.
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Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So much of free agency. You've dabbled in some free agency.
It can be a little bit of a sucker's paradise.
Would you lookay?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Dk metcalf is now twenty seven years old. Story Today
John Snyder, who by the way does not miss on
wide receiver talent is going to move off him. Tyler
Lockett as well, you're a GM, you need a wide receiver.
You're Jim Harball, twenty seven years old, pretty darn expensive,
one year left, probably wanting to negotiate a new deal.
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What do you do with DK Metcalfs.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's the thing. I mean, he wants a new deal.
I'm sure, I'm sure this is what it's all about.
He's got what thirty one million dollars one year left,
no guarantee.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I would you know? You look at you said it best.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Jos John Schneider and Jason lad are probably the two
best in the league in terms of acquiring wide receiver talent.
Those guys have been off the charts and really don't miss. So,
you know, I mean I think that that John. The
cards are in John's hand. I mean, I think he
can play it. However, he wants your quarterback's thirty five
years old, so that's concern. But at the same time,
you know, you got to decide yourself, do you have
a youth movement?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Are you rebuilding? Where are you at?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They have a really good young nucleus up there, and
if the guy is getting loud and he's being a
you know, sort of locker room lawyer.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Then I would probably move on.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
What would you? J Mack and I talked about this.
I think with his contract he's worth J Max says
a third. I say a second. What would you give
up for him if you needed to receive.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You know, twenty seven years old?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I'd probably, I probably said, But now that being said,
you're going to have to give a second and you
know sign him as well. So you're gonna want to
do a sign in trade to make sure that you
have him in a place where you avoid sort of
the Hassan Redick issue with the Jets when they traded
for him.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So you represent clutch football represents Jalen Milroll, great parents,
great kid.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I was defending Shador Sanders yesterday. I said, grew
up rich due to the nil is now rich and
a lot of a lot of there were stories that
leaked out he's brash and arrogant, And I said, you know,
the New York Giants may be an impediment to being successful.
They may be a roadblock. I can I understand the
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culture's changed. A star quarterback out of college he's not desperate. Yeah,
what's the line on you, Steve interviewing a college quarterback
in the NIL world? What is confidence? What is arrogance?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, you know, it's funny because it went from the
first question you used to ask him was how was
he going to deal with money? Well, now half these
quarterbacks have more money than half the starters in the NFL.
Schador Sanders certainly does so. I mean, obviously he understands
what it takes to balance the checkbook. He understands all
the sort of the things that come with playing that position.
So I think with the NFL NIO War world, there
has been some good things that have come with it
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in terms of teaching guys how to be a pro.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Earlier, Yeah, did you ever have I mean, Kyler Murray
was a different personality. Yeah, Dad was involved. Was there
a moment's pause that you did You guys had that
discussion about you know, he's a little quirky personality.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Was that No, because I knew at the end of
the day he would make us a much better football team.
I think it's kind of like this draft here, you know,
just does tam Ward at the first pick make you
a better team? Initially, or does Abdul Carter. We had
Joey or Nick Bosa on the board, so is Kyler
Murray or Nick Bosa. Now you can argue obviously that
Nick Bosa was a better player, tremendous subside. But but
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but Kyler Murray, that decision was going to propel us
in the winning direction quicker because of the position of.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Need, Sam Darnold does he have one?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, yes, I mean again supplying demand at that position,
there's probably what seven, eight, ten guys you can win
with and then the rest are playing musical chairs. Sam
Darnold is a good player. He put good tape out
there this year.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You didn't love him out of college.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I saw him eating some crow with this on you
you know. But yeah, no, But but I'll tell you what.
Jordan Palmer has also taken his game to another level.
Jordan has done a great job with him. You know,
he works with him as well as Josh Allen and
some of those guys. So Jordan Palmer is like the
quarterback whisper. He does a great thing with those guys
and down in Orange County. But but yes, Sam is
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going to have a market you know. To me, this
franchise tag is at forty. You're probably negotiating somewhere off
that number. So you're going, you know, if it's a
long time term deal, maybe you get him in the
mid forty range, maybe somewhere where.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Party he's going to come in.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, Aaron Rodgers, would you sign him for it? He
doesn't want to play forever. Got a house in Malibu,
Las Vegas. Pete Carroll's going to run the show, Chip
Kelly strong oc you're the Raiders. Two years? Aaron Rodgers
interest him?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah? Two years? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean again, you know, do I put Aaron Rodgers
up from a skill set standpoint compared to the other
thirty two quarterbacks. He's certainly in the first half now.
I know again he's going through some injuries and had
some bad luck at the Jets. But the guy can
still play and if he put in the right situation.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I think at some.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Success does a personality matter to you?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think it just depends on what your culture is.
You know, who's your head coach, how's your building run?
I think those things are playing to it for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, Pete's going to run the show. Yes, very strong willed,
strong personality. Yes, Okay, so let's get down. So he
loves brock Perty. I mean, he'd pay him like he's
a Swiss bank. I'm like his career numbers against playoff
teams aren't great. I think he's maybe the thirteenth to
fifteenth most talented quarterback in the league. That's about forty
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five large. That's what Lynch offered. I'm his agent, you're
the GM of of San Francisco. What would you be
comfortable going to?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
You said, John went to forty five.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
At this point, I'd say there, Yeah, I would say
there again. Now, this is one of those situations where
it comes down to the player's got to be smart
enough to understand that he fits in that system. Ideally, Okay,
he has great talent around him. Kyle knows how to
run the football extremely well. So those things set him
up to be a successful quarterback. Don't be dumb and
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chase the money somewhere else. When you can get a
great deal and play for your home team.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Do you tell the agent that, yes, you do with emphasis.
So you've had high volume conversations with agents.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yes, and you're just hey, don't be dumb.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Don't be dumb. And by the way, people confuse contextualization
with hate. Yeah, how do you preface it? Like, let's
say you're driving to work and you know you've got
to talk to brock Perty's agent. Yeah, and you got
to get kind of caffeinated, because again, have you gone
into calls knowing it's gonna be Is it an hour conversation?
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Is it fifteen? How do you prepare for that conversation?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean, it depends on who the agent is, but
you've got to be prepared for some of these guys,
particularly some of the more top, more experienced agents. You've
got to be on your p's and q's, and you've
got to be ready because they want to fight at
all times.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay, the rams are pretty hard and negotiating. Yep, Stafford.
You never believe Stafford was going to leave, But if
you look at his contract, I can argue he's underpaid
relative to the market. He'll be making less than brock Purty.
Why do you think he stayed? What do you think that?
Because I heard it went back and forth for about
three days.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Why la?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Sean McVay, Now, what do you mean by la? It's
a great place to live, good weather. He's lived in Detroit,
he's in LA with a good, good coach. I think
that he's got obviously an opportunity to get continually better players.
Less will do a good job there drafting and signing
players in free agency. He'll have a say in the
whole thing. And you know, he's what made three hundred
and sixty million dollars in his career. So I think
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he can live on that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's got a nice little place in mb Yeah, smoke
us to go on that deck if you want to do.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It's clean living.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
So now you are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
In a situation where you are dealing with coll I mean,
it's the same job, but a better boss.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So when you look when kids come out today, yep.
So I think a lot of people I hear a
lot of these things leaked kids are more arrogant nil.
Is that what you're experiencing.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
No, I just think that you need to sort of
start the recruitment earlier now because of the NIL stuff,
Because you want to develop the relationship with the players
earlier in the process, because a lot of times you
are a part of their nil deals, okay as an agency,
So now you're getting involved with doing their nil deals,
but you're also building that relationship early with the player.
So once he pans out and becomes a good player
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and becomes an NFL chan prospect, now all of a sudden,
you've developed that relationship with him and had him under
your sort of your tutelage.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I always had this. I had somebody tell me
this years ago at NFLGM. He said, we love drafting
Mark Rick's players at Georgia because he hasn't squeezed all
the juice out of them. Be careful about Nick Saban's
defensive backs. He's made them look better than they are.
That Saban was such a great coach. People alway said
this Aboutjeff Tedford. He squeezed, You're not going there's no upside.
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Tedford got everything out of him. So do you notice
when you're recruiting players for Clutch that there are certain programs, yes,
where players are more NFL ready.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I will tell you does a great job with their
players as Ohio State that that program is run. I
mean it's it's running obviously national champions, but those kids
are so mature and by the time that they get
through that program, if they can make it through the program,
they are NFL ready and they're ready to go onto
the real world.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Do you think it's because of the intensity of the program.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think they teach a lot of life lessons. I
think they do a lot of things off the field
that are teaching these young men how to be, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Sort of adults, Like what what do you think?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I think it's the life skills, you know, just whether
it's you know now with the nil how to handle
your finances, how to how to how to sort of
make a brand a name for yourself, those sort of
things that I think are again great for these kids
for life.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
What a fun job. It's great, isn't it? You you know? Okay,
one more player. I don't like to be critical of
young guys, but uh mel Kiper told me years ago
nobody lies more than agents in GM's two.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Weeks before the draft, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And there are certain people that are being pushed to
me and like, for instance, I watched a lot of
Jackson Dark. I think he's a fourth rounder. I'm being
told he's a first rounder former general manager.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
What do you like?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What would worry you?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
And the thing I like?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I think you you can argue that he's checked a
lot of the boxes in terms of playing well at
the Senior Bowl, doing some good things at the combine,
throwing well there, he interviewed well with teams from what
I hear. At the same time, you always have to
rely on the tape because again I say this all
the time, we go out in the fall and we
fall in love with the player and then confuse ourselves
in the spring, because we've got to remember that the
things that you see on tape in the.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Fall or would really matter. Now all of a sudden
we're worried about the three cone. Well, we don't run
a three cone at one o'clock one Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, did you ever did you think the combine? Did
you ever see a player of the combine and elevate
him or do you think it's just guys in shorts
run fast?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh no, I mean I've overthought it before I've done it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, yeah, of course, you just kind of fall in
love with me. Yeah, big fast, explosive.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah yeah, that Missouri offensive lineman, that the kid that
everybody's talking about. Like I looked at his combine and
I'm like late first round to top ten, felt like
to me.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yes, yes, absolutely, okay, yeah, all right, I want to
go out tonight.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Absolutely if you're buying it fall.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
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Speaker 4 (19:01):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The Eagles signed Saquon Barkley yesterday Today they're signing Zach Bond, linebacker,
three year deal. The all pro fans love him. Thirty
four million guaranteed out of the fifty one. So what
do they do with Saquon Barkley and Zach Bond. It's
a ton of money up front. A lot of teams
aren't gonna write those checks. So he's got, you know,
a million and a half bucks and incentives and escalators,
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so a lot of money up front. Steve Kaim said
he would resign Zach Bond, and they did. He thinks
he's a guy kind of calling plays and right behind
that great defensive line. So they're making decisions. Zach Bond
to me was to go either way. Linebackers, do you
want to pay him? Keep that old line? Jalen hurt Saquon.
They gonna go with Zach Bond. They're gonna move off
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Milton Williams. They could probably move off sweat. They moved
off the areas slag. They're gonna move off some defensive guys,
but they're gonna keep Zach Bond. I know that makes
Eagle fans happy.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
News, No, no turn on the news. This is the
headline news.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's not getting the fanfare of Zach Gon.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
But Travis Kelcey will be returning to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
He has committed to coming back.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Today, on his podcast, he explains some of the reasons
why he's returning to Casey.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
The biggest thing is that I love playing the game football.
It's a good reason I love playing I still feel
like I could play it at a high level, and
possibly at a higher level than I did last year.
I don't think it was my best outing, you know.
I think I let my guys down in a lot
more moments than I than I helped them.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, I think he's got a year left. I probably
would have called it a career. He's had a lot
of surgeries.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
But can't go out like that though, I mean not
to game future. He was a non factor.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He had a good game against Houston and then after
that nothing came to play.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Well, it's hard, he's invisible.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, you know you had a very good year.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Wait, what's hard playing football?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, playing tight end you have to block people, not
just going out.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Oh bro, he's like one of the five greatest sight
ends ever, maybe three.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, yeah, it's very difficult. It's a George Kittle has
to block. It's just not running a curl route and
taking a few plays off. These wide receivers out there
making fancy catches. These guys have to block.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
By the way, you think the Chiefs are going back
to uh Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't no way.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I told you they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Three people.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean, you were right, I'm not you were right.
Of course you didn't think they were going to the Super.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Bowl, and not think that either, but they got I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean my takeaway is now is I don't know
if I Trump, I don't know if I trust Buffalo
and Baltimore. I want to see what the Chargers do
in the draft. If the Chargers had a good draft
and got DK Metcalf, I would take them to go
to the super Bowl. That's how I feel. At some point,
I'm done trusting Sean McDermott against Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I want to see what I mean, hardball took a
nightmare to a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
All these referee changes, and that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Help I am. I'm open for business in the AFC.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Who's your NFC team, Eagle?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I think Philadelphia and the Rams and Detroit. You been
laughing at the Rams for three years?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
No, I like the Rams, Come on stop?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Next story is the Oh yeah, let's go with The
wide receiver market is just getting flooded with names. It
was DeVante Adams, now it's DK Metcalp Kevin, Sorry, Tyler
Lockett Man. It is absolutely crazy, all these receivers. Let's
drill down on DeVonta Adams for a second. The best
odds for him, according to one book, are the Green
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Bay Packers Colin at plus one ninety.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
That to me seems insane that he would return to
Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, it also tells you of all those good young
Packer receivers and tight ends, they feel like they need
an adult. They're so young at tight end, they are
so young at receiver. It's kind of the Packers and
gouden Koun's telling you like, we need somebody that's been
around the league, a little more dependable, a little more adult.
So I think the Packers receivers and tight ends are great,
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but they're all kids, all of them.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I do find it odds that the team is essentially
clamoring for a big game wide receiver that's gonna mess
with the heads.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Of ald wide receivers that are already there. Don't you
think like they don't one of them go sideway?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
It might have been Wicks or Dobbs in there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
They're trying to move off Cooper Cup.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
No what they're done with Cooper Cupp. But they need
they need a.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
You need a one two punch of well, Chargers need
a guy, obviously. I think the Niners on there is goofy.
There's no chance they just moved off Deba.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, that's I don't get that.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Yeah, Steelers make sense as they could use a receiver
as well. I don't know what's up with Pickketts. Haven't
heard buz fromhim lately. Colin.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Final story is the Raiders made one of the biggest
moves of the offseason just now, and that's because Max
Crosby just became the highest paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Max Crosby Colin three years, one hundred and six and
a half million, ninety one and a half million guaranteed.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
That comes out to thirty five point three million a year, just.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Over Justin Jefferson's thirty five million Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
This is I have no think, this is insane.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I have no problem paying Max Crosby that he's the
best player on the team. He and Brock Bowers are
the team.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
You're paying him like he's one of the best players
in the league. He is, Oh, stop it, he's really good.
But come on, he's not even top Is he top
five minutes position?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yes, Gott, he's Garrett, No, Miles, Garrett Hutchison.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I take Crosby over all those guys except Garrett, TJ. Watt, Miles, Garrett,
Max Crosby kid in Cincinnati's probably four.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But I need to go through all Max Crosby's playoff
footage and pull his great, greatest highlights.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
But you're talking, come on, he's not top five defensive
end pass rusher.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right now, Guys who'd PFF have top five six?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I'm sure Crosby is up there before.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He is unblockable, very very good, and by the way, Miles.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Garrett Hendrickson led the league in sacks.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
No, he's very good too.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Michael Parsons, Come on, there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And Max Crosby is one of them. You don't like
Max Crosby's brother.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I just I think Nick's up there, Joey's Oh that
paying him that much money? Colin, that's the only guy
on defense they're paying. Kansas City plays one great defensive player.
You can pay one great guy up front, then you
draft defense.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Oh, by the way, I got to give the Raiders
props for one thing.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
They got this done before Micah Parsons, before Trey Hendrickson.
So now the dumb begles, the dumb cowboys have waited
in the market three cent. Do you think Michael Parsons
is gonna take less than Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Like a PFF doesn't even have Max Crosby in the
top ten. Outrageous.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I mean, if you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Take today Max Crosby or Micah Parson, I would take
Max Crosby. Now Jared Verse, isn't you know Jared Vers
is a guy to keep your eye on.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
You take him over Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, Crosby was fourth and twenty twenty. Give me listen.
Miles Garrett is my one. Nick Bosa's probably my two.
And then I think you get into like I like
Will Henderson, Trey Hendrickson. I think Crosby's in that cloud.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
TJ. Watt? How do you not like him?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It gets hurt?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
All right, Aiden Hutchinson, I mean, I don't know call
this is. This could be your list for tomorrow if.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You have a boozy night with uh, you.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Know it's a game it's it's a game night. I
can't be out there flying blind? All right? Are you done?
J Mack with the news?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Line What it tells me. I'm looking at this list
and it's, by the way, outside of Miles Garrett. It's inches,
not feet. Miles Garrett like I like, I like Bosa
and Watt. They've both gotten dinged up a little bit.
Khalil Mack has been last couple of years has been sensational.
I think Jared Verse is the guy. If you told
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me who's the guy you get for the next five years,
I take Jared.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Verse number one, number one.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh I think Jared Verse. No, I think Will Anderson
at Houston's exceptional. Oh yeah, got about him, he's really good.
Trey hendrickson Cincinnati, these are all they're all good. So
and they only sit and sign Max to a five
year deal to three years short deal. Yeah, and they
signed him, as you noted, they signed him before Mike assigned,
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so they got probably a better number. I mean, who
are the Raiders paying right now? Not paying a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think Wilkins got a good money to come over
from you.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean they're not paying Brock Powers, not yet.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You got some free times.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What are they paying Colton Miller left tackle, probably making
something now. They don't pay a lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
They don't have a receiver, they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Kobe Meyer. I mean they're not paying anybody. They're paying
Wilkins on the defense.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Think three coaches not to coach? I think, right, well, just.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
If I'm not paying. I also think it sends a
message in the locker room if you're great, we'll pay you.
You can't let Max Crosby go. And Pete Carroll's a
defensive coach. He has a bit. You know, remember the
GM that went to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Is a kid.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Pete has big say in that move. Okay, Pete. At
the end in Seattle, John Snyder was making the calls.
My says, Pete didn't love that. He likes to say
in personnel. He loves to say in personnel. This is
Pete's franchise, first, second, third, and if they signed Aaron Rodgers,
he'd come to terms with.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
That very quickly. He's over to a septagenarian news.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
No, I'm just I'm telling you, Pete Carroll made this move,
not the GM. Pete's running the show. That's how Pete operates.
He's how he operated at USC, It's how he operated
until the very end in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Does Pete Carroll over under half? A playoff appearance for
Pete Carroll with these Raiders?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Probably under? Because the division is so good. It's not
a knock on him. I just think, I mean again,
they don't have a quarterback. Now, what if they hired
us to consult Do you think consulting? Yeah, well, that
could certainly help matters. I don't think it's terrible to
get your house in order for a year, trade down
in the draft if you can and get more good players.
(28:51):
I don't think this is the year to need a quarterback.
I don't think I would give Sam Darnold a four
year deal.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
You take a flyer on Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
As long as Aaron knows that Pete's running the show,
I'm not going to sign. I'm not going to sign
who you want. But Pete Carroll is running the operation,
all of it, including draft day. Pete will have the
big say. Pete will have the final say on draft day.
That's my take, not some young kid who you know,
smart young kid, but he's not going to have the
final Signe should just bring.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
In Lebron to help out, because Lebron knows a lot
about putting together a roster.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
He has done it so many times in his.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's not a criticism, it's just I'm telling you what's
happening with Pete. He's running it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
So he made Daniel Jones QB one for the Raiders
next year.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You like that again, I think Daniel Jones. If you
signed a two year deal with Daniel Jones and it
was very team friendly, I could do that.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
So then you build a roster around quarterback and then
find a quarterback ray.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Down in the draft, get another second or a third
round pick. Pete loves the draft, he likes he likes
washing college football. You know, I don't think you want
to get deep into the Darnald Weeds at want four years.
If I could get two Daniel Jones, I'd consider it.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
We Steve Kahim, former decade long GM of the Arizona Cardinals.
Now he is the GM of Clutch Football, Rich Paul's company,
and he's having the time of his life. So we
were talking during the break that I don't think fans
realize this. You do analytics and auditing of your own
drafts over a decade. Yes, if you looked at the
analytics of the entire NFL, on average, how many draft
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picks become starters and stick?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, And I know, Colin, the big thing about it
is is we set a really low bar when we
ran those analytical numbers, and you know, really to start
over ten year period, when you looked at the first
three rounds, fifty one percent were guys that hit. And
I'm talking about guys who were just solid starting players
in the National Football.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
League quarterbacks first round. What's the number forty nine percent?
So this is an interesting one. I look at a
player like Kyle McCord's second round who could fall to
a better team, and I think he could be as
good as shaduor Sanders. To you, when you look at
Jalen Milroe, cam Ward, Shador Sanders is one clearly better.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Well, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I mean, obviously I'm a little bit biased towards Jalen
Milroe because we represented him that I spend a lot of
time with him. His upside and his talent is absolutely
off the charts. I mean, I haven't seen many guys
that can throw the football like him, that have that
kind of speed and explosiveness for a quarterback. At two
hundred and twenty five pounds, he's probably a sub four
to four guy.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
And I think he's going to.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Be a better athlete than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yes, Yes, in my opinion, he is.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And he's a tremendous runner with the football in his hands,
and he's got the size and explosiveness.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's rare and off the charts.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think he's going to be a guy under the
right tutelage and the right coaching I think he is
going to develop and do a great pro.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Okay, cam Ward, is he the safest quarterback pick?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I think so.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think he's got the most talent in terms of
football acumen, a skill set. He's got a really live arm,
quick release. I thought the tape was really good watching
him at Miami this year.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You worry about the backyard football thing.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's a tendency that he can do that, you know,
getting a lot of these quarterbacks that are runners of
the football, they can get into bad habits because they've
escaped the pressure all their lives, so creates some bad tendencies.
But he's a guy that I think is going to
turn into a really good pro as well.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay, you know you went up, you went and acquired
James Connor from Pittsburgh. Ye. It was a great pick
up for Arizona. And it was during a time where
everybody was saying, you know, running backs are overrated yep,
and you're out there like now, I'm going to go
with it. I've always believed that a perimeter players can
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be a bit overrated wide receivers. I think we just
got out of a wide receiver bubble housing bubble. What
do you make of a Saquon Barkley move? And why
did you make a James Connor move? Your thought? You're
a former offensive lineman. How do you view running backs?
This is a good running back draft. How do you
view them?
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Again, now we go back to analytics, and analytics has
told you over time that generally the best backs have
been drafted in rounds three through five. Okay, now that's
just an analytical study. But that being said, I mean,
if you've got a special back like Saquon Barkley, you
take him as a top ten pick because they are
Bell Cow, Adrian Peterson, guys who are different. And I
think the fact that they paid him, I think is
another good move by Howie Roseman.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They paid the bell Cow.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
They set the market now at what twenty million dollars
for running backs, and you know, again, they rewarded one
of their own, and I think that's that's tremendous.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
We've talked about the Philadelphia Eagles. They're going to have
to move off certain players. Yep, so they're going to
move off Sweat, probably Dvine, is it Milton Williams.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, we've Mill Williams as a client and he is
a tremendous, tremendous talent. I think he's gonna get going
to do real well in the market.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, the question is you don't want to pay linebackers
a lot. What is Howie do with that Bond?
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, you know, I think he's a guy that's also
a difference maker. And you know, obviously sometimes it depends
when if the guy is a guy that calls the defense,
if he sets the front end warner.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, guys like that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And you know, I think with Bond, especially with that
talented defensive front up there, he may be the guy
that sets that front and keeps them aligned. So that
could be an important part of the process as well.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So you're a former offensive lineman. I have made this.
I've been on this for seven years. There is something
about offensive coaches being able to reboot and restructure an
O line. Andy McVeigh, Ben Johnson here has went out
and got two guards defensive coaches, and I don't know
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what it is. Yep, there is some sensibility about offensive
head coaches and the ability to either spot to develop
O lines. So the Bears go out and they paid
two guards. Do you like that?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I love it? I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Because I mean, think about it, your future is that quarterback,
and everything is coming about a gap pressure, and now
all of a sudden you protect that quarterback inside out,
and now all of a sudden you got an opportunity
to see what Kleb Williams can really do.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Is it a good offensive line draft?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You know, I think it's solid. I mean there's some
good players in the draft. I think, you know, maybe
more starters than Pro Bowl players, but I think, you know,
in the first two rounds there's going to be a
number of players that end up being solid starters in
the league.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
I want to go back to quarterbacks in college Shadure Sanders.
If I had to draft a quarterback, what concerned you
about Shadoor Sanders?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know, I think holding the ball a little too
long at times. You know, I think he's got the
right skill set. I do think he's a smart football player.
When you watch him in the pocket, he's got a
really good pocket presence. So I do like a lot
of things about Shador and I think he's going to
be a fine player to the next level. Now, is
your first year starter, I don't know about that. But
at the same time, I think he's got a lot
of things going for him in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Does it help that dad was a pro? Or does
it not matter?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I think one hundred percent. I mean, he grew up
with football.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
He understands what it takes to be a pre Say
what you want about Dion Sanders, but he's got to
figure it out. I mean he does, He's got to
figure it out. He knows what it takes. I think
the kid is a tremendous worker. I think he works
at it, and I think that's half the battle. When
you got that skill set.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Arm strength is average. Does that matter a lot to you?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, Because, I mean, what's the first thing you asked
your quarterback to do? Thro catchable ball. It doesn't matter
what your arm strength is if you can't throw it
in the right direction.
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Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So much of free agency. You've dabbled in some free agency.
It can be a little bit of a sucker's paradise.
Would you lookay?
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Dk metcalf is now twenty seven years old. Story Today
John Snyder, who by the way does not miss on
wide receiver talent is going to move off him. Tyler
Lockett as well, you're a GM, you need a wide receiver.
You're Jim Harball, twenty seven years old, pretty darn expensive,
one year left, probably wanting to negotiate a new deal.
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What do you do with DK Metcalfs.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's the thing. I mean, he wants a new deal.
I'm sure, I'm sure this is what it's all about.
He's got what thirty one million dollars one year left,
no guarantee.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I would you know? You look at you said it best.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Jos John Schneider and Jason lad are probably the two
best in the league in terms of acquiring wide receiver talent.
Those guys have been off the charts and really don't miss. So,
you know, I mean I think that that John. The
cards are in John's hand. I mean, I think he
can play it. However, he wants your quarterback's thirty five
years old, so that's concern. But at the same time,
you know, you got to decide yourself, do you have
a youth movement?
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Are you rebuilding? Where are you at?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
They have a really good young nucleus up there, and
if the guy is getting loud and he's being a
you know, sort of locker room lawyer.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Then I would probably move on.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
What would you? J Mack and I talked about this.
I think with his contract he's worth J Max says
a third. I say a second. What would you give
up for him if you needed to receive.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
You know, twenty seven years old?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I'd probably, I probably said, But now that being said,
you're going to have to give a second and you
know sign him as well. So you're gonna want to
do a sign in trade to make sure that you
have him in a place where you avoid sort of
the Hassan Redick issue with the Jets when they traded
for him.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So you represent clutch football represents Jalen Milroll, great parents,
great kid.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
But I was defending Shador Sanders yesterday. I said, grew
up rich due to the nil is now rich and
a lot of a lot of there were stories that
leaked out he's brash and arrogant, And I said, you know,
the New York Giants may be an impediment to being successful.
They may be a roadblock. I can I understand the
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culture's changed. A star quarterback out of college he's not desperate. Yeah,
what's the line on you, Steve interviewing a college quarterback
in the NIL world? What is confidence? What is arrogance?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, you know, it's funny because it went from the
first question you used to ask him was how was
he going to deal with money? Well, now half these
quarterbacks have more money than half the starters in the NFL.
Schador Sanders certainly does so. I mean, obviously he understands
what it takes to balance the checkbook. He understands all
the sort of the things that come with playing that position.
So I think with the NFL NIO War world, there
has been some good things that have come with it
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in terms of teaching guys how to be a pro.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Earlier, Yeah, did you ever have I mean, Kyler Murray
was a different personality. Yeah, Dad was involved. Was there
a moment's pause that you did You guys had that
discussion about you know, he's a little quirky personality.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Was that No, because I knew at the end of
the day he would make us a much better football team.
I think it's kind of like this draft here, you know,
just does tam Ward at the first pick make you
a better team? Initially, or does Abdul Carter. We had
Joey or Nick Bosa on the board, so is Kyler
Murray or Nick Bosa. Now you can argue obviously that
Nick Bosa was a better player, tremendous subside. But but
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but Kyler Murray, that decision was going to propel us
in the winning direction quicker because of the position of.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Need, Sam Darnold does he have one?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yes, yes, I mean again supplying demand at that position,
there's probably what seven, eight, ten guys you can win
with and then the rest are playing musical chairs. Sam
Darnold is a good player. He put good tape out
there this year.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You didn't love him out of college.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I saw him eating some crow with this on you
you know. But yeah, no, But but I'll tell you what.
Jordan Palmer has also taken his game to another level.
Jordan has done a great job with him. You know,
he works with him as well as Josh Allen and
some of those guys. So Jordan Palmer is like the
quarterback whisper. He does a great thing with those guys
and down in Orange County. But but yes, Sam is
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going to have a market you know. To me, this
franchise tag is at forty. You're probably negotiating somewhere off
that number. So you're going, you know, if it's a
long time term deal, maybe you get him in the
mid forty range, maybe somewhere where.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Party he's going to come in.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay, Aaron Rodgers, would you sign him for it? He
doesn't want to play forever. Got a house in Malibu,
Las Vegas. Pete Carroll's going to run the show, Chip
Kelly strong oc you're the Raiders. Two years? Aaron Rodgers
interest him?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah? Two years? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean again, you know, do I put Aaron Rodgers
up from a skill set standpoint compared to the other
thirty two quarterbacks. He's certainly in the first half now.
I know again he's going through some injuries and had
some bad luck at the Jets. But the guy can
still play and if he put in the right situation.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I think at some.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Success does a personality matter to you?
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think it just depends on what your culture is.
You know, who's your head coach, how's your building run?
I think those things are playing to it for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, Pete's going to run the show. Yes, very strong willed,
strong personality. Yes, Okay, so let's get down. So he
loves brock Perty. I mean, he'd pay him like he's
a Swiss bank. I'm like his career numbers against playoff
teams aren't great. I think he's maybe the thirteenth to
fifteenth most talented quarterback in the league. That's about forty
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five large. That's what Lynch offered. I'm his agent, you're
the GM of of San Francisco. What would you be
comfortable going to?
Speaker 4 (12:06):
You said, John went to forty five.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
At this point, I'd say there, Yeah, I would say
there again. Now, this is one of those situations where
it comes down to the player's got to be smart
enough to understand that he fits in that system. Ideally, Okay,
he has great talent around him. Kyle knows how to
run the football extremely well. So those things set him
up to be a successful quarterback. Don't be dumb and
(12:27):
chase the money somewhere else. When you can get a
great deal and play for your home team.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Do you tell the agent that, yes, you do with emphasis.
So you've had high volume conversations with agents.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yes, and you're just hey, don't be dumb.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Don't be dumb. And by the way, people confuse contextualization
with hate. Yeah, how do you preface it? Like, let's
say you're driving to work and you know you've got
to talk to brock Perty's agent. Yeah, and you got
to get kind of caffeinated, because again, have you gone
into calls knowing it's gonna be Is it an hour conversation?
(13:07):
Is it fifteen? How do you prepare for that conversation?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I mean, it depends on who the agent is, but
you've got to be prepared for some of these guys,
particularly some of the more top, more experienced agents. You've
got to be on your p's and q's, and you've
got to be ready because they want to fight at
all times.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Okay, the rams are pretty hard and negotiating. Yep, Stafford.
You never believe Stafford was going to leave, But if
you look at his contract, I can argue he's underpaid
relative to the market. He'll be making less than brock Purty.
Why do you think he stayed? What do you think that?
Because I heard it went back and forth for about
three days.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Why la?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Sean McVay, Now, what do you mean by la? It's
a great place to live, good weather. He's lived in Detroit,
he's in LA with a good, good coach. I think
that he's got obviously an opportunity to get continually better players.
Less will do a good job there drafting and signing
players in free agency. He'll have a say in the
whole thing. And you know, he's what made three hundred
and sixty million dollars in his career. So I think
(14:05):
he can live on that.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
It's got a nice little place in mb Yeah, smoke
us to go on that deck if you want to do.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It's clean living.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
So now you are.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
In a situation where you are dealing with coll I mean,
it's the same job, but a better boss.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So when you look when kids come out today, yep.
So I think a lot of people I hear a
lot of these things leaked kids are more arrogant nil.
Is that what you're experiencing.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
No, I just think that you need to sort of
start the recruitment earlier now because of the NIL stuff,
Because you want to develop the relationship with the players
earlier in the process, because a lot of times you
are a part of their nil deals, okay as an agency,
So now you're getting involved with doing their nil deals,
but you're also building that relationship early with the player.
So once he pans out and becomes a good player
(14:57):
and becomes an NFL chan prospect, now all of a sudden,
you've developed that relationship with him and had him under
your sort of your tutelage.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So I always had this. I had somebody tell me
this years ago at NFLGM. He said, we love drafting
Mark Rick's players at Georgia because he hasn't squeezed all
the juice out of them. Be careful about Nick Saban's
defensive backs. He's made them look better than they are.
That Saban was such a great coach. People alway said
this Aboutjeff Tedford. He squeezed, You're not going there's no upside.
(15:27):
Tedford got everything out of him. So do you notice
when you're recruiting players for Clutch that there are certain programs, yes,
where players are more NFL ready.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I will tell you does a great job with their
players as Ohio State that that program is run. I
mean it's it's running obviously national champions, but those kids
are so mature and by the time that they get
through that program, if they can make it through the program,
they are NFL ready and they're ready to go onto
the real world.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Do you think it's because of the intensity of the program.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I think that.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I think they teach a lot of life lessons. I
think they do a lot of things off the field
that are teaching these young men how to be, you know.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Sort of adults, Like what what do you think?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I think it's the life skills, you know, just whether
it's you know now with the nil how to handle
your finances, how to how to how to sort of
make a brand a name for yourself, those sort of
things that I think are again great for these kids
for life.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
What a fun job. It's great, isn't it? You you know? Okay,
one more player. I don't like to be critical of
young guys, but uh mel Kiper told me years ago
nobody lies more than agents in GM's two.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Weeks before the draft, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And there are certain people that are being pushed to
me and like, for instance, I watched a lot of
Jackson Dark. I think he's a fourth rounder. I'm being
told he's a first rounder former general manager.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
What do you like?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What would worry you?
Speaker 4 (16:52):
And the thing I like?
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I think you you can argue that he's checked a
lot of the boxes in terms of playing well at
the Senior Bowl, doing some good things at the combine,
throwing well there, he interviewed well with teams from what
I hear. At the same time, you always have to
rely on the tape because again I say this all
the time, we go out in the fall and we
fall in love with the player and then confuse ourselves
in the spring, because we've got to remember that the
things that you see on tape in the.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Fall or would really matter. Now all of a sudden
we're worried about the three cone. Well, we don't run
a three cone at one o'clock one Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, did you ever did you think the combine? Did
you ever see a player of the combine and elevate
him or do you think it's just guys in shorts
run fast?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Oh no, I mean I've overthought it before I've done it.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
Yeah, yeah, of course, you just kind of fall in
love with me. Yeah, big fast, explosive.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah yeah, that Missouri offensive lineman, that the kid that
everybody's talking about. Like I looked at his combine and
I'm like late first round to top ten, felt like
to me.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yes, yes, absolutely, okay, yeah, all right, I want to
go out tonight.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Absolutely if you're buying it fall.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
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Speaker 4 (19:01):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
The Eagles signed Saquon Barkley yesterday Today they're signing Zach Bond, linebacker,
three year deal. The all pro fans love him. Thirty
four million guaranteed out of the fifty one. So what
do they do with Saquon Barkley and Zach Bond. It's
a ton of money up front. A lot of teams
aren't gonna write those checks. So he's got, you know,
a million and a half bucks and incentives and escalators,
(19:23):
so a lot of money up front. Steve Kaim said
he would resign Zach Bond, and they did. He thinks
he's a guy kind of calling plays and right behind
that great defensive line. So they're making decisions. Zach Bond
to me was to go either way. Linebackers, do you
want to pay him? Keep that old line? Jalen hurt Saquon.
They gonna go with Zach Bond. They're gonna move off
(19:44):
Milton Williams. They could probably move off sweat. They moved
off the areas slag. They're gonna move off some defensive guys,
but they're gonna keep Zach Bond. I know that makes
Eagle fans happy.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
J Mack with the.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
News, No, no turn on the news. This is the
headline news.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
It's not getting the fanfare of Zach Gon.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
But Travis Kelcey will be returning to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
He has committed to coming back.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
Today, on his podcast, he explains some of the reasons
why he's returning to Casey.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
The biggest thing is that I love playing the game football.
It's a good reason I love playing I still feel
like I could play it at a high level, and
possibly at a higher level than I did last year.
I don't think it was my best outing, you know.
I think I let my guys down in a lot
more moments than I than I helped them.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, I think he's got a year left. I probably
would have called it a career. He's had a lot
of surgeries.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
But can't go out like that though, I mean not
to game future. He was a non factor.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
He had a good game against Houston and then after
that nothing came to play.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Well, it's hard, he's invisible.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Well, you know you had a very good year.
Speaker 6 (20:52):
Wait, what's hard playing football?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Well, playing tight end you have to block people, not
just going out.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Oh bro, he's like one of the five greatest sight
ends ever, maybe three.
Speaker 6 (21:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Well, yeah, it's very difficult. It's a George Kittle has
to block. It's just not running a curl route and
taking a few plays off. These wide receivers out there
making fancy catches. These guys have to block.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
By the way, you think the Chiefs are going back
to uh Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't no way.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
I told you they wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Three people.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean, you were right, I'm not you were right.
Of course you didn't think they were going to the Super.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
Bowl, and not think that either, but they got I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
I mean my takeaway is now is I don't know
if I Trump, I don't know if I trust Buffalo
and Baltimore. I want to see what the Chargers do
in the draft. If the Chargers had a good draft
and got DK Metcalf, I would take them to go
to the super Bowl. That's how I feel. At some point,
I'm done trusting Sean McDermott against Andy Reid.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
What do you want me to do?
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I want to see what I mean, hardball took a
nightmare to a playoff team.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
All these referee changes, and that's gonna.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Help I am. I'm open for business in the AFC.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Who's your NFC team, Eagle?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I think Philadelphia and the Rams and Detroit. You been
laughing at the Rams for three years?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
No, I like the Rams, Come on stop?
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Next story is the Oh yeah, let's go with The
wide receiver market is just getting flooded with names. It
was DeVante Adams, now it's DK Metcalp Kevin, Sorry, Tyler
Lockett Man. It is absolutely crazy, all these receivers. Let's
drill down on DeVonta Adams for a second. The best
odds for him, according to one book, are the Green
(22:28):
Bay Packers Colin at plus one ninety.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
That to me seems insane that he would return to
Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, it also tells you of all those good young
Packer receivers and tight ends, they feel like they need
an adult. They're so young at tight end, they are
so young at receiver. It's kind of the Packers and
gouden Koun's telling you like, we need somebody that's been
around the league, a little more dependable, a little more adult.
So I think the Packers receivers and tight ends are great,
(22:57):
but they're all kids, all of them.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I do find it odds that the team is essentially
clamoring for a big game wide receiver that's gonna mess
with the heads.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
Of ald wide receivers that are already there. Don't you
think like they don't one of them go sideway?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
It might have been Wicks or Dobbs in there.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
They're trying to move off Cooper Cup.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
No what they're done with Cooper Cupp. But they need
they need a.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
You need a one two punch of well, Chargers need
a guy, obviously. I think the Niners on there is goofy.
There's no chance they just moved off Deba.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, that's I don't get that.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Yeah, Steelers make sense as they could use a receiver
as well. I don't know what's up with Pickketts. Haven't
heard buz fromhim lately. Colin.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Final story is the Raiders made one of the biggest
moves of the offseason just now, and that's because Max
Crosby just became the highest paid non quarterback in NFL history.
Max Crosby Colin three years, one hundred and six and
a half million, ninety one and a half million guaranteed.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
That comes out to thirty five point three million a year, just.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Over Justin Jefferson's thirty five million Colin.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
This is I have no think, this is insane.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I have no problem paying Max Crosby that he's the
best player on the team. He and Brock Bowers are
the team.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
You're paying him like he's one of the best players
in the league. He is, Oh, stop it, he's really good.
But come on, he's not even top Is he top
five minutes position?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yes, Gott, he's Garrett, No, Miles, Garrett Hutchison.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I take Crosby over all those guys except Garrett, TJ. Watt, Miles, Garrett,
Max Crosby kid in Cincinnati's probably four.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But I need to go through all Max Crosby's playoff
footage and pull his great, greatest highlights.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
But you're talking, come on, he's not top five defensive
end pass rusher.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right now, Guys who'd PFF have top five six?
Speaker 6 (24:41):
I'm sure Crosby is up there before.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
He is unblockable, very very good, and by the way, Miles.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Garrett Hendrickson led the league in sacks.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
No, he's very good too.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Michael Parsons, Come on, there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
And Max Crosby is one of them. You don't like
Max Crosby's brother.
Speaker 6 (24:56):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I just I think Nick's up there, Joey's Oh that
paying him that much money? Colin, that's the only guy
on defense they're paying. Kansas City plays one great defensive player.
You can pay one great guy up front, then you
draft defense.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Oh, by the way, I got to give the Raiders
props for one thing.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
They got this done before Micah Parsons, before Trey Hendrickson.
So now the dumb begles, the dumb cowboys have waited
in the market three cent. Do you think Michael Parsons
is gonna take less than Max Crosby.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Like a PFF doesn't even have Max Crosby in the
top ten. Outrageous.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I mean, if you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Take today Max Crosby or Micah Parson, I would take
Max Crosby. Now Jared Verse, isn't you know Jared Vers
is a guy to keep your eye on.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
You take him over Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, Crosby was fourth and twenty twenty. Give me listen.
Miles Garrett is my one. Nick Bosa's probably my two.
And then I think you get into like I like
Will Henderson, Trey Hendrickson. I think Crosby's in that cloud.
Speaker 6 (25:57):
TJ. Watt? How do you not like him?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
It gets hurt?
Speaker 5 (26:03):
All right, Aiden Hutchinson, I mean, I don't know call
this is. This could be your list for tomorrow if.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
You have a boozy night with uh, you.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Know it's a game it's it's a game night. I
can't be out there flying blind? All right? Are you done?
J Mack with the news?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the herd.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Line What it tells me. I'm looking at this list
and it's, by the way, outside of Miles Garrett. It's inches,
not feet. Miles Garrett like I like, I like Bosa
and Watt. They've both gotten dinged up a little bit.
Khalil Mack has been last couple of years has been sensational.
I think Jared Verse is the guy. If you told
(26:48):
me who's the guy you get for the next five years,
I take Jared.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Verse number one, number one.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh I think Jared Verse. No, I think Will Anderson
at Houston's exceptional. Oh yeah, got about him, he's really good.
Trey hendrickson Cincinnati, these are all they're all good. So
and they only sit and sign Max to a five
year deal to three years short deal. Yeah, and they
signed him, as you noted, they signed him before Mike assigned,
(27:14):
so they got probably a better number. I mean, who
are the Raiders paying right now? Not paying a quarterback?
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think Wilkins got a good money to come over
from you.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean they're not paying Brock Powers, not yet.
Speaker 6 (27:23):
You got some free times.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What are they paying Colton Miller left tackle, probably making
something now. They don't pay a lot of guys.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
They don't have a receiver, they don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Kobe Meyer. I mean they're not paying anybody. They're paying
Wilkins on the defense.
Speaker 6 (27:33):
Think three coaches not to coach? I think, right, well, just.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
If I'm not paying. I also think it sends a
message in the locker room if you're great, we'll pay you.
You can't let Max Crosby go. And Pete Carroll's a
defensive coach. He has a bit. You know, remember the
GM that went to the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Is a kid.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Pete has big say in that move. Okay, Pete. At
the end in Seattle, John Snyder was making the calls.
My says, Pete didn't love that. He likes to say
in personnel. He loves to say in personnel. This is
Pete's franchise, first, second, third, and if they signed Aaron Rodgers,
he'd come to terms with.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
That very quickly. He's over to a septagenarian news.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
No, I'm just I'm telling you, Pete Carroll made this move,
not the GM. Pete's running the show. That's how Pete operates.
He's how he operated at USC, It's how he operated
until the very end in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Does Pete Carroll over under half? A playoff appearance for
Pete Carroll with these Raiders?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Probably under? Because the division is so good. It's not
a knock on him. I just think, I mean again,
they don't have a quarterback. Now, what if they hired
us to consult Do you think consulting? Yeah, well, that
could certainly help matters. I don't think it's terrible to
get your house in order for a year, trade down
in the draft if you can and get more good players.
(28:51):
I don't think this is the year to need a quarterback.
I don't think I would give Sam Darnold a four
year deal.
Speaker 6 (28:57):
You take a flyer on Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
As long as Aaron knows that Pete's running the show,
I'm not going to sign. I'm not going to sign
who you want. But Pete Carroll is running the operation,
all of it, including draft day. Pete will have the
big say. Pete will have the final say on draft day.
That's my take, not some young kid who you know,
smart young kid, but he's not going to have the
final Signe should just bring.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
In Lebron to help out, because Lebron knows a lot
about putting together a roster.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
He has done it so many times in his.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
It's not a criticism, it's just I'm telling you what's
happening with Pete. He's running it.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
So he made Daniel Jones QB one for the Raiders
next year.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
You like that again, I think Daniel Jones. If you
signed a two year deal with Daniel Jones and it
was very team friendly, I could do that.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
So then you build a roster around quarterback and then
find a quarterback ray.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Down in the draft, get another second or a third
round pick. Pete loves the draft, he likes he likes
washing college football. You know, I don't think you want
to get deep into the Darnald Weeds at want four years.
If I could get two Daniel Jones, I'd consider it.
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