November 21, 2024 • 28 mins
3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to tell Colin if he would consider coaching with Bill Belichick if he returns to the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
We got good stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Three Super Bowl rings, twelve NFL seasons, super Bowl MVP
when they beat the Rams. Julian Edelman is joining us
Sundays on Fox NFL Kickoff, and he's got a course
games with names, new episodes every Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
So Jmax just brought this up.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Jmax always perceptive, He's always looking at the future, even
though he's a Jets fan. Julian, he said, he goes
Bellacheck rumors are Jacksonville. What if Bill calls you and says,
uh Edelman wide receiver coach, I'll pay a four to
fifty year no state tax, would you go?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Absolutely not. He hasn't even come on my podcast yet.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I mean, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Bill?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (01:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But on a serious note, I will never never. I
don't love coaching, and you gotta love coaching. To coach
under Bill. I mean I remember seeing coaches at eight
o'clock after two hours of treatment, after the work day,
put in more time as a player. You go out
in the players lot where we all park, and you
see the coaches meeting with their families, seeing for the
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first time in the day at eight o'clock before they
have night meetings.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Like, I'm not living that life.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And Bill does that because that's what Bill did when
he was young, That's what the coaches above him made
him do. So you know, it's a grind. You have
to learn the grind. If you're coaching with coach Belichick, now,
you can completely change. I don't want them to, you know,
say like, don't speak for him or anything, but that's
what I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Like it's I've come to terms with how my daughter
and my son view the world and how I viewed it.
I would work seventy hour weeks. They're hard workers, but
my daughter's like, I'll never work in a cubicle. I'm
not doing that, and I'm like, I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
The world changes definitely, and I think I think work
has changed in how people work has changed. Also where
people I think guys use their time more effectively, and
sometimes when you're in those old school systems. I remember
seeing coaches in there. I'm like, what are you guys
even doing in here? You know, you guys are coming
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up of NASCAR names for certain plays, like that's what
they do. I mean, but like, you know, a lot
more effective and efficient working these days.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think let's go with Drake May. Jamack liked him
more than I did out of college. He's got a
little bit of a Justin Herbert komp though not quite
as polished as Justin was with all those college starts
at Oregon. What do you hear and what do you
see and what do you like with him?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know what, I'm really impressed with how Drake May
has been playing these last few weeks and cantinually continually improving.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I was a little.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Skeptical at first, you know, with Drake is he too young?
Does he not have enough reps? Is he too raw?
And he's gone in there and he's made plays without
an offensive line, and I think that's been huge because
I didn't think he could do that. And the fact
that they don't have anyone on the offensive line. David
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Andrews their number one offensive lineman. He's on ir he's
one who gets that thing going. They got a bunch
of journey guys, and that's the toughest thing for a
young quarterback to get comfortable is when there's people on
your lap. And he's been able to deliver throws with
people on his lap, and he's progressed with his pocket
presence and he's improving each week. And I love you know,
I heard Brian Horror talking about it, his attitude and
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he's out back Easton and he hears a lot more
on the camp. And he's a guy that's the runt
of four athletes, all boys. His mom's the best athlete
in the family. He said, like he's known what it's
been to get his teeth kicked in, and he's always
had to probably fight for the scraps at the dinner table,
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and that's how he plays.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And that's what he's done each week. He gets his
teeth kicked in. Weekly.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know, he's getting hit a lot and and he's
still make him plays. And we're seeing a lot more
progression with Drake May than we're seeing with Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you were in a lot of big games and
a lot of times in the media, we view it
as winner and loser, Kansas City Buffalo play. Let's start
with Kansas City. Is there any upside to losing to
a primary.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Rival, especially with the wind streak that they had going.
And it's good for the people that are new to
the team and the younger players that haven't really been
there for everything. I remember when people used to come
to New England. They thought it was all sunshine and rainbows.
We're gonna win no matter what. We got this, we
have this guy, we have that guy. But they didn't
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realize that we knew how hard it was to win
in the National Football League. I guarantee Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Kelsey,
they all know how important it is, how hard it
is to win this league. A lot of these new
guys that come in here that think you can just
slop it out there on the field. This is a
recalibration for those guys like, hey, we're not invincible. You know,
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we don't play our best game. There's a lot of
good teams out here, not a lot, but there's good
teams that can beat us. So I think it's great
to recalibrate the newer guys, the younger guys to get
them back to the standard. I'm sure Patrick and all
the studs on the team hold throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
How about for Buffalo now, they it's funny, this is
not like Lamar against the Steelers. Buffalo beats Kansas cit Yeah,
just not in January.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I think it's huge for them as well, because you
still have to remind yourself that they're beatable, you know.
And this isn't the playoffs. It can go completely different
from ye're on out. Yeah, but it's still it's great for.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
The guys that.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know, Buffalo has been beat down a lot over
the years in important games and that could be tough,
and you can lose your confidence. And to go in
and beat a team like the Kansas City Chiefs, who
are the champs, two time defending champs, a team that
you struggle with, it doesn't matter when it is. If
you can beat them, that's gonna be a confidence booster
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for your team going forward. Saying hey, guys, this is
what we preach this whole week. We did it, we
executed it. We executed our game plan and lick what
it did. It put us in our best opportunity to
go out and beat the champs. Now, if we continue this,
if we continue this, don't we don't read the newspaper clippings,
and we continue this, that's how we're gonna have a
chance to win the Super Bowl. So I think this
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is a great learning tool for them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So I'm gonna throw something, Matty. This is a long
winded question, but old school coaches sometimes as they grow,
they still hold us onto some old school stuff. So
Belichick in COVID, he said this is stupid, and he
just kind of punted the season Harbaugh did in college
at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He just said, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Guys like Bruce arians No, I'm playing my starters in
the preseason. I'm gonna a lot of guys bail No,
I'm gonna do that, and he redill do that. So
Mike Tomlin is unbeatable as a Monday night football coach,
and he's great as a Sunday coach. He's abysmal as
a Thursday coach. And I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this
at you.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's old school.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's like, listen, we're built on physicality, brutality, and I
demand a lot from my guys. If you're taking away
three days arrest. I'm not changing my identity for one
Thursday game every two years. If we win, we win.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't care. I'm pontinent.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It's useless. You don't have to go seventeen to know
in this league you can go. We go in twelve
games with the division is that they're so bad on Thursday,
they're unbeatable. So when he gives his physical identity an
extra day, rest your toast Sunday to kick your But
my theory is Tomlin's old school. He's like, I'm not
changing my protocol for some streaming game. Yeah, how are
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they that bad on Thursday?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Old schools not that old school is will go anywhere,
any place, anytime, and we'll play your team. I guarantee
that's probably what he preaches. But I think this all
stems to they have it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team uh
with Tomlin there, I mean they got the back end
of Big Ben when you know, the offense was still
unshaking and they had pick it and then they had this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's a lot of big plays, a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Big plays, but not like an execution style offense. They've
never been.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That, okay, So when we would approach.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
A Thursday night game, we would always lean on the
plays that we executed the best, no matter what could
have been the most.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Vanilla thing ever.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
We were gonna simplify the game plan because there's no
practice reps, but you're gonna do plays that your guys like,
understand the best and execute the best. And that's what
we would do on our Thursday night games. I mean,
I think we I don't think I lost a Thursday
night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense,
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and we were a smart football team that understood what
we had to do to win this short week in
this game and get out healthy.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Did you like them Thursday games?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You know, it's a lot. It's a it's a love
hate thing. It's very tough when you get older to
to to recover and get out there and play at
your highest level. But then you do get the baby
bye week at the end, so it is nice to
have that, but uh, you know, everyone deals with it,
so you have to do it. But I would say,
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you know, that goes back to the Steelers. They've never
been like a high execution offense. You look at a
lot of these teams when they go and play this
Thursday night game, they're just put. They're calling plays that
they know they can execute. There's no new wrinkle. Let's
just I remember we would run has Zi juke, which
was empty because that was our fundamental play that we
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It was the first install of empty that we ever played,
and we knew how to get open on every single
coverage with that play, like against the Jets, and they
were always sloppy games, but you did what you had
to do to have more points at the end of
the game than the other team. And that's what you
were most comfortable with executing.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
If you wont a Thursday game. Would Belichick ever go
extra day off?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Well, by the end the CBA, you know that you
had to have a certain amount of days off in
a row. But yeah, you know, we always I don't.
I don't think I ever lost one. So wow, in seventeen,
I think they may have lost I was, I was
on ACL, but we always had him early in our year.
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I feel like we played the Jets slot we played
Pittsburgh a couple times, so we're for that reason. And
it's like Pittsburgh doesn't play no slop in the park.
When they're playing Thursday night, they're playing a division rival,
which those are tough, you know, so you know, yeah,
just gotta go with what you're comfortable with and you
execute the best.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
By the way, it's week twelve and I remember Trent
Dilfer saying, dude, I'm a quarterback and by week four
everything hurts.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Take me to week twelve.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Julian Edelman, Okay you are you are playing in a
Thursday night off a Sunday game. Yeah, do you wake
up this morning sore?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What age?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay? Okay, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Twenty nine, thirty, You're achy, You're definitely achy. You wake
up today a little achy, But.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I viewprofun what do you know?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
You do a lot of active recovery week all week.
So the job of your yours is an athlete on
a Thursday night game is like NASCAR. You got to
do everything to do you gotta do to get your
car running best that week. So you know, you're you're
in putting more time with treatment, more physical therapy, more,
you're prehab more of your conditioning. You're doing all those
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things because you're not going to have physical reps of
practice to get yourself ready. So yeah, it was it
was definitely you know, you were definitely sore.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But this is the time.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Week twelve is the year, the time of the year
where you would get banged up without a doubt six
to eight week six to eight. If you got out
cleaned the first four or five, there's always like a
low period where the excitement of the new year's kind
of gone and the grind of the real season is
starting to hit you, and you're getting tired and you're sore,
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and it's the clocks change and it's darker and you're
at work, you don't see light.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
So it does get like to a grind period.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But then this week twelve starting soon, this is like
the pastorization period of when you milk a cow when
you're trying to get the cream cream seasons after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That sounds like a Belichick story, that's my story.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I always called it that baby.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
But this is the time of year where you're going
to start to see guys separate, and when you play
in the division and guys are starting to know what
their team is and everything's about putting the tools on
the belt for the dance. The playoffs, and this is
when yeah, you were bumped up and you were sore,
but there was light at the end of the tunnel,
and that light was the playoffs. That light was the
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seeding That light was you know how the health of
the team is. We're getting healthy. That's what the light is.
At the end of the year and you start seeing
that week twelve, week thirteen, week fourteen, you're in it
and this is what we are and now we better
not lose a game because we want to play our
best football at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It was good.
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Speaker 3 (13:49):
The pasturization of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Well, that's part of the time when the creams rising
the top.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Absolutely, I got it.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's not cream season yet. It's not cream season for
all you the mill kids out there. Let's get in
the comment section and let's see what we uh are
we doing this wrong? I want to know the explanation
and the analogy.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Somebody go to a dairy reddit board and get me
something on this, because I thought that was one of
the smartest things ever dropped off.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
After well cream seasons, after Thanksgiving, that's the cream rises
to the top.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Baby, it's the pumpkin spice at the Starbucks thing. Okay,
games with names. Who's your latest?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
We just we just did Jim Craig from nineteen eighties
Olympics goalie miracle on ice. We did Danny DeVito. We
got Dudes on Dudes with Gronk every Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's fun. We're starting to get that going.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's it's been fun, except we you know, freaking I'd
go coach for Bill if he came on my damn podcast?
Would it for one year? No? No, he can't pay
me enough. They have to be seven figures at least,
come on for coach. Geez lived that life twelve years.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, twelve years as a player.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Coaches get it even worse.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You've got a social life now and young daughter. Yes,
he's got a.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Life trying to I'm saying yes to things I didn't
know I could say yes to.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Not a custom.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Since eighth grade, you just said no the whole time.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Anytime it was September to you know, December, February. Yeah,
I mean, since you're a kid, you have football season.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes is a great word. It is margarita tonight. Yeah,
a great word in moderation.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes is a great word.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Great to anybody.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Great to see you, guys, j.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
MA, No, no, the news.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Let's get started with the Chicago Bears. Colin, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
They lost their fourth straight on Sunday, but the offense
did show signs of life in Oramosie Thomas Brown brought
a more balanced approach. Caleb Williams led two touchdown drive
of eleven plus plays. Pretty impressive. Caleb encouraged how things
went last week.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
I think it started in practice with the reps. I
think it started with him stringing things together and doing
a good out with that and and getting everybody into
a rhythm and not you know, necessarily uh, thinking of
what's next or anything like that. We kind of had
an idea of what's next, and you know, from there,
you just you go out there, you play, and you
play a fishing football and it gives you the best
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chance to win. All of these small things, details of routes,
details of you know, the blocking, details of the the
path of running backs and how we're gonna do things.
I think. I think that led into all of what
happened last week.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think it's fun. I think he's getting there. I
think slowly, but sure. I mean Greg co Sell said
an hour ago, this kid is really really a power thrower.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean Greg co Sell could have easily said it
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He's telling you when you watch him last week and
he's moving around. He's got a Herbert power on like
some guys are for National, they have touched. This kid
can crank it.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
That's why I'm surprised you didn't go Caleb over.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I know you punted ye, But.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right now the one that really worries me is Jordan Love.
So I can't wait to watch this weekend. I think
he's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He is.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He is not an anticipatory thrower. When you watch him,
see it throw it, that can lead to interceptions because
that half tick is a pick. So I like him,
but I think he has to develop more into an
anticipatory thrower. That was Aaron in his prime, that was Brady,
That's Maholmes. Is a great anticipatory thing.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
What do you anticipate for Caleb against his Brian Floores
blitz happy defense this weekend in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Is his place in five material or no, it's under consideration.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
By the way, Edelman was nine to oh on Thursday
Night football not bad.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Next story is, oh gosh, Pittburg Steelers. Do we have
to keep talking about them? Colin goodness?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
They got a big game tonight? Obviously, But Justin Fields,
did you notice this? He played three steps last week?
He gressed for seventeen yards. With Russell Wilson's success, Fields
most likely will not get a lot of snaps under center.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
But Smith, Arthur Smith. That is dispelled the idea that
he's a gadget guy. Add he still views Fields as
a premium starter in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Justin Fields was four and two with Pittsburgh a better.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Storyline for tonight.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He's a premier athlete. I don't think he's a premier quarterback.
He's a premier athlete who can be a spot starter.
I think he's a I think that I don't think
I would build around him.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, here's a question.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
He's early in his career, right Well, Baker Mayfield took
a few years to become a stishan.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Baker took very quickly in a tough division, got the
Browns to a playoff and a win. Baker's gotten two teams,
two conferences to playoffs, so that's different. I mean, I
you say he's still a kid. If you get four
years to run a franchise, you're out of the kids.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Four years that Peve Richardson's still a kid.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Four years of coaching.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well at four years good bad? Was Baker getting great
coaching with Freddie Kitchens.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Uh no, I'm gonna go ahead and guess no me
O'Dell Beckham and Jarvis Landry and stacked team. But you know,
so tonight the best story would be the Browns win outright,
justin fields maybe plays a few steps, but Russell Wilson
struggles in the weather, the lake effect wins, and now
we have maybe a quarterback controversy. You would agree that's no.
Is there no chance at the controversy. We don't have
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a quarterback contract yet, but we need to stealers lost.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
To get the Pittsbury hasn't lost the games. That's there's
no controversy, not yet. Russell is QB one for the
rest of the season. It's not even a controversy. There's dude,
they put him in last week and he slid too.
Early on the one thing they wanted him to do.
Russell's fourth quarter passer rating has been money.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Cote Brown's as cool.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
We'll wrap up in the NBA where my Knicks, led
by Jalen Brunson and Kat went off in the desert
against the Suns. Kat and Brunson combined for seventy New
York's won four straight, all five starters in double figures.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Keep an eye on the next colin.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Now, I should add Kevin Durant did not play, Bradley
Beal did not play, sure, and.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
The Suns don't play any defense.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
But listen the Knicks. So they played eight guys really
in the first half. Five of them were new to
the team, right, the top three guys off the bench.
It's gonna take some time, but once this team starts cooking,
look out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Has there been an NBA game in the regular season
last ten years where every starter played? I'm seriously, you
just said, well, this guy didn't play and that guy
didn't play.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
It.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Maybe that's the problem. That's why they're they're ratings seven
years in South Oh yeah, who cares?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Do you care? Yeah? Why it just matters?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, Yeah, apparently the fans don't care. They're not watching.
Everything is on fire. WNBA ratings up, baseball ratings to
the route, NFL UP college Football up Formula one up.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
I mean, if you really want to do this, Kaitlin
Clark ratings up rest in the league.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Without Kaitland Clark, they were like nothing special.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They were special historically. If you look at wn everything
is doing this. NBA is doing that well. Baseball postseason
was up.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I don't know if they do we care about even
if we don't care about being in an NBA regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Jake Paul Mike Tyson exploded every.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Compared to the NBA Knicks game in November.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
NBA, I'm just not hate.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
If you're being negative about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's a great league.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Would you have lunch with some hater this week? Huh?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Who are you hanging out with now? So NBA haters,
what's going on? You ditch me and now you're hanging
out with some NBA rating for.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Down say, NBA stinks.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I watch it, but I look at data points and
when I see a business doing this in the ratings
and everything else doing.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
With the TV deal went like this, I mean they
got like seventy seven billion dollars from all these networks.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Weird if Amazon. If Amazon's broken two years, you'll know why.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
No Peacock two.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Hey, they are losing money on it.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
That's why they got the NBA, because the young people
love the NBA.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wish a few more with Washington actual TV NBA game.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Well, that's the news and thanks for stopping by The
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Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's our Big ten Bets Week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Mack make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, Indiana and Ohio State. I'm taking the under fifty
one and a half total points. The more you look
at it, Ohio State missing their center. They have the
number one score defense in the country. Indiana, now their
schedule has been weak weather, it could be something, but
they have the number seven scoring defense. I think Ohio
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State wants to control the ball, keep it on the ground,
occasional pops over the top, but keep the ball away
from Indiana. I'll take the under fifty one and a
half total points.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Damn well, we're head to head. I've got the over
fifty one and a half in this one. Not a
ton of confidence. I couldn't pick a side in this game,
like thirteen is too big of a number, so I
went with the over. My logic is I saw Ohio
State give a big place to Oregon, and I do
think Indiana, which played conservatively.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Against Michigan, they can't do that again. That did not
work against Michigan.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They didn't cover.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
They almost lost the damn game. So I think we
see a lot of points here.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I'll go, you know, Ohio State thirty, Indiana twenty four
in a game where Indiana looks pretty good and gives
a lot of thought for the committee.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Hey man, maybe they deserve to be in the top
of wall.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Okay, I'm gonna take Nebraska. Wisconsin at Nebraska Huskers minus
two and a half was Conson's getting bludgeoned. They face
very good physical teams Oregon, Iowa, Penn State. They're a
bit beat up, and they're averaging twelve points a game
during the three game losing streak. Nebraska wins, they get
a bowl game. They've lost, but they've lost to Indiana
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Ohio State. UCLA's played well in USC. I think Nebraska
wins by a field goal at home and gets into
a bowl game.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
All right, I'm gonna go with a couple of dogs
here to close out.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
The Minnesota Gophers getting eleven at home against Penn State.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Everybody's talking about Penn State. I don't know what they're
good calling. I'll be honest.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I know they're solid, but I don't know if they're
like top five, top seven good in the country. And
I think Minnesota can ugly this up and keep it close.
Give me Minnesota getting eleven against the Nittney Lions.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I'm gonna take UCLA at home plus four and a
half against USC as an underdog. I think it's pretty
tasty here. USC's lost four or five games. USC doesn't
beat anybody big. Their games are all close. In UCLA
two of the last three games has held opponents down
a bad one against Washington. I think it's a low
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scoring twenty seven twenty four football game. I'm taking the
four and a half.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I like that, and I will close out with Northwestern
going back to the well. I went with them last
week they covered against Ohio State. I think they covered
ten and a half against Michigan. Obviously, we love the spot.
Michigan has the game next week against Ohio State. You know,
it's easy to overlook the Wildcats, even at home in
an arbor. I haven't checked the student schedule, but are
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the students going to be in n arbor or they.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Offer Thanksgiving break? That's something worth looking into.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
But nevertheless, Northwestern getting ten and a half in n Arbor?
All right, got to get back on my winning ways.
It's been a great season in college football.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This Saturday is going to be fun. By the way.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Jerry Jones this morning on radio in Dallas on all
the Don Sanders to the NFL chatter, I.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Think we're way ahead of ourself relative to when and
he decides to go into coaching in the NFL. And
one of his greatest skills that he really brings to
college is that he is almost has no peer as
far as being a recruiter. I mean, the kid won't
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come play for him, and he has a way of
selling that. And that is one skill, that recruiting skill
that is not a huge prerequisite for NFL coaches, and
so one of his greatest values is in that area
of putting the team together and in the sense of
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getting great talent to come and playful on there at Colorado's.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Mm as if Jerry's saying he's a college coach not
a pro coach. Now, Jerry could be doing that to
get a better deal on the Dion Sanders contract.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I don't like how he's doing this with Mike McCarthy
still employed as his head coach, Like it's just unseemly.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Come on, Jerry, we got we got a coach.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We got a head coach, Micha McCarthy's gonna get us done.
We're gonna get to the center.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
So just oh, man, I don't know how I would
operate in working in that building. Can you imagine if
you know, the guy's almost this floor here every day
we're doing radio interviews about what's going on at the network,
that it's just such an unnice.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
On our bosses did public radio interviews and talked about
our show all.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
The every day.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Look, that's what's happening.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
We don't see this in any other think of another
NFL team, that that's happening to.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I will say this, The Colorado Buffalo signed a five
star quarterback today.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
I did see that.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
And there's like a picture of Schadeur handing him the
keys as if he's like handing off, Hey, it's your
car now.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
You know, pretty pretty neat little social media think.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't Dionne and Colorado is a fun story. It's
a fun story. I mean, that's all I care about.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Jimmy go.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, we always know Alabama, Ohio State Texas is
gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I need more fun stories in college.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
He could be positive, just like lebron said, less negativity,
more positive tivity.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Colin, come on boring. I like a good tire fire
hater in the house.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
How about got you?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna go to cosm.
I'm gonna watch the Lakers at Orlando tonight.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Why don't you put some put a couple of dimes
on that game?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
How about we bet right now live TV?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Bet?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No thanks, clear of that guys, all hat.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And no cat.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That's the guy who refused to pick Bo Nicks or
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, I shall I'm gonna put that off for a year.
A year I don't. I don't think it's fair to
judge Caleb.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Boy.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
We don't even know if we'll be doing a show
together at a.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Year bro a year from now possible. I need an
answer in a week. Bonnicks are Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Let's go oh, I thought you meant for the show
a week boy.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
You gotta Jordan love Jordan lover Bonnicks.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Exhausting, I need a break or a cocktail cigar. I
got a box of those last night as a gift.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
So Jmax just brought this up.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Jmax always perceptive, He's always looking at the future, even
though he's a Jets fan. Julian, he said, he goes
Bellacheck rumors are Jacksonville. What if Bill calls you and says,
uh Edelman wide receiver coach, I'll pay a four to
fifty year no state tax, would you go?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Absolutely not. He hasn't even come on my podcast yet.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I mean, what's going on?
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Bill?
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Come on?
Speaker 6 (01:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
But on a serious note, I will never never. I
don't love coaching, and you gotta love coaching. To coach
under Bill. I mean I remember seeing coaches at eight
o'clock after two hours of treatment, after the work day,
put in more time as a player. You go out
in the players lot where we all park, and you
see the coaches meeting with their families, seeing for the
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first time in the day at eight o'clock before they
have night meetings.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Like, I'm not living that life.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And Bill does that because that's what Bill did when
he was young, That's what the coaches above him made
him do. So you know, it's a grind. You have
to learn the grind. If you're coaching with coach Belichick, now,
you can completely change. I don't want them to, you know,
say like, don't speak for him or anything, but that's
what I saw.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Like it's I've come to terms with how my daughter
and my son view the world and how I viewed it.
I would work seventy hour weeks. They're hard workers, but
my daughter's like, I'll never work in a cubicle. I'm
not doing that, and I'm like, I get it.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
The world changes definitely, and I think I think work
has changed in how people work has changed. Also where
people I think guys use their time more effectively, and
sometimes when you're in those old school systems. I remember
seeing coaches in there. I'm like, what are you guys
even doing in here? You know, you guys are coming
(02:30):
up of NASCAR names for certain plays, like that's what
they do. I mean, but like, you know, a lot
more effective and efficient working these days.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I think let's go with Drake May. Jamack liked him
more than I did out of college. He's got a
little bit of a Justin Herbert komp though not quite
as polished as Justin was with all those college starts
at Oregon. What do you hear and what do you
see and what do you like with him?
Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know what, I'm really impressed with how Drake May
has been playing these last few weeks and cantinually continually improving.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I was a little.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Skeptical at first, you know, with Drake is he too young?
Does he not have enough reps? Is he too raw?
And he's gone in there and he's made plays without
an offensive line, and I think that's been huge because
I didn't think he could do that. And the fact
that they don't have anyone on the offensive line. David
(03:25):
Andrews their number one offensive lineman. He's on ir he's
one who gets that thing going. They got a bunch
of journey guys, and that's the toughest thing for a
young quarterback to get comfortable is when there's people on
your lap. And he's been able to deliver throws with
people on his lap, and he's progressed with his pocket
presence and he's improving each week. And I love you know,
I heard Brian Horror talking about it, his attitude and
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he's out back Easton and he hears a lot more
on the camp. And he's a guy that's the runt
of four athletes, all boys. His mom's the best athlete
in the family. He said, like he's known what it's
been to get his teeth kicked in, and he's always
had to probably fight for the scraps at the dinner table,
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and that's how he plays.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
And that's what he's done each week. He gets his
teeth kicked in. Weekly.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
You know, he's getting hit a lot and and he's
still make him plays. And we're seeing a lot more
progression with Drake May than we're seeing with Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So you were in a lot of big games and
a lot of times in the media, we view it
as winner and loser, Kansas City Buffalo play. Let's start
with Kansas City. Is there any upside to losing to
a primary.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Rival, especially with the wind streak that they had going.
And it's good for the people that are new to
the team and the younger players that haven't really been
there for everything. I remember when people used to come
to New England. They thought it was all sunshine and rainbows.
We're gonna win no matter what. We got this, we
have this guy, we have that guy. But they didn't
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realize that we knew how hard it was to win
in the National Football League. I guarantee Patrick Mahomes, Chris Jones, Kelsey,
they all know how important it is, how hard it
is to win this league. A lot of these new
guys that come in here that think you can just
slop it out there on the field. This is a
recalibration for those guys like, hey, we're not invincible. You know,
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we don't play our best game. There's a lot of
good teams out here, not a lot, but there's good
teams that can beat us. So I think it's great
to recalibrate the newer guys, the younger guys to get
them back to the standard. I'm sure Patrick and all
the studs on the team hold throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
How about for Buffalo now, they it's funny, this is
not like Lamar against the Steelers. Buffalo beats Kansas cit Yeah,
just not in January.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I think it's huge for them as well, because you
still have to remind yourself that they're beatable, you know.
And this isn't the playoffs. It can go completely different
from ye're on out. Yeah, but it's still it's great for.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
The guys that.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
You know, Buffalo has been beat down a lot over
the years in important games and that could be tough,
and you can lose your confidence. And to go in
and beat a team like the Kansas City Chiefs, who
are the champs, two time defending champs, a team that
you struggle with, it doesn't matter when it is. If
you can beat them, that's gonna be a confidence booster
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for your team going forward. Saying hey, guys, this is
what we preach this whole week. We did it, we
executed it. We executed our game plan and lick what
it did. It put us in our best opportunity to
go out and beat the champs. Now, if we continue this,
if we continue this, don't we don't read the newspaper clippings,
and we continue this, that's how we're gonna have a
chance to win the Super Bowl. So I think this
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is a great learning tool for them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So I'm gonna throw something, Matty. This is a long
winded question, but old school coaches sometimes as they grow,
they still hold us onto some old school stuff. So
Belichick in COVID, he said this is stupid, and he
just kind of punted the season Harbaugh did in college
at Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
He just said, this is stupid.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Guys like Bruce arians No, I'm playing my starters in
the preseason. I'm gonna a lot of guys bail No,
I'm gonna do that, and he redill do that. So
Mike Tomlin is unbeatable as a Monday night football coach,
and he's great as a Sunday coach. He's abysmal as
a Thursday coach. And I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this
at you.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
He's old school.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's like, listen, we're built on physicality, brutality, and I
demand a lot from my guys. If you're taking away
three days arrest. I'm not changing my identity for one
Thursday game every two years. If we win, we win.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't care. I'm pontinent.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
It's useless. You don't have to go seventeen to know
in this league you can go. We go in twelve
games with the division is that they're so bad on Thursday,
they're unbeatable. So when he gives his physical identity an
extra day, rest your toast Sunday to kick your But
my theory is Tomlin's old school. He's like, I'm not
changing my protocol for some streaming game. Yeah, how are
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they that bad on Thursday?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Old schools not that old school is will go anywhere,
any place, anytime, and we'll play your team. I guarantee
that's probably what he preaches. But I think this all
stems to they have it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
They've never been a fundamentally sound offense of team uh
with Tomlin there, I mean they got the back end
of Big Ben when you know, the offense was still
unshaking and they had pick it and then they had this.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's a lot of big plays, a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Big plays, but not like an execution style offense. They've
never been.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
That, okay, So when we would approach.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
A Thursday night game, we would always lean on the
plays that we executed the best, no matter what could
have been the most.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
Vanilla thing ever.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
We were gonna simplify the game plan because there's no
practice reps, but you're gonna do plays that your guys like,
understand the best and execute the best. And that's what
we would do on our Thursday night games. I mean,
I think we I don't think I lost a Thursday
night game because we were so fundamentally sound as an offense,
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and we were a smart football team that understood what
we had to do to win this short week in
this game and get out healthy.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Did you like them Thursday games?
Speaker 4 (09:27):
You know, it's a lot. It's a it's a love
hate thing. It's very tough when you get older to
to to recover and get out there and play at
your highest level. But then you do get the baby
bye week at the end, so it is nice to
have that, but uh, you know, everyone deals with it,
so you have to do it. But I would say,
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you know, that goes back to the Steelers. They've never
been like a high execution offense. You look at a
lot of these teams when they go and play this
Thursday night game, they're just put. They're calling plays that
they know they can execute. There's no new wrinkle. Let's
just I remember we would run has Zi juke, which
was empty because that was our fundamental play that we
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It was the first install of empty that we ever played,
and we knew how to get open on every single
coverage with that play, like against the Jets, and they
were always sloppy games, but you did what you had
to do to have more points at the end of
the game than the other team. And that's what you
were most comfortable with executing.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
If you wont a Thursday game. Would Belichick ever go
extra day off?
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Well, by the end the CBA, you know that you
had to have a certain amount of days off in
a row. But yeah, you know, we always I don't.
I don't think I ever lost one. So wow, in seventeen,
I think they may have lost I was, I was
on ACL, but we always had him early in our year.
(10:51):
I feel like we played the Jets slot we played
Pittsburgh a couple times, so we're for that reason. And
it's like Pittsburgh doesn't play no slop in the park.
When they're playing Thursday night, they're playing a division rival,
which those are tough, you know, so you know, yeah,
just gotta go with what you're comfortable with and you
execute the best.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
By the way, it's week twelve and I remember Trent
Dilfer saying, dude, I'm a quarterback and by week four
everything hurts.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Take me to week twelve.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Julian Edelman, Okay you are you are playing in a
Thursday night off a Sunday game. Yeah, do you wake
up this morning sore?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
What age?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Okay? Okay, twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Twenty nine, thirty, You're achy, You're definitely achy. You wake
up today a little achy, But.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I viewprofun what do you know?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
You do a lot of active recovery week all week.
So the job of your yours is an athlete on
a Thursday night game is like NASCAR. You got to
do everything to do you gotta do to get your
car running best that week. So you know, you're you're
in putting more time with treatment, more physical therapy, more,
you're prehab more of your conditioning. You're doing all those
(12:05):
things because you're not going to have physical reps of
practice to get yourself ready. So yeah, it was it
was definitely you know, you were definitely sore.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But this is the time.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Week twelve is the year, the time of the year
where you would get banged up without a doubt six
to eight week six to eight. If you got out
cleaned the first four or five, there's always like a
low period where the excitement of the new year's kind
of gone and the grind of the real season is
starting to hit you, and you're getting tired and you're sore,
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and it's the clocks change and it's darker and you're
at work, you don't see light.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
So it does get like to a grind period.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
But then this week twelve starting soon, this is like
the pastorization period of when you milk a cow when
you're trying to get the cream cream seasons after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That sounds like a Belichick story, that's my story.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
I always called it that baby.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
But this is the time of year where you're going
to start to see guys separate, and when you play
in the division and guys are starting to know what
their team is and everything's about putting the tools on
the belt for the dance. The playoffs, and this is
when yeah, you were bumped up and you were sore,
but there was light at the end of the tunnel,
and that light was the playoffs. That light was the
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seeding That light was you know how the health of
the team is. We're getting healthy. That's what the light is.
At the end of the year and you start seeing
that week twelve, week thirteen, week fourteen, you're in it
and this is what we are and now we better
not lose a game because we want to play our
best football at the end of the year.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It was good.
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Speaker 3 (13:49):
The pasturization of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Well, that's part of the time when the creams rising
the top.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Absolutely, I got it.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's not cream season yet. It's not cream season for
all you the mill kids out there. Let's get in
the comment section and let's see what we uh are
we doing this wrong? I want to know the explanation
and the analogy.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Somebody go to a dairy reddit board and get me
something on this, because I thought that was one of
the smartest things ever dropped off.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
After well cream seasons, after Thanksgiving, that's the cream rises
to the top.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Baby, it's the pumpkin spice at the Starbucks thing. Okay,
games with names. Who's your latest?
Speaker 4 (14:24):
We just we just did Jim Craig from nineteen eighties
Olympics goalie miracle on ice. We did Danny DeVito. We
got Dudes on Dudes with Gronk every Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
That's fun. We're starting to get that going.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's it's been fun, except we you know, freaking I'd
go coach for Bill if he came on my damn podcast?
Would it for one year? No? No, he can't pay
me enough. They have to be seven figures at least,
come on for coach. Geez lived that life twelve years.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, twelve years as a player.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Coaches get it even worse.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You've got a social life now and young daughter. Yes,
he's got a.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Life trying to I'm saying yes to things I didn't
know I could say yes to.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Not a custom.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Since eighth grade, you just said no the whole time.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Anytime it was September to you know, December, February. Yeah,
I mean, since you're a kid, you have football season.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yes is a great word. It is margarita tonight. Yeah,
a great word in moderation.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Yes is a great word.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Great to anybody.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Great to see you, guys, j.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
MA, No, no, the news.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
This is the herd Line news.
Speaker 7 (15:34):
Right.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
Let's get started with the Chicago Bears. Colin, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
They lost their fourth straight on Sunday, but the offense
did show signs of life in Oramosie Thomas Brown brought
a more balanced approach. Caleb Williams led two touchdown drive
of eleven plus plays. Pretty impressive. Caleb encouraged how things
went last week.
Speaker 9 (15:53):
I think it started in practice with the reps. I
think it started with him stringing things together and doing
a good out with that and and getting everybody into
a rhythm and not you know, necessarily uh, thinking of
what's next or anything like that. We kind of had
an idea of what's next, and you know, from there,
you just you go out there, you play, and you
play a fishing football and it gives you the best
(16:15):
chance to win. All of these small things, details of routes,
details of you know, the blocking, details of the the
path of running backs and how we're gonna do things.
I think. I think that led into all of what
happened last week.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think it's fun. I think he's getting there. I
think slowly, but sure. I mean Greg co Sell said
an hour ago, this kid is really really a power thrower.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
I mean Greg co Sell could have easily said it
doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
He's telling you when you watch him last week and
he's moving around. He's got a Herbert power on like
some guys are for National, they have touched. This kid
can crank it.
Speaker 8 (16:57):
That's why I'm surprised you didn't go Caleb over.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I know you punted ye, But.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right now the one that really worries me is Jordan Love.
So I can't wait to watch this weekend. I think
he's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
He is.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
He is not an anticipatory thrower. When you watch him,
see it throw it, that can lead to interceptions because
that half tick is a pick. So I like him,
but I think he has to develop more into an
anticipatory thrower. That was Aaron in his prime, that was Brady,
That's Maholmes. Is a great anticipatory thing.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
What do you anticipate for Caleb against his Brian Floores
blitz happy defense this weekend in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Is his place in five material or no, it's under consideration.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
By the way, Edelman was nine to oh on Thursday
Night football not bad.
Speaker 8 (17:50):
Next story is, oh gosh, Pittburg Steelers. Do we have
to keep talking about them? Colin goodness?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
They got a big game tonight? Obviously, But Justin Fields,
did you notice this? He played three steps last week?
He gressed for seventeen yards. With Russell Wilson's success, Fields
most likely will not get a lot of snaps under center.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
But Smith, Arthur Smith. That is dispelled the idea that
he's a gadget guy. Add he still views Fields as
a premium starter in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Justin Fields was four and two with Pittsburgh a better.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
Storyline for tonight.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
He's a premier athlete. I don't think he's a premier quarterback.
He's a premier athlete who can be a spot starter.
I think he's a I think that I don't think
I would build around him.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Well, here's a question.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
He's early in his career, right Well, Baker Mayfield took
a few years to become a stishan.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Baker took very quickly in a tough division, got the
Browns to a playoff and a win. Baker's gotten two teams,
two conferences to playoffs, so that's different. I mean, I
you say he's still a kid. If you get four
years to run a franchise, you're out of the kids.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Four years that Peve Richardson's still a kid.
Speaker 8 (18:59):
Four years of coaching.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Well at four years good bad? Was Baker getting great
coaching with Freddie Kitchens.
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Uh no, I'm gonna go ahead and guess no me
O'Dell Beckham and Jarvis Landry and stacked team. But you know,
so tonight the best story would be the Browns win outright,
justin fields maybe plays a few steps, but Russell Wilson
struggles in the weather, the lake effect wins, and now
we have maybe a quarterback controversy. You would agree that's no.
Is there no chance at the controversy. We don't have
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a quarterback contract yet, but we need to stealers lost.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
To get the Pittsbury hasn't lost the games. That's there's
no controversy, not yet. Russell is QB one for the
rest of the season. It's not even a controversy. There's dude,
they put him in last week and he slid too.
Early on the one thing they wanted him to do.
Russell's fourth quarter passer rating has been money.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 8 (19:49):
Cote Brown's as cool.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
We'll wrap up in the NBA where my Knicks, led
by Jalen Brunson and Kat went off in the desert
against the Suns. Kat and Brunson combined for seventy New
York's won four straight, all five starters in double figures.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
Keep an eye on the next colin.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Now, I should add Kevin Durant did not play, Bradley
Beal did not play, sure, and.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
The Suns don't play any defense.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
But listen the Knicks. So they played eight guys really
in the first half. Five of them were new to
the team, right, the top three guys off the bench.
It's gonna take some time, but once this team starts cooking,
look out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Has there been an NBA game in the regular season
last ten years where every starter played? I'm seriously, you
just said, well, this guy didn't play and that guy
didn't play.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
It.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Maybe that's the problem. That's why they're they're ratings seven
years in South Oh yeah, who cares?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Do you care? Yeah? Why it just matters?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, Yeah, apparently the fans don't care. They're not watching.
Everything is on fire. WNBA ratings up, baseball ratings to
the route, NFL UP college Football up Formula one up.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
I mean, if you really want to do this, Kaitlin
Clark ratings up rest in the league.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Without Kaitland Clark, they were like nothing special.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
They were special historically. If you look at wn everything
is doing this. NBA is doing that well. Baseball postseason
was up.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I don't know if they do we care about even
if we don't care about being in an NBA regular season.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Jake Paul Mike Tyson exploded every.
Speaker 8 (21:26):
Compared to the NBA Knicks game in November.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
NBA, I'm just not hate.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
If you're being negative about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
It's a great league.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Would you have lunch with some hater this week? Huh?
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Who are you hanging out with now? So NBA haters,
what's going on? You ditch me and now you're hanging
out with some NBA rating for.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Down say, NBA stinks.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I watch it, but I look at data points and
when I see a business doing this in the ratings
and everything else doing.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
With the TV deal went like this, I mean they
got like seventy seven billion dollars from all these networks.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Weird if Amazon. If Amazon's broken two years, you'll know why.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
No Peacock two.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Hey, they are losing money on it.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
That's why they got the NBA, because the young people
love the NBA.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Wish a few more with Washington actual TV NBA game.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
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Speaker 1 (22:31):
It's our Big ten Bets Week thirteen.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's time for big bets. Colin and j Mack make
their favorite big ten bets of the week.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Okay, Indiana and Ohio State. I'm taking the under fifty
one and a half total points. The more you look
at it, Ohio State missing their center. They have the
number one score defense in the country. Indiana, now their
schedule has been weak weather, it could be something, but
they have the number seven scoring defense. I think Ohio
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State wants to control the ball, keep it on the ground,
occasional pops over the top, but keep the ball away
from Indiana. I'll take the under fifty one and a
half total points.
Speaker 7 (23:21):
Damn well, we're head to head. I've got the over
fifty one and a half in this one. Not a
ton of confidence. I couldn't pick a side in this game,
like thirteen is too big of a number, so I
went with the over. My logic is I saw Ohio
State give a big place to Oregon, and I do
think Indiana, which played conservatively.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Against Michigan, they can't do that again. That did not
work against Michigan.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
They didn't cover.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
They almost lost the damn game. So I think we
see a lot of points here.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
I'll go, you know, Ohio State thirty, Indiana twenty four
in a game where Indiana looks pretty good and gives
a lot of thought for the committee.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Hey man, maybe they deserve to be in the top
of wall.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Okay, I'm gonna take Nebraska. Wisconsin at Nebraska Huskers minus
two and a half was Conson's getting bludgeoned. They face
very good physical teams Oregon, Iowa, Penn State. They're a
bit beat up, and they're averaging twelve points a game
during the three game losing streak. Nebraska wins, they get
a bowl game. They've lost, but they've lost to Indiana
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Ohio State. UCLA's played well in USC. I think Nebraska
wins by a field goal at home and gets into
a bowl game.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
All right, I'm gonna go with a couple of dogs
here to close out.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
The Minnesota Gophers getting eleven at home against Penn State.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Everybody's talking about Penn State. I don't know what they're
good calling. I'll be honest.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I know they're solid, but I don't know if they're
like top five, top seven good in the country. And
I think Minnesota can ugly this up and keep it close.
Give me Minnesota getting eleven against the Nittney Lions.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I'm gonna take UCLA at home plus four and a
half against USC as an underdog. I think it's pretty
tasty here. USC's lost four or five games. USC doesn't
beat anybody big. Their games are all close. In UCLA
two of the last three games has held opponents down
a bad one against Washington. I think it's a low
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scoring twenty seven twenty four football game. I'm taking the
four and a half.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
I like that, and I will close out with Northwestern
going back to the well. I went with them last
week they covered against Ohio State. I think they covered
ten and a half against Michigan. Obviously, we love the spot.
Michigan has the game next week against Ohio State. You know,
it's easy to overlook the Wildcats, even at home in
an arbor. I haven't checked the student schedule, but are
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the students going to be in n arbor or they.
Speaker 8 (25:30):
Offer Thanksgiving break? That's something worth looking into.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
But nevertheless, Northwestern getting ten and a half in n Arbor?
All right, got to get back on my winning ways.
It's been a great season in college football.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This Saturday is going to be fun. By the way.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Jerry Jones this morning on radio in Dallas on all
the Don Sanders to the NFL chatter, I.
Speaker 6 (25:53):
Think we're way ahead of ourself relative to when and
he decides to go into coaching in the NFL. And
one of his greatest skills that he really brings to
college is that he is almost has no peer as
far as being a recruiter. I mean, the kid won't
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come play for him, and he has a way of
selling that. And that is one skill, that recruiting skill
that is not a huge prerequisite for NFL coaches, and
so one of his greatest values is in that area
of putting the team together and in the sense of
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getting great talent to come and playful on there at Colorado's.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Mm as if Jerry's saying he's a college coach not
a pro coach. Now, Jerry could be doing that to
get a better deal on the Dion Sanders contract.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
What do you make of it?
Speaker 7 (26:53):
I don't like how he's doing this with Mike McCarthy
still employed as his head coach, Like it's just unseemly.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
Come on, Jerry, we got we got a coach.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 8 (27:03):
We got a head coach, Micha McCarthy's gonna get us done.
We're gonna get to the center.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
So just oh, man, I don't know how I would
operate in working in that building. Can you imagine if
you know, the guy's almost this floor here every day
we're doing radio interviews about what's going on at the network,
that it's just such an unnice.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
On our bosses did public radio interviews and talked about
our show all.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
The every day.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Look, that's what's happening.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
We don't see this in any other think of another
NFL team, that that's happening to.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
I will say this, The Colorado Buffalo signed a five
star quarterback today.
Speaker 8 (27:33):
I did see that.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
And there's like a picture of Schadeur handing him the
keys as if he's like handing off, Hey, it's your
car now.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
You know, pretty pretty neat little social media think.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I don't Dionne and Colorado is a fun story. It's
a fun story. I mean, that's all I care about.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Jimmy go.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, we always know Alabama, Ohio State Texas is
gonna be good.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I need more fun stories in college.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
He could be positive, just like lebron said, less negativity,
more positive tivity.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Colin, come on boring. I like a good tire fire
hater in the house.
Speaker 8 (28:05):
How about got you?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna go to cosm.
I'm gonna watch the Lakers at Orlando tonight.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Why don't you put some put a couple of dimes
on that game?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
How about we bet right now live TV?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
Bet?
Speaker 3 (28:16):
No thanks, clear of that guys, all hat.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
And no cat.
Speaker 7 (28:21):
That's the guy who refused to pick Bo Nicks or
Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, I shall I'm gonna put that off for a year.
A year I don't. I don't think it's fair to
judge Caleb.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
Boy.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
We don't even know if we'll be doing a show
together at a.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
Year bro a year from now possible. I need an
answer in a week. Bonnicks are Caleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Let's go oh, I thought you meant for the show
a week boy.
Speaker 8 (28:42):
You gotta Jordan love Jordan lover Bonnicks.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Come on.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Exhausting, I need a break or a cocktail cigar. I
got a box of those last night as a gift.
When you're nice to people, that's what happens
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