June 26, 2025 • 32 mins
Philadelphia Eagles RT Lane Johnson talks to Colin about trying to repeat as champions, the first time playing with Saquon Barkley, Nick Sirianni, and more
He also talks to college basketball analyst Aaron Torres about the landing spots for each of the top prospects from the draft
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, he'll be a Hall
of Famer. He's a five time All Pro, two time
Super Bowl champ. That's right tackle in football, Lane Johnson
entering his thirteenth NFL season. I had him retired a
couple of couple of years ago, and his agent called
me and said, now, he's the best tackle in football
on the right side. You get out of here all
right before I get to your mastermind camp, which I love.
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By the way, it's going to be a cosm in Dallas,
which the Cosm in LA is unbelievable. It's an incredible facility.
I want to talk about this. So, you're a super
Bowl champ. The last time you were a Super Bowl champ,
you were on the twenty seventeen team that came back
and did not win. Can you take anything from your
your your year after Super Bowl was there anything in
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twenty seventeen that caught you off guard? I mean, let's
face it, when you're a Super Bowl team, you play
more intense games.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Were you beat up, were you fatigue?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Go back to that year, Lane, what did you learn
from that year after Super Bowl where you didn't win.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, it's just it's a tough scenario to get over mentally.
But I think that each team you face really feels like,
you know, it's their chance to through something, and so mentally,
you're going to be receiving everybody's best, you.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Know, week in and week out.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So you know, coming into the season, that's what I'm
really looking for, you know, just you're gonna get everybody's best.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Shot the How much of an off season do you
give yourself after the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm always doing something
training wise, so I maybe scale it down and be
as far as weights for like a month, more mobility stuff,
and then I kind of progressed my way through it,
you know, leading into the season.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So I mean it's a long season. You don't want
to peak too soon.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So a lot of it's you know, calculated to where
you're peaking at the right times.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
In January February.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
When you guys acquire Saquon Barkley, how many practices or
games Lane did it take for you to go, oh, yeah,
that's I've not seen that behind me before.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How long did it take?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Took me about three plays in team period at the
last training camp, So you know, I got to I
got to watch him a lot, you know, from the
other side of the field. I knew what type of
player he was, but really, you know, he he's just
he has a gravitating type of personality. He's really a
team first guy. He practices hard, he does everything the
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right way and leads the right way. And you know,
I was just, you know, it was a few minutes
into the Patners game and Zil, you know, when he
caught that swinger out out there in the corner Enzo,
and I was like, Okay, it's gonna be a fun year.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah it was. So I've been critical to Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I finally last year but grudgingly said, yeah, I don't
get it. I sometimes you a little crazy for me,
but it works. Tell me, he's still young. What's the secret, sauce,
What does Nick do that really works for you? As
an elite pro Bowl level player.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think the way how he just he's a very
good communicator. So it's something you know is an addressed
you know he will address it anything in the media.
You know, we all talk about it. So I feel
like nothing's off limits. I really love how he grades
practices and games. You know, everybody on every play. If
you do wrong, your number is up on the board.
If you're a coach, you make a bad call, your
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name's on there. So I feel like accountabilities is really
big in our building, and it doesn't matter who you
are or what you do. Everybody's kind of held to
a similar But I think with Says Kosher, part is
just he's a very good communicator. He loves to get
everybody's I guess approach to the game and see what
wires him. And so I feel like he knows how
to motivate guys in his own way.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The you know, I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
If I could pick a quarterback in the league that
I think at the podium is the best because I
think that matters. I think how you get along with teammates.
Philadelphia has got a very loud, aggressive media. I do
not need a quarterback starting fires I need a quarterback
putting out fires, and I think Jalen's the best. He's
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in Tom Brady's class. He's the best I've ever seen.
There's something about his maturity and maybe just its parents
or something. You've been around so many players. What is
he like when I don't see him? What is Jalen?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Hurts like.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Pretty quiet guy and he loves to listen to old
soul music. So I'm talking about stuff in the sixties seventies,
so you know a lot of stuff. Even pregame is
really you know, he's an old soul and so yeah,
I feel like he is wise beyond his years, and
I think his temperament, you know, how he presents himself
every day, that calm cole nation. I feel like it's
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it's very good for our team because, like you said,
we are in a big time city that can get
a little bit at rambunctious in time. So I think
having that day in day out is your leader. I
think it sets the president for us, you know, to
be calm and just focused on what's ahead of you,
and so you know that goes for everybody in the building.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Really, Okay, July twenty second, so you're about a month
out and the season's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Now seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It is and again, Philadelphia football is different than Jacksonville.
It is intense, every talk show, every practice. How do
you get right? How do you go into it and
be like, Okay, it's a journey. It's not just the desk,
it's a journey. Go to your young self and go
to Lane Johnson today, how do you approach a season?
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Lane now opposed to maybe seven eight years ago.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I feel like I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, as I've gotten older, I feel like I've
become a better pro younger. I was just you know,
I wasn't really listening a whole lot. So you know,
for me, I think it's about knowing your body, training hard,
practicing hard, and really, I mean, you got to take
it one practice at a time, one meeting at a
time and really try to, you know, have that become
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who you are and so where you get out on
the field, you're not thinking a whole lot. And if
you know, I think for all of us players, we
want to channel all the Philadelphia pride and everything they
have and how they care about football into how we play.
So it's a lot easier said and done. But I mean,
I feel like there is there isn't a greater city.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
As far as motivation is concerned. In Philadelphia. They really
get you wired in in the right way and the
best way.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The fans are incredible, by the way. July tenth and eleventh,
for camp, you're at the Cosm in Dallas, which is
an I haven't been to the one in the Dallas.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The one in la is epic. It's just so good.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And you're gonna bring Hall of famers in top rookies
like Tristan Wurs and Deon Dawkins. You're having it called
the Mastermind Summit. It's the best offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Do you do you ever steal.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Anything from one of the offensive line? I mean, do
you ever borrow stuff on tape? Do you ever call
another offense?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You do give me something? I mean you do that?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah. I'll call Jason Peters a lot during the season
or taste team.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I'll text Joe Thomas. I'm trying to learn everything I can.
I think the reason why my ergency wasn't starting this
is that whenever I came into the league, I was
new to.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Play an on line. I didn't really know a whole
lot about it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I was trying to figure out who's who's done
what and learn as much as I can, and so
giving everybody in this room over the past seven years
has been just really cool. And I think the time
he's right before camp, and so you just get to
listen to people that have really dominated the game of
football in all aspects, and they tell you how they
went about their day to day life as a pro
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football player, stuff off the field, and I think for
you know, young players, old players such as myself, guys
that are in college, it's just a great two days
to just soak in as much knowledge as you can
and so you know, hopefully you can implement whatever you've learned.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
From some different guys into your play style.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Entering year thirteen, when Lane Johnson gets up in the morning,
how do you feel to after thirteen years in the
trenches in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I feel good in most days.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
There are some days that you know can get long,
but no, I feel I mean, I was explaining I had,
you know, my twenty nine and thirties whenever I had
my ankle surgery and injuries, and I felt like that
really hampered me in twenty twenty one, and so I
feel like now my mobility is like fully back, and
so I'm able to do things that I was able
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to do early in my career. And so yeah, I
feel like I feel really good. You know, I never
expected but I would say that in this age. But
I mean that's that's the truth. I feel a whole
lot better than I did when I was thirty going
through the surgeries and and really, you know, just a
dark period in my career.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So but yeah, it is challenging. I'm not going to
say it's easy.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But you know, we have a lot of a lot
of great guys around me, a lot of sport, so
I mean it's it's all for them.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
By the way, we got a picture of you apparently
holding up a massive fish.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Is this an Olklahoma? Holy? Is that Oldklahoma? Where is that?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That is in Grand Lake of the Cherokees. It is
up by Tulsa. So yes, that is what you call paddlefish.
So it's a it's a type of like sturgeon. They
feed off of plankton, harmless, will not hurt you, but
they are huge.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So yeah, it was definitely a fun trip.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I hope you didn't. I hope you had other
than like ten pound test line there. How much that
thing weigh.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That one weighed around eighty so I think we had
sixty sixty pound braided Brady lawn. So yeah, it was.
It was a big boy. It took me had went
back up a little.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Bit after that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, j Mac gotta pulled you in the water right there,
Lane Johnson. Thank god, Lane Johnson was on the boat
and pulled that thing. Hey man, that's great, Seni, you
look great. Congratulations again you're just collecting rings and a
great Senia.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Appreciate you for having me and talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Lane Johnson gonna be a Hall of Famer, one of
the all time greats. He's got that move now. Everybody's kind.
Everybody's ay, he is cheating. Ain't moving it right foot early.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's funny. Everybody's copying him.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You ever noticed that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That guy is cheating? Everybody does it? Okay? Yeah, that's
when you're a Hall of Famer.
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Speaker 2 (11:15):
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Speaker 7 (11:26):
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Speaker 2 (11:29):
J Maak with the news.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Turns this is the herd Line News Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Dude, when's the last time Philadelphia think about this? Did
not have a great old line. They're not all about
an eleven year heater at field like.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, it's because they're reeling in big fish like that.
All the guys are strong. The thing was massive. Anyways,
let's get started with CJ. Stroud and the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, Strada had a great rookie season.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I'm surprised you didn't put them on your untradable list,
but he did take a step back live year, although
the Texas made the playoffs. Well, at this thing called
Fanatics Fest, Peyton Manning spoke highly of Stroud and defended
him from the quote unquote down year.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
He went to the playoffs in his second years. It
was twenty two. Let's be careful saying it was a
down year. Okay. I didn't win a playoff game till
my sixth year, right, and so he's two for two.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I love that Peyton Manning did not win a playoff
game until a sixth year. So for all of Lamar
Jackson critics, yeah, when you got big Ben and Brady,
it's hard to win playoff games. The Herbert bashers, the
take a deep breath, Lamar bashers, Herbert bashers. Peyton Manning
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not as good at quarterback as though the sport has had.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Year six.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I remember the Jets smashed them in one playoff game,
was like four.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I remember that too, zero forty one ten something.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, but context as usual as needed.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
He had like no good defenses early.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Remember they had the awesome offense, but the defense couldn't
stop a nose lead. Anyways, you know, I don't know
what to make a Stroud. I don't think he's top five.
I would take Jalen Hurts over.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Him in a Hark.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, but remember tuns a lot a terrible year and
Diggs got hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think Tank Dell got hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
They lost three three of their top four receivers, and
their left tackle stunk. So I'm gonna give him a
pass on that. I think all I know, And I've
said this before when I watched C. J. Stroud play
and Joe Burrell has this quality, easy accuracy, moving left,
moving right, Jayden Daniels has this.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Burrow's really got it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, look at that pass right there. He's got
a guy in his kitchen. He's throwing off one foot.
He puts it in the bread box in the back
of the end zone. When you're that accurate, you will
win games in this league. I that that is. That's
what separates for Burrow. It's more accurate than Mahomes, and
Mahomes is all taught.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yea. I need to squint to see if that was
against the Titans or the Colts, all these people who
bashed Lebron.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh he played in a weak East.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Stroud has been in the worst division in football for TA.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Made the playoffs and games he should and gave the
Chief trouble that came in Arrow was good.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Listen, I'm not out on Stroud. I just Jalen Hurts
is better.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People. I'm sorry. I know Cowhard loves Stroud. Jalen Hurts,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Come on next up to the NBA. Hey, let's go
back to the Celtics. Big Celtics day. You see Jalen
Brown getting the pill for there. His name is strangely
being floated in trade scenarios.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Remember I brought him up months ago.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hey, what about him for Gianni's But that was before
the Tatum injury. Well, Shams is indicating Jalen Brown could
be the next big Domino to fall. Significant interest in
him around the league. Now, a team like the Brooklyn Nets,
they no star is gonna go there willing, so they
would gladly trade for Jalen Brown, Who's gonna be making
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like seventy million dollars a year in a few years.
But the problem is what can you get in return
next year? Jalen Brown's clocking forty nine MILS, sixth highest
paid player in the league, Colin, is he a top
ten player in the league. No, Now, with all the injuries,
you know, Halliburton's gone, Tatum's gone, maybe he cracks the
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top ten, but he's a little bit ricey still. But
if I'm a team like Brooklyn, I can't get somebody.
The team that I would keep an eye on right
now is the Miami Heat. I don't know if they
can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think Miami and Jalen brownless and they they wanted
Katie and couldn't get him Miami. Pat Riley's getting older,
is he's not gonna sit around for a five year rebuild. Yeah,
Spolstra has got trophies. I mean, I think Miami's the
play for Jalen Brown, and it's everything pat Riley likes.
Practice is hard, plays.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hard, defends smart, like he said.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Everything you know, he's got that d Wade quality, play hard,
get on the floor. I mean, Janel Brown feels like
a Miami Heat player.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So Brown and bam Adebayo, that's formidable in the East.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh, next year, I would solutely.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I don't know if you put them one, but they're
right there with Orlando, Cleveland, New York. Yeah, like that
would be So everybody listening keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Jaln Brown. The Heat final story Colin k d.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Everybody's favorite Houston Rocket not officially a member of the
Rockets yet, although it's expected to go through when it
becomes official July sixth. However, there is hype around the addition.
Rudy tom Janovich, the former Rockets coach, broke down the addition.
Speaker 11 (16:39):
One of the greatest players of all time coming in.
I think it's going to be great chemistry, you know,
the balance. You know, when we talk about the Rockets
in the past couple of years young, we're young, and
I think this mix is gonna be perfect. You know,
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he's a he's a veteran, he's still hungry, still a
great player, and I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody's opinion on that is
pretty centered on this is an elite team in the West,
and I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Now, there's an interesting stat our guys, dug up here.
Did you realize Kevin Durant is the only player in
NBA history to average over twenty five points.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
A game on four teams.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, that's kind.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Of crazy when you think about it, that Kevin Durant,
a top fifteen player all time, is about to be
on his fifth NBA team. Like, let that sink it
a lot of the Pillars, the greats, Magic, Larry Michael, Jordan,
Jordan played on two A lot of them were on
one team, KD five different teams.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Once he joins the Rocket.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well, we as sports fans, we like the Jeter route
more than the Lebron and kill.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Not all of us.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, I mean, I just I think there's a lot
of fans that like what Jeter did a Kobe that
fans like you to Steph Curry that it's easier to follow.
We don't want our guys bouncing around. I don't hold
that against him. I think he grew up in the
mobility era. I hated him leaving Golden State. But I
would say I've said this before and I'll say it again.
The NBA had an all time one on one tournament.
(18:19):
Don't put centers in. That's unfair. Yeah, you can be
a forward or down. I would take Durant over everybody,
including Lebron and Jordan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jordan couldn't stop him. He's too tall.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
He would get no he would get easier shots than
Michael Michael. Michael would score on him, but he's got
four inches. You're not going to stop him. He's a
better shooter than Michael. He can handle the ball. Michael's
the best. I mean again, maybe I'm crazy. I think
Kevin Durant is virtually I always said Dirt Novitzky's great.
Kevin Durant is like Dirk Novitzky plus.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So that's an interesting take.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So in prime, Kevin Durant in a one on one
could beat any player in NBA history that's not a center.
And I I don't know if I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Lebron's outside jumper in a one on one game, he'd
have to bully at a score. And again, Durant's longer
could give him problems down low. Lebron's Michael Jordan's mid
range okay, but Kevin has got so much reach on him,
he'd have an advantage. What about Curry, No, he's depending
on an outside shot. He's not going to be able
to you can bully him. I know it's my I
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know it's my craziest take. And I think MJ would
finish second. MJ would finish second all time. All the
players ever would be Michael and Durant would work their
way to the final, and I think Durant would beat him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's a hot take.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I'm a little stunned. I'm a little shaken right now.
Just rather I'm like, wow, that's not terrible. And I
can't think of someone like Larry Bird, Anthony Edwards, Penny Hardaway,
like Grant Hill.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Grant Hill's tough.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I don't know if he had the jumper KD does.
That's a good take, Calard Rare, job, rare, Good job
by you there, Tim.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Deep dive on the Draft.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Four or five guys you may not have watched Aaron
Torres did next.
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right, a guy that watches as much college basketball
as anybody I know in Jmack. Jmack is the college
basketball officionado on the show. And Aaron Torres Fox Sports Radio,
he has the Aeron Torres Sports Podcast.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Is joining us.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'll start with it. You'm gona ask you abou four
or five guys?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Sure, so, Ace Bailey and I said this, if you
go look at top picks that don't make NBA is
a good job of identifying. I mean with sometimes just
eighteen nineteen year old kids in the NFL, it's easier
I get four or five years of tape. You're a
more mature player. You're getting eighteen year olds from Yugoslavia.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, you really don't are the former you know, Yugoslava,
So you just don't know. And so my take is
when I watch Ace Bailey, I'm like, Okay, you're great,
but Rutgers couldn't make the tournament. You wouldn't work out
for anybody. I mean, like not a lot of self awareness.
Last night you watched him, you know him? Are there
(21:33):
red flags? What do you make of him as a
player and as a prospect?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, first of all, I appreciate you having me. I
don't know if this is the last show you're doing
before you ship out to Portland or whatever, but I
hope you had a good night last.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Night at your draft party there Colin.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
So Ace Bailey, listen, the whole situation is weird. I'll
be totally honest. You know, I didn't love the whole
I'm only going to work out for certain things now.
I think I understand the of he's a high volume guy,
you don't want to go to the wrong team, sit
on the bench, not set yourself up to get the
second contract.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
But I also think that like, once that.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Happens, I don't blame the Jazz for drafting a guy
totally based on upside that if it hits like it
isn't an insane possibility, like it isn't a completely unrealistic
possibility that he ends up the best player in the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And so you know, the Jazz are one of these teams.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I don't think the rebuild has been quite as long
as we think it is, but it feels like it's
been like four or five years. They've been waiting to
get in position to get that guy.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
And if you have the.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Opportunity to get the potentially first second best player in
this draft at number six where they were drafting, you
just have to take advantage. So I didn't love Ace
Bailey's approach to this. I would have personally advised him
to handle it differently. But once he's there and you're
the Utah Jazz and you just cannot get into that
top spot or two, I don't blame them for taking
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the upside pick.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Okay, his teammate Dylan Harper, and Carter Bryant to the Spurs,
I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know, but it
does feel like they're going to be part of their
core four, with Wemby being obviously the centerpiece. Give me
a little on Dylan Harper and a little on Carter Bryant.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Well, I love the draft, and you know I put
out a tweet at some point last night that this
feels like if it hits where OKC was four years ago,
is you've got all these picks.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And again, I also give the Spurs credit.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
They might not be drafting frankly in the lottery for
literally like a decade. If this goes well, they won't
be drafting this high for a long time. So don't
get cute, don't take just take the best player available
and hope that he absolutely hits in Dylan Harper, and
I think there's an argument that he was the best player. Again,
you could argue somebody else, Ace Bailey, whatever, the guy
that I am excited about Colin, and I'm so fired
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up that you feel the same way. Carter Bryan to me,
if Carter Bryant hits I think he's going to be
a true star. And I know everybody wants to look
at the stats at Arizona. I'll give a little background.
You know, I love Tommy Lloyd. I love this staff.
I hope this doesn't come off as a criticism, but
they are a program.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Tommy Lloyd's a Mark Fu guy. Mark Feu relies on
his veterans, trust his veterans. Tommy Lloyd comes from that tree.
And I think Tommy Lloyd, I think, planned on easing
Carter Brian in and all of a sudden it's like,
oh my god, this guy's way better than we realized.
And now all of a sudden, you're kind of, you know,
stuck in this spot of he's playing better than you,
anticipating the point I'm trying to make, don't look at
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the stats. The analogy that I have made on Carter
Brian I truly believe I've said this a million times
for people who have listened to me.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
I was at Yukon at the same time as Rudy Gay.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Carter Bryant reminds me so much of Rudy Gay at
the same age. And I know some people say, oh,
Rudy Gay, what is that Rudy Gay played in the
NBA for eighteen years. Rudy Gay retired last year at
thirty eight years old.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Like, don't let Lebron fool you.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
If you are playing until you're thirty eight years old,
it means you had a very good NBA career. And
I think if it hits Carter Brian as one of
the two three four best players in this draft. So
I love the Dylan Harper pick, but I really love
the Carter Brian pick as well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, I've been saying for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
When you turned Arizona on certain college players, you're like, oh, okay, wow,
who's that guy? The other kid, the Baylor kid VJ Edgecombe. Okay,
we all watched Baylor top program. That kid now stylistically
he's not Westbrook but burst Speed jet fuel while he
jumped off the TV when I watched him.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Your thoughts one thousand percent. First of all, I'll say
this about Carter going back to Carter Bryant. For half
a second, I was in the same boat as you.
I had seen him in high school.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
You turn on that first second Arizona and you're like,
oh my goodness, this guy is better than we expected.
But in terms of Edgecomb is concerned. So I'm with you, Colin,
and I'll say this is that you know myself. A
lot of people were kind of critical of the draft
coverage last night. I thought they actually did a good
job of explaining kind of this weird situation that Philadelphia
is in where it's like, if MBAT is healthy, you're
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sort of a contender, especially with where the East is
going to be next year, but also you're sort of
in a rebuild because m beat is never healthy.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
What do you do?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
And I think Edgecomb is exactly what you just said
is he's an elite a plus plus athlete that is
learning the game of basketball in real time. But I
think in a worst case scenario, you have a guy
that shows up to work every day, competes, plays hard,
elite defender, and then it just comes down to can
he consistently get that offense? And I think with him
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and I think you kind of mentioned this off the top,
sometimes it's just so tough. I mean, this is an
eighteen year old kid going into a Baylor program that
has always had success, but also with a couple you know,
high ups or not high upside, but really kind of
veteran transfer type guys. And you know he kind of
didn't know not in a negative way, but didn't really
know where he fed how, you know, how how far
could he push things? And so I think he could
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be just just I think in a worst case scenario,
you're getting an elite defensive player, elite athlete, guy that
shows up every.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Day and if the offense clicks.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I know I've said it about four different guys in
this draft, but again, he's another one that in theory,
could be one of the two or three best players
in the draft.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, a guy that's already an NBA shooter is Trade
Johnson and who went to Washington. Now, not a lot
of college guys are elite shooters. Can this guy walk
into the NBA and walk in and average double figures
and be like a like a number two or three
scoring option for a team.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Yeah, I was talking to your Texas insider Greg Tooey
before I came on here. And two, we loved watching
him as a longhorn. I loved watching him.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Let me just keep it very simple.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
When you are breaking some of Kevin Durant's freshman scoring
record to Texas, you can put the ball in the
basket right, And all I would say is is that
you know, anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know enough
about him. He played a game at bud Wall and
Arena against Arkansas where he did literally break Kevin Durant's
single game scoring record of he had forty two. Durant
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had forty when he played at Texas, and he just
showed every shot, every this, every that, and the thing
I'll give him credit for too, a little bit like Edgecumbe,
but not really is. You know, he was playing on, frankly,
not a very good team. I know Texas made the tournament,
but they had this weird resid a SEC gets a
million teams in and he showed up every day ready
to play. And I thought, you know they're on a
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big losing streak. It's easy as a freshman, you know
you're going pro take the night off. He showed up
every single day ready to compete. You know, I'll be honest,
I don't know that he does much other than score.
But listen, every team in every team in the NBA
needs a dude that can put the ball in the
basket and trade.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Johnson certainly provides that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Finally, Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Is there anything about his game that you does he
have a trade or something he has to work on.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
It's a great question. I actually don't think so as
crazy as that. Now, listen, everybody's got to work on everything.
The thing I caution with Cooper Flag is I think
when we think of these high upside freshmen that have
been talked about for years, we just assume it's a
dude that's going to come in and score, you know,
thirty points a night, or his ceiling is a thirty
point nine score.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That's not really who he is.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
He's a great facilitator, you know, six foot eight, six
foot ninety average, however many assists he did at Duke.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
He is a great wing defender. I love that.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I was saying that right as the wing defense shows
up on film and I look like a genius. But no,
he's a great wing defender. He's a great help side defender.
He's just a complete player. And I think until you
watch him game after game, you don't fully appreciate that.
I think the assumption is you turn it on, you
want to see him score thirty. He can do that,
but that is not where he's at his best. He's
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at his best, playing both ends of the floor, competing
defending on the wing, help side defense. I just think
he's going to be an absolute start. And I think
the cool thing is maybe he's not a guy that
can get thirty points a game, but with that specific team,
he doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, the I like the fact there were so many
domestic players, and I think the NIL is helping American
universities poach some of the great European players. The Bulls
got a guy that I'm you know, he's so raw
you can't really tell. Is I mean, there's always there's
always a guy or two that we got about a
minute left. Is there a player you're worried about? There's
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always going to be guys that don't work? I mean,
are some of these young guys? I mean, I was
just reading all the draft perspective stuff last night in
this morning. Anybody that you worry about.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
First of all, I'll just say this really quick.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
I love the take that you've had about and NIL
helping both college basketball and the NBA. I think there
were about four or five guys that could have heard
their names late first round that all decided to go
back to college get ready for next year.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
And next year's.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Class is loaded as far as guys that I do
worry a little bit about.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Listen, I heard you know, billis all you know?
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Fired up about Colin Murray Boyles at number nine there
to Toronto.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
One.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Certainly it didn't seem like he was excited to go to Toronto.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
I'll let everybody do the lip reading on the draft
video two. He's like an undersized four not crazy athletic.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
It's one of those where everybody else is so excited
about him, you feel like you being me, feel like you're.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Supposed to be excited about him. I don't know that
I'm there yet.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
He's the one guy I just didn't really get in
the top ten. But again, maybe I'm just missing out
on it and everybody else has the right take on him.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh by the way, thirty seconds the Walter Clayton kid.
I don't love him as much as everybody else, the
kid that went to Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, the guard Yeah yeah, I think. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I just I think he's a is he? Is he
a your fifth best starter? I've got all everybody loves it.
I love his story. I'm minute left. How good is
he gonna be now.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Great question, and listen, I love college hoops.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
I'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love with
guys that that have an awesome tournament. Uh, listen, maybe
maybe it is one of those stories better than the
actual reality of it. We're talking about a kid who
started his career at Iwona with Rick Patino. Rick Patino
goes to Saint John's, Todd Golden convinces him to go
to Florida.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I think he's a dude that can get buckets.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
Now again, you see a guy dominating NCAA tournament, you
assume he's gonna be a top five pick, and that
translates to the NBA as a six two six' three
guy that isn't really a ball, handler you. KNOW i
think he's more of an off the bench. Score but,
yeah The wizards just need LIKE nba caliber, players AND
i think they got one In Walter.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah that's to, me he's like your fifth best, start
first guy off the bench gets a. Bucket there's huge
value in the, league but he's not a. STAR i
just love his. Story Aaron torres gotta. Go it's great seeing, You.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Bud thank you for having Me colin Enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Portland, okay, yeah thank you very.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
MUCH i will all be coming off the bench as,
well clearly Now i'm In.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Memphis you know.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
They didn't love me that, much all, RIGHT J? Mack
how about. That that's a deep dive on college. Hoops,
baby how about. THAT i KNOW J mack loves.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
IT i know he.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Does see them on
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, he'll be a Hall
of Famer. He's a five time All Pro, two time
Super Bowl champ. That's right tackle in football, Lane Johnson
entering his thirteenth NFL season. I had him retired a
couple of couple of years ago, and his agent called
me and said, now, he's the best tackle in football
on the right side. You get out of here all
right before I get to your mastermind camp, which I love.
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By the way, it's going to be a cosm in Dallas,
which the Cosm in LA is unbelievable. It's an incredible facility.
I want to talk about this. So, you're a super
Bowl champ. The last time you were a Super Bowl champ,
you were on the twenty seventeen team that came back
and did not win. Can you take anything from your
your your year after Super Bowl was there anything in
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twenty seventeen that caught you off guard? I mean, let's
face it, when you're a Super Bowl team, you play
more intense games.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Were you beat up, were you fatigue?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Go back to that year, Lane, what did you learn
from that year after Super Bowl where you didn't win.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, it's just it's a tough scenario to get over mentally.
But I think that each team you face really feels like,
you know, it's their chance to through something, and so mentally,
you're going to be receiving everybody's best, you.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Know, week in and week out.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So you know, coming into the season, that's what I'm
really looking for, you know, just you're gonna get everybody's best.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Shot the How much of an off season do you
give yourself after the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, I mean I feel like I'm always doing something
training wise, so I maybe scale it down and be
as far as weights for like a month, more mobility stuff,
and then I kind of progressed my way through it,
you know, leading into the season.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
So I mean it's a long season. You don't want
to peak too soon.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So a lot of it's you know, calculated to where
you're peaking at the right times.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
In January February.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
When you guys acquire Saquon Barkley, how many practices or
games Lane did it take for you to go, oh, yeah,
that's I've not seen that behind me before.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
How long did it take?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Took me about three plays in team period at the
last training camp, So you know, I got to I
got to watch him a lot, you know, from the
other side of the field. I knew what type of
player he was, but really, you know, he he's just
he has a gravitating type of personality. He's really a
team first guy. He practices hard, he does everything the
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right way and leads the right way. And you know,
I was just, you know, it was a few minutes
into the Patners game and Zil, you know, when he
caught that swinger out out there in the corner Enzo,
and I was like, Okay, it's gonna be a fun year.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah it was. So I've been critical to Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I finally last year but grudgingly said, yeah, I don't
get it. I sometimes you a little crazy for me,
but it works. Tell me, he's still young. What's the secret, sauce,
What does Nick do that really works for you? As
an elite pro Bowl level player.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I think the way how he just he's a very
good communicator. So it's something you know is an addressed
you know he will address it anything in the media.
You know, we all talk about it. So I feel
like nothing's off limits. I really love how he grades
practices and games. You know, everybody on every play. If
you do wrong, your number is up on the board.
If you're a coach, you make a bad call, your
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name's on there. So I feel like accountabilities is really
big in our building, and it doesn't matter who you
are or what you do. Everybody's kind of held to
a similar But I think with Says Kosher, part is
just he's a very good communicator. He loves to get
everybody's I guess approach to the game and see what
wires him. And so I feel like he knows how
to motivate guys in his own way.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The you know, I've said this before.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
If I could pick a quarterback in the league that
I think at the podium is the best because I
think that matters. I think how you get along with teammates.
Philadelphia has got a very loud, aggressive media. I do
not need a quarterback starting fires I need a quarterback
putting out fires, and I think Jalen's the best. He's
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in Tom Brady's class. He's the best I've ever seen.
There's something about his maturity and maybe just its parents
or something. You've been around so many players. What is
he like when I don't see him? What is Jalen?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Hurts like.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Pretty quiet guy and he loves to listen to old
soul music. So I'm talking about stuff in the sixties seventies,
so you know a lot of stuff. Even pregame is
really you know, he's an old soul and so yeah,
I feel like he is wise beyond his years, and
I think his temperament, you know, how he presents himself
every day, that calm cole nation. I feel like it's
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it's very good for our team because, like you said,
we are in a big time city that can get
a little bit at rambunctious in time. So I think
having that day in day out is your leader. I
think it sets the president for us, you know, to
be calm and just focused on what's ahead of you,
and so you know that goes for everybody in the building.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Really, Okay, July twenty second, so you're about a month
out and the season's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Now seventeen games.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It is and again, Philadelphia football is different than Jacksonville.
It is intense, every talk show, every practice. How do
you get right? How do you go into it and
be like, Okay, it's a journey. It's not just the desk,
it's a journey. Go to your young self and go
to Lane Johnson today, how do you approach a season?
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Lane now opposed to maybe seven eight years ago.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I feel like I have a plan.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
You know, as I've gotten older, I feel like I've
become a better pro younger. I was just you know,
I wasn't really listening a whole lot. So you know,
for me, I think it's about knowing your body, training hard,
practicing hard, and really, I mean, you got to take
it one practice at a time, one meeting at a
time and really try to, you know, have that become
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who you are and so where you get out on
the field, you're not thinking a whole lot. And if
you know, I think for all of us players, we
want to channel all the Philadelphia pride and everything they
have and how they care about football into how we play.
So it's a lot easier said and done. But I mean,
I feel like there is there isn't a greater city.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
As far as motivation is concerned. In Philadelphia. They really
get you wired in in the right way and the
best way.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
The fans are incredible, by the way. July tenth and eleventh,
for camp, you're at the Cosm in Dallas, which is
an I haven't been to the one in the Dallas.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The one in la is epic. It's just so good.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
And you're gonna bring Hall of famers in top rookies
like Tristan Wurs and Deon Dawkins. You're having it called
the Mastermind Summit. It's the best offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Do you do you ever steal.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Anything from one of the offensive line? I mean, do
you ever borrow stuff on tape? Do you ever call
another offense?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
You do give me something? I mean you do that?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah. I'll call Jason Peters a lot during the season
or taste team.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I'll text Joe Thomas. I'm trying to learn everything I can.
I think the reason why my ergency wasn't starting this
is that whenever I came into the league, I was
new to.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Play an on line. I didn't really know a whole
lot about it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
And I was trying to figure out who's who's done
what and learn as much as I can, and so
giving everybody in this room over the past seven years
has been just really cool. And I think the time
he's right before camp, and so you just get to
listen to people that have really dominated the game of
football in all aspects, and they tell you how they
went about their day to day life as a pro
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football player, stuff off the field, and I think for
you know, young players, old players such as myself, guys
that are in college, it's just a great two days
to just soak in as much knowledge as you can
and so you know, hopefully you can implement whatever you've learned.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
From some different guys into your play style.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Entering year thirteen, when Lane Johnson gets up in the morning,
how do you feel to after thirteen years in the
trenches in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I feel good in most days.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
There are some days that you know can get long,
but no, I feel I mean, I was explaining I had,
you know, my twenty nine and thirties whenever I had
my ankle surgery and injuries, and I felt like that
really hampered me in twenty twenty one, and so I
feel like now my mobility is like fully back, and
so I'm able to do things that I was able
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to do early in my career. And so yeah, I
feel like I feel really good. You know, I never
expected but I would say that in this age. But
I mean that's that's the truth. I feel a whole
lot better than I did when I was thirty going
through the surgeries and and really, you know, just a
dark period in my career.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
So but yeah, it is challenging. I'm not going to
say it's easy.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But you know, we have a lot of a lot
of great guys around me, a lot of sport, so
I mean it's it's all for them.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
By the way, we got a picture of you apparently
holding up a massive fish.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Is this an Olklahoma? Holy? Is that Oldklahoma? Where is that?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:42):
That is in Grand Lake of the Cherokees. It is
up by Tulsa. So yes, that is what you call paddlefish.
So it's a it's a type of like sturgeon. They
feed off of plankton, harmless, will not hurt you, but
they are huge.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So yeah, it was definitely a fun trip.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I hope you didn't. I hope you had other
than like ten pound test line there. How much that
thing weigh.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That one weighed around eighty so I think we had
sixty sixty pound braided Brady lawn. So yeah, it was.
It was a big boy. It took me had went
back up a little.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Bit after that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, j Mac gotta pulled you in the water right there,
Lane Johnson. Thank god, Lane Johnson was on the boat
and pulled that thing. Hey man, that's great, Seni, you
look great. Congratulations again you're just collecting rings and a
great Senia.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Appreciate you for having me and talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Lane Johnson gonna be a Hall of Famer, one of
the all time greats. He's got that move now. Everybody's kind.
Everybody's ay, he is cheating. Ain't moving it right foot early.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
That's funny. Everybody's copying him.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
You ever noticed that.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
That guy is cheating? Everybody does it? Okay? Yeah, that's
when you're a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 7 (10:50):
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Speaker 7 (11:26):
He's still moving.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
J Maak with the news.
Speaker 9 (11:33):
Turns this is the herd Line News Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Dude, when's the last time Philadelphia think about this? Did
not have a great old line. They're not all about
an eleven year heater at field like.
Speaker 5 (11:45):
Yeah, it's because they're reeling in big fish like that.
All the guys are strong. The thing was massive. Anyways,
let's get started with CJ. Stroud and the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, Strada had a great rookie season.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I'm surprised you didn't put them on your untradable list,
but he did take a step back live year, although
the Texas made the playoffs. Well, at this thing called
Fanatics Fest, Peyton Manning spoke highly of Stroud and defended
him from the quote unquote down year.
Speaker 10 (12:12):
He went to the playoffs in his second years. It
was twenty two. Let's be careful saying it was a
down year. Okay. I didn't win a playoff game till
my sixth year, right, and so he's two for two.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I love that Peyton Manning did not win a playoff
game until a sixth year. So for all of Lamar
Jackson critics, yeah, when you got big Ben and Brady,
it's hard to win playoff games. The Herbert bashers, the
take a deep breath, Lamar bashers, Herbert bashers. Peyton Manning
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not as good at quarterback as though the sport has had.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Year six.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
I remember the Jets smashed them in one playoff game,
was like four.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I do that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I remember that too, zero forty one ten something.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, but context as usual as needed.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
He had like no good defenses early.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
Remember they had the awesome offense, but the defense couldn't
stop a nose lead. Anyways, you know, I don't know
what to make a Stroud. I don't think he's top five.
I would take Jalen Hurts over.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Him in a Hark.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, but remember tuns a lot a terrible year and
Diggs got hurt.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
I think Tank Dell got hurt.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
They lost three three of their top four receivers, and
their left tackle stunk. So I'm gonna give him a
pass on that. I think all I know, And I've
said this before when I watched C. J. Stroud play
and Joe Burrell has this quality, easy accuracy, moving left,
moving right, Jayden Daniels has this.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Burrow's really got it.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I mean, look at that pass right there. He's got
a guy in his kitchen. He's throwing off one foot.
He puts it in the bread box in the back
of the end zone. When you're that accurate, you will
win games in this league. I that that is. That's
what separates for Burrow. It's more accurate than Mahomes, and
Mahomes is all taught.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Yea. I need to squint to see if that was
against the Titans or the Colts, all these people who
bashed Lebron.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Oh he played in a weak East.
Speaker 11 (14:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Stroud has been in the worst division in football for TA.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Made the playoffs and games he should and gave the
Chief trouble that came in Arrow was good.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Listen, I'm not out on Stroud. I just Jalen Hurts
is better.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
People. I'm sorry. I know Cowhard loves Stroud. Jalen Hurts,
no doubt.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
Come on next up to the NBA. Hey, let's go
back to the Celtics. Big Celtics day. You see Jalen
Brown getting the pill for there. His name is strangely
being floated in trade scenarios.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Remember I brought him up months ago.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Hey, what about him for Gianni's But that was before
the Tatum injury. Well, Shams is indicating Jalen Brown could
be the next big Domino to fall. Significant interest in
him around the league. Now, a team like the Brooklyn Nets,
they no star is gonna go there willing, so they
would gladly trade for Jalen Brown, Who's gonna be making
(15:02):
like seventy million dollars a year in a few years.
But the problem is what can you get in return
next year? Jalen Brown's clocking forty nine MILS, sixth highest
paid player in the league, Colin, is he a top
ten player in the league. No, Now, with all the injuries,
you know, Halliburton's gone, Tatum's gone, maybe he cracks the
(15:23):
top ten, but he's a little bit ricey still. But
if I'm a team like Brooklyn, I can't get somebody.
The team that I would keep an eye on right
now is the Miami Heat. I don't know if they
can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I think Miami and Jalen brownless and they they wanted
Katie and couldn't get him Miami. Pat Riley's getting older,
is he's not gonna sit around for a five year rebuild. Yeah,
Spolstra has got trophies. I mean, I think Miami's the
play for Jalen Brown, and it's everything pat Riley likes.
Practice is hard, plays.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Hard, defends smart, like he said.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Everything you know, he's got that d Wade quality, play hard,
get on the floor. I mean, Janel Brown feels like
a Miami Heat player.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So Brown and bam Adebayo, that's formidable in the East.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh, next year, I would solutely.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I don't know if you put them one, but they're
right there with Orlando, Cleveland, New York. Yeah, like that
would be So everybody listening keep an eye on that.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Jaln Brown. The Heat final story Colin k d.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Everybody's favorite Houston Rocket not officially a member of the
Rockets yet, although it's expected to go through when it
becomes official July sixth. However, there is hype around the addition.
Rudy tom Janovich, the former Rockets coach, broke down the addition.
Speaker 11 (16:39):
One of the greatest players of all time coming in.
I think it's going to be great chemistry, you know,
the balance. You know, when we talk about the Rockets
in the past couple of years young, we're young, and
I think this mix is gonna be perfect. You know,
(17:00):
he's a he's a veteran, he's still hungry, still a
great player, and I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think everybody's opinion on that is
pretty centered on this is an elite team in the West,
and I totally agree.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Now, there's an interesting stat our guys, dug up here.
Did you realize Kevin Durant is the only player in
NBA history to average over twenty five points.
Speaker 6 (17:24):
A game on four teams.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, that's kind.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Of crazy when you think about it, that Kevin Durant,
a top fifteen player all time, is about to be
on his fifth NBA team. Like, let that sink it
a lot of the Pillars, the greats, Magic, Larry Michael, Jordan,
Jordan played on two A lot of them were on
one team, KD five different teams.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Once he joins the Rocket.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well, we as sports fans, we like the Jeter route
more than the Lebron and kill.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Not all of us.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Well, I mean, I just I think there's a lot
of fans that like what Jeter did a Kobe that
fans like you to Steph Curry that it's easier to follow.
We don't want our guys bouncing around. I don't hold
that against him. I think he grew up in the
mobility era. I hated him leaving Golden State. But I
would say I've said this before and I'll say it again.
The NBA had an all time one on one tournament.
(18:19):
Don't put centers in. That's unfair. Yeah, you can be
a forward or down. I would take Durant over everybody,
including Lebron and Jordan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jordan couldn't stop him. He's too tall.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
He would get no he would get easier shots than
Michael Michael. Michael would score on him, but he's got
four inches. You're not going to stop him. He's a
better shooter than Michael. He can handle the ball. Michael's
the best. I mean again, maybe I'm crazy. I think
Kevin Durant is virtually I always said Dirt Novitzky's great.
Kevin Durant is like Dirk Novitzky plus.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So that's an interesting take.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
So in prime, Kevin Durant in a one on one
could beat any player in NBA history that's not a center.
And I I don't know if I disagree with that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Lebron's outside jumper in a one on one game, he'd
have to bully at a score. And again, Durant's longer
could give him problems down low. Lebron's Michael Jordan's mid
range okay, but Kevin has got so much reach on him,
he'd have an advantage. What about Curry, No, he's depending
on an outside shot. He's not going to be able
to you can bully him. I know it's my I
(19:32):
know it's my craziest take. And I think MJ would
finish second. MJ would finish second all time. All the
players ever would be Michael and Durant would work their
way to the final, and I think Durant would beat him.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's a hot take.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
I'm a little stunned. I'm a little shaken right now.
Just rather I'm like, wow, that's not terrible. And I
can't think of someone like Larry Bird, Anthony Edwards, Penny Hardaway,
like Grant Hill.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Grant Hill's tough.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I don't know if he had the jumper KD does.
That's a good take, Calard Rare, job, rare, Good job
by you there, Tim.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Jay Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
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Speaker 1 (20:13):
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Speaker 1 (20:33):
All right, a guy that watches as much college basketball
as anybody I know in Jmack. Jmack is the college
basketball officionado on the show. And Aaron Torres Fox Sports Radio,
he has the Aeron Torres Sports Podcast.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Is joining us.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I'll start with it. You'm gona ask you abou four
or five guys?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Sure, so, Ace Bailey and I said this, if you
go look at top picks that don't make NBA is
a good job of identifying. I mean with sometimes just
eighteen nineteen year old kids in the NFL, it's easier
I get four or five years of tape. You're a
more mature player. You're getting eighteen year olds from Yugoslavia.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
You don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, you really don't are the former you know, Yugoslava,
So you just don't know. And so my take is
when I watch Ace Bailey, I'm like, Okay, you're great,
but Rutgers couldn't make the tournament. You wouldn't work out
for anybody. I mean, like not a lot of self awareness.
Last night you watched him, you know him? Are there
(21:33):
red flags? What do you make of him as a
player and as a prospect?
Speaker 9 (21:38):
Yeah, first of all, I appreciate you having me. I
don't know if this is the last show you're doing
before you ship out to Portland or whatever, but I
hope you had a good night last.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Night at your draft party there Colin.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
So Ace Bailey, listen, the whole situation is weird. I'll
be totally honest. You know, I didn't love the whole
I'm only going to work out for certain things now.
I think I understand the of he's a high volume guy,
you don't want to go to the wrong team, sit
on the bench, not set yourself up to get the
second contract.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
But I also think that like, once that.
Speaker 9 (22:09):
Happens, I don't blame the Jazz for drafting a guy
totally based on upside that if it hits like it
isn't an insane possibility, like it isn't a completely unrealistic
possibility that he ends up the best player in the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
And so you know, the Jazz are one of these teams.
Speaker 9 (22:26):
I don't think the rebuild has been quite as long
as we think it is, but it feels like it's
been like four or five years. They've been waiting to
get in position to get that guy.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
And if you have the.
Speaker 9 (22:35):
Opportunity to get the potentially first second best player in
this draft at number six where they were drafting, you
just have to take advantage. So I didn't love Ace
Bailey's approach to this. I would have personally advised him
to handle it differently. But once he's there and you're
the Utah Jazz and you just cannot get into that
top spot or two, I don't blame them for taking
(22:55):
the upside pick.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Okay, his teammate Dylan Harper, and Carter Bryant to the Spurs,
I said, I'm not gonna pretend I know, but it
does feel like they're going to be part of their
core four, with Wemby being obviously the centerpiece. Give me
a little on Dylan Harper and a little on Carter Bryant.
Speaker 9 (23:14):
Well, I love the draft, and you know I put
out a tweet at some point last night that this
feels like if it hits where OKC was four years ago,
is you've got all these picks.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
And again, I also give the Spurs credit.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
They might not be drafting frankly in the lottery for
literally like a decade. If this goes well, they won't
be drafting this high for a long time. So don't
get cute, don't take just take the best player available
and hope that he absolutely hits in Dylan Harper, and
I think there's an argument that he was the best player. Again,
you could argue somebody else, Ace Bailey, whatever, the guy
that I am excited about Colin, and I'm so fired
(23:47):
up that you feel the same way. Carter Bryan to me,
if Carter Bryant hits I think he's going to be
a true star. And I know everybody wants to look
at the stats at Arizona. I'll give a little background.
You know, I love Tommy Lloyd. I love this staff.
I hope this doesn't come off as a criticism, but
they are a program.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
You know.
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Tommy Lloyd's a Mark Fu guy. Mark Feu relies on
his veterans, trust his veterans. Tommy Lloyd comes from that tree.
And I think Tommy Lloyd, I think, planned on easing
Carter Brian in and all of a sudden it's like,
oh my god, this guy's way better than we realized.
And now all of a sudden, you're kind of, you know,
stuck in this spot of he's playing better than you,
anticipating the point I'm trying to make, don't look at
(24:26):
the stats. The analogy that I have made on Carter
Brian I truly believe I've said this a million times
for people who have listened to me.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
I was at Yukon at the same time as Rudy Gay.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
Carter Bryant reminds me so much of Rudy Gay at
the same age. And I know some people say, oh,
Rudy Gay, what is that Rudy Gay played in the
NBA for eighteen years. Rudy Gay retired last year at
thirty eight years old.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Like, don't let Lebron fool you.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
If you are playing until you're thirty eight years old,
it means you had a very good NBA career. And
I think if it hits Carter Brian as one of
the two three four best players in this draft. So
I love the Dylan Harper pick, but I really love
the Carter Brian pick as well.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah, I've been saying for two weeks.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
When you turned Arizona on certain college players, you're like, oh, okay, wow,
who's that guy? The other kid, the Baylor kid VJ Edgecombe. Okay,
we all watched Baylor top program. That kid now stylistically
he's not Westbrook but burst Speed jet fuel while he
jumped off the TV when I watched him.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Your thoughts one thousand percent. First of all, I'll say
this about Carter going back to Carter Bryant. For half
a second, I was in the same boat as you.
I had seen him in high school.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
You turn on that first second Arizona and you're like,
oh my goodness, this guy is better than we expected.
But in terms of Edgecomb is concerned. So I'm with you, Colin,
and I'll say this is that you know myself. A
lot of people were kind of critical of the draft
coverage last night. I thought they actually did a good
job of explaining kind of this weird situation that Philadelphia
is in where it's like, if MBAT is healthy, you're
(25:53):
sort of a contender, especially with where the East is
going to be next year, but also you're sort of
in a rebuild because m beat is never healthy.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
What do you do?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
And I think Edgecomb is exactly what you just said
is he's an elite a plus plus athlete that is
learning the game of basketball in real time. But I
think in a worst case scenario, you have a guy
that shows up to work every day, competes, plays hard,
elite defender, and then it just comes down to can
he consistently get that offense? And I think with him
(26:21):
and I think you kind of mentioned this off the top,
sometimes it's just so tough. I mean, this is an
eighteen year old kid going into a Baylor program that
has always had success, but also with a couple you know,
high ups or not high upside, but really kind of
veteran transfer type guys. And you know he kind of
didn't know not in a negative way, but didn't really
know where he fed how, you know, how how far
could he push things? And so I think he could
(26:42):
be just just I think in a worst case scenario,
you're getting an elite defensive player, elite athlete, guy that
shows up every.
Speaker 6 (26:48):
Day and if the offense clicks.
Speaker 9 (26:50):
I know I've said it about four different guys in
this draft, but again, he's another one that in theory,
could be one of the two or three best players
in the draft.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Okay, a guy that's already an NBA shooter is Trade
Johnson and who went to Washington. Now, not a lot
of college guys are elite shooters. Can this guy walk
into the NBA and walk in and average double figures
and be like a like a number two or three
scoring option for a team.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
Yeah, I was talking to your Texas insider Greg Tooey
before I came on here. And two, we loved watching
him as a longhorn. I loved watching him.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
Let me just keep it very simple.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
When you are breaking some of Kevin Durant's freshman scoring
record to Texas, you can put the ball in the
basket right, And all I would say is is that
you know, anybody who isn't sold or doesn't know enough
about him. He played a game at bud Wall and
Arena against Arkansas where he did literally break Kevin Durant's
single game scoring record of he had forty two. Durant
(27:44):
had forty when he played at Texas, and he just
showed every shot, every this, every that, and the thing
I'll give him credit for too, a little bit like Edgecumbe,
but not really is. You know, he was playing on, frankly,
not a very good team. I know Texas made the tournament,
but they had this weird resid a SEC gets a
million teams in and he showed up every day ready
to play. And I thought, you know they're on a
(28:05):
big losing streak. It's easy as a freshman, you know
you're going pro take the night off. He showed up
every single day ready to compete. You know, I'll be honest,
I don't know that he does much other than score.
But listen, every team in every team in the NBA
needs a dude that can put the ball in the
basket and trade.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Johnson certainly provides that.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Finally, Cooper Flag.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Is there anything about his game that you does he
have a trade or something he has to work on.
Speaker 9 (28:30):
It's a great question. I actually don't think so as
crazy as that. Now, listen, everybody's got to work on everything.
The thing I caution with Cooper Flag is I think
when we think of these high upside freshmen that have
been talked about for years, we just assume it's a
dude that's going to come in and score, you know,
thirty points a night, or his ceiling is a thirty
point nine score.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
That's not really who he is.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
He's a great facilitator, you know, six foot eight, six
foot ninety average, however many assists he did at Duke.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
He is a great wing defender. I love that.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
I was saying that right as the wing defense shows
up on film and I look like a genius. But no,
he's a great wing defender. He's a great help side defender.
He's just a complete player. And I think until you
watch him game after game, you don't fully appreciate that.
I think the assumption is you turn it on, you
want to see him score thirty. He can do that,
but that is not where he's at his best. He's
(29:19):
at his best, playing both ends of the floor, competing
defending on the wing, help side defense. I just think
he's going to be an absolute start. And I think
the cool thing is maybe he's not a guy that
can get thirty points a game, but with that specific team,
he doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, the I like the fact there were so many
domestic players, and I think the NIL is helping American
universities poach some of the great European players. The Bulls
got a guy that I'm you know, he's so raw
you can't really tell. Is I mean, there's always there's
always a guy or two that we got about a
minute left. Is there a player you're worried about? There's
(29:54):
always going to be guys that don't work? I mean,
are some of these young guys? I mean, I was
just reading all the draft perspective stuff last night in
this morning. Anybody that you worry about.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
First of all, I'll just say this really quick.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
I love the take that you've had about and NIL
helping both college basketball and the NBA. I think there
were about four or five guys that could have heard
their names late first round that all decided to go
back to college get ready for next year.
Speaker 6 (30:18):
And next year's.
Speaker 9 (30:18):
Class is loaded as far as guys that I do
worry a little bit about.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
Listen, I heard you know, billis all you know?
Speaker 9 (30:25):
Fired up about Colin Murray Boyles at number nine there
to Toronto.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
One.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Certainly it didn't seem like he was excited to go to Toronto.
Speaker 9 (30:32):
I'll let everybody do the lip reading on the draft
video two. He's like an undersized four not crazy athletic.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
It's one of those where everybody else is so excited
about him, you feel like you being me, feel like you're.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Supposed to be excited about him. I don't know that
I'm there yet.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
He's the one guy I just didn't really get in
the top ten. But again, maybe I'm just missing out
on it and everybody else has the right take on him.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Oh by the way, thirty seconds the Walter Clayton kid.
I don't love him as much as everybody else, the
kid that went to Florida.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, the guard Yeah yeah, I think. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I just I think he's a is he? Is he
a your fifth best starter? I've got all everybody loves it.
I love his story. I'm minute left. How good is
he gonna be now.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Great question, and listen, I love college hoops.
Speaker 9 (31:22):
I'm as guilty as anybody have fallen in love with
guys that that have an awesome tournament. Uh, listen, maybe
maybe it is one of those stories better than the
actual reality of it. We're talking about a kid who
started his career at Iwona with Rick Patino. Rick Patino
goes to Saint John's, Todd Golden convinces him to go
to Florida.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I think he's a dude that can get buckets.
Speaker 9 (31:40):
Now again, you see a guy dominating NCAA tournament, you
assume he's gonna be a top five pick, and that
translates to the NBA as a six two six' three
guy that isn't really a ball, handler you. KNOW i
think he's more of an off the bench. Score but,
yeah The wizards just need LIKE nba caliber, players AND
i think they got one In Walter.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
Clay.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah that's to, me he's like your fifth best, start
first guy off the bench gets a. Bucket there's huge
value in the, league but he's not a. STAR i
just love his. Story Aaron torres gotta. Go it's great seeing, You.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Bud thank you for having Me colin Enjoyed.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Portland, okay, yeah thank you very.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
MUCH i will all be coming off the bench as,
well clearly Now i'm In.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Memphis you know.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
They didn't love me that, much all, RIGHT J? Mack
how about. That that's a deep dive on college. Hoops,
baby how about. THAT i KNOW J mack loves.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
IT i know he.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Does see them on
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