September 25, 2025 • 28 mins
Colin and Jason discuss storylines from around the NFL, and Colin makes his case for the Vikings over the Steelers. Washington head coach Jedd Fisch joins Colin Cowherd to discuss the upcoming match between his Huskies and the Ohio State Buckeyes. He also shares stories from working in the NFL among numerous great coaches like Sean McVay and Jim Harbaugh.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean, I've said this now for some time, as
I think you can fool people in the first week
or like, for instance, your legit Detroit Lions have an
all new staff. They look terrible in the first week.
The Jets defense first week defense look terrible. With Aaron Glenn,
you have new staffs, nobody plays starters in the preseason.
Week one now feels like an extension of the preseason.
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In weeks two and three, you're just trying to kind
of figure your way out. But I think as you
get to week three, four and five, it's harder to
fool people. You become what you are. So Aaron Rodgers,
for instance, if you go to week one against the Jets,
it was unbelievable, but Hamlin had been there for a while,
a lot of their personnel had been there. Aaron and
DK Metcalf were the new guys and the Jets had
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an entirely new coaching staff and Aaron Rodgers in Week
one against the Jets was unbelievable. Four touchdowns, no picks.
He completed seventy three percent of his throws. His passer
rating was one thirty seven. Since then, now people have
film Rogers against Seattle in New England. Seattle's really good defense,
New England really good coaching staff. He struggled sixty percent
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completion rate, passer rating in the low thirties, and PFF
has him as the second worst graded quarterback. And now
veteran quarterbacks tend to like structure and habits. Now you're
sending the old guy overseas, and what do you know?
The Vikings with Brian Flores, top six defense, top three
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in pressures, top three in takeaways, number four, number four
in pressures, take it away, number three pass defense. So
this is a prime example where I think Minnesota's got
the best overall roster compared to these two. I think
their coaching staff is better. I think they'll travel well.
I think Carson Wentz, you don't have a ton of
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film if you're the Steelers. How many times have you
played him. There's a lot of stuff. I think the
Vikings right now are an underrated team. They gave Caleb
Williams fits. Vikings are undefeated in international games. I think
the Steelers cannot figure out their offensive line in run
game for seven years. So I really like Minnesota in
this game. And that's how we've come to the conclusion
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on that. Jed Fisher on the corner. First. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Let's start with the Baltimore Ravens Kansas City Chiefs. Huge, huge,
enormous games Sunday afternoon. Ravens one and two. So are
the Chiefs. These teams have had their battles. Usually Casey
comes out on top. Lamar Jackson knows the team needs
to get it together and fast.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
We just got to lock in on what's it here
right now? You know the game better than practice, watch film,
one of those guys, watch our salescouty ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Just get after it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Come Sunday. Last three games, even with the win versus Cleveland,
we was we started off slow. You know, we just
got to play high. We played ball, you know, play football,
play for even football.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean is it personnel? You know, we talked
Greg Cosel hour ago said Roe Kwan Smith, a great player,
did not play a particularly well. They were missing two starters,
and I will argue that Detroit was a bad matchup
when you're missing two of your guys up front. Van
Ney Detroit's offensive lines road grading it was. I thought
it was a bad matchup. I didn't think it would
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look like that. But I do think the defense will
give a very spirited effort. And also they go from
facing the lions and armor on Saint Brown to a
battle line with no run games. So I think Kansas
City Baltimore, I take the points. I think it's low scoring.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, when were at the draft, they went and got
Malachi Starks, the kid out of Vanta, Georgia.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, and I'm like, wait, why are you doing that?
You already have Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And then we're like, oh, well the Ravens are smart,
they must be ahead of the curve. Well, they don't
really have a front at all. Did you see Montgomery
just running wild on them like he went crazy? Josh
Allen and James Cook like, I almost wonder if they kind.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Of bricked it. Now it is early it's only been
three games.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
However, the stat you need to know colin thirteen percent
of one in three teams make the playoffs, just thirteen.
And the last team to win this to make the
super Bowl that started one in three two thousand and
one Patriots. So I don't want to say you crossed
the loser off here from making the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But it's a bit of an uphill climb. Yeah, there's
a bit of a rubicon here. I mean, you get
you do get to a point where I don't think
I didn't you know, in the Super Bowl bubble, you
didn't mention this. I didn't put Kansas City in it
or near it. Yeah, I just I think it's an
offensive league. I think you have to be able to
score points. I mean, we haven't seen Rashid Rice is talented,
but because of his off field stuff banged up, we
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don't know what you're getting when he gets back. So
I think Baltimore is the kind of team that can
win multiple playoff games because they'll be super explosive. And
I don't think the AFC this year, I don't think
it's as good as it's been in previous years. I mean,
Houston was a rising team. They're not anymore. Jacksonville doesn't
look to be any good by the way, Miami, they're
not dangerous anymore. New England in a rebuild mode. So
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I am Cincinnati Joe Burrows hurt. So I do think
they can win playoff games, but I don't think you
can be a super Bowl team and get pushed around,
and I think Baltimore will be.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'll offer an olive branch to Chiefs fans.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Their two losses are to undefeated Chargers and undefeated Eagles,
So maybe, hey, they're not a superstar top five team,
but they're probably not like the seventeenth best team in
the league either.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
All right, let's move on Colin. Next story is the
Bears and Raiders this weekend. Remember at the draft, Ashton
genty was really linked to Chicago, but.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
The Raiders grabbed him sixth.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So the Bears head to Vegas Sunday to take on
Ashton gent And here's Ben Johnson talking about the young
stud running back.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
He's a phenomenal player. I thought the world of him.
You know, he's a hard guy to bring down, compact
yet powerful. You know, you you better have low pad
level when you're looking to tackle this guy or else
he's going to lower his shoulder and run you over.
He's got that mentality. He brought it with him from college.
You see it through the first three games of the
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season so far, where he's fearless, he sees a little
bit of air, he steps on the gas, and he
plays violently. So he's a guy that we're certainly aware
of and we got to do with the best that
we can to bottle him up.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, if I was Chicago, this is a scary game.
You play out of your mind against a very soft team.
Now you go on the road the Raiders. You know
you've got an excellent veteran coaching staff Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly,
And I'll say this about Ashton genty. There's a stat
out there you're hard to wrap your brains around of
his like one hundred forty four rushing yard or something.
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One hundred forty four are after contact. So the reality
is there, the offensive line is not getting a push
and so he's having to do it all on his own.
That's kind of what I read into that staff.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
He's getting buried in the backseiel fifty seven percent of
the time he's getting hit at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Now some of that has to.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Do with brock Bowers being dinged up. I'm just gonna again,
maybe this is just a gambler and me talking. So
last week we loved the Cowboys Bears over it didn't
hit Colin. I'm just curious, Ceedee Lamb gets hurt first quarter,
knocked out early.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
What if he doesn't get knocked out of that game.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think Dallas moves up and down the field, and
maybe that's a closer game. Maybe the Bears don't win.
I think the Raiders are the site. I don't know
about you. Again, Ceedee Lamb. You saw that they have
a single point of failure. If Lamb's down, they got
nothing pickets A eight to one running games on existent
offensive line.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Is I I will say, I have I feel strongly
about four games this week, and so tonight's the night
I dig into all the numbers and really get into it.
I already know for I'm looking for a fifth, but
I'm I'm with you. I think the Raiders are the side.
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I mean again, we're talking about Chicago's got a lot
of young players on that offense. Loveland Burden it's Caleb Williams.
They're they're one of their tackles. There roma Dunze like
a new off, young head coach. Like these road games
in the NFL are a different ball. We saw what
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happened in Detroit. They were overwhelmed. They just unraveled. Allegiant
is loud. You have a veteran coaching staff. Gino has
been around the league for a Gino, when there is
an intense pressure on it can let it rip. He
can spin it. So I don't like this spot for
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'm with you. Final story, Colin is Seahawks Cardinals tonight.
I teased it early in the show. I got some
Kyler stuff for you. I'll give it to you after
this SoundBite. But Kyler Murray talked about the Cardinals offense
without James Connor. They got to get on the same page.
Just a big game for Arizona. Here's Kyler.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
We got to be more consistent. We got to make
the plays when they're there. It's really simple, as simple
as that. You know, it's really not a complicated game.
You gotta make plays. I'm trying to build confidence each
and every day and continue to give my guys opportunities
when they're when they're there, I'm gonna continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Obviously Drew mixed the calls and then we got to
go out there and nexte cute. But when whenever, the
opportunity presents, so for the chances are there, I'm definitely
gonna give my guys opportunities.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm gonna tell you, they had that San Francisco game,
they got a safety, they led, they had the ball
at midfield, they picked up a first down. You looked
up and the Niners were hitting a game winning field goalf.
That was one of those you'll look back on your
schedule and you'll be like, how did we lose that game?
Gained him, they out rushed him, Arizona gave that puppy ooy.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, and Marvin Harrison with the drop so Kyler in
two games against Seattle last year, five carries for twenty
five yards.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
In two games Colin he.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Had two of his worst games of the season against them,
at a brutal pick six, Arizona one for five in
the red zone. I'm just gonna remind people, and you
know this, McDonald is a really sharp guy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
He is a great defensive coordinator, he's a hardball.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Guy who's with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, Jim Harbaugh at
Michigan and Drew Petzig. You know, Arizona Cardinal fans a
little worried about this guy. Witherspoon is back for Seattle tonight.
He's the chess piece who gets after Kyler.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Seahawks win Handley.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
All right, Bunny J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know Jet Fish for a long time, he turned
around an Arizona program that was absolutely lost. Very good personnel.
I they put a lot of guys in the league
and now he's got the Huskies. They're undefeated. They faced
number one oh High Io State at Husky Stadium, a
place I've been a few times, and Jed Fish is
joining us live. It is going to be loud in Seattle.
Good to see it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jed.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
First of all, it is you've been doing this a
long time, Belichick, Pete Carroll, you've been McVeigh college, you've
been pro in college. This is one of those games
and you probably had a lot of them in Arizona.
You don't you eventually you won't have many at Washington.
But this may be one of the games that you
look at the personnel on film and go, Okay, they
got a lot of NFL bodies. So you go in
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as a home underdog when you go into a game
and you look at that film and you're like, man,
they got some they got some dudes here. How do
you convince your team very early in that game we're
the better team. Play with confidence, because Ohio State can
shrink a lot of confidence in this sport.
Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think our team's thinking
like that. I think our team's excited about this opportunity.
We're playing really good football right now. We've played really
good on offense, we're playing good on defense, we're taking
the ball away, we're scoring points. Our guys are fired up.
We got a lot of NFL players on our roster
right now, and we're going to go attack and we're
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going to go be aggressive, and we know we got
a tough challenge in front of us, but we're just
excited about that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A lot of people haven't seen Demon Williams your quarterback play.
I got a text yesterday from an NFL former NFL
quarterback and he's like, this kid can spin it. He goes.
Don't you think he'll be the second best quarterback in
the field. He's like, this kid is a rising star.
If our audience has never seen your quarterback play, tell
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us about it.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Yeah, I mean, he's a leade in a lot of
different capacities. He's only nineteen years old. We played him
last year in every game about ten plays, played about
ten plays when we beat Michigan, about ten plays against
sc UCLA, and then played the second half of the
game against Penn State Oregon, and then started against Oregon.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And the bowl game.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He's got unbelievable skills.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
He can throw the ball as well as anybody I've
ever been around in college football, and he could run
the ball better than any guy I've been around in
Pro war college football. He is fast, he's electric, but
he's an incredible decision maker. He's you know, I think
we've gotten I don't know, maybe in his career sixteen touchdowns,
one interception. He just takes care of the ball. He
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protects the ball. He understands the ball is our program.
And he's an elite leader for only being a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So you're going to face Jeremiah Smith, who I said
last year probably the best freshman I have ever seen
in college football. He looked like an NFL player. You know,
there's two ways to go about it, all right, Brackett
and take it out. We're just going to commit to
that side. But again, you're confident. Washington's always had good corners.
It seems like forever you've had good corners, you know
that you've coached against them, you've coached them. When you
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face a guy that is that special, is there a
plan of attack or I mean, do you have to
spend all afternoon on it? But he's an unstoppable force
in you know, in individual coverage.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Yeah, there's no question. I mean, he's elite, e lait,
e lead elite. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We had a guy like that at.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
T MAC when we were at Arizona's what the eighth
overall pick. I think we have a guy like that
in Denzel Boston currently on our team, where you know,
you one guy doesn't really defend those guys. It takes two,
and it takes a mix up coverages, it takes all
different plans. We've got really good corners. We got two
six foot four corners and you know they're they're pretty
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special players, NFL talents, but uh, this guy's elite and
we're gonna have to mix it up. We can't just
do one thing on defense, uh, or they'll be you know,
there'll be no chance to be able to take this
guy away. We got to do multiple different things, multiple
different looks, uh, and always have him in our sights.
But the other the guy they got on the other side,
Tate is is pretty good also, So we got a
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lot of work to do to be able to defend
this team.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I said, I felt both you and Oregon would do
very well in the Big Ten. You're playing you know,
sometimes windy, wet weather. I wouldn't worry about the palm trees,
I said, Washington and Oregon they're gonna do just fine.
They're gonna hold you know, they're gonna play home games,
and those Big ten teams are going to come out
West and find out how loud it is. Do you
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recruit though, whether it's portal or high school. You know
you're down in Arizona, recruit in Texas heavy? Do you
recruit differently knowing you have a Big ten schedule.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Well, we're able to be a little more national recruiting wise,
because of the fact that we could sell that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
We're going to be playing on the East.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Coast, we're gonna be playing in the West Coast, we're
gonna be playing in the Midwest. Well, you know, there's
so many different areas that we'll be able to attack
that people can watch them on TV or come to
a game. We had three East Coast games last year.
We had three this year, so it's pretty cool in
that guard. Unfortunately, you know, we don't know the game
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times all the way too early, so we can't tell
them exactly what it's going to look like to try
to get them there. But we do feel like we
can nationally recruit. We were in the National Championship Game
two years ago, so people know who Washington is. They
played Michigan on the big stage. We got to find
a way to get back there to continue to re
emphasize the type of program that we are.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
You had to replace this is insane. Eleven offensive starters.
There's no way in your career you've ever had to
do that. When you now good, good thing, you got
the portal that helps a lot, But when you replace
eleven starters, did you look at it and go Okay,
we got to be ramped up here. Ohio State's coming
to our place. Was it a slow process or did
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you think to yourself, Hey, I'm just gonna dump the
playbook on them. You guys are nineteen twenty twenty one,
figured out how have you grown with the eleven new
offensive starters?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Yeah, luckily they were They came in the spring and
we were able. We're starting in this game two freshman
wide receivers and a freshman guard and a nineteen year
old quarterback. And we're young. We're young in a lot
of areas, and we just felt like we needed to
be able to fast forward the learning curve. And fortunately
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I worked for Jim Harball for a couple of years.
When we got to Michigan together, and you know, at
training camp, there's no need to not meet and there's
no need to not practice. And we met a lot
and we practiced a lot, and we made football the
most important thing. And when you have that hardball mentality
a little bit, you just you realize like you could
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just find ways, find ways to teach them football and
just infuse football into their blood.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
When we first met, I told you I grew up
as a Husky fan and had been in the Husky Stadium,
and I remember exactly what you said. You're like, man,
that is a get a job and stay there forever job.
You had said, like that place is crazy. Has it fulfilled?
Husky Stadium afternoon? Is it as special as you thought
it would be?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You know when when when we first met, I think
I was h and two or owing three against you
dub on the road up at Husky Stadium, and the
place was just uniquely you know, just a unique spot
of just noise and the stadiums so beautiful and we're
six to oh it. Well, now we're eight and oh
at home since uh, since I've been here, and it's
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been pretty cool. The environment, the way it feels, the
way it looks, you know the fact that families can
take boats over to the games, and it's so loud,
and it's going to be rocking, uh tomorrow on Saturday,
and it's gonna be noon or twelve thirty kickoff all
purple and h I just told our fans and our
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student section, man, let's just let's make this thing elite.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, it will be. You know, you were a college
roommate of Howie Roseman. Everybody knows that. And listen, I
know how he's picked your brain. But my guess is
you call him and pick his brain. What and I
think he's the best gam in football? What is how
he taught you that you could tell our audience publicly
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about personnel and how he views athletes, because I guarantee
you he's picked your brain more than once.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Oh yeah, I mean we have a great, obviously give
and take relationship, and I'm constantly trying to understand, you know,
how to how to make the most of this new
era where we're you know, where we're playing with a
with a cap, how to you know, spend your resources.
I've talked to him numerous times about what type of
investment you make in the trenches versus the perimeter, what
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type of investment you make when you re sign your
quarterback and what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Hiring staff?
Speaker 8 (19:52):
He's an amazing you know, you look at the guys
he's hired. You know, he's been to the Super Bowl
with Doug Peterson, He's been to the Super Bowl with
Sirian He's won super Bowls to both those guys, been
to the Super Bowl with Andy Reid, hired Schip Kelly.
You know, He's just hired great coaches, hired assistant coaches.
Vic Fangio's his defensive coordinator just constantly is in that
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process of finding coaches and finding players. So we talk
about where do you want to invest your team? And
if you look at their d line, what they've you know,
what they've decided on is they're going to win in
the trenches and they're going to find a quarterback that
can both run and throw. And if you look at
what we're trying to do, we're trying to win in
the trenches and we're trying to find that quarterback that
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can both run and throw and has extreme leadership. And
I think we're trying to replicate that model that he
has with the running back Jonah Coleman for us, say
quant for him, with the receivers aj for him, and
then obviously Denzel for us, and then with that offensive
line of defensive line.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah. Well, every time the Huskies have the right coach,
go back to Don James, Rick Heisel got to a
Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson got to the playoff, and Kaylin
de Boorr got in there. I've always said when Washington
gets the right coach, they're very good and they get
it rolling, and now you have a national conference in
the Big ten. I got to ask you one question,
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two quick ones. One you've been under McVeigh, Belichick, Pete
and Harball. I said this. I got pushback. I said,
is hardball count Collagen? Pro? Is he the best football
coach ever? He's taking? He's taking five messes? They're good.
Instantly he leaves in there, No good again? What is
I ask everybody this that knows him, what is his secret? Sauce?
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If I never met him? And I said, Jed, what's
this mystery? Coach? Jim Harbaugh? Like, what would you answer?
Speaker 8 (21:46):
His genuine love for football rubs off on everybody in
the room. And I saw your take on that of it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
There say, this kid for Washington is the real deal.
I can't wait to watch it. Jedi, You've given us
ten minutes. You know I'm a huge fan. Yeah, thanks, Colin.
I appreciate you having me all right. The Huskies Husky Stadium.
I mean, how lucky are we this weekend? I mean
you got two three of the biggest games of the weekend.
Oh that's crazy, Jay Matt, Can I interest you in
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a money line Husky?
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Bet?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
No?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
But I did I took the ten?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's long? Ah God, Yeah, it's going to be a Listen,
Julian Sand's a kid. Ohio State sending a kid.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They haven't played like a real road game with this
young quarterback, so you're right it could be a hostile
environment between that game. I like Bama, you were on Georgia, obviously,
Penn State, Oregon. There's just a lot of action this weekend.
Probably can't go out drinking Friday? Can you a big guy?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know what I've You know, I get home and
do homework. I do analytic break.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Now crunching that Illinois depth chart with all those injuries. Liner,
you know he's on my basketball team, was telling me, hey,
Illinois really banged up.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They are.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
It's like, oh boy, Coward's gonna feast when USC.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Maybe you open with the Trojans Monday. If the if
US he puts one on Illinois.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You framed me as some sort of homer. Oh honesty,
broker day one to the very.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
End, you know, I think, I see can you show
me what T shirt you're wearing under that?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
It looks like the maroon from USC. Can I see
that as peaking out?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
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Speaker 1 (24:26):
That's Covino and Rich. Is how a team can be
so bad in the first half and then get thirteen
minutes and then come back in the second half and
they're a completely different team, dominating the excellent team that
had a three touchdown lead on them. You got thirteen minutes.
What can you do? You're not breaking down film and
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Greg Cosel earlier on the A. J. Brown emergence in
that game in the second half.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
I've had coaches tell me that the most important player
on the Eagles offense is AJ Brown because the reality is,
if you want to really buck up and stop the run,
you can do that with bodies. What they do really
well and have for a number of years is throw
outside the numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of
Jalen Hurts as a thrower. Brown is a really tough
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cover outside the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It was interesting listening to Jed Fish talk about Listen,
they're going to build this team through the trenches and
offense and defensive line and then have some explosive players
on the perimeter. But the other thing that Greg Hosel
talked about with Philadelphia is they throw up the sidelines
very well. So whereas Jalen Hurts may struggle to see
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down the middle of the field at times, up the
sidelines not an issue and AJ Brown is virtually uncoverable.
The other thing he talked about, well, both j McK
and I feel like Bears. It's a tough spot against
the Raiders on the road. There's a lot of young Bears.
The coach, the quarterback, one of their tackles, Roma Dunn
tight Ends. They're young. Now they go on the road
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for a team that's pretty desperate. Week four the Raiders.
Here's what co Sell saw and has seen through three
weeks with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Caleb Williams is getting a better understanding and figuring out
how to run this offense because think back to Detroit
with Jared Goff. Jared Goff under Ben Johnson was probably
the best between the numbers thrower at the intermediate level
in football because that's the way Ben Johnson structures many
of his route concepts. Williams is seeing it the right
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way for those difficult window throws between the numbers. That's
the best way to look at his development in progress
under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So which way does the momentum go? You know, people say, Colin,
you talk a lot about the Bears. Jmax said before
last year he thought the Bears were the most interesting
team going into the season. Now by week six they
were a mess. I think they're a much better offensive team,
and a lot of that's Ben Jonson, and I think
you're seeing coaching and the separation of it with a
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lot of these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Stroud, defensive coach, doesn't have quite the sensibility or touch.
He has regressed. I think Caleb Williams looks better today
than he did a month ago. So we'll see. All
I know is that by the end of this weekend
there will not be a ton of surprises. I put
out the Super Bowl bubble a couple of hours ago,
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and I did not have Kansas City in it. I
don't think there's a lot of surprises. I think in
an offensive league, you've got to occasionally get cheap touchdowns,
and I don't think the Chiefs are good enough on
the perimeter or in the backfield, and Travis Kelcey's probably
in his last year, So I think to win a
Super Bowl you've got to have the kind of either
quarterback athletic ability. You've got to have cheap touchdowns. And
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the teams I had in my Super Bowl bubble, including Seattle,
because I do think a jsns a number one receiver.
He's emerged as that, and I think Sam Darnell is
a highly athletic player. So I think that's the problem
with Kansas City and Baltimore. Both are flawed, But between
Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers, those are really
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explosive players you need. You can't win a Super Bowl
on thirteen play drives. You gotta score quickly, either you're
behind or you get into a track meet. And I
think that's Kansas City's dubious concern is Kelsey's in his
last year. They don't have a number one
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
I mean, I've said this now for some time, as
I think you can fool people in the first week
or like, for instance, your legit Detroit Lions have an
all new staff. They look terrible in the first week.
The Jets defense first week defense look terrible. With Aaron Glenn,
you have new staffs, nobody plays starters in the preseason.
Week one now feels like an extension of the preseason.
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In weeks two and three, you're just trying to kind
of figure your way out. But I think as you
get to week three, four and five, it's harder to
fool people. You become what you are. So Aaron Rodgers,
for instance, if you go to week one against the Jets,
it was unbelievable, but Hamlin had been there for a while,
a lot of their personnel had been there. Aaron and
DK Metcalf were the new guys and the Jets had
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an entirely new coaching staff and Aaron Rodgers in Week
one against the Jets was unbelievable. Four touchdowns, no picks.
He completed seventy three percent of his throws. His passer
rating was one thirty seven. Since then, now people have
film Rogers against Seattle in New England. Seattle's really good defense,
New England really good coaching staff. He struggled sixty percent
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completion rate, passer rating in the low thirties, and PFF
has him as the second worst graded quarterback. And now
veteran quarterbacks tend to like structure and habits. Now you're
sending the old guy overseas, and what do you know?
The Vikings with Brian Flores, top six defense, top three
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in pressures, top three in takeaways, number four, number four
in pressures, take it away, number three pass defense. So
this is a prime example where I think Minnesota's got
the best overall roster compared to these two. I think
their coaching staff is better. I think they'll travel well.
I think Carson Wentz, you don't have a ton of
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film if you're the Steelers. How many times have you
played him. There's a lot of stuff. I think the
Vikings right now are an underrated team. They gave Caleb
Williams fits. Vikings are undefeated in international games. I think
the Steelers cannot figure out their offensive line in run
game for seven years. So I really like Minnesota in
this game. And that's how we've come to the conclusion
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on that. Jed Fisher on the corner. First. Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
No, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Let's start with the Baltimore Ravens Kansas City Chiefs. Huge, huge,
enormous games Sunday afternoon. Ravens one and two. So are
the Chiefs. These teams have had their battles. Usually Casey
comes out on top. Lamar Jackson knows the team needs
to get it together and fast.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
We just got to lock in on what's it here
right now? You know the game better than practice, watch film,
one of those guys, watch our salescouty ourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Just get after it.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Come Sunday. Last three games, even with the win versus Cleveland,
we was we started off slow. You know, we just
got to play high. We played ball, you know, play football,
play for even football.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, I mean is it personnel? You know, we talked
Greg Cosel hour ago said Roe Kwan Smith, a great player,
did not play a particularly well. They were missing two starters,
and I will argue that Detroit was a bad matchup
when you're missing two of your guys up front. Van
Ney Detroit's offensive lines road grading it was. I thought
it was a bad matchup. I didn't think it would
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look like that. But I do think the defense will
give a very spirited effort. And also they go from
facing the lions and armor on Saint Brown to a
battle line with no run games. So I think Kansas
City Baltimore, I take the points. I think it's low scoring.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, when were at the draft, they went and got
Malachi Starks, the kid out of Vanta, Georgia.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, and I'm like, wait, why are you doing that?
You already have Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
And then we're like, oh, well the Ravens are smart,
they must be ahead of the curve. Well, they don't
really have a front at all. Did you see Montgomery
just running wild on them like he went crazy? Josh
Allen and James Cook like, I almost wonder if they kind.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Of bricked it. Now it is early it's only been
three games.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
However, the stat you need to know colin thirteen percent
of one in three teams make the playoffs, just thirteen.
And the last team to win this to make the
super Bowl that started one in three two thousand and
one Patriots. So I don't want to say you crossed
the loser off here from making the super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But it's a bit of an uphill climb. Yeah, there's
a bit of a rubicon here. I mean, you get
you do get to a point where I don't think
I didn't you know, in the Super Bowl bubble, you
didn't mention this. I didn't put Kansas City in it
or near it. Yeah, I just I think it's an
offensive league. I think you have to be able to
score points. I mean, we haven't seen Rashid Rice is talented,
but because of his off field stuff banged up, we
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don't know what you're getting when he gets back. So
I think Baltimore is the kind of team that can
win multiple playoff games because they'll be super explosive. And
I don't think the AFC this year, I don't think
it's as good as it's been in previous years. I mean,
Houston was a rising team. They're not anymore. Jacksonville doesn't
look to be any good by the way, Miami, they're
not dangerous anymore. New England in a rebuild mode. So
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I am Cincinnati Joe Burrows hurt. So I do think
they can win playoff games, but I don't think you
can be a super Bowl team and get pushed around,
and I think Baltimore will be.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I'll offer an olive branch to Chiefs fans.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Their two losses are to undefeated Chargers and undefeated Eagles,
So maybe, hey, they're not a superstar top five team,
but they're probably not like the seventeenth best team in
the league either.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Right Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (05:52):
All right, let's move on Colin. Next story is the
Bears and Raiders this weekend. Remember at the draft, Ashton
genty was really linked to Chicago, but.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
The Raiders grabbed him sixth.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
So the Bears head to Vegas Sunday to take on
Ashton gent And here's Ben Johnson talking about the young
stud running back.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
He's a phenomenal player. I thought the world of him.
You know, he's a hard guy to bring down, compact
yet powerful. You know, you you better have low pad
level when you're looking to tackle this guy or else
he's going to lower his shoulder and run you over.
He's got that mentality. He brought it with him from college.
You see it through the first three games of the
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season so far, where he's fearless, he sees a little
bit of air, he steps on the gas, and he
plays violently. So he's a guy that we're certainly aware
of and we got to do with the best that
we can to bottle him up.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, if I was Chicago, this is a scary game.
You play out of your mind against a very soft team.
Now you go on the road the Raiders. You know
you've got an excellent veteran coaching staff Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly,
And I'll say this about Ashton genty. There's a stat
out there you're hard to wrap your brains around of
his like one hundred forty four rushing yard or something.
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One hundred forty four are after contact. So the reality
is there, the offensive line is not getting a push
and so he's having to do it all on his own.
That's kind of what I read into that staff.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
He's getting buried in the backseiel fifty seven percent of
the time he's getting hit at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
Now some of that has to.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Do with brock Bowers being dinged up. I'm just gonna again,
maybe this is just a gambler and me talking. So
last week we loved the Cowboys Bears over it didn't
hit Colin. I'm just curious, Ceedee Lamb gets hurt first quarter,
knocked out early.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
What if he doesn't get knocked out of that game.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I think Dallas moves up and down the field, and
maybe that's a closer game. Maybe the Bears don't win.
I think the Raiders are the site. I don't know
about you. Again, Ceedee Lamb. You saw that they have
a single point of failure. If Lamb's down, they got
nothing pickets A eight to one running games on existent
offensive line.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Is I I will say, I have I feel strongly
about four games this week, and so tonight's the night
I dig into all the numbers and really get into it.
I already know for I'm looking for a fifth, but
I'm I'm with you. I think the Raiders are the side.
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I mean again, we're talking about Chicago's got a lot
of young players on that offense. Loveland Burden it's Caleb Williams.
They're they're one of their tackles. There roma Dunze like
a new off, young head coach. Like these road games
in the NFL are a different ball. We saw what
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happened in Detroit. They were overwhelmed. They just unraveled. Allegiant
is loud. You have a veteran coaching staff. Gino has
been around the league for a Gino, when there is
an intense pressure on it can let it rip. He
can spin it. So I don't like this spot for
the Bears.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I'm with you. Final story, Colin is Seahawks Cardinals tonight.
I teased it early in the show. I got some
Kyler stuff for you. I'll give it to you after
this SoundBite. But Kyler Murray talked about the Cardinals offense
without James Connor. They got to get on the same page.
Just a big game for Arizona. Here's Kyler.
Speaker 7 (09:21):
We got to be more consistent. We got to make
the plays when they're there. It's really simple, as simple
as that. You know, it's really not a complicated game.
You gotta make plays. I'm trying to build confidence each
and every day and continue to give my guys opportunities
when they're when they're there, I'm gonna continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
You know.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Obviously Drew mixed the calls and then we got to
go out there and nexte cute. But when whenever, the
opportunity presents, so for the chances are there, I'm definitely
gonna give my guys opportunities.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm gonna tell you, they had that San Francisco game,
they got a safety, they led, they had the ball
at midfield, they picked up a first down. You looked
up and the Niners were hitting a game winning field goalf.
That was one of those you'll look back on your
schedule and you'll be like, how did we lose that game?
Gained him, they out rushed him, Arizona gave that puppy ooy.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, and Marvin Harrison with the drop so Kyler in
two games against Seattle last year, five carries for twenty
five yards.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
In two games Colin he.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Had two of his worst games of the season against them,
at a brutal pick six, Arizona one for five in
the red zone. I'm just gonna remind people, and you
know this, McDonald is a really sharp guy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
He is a great defensive coordinator, he's a hardball.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Guy who's with John Harbaugh and Baltimore, Jim Harbaugh at
Michigan and Drew Petzig. You know, Arizona Cardinal fans a
little worried about this guy. Witherspoon is back for Seattle tonight.
He's the chess piece who gets after Kyler.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Seahawks win Handley.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
All right, Bunny J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd line.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You know Jet Fish for a long time, he turned
around an Arizona program that was absolutely lost. Very good personnel.
I they put a lot of guys in the league
and now he's got the Huskies. They're undefeated. They faced
number one oh High Io State at Husky Stadium, a
place I've been a few times, and Jed Fish is
joining us live. It is going to be loud in Seattle.
Good to see it.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Jed.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
First of all, it is you've been doing this a
long time, Belichick, Pete Carroll, you've been McVeigh college, you've
been pro in college. This is one of those games
and you probably had a lot of them in Arizona.
You don't you eventually you won't have many at Washington.
But this may be one of the games that you
look at the personnel on film and go, Okay, they
got a lot of NFL bodies. So you go in
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as a home underdog when you go into a game
and you look at that film and you're like, man,
they got some they got some dudes here. How do
you convince your team very early in that game we're
the better team. Play with confidence, because Ohio State can
shrink a lot of confidence in this sport.
Speaker 8 (11:50):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think our team's thinking
like that. I think our team's excited about this opportunity.
We're playing really good football right now. We've played really
good on offense, we're playing good on defense, we're taking
the ball away, we're scoring points. Our guys are fired up.
We got a lot of NFL players on our roster
right now, and we're going to go attack and we're
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going to go be aggressive, and we know we got
a tough challenge in front of us, but we're just
excited about that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A lot of people haven't seen Demon Williams your quarterback play.
I got a text yesterday from an NFL former NFL
quarterback and he's like, this kid can spin it. He goes.
Don't you think he'll be the second best quarterback in
the field. He's like, this kid is a rising star.
If our audience has never seen your quarterback play, tell
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us about it.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Yeah, I mean, he's a leade in a lot of
different capacities. He's only nineteen years old. We played him
last year in every game about ten plays, played about
ten plays when we beat Michigan, about ten plays against
sc UCLA, and then played the second half of the
game against Penn State Oregon, and then started against Oregon.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
And the bowl game.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He's got unbelievable skills.
Speaker 8 (13:03):
He can throw the ball as well as anybody I've
ever been around in college football, and he could run
the ball better than any guy I've been around in
Pro war college football. He is fast, he's electric, but
he's an incredible decision maker. He's you know, I think
we've gotten I don't know, maybe in his career sixteen touchdowns,
one interception. He just takes care of the ball. He
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protects the ball. He understands the ball is our program.
And he's an elite leader for only being a sophomore.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
So you're going to face Jeremiah Smith, who I said
last year probably the best freshman I have ever seen
in college football. He looked like an NFL player. You know,
there's two ways to go about it, all right, Brackett
and take it out. We're just going to commit to
that side. But again, you're confident. Washington's always had good corners.
It seems like forever you've had good corners, you know
that you've coached against them, you've coached them. When you
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face a guy that is that special, is there a
plan of attack or I mean, do you have to
spend all afternoon on it? But he's an unstoppable force
in you know, in individual coverage.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Yeah, there's no question. I mean, he's elite, e lait,
e lead elite. Right.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
We had a guy like that at.
Speaker 8 (14:12):
T MAC when we were at Arizona's what the eighth
overall pick. I think we have a guy like that
in Denzel Boston currently on our team, where you know,
you one guy doesn't really defend those guys. It takes two,
and it takes a mix up coverages, it takes all
different plans. We've got really good corners. We got two
six foot four corners and you know they're they're pretty
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special players, NFL talents, but uh, this guy's elite and
we're gonna have to mix it up. We can't just
do one thing on defense, uh, or they'll be you know,
there'll be no chance to be able to take this
guy away. We got to do multiple different things, multiple
different looks, uh, and always have him in our sights.
But the other the guy they got on the other side,
Tate is is pretty good also, So we got a
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lot of work to do to be able to defend
this team.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I said, I felt both you and Oregon would do
very well in the Big Ten. You're playing you know,
sometimes windy, wet weather. I wouldn't worry about the palm trees,
I said, Washington and Oregon they're gonna do just fine.
They're gonna hold you know, they're gonna play home games,
and those Big ten teams are going to come out
West and find out how loud it is. Do you
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recruit though, whether it's portal or high school. You know
you're down in Arizona, recruit in Texas heavy? Do you
recruit differently knowing you have a Big ten schedule.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
Well, we're able to be a little more national recruiting wise,
because of the fact that we could sell that.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
We're going to be playing on the East.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Coast, we're gonna be playing in the West Coast, we're
gonna be playing in the Midwest. Well, you know, there's
so many different areas that we'll be able to attack
that people can watch them on TV or come to
a game. We had three East Coast games last year.
We had three this year, so it's pretty cool in
that guard. Unfortunately, you know, we don't know the game
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times all the way too early, so we can't tell
them exactly what it's going to look like to try
to get them there. But we do feel like we
can nationally recruit. We were in the National Championship Game
two years ago, so people know who Washington is. They
played Michigan on the big stage. We got to find
a way to get back there to continue to re
emphasize the type of program that we are.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
You had to replace this is insane. Eleven offensive starters.
There's no way in your career you've ever had to
do that. When you now good, good thing, you got
the portal that helps a lot, But when you replace
eleven starters, did you look at it and go Okay,
we got to be ramped up here. Ohio State's coming
to our place. Was it a slow process or did
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you think to yourself, Hey, I'm just gonna dump the
playbook on them. You guys are nineteen twenty twenty one,
figured out how have you grown with the eleven new
offensive starters?
Speaker 8 (16:59):
Yeah, luckily they were They came in the spring and
we were able. We're starting in this game two freshman
wide receivers and a freshman guard and a nineteen year
old quarterback. And we're young. We're young in a lot
of areas, and we just felt like we needed to
be able to fast forward the learning curve. And fortunately
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I worked for Jim Harball for a couple of years.
When we got to Michigan together, and you know, at
training camp, there's no need to not meet and there's
no need to not practice. And we met a lot
and we practiced a lot, and we made football the
most important thing. And when you have that hardball mentality
a little bit, you just you realize like you could
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just find ways, find ways to teach them football and
just infuse football into their blood.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
When we first met, I told you I grew up
as a Husky fan and had been in the Husky Stadium,
and I remember exactly what you said. You're like, man,
that is a get a job and stay there forever job.
You had said, like that place is crazy. Has it fulfilled?
Husky Stadium afternoon? Is it as special as you thought
it would be?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (18:06):
You know when when when we first met, I think
I was h and two or owing three against you
dub on the road up at Husky Stadium, and the
place was just uniquely you know, just a unique spot
of just noise and the stadiums so beautiful and we're
six to oh it. Well, now we're eight and oh
at home since uh, since I've been here, and it's
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been pretty cool. The environment, the way it feels, the
way it looks, you know the fact that families can
take boats over to the games, and it's so loud,
and it's going to be rocking, uh tomorrow on Saturday,
and it's gonna be noon or twelve thirty kickoff all
purple and h I just told our fans and our
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student section, man, let's just let's make this thing elite.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, it will be. You know, you were a college
roommate of Howie Roseman. Everybody knows that. And listen, I
know how he's picked your brain. But my guess is
you call him and pick his brain. What and I
think he's the best gam in football? What is how
he taught you that you could tell our audience publicly
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about personnel and how he views athletes, because I guarantee
you he's picked your brain more than once.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
Oh yeah, I mean we have a great, obviously give
and take relationship, and I'm constantly trying to understand, you know,
how to how to make the most of this new
era where we're you know, where we're playing with a
with a cap, how to you know, spend your resources.
I've talked to him numerous times about what type of
investment you make in the trenches versus the perimeter, what
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type of investment you make when you re sign your
quarterback and what does that mean?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Hiring staff?
Speaker 8 (19:52):
He's an amazing you know, you look at the guys
he's hired. You know, he's been to the Super Bowl
with Doug Peterson, He's been to the Super Bowl with
Sirian He's won super Bowls to both those guys, been
to the Super Bowl with Andy Reid, hired Schip Kelly.
You know, He's just hired great coaches, hired assistant coaches.
Vic Fangio's his defensive coordinator just constantly is in that
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process of finding coaches and finding players. So we talk
about where do you want to invest your team? And
if you look at their d line, what they've you know,
what they've decided on is they're going to win in
the trenches and they're going to find a quarterback that
can both run and throw. And if you look at
what we're trying to do, we're trying to win in
the trenches and we're trying to find that quarterback that
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can both run and throw and has extreme leadership. And
I think we're trying to replicate that model that he
has with the running back Jonah Coleman for us, say
quant for him, with the receivers aj for him, and
then obviously Denzel for us, and then with that offensive
line of defensive line.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah. Well, every time the Huskies have the right coach,
go back to Don James, Rick Heisel got to a
Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson got to the playoff, and Kaylin
de Boorr got in there. I've always said when Washington
gets the right coach, they're very good and they get
it rolling, and now you have a national conference in
the Big ten. I got to ask you one question,
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two quick ones. One you've been under McVeigh, Belichick, Pete
and Harball. I said this. I got pushback. I said,
is hardball count Collagen? Pro? Is he the best football
coach ever? He's taking? He's taking five messes? They're good.
Instantly he leaves in there, No good again? What is
I ask everybody this that knows him, what is his secret? Sauce?
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If I never met him? And I said, Jed, what's
this mystery? Coach? Jim Harbaugh? Like, what would you answer?
Speaker 8 (21:46):
His genuine love for football rubs off on everybody in
the room. And I saw your take on that of it.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
There say, this kid for Washington is the real deal.
I can't wait to watch it. Jedi, You've given us
ten minutes. You know I'm a huge fan. Yeah, thanks, Colin.
I appreciate you having me all right. The Huskies Husky Stadium.
I mean, how lucky are we this weekend? I mean
you got two three of the biggest games of the weekend.
Oh that's crazy, Jay Matt, Can I interest you in
(22:15):
a money line Husky?
Speaker 7 (22:16):
Bet?
Speaker 8 (22:17):
No?
Speaker 5 (22:18):
But I did I took the ten?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That's long? Ah God, Yeah, it's going to be a Listen,
Julian Sand's a kid. Ohio State sending a kid.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They haven't played like a real road game with this
young quarterback, so you're right it could be a hostile
environment between that game. I like Bama, you were on Georgia, obviously,
Penn State, Oregon. There's just a lot of action this weekend.
Probably can't go out drinking Friday? Can you a big guy?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
You know what I've You know, I get home and
do homework. I do analytic break.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Now crunching that Illinois depth chart with all those injuries. Liner,
you know he's on my basketball team, was telling me, hey,
Illinois really banged up.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
They are.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
It's like, oh boy, Coward's gonna feast when USC.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Maybe you open with the Trojans Monday. If the if
US he puts one on Illinois.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You framed me as some sort of homer. Oh honesty,
broker day one to the very.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
End, you know, I think, I see can you show
me what T shirt you're wearing under that?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
It looks like the maroon from USC. Can I see
that as peaking out?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
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Speaker 1 (24:26):
That's Covino and Rich. Is how a team can be
so bad in the first half and then get thirteen
minutes and then come back in the second half and
they're a completely different team, dominating the excellent team that
had a three touchdown lead on them. You got thirteen minutes.
What can you do? You're not breaking down film and
(24:46):
Greg Cosel earlier on the A. J. Brown emergence in
that game in the second half.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
I've had coaches tell me that the most important player
on the Eagles offense is AJ Brown because the reality is,
if you want to really buck up and stop the run,
you can do that with bodies. What they do really
well and have for a number of years is throw
outside the numbers to AJ Brown. That's the strength of
Jalen Hurts as a thrower. Brown is a really tough
(25:16):
cover outside the numbers. He's so strong, he's so physical.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It was interesting listening to Jed Fish talk about Listen,
they're going to build this team through the trenches and
offense and defensive line and then have some explosive players
on the perimeter. But the other thing that Greg Hosel
talked about with Philadelphia is they throw up the sidelines
very well. So whereas Jalen Hurts may struggle to see
(25:41):
down the middle of the field at times, up the
sidelines not an issue and AJ Brown is virtually uncoverable.
The other thing he talked about, well, both j McK
and I feel like Bears. It's a tough spot against
the Raiders on the road. There's a lot of young Bears.
The coach, the quarterback, one of their tackles, Roma Dunn
tight Ends. They're young. Now they go on the road
(26:03):
for a team that's pretty desperate. Week four the Raiders.
Here's what co Sell saw and has seen through three
weeks with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 10 (26:13):
Caleb Williams is getting a better understanding and figuring out
how to run this offense because think back to Detroit
with Jared Goff. Jared Goff under Ben Johnson was probably
the best between the numbers thrower at the intermediate level
in football because that's the way Ben Johnson structures many
of his route concepts. Williams is seeing it the right
(26:35):
way for those difficult window throws between the numbers. That's
the best way to look at his development in progress
under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So which way does the momentum go? You know, people say, Colin,
you talk a lot about the Bears. Jmax said before
last year he thought the Bears were the most interesting
team going into the season. Now by week six they
were a mess. I think they're a much better offensive team,
and a lot of that's Ben Jonson, and I think
you're seeing coaching and the separation of it with a
(27:04):
lot of these young quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
C J.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Stroud, defensive coach, doesn't have quite the sensibility or touch.
He has regressed. I think Caleb Williams looks better today
than he did a month ago. So we'll see. All
I know is that by the end of this weekend
there will not be a ton of surprises. I put
out the Super Bowl bubble a couple of hours ago,
(27:26):
and I did not have Kansas City in it. I
don't think there's a lot of surprises. I think in
an offensive league, you've got to occasionally get cheap touchdowns,
and I don't think the Chiefs are good enough on
the perimeter or in the backfield, and Travis Kelcey's probably
in his last year, So I think to win a
Super Bowl you've got to have the kind of either
quarterback athletic ability. You've got to have cheap touchdowns. And
(27:50):
the teams I had in my Super Bowl bubble, including Seattle,
because I do think a jsns a number one receiver.
He's emerged as that, and I think Sam Darnell is
a highly athletic player. So I think that's the problem
with Kansas City and Baltimore. Both are flawed, But between
Derrick Henry, Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers, those are really
(28:15):
explosive players you need. You can't win a Super Bowl
on thirteen play drives. You gotta score quickly, either you're
behind or you get into a track meet. And I
think that's Kansas City's dubious concern is Kelsey's in his
last year. They don't have a number one
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